Top down approach, whether you call it a "messiah" or "chosen one" or "leader" isn't always the best strategy. I think it would be wiser to stop looking for someone to lead, and start trusting yourselves more. Once you give up the skill of making decisions, the mind only decays.
@qigong1001 you can lead and make decisions-for small issues. for greater matters that are unclear you need to ask Moses-see EXODUS 18 VERSE 22 AND 26
@rabbichaimmoshe That may be necessary for some, but Moses can barely help with specifics, like my accounting, much less for bigger issues. I haven't looked at these books that are behind you, but wisdom comes from everywhere. Why limit your resources?
@qigong1001 accounting is a small issue you can take on.how to deal with people especially enemies requires great wisdom.the aclu falls into your trap of thinking that they are the guardians of truth but they are small and the issue is large
@rabbichaimmoshe I wish accounting was a small issue. But in this day and age, it can make or break a family, a group, or even a nation. ACLU? But its a good question to think about...who is the guardian of truth? ACLU is composed of fallible men, so they often fail. Books are written by men who are fallible, so they fail too. Suggesting a supernatural entity, with its numerous conceptions by men must also be fallible. Its best not to be obsessed with "truth" which cannot be found.
@rabbichaimmoshe I don't claim to have any answers. I have suggestions that I occasionally offer people, but people should make up their own minds. That is what the "mind" is for.
Learn the lesson from Jews. Messiah came but they rejected. According to Jews prophecies are not yet fulfilled. Prophet Alija was suppose to come. Jews are still awaiting for Alija to come from sky physically. Jesus told that John the Baptist is Alija (metaphorically). But Jews denied. Likewise Messiah Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad came to Muslims but they did not accept him. Progress of Ahmaidyya is a proof that he is true Messiah but still he is being abused by Mullah
@Tosa4751 before you speak,know about the subject. you are ignorant and know nothing about the Jewish Messiah,except that you accept Muhammed's assertion that Jesus was the Messiah.that is Islam's take which has nothing to do with the truth.
you have no knowledge or understanding of this topic.
however-know this,the Messiah will rule over all the Jews and will succeed in bringing peace to the whole world.Jesus was no king over Israel and his followers only brought wars to the world.
@rabbichaimmoshe Jesus died for the iniquities of us all and through Him God made the New Covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Juda as it is written. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah; not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; ...
@rabbichaimmoshe ...forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, saith the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people; and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: 'Know the LORD';...
@rabbichaimmoshe ...for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more. *** Through the New Covenant God will forgive all their iniquity and how will this happen? You read the Word, but you fail to understand. So it is written: All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath made to light on him the iniquity of us all.
@rabbichaimmoshe Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; whereas we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed. *** Jesus is not the King of Israel, then say it in the name of God of Abraham, otherwise be silent. In the NAME of the God of Abraham Jesus Christ is the King of Israel.
@HamalachMichael you are firstly mistranslating Isiah 53 secondly it has nothing to do with jesusas well documented by the sages and Nachmanedes in his disputation with pablo xiany
@rabbichaimmoshe I am mistranslating Isaiah 53? But the quotes are from the hebrew translation, on one side you have hebrew and on the other english. I did not translate it, it is those whom know biblical hebrew and english that did. Now write me what is the more right translation than the one I ave provided you? Your sages are not the authority, but God's Word is the authority and the Word speaks for Itself.
@HamalachMichael i don't have that translation i just know the Hebrew the translation is that rather-our desrved sickness he accepted and our hurt he bore-this goes on Israel
who suffered and brought forgiveness to all of the nations-we thought he was being punished by G-D (but we were wrong)
the righteous accept pain so that others will not be punished-nowhere is there reference to jesu
@rabbichaimmoshe You write "our desrved sickness he accepted and our hurt he bore-this goes on Israel who suffered and brought forgiveness to all of the nations". How can this be true when the WORD says "By oppression and judgment he was taken away, and with his generation who did reason? for he was cut off out of the land of the living, for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due.".Israel are the people of God to whom the stroke was due...
@HamalachMichael again you go on with a translation i know not of-i gave you the translation from Rashi's commentary,go there-there are english translations and argue with Rashi.btw the majority of the commentaries write that this applied to the entire people of Israel.a minority write this with regards to the Messiah-please see the conversation between Rabbi Yehoshua Ben Levi and Elijah in Sanhedrin 98B toward the bottom of the page
@rabbichaimmoshe The translation I use is the same Jews4Judaism would use and basically Jews I have spoken to before would use that translation, because it is the translation based on the Masoretic Text that is the authoritative Hebrew text of the Jewish Bible. Commentaries are not the Word of God and the Word speaks for Itself and it would be illogical for Isaiah 53 to be speaking about Israel, for the reason I have written to you already.
@HamalachMichael again i don't have the translation you have but i suspect it is a king james version known for its' errors. as to the meaning of the prophets' statements,the commentaries are older and more authoritative than ANY ENGLISH TRANSLATION.
you don't know HEBREW-i do! you don't know any of the background of this chapter because you are ignorant and haven't learned the chapters preceding 53 as dealing with Israel and referring to the people in singular context-so sush!
@rabbichaimmoshe ככתוב בישעיהו נד:ה [כי בעליך עשיך, יהוה צבאות שמו; וגאלך קדוש ישראל, אלהי כל-הארץ יקרא.] God is the Redemer not Israel, as it is written in Isaiah 54:5. What is written before Isaiah 53 and after Isaiah 53 does not change the fact that Isaiah 53 does not speak about Israel bearing the iniquities of us all. You did not read properly what I wrote, if you did then you would know where come from the quotes I quote from.
@HamalachMichael this is the famous Rony Akora text-G-D is your redeemer-and will be pronounced the G-D of all the earth-not the Messiah and certainly not yeshu son of pondira the raper of miriam
@rabbichaimmoshe Jesus is the Son of God, your Redeemer and He did not come to destroy you, but to renew you, so that God can give you a new spirit. There is nothing in the Talmud about Jesus Christ, the person you are refering to lived in a different time than Jesus Christ did. All the persons called Jesus that are mentioned in the Talmud none of them lived in the times Jesus Christ did, hence there is no record of Jesus Christ in the Talmud.
@HamalachMichael G-D has no sons-all allusions to this are anthrophomorphic
not literal
as to yeshu-this is not a talmud but a midrash however,Sanhedrin quotes the story of the death of his students. they certainly knew him and the parts dealing with him were taken out by xian censors-they knew him and rejected him and his teachings
@rabbichaimmoshe God has no sons? God said "I said: Ye are godlike beings, and all of you sons of the Most High.". And God did say He beget a Son as written "'Truly it is I that have established My king upon Zion, My holy mountain.'I will tell of the decree: the LORD said unto me: 'Thou art My son, this day have I begotten thee.". My knowledge is not my knowledge, you do not even know who I am and in all you write you still did not make your claim in the Name of God of Abraham.
@rabbichaimmoshe Yes it is written "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh: Thus saith the LORD: Israel is My son, My first-born." and it is also written "I will cause them to walk by rivers of waters, in a straight way wherein they shall not stumble; for I am become a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My first-born.", but Psalm 2:6-9 speaks of a king and Who is the King of Israel? Only God is the King of Israel and the Son God has begoten is a King.
@FreeAbsence I already said the main message in the Name of the God of Abraham that Jesus Christ is the Messiah the Son of God and I have not met a Jew that claims Jesus Christ is not the Messiah that would say it in the Name of the God of Abraham. I would not say what I say unless I did not know it is the Truth. Those that have seen the Light know the Truth of by heart. I do not make my claim in my own name, but in God's Name. I know the consequence to speak Lie in the Name of God.
@FreeAbsence That I speak the Truth, means that I am a block in people's way? If a person is a block to someone it means that the block is really in their heart. This is how Hitler thought, he thought the Jews to be a disease, an obstcle, a block as you would call it, but the disease was inside of him, the illness and lack of wisdom. Jeremiahu was sent by God to speak the Word of God, yet they wanted to kill him for speaking the Truth. Do not say Peace, for Peace is only in Truth.
@FreeAbsence Anyone that speaks the Truth does the will of God, for Satan has deceived many with many lies and the Truth is only One. Mankind can not be united as one and divided in the Truth, each having a different Truth, such unity is not unity it is an illusion, that will sooner or later colapse. If I was working against God, then you would praise what I say, but as I do not come in my own name, I serve the One in Who's Name I have spoken. אמן
@HamalachMichael someone who says amen to his own blessing is a disbeliever
you have sealed your own fate here.
regarding your statements-if you persist i will remove you from commenting.you have had your say and there is nothing new there for me to even argue with. you obviously don't want the truth just what you want the truth to be. so please convince yourself elsewhere.
if you have a question on what i have said say it and i will respond-to this i need not respond further.
@rabbichaimmoshe Those that judge will be judged.Did what I write is a Lie?If so then tell me what Lie have I spoken and if I did not Lie, then what has God against what I have written? If God has nothing against what I have written, then what have you against it? As I have written no Lie, it means I have written the Truth and the Truth does not come from me, hence the Words are not mine,but God's.את האש שבוערת בתוך הלב שלך. רוח הקודש ילמד אותך את האמת זה חג הפסח.בשם ישו ישו אמן
@rabbichaimmoshe ...you make of the Word of God that what you want it to be, not that what It Is. It can not be Israel, because the stroke is due to Israel and He was killed for the sins of Israel. The Word does not say what is the Name of the Servant, but the description points to Jesus Christ. Jews are not the only people that suffered in the history and how can sinful men die for the sins of sinful men to bring forgiveness. Sinful men die for their own sins.
@rabbichaimmoshe The Servant from Isaiah 53 is a SIngle Person Who was cut from the land of the living for the eniquities of us all. In order for Him to die for our iniquities to bring forgiveness of our sins to us all, that Servant needs to be without Sin, otherwise a servant that sinned dies for he deserves death, for the sting of death is sin and those that sin die. I told you the Truth in the Name of God and you can not do that, because you do not know the Truth.
@rabbichaimmoshe The Servant in Isaiah 53 is the One through whom the New Covenant is made and if you do not see the connection, between the Signs of the New Covenant that is that God will forgive all your iniquities and remember your sins no more and the Servant from Isaiah 53 that bore all your iniquities, then you are either BLIND or you can not read.
@rabbichaimmoshe How do the Jews see Jesus Christ? They see Him as a criminal, a sinner? You despise Him? Therefore the Word is your Judge to open your eyes, for it is written "By oppression and judgment he was taken away, and with his generation who did reason? for he was cut off out of the land of the living, for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due. And they made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich his tomb". He was killed as a criminal would be killed.
@rabbichaimmoshe And though you have hardened your heart and even in the light of the Truth of the Word of God you still see not, it is soon that you will know. האש תבער בלב את הפסח
I feel sorry for u guys. You really have no idea!!!
Think about it, from the corners of the earth Millions believe in him as held him as the promised Messiah! From the least to the greatest. But for some reason you say everyone is wrong who believe in him. I see it now. Pride!!! Pride caused satan to fall from heaven, and it looks like it will cause you be end up where he is when it is all said and done.
You are a child of the Devil. This is clear, cause u do not believe.
@Dawitness11 So what if millions from across the globe believe he is messiah they are all wrong. Numbers mean nothing by your same logic muslims must be correct in their belief that their hero was a legitmate prophet. This is nothing to do with pride it is about standing up to the truth fearlessly even if you're the only one left. My dear brother the ony one who is steeped in blasphemy is you holding that Creator wore diapers by being born to a woman as a baby think about that.
@26astar You never read the virgin will give birth and he shall be called Immanuel which means "God with us." Jesus made it clear many many times that he was God, and he was one with god, and that God is one. Just cause you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong. Jesus said "I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE" Thats God. Have you read "Abraham will be a father of MANY NATIONS?" So far you think that is just you jews. But God made it clear that the gentiles will find hope in the Messiah.
@Dawitness11 I'm not going to waste my time with you said your piece and i've said mine. Your so called proofs are nauseating. No matter how may times you call black white it will always be black. In the same manner no matter how many times you call yeshua G-d he will always be a man get that through your head man is limited the Creator is unlimited. Death can't affect the Creator but it affected yeshua and many other clear examples.
@26astar The prophets did prophecy that his own people will not believe in him. "The stone they rejected, has become the capstone." Only God could make us right with Himself. Jesus Crushed the head of the serpent, just like he was prophecyed to. DEATH could not hold him, DEATH was the last enemy to defect. Behold, he lives. 3 days later he conquered the grave."I am the resurrection and the life." - Jesus. The spirit has been poured out on us, you guys are died, and remain in your sin.
@Dawitness11 on the contary the nation of Yisroel will embrace Him as it is written And He will set up an ensign for the nations, and will assemble the dispersed of Israel, and gather together the scattered of Judah from the four corners of the earth. I think you need to re-read the prophets my friend and stop trying to rip cetain verses out of context
@26astar thats great that you have said this, cause that is exactly what Jesus has done. I also figured that you would say that I am speaking out of context. That is the only thing you guys hold to. We are the scattered of Israel, we are the remnant of the most high. We are the holy priest hood. But you are not, for the wrath of God still remains on you. God paid for our sins once and for all though his sacrifice. Jesus is the perfect passover lamb. The old was just a foreshadow of the new.
@Dawitness11 like i said you need to re-red the prophets before makiing statements the verse i quoted is about a future event let continue with the rest of the chapter shall we And they shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines on the west; together shall they spoil the children of the east; they shall put forth their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them And the LORD will utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea
@26astar NO YOU NEED TO RE-READ THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW!! Cause you would clearly see that the Lord desires mercy over sacrifice. The Lord Jesus is coming on a swift cloud and will do what he said into that day this gospel will be preached as a testimony from the ends of the earth. You choose to shut him out cause you say in your heart to many people follow him. You are selfish and just want God for yourself. Even so great Jewish leaders believed in Jesus. You put God in a box, big mistake!
@Dawitness11 you contradict yourself you say the Creator desires mercy not sacrifice which Judaism does not deny but rather teaches but you on the over hand say He desires mecry not sacrifice but intist he has to sacrifice a human in order to appease His wrath which is it pal sacrfice or mecry Judaism teaches it is mercy thats why we reject the cruci-Fiction
@26astar I never said that. I see how you read, You read only what you wanna hear. I said "Mercy over sacrifice" you where not chosen to believe. Jesus made this clear that the father draws them in. The ones who do not believe are seeds of satan. There is no more excuse. Now the whole entire world knows The Laws of Moses, and the prophets through the testimony of Jesus christ. Amazing God is. He spoke to use in these last days through his son.
@26astar I don't know what that says!!!! But let me tell you that there is no excuse. Jesus showed you who he was by what he did, yet you do not believe him. You say Lord give me a sign and he gave you the sign of Jonah, for Jonah was in the belly of the fish for 3 days and 4 nights, so the son of man was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights. He did this for only his remnant, The promise that was given to Abraham, the Lord will provide a sacrifice! The old was a foreshadow!!!!!!
@Dawitness11 thats how shallow you are whether i said mercy not sacrifice or mercy over sacrifice is irrelevant it makes no sense in you quoting that scripture if your going to cling onto the cruci-fiction myth because you want emphaize that it is the Creator's priority to merciful but then you say He does that by commiting suicide why can't He forgive a person if they just repent no you have to complicate things by saying repentance means you have believe the Creator killed himself
@26astar Jesus laid down his life for you and I. Our sins where the cause of his death. You think you are so wise but you are a fool. You reject the good news of God, you reject the Messiah, you reject the Manna from heaven, you make out Moses and the prophets to be a lie by your dis-belief. For if you did not believe Moses and the prophets neither will you be convinced if someone should rise from the grave.
@Dawitness11 really i'm a fool yet you're the one who claims the Creator wore diapers and then commited suicide think about it no really liten to the blasphmeous your mouth speaks
@26astar God was God from the beginning. He was before Abraham. You do not understand the spirit. Even the 3 WISE men came from a far to bow down and worship him, even after his birth. He was even a threat to king Herod when he was a baby. The list goes on, and then out of Egypt God called his son. AS you see Israel surrounded by armies you will know that his return is near. For he will not return into you say "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."
@26astar I hope that by now the spirit of God has come over you and you are feeling his awesome presence. You see even when you read the words of this gospel the spirit is there. I do this not for my honor, no, its not about me. I am only a messager. and what he does with his message rs is this, he anoints them. I am not alone the spirit testifies that what I say to you is the truth, the truth shall set you free. Believe in him as your Lord and savior and you will be saved!
@Dawitness11 and with His scorching wind will He shake His hand over the River, and will smite it into seven streams, and cause men to march over dry-shod. Now tell me you xtians are fulfillment of that prophecy theres what you say and theres what the Creator says through Moshe Rabbeynu (A''H) and ye shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel
@26astar You really think you would come up with something that can contradict the new covenant? who are you? Jesus will do this when he returns, on a swift cloud. We see that is being set up now with Egypt falling, and Lydia in submission. The End of the age prophecys are fulfilling, as a matter of fact A big one was set up yesterday with the South Sudan becoming a nation, for the Lord will see the banner in the south from mount Zion and give it a gift. Cause this nation is christian.
@Dawitness11 Another thing there is no new covenant The Messiah was meant to cause that prophecy earlier that i quoted you the first time around hence why yoshke cant't be messiah and last in regards to the prophecy it reads And THEY shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines on the west; together shall THEY spoil the children of the east; THEY shall put forth THEIR hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey THEM so it means "you" will be fighting
@26astar Yes there is a new covantant, these are the days when the God will remember are sins no more, and the young men shall dream dreams, etc. You are missing out, let me tell you. For my eyes has seen the Lords salvation. You problem is that you think Jesus remained in the grave, and as u should for your fathers had you believe that and it remains today. Jesus is alive, understand?
Jesus does come back to fight. He rides on a horse with the sword of his mouth and the armies of heaven.
hello, just because reincarnation was not mentioned in any book until 16th century does not mean these great sages did not know of its wisdom, besides this knowledge of kabbalah that is reincarnation was an inner received knowledge as all hidden wisdom that was passed from teacher to student .Only if one wil read it with a simple mind will understand it as a simple "Pshat" fashion.
@Hotrap86 VERY THOUGHTFUL,HOWEVER THEY WERE SPEAKING TO AUDIENCE TO STRENGTHEN THEIR FAITH. THAT AUDIENCE CERTAINLY DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GILGULIM.THEREFORE IT WAS SAID SIMPLY AND MEANT HAT WAY. ANY ATTEMPT TO IMPUTE GILGUL TAKES THE WHOLE DISCUSSION OUT OF WHACK AS THERE IS LITTLE DIFFERENCE IF BOTH MESSIAHS PUT FORTH
ARE JUST NAMED FOR DAVID OR DAVID'S REINCARNATED SOUL. ALSO SOMEONE NAMED THE SAME IN THE FAMILY GETS A SPARK OF THAT SOUL.IT IS AN UNTENABLE PSHAT.
Top down approach, whether you call it a "messiah" or "chosen one" or "leader" isn't always the best strategy. I think it would be wiser to stop looking for someone to lead, and start trusting yourselves more. Once you give up the skill of making decisions, the mind only decays.
qigong1001 5 days ago
@qigong1001 you can lead and make decisions-for small issues. for greater matters that are unclear you need to ask Moses-see EXODUS 18 VERSE 22 AND 26
rabbichaimmoshe 5 days ago
@rabbichaimmoshe That may be necessary for some, but Moses can barely help with specifics, like my accounting, much less for bigger issues. I haven't looked at these books that are behind you, but wisdom comes from everywhere. Why limit your resources?
qigong1001 5 days ago
@qigong1001 accounting is a small issue you can take on.how to deal with people especially enemies requires great wisdom.the aclu falls into your trap of thinking that they are the guardians of truth but they are small and the issue is large
rabbichaimmoshe 5 days ago
@rabbichaimmoshe I wish accounting was a small issue. But in this day and age, it can make or break a family, a group, or even a nation. ACLU? But its a good question to think about...who is the guardian of truth? ACLU is composed of fallible men, so they often fail. Books are written by men who are fallible, so they fail too. Suggesting a supernatural entity, with its numerous conceptions by men must also be fallible. Its best not to be obsessed with "truth" which cannot be found.
qigong1001 4 days ago
@qigong1001 you can get a comp program to do it quickly. the Torah is G-D'S law and
has the answers.people like you don't want to believe that anyone except themselves have the answers.
rabbichaimmoshe 4 days ago
@rabbichaimmoshe I don't claim to have any answers. I have suggestions that I occasionally offer people, but people should make up their own minds. That is what the "mind" is for.
qigong1001 3 days ago
@rabbichaimmoshe Maybe Greece should have used Turbo Tax??
qigong1001 3 days ago
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FreeAbsence 2 weeks ago
My Dear Muslim Brothers
Learn the lesson from Jews. Messiah came but they rejected. According to Jews prophecies are not yet fulfilled. Prophet Alija was suppose to come. Jews are still awaiting for Alija to come from sky physically. Jesus told that John the Baptist is Alija (metaphorically). But Jews denied. Likewise Messiah Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad came to Muslims but they did not accept him. Progress of Ahmaidyya is a proof that he is true Messiah but still he is being abused by Mullah
Tosa4751 1 month ago
@Tosa4751 before you speak,know about the subject. you are ignorant and know nothing about the Jewish Messiah,except that you accept Muhammed's assertion that Jesus was the Messiah.that is Islam's take which has nothing to do with the truth.
you have no knowledge or understanding of this topic.
however-know this,the Messiah will rule over all the Jews and will succeed in bringing peace to the whole world.Jesus was no king over Israel and his followers only brought wars to the world.
rabbichaimmoshe 1 month ago
@rabbichaimmoshe Jesus died for the iniquities of us all and through Him God made the New Covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Juda as it is written. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah; not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; ...
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe ...forasmuch as they broke My covenant, although I was a lord over them, saith the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people; and they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: 'Know the LORD';...
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe ...for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more. *** Through the New Covenant God will forgive all their iniquity and how will this happen? You read the Word, but you fail to understand. So it is written: All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath made to light on him the iniquity of us all.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; whereas we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed. *** Jesus is not the King of Israel, then say it in the name of God of Abraham, otherwise be silent. In the NAME of the God of Abraham Jesus Christ is the King of Israel.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@HamalachMichael you are firstly mistranslating Isiah 53 secondly it has nothing to do with jesusas well documented by the sages and Nachmanedes in his disputation with pablo xiany
rabbichaimmoshe 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe I am mistranslating Isaiah 53? But the quotes are from the hebrew translation, on one side you have hebrew and on the other english. I did not translate it, it is those whom know biblical hebrew and english that did. Now write me what is the more right translation than the one I ave provided you? Your sages are not the authority, but God's Word is the authority and the Word speaks for Itself.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@HamalachMichael i don't have that translation i just know the Hebrew the translation is that rather-our desrved sickness he accepted and our hurt he bore-this goes on Israel
who suffered and brought forgiveness to all of the nations-we thought he was being punished by G-D (but we were wrong)
the righteous accept pain so that others will not be punished-nowhere is there reference to jesu
rabbichaimmoshe 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe You write "our desrved sickness he accepted and our hurt he bore-this goes on Israel who suffered and brought forgiveness to all of the nations". How can this be true when the WORD says "By oppression and judgment he was taken away, and with his generation who did reason? for he was cut off out of the land of the living, for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due.".Israel are the people of God to whom the stroke was due...
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@HamalachMichael again you go on with a translation i know not of-i gave you the translation from Rashi's commentary,go there-there are english translations and argue with Rashi.btw the majority of the commentaries write that this applied to the entire people of Israel.a minority write this with regards to the Messiah-please see the conversation between Rabbi Yehoshua Ben Levi and Elijah in Sanhedrin 98B toward the bottom of the page
rabbichaimmoshe 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe The translation I use is the same Jews4Judaism would use and basically Jews I have spoken to before would use that translation, because it is the translation based on the Masoretic Text that is the authoritative Hebrew text of the Jewish Bible. Commentaries are not the Word of God and the Word speaks for Itself and it would be illogical for Isaiah 53 to be speaking about Israel, for the reason I have written to you already.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@HamalachMichael again i don't have the translation you have but i suspect it is a king james version known for its' errors. as to the meaning of the prophets' statements,the commentaries are older and more authoritative than ANY ENGLISH TRANSLATION.
you don't know HEBREW-i do! you don't know any of the background of this chapter because you are ignorant and haven't learned the chapters preceding 53 as dealing with Israel and referring to the people in singular context-so sush!
rabbichaimmoshe 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe אתה יודע עברית? אז אתה כותב לי בעברית, בסדר?
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@HamalachMichael the phrase is ketov ly beivrit not atto kotev ly
this underscores my previous comments about your knowledge
while it is more than your xian laeity it still is superficial.
rabbichaimmoshe 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe ככתוב בישעיהו נד:ה [כי בעליך עשיך, יהוה צבאות שמו; וגאלך קדוש ישראל, אלהי כל-הארץ יקרא.] God is the Redemer not Israel, as it is written in Isaiah 54:5. What is written before Isaiah 53 and after Isaiah 53 does not change the fact that Isaiah 53 does not speak about Israel bearing the iniquities of us all. You did not read properly what I wrote, if you did then you would know where come from the quotes I quote from.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@HamalachMichael this is the famous Rony Akora text-G-D is your redeemer-and will be pronounced the G-D of all the earth-not the Messiah and certainly not yeshu son of pondira the raper of miriam
rabbichaimmoshe 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe Jesus is the Son of God, your Redeemer and He did not come to destroy you, but to renew you, so that God can give you a new spirit. There is nothing in the Talmud about Jesus Christ, the person you are refering to lived in a different time than Jesus Christ did. All the persons called Jesus that are mentioned in the Talmud none of them lived in the times Jesus Christ did, hence there is no record of Jesus Christ in the Talmud.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@HamalachMichael G-D has no sons-all allusions to this are anthrophomorphic
not literal
as to yeshu-this is not a talmud but a midrash however,Sanhedrin quotes the story of the death of his students. they certainly knew him and the parts dealing with him were taken out by xian censors-they knew him and rejected him and his teachings
rabbichaimmoshe 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe God has no sons? God said "I said: Ye are godlike beings, and all of you sons of the Most High.". And God did say He beget a Son as written "'Truly it is I that have established My king upon Zion, My holy mountain.'I will tell of the decree: the LORD said unto me: 'Thou art My son, this day have I begotten thee.". My knowledge is not my knowledge, you do not even know who I am and in all you write you still did not make your claim in the Name of God of Abraham.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@HamalachMichael there are other quotes-like "my first born son is Israel"
you are sons to Hashem your G-D"
still it is all anthrophomorphic
rabbichaimmoshe 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe Yes it is written "And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh: Thus saith the LORD: Israel is My son, My first-born." and it is also written "I will cause them to walk by rivers of waters, in a straight way wherein they shall not stumble; for I am become a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My first-born.", but Psalm 2:6-9 speaks of a king and Who is the King of Israel? Only God is the King of Israel and the Son God has begoten is a King.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
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FreeAbsence 2 weeks ago
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FreeAbsence 2 weeks ago
@FreeAbsence I already said the main message in the Name of the God of Abraham that Jesus Christ is the Messiah the Son of God and I have not met a Jew that claims Jesus Christ is not the Messiah that would say it in the Name of the God of Abraham. I would not say what I say unless I did not know it is the Truth. Those that have seen the Light know the Truth of by heart. I do not make my claim in my own name, but in God's Name. I know the consequence to speak Lie in the Name of God.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
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FreeAbsence 2 weeks ago
@FreeAbsence That I speak the Truth, means that I am a block in people's way? If a person is a block to someone it means that the block is really in their heart. This is how Hitler thought, he thought the Jews to be a disease, an obstcle, a block as you would call it, but the disease was inside of him, the illness and lack of wisdom. Jeremiahu was sent by God to speak the Word of God, yet they wanted to kill him for speaking the Truth. Do not say Peace, for Peace is only in Truth.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@FreeAbsence Anyone that speaks the Truth does the will of God, for Satan has deceived many with many lies and the Truth is only One. Mankind can not be united as one and divided in the Truth, each having a different Truth, such unity is not unity it is an illusion, that will sooner or later colapse. If I was working against God, then you would praise what I say, but as I do not come in my own name, I serve the One in Who's Name I have spoken. אמן
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@HamalachMichael someone who says amen to his own blessing is a disbeliever
you have sealed your own fate here.
regarding your statements-if you persist i will remove you from commenting.you have had your say and there is nothing new there for me to even argue with. you obviously don't want the truth just what you want the truth to be. so please convince yourself elsewhere.
if you have a question on what i have said say it and i will respond-to this i need not respond further.
rabbichaimmoshe 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe Those that judge will be judged.Did what I write is a Lie?If so then tell me what Lie have I spoken and if I did not Lie, then what has God against what I have written? If God has nothing against what I have written, then what have you against it? As I have written no Lie, it means I have written the Truth and the Truth does not come from me, hence the Words are not mine,but God's.את האש שבוערת בתוך הלב שלך. רוח הקודש ילמד אותך את האמת זה חג הפסח.בשם ישו ישו אמן
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
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FreeAbsence 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe ...you make of the Word of God that what you want it to be, not that what It Is. It can not be Israel, because the stroke is due to Israel and He was killed for the sins of Israel. The Word does not say what is the Name of the Servant, but the description points to Jesus Christ. Jews are not the only people that suffered in the history and how can sinful men die for the sins of sinful men to bring forgiveness. Sinful men die for their own sins.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@HamalachMichael again words without proof or content
rabbichaimmoshe 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe The Servant from Isaiah 53 is a SIngle Person Who was cut from the land of the living for the eniquities of us all. In order for Him to die for our iniquities to bring forgiveness of our sins to us all, that Servant needs to be without Sin, otherwise a servant that sinned dies for he deserves death, for the sting of death is sin and those that sin die. I told you the Truth in the Name of God and you can not do that, because you do not know the Truth.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe The Servant in Isaiah 53 is the One through whom the New Covenant is made and if you do not see the connection, between the Signs of the New Covenant that is that God will forgive all your iniquities and remember your sins no more and the Servant from Isaiah 53 that bore all your iniquities, then you are either BLIND or you can not read.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe How do the Jews see Jesus Christ? They see Him as a criminal, a sinner? You despise Him? Therefore the Word is your Judge to open your eyes, for it is written "By oppression and judgment he was taken away, and with his generation who did reason? for he was cut off out of the land of the living, for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due. And they made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich his tomb". He was killed as a criminal would be killed.
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
@rabbichaimmoshe And though you have hardened your heart and even in the light of the Truth of the Word of God you still see not, it is soon that you will know. האש תבער בלב את הפסח
HamalachMichael 2 weeks ago
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Yeshua's Numbers = 1140 (english gematria)
--->11:40 PM = 23:40
--->The Number of the Messiah = 234 (english)
Yeshua's Numbers = 1128 (reverse english gem.)
--->11/28 (nov 28) = 333rd Day (Leap Year)
--->The Number of the Messiah = 333 (reverse english)
ClockNumerology 3 months ago
YESUHA is the MESSIAH, He is the passover holy lamb, The high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@Dawitness11 NO YESHUA IS NOT THE MESSIAH. He is the idol of everyone who believes in the un-holy document called the n.t Rahamana Litzlan
26astar 7 months ago
@26astar BLASPHEMY!
I feel sorry for u guys. You really have no idea!!!
Think about it, from the corners of the earth Millions believe in him as held him as the promised Messiah! From the least to the greatest. But for some reason you say everyone is wrong who believe in him. I see it now. Pride!!! Pride caused satan to fall from heaven, and it looks like it will cause you be end up where he is when it is all said and done.
You are a child of the Devil. This is clear, cause u do not believe.
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@Dawitness11 So what if millions from across the globe believe he is messiah they are all wrong. Numbers mean nothing by your same logic muslims must be correct in their belief that their hero was a legitmate prophet. This is nothing to do with pride it is about standing up to the truth fearlessly even if you're the only one left. My dear brother the ony one who is steeped in blasphemy is you holding that Creator wore diapers by being born to a woman as a baby think about that.
26astar 7 months ago
@26astar You never read the virgin will give birth and he shall be called Immanuel which means "God with us." Jesus made it clear many many times that he was God, and he was one with god, and that God is one. Just cause you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong. Jesus said "I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE" Thats God. Have you read "Abraham will be a father of MANY NATIONS?" So far you think that is just you jews. But God made it clear that the gentiles will find hope in the Messiah.
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@Dawitness11 I'm not going to waste my time with you said your piece and i've said mine. Your so called proofs are nauseating. No matter how may times you call black white it will always be black. In the same manner no matter how many times you call yeshua G-d he will always be a man get that through your head man is limited the Creator is unlimited. Death can't affect the Creator but it affected yeshua and many other clear examples.
26astar 7 months ago
@26astar The prophets did prophecy that his own people will not believe in him. "The stone they rejected, has become the capstone." Only God could make us right with Himself. Jesus Crushed the head of the serpent, just like he was prophecyed to. DEATH could not hold him, DEATH was the last enemy to defect. Behold, he lives. 3 days later he conquered the grave."I am the resurrection and the life." - Jesus. The spirit has been poured out on us, you guys are died, and remain in your sin.
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@Dawitness11 on the contary the nation of Yisroel will embrace Him as it is written And He will set up an ensign for the nations, and will assemble the dispersed of Israel, and gather together the scattered of Judah from the four corners of the earth. I think you need to re-read the prophets my friend and stop trying to rip cetain verses out of context
26astar 7 months ago
@26astar thats great that you have said this, cause that is exactly what Jesus has done. I also figured that you would say that I am speaking out of context. That is the only thing you guys hold to. We are the scattered of Israel, we are the remnant of the most high. We are the holy priest hood. But you are not, for the wrath of God still remains on you. God paid for our sins once and for all though his sacrifice. Jesus is the perfect passover lamb. The old was just a foreshadow of the new.
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@Dawitness11 like i said you need to re-red the prophets before makiing statements the verse i quoted is about a future event let continue with the rest of the chapter shall we And they shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines on the west; together shall they spoil the children of the east; they shall put forth their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them And the LORD will utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea
26astar 7 months ago
@26astar NO YOU NEED TO RE-READ THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW!! Cause you would clearly see that the Lord desires mercy over sacrifice. The Lord Jesus is coming on a swift cloud and will do what he said into that day this gospel will be preached as a testimony from the ends of the earth. You choose to shut him out cause you say in your heart to many people follow him. You are selfish and just want God for yourself. Even so great Jewish leaders believed in Jesus. You put God in a box, big mistake!
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@Dawitness11 you contradict yourself you say the Creator desires mercy not sacrifice which Judaism does not deny but rather teaches but you on the over hand say He desires mecry not sacrifice but intist he has to sacrifice a human in order to appease His wrath which is it pal sacrfice or mecry Judaism teaches it is mercy thats why we reject the cruci-Fiction
26astar 7 months ago
@26astar I never said that. I see how you read, You read only what you wanna hear. I said "Mercy over sacrifice" you where not chosen to believe. Jesus made this clear that the father draws them in. The ones who do not believe are seeds of satan. There is no more excuse. Now the whole entire world knows The Laws of Moses, and the prophets through the testimony of Jesus christ. Amazing God is. He spoke to use in these last days through his son.
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@Dawitness11 That is assuming you are really the children of Yisroel Rahamana Litlzan
26astar 7 months ago
@26astar I don't know what that says!!!! But let me tell you that there is no excuse. Jesus showed you who he was by what he did, yet you do not believe him. You say Lord give me a sign and he gave you the sign of Jonah, for Jonah was in the belly of the fish for 3 days and 4 nights, so the son of man was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights. He did this for only his remnant, The promise that was given to Abraham, the Lord will provide a sacrifice! The old was a foreshadow!!!!!!
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@Dawitness11 thats how shallow you are whether i said mercy not sacrifice or mercy over sacrifice is irrelevant it makes no sense in you quoting that scripture if your going to cling onto the cruci-fiction myth because you want emphaize that it is the Creator's priority to merciful but then you say He does that by commiting suicide why can't He forgive a person if they just repent no you have to complicate things by saying repentance means you have believe the Creator killed himself
26astar 7 months ago
@26astar Jesus laid down his life for you and I. Our sins where the cause of his death. You think you are so wise but you are a fool. You reject the good news of God, you reject the Messiah, you reject the Manna from heaven, you make out Moses and the prophets to be a lie by your dis-belief. For if you did not believe Moses and the prophets neither will you be convinced if someone should rise from the grave.
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@Dawitness11 really i'm a fool yet you're the one who claims the Creator wore diapers and then commited suicide think about it no really liten to the blasphmeous your mouth speaks
26astar 7 months ago
@26astar God was God from the beginning. He was before Abraham. You do not understand the spirit. Even the 3 WISE men came from a far to bow down and worship him, even after his birth. He was even a threat to king Herod when he was a baby. The list goes on, and then out of Egypt God called his son. AS you see Israel surrounded by armies you will know that his return is near. For he will not return into you say "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@26astar I hope that by now the spirit of God has come over you and you are feeling his awesome presence. You see even when you read the words of this gospel the spirit is there. I do this not for my honor, no, its not about me. I am only a messager. and what he does with his message rs is this, he anoints them. I am not alone the spirit testifies that what I say to you is the truth, the truth shall set you free. Believe in him as your Lord and savior and you will be saved!
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@Dawitness11 and with His scorching wind will He shake His hand over the River, and will smite it into seven streams, and cause men to march over dry-shod. Now tell me you xtians are fulfillment of that prophecy theres what you say and theres what the Creator says through Moshe Rabbeynu (A''H) and ye shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel
26astar 7 months ago
@26astar You really think you would come up with something that can contradict the new covenant? who are you? Jesus will do this when he returns, on a swift cloud. We see that is being set up now with Egypt falling, and Lydia in submission. The End of the age prophecys are fulfilling, as a matter of fact A big one was set up yesterday with the South Sudan becoming a nation, for the Lord will see the banner in the south from mount Zion and give it a gift. Cause this nation is christian.
Dawitness11 7 months ago
@Dawitness11 Another thing there is no new covenant The Messiah was meant to cause that prophecy earlier that i quoted you the first time around hence why yoshke cant't be messiah and last in regards to the prophecy it reads And THEY shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines on the west; together shall THEY spoil the children of the east; THEY shall put forth THEIR hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey THEM so it means "you" will be fighting
26astar 7 months ago
@26astar Yes there is a new covantant, these are the days when the God will remember are sins no more, and the young men shall dream dreams, etc. You are missing out, let me tell you. For my eyes has seen the Lords salvation. You problem is that you think Jesus remained in the grave, and as u should for your fathers had you believe that and it remains today. Jesus is alive, understand?
Jesus does come back to fight. He rides on a horse with the sword of his mouth and the armies of heaven.
Dawitness11 7 months ago
hello, just because reincarnation was not mentioned in any book until 16th century does not mean these great sages did not know of its wisdom, besides this knowledge of kabbalah that is reincarnation was an inner received knowledge as all hidden wisdom that was passed from teacher to student .Only if one wil read it with a simple mind will understand it as a simple "Pshat" fashion.
Hotrap86 7 months ago
@Hotrap86 VERY THOUGHTFUL,HOWEVER THEY WERE SPEAKING TO AUDIENCE TO STRENGTHEN THEIR FAITH. THAT AUDIENCE CERTAINLY DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GILGULIM.THEREFORE IT WAS SAID SIMPLY AND MEANT HAT WAY. ANY ATTEMPT TO IMPUTE GILGUL TAKES THE WHOLE DISCUSSION OUT OF WHACK AS THERE IS LITTLE DIFFERENCE IF BOTH MESSIAHS PUT FORTH
ARE JUST NAMED FOR DAVID OR DAVID'S REINCARNATED SOUL. ALSO SOMEONE NAMED THE SAME IN THE FAMILY GETS A SPARK OF THAT SOUL.IT IS AN UNTENABLE PSHAT.
GUT SHABBOS
rabbichaimmoshe 7 months ago
@rabbichaimmoshe Thank you
Hotrap86 7 months ago