These old men probably feel remorseful for what they stood for. They're just explaining what went on when they were children. They're not at fault at all. It was the evil men who controlled them.
I dont think people realise what a menace the Jews were to Germany,to many Germans it's as though their towns had been invaded by a swarm of flies,that set up shop undercut the locals,when the locals went bust the prices doubled etc etc,this happened all too oftern.Another reason why Jewish shops were marked out and were to be avoided as they damaged the local economy as jew only bought from jew and the money they took out never went back into circulation.Jews owned the big banks aswell
The Vatican certainly helped save some lives AFTER the war, helping wanted Nazi war criminals to escape justice by fleeing to South America. Look up Bishop Alois Hudal's biographical details, Cardinal Siri and the Vatican Ratline.
yet it was mostly the christians who tried to save jews. of course there were Catholic and protestant antisemites, but just about everyone in Germany at the time was a Christian. Its not that church members had something against the jews that non members didnt.
The first people sent to Auschwitz were Slovak Jews sent there by the Clerical fascist govt of Slovakia headed by the Catholic clergy. The most violent members responsible for genocide against the Slavs and the Jews were the Ustase who were blessed and encouraged by the Church.
It is true that some christians tried to save the jews, but Church doctrine was quite firmly in support of the fascists who believed until very recently that the jews bore a collective responsibility for deicide.
thats not true. u may think that the church supported the nazis, but thats only because the nazis had forcibly taken control over many churches. those who said anything ended up in camps or dead very quickly. but hitler even tried to have the pope arrested. most resistance came frmo the church. and the first prisoners at auschwitz were hungarian jews, by the way. u have to understand that antisemitism was part of mainstream society all over the world.
the church leaders that were left. u dont realize how disrespectful u are being. so many clergymen and other members of the church died alongside the jews, when they didnt have to, from all over europe. and hitler didnt like the pope, he tried to have him arrested. and dont use the term church so loosely. over 99% of Germans called themselves christians. bottom line is, without the treaty of versailles, hitler probably wouldnt have come to power. not just germany was responsible.
I never said that people did not die for what they believed and I never claimed that Germans were responsible for the Holocaust. I also wholly acknowledge the contribution of members of the White Rose and the participants of Operation Valkyrie. But it is also equally true that whilst people motivated by their individual conscience did act against Nazism, both the Lutheran and especially the Catholic Church did encourage anti-semitism.
of course there were people within the church who benefited from the nazis. but what u were saying, and what i find disgusting, is that the church as a whole encouraged the nazis, apart from organizations like the white rose. the church was powerless to stop the nazis, is what im saying. while some inside of it supported them, it is repulsive to say the church allied itself with hitler.
No it is not repulsive to say so. The Catholic Church signed the Lateran treaty with Mussolini. This treaty directly ensured that the Church was complicit with fascism. When the invasions of Slovakia the government was a clerical government headed by Monsignor Tiso a cardinal no less. The Pope did nothing to prevent the deportation of the jews of Rome. The Church blessed the actions of the Ustase when they massacred the Serbs as it affirmed the Catholic church as the only true church.
Yes the elements who bravely opposed the Nazis were exceptions not the norm. Also it was only after the second Vatican Council that the church stopped the prayer that accused the jews of Deicide. You seem to be too keen to let the Church of the hook for the atrocities they have committed. You also spoke abt Versailles, what did that have to do with the Holocaust? You also claim that antisemitism was mainstream as if that is an argument!! do you realise how repulsive& reptilian you are sounding
im not letting the church off the hook as a whole, just as i refuse to condemn it as a whole. yes antisemitism was mainstream. how many european countries have the jews not been persecuted or expelled from? and if u dont see what the treaty of versailles had to do with the nazi rise to power, then you know nothing.
its one thing to lose the war. but to blame the entire war on one country, then take every coin out of the economy, AND expect reparations for 70 years is simply asking for another war. add that to the great depression. the people obviously felt betrayed and humiliated, as indeed they were. there had been small right wing parties in germany for a long time, but desperate times call for desperate measures.the nazis went from being a joke to the dominant world power in a little over a decade.
a couple of things:one, signing the treaty wasnt voluntary. mussolini already had his grip firmly on all of italy. but secondly nd more importantly, fascism does not equal antisemitism! im amazed at either your extreme ignorance or bias. there were several prominent jews in the fascist party. the racial aspect was only introduced much later due to pressure from hitler. pope pius may have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. maybe he could have done more, regardless, he never approved of nazism.
@soccer21928 It may be repulsive to say the church was supportive of the regime, but frankly, it appears they certainly didn't condemn it either. And after 1945, more than one major Nazi player, Mengele, was sent off with the Church's blessings.
@PoliticalPars it appears the church chose to stay on the middle. i know the pope voiced his support to the poles when they were being invaded by germany. and apparantly hitler even wanted to arrest the pope. obviously that would have been a step too far. but like i said, i dont want to let the church completely off the hook and say theres nothing more it could have done (excommunicating hitler and goebbels could have been a start) but i also dont want to lay all the blame on the catholic church
@soccer21928 I absolutely do not "lay all the blame on the catholic church" but rather blame the entire system--government(s) and church, and certainly those who might have turned the tide on a war that lasted years and took nearly 60m lives.
@PoliticalPars so many were respondible. the treaty of versailles was just asking for another war. no one entity was responsible. the allies played a role in bringing about ww ii as well. world war ii wasnt germany's fault, it was a failure of mankind as a whole.
The documentary says "There was no room for God in Nazi Germany", but people in the footage talk about "God given" and "God gave us" and there's of course the belt buckle with "Gott mit uns".
The documentary does not claim that there was absolutely no religion in Germany. It just claims the Nazis tried to remove it from society. There were obviously some religous people in Nazi Germany.
Hmm, then of course for maximum efficiency they'd try to distance religious people from church while still keeping them satisfied by saying it is god's will that they support Hitler.
These old men probably feel remorseful for what they stood for. They're just explaining what went on when they were children. They're not at fault at all. It was the evil men who controlled them.
DuncansCPGuide 1 month ago
The little boy at 4:03 is sooo cute! thanks for the uploads!
allewen 3 months ago
@silver760 Looks like someone was brainwashed by the Hitler Youth
AugustDiaspora 5 months ago
I dont think people realise what a menace the Jews were to Germany,to many Germans it's as though their towns had been invaded by a swarm of flies,that set up shop undercut the locals,when the locals went bust the prices doubled etc etc,this happened all too oftern.Another reason why Jewish shops were marked out and were to be avoided as they damaged the local economy as jew only bought from jew and the money they took out never went back into circulation.Jews owned the big banks aswell
silver760 7 months ago
Who is the little boy @ 4:10 I see him often
lara16beth 7 months ago
i wonder what the world would be like if hitler took over the world . some messed up shit
justgetmegoin 9 months ago
i wonder what the world would be like if hitler took over the world . some messed up shit
justgetmegoin 9 months ago
@mrsoundwave Why, are you thinking of making yourself one ?
123itisfree 1 year ago
that guy a 2:03 looked liked a sneaky bitch
hitandrun6584 1 year ago 10
@2:40 damn give that thing a haircut!!
MauserK43 1 year ago
The Vatican certainly helped save some lives AFTER the war, helping wanted Nazi war criminals to escape justice by fleeing to South America. Look up Bishop Alois Hudal's biographical details, Cardinal Siri and the Vatican Ratline.
mjeshaw 2 years ago 5
Also Hitler's antisemitism emerged as a direct consequence of Catholic and Lutheran antisemitism
vikramkrishnan 2 years ago
yet it was mostly the christians who tried to save jews. of course there were Catholic and protestant antisemites, but just about everyone in Germany at the time was a Christian. Its not that church members had something against the jews that non members didnt.
soccer21928 2 years ago
The first people sent to Auschwitz were Slovak Jews sent there by the Clerical fascist govt of Slovakia headed by the Catholic clergy. The most violent members responsible for genocide against the Slavs and the Jews were the Ustase who were blessed and encouraged by the Church.
It is true that some christians tried to save the jews, but Church doctrine was quite firmly in support of the fascists who believed until very recently that the jews bore a collective responsibility for deicide.
vikramkrishnan 2 years ago
thats not true. u may think that the church supported the nazis, but thats only because the nazis had forcibly taken control over many churches. those who said anything ended up in camps or dead very quickly. but hitler even tried to have the pope arrested. most resistance came frmo the church. and the first prisoners at auschwitz were hungarian jews, by the way. u have to understand that antisemitism was part of mainstream society all over the world.
soccer21928 2 years ago
No Slovakian jews were the first. And yes the Church did actively support Nazism. The Pope was simply a tool.
vikramkrishnan 2 years ago
the church leaders that were left. u dont realize how disrespectful u are being. so many clergymen and other members of the church died alongside the jews, when they didnt have to, from all over europe. and hitler didnt like the pope, he tried to have him arrested. and dont use the term church so loosely. over 99% of Germans called themselves christians. bottom line is, without the treaty of versailles, hitler probably wouldnt have come to power. not just germany was responsible.
soccer21928 2 years ago
I never said that people did not die for what they believed and I never claimed that Germans were responsible for the Holocaust. I also wholly acknowledge the contribution of members of the White Rose and the participants of Operation Valkyrie. But it is also equally true that whilst people motivated by their individual conscience did act against Nazism, both the Lutheran and especially the Catholic Church did encourage anti-semitism.
vikramkrishnan 2 years ago
of course there were people within the church who benefited from the nazis. but what u were saying, and what i find disgusting, is that the church as a whole encouraged the nazis, apart from organizations like the white rose. the church was powerless to stop the nazis, is what im saying. while some inside of it supported them, it is repulsive to say the church allied itself with hitler.
soccer21928 2 years ago
No it is not repulsive to say so. The Catholic Church signed the Lateran treaty with Mussolini. This treaty directly ensured that the Church was complicit with fascism. When the invasions of Slovakia the government was a clerical government headed by Monsignor Tiso a cardinal no less. The Pope did nothing to prevent the deportation of the jews of Rome. The Church blessed the actions of the Ustase when they massacred the Serbs as it affirmed the Catholic church as the only true church.
vikramkrishnan 2 years ago
Yes the elements who bravely opposed the Nazis were exceptions not the norm. Also it was only after the second Vatican Council that the church stopped the prayer that accused the jews of Deicide. You seem to be too keen to let the Church of the hook for the atrocities they have committed. You also spoke abt Versailles, what did that have to do with the Holocaust? You also claim that antisemitism was mainstream as if that is an argument!! do you realise how repulsive& reptilian you are sounding
vikramkrishnan 2 years ago
im not letting the church off the hook as a whole, just as i refuse to condemn it as a whole. yes antisemitism was mainstream. how many european countries have the jews not been persecuted or expelled from? and if u dont see what the treaty of versailles had to do with the nazi rise to power, then you know nothing.
soccer21928 2 years ago
its one thing to lose the war. but to blame the entire war on one country, then take every coin out of the economy, AND expect reparations for 70 years is simply asking for another war. add that to the great depression. the people obviously felt betrayed and humiliated, as indeed they were. there had been small right wing parties in germany for a long time, but desperate times call for desperate measures.the nazis went from being a joke to the dominant world power in a little over a decade.
soccer21928 2 years ago
a couple of things:one, signing the treaty wasnt voluntary. mussolini already had his grip firmly on all of italy. but secondly nd more importantly, fascism does not equal antisemitism! im amazed at either your extreme ignorance or bias. there were several prominent jews in the fascist party. the racial aspect was only introduced much later due to pressure from hitler. pope pius may have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. maybe he could have done more, regardless, he never approved of nazism.
soccer21928 2 years ago
I would have to agree. If they didn't sign that treaty they wouldn't have agreed with fascism.
LittlePinky82 2 years ago
@soccer21928 It may be repulsive to say the church was supportive of the regime, but frankly, it appears they certainly didn't condemn it either. And after 1945, more than one major Nazi player, Mengele, was sent off with the Church's blessings.
PoliticalPars 1 year ago
@PoliticalPars it appears the church chose to stay on the middle. i know the pope voiced his support to the poles when they were being invaded by germany. and apparantly hitler even wanted to arrest the pope. obviously that would have been a step too far. but like i said, i dont want to let the church completely off the hook and say theres nothing more it could have done (excommunicating hitler and goebbels could have been a start) but i also dont want to lay all the blame on the catholic church
soccer21928 1 year ago
@soccer21928 I absolutely do not "lay all the blame on the catholic church" but rather blame the entire system--government(s) and church, and certainly those who might have turned the tide on a war that lasted years and took nearly 60m lives.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Be well.
PoliticalPars 1 year ago
@PoliticalPars so many were respondible. the treaty of versailles was just asking for another war. no one entity was responsible. the allies played a role in bringing about ww ii as well. world war ii wasnt germany's fault, it was a failure of mankind as a whole.
soccer21928 1 year ago
The documentary says "There was no room for God in Nazi Germany", but people in the footage talk about "God given" and "God gave us" and there's of course the belt buckle with "Gott mit uns".
Rimmer7 2 years ago
The documentary does not claim that there was absolutely no religion in Germany. It just claims the Nazis tried to remove it from society. There were obviously some religous people in Nazi Germany.
macnos 2 years ago
Hmm, then of course for maximum efficiency they'd try to distance religious people from church while still keeping them satisfied by saying it is god's will that they support Hitler.
Rimmer7 2 years ago
There's also pictures of them at Catholic services.
LittlePinky82 2 years ago