any fool can see that this thing in lake Van is clearly not a fake. It's clearly a real living animal of some type. Doesn't even remotely resemble an elephant, and the idea that it could be elephant is totally illogical for several reasons. This is very clearly a real and as of yet unknown animal species. But that's about all we can scientifically say about it for certain. Any further postulations are a matter of personal opinion until we get some more information.
i don't know an elephant with red/brown colored skin!!! often they're grey ;-) and have a strong neck - this thing its neck is becoming thinner and thinner by leaving the skull and following backwards. a real unknown aquatic animal or some artificial building to pull tourists, scientists and at least money to lake van ;-) but i think its a real animal
at 4:30 it looks like the tip of the head of an elephant, trying to swim and possibly drowning. exhaling air from its trunk underwater. im sure they have lots of exotic pets in turkey for sure.
@RocketJones38 Hello from Turkey. Let me say an interesting thing to you. Recently a researcher has found an Ottoman document that mentions the existence of a creature in this lake one century ago but its existence is still a mystery. There is an unpopular politician whose name is Doğu Perinçek, who is famous for anti-American propoganda, in Turkey. He claimed that this monster was a CIA submarine. :):)
hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahaha elephant? people will make up anything to explain mysteries but it makes even less sense.... ELEPHANTS DONT LIVE IN DEEP SALTY LAKES WTF??????
why do reporters always act like there is just one of these in each lake? the sightings could be of several different of the same species, how do you think they reproduce..
@kittysaurusRAWR That's just what I was going to say! If they do indeed exist, there has to be a population of them. No single creature could ever have a lifespan of 65 million years!
Seriously, if this one is fake too I wouldn't dare to imagine what the next will be? Then, you can invent a world-threatening dinosaur with wings and pretend, that it's real. This one is definitely too real to be a hoax.
I believe it is a hoax to attract tourist. I have been researching Lake Van for decades and now within last few years this story emerges. The only fish in Van are the Pearl Mullet. They are not large or plentiful enough to support a large carnivore that is 49' long. With local fishermen depleting the Pearl Mullet it leaves nothing for the monster. Some whales can live on plankton but this is no whale. It is probably a huge rotting log from near Tatvan area.
Also any such "monster" would have to be at least a breeding pair to last for centuries. There are no such paired sightings nor even babies. At Loch Ness, Congo, and Vermont USA there are such sightings adding to the validity of such creatures. The water is too brackish to support such a life form. And no connection to sea or large rivers.
for starters there not "sea monsters" there just ancient creatures thought to be extinct that arn't extinct... 95% of ocean is unexplored.... and just because dinosaurs died out whats to say sea dinosaurs did. some live so deep they never see light so whats it matter whats happening above. what would they eat? plenty of fish in the sea. MEGALODON does not exist. sorry to say. probably just a big great white or something.
its impossible for a giant creatures to live in this time.what should they eat??fi they it many fish the fish on that lake probably finished so there is no more fishes
elephant? weirdos! shape of skull - wrong! color - wrong! no reddish/brown exists, eyes much to high, no ears and a thin neck. elephant has a very well built neck and and and NO ELEPHANT
All initial descriptions of such creatures follow an outdated scientific view of how these creatures, when the did exist, moved and swam. In many cases, even recent sightings have been based more on older descriptions than what science now knows to be true.
The plesiosaur and related aquatic dinosaurs were air breathers, and would have to surface every 1 - 2 hours for air. This, combined with viable breeding population numbers, should result in far greater number of sightings. However in general, sighting numbers have decreased in the last 25 years.
The plesiosaur and other similar dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, in the KT extinction event. No fossils of these, or anything similar, have been found in the intervening period. If they survived, there would be fossils.
A minimum breeding group is required for there to be a viable DNA pool. A minimum breeding population of more than 100 animals is required per location for survival. This should produce far more sittings in each location.
I think that champ and possibly nessie are real and are water dinasours. Only and ignorant person would say it's impossible because who really knows for sure?
@RisaLovelyComplex, how is not believing in lake monsters such as nessie ignorant? Surely the idea that a dinosaur could populate a lake for so long without being seen is ignorant in itself, if nessie was a plesiosaur then we'd see it everyday, they were air breathers and they'd be coming to the surface often, plus, we'd see more than one creature. There is absolutely no evidence for nessie whatsoever. I would guess that large eels could be responsible.
If it lives underwater, of course we don't see it everyday! I didn't say it was a plesiosaur, I said water dinasour. But it could be a plesiosaur, perhaps these creatures evolved? It is not impossible. You have your opinion, I have mine, and I'm really not in the mood for an argument.
@RisaLovelyComplex, All i'm saying is my family is Scottish, i live in Liverpool, i travel up there all the time and i spent a decent 4 or 5 summers as a child by the loch, no dinosaur. The only reason people believe it is because of the hoaxed surgeons photo from the 30's. Where is the other evidence? Nowhere. I believe that there are large eels in these big lakes that are giving credence to "serpent" stories. You'd need a more than one to sustain a population and people barely witness even 1.
Even if you never saw it, many many people have claimed to have seen it. You are very stupid if you think one photo convinced people it exists. There is allot of evidence, but it can't be proved right of wrong. Do some research before you post something you don't have know about. And I belive that anythings possible, and obviously there are things that man has yet to have discovered.
There isn't even enough food in the loch to sustain a population of creatures like "nessie," thats proof enough right there to say that its a legend and nothing more. Mis-identification, hoax, legend etc... thats not evidence.
Look, you are closed minded. People probably didn't belive in giant squids before either, until it was proved to be real. People like you won't ever belive until you see it. But i'm not like that. I belive there is some mystery in the world. That mabey at least on of those legends just may be true. And even with people like you in the world, people like me continue to belive because we understand that we don't know everything about the world.
How can you call me close minded because i don't believe that there is a monster in the loch? Thats not being close minded, its called having common sense dear. You don't know everything about the world, neither do i, but you know what i do know? That the loch ness monster is a myth.....
Saying its IMPOSSIBLE is close minded because you can't know for sure, no matter how much you think you know. I understand that it may be hard to belive because of the living conditions of this lake, but just as I can't prove it exists, you can't prove it dosen't.
Do me a favour, copy and paste me the sentence where i used the word "impossible..." I can't prove that it doesn't exist no more than i can prove that smurfs don't exist, get my point? Its not up to me to prove anything, if you believe its real then surely you must provide me with something more than...."the world is mysterious.."
Because, I don't feel like I need to see it to belive it. I belive in some of the people who have claimed to have seen it. If i saw it, I would want someone to belive me. I'm sure you'd feel the same way. So I can't prove it's real, but I'm not just going to say that all those people were crazy.
I don't think that they're all crazy, but i don't think that they all saw a monster either. There are lots of things in the loch that people constantly mistake for monsters.
From what i have gathered over the years, i would say that a large eel is responsible for these sightings. Also, when you say that you don't have to see it to believe it, thats a very bad way of looking at things....
Well its good to be able to have trust in people, but as you get older you start to question certain things, and for good reason. If you trusted everyone then you'd be swapping your cows for magic beans.....
But I think I have good reasons for trusting a few of these people. Sure some pics looks fake, but a few look very real. And even if there were no pictures, Out of so many people, mabey at least a few actually saw it.
You keep saying that i'm close minded and we all need to be open minded, thats true enough, but we should also be able to smell bullshit when we see it.
If you were completely serious, I might consider it. I don't put ideas down that easy. If you really thought you saw something odd, I can't say it wasn't there, nor that you are crazy.
Yes I do have a decent argument. I belive that perhaps they are prehistoric creatures that evolved. many of these lakes were once connected to the ocean...
Thats hardly an argument though, or a decent one at that. How do you explain the lack of food? Or the lack of sightings that would go along with a family of such creatures?
You can't know, and niether can I. I can't tell you how it lives, what it eats, how it stays alive, or if it even really exists! I can guess, but the fact is, I can't know for sure. But what I can tell you is that I belive it exists, I belive in some who were called crazy, and I belive that there is more than what we know of. You can say I'm right, you can say i'm acting childish, but the fact is, I will continue to belive.
Well i'm sorry, but science just doesn;t work like that...anyone can claim anything and then not back it up with any proof or any details....its easy. I don't think you're being childish an i applaude your view of the world, i'm sorry if i sound like i'm being arrogant or anything.
No, it's fine. I understand that anyone can claim anything, but...not everything can be proven. Especialy not something like a lake monster. It would probably be a very difficult thing to prove true. So it's basicly a matter of whether or not you want to belive, and I completely respect your opinion. Your obviously a very intelligent person. We are just very different people, and I can live with that.
You call me close minded, i offer you reasons why i believe that the loch ness is a myth, you offer me no argument except: " the world is mysterious..." Thats very naive. A word to the wise....don't leave your mind open for too long, your brain might fall out!
Evidence? Is there? No, there isn't. I actually challnege you to show me some links or sites where there is evidence to support Nessie...I have researched (its a little embarrassing to admit it) this subject since i was a kid, much like the Patterson footage which is a hoax, and i have yet to see one decent, or even half decent bit of evidence. Monsters do exist, but only in the imagination. Ah, don't worry, i always make typing errors myself.
"many many people have claimed to have seen it." I think its safe to assume tht the keyword here is "claimed." Some of them were lying, those that weren't lying probably did see something, but it wasn't nessie. People go to the loch to try and spot a monster, then they see anything, a splash, an otter, a fish, a log, some birds......they automatically think "monster." Most of the footage of the supposed monster has been tried and tested and has come up severely short of the mark.
Yes "claimed". But you weren't there, so how do you know they were lying!? Perhaps they did actually see nessie. It makes me so angery that you seem to think we know everything. Perhaps it's not a dinasour, or a monster, but it could be something we haven't discovered yet.
You can't prove it dosen't exist, and I can't prove it does, so why are we even having this conversation? there have been many sightings of it, whatever it is. unless you were there and cought watever is was, whos to say?
No, i wasn't there but i have spent many years around the loch and i have spent 16 years researching bigfoot and lake monsters specifically.... I can't prove it doesn't exist, correct..but why should i? The burdon of proof is on the backs of the believers, not the skeptic.. Tell me, have you ever been to Loch Ness? There have been many sightings of Elvis too, but he's dead my dear...
Giant squids were known to exist, not only were they washed up on shores around the world but they ahd been seen and documented many years before they achieved mainstream belief. There is nothing even remotely "monster" in any recent fossil records, there is not enough food in the loch to sustain a population of such a creature, basically, there is no monster in the loch, i'm sorry.
Honestly, there's no point in arguing with me, what you don't seem to get is: you can't prove something dosen't exist, you can only prove that it does, by seeing or catching it. But even if you never saw it, even if you belive it's unlikely, you can't prove it fake. I could give you many reasons why I think it's real, but what would it matter? In the end, you still think it's ridiculous, because you are infact closed minded.
Basically, like i said, i can't prove that unicorns don't exist, or smurfs, but thats not how science works. Its up to the people who think its real to show us that it is......don't you understand that at all? Again, how am i close minded and when did i use the word impossible? I am very open minded abourt lots of things, but not this. Do you believe in smurfs? If you don't then by your own defenition you are close minded.
i think it is fake cuz i think a few peepo edited these videos making it look like a real monster ... now there is a show called destination truth .. they did experience wierd water splashes but i think its all fake .. To me i think all of these are juz entertaniment never true ... but if its reall why the country wont send gruops or some water creatures expert and go catch this thing ... they sat there and said .. these creature exist .. ZZZ WAKE UP LAR
it prolly is there are alot of sightings all over the world and we do not know what is out there we think we do but there r so many creatures tat we do not know exist and tat know they have found underwater water caves in lochness so who knows
Damn! you people are so stupid! Yes it's probably an elephant,or it could be a hippo! Only Africa has elephants and hippos,but India is the only other country that has elephants!Whichever one it is,it's not in Turkey! so shut up!
Anyone can see that this is a hoax; it's an elephant if you look closely. Every great lake on the planet is a supposed home to some monster. All in the name of TOURISM..............
Though I do believe in the unknown, I don't think these videos are of them. The first one looks like a dead and floating mammal. The second one looks like a line of ducks...
its interesting to think about how many creatures we havnt discovered yet. if theres fish living in the deepest oceans with no light, im sure its possible for a creature to live in ultra salty water and rarely seen cos of the size of the lake. thats just my opinion tho. this stuffs interesting :)
4:32 looks like an elephant without its trunk above the surface. I thought this before reading some of the other comments. Also the trunk when out of the water can look like a neck. I'm open-minded though and I am willing to believe in lake creatures, otherwise I would be another dumbass assuming things don't exist unless they appear on my front lawn with their life story.
I'm inclined to agree with this theory. Watch the film closely near the beginning, the "hump" has an eye to the side, and the pale, pink flap beside of it looks remarkably like an ear, wouldn't you say? This is most certainly an elephant swimming,
Why doubt it? 'weird' things exists, its probably one of the oldest creatures on earth if u think about it. it could possibly date back to dinosaur era
It could be a squid fish. But then is woúld move with the tenticals foreward and Squid fishes swim with the skull forewards and then it has to be a Huge Squid fish. And if you look closely before the creature (at the side where is eyes are) you can see sort of vins moving in the water. It has somethis of a whale but it's not the normal kind of whales. And it's alive otherwise it wouldn't be rising and diving.
Its sad that people are so quick to demonize any and all things we cannot understand. The Bible speaks of a leviathan but that does not make all such creatures demons in disquise or evil in any way. It talks of powers and principalities, seen and unseen....and God created them all.
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well that was obviously a squid but for ur comment about it being an elephant that went into water it doesnt matter what ur teacher said he just teaches u what the government wants which is one of the hundereds of conspireses if u wanna learn about creatures like this read the bible thats were ur facts are
In Science class my teacher was talking about elephants and she was saying they used to be aquatic maybe its one that never evolved into a land elephant thing? XD
marine biologist here and cryptozoologist, maybe a whale species unknown not an elephant, the first video yes maybe the second video no some whale or large salt water species
Wait, lets think about this. IF it was an elephant, 2 things would have occured in order for it to be plausible.
1) When the creature submerged, a trunk would of came out of the water, thus being an elephant. That never happened because it disappeared.
2) The people that have been this "creatute" would have watched it for a while to see if it came on land, it probably never did. I dont know, could be an elephant, could be something else. Elephants cant drink salt water, its going to get thirsty.
how cant you guys don`t see. he`s an elephant just luck at (AX CLASSIC - TURKISH LAKE MONSTER PART 2) and its a closer view of that photo and you can se him better just luck at he`s ears and he`s had its clearly an elephant
any fool can see that this thing in lake Van is clearly not a fake. It's clearly a real living animal of some type. Doesn't even remotely resemble an elephant, and the idea that it could be elephant is totally illogical for several reasons. This is very clearly a real and as of yet unknown animal species. But that's about all we can scientifically say about it for certain. Any further postulations are a matter of personal opinion until we get some more information.
ByronicElectronic 3 months ago
elephants don't live in turkey!
thelastoutlaw16 5 months ago in playlist Monsters
its a family of elephants init
mushmucker 8 months ago
i don't know an elephant with red/brown colored skin!!! often they're grey ;-) and have a strong neck - this thing its neck is becoming thinner and thinner by leaving the skull and following backwards. a real unknown aquatic animal or some artificial building to pull tourists, scientists and at least money to lake van ;-) but i think its a real animal
seko24041973 8 months ago
elephants can swim,in salty or fresh water its easier to swim in salty they are more bouyant lol ?.
Mr1974gjb 8 months ago
yeah release the kraken ahahah ^^
Tsunayushi12 10 months ago
why dont send a proge in that lake?
randomguyodst46 10 months ago
Cryptozoology novel about two boys who find something strange on the beach one night see video book trailer
dltanner99 10 months ago
at 4:30 it looks like the tip of the head of an elephant, trying to swim and possibly drowning. exhaling air from its trunk underwater. im sure they have lots of exotic pets in turkey for sure.
reggins86 11 months ago
honestly i dont know anything about the geographic history of lake van, can someone fill me in please?
MegaLink117 1 year ago
2:20 thats an elephant...
matthaious 1 year ago
what the fuck is that .
leesueyue 1 year ago
This is a fake.
Why ?
Because if it's in Turkey as the title saus, the monster must have a moustache, like the fisherman.
That's not the case. Then it's not in Turkey, and i consider it lies.
RocketJones38 1 year ago
@RocketJones38 Hello from Turkey. Let me say an interesting thing to you. Recently a researcher has found an Ottoman document that mentions the existence of a creature in this lake one century ago but its existence is still a mystery. There is an unpopular politician whose name is Doğu Perinçek, who is famous for anti-American propoganda, in Turkey. He claimed that this monster was a CIA submarine. :):)
MOTUN 1 year ago
ocums razor people. looks awufly like a pice of drift wood to me
drewjovi 1 year ago
Thats my dick
awais142 1 year ago
hahahahahhahahahahhahahahahaha elephant? people will make up anything to explain mysteries but it makes even less sense.... ELEPHANTS DONT LIVE IN DEEP SALTY LAKES WTF??????
kittysaurusRAWR 1 year ago 3
why do reporters always act like there is just one of these in each lake? the sightings could be of several different of the same species, how do you think they reproduce..
kittysaurusRAWR 1 year ago
@kittysaurusRAWR That's just what I was going to say! If they do indeed exist, there has to be a population of them. No single creature could ever have a lifespan of 65 million years!
LukelearMissile 1 year ago
: Release the Kraken
fhk1993 1 year ago 8
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fhk1993 1 year ago 2
i belive i nessi and sea creatures but those underwater camera pictures could be a fish thats very close to the camera
farkas171 1 year ago
elephant my asshole
Xyourmother1609X 1 year ago
if it was its a fast swimming elephant the taped was slowed down.
123ihatethiscrap 1 year ago
erikgiles 1 ITS TRUE
so shut up and admit it elephants cant dive Knuckleheaded freak
nm7570 1 year ago
@erikgiles1 why can't you admit you were wrong about elephants being in Turkey?
DaveAKATheNewRexHunt 1 year ago
@DaveAKATheNewRexHunt
sorry about the thumbs down u r true its not an elephant(actually i meant a thumbs up for u)
nm7570 1 year ago
@erikgiles1 no elephants in Turkey ass hole!
DaveAKATheNewRexHunt 1 year ago
That looks like a big hippopotamus.
momitch 1 year ago
Seriously, if this one is fake too I wouldn't dare to imagine what the next will be? Then, you can invent a world-threatening dinosaur with wings and pretend, that it's real. This one is definitely too real to be a hoax.
Kidholm96 1 year ago
I believe it is a hoax to attract tourist. I have been researching Lake Van for decades and now within last few years this story emerges. The only fish in Van are the Pearl Mullet. They are not large or plentiful enough to support a large carnivore that is 49' long. With local fishermen depleting the Pearl Mullet it leaves nothing for the monster. Some whales can live on plankton but this is no whale. It is probably a huge rotting log from near Tatvan area.
Spookysr 1 year ago
Also any such "monster" would have to be at least a breeding pair to last for centuries. There are no such paired sightings nor even babies. At Loch Ness, Congo, and Vermont USA there are such sightings adding to the validity of such creatures. The water is too brackish to support such a life form. And no connection to sea or large rivers.
Spookysr 1 year ago
It cant be an elephant its not gonna walk through water
thats covering the whole body except the trunk.
RawrBitchCx 1 year ago
its an elephant's head, these turks so desperate getting the nessie hype as well
chichiboypumpi 2 years ago
Could it be a large seal or sea lion?
jamesjeffreypaul 2 years ago
for starters there not "sea monsters" there just ancient creatures thought to be extinct that arn't extinct... 95% of ocean is unexplored.... and just because dinosaurs died out whats to say sea dinosaurs did. some live so deep they never see light so whats it matter whats happening above. what would they eat? plenty of fish in the sea. MEGALODON does not exist. sorry to say. probably just a big great white or something.
zorl89peekay 2 years ago
The Megaladon does exist douche bag
GuNNaGeTeM 1 year ago
the strange is why no one die because of eaten by a monster??
rayquqza24 2 years ago
i dont believe in lake monsters... sea monsters i do. i believe in lake monsters though if the lake has a connection to the sea.
zorl89peekay 2 years ago
its impossible for a giant creatures to live in this time.what should they eat??fi they it many fish the fish on that lake probably finished so there is no more fishes
rayquqza24 2 years ago
i dont believe sea monster exist in this time but i believe there are sea monster exist long time ago
rayquqza24 2 years ago
maybe a lost elephant was washed to the sea ... lol !
soulzyxxx 2 years ago
elephant? weirdos! shape of skull - wrong! color - wrong! no reddish/brown exists, eyes much to high, no ears and a thin neck. elephant has a very well built neck and and and NO ELEPHANT
seko24041973 2 years ago
What elephant had to do in the OCEAN ?? Common Sense?
ifah08 2 years ago
Consider further :
All initial descriptions of such creatures follow an outdated scientific view of how these creatures, when the did exist, moved and swam. In many cases, even recent sightings have been based more on older descriptions than what science now knows to be true.
guns1inger 2 years ago
Consider further :
The plesiosaur and related aquatic dinosaurs were air breathers, and would have to surface every 1 - 2 hours for air. This, combined with viable breeding population numbers, should result in far greater number of sightings. However in general, sighting numbers have decreased in the last 25 years.
guns1inger 2 years ago
Consider the following :
The plesiosaur and other similar dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, in the KT extinction event. No fossils of these, or anything similar, have been found in the intervening period. If they survived, there would be fossils.
A minimum breeding group is required for there to be a viable DNA pool. A minimum breeding population of more than 100 animals is required per location for survival. This should produce far more sittings in each location.
guns1inger 2 years ago
@guns1inger, I totally agree mate, its just a load of giant eels basically, if anything!
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
I think that champ and possibly nessie are real and are water dinasours. Only and ignorant person would say it's impossible because who really knows for sure?
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
@RisaLovelyComplex, how is not believing in lake monsters such as nessie ignorant? Surely the idea that a dinosaur could populate a lake for so long without being seen is ignorant in itself, if nessie was a plesiosaur then we'd see it everyday, they were air breathers and they'd be coming to the surface often, plus, we'd see more than one creature. There is absolutely no evidence for nessie whatsoever. I would guess that large eels could be responsible.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
If it lives underwater, of course we don't see it everyday! I didn't say it was a plesiosaur, I said water dinasour. But it could be a plesiosaur, perhaps these creatures evolved? It is not impossible. You have your opinion, I have mine, and I'm really not in the mood for an argument.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
@RisaLovelyComplex, All i'm saying is my family is Scottish, i live in Liverpool, i travel up there all the time and i spent a decent 4 or 5 summers as a child by the loch, no dinosaur. The only reason people believe it is because of the hoaxed surgeons photo from the 30's. Where is the other evidence? Nowhere. I believe that there are large eels in these big lakes that are giving credence to "serpent" stories. You'd need a more than one to sustain a population and people barely witness even 1.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Even if you never saw it, many many people have claimed to have seen it. You are very stupid if you think one photo convinced people it exists. There is allot of evidence, but it can't be proved right of wrong. Do some research before you post something you don't have know about. And I belive that anythings possible, and obviously there are things that man has yet to have discovered.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
right or wrong
that you don't know about
I'm typing fast so there are a few errors
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
There isn't even enough food in the loch to sustain a population of creatures like "nessie," thats proof enough right there to say that its a legend and nothing more. Mis-identification, hoax, legend etc... thats not evidence.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Look, you are closed minded. People probably didn't belive in giant squids before either, until it was proved to be real. People like you won't ever belive until you see it. But i'm not like that. I belive there is some mystery in the world. That mabey at least on of those legends just may be true. And even with people like you in the world, people like me continue to belive because we understand that we don't know everything about the world.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
How can you call me close minded because i don't believe that there is a monster in the loch? Thats not being close minded, its called having common sense dear. You don't know everything about the world, neither do i, but you know what i do know? That the loch ness monster is a myth.....
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Saying its IMPOSSIBLE is close minded because you can't know for sure, no matter how much you think you know. I understand that it may be hard to belive because of the living conditions of this lake, but just as I can't prove it exists, you can't prove it dosen't.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
Do me a favour, copy and paste me the sentence where i used the word "impossible..." I can't prove that it doesn't exist no more than i can prove that smurfs don't exist, get my point? Its not up to me to prove anything, if you believe its real then surely you must provide me with something more than...."the world is mysterious.."
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
you wouldn't even consider it real, unless i left it at your doorstep
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
No, i wouldn't consider it real unless there was something in the way of scientific proof, ie. DNA, carcass. Whats wrong with that?
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Because, I don't feel like I need to see it to belive it. I belive in some of the people who have claimed to have seen it. If i saw it, I would want someone to belive me. I'm sure you'd feel the same way. So I can't prove it's real, but I'm not just going to say that all those people were crazy.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
I don't think that they're all crazy, but i don't think that they all saw a monster either. There are lots of things in the loch that people constantly mistake for monsters.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
And even if it's unlikely that it could survive in loc ness, there other lakes such as Champlain where people have also claimed to have seen it.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
From what i have gathered over the years, i would say that a large eel is responsible for these sightings. Also, when you say that you don't have to see it to believe it, thats a very bad way of looking at things....
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
No, it's not. I have trust in people. Not everyone can see everything, it's a fact of life.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
Well its good to be able to have trust in people, but as you get older you start to question certain things, and for good reason. If you trusted everyone then you'd be swapping your cows for magic beans.....
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
But I think I have good reasons for trusting a few of these people. Sure some pics looks fake, but a few look very real. And even if there were no pictures, Out of so many people, mabey at least a few actually saw it.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
What pictures of loch ness look real? Of course some don't look fake, but they don't look like a monster either, just mis-identification.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Some look completely real to me. And the fact that there are similarities between them also makes them seem real to me.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
SImilarites? Yeah, they're all pictures of blurry shapes in the water.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Thats what you see them as
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
Of course, some could be fake.
But who knows?
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
Trust is not just for children, we should all try to be open minded to what others belive in.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
You keep saying that i'm close minded and we all need to be open minded, thats true enough, but we should also be able to smell bullshit when we see it.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
So, if i told you that i had an elf in my garden you'd just take my word for it?
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
If you were completely serious, I might consider it. I don't put ideas down that easy. If you really thought you saw something odd, I can't say it wasn't there, nor that you are crazy.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
See, thats where common sense comes into play.....
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
this has nothing to do with common sense, it's one persons opinion against anothers. The idea of it is not ridiculous.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
Yes but you have an opinion without a decent argument to support your theory, whereas i do.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Yes I do have a decent argument. I belive that perhaps they are prehistoric creatures that evolved. many of these lakes were once connected to the ocean...
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
Thats hardly an argument though, or a decent one at that. How do you explain the lack of food? Or the lack of sightings that would go along with a family of such creatures?
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
You can't know, and niether can I. I can't tell you how it lives, what it eats, how it stays alive, or if it even really exists! I can guess, but the fact is, I can't know for sure. But what I can tell you is that I belive it exists, I belive in some who were called crazy, and I belive that there is more than what we know of. You can say I'm right, you can say i'm acting childish, but the fact is, I will continue to belive.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
Well i'm sorry, but science just doesn;t work like that...anyone can claim anything and then not back it up with any proof or any details....its easy. I don't think you're being childish an i applaude your view of the world, i'm sorry if i sound like i'm being arrogant or anything.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
No, it's fine. I understand that anyone can claim anything, but...not everything can be proven. Especialy not something like a lake monster. It would probably be a very difficult thing to prove true. So it's basicly a matter of whether or not you want to belive, and I completely respect your opinion. Your obviously a very intelligent person. We are just very different people, and I can live with that.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
Now hopefully, we can stop spamming this person's video :)
If you want to add anything more, feel free to PM me.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
Yeah, haha, whoever posted this video will be suprised.
:0p
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
You call me close minded, i offer you reasons why i believe that the loch ness is a myth, you offer me no argument except: " the world is mysterious..." Thats very naive. A word to the wise....don't leave your mind open for too long, your brain might fall out!
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Evidence? Is there? No, there isn't. I actually challnege you to show me some links or sites where there is evidence to support Nessie...I have researched (its a little embarrassing to admit it) this subject since i was a kid, much like the Patterson footage which is a hoax, and i have yet to see one decent, or even half decent bit of evidence. Monsters do exist, but only in the imagination. Ah, don't worry, i always make typing errors myself.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
"many many people have claimed to have seen it." I think its safe to assume tht the keyword here is "claimed." Some of them were lying, those that weren't lying probably did see something, but it wasn't nessie. People go to the loch to try and spot a monster, then they see anything, a splash, an otter, a fish, a log, some birds......they automatically think "monster." Most of the footage of the supposed monster has been tried and tested and has come up severely short of the mark.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Yes "claimed". But you weren't there, so how do you know they were lying!? Perhaps they did actually see nessie. It makes me so angery that you seem to think we know everything. Perhaps it's not a dinasour, or a monster, but it could be something we haven't discovered yet.
You can't prove it dosen't exist, and I can't prove it does, so why are we even having this conversation? there have been many sightings of it, whatever it is. unless you were there and cought watever is was, whos to say?
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
No, i wasn't there but i have spent many years around the loch and i have spent 16 years researching bigfoot and lake monsters specifically.... I can't prove it doesn't exist, correct..but why should i? The burdon of proof is on the backs of the believers, not the skeptic.. Tell me, have you ever been to Loch Ness? There have been many sightings of Elvis too, but he's dead my dear...
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Basically, the chances of there being a monster/dinosaur living undiscovered in the loch are very very very slim indeed!
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Mabey, but nothings impossible.
I think that it could exist, even if it's not likely.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
Giant squids were known to exist, not only were they washed up on shores around the world but they ahd been seen and documented many years before they achieved mainstream belief. There is nothing even remotely "monster" in any recent fossil records, there is not enough food in the loch to sustain a population of such a creature, basically, there is no monster in the loch, i'm sorry.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Honestly, there's no point in arguing with me, what you don't seem to get is: you can't prove something dosen't exist, you can only prove that it does, by seeing or catching it. But even if you never saw it, even if you belive it's unlikely, you can't prove it fake. I could give you many reasons why I think it's real, but what would it matter? In the end, you still think it's ridiculous, because you are infact closed minded.
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
Basically, like i said, i can't prove that unicorns don't exist, or smurfs, but thats not how science works. Its up to the people who think its real to show us that it is......don't you understand that at all? Again, how am i close minded and when did i use the word impossible? I am very open minded abourt lots of things, but not this. Do you believe in smurfs? If you don't then by your own defenition you are close minded.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
Yea no SEA CREATURS!! agree with u
soulzyxxx 2 years ago
i think it is fake cuz i think a few peepo edited these videos making it look like a real monster ... now there is a show called destination truth .. they did experience wierd water splashes but i think its all fake .. To me i think all of these are juz entertaniment never true ... but if its reall why the country wont send gruops or some water creatures expert and go catch this thing ... they sat there and said .. these creature exist .. ZZZ WAKE UP LAR
soulzyxxx 2 years ago
true!!!if you want to see a real monster go look up KONAWA LAKE MONSTER right here on youtube its real unlike this crap!!!!
slayerfanslayer 2 years ago
Elephant ? LOL !!!! First search about Van City of Turkey :D .. cold as Siberia .. Its maybe something else maybe a real monsta but not an elephant
gamebazzz 2 years ago
thats an ELEPHANT HAHAHAH!!
saharaganda21 2 years ago
I bet it's the same species of aquatic prehistoric creature as Champ, Ogopogo and Nessie. I wish a specimen could be found, live or deceased.
OceanbornAngel 2 years ago 6
@OceanbornAngel. I agree with you, they prob are all related. I can't wait for a specimen.
HunterDThompson 1 year ago
@OceanbornAngel Me too, Everybody just has a feeling Nessie is still alive :P
icegodx1 1 year ago
it prolly is there are alot of sightings all over the world and we do not know what is out there we think we do but there r so many creatures tat we do not know exist and tat know they have found underwater water caves in lochness so who knows
WishBearLover08 1 year ago
its a elephant lake monster ?if that makes the children happy.
Mr1974gjb 2 years ago
unfortunately this looks like a fuckin' elephant's head, sticking out of the water.
brunomazzei100 2 years ago
Damn! you people are so stupid! Yes it's probably an elephant,or it could be a hippo! Only Africa has elephants and hippos,but India is the only other country that has elephants!Whichever one it is,it's not in Turkey! so shut up!
jaguar11586 2 years ago 2
it looks very real dont you think guys? or for those people who dont, thats ok it looks obviusly fake!
TheGECKO1999 2 years ago
It's just a "Lake Fake".
adrialbati 2 years ago
Anyone can see that this is a hoax; it's an elephant if you look closely. Every great lake on the planet is a supposed home to some monster. All in the name of TOURISM..............
Re9ap9er9 2 years ago
the show "truth destination" show is on syfy channel right now and they are investigating that creature.
nabs307 2 years ago
thats not an elephant
elephants cant dive
kelpo38 2 years ago 4
yes they can
SuperButterscotch 2 years ago
Though I do believe in the unknown, I don't think these videos are of them. The first one looks like a dead and floating mammal. The second one looks like a line of ducks...
KittySheep 2 years ago
its interesting to think about how many creatures we havnt discovered yet. if theres fish living in the deepest oceans with no light, im sure its possible for a creature to live in ultra salty water and rarely seen cos of the size of the lake. thats just my opinion tho. this stuffs interesting :)
itskarnibitch 2 years ago
i share your thought, but theres alot of people who dnt think outside the box
smartalex1122 2 years ago
4:32 looks like an elephant without its trunk above the surface. I thought this before reading some of the other comments. Also the trunk when out of the water can look like a neck. I'm open-minded though and I am willing to believe in lake creatures, otherwise I would be another dumbass assuming things don't exist unless they appear on my front lawn with their life story.
GeoGarcia10 2 years ago
I'm inclined to agree with this theory. Watch the film closely near the beginning, the "hump" has an eye to the side, and the pale, pink flap beside of it looks remarkably like an ear, wouldn't you say? This is most certainly an elephant swimming,
Ma121Hunter 2 years ago
probably a hoax got hold of a elephant?or thats not even the same lake but some footage of elephants swimming somewhere else and said it was there?.
Mr1974gjb 2 years ago
It appears to have an eye
SuperButterscotch 2 years ago
it looks like an elephant but I elephants don't live near lake van
SuperButterscotch 2 years ago
yes it does look like an elephant, and it could be a set up that they got hold of an elephant despite none actually being round the lake.
TellsHowItIs 2 years ago
thats a elephant swimming ?
Mr1974gjb 2 years ago 2
I don't think elephants can swim lol
RisaLovelyComplex 2 years ago
actually believe it or not elephants are excellent swimmers
TheMVP621 2 years ago
@RisaLovelyComplex, elephants can indeed swim, believe it or not.....i would say that this "creature" in the film is an elephant, not a monster.
GilbertSyndrome 2 years ago
every one stop it ok u don't no wat it is u was not there so stop sayind it a squid shit dam
pjtoohot 2 years ago
Why doubt it? 'weird' things exists, its probably one of the oldest creatures on earth if u think about it. it could possibly date back to dinosaur era
hplessromantcx3 2 years ago 3
PEOPLE ITS AN BLOODY ELEPHANT. egh.
solardan 2 years ago
its a wallrus yu can tell of the skin tone
jigglejac 2 years ago
i saw this same thing on animal planet it was just a type of manate or wallrus without horns.
skateboardsking3000 2 years ago
If it is a saltwater lake no fish could survive in it..... It could be real.... i dunno?
largemouthbassrigs 2 years ago
So there is no fish in saltwater anywhere?
And second I thought they talked to a fishermen at that very lake.
Junglenose 2 years ago
they said hardley any fish can survive, theres still fish tho
itskarnibitch 2 years ago
It could be a squid fish. But then is woúld move with the tenticals foreward and Squid fishes swim with the skull forewards and then it has to be a Huge Squid fish. And if you look closely before the creature (at the side where is eyes are) you can see sort of vins moving in the water. It has somethis of a whale but it's not the normal kind of whales. And it's alive otherwise it wouldn't be rising and diving.
nikita1angel 2 years ago
unless its some kind of large scale conspiracy, the loch ness is real, but just an animal to be discovered, no monster
Fedwaa 2 years ago 2
and elephants dont roam in turkey.ive been ther.didnt see one elephant
louiscfc93 2 years ago
its called a squid fish.theyr like fish but squids
louiscfc93 2 years ago
Its sad that people are so quick to demonize any and all things we cannot understand. The Bible speaks of a leviathan but that does not make all such creatures demons in disquise or evil in any way. It talks of powers and principalities, seen and unseen....and God created them all.
Sulrin 2 years ago
At the end of Arthur C. Clarkes mysterious world lake monsters 2 of 3 - it shows an elephant swimming in the ocean - for comparison.
pogsquatch 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
well that was obviously a squid but for ur comment about it being an elephant that went into water it doesnt matter what ur teacher said he just teaches u what the government wants which is one of the hundereds of conspireses if u wanna learn about creatures like this read the bible thats were ur facts are
mchlhair 2 years ago
Swimmin' around.... Blowin' bubbles..... Lookin' at ya with that eyeball of his....
WTF ? Any updates on this badboy ?
I don't think the Turks could fake this one.
Maybe the Croatians.... but not the Turks.
pogsquatch 2 years ago 2
fake
FrostFAIZO 2 years ago
things like this happen around the world so many times... some will be real and some will be fake
2ndperspective 2 years ago
that picture with the dead creature is not a lake monster, its a friggin dead whale..........dont u guys agree??
Trinigirl10 2 years ago
lying fuckers
yojmd61 2 years ago
In Science class my teacher was talking about elephants and she was saying they used to be aquatic maybe its one that never evolved into a land elephant thing? XD
LetterDice 2 years ago
That's actually a pretty good hypothesis, most people just instantly say 'its fake!' So im glad someone is being a little bit more openminded.
snoopfm76 2 years ago
marine biologist here and cryptozoologist, maybe a whale species unknown not an elephant, the first video yes maybe the second video no some whale or large salt water species
jeffreyg199 2 years ago
Does lake Van belong to Turkey Armenia or Kurdistan?
nosirrom5 2 years ago
@nosirrom5 Armenia.
Sepoyan1 1 year ago
Wait, lets think about this. IF it was an elephant, 2 things would have occured in order for it to be plausible.
1) When the creature submerged, a trunk would of came out of the water, thus being an elephant. That never happened because it disappeared.
2) The people that have been this "creatute" would have watched it for a while to see if it came on land, it probably never did. I dont know, could be an elephant, could be something else. Elephants cant drink salt water, its going to get thirsty.
smeltersam 2 years ago
this is one of the few truly unexplained lake monsters. no way its an elephant
ktulu303 2 years ago
why don't they just investigate the whole lake?
sweetdejalee 2 years ago
it would cost alot of money...and not many goverments and people want to fund something they probably think is stupid...
ManEatingSlug7 2 years ago
4:32
it's an elephant. The light part of it on the right is its ear, on the left is the trunk.
it had probably ran away from a circus or something. Elephants are famous swimmers that can even swim from island to another.
Kuwaiti1990 2 years ago
Of course it's always an elephant, like the one in Lock Ness, and like Mokele-mbembe. Yep, all elephants.
SwanKeeper6 2 years ago 4
when wheres the trunk of the elephant wounld nt it be above the water????
2009skyline 2 years ago
this was a 5 seconds shot guys, the elephant could be emerging his trunk in for some time.
Kuwaiti1990 2 years ago
from the neck downwards this creature becomes thinner. an elephant is not built that way
seko24041973 2 years ago
elephants is not living in turkey, this is a cow :))))
im from turkey and i dont believe this monster. its just a myth
msarikamis 2 years ago
You say it's an elephant .. wtf?! An elephant in Turkey ... An it's no normal elephant.. it's a DIVING elephant which lives in this lake for ages!
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I think it's a piece of wood.
withoutanyknowledge 3 years ago
It looks like the top of a giant squid?
sk8guy47 3 years ago
there are no hippos in turky dumb ass
Catstalker666 3 years ago
lol
MojoIglesias 3 years ago
its a heppo
montellk 3 years ago
how cant you guys don`t see. he`s an elephant just luck at (AX CLASSIC - TURKISH LAKE MONSTER PART 2) and its a closer view of that photo and you can se him better just luck at he`s ears and he`s had its clearly an elephant
besnik5 3 years ago
dont ruin other peoples bolifes
gbernatchez 3 years ago
its a puppy:)
CodyMaxwell1 3 years ago