Everyone deserves to see a Christopher Hitchens diatribe. It is a wonder to behold. Witty. On point. You can't help but wanting to buy the man a beer.
@canaanite23 The Quran says there is no compulsion in religion. If you understand english then you should know this means freedom of religion. Incidently its been proven that Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran and used the no compulsion in religion ayat to craft the seperation of church and state clause in the constitution
@koroigetsuga Islam (Quran and Hadith) says so many things (and contradictions) u can pick and chose: “And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them, four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.” (Sura 4, verse 15).
how do ya like them apples??
can u actually respond to the quotes i put?? look at the one i put before as well.
@koroigetsuga Islam is against human rights not only in theory, but also in practice under the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan, under Hamas in Gaza, under Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, in Saudi Arabia, in Iran, Egypt, in the Arab Gulf states, Sudan and Somalia.
and your theory about the idea of separation of religion from state came from the Quran ?? lol
that's a stretch no??
the American constitution comes from the millennium of church power oppressing Europe.
@canaanite23 You clearly have a lot to learn about history. It was Imam Zainul Abideen who wrote the very first treatise of human rights, which ironically was the basis for the french revolution creating the concept of civic rights (rights intrinsic to man). Even the United Declaration of Human Rights is little more than a watered version of what Zainul Abideen created.
@koroigetsuga ok. this is getting a bit pathetic. now an imam is the basis of the french civic rights. never mind the fact that starting to play the game of who started the concept equality and human rights (what about the Jewish bible or the Indian emperor Ashoka for exp?) is not the issue. it's irrelevant. cos with the same breath they speak of love they spit poison and fire. can u actually respond to the Sura's i'm posting and stop nationalizing all of history to Islam ?
@canaanite23 The Treatise of Imam Zainul Abideen being the blueprint for all universal conceptions of civil rights is something accepted by all secular historians. Its taught in every political science institution in the West. My friend do you honestly blabbering on and on like this is going to accomplish something? You seem to want to be right, but you don't seem to value accuracy
@koroigetsuga omg. did i say he didn't exist? i was just saying this is irrelevant. and does the scientific achievements made by Nazi Germany vindicates the whole ideology? that is actually quite ironic that the blueprint of civil rights came out of the same place that now they will let school girls burn to death (Saudi-Arabia) cos they weren't wearing headscarves and abayas (black robes). and would you refer to the actual commends of the Quran?? i'm sure that imam is proud of the Arab world....
@koroigetsuga you are right, Muslims don't have a holy land. that's because they don't have one land. it's the whole planet... there is Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb. only tow options. the house of Islam or the house of war. that even in the most moderate form of it, states that in order to achieve the house of Islam(peace), Muslims must have freedom of religion(no prob there) in that country AND common frontiers with some Muslim countries. (con)
unfortunately, we're wired for belief, so it's never going to go away fully, but with sufficient cultural momentum and education, religion's worst excesses could perhaps be moderated.
@naard - Our brains are not wired at all. We are not computers in the sense that we cannot change our wiring, however, we are 'programmable'. As we learn our brains shape and mold themselves accordingly, and this happens most in a persons early life. Our brain still has this "plasticity" as we get older, however it becomes harder (or takes more effort) to learn new things because over time our old beliefs, habits, ideas etc are made more concrete.
@naard - Its not that we are wired for belief, its that ignorance has allowed a poisonous idea to propagate. And there will always be ignorance in the world as its the default position for everyone.
Shmuely does the best with what he has, meaning the tradition he has to uphold (and the commentaries make Judaism worthwhile because they soften the literalism of the Torah) and his abilities. But the need to be in front of a camera won't ever go away with him, even quoting another author from his own book (which he holds up to the camera) saying he left the original at home. He is addicted to the lights.
Religious people have their whole lives, families and communities wrapped up in religion. They have to defend it because they teach it to their kids. I know lots of religious people who are smart and live lives in complete alignment with scientific thought who don't let themselves critique their religion. Their mind shuts down because it has to be true.
as far as im aware, that room is full of a subspecies of great called homo sapiens, not monkeys. but taxonomy aside, the better individuals are already here and the war now at our footstools will soon be at your neck as your chickens come to roost. thats not a threat, just a warning to stay out of adult businessand to stop toyin with things you don't understand.
the kids who are smarter than me are sure as shit mature enough to talk to me. you're not. half of your sentences don't even make sense. wtf are you talking about?
i had to turn the volume down when Rabbi schmuck started screeching, yelling and throwing his arms around. his incoherent rambling is not worth a penny. i will fight with Hitchens against these idiots who are responsible for so much discord in this world. drop religion and the whole middle east problem is gone, not to mention coutless others. these people are killing each other day in, day out for no good reason.
I don't agree the problem would be gone. It would alter it slightly from 'God gave us this land' to just 'This land is ours!'. I agree that dropping religion would be a good start!
The comment on the Israel/Palestine conflict is spot on. Why is the rest of the world dancing around the obvious, ie, remove the religious factor from the table and suddenly people will forget why they have been so fucking intransigent.
"There is no subject on which men are more immovable than their religious convictions"
Anyone that needs to yell their argument at an audience is obviously trying to get an emotional reaction, not a logical one. If there was anything logical to his statements it would be just as good at a low volume and easier on the ears.
One whoole I found in the Rabbi's perspective is that God and religion must exist and be true for without it man would have no morals to govern himself. Also states man is not a good arbiter of good and evil, incapable of police oneself but yet he supports President Bush and the US obviously acting as an arbiter for Middle East. WOW, what a contradiction.
I'm not sure which is heaven (where Shmuley is) and hell (where at least I can use my brain to think about things). I don't think its very pleasant either way. Not a very fair deal.
Schmuley is an arrogant, foolish twat, and there really isn't much else you can say about him. He's even more annoying here than in his other debates. He "won", did he? He certainly didn't in any of the ones I've watched.
its an insult to hitchens that this is what he has to argue against. The idea that the drivel and messianic tripe (at high volume) he comes up with even matches hitchens' brilliant dissertation
Agreed. However, I`m sure Hitchens is aware that the contrast between him and his opponent has made an impact on undecided (on religion) viewers. It`s worth it , overall.
The rabbi is a bloody fool, and a loud one at that. All he does is whine and shout, he makes non-arguments and squawks alot. I've seen him debate or speak other times and he seems to think that his loud and lurid speeches are an effective means of swaying people. Boteach is a glorified street preacher, Hitchens is a debater. Cool and lofty logic ruins religious ranting every time. He behaved like a jackass.
Seriously, i watched his other debate against Hitchens and it was like he was attempting to commit every logical fallacy in the proverbial book. Why do the religious let this guy debate for them, he is doing them a disservice?
I'm sooooooooo glad, that I was not sitting in the audience and had to listen to Boteach. Richard Dawkins is right about Shmuley Boteach: "You[Boteach] shriek and yell and rant like Hitler." I'm glad, I can skip forward and listen to Hitchens, who actually HAS reasonable arguments, whereas Rabbi S. has nothing but lies - he simply lies through his teeth. I can't even feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for the audience though.
why? if anything shmuley shows us the wisdom of god, for the rabbi was put on this earth to make me feel smart, for if there were only hitchy i'd certainly feel like a dumbass.
I had no idea the wisdom of god lacks logic and presents stupidity. Any jackass can claim supernatural. Hitchens can beat Boteach down while sipping on a martini.
Why is this idiot rabbi being encouraged. He just makes a scene. I have never seen him make a single argument in all the interviews I've seen him participate in.
Does that rabbi, apart from having stupid arguments, ( or barely even touch the actual subject ) do anything other than rant and shout? It might work selling religion to morons but not when you're trying to have an actual intelligent, factual debate.
Shmuley held no official post at Oxford University, and he wasn't the universities Rabbi. Rather he headed a student organization (The L'Chaim Society ). He gives the impression that he was there in an official capacity, I think this is rather disingenuous of him. Whilst Dawkins did debate with the society, he remembers Shmuley's role for the most part as a moderator. As far as Schmuley claim to winning every debate goes I find hard to believe. Especially given the paucity of his arguments here
Nearly everyone claims to have won a debate. Religious, political e cetera. But "evolutionary doctrine" is a nice thing to say, as it shows his sheer imbecility when it comes even to the scientific method. But he i nearly right. There's no need to defend atheism. Atheism has not done anything that requires defending it. Religion on the other hand has done so many things that deserve to be attacked. Any political party with that history of bloodshed would be forbidden.
a true, strident, bible pounding believer. One wonders why even debate these fools, except to show the world the foolish face of religion and all its "glory". Shmuley's best debating tactic is to "pump up the volume"???!!?? (gag) Did he mistake the podium for his pulpit?
The fact these religious figures are willing to debate hitchens proves the masochistic nature of the religious.
Seaworldexists 2 weeks ago
Hitchens is god. He can save us all. Damn don't I sound dumb.
sxdoubleknotxs 3 months ago
No, Richard Dawkins is not an evolutionist... he's a biologist & a scientist.
MrLittletomdj 7 months ago
@7:38 yeah good luck mate.
MrLittletomdj 7 months ago
I'm an atheist but the "Buddha, you big fat bastard" comment was pretty funny. I hate Shmuley but that was funny.
gary031183 1 year ago
@gary031183 The intention was funny, the wording was a bit lame and boring, very uncreative.
username200203 5 months ago
Everyone deserves to see a Christopher Hitchens diatribe. It is a wonder to behold. Witty. On point. You can't help but wanting to buy the man a beer.
akallabror 1 year ago
Hitchens
TheSpock1830 1 year ago
The brilliant Hitchens!!
kidlomax 1 year ago
shmugley just popped right out of a family guy episode.
edgaristtod 1 year ago 3
Shouting and raving doesn't make your argument any less ridiculous
jimbob1969 1 year ago 6
does he really play chairs?
MZVIRB 1 year ago
I've seen Shmuley debate Dawkins and would agrue that his victories where just like his God - Something that excsisted only in his head.
Xigano1 1 year ago
Shmuley was the one defending nothing. Lets get it right
crazystarwarsguy1006 1 year ago
I have always wondered: If you know that you are right, why do you have to scream?
diekerze 1 year ago 4
Vuvuzela sounds better than Shmuley
annata12 1 year ago 3
I'm not jewish, but this schmuck yelling makes me feel like i'm in temple, oi gevalt.
notarealusername1 1 year ago
@notarealusername1 lol
canaanite23 1 year ago
What kind of pillock is Rabbi Shmuley. He starts out personally insulting Hitch and ranting.
roac7777 1 year ago
Hitchens is wrong. The muslims don't tie any holiness to Israel.
koroigetsuga 2 years ago
They just believe that everyone in the world who isn't muslim is worthless.
OspacemarineO 2 years ago
You can't possibly have meant what you wrote.
Is English not your first language?
babaluboo123 1 year ago
Again, muslims don't have a "holy land". Its not a muslim concept.
koroigetsuga 1 year ago
Are you Muslim?
babaluboo123 1 year ago
I am an alien from the planet of Xenu
And Hitchens is wrong, regardless of what my religious affiliations are
koroigetsuga 1 year ago
As Hitchen's would say:
"That, is your argument?"
babaluboo123 1 year ago
@koroigetsuga Then I suggest you go back to Xenu.
roac7777 1 year ago
@koroigetsuga If the former does not apply then physical means such as JIHAD can be used to correct the situation. CAN YOU DIG IT??
"the west had a choice between dishonor and war we chose dishonor and we shall have war"
canaanite23 1 year ago
@canaanite23 The Quran says there is no compulsion in religion. If you understand english then you should know this means freedom of religion. Incidently its been proven that Jefferson owned a copy of the Quran and used the no compulsion in religion ayat to craft the seperation of church and state clause in the constitution
koroigetsuga 1 year ago
@koroigetsuga Islam (Quran and Hadith) says so many things (and contradictions) u can pick and chose: “And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them, four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them.” (Sura 4, verse 15).
how do ya like them apples??
can u actually respond to the quotes i put?? look at the one i put before as well.
(con).
canaanite23 1 year ago
@koroigetsuga Islam is against human rights not only in theory, but also in practice under the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan, under Hamas in Gaza, under Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, in Saudi Arabia, in Iran, Egypt, in the Arab Gulf states, Sudan and Somalia.
and your theory about the idea of separation of religion from state came from the Quran ?? lol
that's a stretch no??
the American constitution comes from the millennium of church power oppressing Europe.
Vive la révolution!
canaanite23 1 year ago
@canaanite23 You clearly have a lot to learn about history. It was Imam Zainul Abideen who wrote the very first treatise of human rights, which ironically was the basis for the french revolution creating the concept of civic rights (rights intrinsic to man). Even the United Declaration of Human Rights is little more than a watered version of what Zainul Abideen created.
koroigetsuga 1 year ago
@koroigetsuga ok. this is getting a bit pathetic. now an imam is the basis of the french civic rights. never mind the fact that starting to play the game of who started the concept equality and human rights (what about the Jewish bible or the Indian emperor Ashoka for exp?) is not the issue. it's irrelevant. cos with the same breath they speak of love they spit poison and fire. can u actually respond to the Sura's i'm posting and stop nationalizing all of history to Islam ?
canaanite23 1 year ago
@canaanite23 The Treatise of Imam Zainul Abideen being the blueprint for all universal conceptions of civil rights is something accepted by all secular historians. Its taught in every political science institution in the West. My friend do you honestly blabbering on and on like this is going to accomplish something? You seem to want to be right, but you don't seem to value accuracy
koroigetsuga 1 year ago
@koroigetsuga omg. did i say he didn't exist? i was just saying this is irrelevant. and does the scientific achievements made by Nazi Germany vindicates the whole ideology? that is actually quite ironic that the blueprint of civil rights came out of the same place that now they will let school girls burn to death (Saudi-Arabia) cos they weren't wearing headscarves and abayas (black robes). and would you refer to the actual commends of the Quran?? i'm sure that imam is proud of the Arab world....
canaanite23 1 year ago
@koroigetsuga you are right, Muslims don't have a holy land. that's because they don't have one land. it's the whole planet... there is Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb. only tow options. the house of Islam or the house of war. that even in the most moderate form of it, states that in order to achieve the house of Islam(peace), Muslims must have freedom of religion(no prob there) in that country AND common frontiers with some Muslim countries. (con)
canaanite23 1 year ago
Someone needs to tell Shmuley... he is not preaching, he is debating... watch the volume son
steveoco1 2 years ago 11
lolol! good one.
teejayandrade 2 years ago
el rabbi is very rude indeed with the 'fat bastard' joke...what a low blow..low life..
the only reason he got away with it is what's on top of his head..
toneshun 2 years ago 7
unfortunately, we're wired for belief, so it's never going to go away fully, but with sufficient cultural momentum and education, religion's worst excesses could perhaps be moderated.
naard 2 years ago 2
@naard - Our brains are not wired at all. We are not computers in the sense that we cannot change our wiring, however, we are 'programmable'. As we learn our brains shape and mold themselves accordingly, and this happens most in a persons early life. Our brain still has this "plasticity" as we get older, however it becomes harder (or takes more effort) to learn new things because over time our old beliefs, habits, ideas etc are made more concrete.
kramer303 1 year ago
@naard - Its not that we are wired for belief, its that ignorance has allowed a poisonous idea to propagate. And there will always be ignorance in the world as its the default position for everyone.
kramer303 1 year ago
"You can defend nothing" - which is precisely why you keep getting "trounced" rabbi...
faithisfiction 2 years ago 4
Is that a beer bottle? Mr Hitchens, you animal...
faithisfiction 2 years ago 3
A contradiction in terms.
faithisfiction 2 years ago
nothingness without end.. had something to do with judaism right? correct me if I'm wrong please :-) what is the rabbi saying at the end?
TICETOCAR 2 years ago
This rabbi is loud and very annoying.
SWAC424 2 years ago 7
why does the rabbi starts shouting on the top of his lungs? there's a mic in front of him, and he isn't on bill o'reilly's show...
johnnyvi 2 years ago 7
Because empty vessels make most noise.
sitemountain 2 years ago 14
He appears to think that the audibility of nothing renders its nothingness variable.
faithisfiction 2 years ago
fat jokes. damn religion is out of material.
(fat jokes kinda funny though, but hitchens is just big boned of coures).
TheRealEricLester 2 years ago
Shmuely does the best with what he has, meaning the tradition he has to uphold (and the commentaries make Judaism worthwhile because they soften the literalism of the Torah) and his abilities. But the need to be in front of a camera won't ever go away with him, even quoting another author from his own book (which he holds up to the camera) saying he left the original at home. He is addicted to the lights.
tokyobk 2 years ago
Religious people have their whole lives, families and communities wrapped up in religion. They have to defend it because they teach it to their kids. I know lots of religious people who are smart and live lives in complete alignment with scientific thought who don't let themselves critique their religion. Their mind shuts down because it has to be true.
tokyobk 2 years ago
yeah. its sad that some poeple are so cowardly.
TheRealEricLester 2 years ago
Rabbi needs to chill the fuck out.
inequitude 2 years ago 3
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02javis 2 years ago
bunch of 02javis using absolutly no logic to criticise what threatens his beleif system.
TheRealEricLester 2 years ago
Why are you offended?
"bunch of monkeys clapping"
please allow me to change my comment to
BUnch of asses clapping.
(where is the respect?)
is this ur offer of a better individual,? War is at your footstool.
you remind me of a clip of the
"planet of the apes"
FANATICS!
02javis 2 years ago
as far as im aware, that room is full of a subspecies of great called homo sapiens, not monkeys. but taxonomy aside, the better individuals are already here and the war now at our footstools will soon be at your neck as your chickens come to roost. thats not a threat, just a warning to stay out of adult businessand to stop toyin with things you don't understand.
TheRealEricLester 2 years ago
what are u aware of really?
most of the stuff u do or toy around every day,
u do uncounsiously by reflex,
there are kids who r smarter than u are, so why is this a business or adult discussion for that matter?
You dont agree, that these better people in this audience are clapping their asses off and r suppositely thinking?
scary hu?
02javis 2 years ago
the kids who are smarter than me are sure as shit mature enough to talk to me. you're not. half of your sentences don't even make sense. wtf are you talking about?
TheRealEricLester 2 years ago
i had to turn the volume down when Rabbi schmuck started screeching, yelling and throwing his arms around. his incoherent rambling is not worth a penny. i will fight with Hitchens against these idiots who are responsible for so much discord in this world. drop religion and the whole middle east problem is gone, not to mention coutless others. these people are killing each other day in, day out for no good reason.
upaste 3 years ago 8
I don't agree the problem would be gone. It would alter it slightly from 'God gave us this land' to just 'This land is ours!'. I agree that dropping religion would be a good start!
babyshambler 3 years ago
LOL... all moderators talk like that... is so bothering... so emotional... screaming doesnt make it truth... calm down..
Rubenvenezuela 2 years ago
The comment on the Israel/Palestine conflict is spot on. Why is the rest of the world dancing around the obvious, ie, remove the religious factor from the table and suddenly people will forget why they have been so fucking intransigent.
"There is no subject on which men are more immovable than their religious convictions"
So tragically true.
CheeseOnWheels 3 years ago 2
haha he starts with an ad hominem, how typical.
xenitro 3 years ago
ol' boateach is a bit of a bullshitter. his tenure at oxford was,according to richard dawkins,non-existent. is dawkins a liar? i don't think so.
blatspanner 3 years ago
Dawkins wouldn't lie about anything like that.
TheStig000 3 years ago
no,i don't suppose he would. the rabbi is admirable in some ways,but a bit of a huckster.
blatspanner 3 years ago
Anyone that needs to yell their argument at an audience is obviously trying to get an emotional reaction, not a logical one. If there was anything logical to his statements it would be just as good at a low volume and easier on the ears.
TheStig000 3 years ago 2
One whoole I found in the Rabbi's perspective is that God and religion must exist and be true for without it man would have no morals to govern himself. Also states man is not a good arbiter of good and evil, incapable of police oneself but yet he supports President Bush and the US obviously acting as an arbiter for Middle East. WOW, what a contradiction.
Luiches 3 years ago
I'm not sure which is heaven (where Shmuley is) and hell (where at least I can use my brain to think about things). I don't think its very pleasant either way. Not a very fair deal.
baalChrist 3 years ago
Schmuley is an arrogant, foolish twat, and there really isn't much else you can say about him. He's even more annoying here than in his other debates. He "won", did he? He certainly didn't in any of the ones I've watched.
KaminaGurren 3 years ago 6
its an insult to hitchens that this is what he has to argue against. The idea that the drivel and messianic tripe (at high volume) he comes up with even matches hitchens' brilliant dissertation
thegreatestbak 3 years ago 4
Agreed. However, I`m sure Hitchens is aware that the contrast between him and his opponent has made an impact on undecided (on religion) viewers. It`s worth it , overall.
KaminaGurren 3 years ago 2
It's like watching the NFL play middle school football players.
TheStig000 3 years ago 4
The rabbi is a bloody fool, and a loud one at that. All he does is whine and shout, he makes non-arguments and squawks alot. I've seen him debate or speak other times and he seems to think that his loud and lurid speeches are an effective means of swaying people. Boteach is a glorified street preacher, Hitchens is a debater. Cool and lofty logic ruins religious ranting every time. He behaved like a jackass.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 3 years ago
Seriously, i watched his other debate against Hitchens and it was like he was attempting to commit every logical fallacy in the proverbial book. Why do the religious let this guy debate for them, he is doing them a disservice?
JACKtheRIPP3R189 3 years ago
I'm sooooooooo glad, that I was not sitting in the audience and had to listen to Boteach. Richard Dawkins is right about Shmuley Boteach: "You[Boteach] shriek and yell and rant like Hitler." I'm glad, I can skip forward and listen to Hitchens, who actually HAS reasonable arguments, whereas Rabbi S. has nothing but lies - he simply lies through his teeth. I can't even feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for the audience though.
ExMuslim75 3 years ago 7
why? if anything shmuley shows us the wisdom of god, for the rabbi was put on this earth to make me feel smart, for if there were only hitchy i'd certainly feel like a dumbass.
zapopaul 3 years ago
I had no idea the wisdom of god lacks logic and presents stupidity. Any jackass can claim supernatural. Hitchens can beat Boteach down while sipping on a martini.
a012345 3 years ago
Where'd Richard Dawkins say that?
Bellantoni 3 years ago
Why is this idiot rabbi being encouraged. He just makes a scene. I have never seen him make a single argument in all the interviews I've seen him participate in.
vegansquared 3 years ago 2
Does that rabbi, apart from having stupid arguments, ( or barely even touch the actual subject ) do anything other than rant and shout? It might work selling religion to morons but not when you're trying to have an actual intelligent, factual debate.
lordzeno666 3 years ago 2
shmuley needs to stop yelling. what i shitty argument.
barry06 4 years ago 10
Shmuley held no official post at Oxford University, and he wasn't the universities Rabbi. Rather he headed a student organization (The L'Chaim Society ). He gives the impression that he was there in an official capacity, I think this is rather disingenuous of him. Whilst Dawkins did debate with the society, he remembers Shmuley's role for the most part as a moderator. As far as Schmuley claim to winning every debate goes I find hard to believe. Especially given the paucity of his arguments here
davapod 4 years ago 39
Nearly everyone claims to have won a debate. Religious, political e cetera. But "evolutionary doctrine" is a nice thing to say, as it shows his sheer imbecility when it comes even to the scientific method. But he i nearly right. There's no need to defend atheism. Atheism has not done anything that requires defending it. Religion on the other hand has done so many things that deserve to be attacked. Any political party with that history of bloodshed would be forbidden.
guitarsquiddy 4 years ago 4
Shmuley is a witless retard
mattblackcat 4 years ago 6
shmuley is a soft headed tit.
bodeezy 4 years ago 6
a true, strident, bible pounding believer. One wonders why even debate these fools, except to show the world the foolish face of religion and all its "glory". Shmuley's best debating tactic is to "pump up the volume"???!!?? (gag) Did he mistake the podium for his pulpit?
aokiji42 4 years ago 10
Oh wow, your (rabbi) arguments are much more effective when spoken more loudly. :P
HimmuraTube 4 years ago 4
To hear "You can't defend nothing!" as an argument from a religious person is really something.
earthling770707 4 years ago 26