Uvic Abortion Debate Oct 21st '09 Part 9 of 10

[randzfanny]

Dr. Kluge disgusts me. His points are not valid and he contradicts himself several times. Basically he is saying unwanted children should be aborted, so I think half of the worlds population would be gone if we had it his way. If a woman chose to open her legs she should deal with the consequences. If she is raped is it the fetus' fault?

[SocialDissimulation]

If a woman can make a fetus, why can't she abort it?

[thenameischarlie]

It was a cheap shot on Stephanie's part and obviously she was not able to adequately answer the question and had to insult/attack the student as opposed to attacking the question.

[wood9670]

1) Her organization does not take a position on contraception, she was representing her organization, therefore she was not at liberty to answer the question. She did offer to give her personal opinion after the debate.

2) The call to finish the sentence when one says the "right to choose" is a call for transparency. If your position is intellectually & morally defensible then one ought not have to veil their position.

Take pride in being pro-abortion, otherwise reevaluate your position.

[Brooks148]

That would be, if the claim of being pro-choice was veiled in some way. Which it is not. I personally don't like either titles, pro-choice or pro-life because of their ambiguity. But I don't go around making straw man arguments to get a reaction. 'Pro-abortion' often implies the the inclusion of late-term abortion. Which is why it is not used as much.

Pro-Choice could be better summed as "Pro ethical choice". As we support the freedom to make all ethical choices. That's how I see it anyway.

[wood9670]

Watch the video link below for a basic understanding of why I see the term pro-choice as a veil and believe pro-abortion to be the more transparent and intellectually honest term.

watch?v=njPzpLKO8wo&feature=re­lated

You could watch part 1 and 2 if you like but the relevant section for the segment can be found at 5:38

Or google "Commentary: Obama's Abortion Extremism by Robert George"

[Brooks148]

I watched up to 6:41 of pt 2. Didn't look at part one. Most of it he is taking the time to describe one of the late term procedures, known as partial birth abortion.

Around 5:38 he starts to play a little game, saying that a person who says abortion is a legitimate choice is the same as a person who supports all types of abortion. He himself doesn't distinguish the differences between an 8 week or 22 week abortion. ...

[Brooks148]

However, a person who claims to be pro-choice doesn't support the legitimacy of all abortions. That would be more along the lines of pro-abortion. A person who is pro-choice would not support the partial birth abortion procedure unless it was a life or death situation. There is huge difference between abortion supported by pro-choice, and late term abortion.

[Brooks148]

He also plays another word game by saying that abortion is the intentional killing of a human being. Which is entirely true, but then he says its about whether we thing the action of killing a person is an injustice, that pro-choice people support. Which it isn't. I would assume someone who claimed to be pro-abortion would be in favor of killing a person, but not pro-choice.

[Brooks148]

after watching part 1&2 fully

How I feel.

1. the fetus in the linen closet is just poor practice. They need to be better with cleaning.

2. I don't know, or care about obama's stance, since i live in canada.

3. I don't know if we have any laws against late term abortion, but there should definitely be.

4. The guy doesn't seem to understand the differences between human life and a person, and what that means ethically and for people who are pro-choice.

[thenameischarlie]

When the student asks the question about contraceptives (and states that she is pro-choice), Stephanie responds in such a disrespectful way.

First, this is an abortion 'debate' and usually when someone exclaims that they support the woman's right to choose, everyone knows what they mean, or at least the intelligent ones do, and again, it's an abortion debate, what else would the student be referring too ?

[wood9670]

3:07-hit a nerve apparently.