Train Snow Plow Getting UnStuck 4 of 5

[losiboy454]

Wow, snow must have glued it together, lot of engines on there, that would be sweet to watch

[DennyRec]

That's interesting 6 engines can hardly move it. So they rock it back and forth, like we do a car.

[nicksmth33]

i think chuck had too much cocaine

[SPS148669]

Thier rocking it back and forth!

[MAJazzy08]

trains are cool

[DoubleDipperBrian]

I don't understand why the engineer didn't lay some sand and give it full throttle when he was finally moving. It's not like he was going to break a knuckle or anything. To break out of snow, you gotta hit it hard. And I mean HARD. That's something that city people just don't get.

[joek0617]

more horsepower! break out the propane!

[fishingcanada1]

that v plow is stuck like a screw, get er in the spring!!

[ConductorJasta]

Canvassing for a rescue turn..... wanna take it?

[ChanFram]

jeeze! get a wind buffer!

[walle000]

did you win your leaf? If not do a K20 swap to your Civic and make 1000 horsepower and help pull this train out.

[danwat1234]

@walle000 Hahah you must watch my channel to know that I have a civic! Yeap but I'd still have the traction problem.. I do have train horns on my Civic .. hornblaster HB4H !!

[WWWNRG]

and how is it over?

[chughes375]

@WWWNRG I don't understand, do you mean the Nissan Leaf competition?

[pardomtlca]

thats alot of engine! wonder how much it could pull

[danwat1234]

@pardomtlca I could pull 10s of thousands of tons of freight.

[Pbergo]

@danwat1234 ur one strong beast! :D

[danwat1234]

@pardomtlca *it* could pull

[576418221sds]

HOW MANY THOUSAND HP?

[danwat1234]

@576418221sds 6 locomotives, so about 18,000 horsepower, maybe as much as 26,400 horsepower if each loco has a 4400HP engine (like the Dash 9).

But these engines don't sound to be working that hard, a lot of wheelslip is going on in this vid

[123hardcoretyp]

@danwat1234 wheelslip on a lokomotive? wth?

[HijenA]

@danwat1234 from the sound of the engine i'd say it's an EMD 645E3 turbocharged engine with 3.3k HP in every loco (so 19.800 HP in total). the same engines are in SD-40 locos (and variations). Croatia (my country) also has a small number of EMD locos (designated HZ 2063 class in Croatia) which are built like SD-40 models and have the same engine (their weight is reduced however to 120 tons).

[576418221sds]

Takes a few minutes to actualy do it all.

[lcht2]

even a locomotive cant conquer the power of mother nature!

[danwat1234]

@lcht2 ... hey.. did you vote on my Nissan Leaf video??

Just asking because I have no idea if anybody is clicking on the link and helping me win this car! "to everyone": I get about 1000 views a day on this youtube video, and how many are helping me get an electric car?

[danwat1234]

@lcht2 and Im glad you like my train clip

[danwat1234]

Please vote up my drivenissanleaf video! You can make the difference of whether I win the car and you get a test drive, or not!

[danwat1234]

@danwat1234 And if your a woman that votes for my drivenissanleaf video, you can get a kiss form me! There, now you have incentive ;)

[chughes372]

@danwat1234 Hey Man! I voted for you! I hope you win that car brotha

[rcguy8038]

How many engines do you need lol? Just wait til summer, no snow!

[trainzeiro]

Could you stuck your camera nexttime, please.

[tubaSHANK]

Southern Pacific shouldn't it say Northern????

[576418221sds]

@tubaSHANK  HA ha

[GWR4079]

this is the reason why you need coupled wheeled engines more traction

[kellingc]

Looks like they're going to need to break out the rotary. How far from Donner's Pass is this point anyway?

[jdoggybizzle]

are we seriously arguing about gasoline vs. electric cars on a video of a train getting out of a snow bank?

[hwoods01]

Just wait there, and Al Gore's global warming will set it free.. Just ask Gore, he'll tell ya ALL about it..

[AKxALLxDAYx]

Jet fuel is unlimited, US Super Carriers make there fuel on board they all have people that make it.

[danwat1234]

Huh what kind of fuel do they make on-the-go? I don't believe you

[GWR4079]

@danwat1234 hydrogen lol the make it from water and store it as a gas

[danwat1234]

@GWR4079 , I hate hydrogen cars. Electrolisis is Stupid inefficient. No better than a ICE.

[GWR4079]

@danwat1234 same i hate this eco shit and shit like this i want good old coal powered stuff

[Opiuth]

@danwat1234 and its soo damn smarter to use fossil fuled cars.. right? Ask your self why the US government dont endorse development of fusion technology?

Cause it would sin all the energy companies in US and abroad. So simply speaking US owes the world the clean air..ffs!

[tompi88]

jet fuel aka Kerosene is not unlimited.

[roaddiablo]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA< only in science fiction movies kid. They do not. you must be getting Nuclear confuse with fuel.

[TS9321]

Dig it out with a front end loader thats all...

[akbychoice]

Have you seen the ones that use a jet engine to melt the sno w and ice ? Mostly they blow it out of the way, but then if it doesn't move the heat melts it.

[danwat1234]

I haven't heard of a jet engine snow melter! Sounds like a big waste of fuel, kind of like driving gasoline cars instead of electric cars .. sigh

Would like to see a pic or video though!

[Mcmerc01]

@danwat1234 no no no electric cars are no better than gasoline cars, gasoline cars are better than electric cars.

[danwat1234]

@Mcmerc01, bullcrap.

Have you done the research? Gas cars cannot be more than ~20% efficient. All the rest is wasted as heat or unburned fuel. Have you ever wondered how much heat is generated by your car and how much farther your car could go if that energy wasn't wasted? I mean for one, you basically have the same amount of heat that your clothes dryer kicks out the side of a house, coming out the exhaust pipe.

[Mcmerc01]

i believe 65% of energy from internal combustion is dissipated through heat and other factors, but you have to think, where does the electricity come from when you charge it? I will stnad by my word UNTILL they begin to harevest electricity more economically such as wind turbines etc... besides im not excited to drive a clothes dryer; in which case probably a toyota. since its about money, they will use petrol untill its all gone

[danwat1234]

@Mcmerc01 , True, True. I like my engine too. I like 'em. It's just that they suck (energy).

Besides, who says driving a hummer with a 200,000 watt electric motor isn't fun ;) I don't like electric cars that are super quiet.. they suck too (boring, like on Jay Leno's test drive of the Chevy Volt).

Yes, I agree that charging up with the grid, the energy will be made from coal or oil itself and there are losses of power as it goes through the system to your house. But smart grid is coming...

[Mcmerc01]

yeah your right, unfortunatly though it will be a long time untill we start seeing electric cars in their masses, might as well enjoy petrol while it lasts

[huckbeduck]

most of our electricity comes from coal which is at most 30% efficient by the time it reaches the end user

[myguitarkeepsmesane]

@Mcmerc01 wind power simply isnt suffecient enough. if anything wind power is a big waste of money, but our government wont tell you that. im all for being for efficent but only if it is something that actually is efficent and produces enough energy to actually matter

[catman3126b]

yeah no kidding where do people think that electricity comes from?........it comes from coal, natural gas, or hydro, they just have to make more elctricity from one of these sources to make the power form electric cars to run on. and wind power AINT gonna cut it!

[Mcmerc01]

of course wind power alone wont cut it. but i didnt say wind power ALONE i said when they combine other viable sources, then your in business...gosh

[ccoraxfan]

Other viable sources... it's called nuclear power. You're right, wind power alone cannot take care of our energy needs. Non-baseband sources like wind and solar power can only supplement other sources like hydro, coal and nuclear. Hydro power is pretty much at capacity and cannot be expanded. Coal and nuclear are the only two expandable baseband sources which are really practical, and nuclear is the cleanest.

[Mcmerc01]

correct, but quite simply an electric car is not answer. Hybrids, possibly...electric no.

[ccoraxfan]

@Mcmerc

Hybrids *are* electric - they are gasoline-electric or diesel-electric. And so far you have argued against electric vehicles without giving a single argument against them, so what is your argument? Why do you say no to electric vehicles and insist on burning petroleum?

[Mcmerc01]

hybrids are NOT electric, hybrids are hybrids, as in, more than one source that powers the car. But an all electric rechargeable car is not the answer but a car that can recharge its own batteries, I have my own theory which does not matter. But there are cars with this technology but at this present time they are not quite the answer as they have to be further refined. I am not insisting on burning petrol, hunger for money (not naming any names in the industry) insist on burning petrol.

[ccoraxfan]

All current hybrid vehicles are partly electric. And again, you keep saying that 100% electric cars are not the answer, yet you don't say WHY. If you can't say WHY electric cars are "not the answer", then your argument falls apart.

[Mcmerc01]

I don't feel necessary to argue in depth on youtube, but seeing as your actually a pretty good guy, I actually might justify my argument. Full electric cars need to be recharged constantly, their recharge time outweighs their driving distance. That said, to maximise the driving distance, there is no possibility of adjusting this for driver enjoyment on that journey, fuel stations are very difficult since people do not wish to be "filling" for 3 hours. Electricity comes from coal, which pollutes.

[ccoraxfan]

Newer charging and battery technology allows rapid recharging from high-power charge stations, and if the super capacitors now in development become viable, they can recharge fully in a matter of seconds. The days of the overnight or even 3 hour recharge will be past us.

[Mcmerc01]

It pollutes less than fossil fuels, but it still pollutes. This means, people will still be complaining. Just like they have even though petrol fueled cars have come a very long way in a relatively short time of 100 years. There is still a very large amount of research required before we can fully utilise electric vehicles. Then the issue of getting such a HUGE population to fully switch over, which takes time. Me, personally, i'd probably keep a petrol car.

[ccoraxfan]

Okay, well your objections can be answered. Electric cars can be very useful for commuters, because they have good enough range to get to work and back, and they can be charging while at work. Yes, there is still some pollution from electric power plants, but it is much easier to control power plant emissions than it is to control automobile emissions, and many power plants have no emissions at all. Yes, every technology has its advantages and disadvantages, so NONE should be ruled out.

[Mcmerc01]

@ccoraxfan fair enough, but unfortunately there won't be a change any time soon, I'd put my bets that around 2015-2016 is when there will be a big move in this technology.

[ccoraxfan]

As long as petroleum products are readily available there will be less incentive to develop alternatives. If petroleum becomes too hard to obtain then other technology will take over. The automotive industry does not like change.

[Mcmerc01]

@ccoraxfan that's exactly what I have been trying to say lately...

[GWR4079]

@ccoraxfan simply this is a train vid and you have to burn more coal or create more nuclear waste to make more electricity!

[danwat1234]

@GWR4079 "@ccoraxfan simply this is a train vid and you have to burn more coal or create more nuclear waste to make more electricity! "

Yea, but are more Joules (heat from a chemical reaction) used to make electricity from coal or nuclear, transfer it thru the power lines and pump it into a battery pack on a electric car, or is more Joules used to drive a 1.6L gasoline car? What about a diesel car?

Whichever uses the least net Joules is the more efficient process of driving.

[BeeRich33]

Uh, what seems to be the problem? Back it up and ram the crap out of it.

[kevdm9999]

love the sound

[detroitsports77]

i wonder if a rotary would get stuck like this wedge plow?

[haarstad88]

yeah if its to much snow!

[aronoffkid]

they can get thoes thing up to 60 !

[pete5668]

Anybody got a shovel? :)

[DeWitteB]

1....2....3.... push!!!!!!!!

[AlexSali]

why dont they do a reverse and rush it with speed?

or is that stucked???

[DustyR101]

I dont really think you can "rush" a train with speed, especially when you can only move back and forth ten feet

[Skurgefaust]

the key thing to remember here is that these guys know how to get this shit unstuck better than anyone else, no reason to question their methods.

[rjman159]

READ THE TITLE

[sicilian12345]

You cannot just back a train up in this situation and just "ram" into it. You have to realize snow this thick and heavy is similar to running into a wall which in return could cause a derailmeant therefore causing more problems.

[mcr0928]

They tried in the prev video..but.. this is how they got stuck.

[j45007]

Nice Filming!

[484684984]

They will bust a knuckle at this rate.

[kdlehel]

Bring the rotary

[stodd32]

yea that movie runaway train I need some f#%cking shoes manny

[techphy100]

reminds me of that movie 'Runaway Train' for some reason.

[spf150]

That is ALOT of horsepower!

[janipt]

But no traction :/

[Kreez8]

Why is there a Santa Fe and Southern Pacific locomotive, aren't these rival companies now?

[imprezzed42296]

Neither company has existed for quite a few years now. Southern Pacific was absorbed by the Union Pacific, and Santa Fe is part of the BNSF.

[Kreez8]

Exactly, the SP and ATSF were rivals then and what they were absorbed by are rivals now, so how did these two locomotives get together? Or was the ATSF engine being leased?

[techphy100]

they probably sold them and the companies bought them to whoever won the bid on them. The CSX line and the NS line run into Mobile but you never see the trains together. CSX uses some exConrail power down here.

[pruitt3507]

Im in Indiana, i do see some Conrail trains that are with NS.

[ShellShock1967]

Did this happen over a period of days?

Just how long did it take to remove that Plow?

[danwat1234]

I don't know sorry. Ask youtube username :: "railroad33"

[ShellShock1967]

Ok, thanks though. =D

[lusagra]

Trobo que és molt monòton.

[TeeDee87]

This should be named like really nice turbo noices or so on :D

[kingrolandofdruidia]

To awnser a few questions,far as i know caterpillar does/have not made a locomotive specific primemover, the could be found however in small 40 ton or less industrial switchers if order so. About the size of the primemover the lead locomotive looks like a sd45t-2 and most likely would have a 645e3 v20 3,600hp in it i believe. 645ci per cylinder so 20x645=12,900ci. you have to remember that its not pushing the snow just in front of it but several yards in front. it adds up fast lots of resitance

[diesel118]

I don't get it, how can a train get stuck pushing a pile of snow? These big daddies pull over 50 cars that weigh tons. I do have a question for the trainy experts. Does caterpillar make an engine for a train? I always wondered that. -Deezull-

[danwat1234]

From what I have heard, the locomotives were slipping on the tracks, that is how it got stuck, I have no doubt that they could have pushed through if they had grip. But then again I've never worked for the railroad..

[taofledermaus]

Just proves you can get anything stuck. You have to realize how many TONS of snow and ice they are trying to push through.  You have steel wheels frozen, slippery steel rails. It's like pushing your car while wearing ice skates. They have to rely on pure momentum to keep from stopping and getting stuck.

[diesel118]

yea that's true. What if the rails and wheels was'nt frozen could it do it? I always wanted to know how much one of these engines can pull.

[BurningTirez]

Do you realize how much snow that is? Thats is hundreds of tons of resistance. The trains have metal wheels. Metal on metal, you figure it out.

[jburrows2009]

thats right we dont mess around here in colorado. and yes this is in colorado, check the origial vid of it getting stuck, it says that it is outside of limon colorado, which is about 45 min west of denver

[happyfac3]

limon is east of denver. :-)

[racsito39]

That is a lot of stress of the chassis!

[racsito39]

I mean, .. for the chassis.

[faribaultcounty100]

Is this a 2 day thing? On parts 2 and 3 looked like the sun was setting. Now here it's up.

[billysandals]

only god knows the amount of torque those 12,000 cubic inch v12s put out. am i correct about each cylinder having 1,000 ci displacement? they used to have that info on howstuffworks but they took it down:angry:

[95concours]

The sound of all that Horse power is enough to give a 90 year old woman an erection for a week streight.

[EagleTalons1]

just a little more speed and what is in motion might have stayed in motion.

[mpwelk]

For those who enjoy giant turbodiesels screaming...

[MPG350]

Doesn't seem like power was the issue just traction?

[halonerd04]

it must of been strong wind there

[scada4321]

Where's the sense of using flangers when a rotary would've solved the problem in the first place?

Oh...the front office says, it's too slow and we have to keep a sked....well, if that be the case,sked not withstanding, where's the economy in a flanger?

Yes, and history just keeps repeating itself...

...Jim

[CPRRailfan]

well it looks like its a little local railroad so i dont think they could affort a rotary..but i agree it woula been better.

[canadiantimberwolf1]

Its a simple case of Rolling back and forth and back and forth only train style..

[Livingchaos5623]

This is not a case of the units not having enough power to pull the plow back. It is halted by two factors. If one axle on one-unit slips all units reduce power canceling out any momentum you get. Secondly, would be drawbar strength of the plow or lead coupler on the lead 45T-2. If they were to just rip back in run 8 even if they didn't slip they would rip the E5 apart and then not only would have to still dig the plow out but replace at least one coupler. Power in this case is not everything.

[wildfire19861987]

there's problay enought power there to pull a loaded coal train up cajon pass!

awsome mix of engines also!

[lurkyturkey332]

cool, where is this?

[kdlehel]

if forcing the engines in the bogey then will burned down.

[danwat1234]

Bogey def. from wikipedia:: "a chassis or framework carrying wheels, as on a train carriage or locomotive."

So your saying that the engines have more inertia than the frame of the locomotives, so the engines are trying to push forward while the chassis is stopping, and this can cause a fire?

Sure, I guess, except it seemed like a pretty gentle snow collision to me.

[danwat1234]

It's not an ass train, you dolt!

[woodyoutwo]

thats you, its a pussy ass, train.. happy now

[Bish66]

dreadful child

[landyman110]

All that horsepower and nature still grips like a vice!!. you gotta respect that. (Or wait till the spring and it thaws :):):))

[qnuts]

Close to 20,000 HP on that train and it is still stuck, Wow!

[Pockets1989]

over 30,000 i think

[dni252]

That'd be 5000hp a unit average... and I don't see many AC6000CWs around

[warftrat87]

thank you

[1hijax]

Kyle Railroad operates 550 miles of track in Kansas and Colorado. According to their website.

[Nmemonicus]

SP is long gone  long live the Mighty SP

[trevorandy]

what happened to sp? ive seen a few other ppl mention its gone but i haven't asked why till now. im guessing it was bought out by up or something?

[BoredTrucker1902]

I am curious, can the train back-up and hit the snow at full throttle? Why won't they do that?

[dirpidirp]

Plow might ride up and off the rain. Engine wheels might follow the plows path, and pretty soon you got a problem. (Engine lying sideways in big pile of snow = problem)

[warftrat87]

i know its a south pacific train but does anyone know where this is?

[Jaanfo]

Actually, Read the red engine... It's Kyle railway, maybe that will help (as I still don't know where it is either)

[sirloxelroy]

Northern Kansas or Colorado. railroad33 knows exactly where. But the Kyle Railroad is in Northern Kansas and a little in Colorado.

[regal105]

can you imagine all the smoke if the trains were all 4-8-8-4 big boys all 25 of them in operating condition... no to mension the length lol

[USZ71]

theres about 24000 combined hp!!!

[xeltinyx]

Cool videos man. Its nice seeing the SPs at work, brings a tear to my eye sense don't see em much anymore now the UP took over west coast.

[SF3751]

Ya, the one thing I hate to see these days is a Tunnel Moter in UP paint.

[Jonny4472]

it took alot of trains to budge it

[oscerr]

Sounds very cold out there.

[theAteam]

thats badass