You people....Native americans did not speak Islam or anyother world language except their own. There are any different civilizations of Native Americans with very different languages, cultures and looks. Your people need to stop with your crazy threroys of my people and stick with your own.
@oklahomaisok Wow, one word is similar? That totally proves it! Given all of the different Native American languages, it would be a statistically anomaly if there were NO similar words at all.
To all stupid Americans and Muslim Haters: A Chinese Muslim (Admiral Zheng He) arrived to American continent 100 years before Columbus, with his 30 000 man crue, he traded with the Native Americans and they exchanged Knowledge and culture, most of the Native Indians converted to Islam... 100 years later, Blood thirsty Christian European arrived and....
@SultanOfSwords There is no proof whatsoever that Zheng He journeyed to America. It's a fanciful muslim invention, just like many other things including the quran itself. It's also dubious that he was even muslim.
But let's just say you're right. He obviously would have landed on the Pacific Coast somewhere, right? And the moron in this video claims that Columbus encountered Natives in the CARIBBEAN who spoke Arabic. Pretty vast geographical distance for a language to spread so quickly. FAIL.
@SultanOfSwords Also, you say that he took a crew of 30,000 with him?? Do you have any idea how many ships that would take?? Granted, the Chinese are responsible for the vast exaggeration of the size and number of his ships, which blatantly defy the laws of engineering.
Such a huge force reaching the Americas would not be dubious, but would be prominent in history with evidence all over the Pacific Coast.
Some Native Americans were Muslims. I am not sure about speaking arabic, but some were Muslims. I have Black Foot Native American in me, from my great grandmother.
My question to this cleric is, what tribe? Apache, Camanche, Iriquois, Navaho, Blackfoot, Sue. If I misspelled any tribal names I appologize, and why is it that actual Native Language is so very different from arabic?
Columbus discovered the 'New World' or the Americas in 1492, the same year that Islamic rule came to an end in Spain. So, bringing the Arabic language isn't far fetched at all.
So what does this mean? That Arabic speaking people visited America, taught the natives Arabic and left? Couldn't it just as easily mean that One or more Natives traveled over seas and learned Arabic there? This seems to just be agenda based falsehoods. At best this means that Arabic speaking people visited America and did not realize how valuable a place it was, and left.. Sucks to be you!
You say that you have undisputed evidence that Native Americans spoke Arabic at home. How convenient that you would happen to forget to bring it with you the day you were invited onto this program. Silly Muslim, tricks are for kids.
Its actually has truth to it. There is lots of evidence that muslims were not only in America at the time, but had settled for a long time before then. There are texts in Kufic arabic script. There were over 1200 different native tribes of different cultures. Look it up. Oh yea, then came the "americans" who had NO intention of living WITH the indians, only to occupy, displace, then wipe them out in a mass genocide, from 60 million to a population of few hundred thousand. Same old same old.
@daneshjoo2011 Are you trolling, using taqiyya, or just high?
There is certainly not "lots of evidence" unless you believe muslim "scholars" like the mentally challenged propagandist in this video. There is a weak theory that is not supported by mainstream historians, and nothing more.
And where do you get your numbers from? There are more indigenous people alive today in North & South America than there were when Columbus arrived.
You appear to think that I'm American. Why? Because I'm defending people from the American continents?
Anyone can "say" they have evidence, but it doesn't mean a thing unless he can actually produce it. I can claim that I have "evidence at home" that the earth's core is filled with ranch dressing. Would you believe me just because I said it? Sorry, I have every right to say whatever I want. Do you know why? Because I live in a free country, not a shithole islamic country.
I said that the theory itself is weak, and is NOT supported by mainstream historians. I didn't "admit" anything was "weakened by mainstream historicans." Work on your reading comprehension skills.
Americans are stupid? Who made the computer, website, and internet that you are currently using? Who leads the world in inventions, scientific discoveries, and medical breakthroughs?
Why do muslims account for 20% of the world population, but less than 1% of patents and scientific papers?
Americans have "no right" to rule a land that was inhabited by warring tribes? Fine. Then muslims need to GET OUT of North Africa, Mesopotamia, Jordan Rift Valley, Persia, and basically everywhere, even Mecca. They have NO RIGHT to rule there!
Native Americans are treated as equals, and sometimes have even more rights on their reservations. But non-muslims are treated as inferior in muslim countries, so what makes muslims think they can criticize treatment of Native Americans?
@ISLAMizCANCER U are missinformed islam never, treated any othe cultures badly infact jews and christians lived together as brothers with the muslims untill israel came, i promis u if it was muslims who enterd north america fisrt, they would slaughter all natives like europeans did... dont forget they are tryin to make islam look bad now, because its a good way of living life. just like they also tried to make Natives to look like saavages with hollywood's movies.. Read History please.
@ashiinsane90 LOL!!! How stupid do you think I am? Let me ask you, is there anything that muslims DON'T blame on Israel and/or America?
Muslims erroneously believe themselves to be superior, and all throughout history they forced Christians and Jews to live under dhimmitude, and treated polytheists even worse.
Today, non-muslims are persecuated in all muslim countries. You Egyptians burn down Christian homes and churches. Same with Pakistan and Iran. But that must be Israel's fault, right??
@ashiinsane90 "if it was muslims who enterd north america fisrt, they would slaughter all natives like europeans did"
You're saying that muslims WOULD slaughter all natives? I believe you! That's the one truthful thing you said, even though you probably meant to lie and say "would not". Also, if Europeans "slaughtered all natives" then why are there millions of natives alive today? You're clearly not very intelligent, but that's not your fault; it's only because you were raised muslim.
@ashiinsane90 "dont forget they are tryin to make islam look bad now, because its a good way of living life"
LOL!!! Everywhere in the world where Islam is in the majority it has brought backwardness, bigotry, oppression, destruction and tremendous suffering.
Islam teaches hate, it orders the killing or subjugation of non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates human rights. I piss into the dead, empty skull of your pedophile prophet and wipe my ass on pages ripped out of the quran.
@ashiinsane90 Wow, good counterpoint! You know as well as I do that I'm being truthful, and yet you continue to lie about it. Not surprising, really.
As for after I die, I'll be happy just as long as I go to the opposite place as your hate-mongering slave-trading child-raping mass-murdering psychopathic warlord "prophet."
@ISLAMizCANCER lol dude you are ignorant america commited genocyde against those people!!!I am from norh Africa my ancestors might be not arabs but i m proud of our history and i m pround of being part of the arab world!!You can be pround of being american too but honestly when it comes to native americans you should really keep it low
Why don't Americans learn from 10,000 year old cultures? They study Native American archaeology, lore, and history extensively! They take many positive lessons from the Natives! What more do you want? Should they live in tents with no electricity, running water, soap, or wheels?
Islam destroyed other cultures while it spread like the plague that it is. It has zero respect for other cultures. Saudi Arabia prohibits archaeology, lest people learn of the pagan origins of islam!
@ISLAMizCANCER another thing to say who told you that saudi arabia is islamic country? ummmm lets see its called saudia arabia its Arabic there Islam spread to the world but they dont use Islam in their laws no more they just use some of the laws only if true Islamic country existed it wont enforce interest in banks it wont let people hit you becuse its prayer time it wont let people kill people for no reason it wont let people lie on tv it wont destroy the Islamic history it wont and it wont..
@daneshjoo2011 Undoubtedly there was some cruel treatment at the hands of Europeans of natives in both continents (you appear to be impying it was only in the US), but there was no organized genocide. Most often, conflict was initiated by the natives, which was nearly always the case when the US Government was involved.
There's no such thing as a "mass genocide" either. Genocide is genocide.
Sadly, human history is bloody. Every culture is guilty, but you're cherry picking.
it's called "Taqaiyya" which institutionalizes lying and cheating to subjectively advance Islam. Muslims
call their religion the only noble religion of truth, yet it allows lying. REAL RELIGION OF TRUTH!!!!
No Muslim has been able to offer a reasonable justification why their religion of truth needs Muslims to lie for God? How can you trust anything the Koran or Muslims say if they allow lying? Its all a lie!
I am Native American and Muslim.Brothers, the history books have never done justice to our grandfathers. Islam/Muslims have a rich and peaceful history in this land, unlike the European invaders. that in itself tells you why you didnt get taught this in school.
it is possible ,so what? the arabs use to travel all over to do trading , the only difference is they didnt want to take over america! realy its not that far fetch
@fahd08 If I may quote the great Arab invader and conqueror of the Maghreb, northwest Africa, Uqba ibn Nafi, "Ya Rab, if the sea did not stop me, I would go through the lands like Alexander the Great, defending your faith and fighting the unbelievers." - in appears the Atlantic is the only thing that kept Arab rule and Arabic out of America, fahd08. Cited from "The Great Arab Conquests" by Hugh Kennedy, pg. 214. 2007.
If you watch or listen to Christian TV/radio, you find a lot of pseudo-science and pseudo-history, etc. This is pretty common. Sort of like folks who say, Jews love gems and diamonds - proof? "JEWelry" - where do you think that word came from? That's a false etymology, and it's a common mistake.
@2left4obama ....I'm sorry, which Christian TV station said that? What does that have to do with this? Are you complaining about another TV show on this clip?.. -_-
@Islam4way ...You read a book about it? What book? What documentation was available from the life of Columbus and his contemporaries that said the Natives spoke Arabic and that they required Arab interpreters? Which document said that Arab interpreters were even taken to the new world?
Gee I must have missed this little fact when I was studying American History while in College.. Sitting Bull at the Little Bighorn...Allah be praised! there's Yellowhair Custer.
Look at the rock that was discovered over 150 yrs ago in Ill, it has old writing on it. About 40 yrs after it was found, two Rabbi were going through looking at this particular artifact in this local museum, and said, "Hey this is Old Hebrew", if that is really true then, Jews and thier system came first to the Americas. Remember, in the koran it says to spread the faith by the Sword, maybe they're attempting to change history to change it by the pen. Lakota sounds nothing like arabic.
@ikeones I guess everybody loves America and wants to claim they discovered it first. People loved America so much that they stole it from your people.
I love it when he says "I have documentation and evidence of this at home". My question is didn't you know that you were coming on a TV show to discuss it and wouldn't it be appropriate to bring the evidence? LOL. It is like going to court without bringing the evidence.
@ikeones My Brother or Sister what the Brother Imam was saying is that the People Columbus meet spoke Arabic. what you have to also understand is that Columbus landed on modern day Haiti and the Dominican Republic and thus wiped out all the Indigenous peoples on the Island. so for all we know those people did in fact speak Arabic.
How were they supposed to have learned Arabic? and what are we supposed to presume from this? That they were born being able to speak arabic, they came from arabia, arabians visted them, thaught them the language and left? All of them are highly unlikely.
@Wordavee1 Wow you are ignorant of history or the western world has deprived you of your history!! Go n Research it Moor Arabs/blacks from Morocco came to America way before Columbus n he used their maps to do it research it yourself n find the truth!!!!!!!!!!
@moeazysgc Of course,the ignornats are the Westeners and the Arabs are the most enlightened people on this planet...all bcs they follow a pedo rapist murderer...I really respect and trust these people ;p
@ikeones hehehehehehe you are right!! This is so funny,the also talk about the same thing with Buddha who existed thousands of years before this other religion. Native American Spirituality is the best thing to go by!!!!!
Islamic lands i wouldn't say. Barry Fell did extensive research on Arabic words in Native languages. I wouldn't say i'm islamic. I recognize it being a part of my heritage. I don't want to get caught up into anyone's religion though. I recognize people using religion as an excuse to perpetrate watever their hidden agendas. There is also information of chinese muslims coming to the americas and documenting things. When i started researched i started seeing similarites in some clothings
@KRock2000 Islam is no more a part of your heritage then Christianity is a part of mine. Both are religious shackles imposed on us by foreign oppressors. You want to explore your roots? Tribal ways are our roots - even if you identify with your African heritage.
@KRock2000 Im aware of the "studies" that try to claim Native languages derive from Arabic - based on sound. The thing is European, Asian, and a ton of languages have sounds that sound similar to our words, the roots are different though which is why the meaning is too. They reference how many languages uses the sound allah, but then fail to mention that these sounds are often only part of a word and to my knowledge NEVER mean anything relating to "God"
@KRock2000 Muslims are experts at finding holes in written documents - its partially what their religion is based on. They claim to believe the validity of the Bible in every case accept where they contradict. Thats like bringing a witness with you, then calling him a liar. Both books contradict the hell out of each other and themselves and neither should be used the way they are. Read them - throw them - move on.
wiki black morrow... also google image the basalt mask canada. google images adena mound excavated pipe...go to google books and type willard p leutze red or black
Lastly all these handpicked tribal leaders have been put their by american government after conquering these lands and finally black chiefs. Now all of a sudden red man ended up in oklahoma from bogus treaties. black indians stayed put mostly in the south and suffered all kinds of hostilities from ex military racist regimes to take their lands from them. all lynching was done was to take away what they couldn't previously. another good trick was putting black indians in debt via fraud...
@KRock2000 Not all red chiefs were installed by white guys, especially in Canada. In Canada although elected chiefs are white puppets the Council Chiefs are hereditary and always have been. Some tribes have no elected \\Chiefs and outside interfernce was minimal, and guess what colour these tribes are? Red. 1502 was the year the first Slaves escaped into America.
This information about kufic /qara script in americas would be nothing new if book burnings never happened...these reported burning books of natives in one instant and claim natives never wrote in another.. These writings, words etc still exist in americas. miconapy the seminole is really micoNABI nabi meaning prophet, wise man NB=NoBle just like Lenni Lenape is leNabi same thing
Seriously though until you properly address how/and why DAN evidence suggest contrary to what you claim Im simply done refuting your circumstantial claims. They wouldnt work in a cout of law and they dont work in debates either - unless Muslim debates dont require proof. Why you wish to identify with the original people that conquered you, ie Muslims, is beyond me - stockholme syndrome perhaps?
Red man was used as a tool for seperation against black men. These red men were fighting against delaware moors aka the lenni lenape indians and sum of these red creek were used as a buffer against the black seminoles. These same red men were then placed chiefs over tribes given backdoor treaties and handouts..some not all red men. while the blacks that i've pointed out and referenced were given the hard shaft. The records r cool points out the true perspective of that time..history doesnot
@KRock2000 Redman is not what is seperating us - DNA is. That and your false history, which insults every Native man. Whites arent stopping us from uniting - people like you are. We were happy to adopt you people before, but now you think this is your land. Seems like a White washed mind set to me. Give you a little and you try to claim it all. Ive been refuting your points, but you have failed to address any of mine. Why? Cause you cant argue TRUTH.
. They took a black man named York who was the son of a Moroccan named Yusuf Ben Ali and a Native Woman amongst the Choctaw named Ayahmareeyah with them. They also took Sacajawea another native woman who is depicted on the millennial gold dollar with her son Jean Baptiste. John Sibley reported that,
“Choctaw – There are rambling hunting parties of them to be met with all over Louisiana. They are at war with the Caldougies and liked by neither the Red nor the White People. April 5th 1803
@KRock2000 Lewis and Clark existed 300 yrs after Spanish conquest. They were also exploring "Spanish" Territory, or territory that had already been exploited by the Spanish. 300 yrs is plenty of time for Runaway slaves to penetrate the interior.
@kirokyukan But what you fail to understand about lewis and clark expedition is that De Soto in the 1500's already mentioned black indians when he arrived before any slave trade every existed. DeSoto mentioned an indian as black as a philistine. And tuscaloosa the choctaw chief.loosa is lusa and means black moor, negro, black man. homa/hamra is red. How is the chief in the 1500's a black warrior. Same reason why most black people know of their choctaw heritage today. proof is in the puddin
@kirokyukan they are in isolation because they have ran away i'm sure once the bullshyt started long ago to continue their cultural practices. Just like the black people...today like the ramapo mountain people are in the mountains after fleeing persecution from europeans.. they are black know of their native heritage and insist they are not africans that came on slave ships. There is an isolated group of parrots in the east side of chicago in harold washington park by the lake also...
@KRock2000 The Ramapough Mountain Indians, although Native, are Black on account of Native adoption. They dont claim to be a Pre Columbian tribe, and are well aware of their roots. They were not in remote areas where no White man had been - they were in Jersey. The Natives that are in Isolation in South America are in remote area where no White man has been. Thats why they dont have Black people as members of their tribes.
@kirokyukan Ramapough Indians are Lenape and have always looked exactly the same way The Natives I shall consider in their Persons, Language, Manners, Religion and
Government, with my sence of their Original. For their Persons, they are generally
tall, streight, well-built, and of singular Proportion; they tread strong and clever, and
mostly walk with a lofty Chin: Of Complexion, Black, but by design, as the Gypsies in
@KRock2000 Ramapough Indians are not prue Lenape, nor do they claim to be. They are well aware of why they have Black skin, and know of their European, Iroquois and various other roots. Neither Islam or Christianity are Native to the Americas, and both groups should be expelled from the Americas - Black, White, Yellow or Red I have no problem accepting Blindians, or Windians, but they need to embrace Native culture or will forever be considered ousiders no matter what colour.
@kirokyukan racist lol. I'm not racist i'm only saying dark skinned aboriginal peoples in america have been reclassified as african americans., afrobrazilian etc i already said seminoles are a confederacy of different tribes yamasee's, creeks etc. negroes are in south pacific and indigenous there. india. phillipines, americas etc. Negroes are in places where europeans are is because they were already there and or interacting directly with europeans. crispus attucks fred douglas are indians
@KRock2000 Yes maybe some Black Indians did get the shaft in AMERICA, here in Canada we have the opposite "problem" of White Indians. Slavery didnt exist in Canada so the Blacks here had no reason to seek refuge with us, although I cant deny that no mixing with Blacks ever happened. Genalogy can be traced in all the examples I know of. Out West this problem doesnt even exist. Why? Cause western Canada was the last place explored. No Whites equals No Blacks.
les berbers en amerique jules cauvet taken tribal names of peoples in central south america and proven without a doub tthey are identical to people we call Berbers/Moors in africa. bororo is just one and i have many more. and their genotype of bloodtype is the same. All these black people in americas are only african slaves THEORETICALLY by political decree. I'm tellin you millions of africans were never taken from africa...but many of these blacks in america today are indigenous people
@KRock2000 You talk out two sides of your mouth. One minute you claim Balcks are indigenous, then you claim the ones that are "indigenous" to America were trained in Africa??? That makes no sense. Black Seminoles were trained by the Spanish in attepmt to stop Brithish expansion on N. America. It had nothing to do with Muslim influence. Tens of Millions of Africans werent taken from Africa, they were sold! Muslims call this the African Genocide and is weel documented in WORLD records.
@KRock2000 Why would Europeans try to rewrite history in a way that makes them appear in a less then favorable light? History as everybody tells it paints the Euros as a savage race. Why would they not attempt to make themselves appear good. Seems more likely that a few Muslims are attempting to rewrite history in attempt to bury their faults. They sold off there own people, a fact they are well aware of but attempot to excuse.
@kirokyukan who is hiding??? National issues no matter what the issue are plaguing all nations today. a muslim that is a terorist is no more or less a terrorist than a kkk christian member with a similar agenda. Some people mask their own cultural issues and personal feelings behind religious facades..which is common to many peoples around the world. Nobody is trying to rewrite history. Im referencing records which are things that are simply recorded. where as history is a story..
@KRock2000 Your referencing records you claim to be false. So lets not deal with records but lets stick to the DNA. Which debunks all your speculation.
@KRock2000 Your referencing records you claim to be false. So lets not deal with records but lets stick to the DNA. Which debunks all your speculation.
@kirokyukan I've said it before and i had to leave somehwere which is why i didn't finish it. My point is that the dna test is only telling people who they are related too. Once they decided they were going to use one group of people these mongoloid mixed peoples and classify their genetics as native americans where does that leaves the black natives. See the oldest remains and artifacts are of/from negroid peoples in the americas. where does that leave their descendants. left out basically
@kirokyukan like i said anthropologist dug up bones and named the female remains luzia and determined they were negroid and 10,000 years old by estimations...then the question has to be asked why wasn't negroid blood used as a test for indigneous blood after finding this out. Somebody is simply protecting and holding onto a lie and a falsehood that has been exposed time and time again. all these negros in america knowin of indian blood are called africans lol. consistant by all accounts
like i was saying after the help of the church and other bogus methods black indians could now be attacked by a system of banking and terrorism. No tribal authorities no more to preserve lands...resources were taken and now friendly banks were there to loan money so these indians could now afford to keep up their business. However once they fell behind these same blacks became servants on their own lands to pay off the interest and debt put on them fraudulently. this is black americas story
@KRock2000 I want to thank you for this debate as I learned alot of facts about Native AMERICANS that I was nargely unaware of. Yes Black Indians got the shaft compred to the light ones in America, but theis didnt happen, atleast not on the same scale in Canada. Like I said the problem coming to ahead here is "White" Indians and whether or not they should have the same rights. No Conspiracy about it - just racist indians. White Indians dont mean Europeans were here first though.
@KRock2000 Suggested they were Neroid or Negrito, or Australoid or Melanesians, or possibly someone who just had different features. They dont know. The fact everybody in the World is descended from Africa explains way any Negroid feature in everyboby, including the white guys with Big Lips, big Noses and Curly hair. Perhaps the DNA of Luzia should be used if that were possible, but to think that any Negroid would do is proof of your ignorance concerning DNA.
@kirokyukan There was references to short swarthy blackish ill favoured lookin people known as eskimaux. There are negroid artifacts found in canada also.
@kirokyukan i've seen some photos of some eskimos they weren't black as today most people consider black as in west african black. They were very dark skinned and look asian. But there are africans that are dark skinned and look asian also.
@kirokyukan good site however its about black presence in ancient times. some info their agreed with and is new to me some info is reaching but interesting thou..my personal opinion
@KRock2000 Heres one point for you that Im surprised you havent exposed. Globes have existed since before the time of Christ, so how could the Spanish have possibly considered the world round? Even the Bible states the sphericity of the world as fact. Both contemporary science and religious beliefs all claimed the earth to be round, so how could Columbo have been the only person to believe this??? Thats an obvious lie. Im curious - are you Blindian?
@kirokyukan Do you mean the spanish considered the world flat even though the bible talks about the sphericity of the world???? I think the spanish elite (and other european nations )knew the world was round because their univerisites taught navigation by moorish navigators. I just think at that time it was in the interest of certain monarchs to tell tales to keep people in check and afraid..... Yeah i'm black indian.
@KRock2000 The spanish deffinately told stories, like the stories of Canniabalism and Human sacrifice, which were clearly written to demonize us. Christians and Muslims had been accusing each other of this shit for yrs and they knew it worked well as a propaganda tool. However Christians finding "Muslim" lands in America would have negated the need to demonize us - they would have just said we were Muslim and they wouldnt have needed any other excuse.
@KRock2000 I can accept the possibility of Africans periodically venturing across the ocean, but to think these were Islamic lands is nonsense. According to them they were only here to trade - not colonize, but then claim Blacks have been here for as long as the redman??? That would mean Islam is just as bad if not worse then the Christians. Blacks coming over and living in our ways is fine, but foreign colonial powers aint. If Atlantic trade existed - why does Africa not have Indian artifacts?
@KRock2000 Haplogroup Q is the common Human Y-chromosome found amongst ALL "Native Americans". This strain is strongest west of the Mississipi and throuout S. America at 100% waning to as low as 30% in the far North Eastern region, but extending as far away as Greenland. Haplogroup Q is also found in varrying lesser degrees of purity throughout most of Asia and small pats of Europe, but having its strongest presence in Siberia. This DNA exist NOWHERE inside of Africa. Haplogroup Q = Redman
@KRock2000 Haplogroup Q is the common Human Y-chromosome found amongst ALL "Native Americans". This strain is strongest west of the Mississipi and throuout S. America at 100% waning to as low as 30% in the far North Eastern region, but extending as far away as Greenland. Haplogroup Q is also found in varrying lesser degrees of purity throughout most of Asia and small pats of Europe, but having its strongest presence in Siberia. This DNA exist NOWHERE inside of Africa. Haplogroup Q = Redman
@kirokyukan Exactly these red warriors (aka tushka homa or in arabic hamra means red) were always at war with the tushkalusa-tuscaloosa the black warriors. excerpt from louis and clark expedition....Lewis and Clark went on an expedition formed by government officials specifically Thomas Jefferson the then president in 1803. They wanted to identify the Native Populations in the West because they had little to no knowledge of these Indigenous Peoples.
@KRock2000 The impossibilty of what you are suggesting is hilarious. You claim that an un unified Europe could somehow rewrite history. They have never gotten along long enough for that to be possible. Europeans have only been unified by Christianity, but that didnt make them a happy family - same goes for the Muslims. You also claim that all of Islams knowledge was in the hands of the Moors of Spain. Bwa Ha Ha - Go tell that to the Arabs and see what they say.
@kirokyukan Who said all the muslims knowledge was in spain. Moors were custodians of ancient knowledge. europe did not rewrite history. I'm saying when you look at handwritings from magellan, pigafetta, columbus etc all these people put down and referenced black skinned negroid people all over the americas wherever they went. This is the original account of america from a european perspective..i'm saying all this redman talk is pure hype. rafinesque compiled info about blacks in america
@KRock2000 The second most common strain is Haplogroup R1, which is strongest in the N. Eastern tribes, but found to a lesser extent throughout N.America but waning to 10 - 0% levels in S. America. This Chromosome is found throughout most of Asia being strongest near the Caspian sea. It also is found at 100% levels in nearly all of Europe. Haplogroup R1 also exist at 100% levels in Nigeria, which supports the "Out of Africa" theory.
@KRock2000 Haplogroup C3b is the third most common one, and is strongest in the N. West regions. It doesnt exist in S. America at all, but is present throughout most of Asia, with no Appearances found in Europe or Africa. I have as much in common with Africans as I do with Euros, but have a strongest connection with Asians. How is this possible with your version of history?
@KRock2000 According to your theory Black DNA should be found throughout Native Americans since we commonly practiced things like the Mourning wars, where we took members of neighbouring tribes and adopted them as our own. These wars knew no borders so the Negroe race should have spread all the way to the Arctic, but didnt. Why? Cause Negroes belong in the Old world, along with the Europeans Arabs and whatever other race that assissted the Euros in their conquest of the Americas.
The Dna is proven false on its face. If europeans set the control as mongoloid and lighter skinned races as indigenous how can any black person claim to be indigenous It won't show because of a constructive fraud not because blacks aren't indigenous. Anthropologist have shown that luzia is negroid in classificiation and that tests the oldest people in americas.than artifacts of olmecs of negroid people...than spanish eyewitness accounts..now blacks family history of indigenous past..consistant
@KRock2000 Native Genetics show similarities to the Mongloids, but are far from the same. Mongloid is a relic term used far before the knowledge of Genetics came around. Blacks, Whites, Asians, and Native Americans are all doing research into Genetics and all are in Agreement about which sets of people are distinct. Genetics show when genetic mutations occurred which ones overlap the originals ect. Saying that Genetic theory and their findings is a cop out for ignorance.
From the halls of monteczuma to the shores of tripoli is about the moorish dominions from mexico to north africa... it is clearly known. It was these colonies of what we know as seminoles that were fighting europeans in mexico and in florida are from the same heritage as the barbary powers in norh africa just an extension of battles that took place.
These same moors descendants were inventors and made major contributions to americas society all over this hemisphere. No conquered people masters taught them anything. Not a miracle or mystery. just common sense depending on how u look at history.
@KRock2000 African Muslim are just as conquered as Christianized Africans. The conquered Africans quicly aquired Muslim technology. Same thing happened in America. The Arms trade began at the outset of conquest. By the time of the Seminole the Iroquois were already fully armed.
You people....Native americans did not speak Islam or anyother world language except their own. There are any different civilizations of Native Americans with very different languages, cultures and looks. Your people need to stop with your crazy threroys of my people and stick with your own.
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Lucifer got his cock by the ass of Muhammad, and its climax, inspired and wrote the Quran addressed to all those who like to have a cock in the ass.
kobi97 1 month ago
OHHH My GAAWWDDDDDD THE SH*T IS GITTIN DEEP NOW!
KasparHauser6 4 months ago
The word for friend in Arabic is "sahib" the same for the Dina (Navajo)
oklahomaisok 4 months ago
@oklahomaisok Wow, one word is similar? That totally proves it! Given all of the different Native American languages, it would be a statistically anomaly if there were NO similar words at all.
ISLAMizCANCER 3 months ago
To all stupid Americans and Muslim Haters: A Chinese Muslim (Admiral Zheng He) arrived to American continent 100 years before Columbus, with his 30 000 man crue, he traded with the Native Americans and they exchanged Knowledge and culture, most of the Native Indians converted to Islam... 100 years later, Blood thirsty Christian European arrived and....
SultanOfSwords 4 months ago
@SultanOfSwords There is no proof whatsoever that Zheng He journeyed to America. It's a fanciful muslim invention, just like many other things including the quran itself. It's also dubious that he was even muslim.
But let's just say you're right. He obviously would have landed on the Pacific Coast somewhere, right? And the moron in this video claims that Columbus encountered Natives in the CARIBBEAN who spoke Arabic. Pretty vast geographical distance for a language to spread so quickly. FAIL.
ISLAMizCANCER 3 months ago
@SultanOfSwords Also, you say that he took a crew of 30,000 with him?? Do you have any idea how many ships that would take?? Granted, the Chinese are responsible for the vast exaggeration of the size and number of his ships, which blatantly defy the laws of engineering.
Such a huge force reaching the Americas would not be dubious, but would be prominent in history with evidence all over the Pacific Coast.
DOUBLE FAIL.
ISLAMizCANCER 3 months ago
Some Native Americans were Muslims. I am not sure about speaking arabic, but some were Muslims. I have Black Foot Native American in me, from my great grandmother.
YurrahAlHadi 4 months ago
Science and Islam: Muslims fantasise that the Native Americans Spoke Arabic
Wordavee1 5 months ago
My question to this cleric is, what tribe? Apache, Camanche, Iriquois, Navaho, Blackfoot, Sue. If I misspelled any tribal names I appologize, and why is it that actual Native Language is so very different from arabic?
dusty8512 5 months ago
Columbus discovered the 'New World' or the Americas in 1492, the same year that Islamic rule came to an end in Spain. So, bringing the Arabic language isn't far fetched at all.
KatrinaDi 5 months ago
Yet another Muslim retard. This clown is beyond laughable.
HalalKafir 6 months ago 5
So what does this mean? That Arabic speaking people visited America, taught the natives Arabic and left? Couldn't it just as easily mean that One or more Natives traveled over seas and learned Arabic there? This seems to just be agenda based falsehoods. At best this means that Arabic speaking people visited America and did not realize how valuable a place it was, and left.. Sucks to be you!
gleventhal 6 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
HOW FUNNY IS THIS!!!
jerry4122 6 months ago 2
I bet even monkeys and pigs spoke Arabic...
Winner8501 7 months ago
You say that you have undisputed evidence that Native Americans spoke Arabic at home. How convenient that you would happen to forget to bring it with you the day you were invited onto this program. Silly Muslim, tricks are for kids.
ManOnFia 7 months ago
Its actually has truth to it. There is lots of evidence that muslims were not only in America at the time, but had settled for a long time before then. There are texts in Kufic arabic script. There were over 1200 different native tribes of different cultures. Look it up. Oh yea, then came the "americans" who had NO intention of living WITH the indians, only to occupy, displace, then wipe them out in a mass genocide, from 60 million to a population of few hundred thousand. Same old same old.
daneshjoo2011 8 months ago
@daneshjoo2011 Are you trolling, using taqiyya, or just high?
There is certainly not "lots of evidence" unless you believe muslim "scholars" like the mentally challenged propagandist in this video. There is a weak theory that is not supported by mainstream historians, and nothing more.
And where do you get your numbers from? There are more indigenous people alive today in North & South America than there were when Columbus arrived.
ISLAMizCANCER 8 months ago
@ISLAMizCANCER
He said he has Evidence, so if you havent met nor talked to him you have no right to say that!
you also admitted that there is something that is weakened by mainstream historicans.
yeah there are more but they dont have the right to rule you even though its their land!
stupid americans will always be stupid, and i dont know why?!?!?!?
why dont you people from that small place of yours try to learn from cultures that are 10000 years old instead of praising your 400 years country?
msaha1992 8 months ago
@msaha1992
LOL!!!
You appear to think that I'm American. Why? Because I'm defending people from the American continents?
Anyone can "say" they have evidence, but it doesn't mean a thing unless he can actually produce it. I can claim that I have "evidence at home" that the earth's core is filled with ranch dressing. Would you believe me just because I said it? Sorry, I have every right to say whatever I want. Do you know why? Because I live in a free country, not a shithole islamic country.
ISLAMizCANCER 8 months ago
@msaha1992
I said that the theory itself is weak, and is NOT supported by mainstream historians. I didn't "admit" anything was "weakened by mainstream historicans." Work on your reading comprehension skills.
Americans are stupid? Who made the computer, website, and internet that you are currently using? Who leads the world in inventions, scientific discoveries, and medical breakthroughs?
Why do muslims account for 20% of the world population, but less than 1% of patents and scientific papers?
ISLAMizCANCER 8 months ago
@msaha1992
Americans have "no right" to rule a land that was inhabited by warring tribes? Fine. Then muslims need to GET OUT of North Africa, Mesopotamia, Jordan Rift Valley, Persia, and basically everywhere, even Mecca. They have NO RIGHT to rule there!
Native Americans are treated as equals, and sometimes have even more rights on their reservations. But non-muslims are treated as inferior in muslim countries, so what makes muslims think they can criticize treatment of Native Americans?
ISLAMizCANCER 8 months ago 6
@ISLAMizCANCER U are missinformed islam never, treated any othe cultures badly infact jews and christians lived together as brothers with the muslims untill israel came, i promis u if it was muslims who enterd north america fisrt, they would slaughter all natives like europeans did... dont forget they are tryin to make islam look bad now, because its a good way of living life. just like they also tried to make Natives to look like saavages with hollywood's movies.. Read History please.
ashiinsane90 4 months ago
@ashiinsane90 LOL!!! How stupid do you think I am? Let me ask you, is there anything that muslims DON'T blame on Israel and/or America?
Muslims erroneously believe themselves to be superior, and all throughout history they forced Christians and Jews to live under dhimmitude, and treated polytheists even worse.
Today, non-muslims are persecuated in all muslim countries. You Egyptians burn down Christian homes and churches. Same with Pakistan and Iran. But that must be Israel's fault, right??
ISLAMizCANCER 4 months ago
@ashiinsane90 "if it was muslims who enterd north america fisrt, they would slaughter all natives like europeans did"
You're saying that muslims WOULD slaughter all natives? I believe you! That's the one truthful thing you said, even though you probably meant to lie and say "would not". Also, if Europeans "slaughtered all natives" then why are there millions of natives alive today? You're clearly not very intelligent, but that's not your fault; it's only because you were raised muslim.
ISLAMizCANCER 4 months ago
@ashiinsane90 "dont forget they are tryin to make islam look bad now, because its a good way of living life"
LOL!!! Everywhere in the world where Islam is in the majority it has brought backwardness, bigotry, oppression, destruction and tremendous suffering.
Islam teaches hate, it orders the killing or subjugation of non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates human rights. I piss into the dead, empty skull of your pedophile prophet and wipe my ass on pages ripped out of the quran.
ISLAMizCANCER 4 months ago
@ISLAMizCANCER Ur only speaking out of ignorance u dumbfuck, lets see if u can say that after u die
ashiinsane90 3 months ago
@ashiinsane90 Wow, good counterpoint! You know as well as I do that I'm being truthful, and yet you continue to lie about it. Not surprising, really.
As for after I die, I'll be happy just as long as I go to the opposite place as your hate-mongering slave-trading child-raping mass-murdering psychopathic warlord "prophet."
ISLAMizCANCER 3 months ago
@ISLAMizCANCER Trololol ignorant fuck i wont bother educating you because u are totally mislead
ashiinsane90 3 months ago
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ISLAMizCANCER 3 months ago
@ISLAMizCANCER are you nuts, native americans are treated as equals? Have you ever been to the middle east? If you have'nt then please shut up.:)
monjiaitaly 2 months ago
@ISLAMizCANCER lol dude you are ignorant america commited genocyde against those people!!!I am from norh Africa my ancestors might be not arabs but i m proud of our history and i m pround of being part of the arab world!!You can be pround of being american too but honestly when it comes to native americans you should really keep it low
sheraton31 1 month ago
@msaha1992
Why don't Americans learn from 10,000 year old cultures? They study Native American archaeology, lore, and history extensively! They take many positive lessons from the Natives! What more do you want? Should they live in tents with no electricity, running water, soap, or wheels?
Islam destroyed other cultures while it spread like the plague that it is. It has zero respect for other cultures. Saudi Arabia prohibits archaeology, lest people learn of the pagan origins of islam!
ISLAMizCANCER 8 months ago
@ISLAMizCANCER
native americans lived in tents also
really, then why dont americans know anything about the world?
because they are too lazy watching tv or living their imaginary lives
not all americans do that but the most does
we dont live in tents, we are more advanced in our countries than your imaginary world where you cant watch all tv cannels
we watch anything we want not you
Islam is still spreading because the likes of you make people search about it =P
msaha1992 8 months ago
msaha1992 8 months ago
@msaha1992 thats because its been corrupted, dont blame Islam for todays cancer
Heythumb88 7 months ago
I dont understand what you've written?
could you please explain
msaha1992 7 months ago
@daneshjoo2011 Undoubtedly there was some cruel treatment at the hands of Europeans of natives in both continents (you appear to be impying it was only in the US), but there was no organized genocide. Most often, conflict was initiated by the natives, which was nearly always the case when the US Government was involved.
There's no such thing as a "mass genocide" either. Genocide is genocide.
Sadly, human history is bloody. Every culture is guilty, but you're cherry picking.
ISLAMizCANCER 8 months ago
So apparently the Native Americans thought Islam was crap, too (since they stuck with their own religions) 8P
OptimisticCynic715 8 months ago 3
people will say any old shit so people will believe there religion
mcdinkity 8 months ago
Idiots spread idiotic theories.
mon2908 8 months ago
@mon2908
i made a research if i might be able to post ill do
then i want you to say its not tru!
ill talk about the first language humens ever spoke!
msaha1992 8 months ago
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@mon2908
i made a research if i might be able to post ill do
then i want you to say its not tru!
ill talk about the first language humans ever spoke!
msaha1992 8 months ago
Suck it!
goozambel 8 months ago
no idiot, he took the servants because he THOUGHT he was sailing to India..fucking jackass
catoplayboy 8 months ago
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MultiSamsim 9 months ago
Native Americans didn't speak arabic and weren't muslim.
Eannri 9 months ago
I feel sorry for the arabs. They grasp at straws to "glorify" their past.
hierostratus 9 months ago
Bahahahahahahahaha!
KingdomAwaits 9 months ago
Man, muslims sure can tell wopper lies. Why do they lie so much???
CuachicquehRex 10 months ago
@CuachicquehRex when the kufar hear the word islam he start to get paronoid.
OldSchoolPking 10 months ago
@OldSchoolPking
no when we the kuffar hear the world islam we the kuffar start to laugh and shake our heads in disbelieve over your stupidity
hannahr77 9 months ago
@CuachicquehRex
Why do muslims tell wopper lies?
Look it up!
it's called "Taqaiyya" which institutionalizes lying and cheating to subjectively advance Islam. Muslims
call their religion the only noble religion of truth, yet it allows lying. REAL RELIGION OF TRUTH!!!!
No Muslim has been able to offer a reasonable justification why their religion of truth needs Muslims to lie for God? How can you trust anything the Koran or Muslims say if they allow lying? Its all a lie!
good2goskee 9 months ago
I am Native American and Muslim.Brothers, the history books have never done justice to our grandfathers. Islam/Muslims have a rich and peaceful history in this land, unlike the European invaders. that in itself tells you why you didnt get taught this in school.
DawahDivah 10 months ago
@DawahDivah So are you basically saying that it's true that Native Americans used to speak Arabic????????????
dreamer13266 9 months ago
@DawahDivah
are you kidding me islam has never had a peaceful anything not ever
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it is possible ,so what? the arabs use to travel all over to do trading , the only difference is they didnt want to take over america! realy its not that far fetch
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@fahd08 If I may quote the great Arab invader and conqueror of the Maghreb, northwest Africa, Uqba ibn Nafi, "Ya Rab, if the sea did not stop me, I would go through the lands like Alexander the Great, defending your faith and fighting the unbelievers." - in appears the Atlantic is the only thing that kept Arab rule and Arabic out of America, fahd08. Cited from "The Great Arab Conquests" by Hugh Kennedy, pg. 214. 2007.
AndrewzDescent 10 months ago
Ok, here comes the conclusion.. SO?
WhatTheAce 10 months ago
he left the indisputable documentation home. if there was any such documentation he would have nailed it on his head to show
AbcadefGhiJklman 11 months ago
I CALL TOTAL BULL SHIT!S!!
sandorsbox 11 months ago
If you watch or listen to Christian TV/radio, you find a lot of pseudo-science and pseudo-history, etc. This is pretty common. Sort of like folks who say, Jews love gems and diamonds - proof? "JEWelry" - where do you think that word came from? That's a false etymology, and it's a common mistake.
2left4obama 1 year ago
@2left4obama ....I'm sorry, which Christian TV station said that? What does that have to do with this? Are you complaining about another TV show on this clip?.. -_-
AndrewzDescent 11 months ago
i thought he was lieing too but i read a book about it
Islam4way 1 year ago
@Islam4way ...You read a book about it? What book? What documentation was available from the life of Columbus and his contemporaries that said the Natives spoke Arabic and that they required Arab interpreters? Which document said that Arab interpreters were even taken to the new world?
AndrewzDescent 11 months ago
fuck muslms in muhmmed
mikedavidtheman 1 year ago
lol at the 'tard "scholar"... he has evidence at home...
onemoreturn 1 year ago
Gee I must have missed this little fact when I was studying American History while in College.. Sitting Bull at the Little Bighorn...Allah be praised! there's Yellowhair Custer.
SilentShooter53 1 year ago 12
@SilentShooter53 Maybe that's why we were attacking the Indians after all? They were Muslims and committing acts of terrorism against the pilgrims?
jackflak1979 10 months ago
@SilentShooter53 /watch?v=i4qSVm-21gQ&feature=related
sazasnet 9 months ago
@SilentShooter53 This isn't about Islam being brought to the U.S. for the Natives, it's only about the LANGUAGE.
KatrinaDi 5 months ago
1 word: LOL
whitecolombian 1 year ago
Look at the rock that was discovered over 150 yrs ago in Ill, it has old writing on it. About 40 yrs after it was found, two Rabbi were going through looking at this particular artifact in this local museum, and said, "Hey this is Old Hebrew", if that is really true then, Jews and thier system came first to the Americas. Remember, in the koran it says to spread the faith by the Sword, maybe they're attempting to change history to change it by the pen. Lakota sounds nothing like arabic.
XMK2CATX1 1 year ago 2
lmfao im native american and we do not and have never spoken arabic
ikeones 1 year ago 33
@ikeones everyone tries to be native... except jews.... who oddly enough are told they are native americans by mormons
budda10000 1 year ago
@budda10000 Lol, I get it and that's pretty funny.
AndrewzDescent 11 months ago
@ikeones These people are nuts.
jackflak1979 10 months ago
@ikeones Well you also didn't speak English back then , but you do now
aziz79 9 months ago
@ikeones how and the hell you know what they spoken 600years ago????
kemetkush 8 months ago
@ikeones oh thats right because you've come straight from about 3000 years ago u fucking idiot get a brain.
maxgunn555 8 months ago
@ikeones I guess everybody loves America and wants to claim they discovered it first. People loved America so much that they stole it from your people.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
I love it when he says "I have documentation and evidence of this at home". My question is didn't you know that you were coming on a TV show to discuss it and wouldn't it be appropriate to bring the evidence? LOL. It is like going to court without bringing the evidence.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
@Ryanyarb24 i have the evidence. can provide it any time.
MrViTopol 6 months ago
@ikeones My Brother or Sister what the Brother Imam was saying is that the People Columbus meet spoke Arabic. what you have to also understand is that Columbus landed on modern day Haiti and the Dominican Republic and thus wiped out all the Indigenous peoples on the Island. so for all we know those people did in fact speak Arabic.
YungReezzy 6 months ago
@YungReezzy
How were they supposed to have learned Arabic? and what are we supposed to presume from this? That they were born being able to speak arabic, they came from arabia, arabians visted them, thaught them the language and left? All of them are highly unlikely.
Wordavee1 5 months ago
@Wordavee1 Wow you are ignorant of history or the western world has deprived you of your history!! Go n Research it Moor Arabs/blacks from Morocco came to America way before Columbus n he used their maps to do it research it yourself n find the truth!!!!!!!!!!
moeazysgc 5 months ago
@moeazysgc Of course,the ignornats are the Westeners and the Arabs are the most enlightened people on this planet...all bcs they follow a pedo rapist murderer...I really respect and trust these people ;p
Allahusexbar 5 months ago
@moeazysgc In fact the Arabs will be the first people to land on Jupiter...with their dicks!!!
Allahusexbar 5 months ago
@ikeones hehehehehehe you are right!! This is so funny,the also talk about the same thing with Buddha who existed thousands of years before this other religion. Native American Spirituality is the best thing to go by!!!!!
merce0909 4 months ago
Islamic lands i wouldn't say. Barry Fell did extensive research on Arabic words in Native languages. I wouldn't say i'm islamic. I recognize it being a part of my heritage. I don't want to get caught up into anyone's religion though. I recognize people using religion as an excuse to perpetrate watever their hidden agendas. There is also information of chinese muslims coming to the americas and documenting things. When i started researched i started seeing similarites in some clothings
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Islam is no more a part of your heritage then Christianity is a part of mine. Both are religious shackles imposed on us by foreign oppressors. You want to explore your roots? Tribal ways are our roots - even if you identify with your African heritage.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Im aware of the "studies" that try to claim Native languages derive from Arabic - based on sound. The thing is European, Asian, and a ton of languages have sounds that sound similar to our words, the roots are different though which is why the meaning is too. They reference how many languages uses the sound allah, but then fail to mention that these sounds are often only part of a word and to my knowledge NEVER mean anything relating to "God"
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Muslims are experts at finding holes in written documents - its partially what their religion is based on. They claim to believe the validity of the Bible in every case accept where they contradict. Thats like bringing a witness with you, then calling him a liar. Both books contradict the hell out of each other and themselves and neither should be used the way they are. Read them - throw them - move on.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
wiki black morrow... also google image the basalt mask canada. google images adena mound excavated pipe...go to google books and type willard p leutze red or black
KRock2000 1 year ago
dumb dumb raghead twat .
dave2806 1 year ago
Lastly all these handpicked tribal leaders have been put their by american government after conquering these lands and finally black chiefs. Now all of a sudden red man ended up in oklahoma from bogus treaties. black indians stayed put mostly in the south and suffered all kinds of hostilities from ex military racist regimes to take their lands from them. all lynching was done was to take away what they couldn't previously. another good trick was putting black indians in debt via fraud...
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Not all red chiefs were installed by white guys, especially in Canada. In Canada although elected chiefs are white puppets the Council Chiefs are hereditary and always have been. Some tribes have no elected \\Chiefs and outside interfernce was minimal, and guess what colour these tribes are? Red. 1502 was the year the first Slaves escaped into America.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
This information about kufic /qara script in americas would be nothing new if book burnings never happened...these reported burning books of natives in one instant and claim natives never wrote in another.. These writings, words etc still exist in americas. miconapy the seminole is really micoNABI nabi meaning prophet, wise man NB=NoBle just like Lenni Lenape is leNabi same thing
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Seminole = cimarrón
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Why are the Negroes only in places "conquered" by Whites?
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Seminole isnt even Pre - columbian tribe.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
Seriously though until you properly address how/and why DAN evidence suggest contrary to what you claim Im simply done refuting your circumstantial claims. They wouldnt work in a cout of law and they dont work in debates either - unless Muslim debates dont require proof. Why you wish to identify with the original people that conquered you, ie Muslims, is beyond me - stockholme syndrome perhaps?
kirokyukan 1 year ago
Red man was used as a tool for seperation against black men. These red men were fighting against delaware moors aka the lenni lenape indians and sum of these red creek were used as a buffer against the black seminoles. These same red men were then placed chiefs over tribes given backdoor treaties and handouts..some not all red men. while the blacks that i've pointed out and referenced were given the hard shaft. The records r cool points out the true perspective of that time..history doesnot
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Redman is not what is seperating us - DNA is. That and your false history, which insults every Native man. Whites arent stopping us from uniting - people like you are. We were happy to adopt you people before, but now you think this is your land. Seems like a White washed mind set to me. Give you a little and you try to claim it all. Ive been refuting your points, but you have failed to address any of mine. Why? Cause you cant argue TRUTH.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
. They took a black man named York who was the son of a Moroccan named Yusuf Ben Ali and a Native Woman amongst the Choctaw named Ayahmareeyah with them. They also took Sacajawea another native woman who is depicted on the millennial gold dollar with her son Jean Baptiste. John Sibley reported that,
“Choctaw – There are rambling hunting parties of them to be met with all over Louisiana. They are at war with the Caldougies and liked by neither the Red nor the White People. April 5th 1803
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Lewis and Clark existed 300 yrs after Spanish conquest. They were also exploring "Spanish" Territory, or territory that had already been exploited by the Spanish. 300 yrs is plenty of time for Runaway slaves to penetrate the interior.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan But what you fail to understand about lewis and clark expedition is that De Soto in the 1500's already mentioned black indians when he arrived before any slave trade every existed. DeSoto mentioned an indian as black as a philistine. And tuscaloosa the choctaw chief.loosa is lusa and means black moor, negro, black man. homa/hamra is red. How is the chief in the 1500's a black warrior. Same reason why most black people know of their choctaw heritage today. proof is in the puddin
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Dark skin does not equal African - quit being so racist.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan they are in isolation because they have ran away i'm sure once the bullshyt started long ago to continue their cultural practices. Just like the black people...today like the ramapo mountain people are in the mountains after fleeing persecution from europeans.. they are black know of their native heritage and insist they are not africans that came on slave ships. There is an isolated group of parrots in the east side of chicago in harold washington park by the lake also...
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 The Ramapough Mountain Indians, although Native, are Black on account of Native adoption. They dont claim to be a Pre Columbian tribe, and are well aware of their roots. They were not in remote areas where no White man had been - they were in Jersey. The Natives that are in Isolation in South America are in remote area where no White man has been. Thats why they dont have Black people as members of their tribes.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan Ramapough Indians are Lenape and have always looked exactly the same way The Natives I shall consider in their Persons, Language, Manners, Religion and
Government, with my sence of their Original. For their Persons, they are generally
tall, streight, well-built, and of singular Proportion; they tread strong and clever, and
mostly walk with a lofty Chin: Of Complexion, Black, but by design, as the Gypsies in
England:
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Ramapough Indians are not prue Lenape, nor do they claim to be. They are well aware of why they have Black skin, and know of their European, Iroquois and various other roots. Neither Islam or Christianity are Native to the Americas, and both groups should be expelled from the Americas - Black, White, Yellow or Red I have no problem accepting Blindians, or Windians, but they need to embrace Native culture or will forever be considered ousiders no matter what colour.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan racist lol. I'm not racist i'm only saying dark skinned aboriginal peoples in america have been reclassified as african americans., afrobrazilian etc i already said seminoles are a confederacy of different tribes yamasee's, creeks etc. negroes are in south pacific and indigenous there. india. phillipines, americas etc. Negroes are in places where europeans are is because they were already there and or interacting directly with europeans. crispus attucks fred douglas are indians
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Yes maybe some Black Indians did get the shaft in AMERICA, here in Canada we have the opposite "problem" of White Indians. Slavery didnt exist in Canada so the Blacks here had no reason to seek refuge with us, although I cant deny that no mixing with Blacks ever happened. Genalogy can be traced in all the examples I know of. Out West this problem doesnt even exist. Why? Cause western Canada was the last place explored. No Whites equals No Blacks.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
les berbers en amerique jules cauvet taken tribal names of peoples in central south america and proven without a doub tthey are identical to people we call Berbers/Moors in africa. bororo is just one and i have many more. and their genotype of bloodtype is the same. All these black people in americas are only african slaves THEORETICALLY by political decree. I'm tellin you millions of africans were never taken from africa...but many of these blacks in america today are indigenous people
KRock2000 1 year ago
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@KRock2000 You talk out two sides of your mouth. One minute you claim Balcks are indigenous, then you claim the ones that are "indigenous" to America were trained in Africa??? That makes no sense. Black Seminoles were trained by the Spanish in attepmt to stop Brithish expansion on N. America. It had nothing to do with Muslim influence. Tens of Millions of Africans werent taken from Africa, they were sold! Muslims call this the African Genocide and is weel documented in WORLD records.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Why would Europeans try to rewrite history in a way that makes them appear in a less then favorable light? History as everybody tells it paints the Euros as a savage race. Why would they not attempt to make themselves appear good. Seems more likely that a few Muslims are attempting to rewrite history in attempt to bury their faults. They sold off there own people, a fact they are well aware of but attempot to excuse.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan who is hiding??? National issues no matter what the issue are plaguing all nations today. a muslim that is a terorist is no more or less a terrorist than a kkk christian member with a similar agenda. Some people mask their own cultural issues and personal feelings behind religious facades..which is common to many peoples around the world. Nobody is trying to rewrite history. Im referencing records which are things that are simply recorded. where as history is a story..
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Your referencing records you claim to be false. So lets not deal with records but lets stick to the DNA. Which debunks all your speculation.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Your referencing records you claim to be false. So lets not deal with records but lets stick to the DNA. Which debunks all your speculation.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan All dna could do is tell someone or thing what it is related to. LIke is said its the control of the dna tests that
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 "its the control of the dna tests that" What the hell does that mean?
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 "its the control of the dna tests that" What the hell does that mean?
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan I've said it before and i had to leave somehwere which is why i didn't finish it. My point is that the dna test is only telling people who they are related too. Once they decided they were going to use one group of people these mongoloid mixed peoples and classify their genetics as native americans where does that leaves the black natives. See the oldest remains and artifacts are of/from negroid peoples in the americas. where does that leave their descendants. left out basically
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 The "Black Natives" have Native american DNA. So why wouldnt we have Black DNA???
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan like i said anthropologist dug up bones and named the female remains luzia and determined they were negroid and 10,000 years old by estimations...then the question has to be asked why wasn't negroid blood used as a test for indigneous blood after finding this out. Somebody is simply protecting and holding onto a lie and a falsehood that has been exposed time and time again. all these negros in america knowin of indian blood are called africans lol. consistant by all accounts
KRock2000 1 year ago
like i was saying after the help of the church and other bogus methods black indians could now be attacked by a system of banking and terrorism. No tribal authorities no more to preserve lands...resources were taken and now friendly banks were there to loan money so these indians could now afford to keep up their business. However once they fell behind these same blacks became servants on their own lands to pay off the interest and debt put on them fraudulently. this is black americas story
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 I want to thank you for this debate as I learned alot of facts about Native AMERICANS that I was nargely unaware of. Yes Black Indians got the shaft compred to the light ones in America, but theis didnt happen, atleast not on the same scale in Canada. Like I said the problem coming to ahead here is "White" Indians and whether or not they should have the same rights. No Conspiracy about it - just racist indians. White Indians dont mean Europeans were here first though.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Suggested they were Neroid or Negrito, or Australoid or Melanesians, or possibly someone who just had different features. They dont know. The fact everybody in the World is descended from Africa explains way any Negroid feature in everyboby, including the white guys with Big Lips, big Noses and Curly hair. Perhaps the DNA of Luzia should be used if that were possible, but to think that any Negroid would do is proof of your ignorance concerning DNA.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Why are there no Black Eskimos?
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan There was references to short swarthy blackish ill favoured lookin people known as eskimaux. There are negroid artifacts found in canada also.
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Eskimos are dark, but none of them are Balck. Not one.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan i've seen some photos of some eskimos they weren't black as today most people consider black as in west african black. They were very dark skinned and look asian. But there are africans that are dark skinned and look asian also.
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Could you possibly refernce a link to these photos of Negroe Eskimos? Or Chinese Africans?
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan good site however its about black presence in ancient times. some info their agreed with and is new to me some info is reaching but interesting thou..my personal opinion
beforebc.de
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Heres one point for you that Im surprised you havent exposed. Globes have existed since before the time of Christ, so how could the Spanish have possibly considered the world round? Even the Bible states the sphericity of the world as fact. Both contemporary science and religious beliefs all claimed the earth to be round, so how could Columbo have been the only person to believe this??? Thats an obvious lie. Im curious - are you Blindian?
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan Do you mean the spanish considered the world flat even though the bible talks about the sphericity of the world???? I think the spanish elite (and other european nations )knew the world was round because their univerisites taught navigation by moorish navigators. I just think at that time it was in the interest of certain monarchs to tell tales to keep people in check and afraid..... Yeah i'm black indian.
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 The spanish deffinately told stories, like the stories of Canniabalism and Human sacrifice, which were clearly written to demonize us. Christians and Muslims had been accusing each other of this shit for yrs and they knew it worked well as a propaganda tool. However Christians finding "Muslim" lands in America would have negated the need to demonize us - they would have just said we were Muslim and they wouldnt have needed any other excuse.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 I can accept the possibility of Africans periodically venturing across the ocean, but to think these were Islamic lands is nonsense. According to them they were only here to trade - not colonize, but then claim Blacks have been here for as long as the redman??? That would mean Islam is just as bad if not worse then the Christians. Blacks coming over and living in our ways is fine, but foreign colonial powers aint. If Atlantic trade existed - why does Africa not have Indian artifacts?
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Are you Islamic?
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Why do the tribes that have remained in ISOLATION have no Negroes???
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Haplogroup Q is the common Human Y-chromosome found amongst ALL "Native Americans". This strain is strongest west of the Mississipi and throuout S. America at 100% waning to as low as 30% in the far North Eastern region, but extending as far away as Greenland. Haplogroup Q is also found in varrying lesser degrees of purity throughout most of Asia and small pats of Europe, but having its strongest presence in Siberia. This DNA exist NOWHERE inside of Africa. Haplogroup Q = Redman
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Haplogroup Q is the common Human Y-chromosome found amongst ALL "Native Americans". This strain is strongest west of the Mississipi and throuout S. America at 100% waning to as low as 30% in the far North Eastern region, but extending as far away as Greenland. Haplogroup Q is also found in varrying lesser degrees of purity throughout most of Asia and small pats of Europe, but having its strongest presence in Siberia. This DNA exist NOWHERE inside of Africa. Haplogroup Q = Redman
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan Exactly these red warriors (aka tushka homa or in arabic hamra means red) were always at war with the tushkalusa-tuscaloosa the black warriors. excerpt from louis and clark expedition....Lewis and Clark went on an expedition formed by government officials specifically Thomas Jefferson the then president in 1803. They wanted to identify the Native Populations in the West because they had little to no knowledge of these Indigenous Peoples.
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 The impossibilty of what you are suggesting is hilarious. You claim that an un unified Europe could somehow rewrite history. They have never gotten along long enough for that to be possible. Europeans have only been unified by Christianity, but that didnt make them a happy family - same goes for the Muslims. You also claim that all of Islams knowledge was in the hands of the Moors of Spain. Bwa Ha Ha - Go tell that to the Arabs and see what they say.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@kirokyukan Who said all the muslims knowledge was in spain. Moors were custodians of ancient knowledge. europe did not rewrite history. I'm saying when you look at handwritings from magellan, pigafetta, columbus etc all these people put down and referenced black skinned negroid people all over the americas wherever they went. This is the original account of america from a european perspective..i'm saying all this redman talk is pure hype. rafinesque compiled info about blacks in america
KRock2000 1 year ago
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@KRock2000 The second most common strain is Haplogroup R1, which is strongest in the N. Eastern tribes, but found to a lesser extent throughout N.America but waning to 10 - 0% levels in S. America. This Chromosome is found throughout most of Asia being strongest near the Caspian sea. It also is found at 100% levels in nearly all of Europe. Haplogroup R1 also exist at 100% levels in Nigeria, which supports the "Out of Africa" theory.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
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@KRock2000 Haplogroup C3b is the third most common one, and is strongest in the N. West regions. It doesnt exist in S. America at all, but is present throughout most of Asia, with no Appearances found in Europe or Africa. I have as much in common with Africans as I do with Euros, but have a strongest connection with Asians. How is this possible with your version of history?
kirokyukan 1 year ago
@KRock2000 According to your theory Black DNA should be found throughout Native Americans since we commonly practiced things like the Mourning wars, where we took members of neighbouring tribes and adopted them as our own. These wars knew no borders so the Negroe race should have spread all the way to the Arctic, but didnt. Why? Cause Negroes belong in the Old world, along with the Europeans Arabs and whatever other race that assissted the Euros in their conquest of the Americas.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
The Dna is proven false on its face. If europeans set the control as mongoloid and lighter skinned races as indigenous how can any black person claim to be indigenous It won't show because of a constructive fraud not because blacks aren't indigenous. Anthropologist have shown that luzia is negroid in classificiation and that tests the oldest people in americas.than artifacts of olmecs of negroid people...than spanish eyewitness accounts..now blacks family history of indigenous past..consistant
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 Native Genetics show similarities to the Mongloids, but are far from the same. Mongloid is a relic term used far before the knowledge of Genetics came around. Blacks, Whites, Asians, and Native Americans are all doing research into Genetics and all are in Agreement about which sets of people are distinct. Genetics show when genetic mutations occurred which ones overlap the originals ect. Saying that Genetic theory and their findings is a cop out for ignorance.
kirokyukan 1 year ago
From the halls of monteczuma to the shores of tripoli is about the moorish dominions from mexico to north africa... it is clearly known. It was these colonies of what we know as seminoles that were fighting europeans in mexico and in florida are from the same heritage as the barbary powers in norh africa just an extension of battles that took place.
KRock2000 1 year ago
These same moors descendants were inventors and made major contributions to americas society all over this hemisphere. No conquered people masters taught them anything. Not a miracle or mystery. just common sense depending on how u look at history.
KRock2000 1 year ago
@KRock2000 African Muslim are just as conquered as Christianized Africans. The conquered Africans quicly aquired Muslim technology. Same thing happened in America. The Arms trade began at the outset of conquest. By the time of the Seminole the Iroquois were already fully armed.
kirokyukan 1 year ago