Live to be 150 Calorie Restriction

[UltraMN]

I don't know if diet "extends your life", but it's clear to me that donuts and sodas shorten it.

I went through a lifestyle change and lost 90 lbs with diet and exercise over several years. I'm amazed at how many people don't pay attention to their own health, but want the best "health care" when they get a complication.

I went to the pool and saw a grandma in better shape than her 25 year old buddy. It was sad, but it sure proves a point.

[Stonewalljackson7]

You still in the trailer park? I would have thought the gay porn gig would have got u out by now.

[bigusdikus0]

ur the worst debater ive ever seen and ive seen some bad ones. so u have achieved something haha

[ironman711]

"I tried"

Obviously you didn't otherwise you wouldn't be here anymore.

I tried googling long living, weak vegans and found nothing. Only nutrient deficiency.

[bigusdikus0]

hes too fucking stupid to research anything

[Stonewalljackson7]

If you look in the mirror you'll see one dumber.

[Stonewalljackson7]

if you don't believe in the bible whats up with the favorites and intelligent design bullshit, you fuckwit.

[Stonewalljackson7]

gay porn? Is that your day job? Bigusdikus is your stage name? lol I didn't know you were queer! Well tell your boyfriend to wear a rubber when he fucks you up the ass. wouldn't want you to die before you reach 100! Hey, you can eat that lard while he greases your ass with it!

[fuckassbullshit]

is that what your boyfriend does when he fucks you up the ass cocksucker?

you must be speaking from experience!

HAHAHAHA

thats what i did to your mom last night

the bitch loved it

[ironman711]

Most of those people make it to their nineties due to genetics, not nutrition.

By your logic, nutrition means jack squat if you are in a family that has longevity. ;)

[Stonewalljackson7]

how do you know Jack didn't make it due to genetics?

[bigusdikus0]

thats like saying theres a high incidence of casts

on broken legs so casts cause broken legs

[matthewlake182]

this is difficult to discuss on here, go to imminst forum and make a thread. my name is 'matt' over there xD Im a moderator. And then maybe we can have a proper debate!

[aaugoaa]

these people on this video look ill to me

[bigusdikus0]

ya they look kinda scrawny and sickly dont they

[Stonewalljackson7]

their looks have nothing to do with their health, they have regular lab work done and have perfect health.

[bigusdikus0]

let me know when they reach 150 then ill be impressed

[Stonewalljackson7]

you'll be long dead from heart attack.

[bigusdikus0]

ya right. u really proved that case well. u just spew a lot of hot air but dont back anything up

[Stonewalljackson7]

sorry, after I saw that you are a bible and intelligent design believer i have to take anything you say with a grain (ton) of salt.

[bigusdikus0]

thats a biased view that has nothing to do with my statements which i backed up. u backed up nothing

[Stonewalljackson7]

Jesus told me so.

[bigusdikus0]

ur an idiot. im thru pwning u now. u can go

[Stonewalljackson7]

I ain't going anywhere , weren't you supposed to go debate matthew? guess you chickened out. and you're awfully nasty talking for a Jesus freak.

[bigusdikus0]

i already debated and disproved him. why should i go to his website if he cant even debate me on his own vid idiot? who says im a jesus freak moron?

[matthewlake182]

no you never... well maybe tomorrow xD

[bigusdikus0]

never what?

[bigusdikus0]

i proved u wrong completely and utterly

[ironman711]

"you'll be long dead from heart attack"

Try telling that to the thousands of people that eat fatty foods and drink and live past 100 ;)

[Stonewalljackson7]

ok, where are these "thousands" they don't exist. and that directly contradicts Jack your hero.

[ironman711]

"where are these 'thousands" they don't exist"

Well if you actually took the time and look it up and stopped being biased, you would see that they in fact do exist.

BTW, how is that contradicting Jack? I was just pointing out that most people that live long is due to genetics. You are only saying vegans live longer, which is false since there hasn't been a single vegan that lived passed 95. I'm saying people live longer due to genetics as well as fitness and nutrition.

[Stonewalljackson7]

tell me where to find these "thousands"

[bigusdikus0]

They studied healthy young and middle-aged men and found that the total number of white blood cells and the number of various types of white blood cells were significantly lower in the men with LDL-cholesterol below 160 mg/dl (mean 88.3 mg/l),than in men with LDL-cholesterol above 160 mg/l (mean 185.5 mg/l)

Clinical Immunology and Immunopathology 84, 145-149, 1997.

[Stonewalljackson7]

I'm gonna eat me a big tub of lard tonite then and email Jack and tell him to quit throwing away his egg yolks.

[matthewlake182]

Yes thats good because lower white blood count there is a lower all cause mortality rate.

[bigusdikus0]

where is ur source for that?

[matthewlake182]

Prospective Study of Leukocyte Count as a Predictor of Incident Breast, Colorectal, Endometrial, and Lung Cancer and Mortality in Postmenopausal Women

Arch Intern Med. 2007;167(17):1837-1844.

White Blood Cell Count and Mortality in the Baltimore Longitudinal Study of Aging

WBC Count and the Risk of Cancer Mortality

WBC Count and the Risk of Cancer Mortality in a National Sample of U.S. Adults: Results from the Second National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey Mortality Study

[bigusdikus0]

exactly a predictor. it is a marker because wbc are crucial for immune system.

[bigusdikus0]

they check white blood cell count as a predictor of disease because the body produces it during stress or illness. thats correlation not causation

[matthewlake182]

No i think that you misunderstand the papers. please come to imminst forum to discuss it, my name is 'matt' over there. You're welcome1 We love to talk about these things/ OK? make a thread there!!! gogogo!

[bigusdikus0]

you really think white blood cells cause disease? maybe i should go over there and clear this up.

[bigusdikus0]

lower wbc does NOT decrease mortality. just the opposite. it is a marker because the immune system produces wbc as a defense.

[Stonewalljackson7]

but what do a bunch of scientists know? I only pay attention to what Jack Lalanne says, I'll have to email him and ask his opinion

[bigusdikus0]

that study showed NO causation or mechanism for cholesterol causing heart disease.

[Stonewalljackson7]

sure it did, the higher the cholesterol the greater the risk of heart attack. did the studies you quote show causation or merely correlation or a mechanism for low cholesterol causing heart attacks?

[bigusdikus0]

thats not causation or mechanism. thats correlation.

[bigusdikus0]

you obviously dont understand the difference between causation and correlation

[Stonewalljackson7]

uh, yes i understand the difference

[bigusdikus0]

why did you say the higher the cholesterol the more risk then?

[bigusdikus0]

and yes there is evidence that heart disease is caused by infection. cholesterol protects against infections

[bigusdikus0]

it also boosts immune system

[Stonewalljackson7]

not according to the framingham heart study

[bigusdikus0]

Recently the Framingham studies have become regarded as overestimating risk, particularly in the lower risk groups, for UK populations

BMJ 327 (7426): 1267

[bigusdikus0]

Many studies have found that low cholesterol is in certain respects worse than high cholesterol. For instance, in 19 large studies of more than 68,000 deaths, reviewed by Professor David R. Jacobs and his co-workers from the Division of Epidemiology at the University of Minnesota, low cholesterol predicted an increased risk of dying from gastrointestinal and respiratory diseases

Circulation 86, 10461060, 1992.

[Stonewalljackson7]

and he's the smartest most knowledgeable nutritionist on the face of the earth (underground too)

ask tinman

[bigusdikus0]

Consider the finding of Dr. Harlan Krumholz of the Department of Cardiovascular Medicine at Yale University, who reported in 1994 that old people with low cholesterol died twice as often from a heart attack as did old people with a high cholesterol.

Journal of the American Medical Association 272, 1335-1340, 1990.

[ironman711]

So this is saying NO calories would make you live 100 years longer....yet the body needs HDL calories...

I rather believe the 94 year old Jack Lalanne about diet than anyone else.

[Stonewalljackson7]

uh, if you got NO calories you would die many years before you reached 100! I think the scientists know more about nutrition than Jack Lalanne, however I'm sure he practices at least a mild form of calorie restriction

[ironman711]

So you're saying scientists know more about nutrition than the nutrition specialist Jack Lalanne?? I'm sure they do ;)

[Stonewalljackson7]

no, Jesus told Jack everything about nutrition

[ironman711]

Wow...you really are stupid...

Jack has been dealing with nutrition for 70+ years. That's much more than most scientists have been alive or even live for that matter.

[Stonewalljackson7]

fortunately not as stupid as you. Jack lalanne worlds most knowledgeable nutritionist. What are his degrees and where is his world famous lab, you moron.

[ironman711]

His body IS his lab, genius.

Name me ONE other nutritionist that can still do what Jack Lalanne does at his age. Hell, name me one nutritionist that doesn't listen to Jack Lalanne nor wasn't inspired by him.

[Stonewalljackson7]

His body tells him what vitamins and nutrients are best? In any specific language or code? Which of Jack's scientific papers do nutritinionist refer to when they have a question? I looked on his website. they mention NO degrees, no published papers, no education other than he read Henry Gray's Anatomy of the Human Body . Yes he is the premier nutritionist in the world! compared to you maybe.

[Stonewalljackson7]

He is a fitness expert, just cause he can do more pushups than a Ph.d doesn't make him smarter.

[ironman711]

Him outliving most PH.Ds does in fact make him smarter.

"His body tells him what vitamins and nutrients are best?"

Damn you are dumb. So you wouldn't take anything he says seriously just because he doesn't have degrees?? He's 95 years old and can swim up and down the west coast. If you don't want to take any advice from a guy like that just because he doesn't have degrees...then wow you're dumb.

[Stonewalljackson7]

wow, what about the people living to 115? does that make them nutritional experts?He can swim up and down the west coast? What does that mean except he's in shape? I would take exercise advice, not nutritional advice over someone like Holick. You are incredibly stupid

[ironman711]

Being called stupid by someone with the likes of you isn't much of an insult.

Are you saying if someone was bedridden and had nutrition degrees, you would take their advice over Jack?

[Stonewalljackson7]

I should have known you're an idiot cause your favorite vid is Green Lantern! lol such a retard. Mommy should let you out of the basement more often

[ironman711]

How is being a Green Lantern fan make me an idiot?

Did you even watch the vid I favorited? The GL oath is deep.

And see, you couldn't even answer my question so you had to change the topic.

[Stonewalljackson7]

what was your retarded question? Green boy.

[ironman711]

I asked it 10 minutes ago. Just look at it moron. Or is that too hard for you?

[Stonewalljackson7]

was it the really stupid one about someone being bedridden with degrees? lol.

[ironman711]

IDK if it was stupid since you said you would take the advice of anyone with degrees in nutrition no matter what over someone who is proven to be the most fittest old person ever recorded just because they don't have a degree.

[Stonewalljackson7]

what scientific nutritional papers has he published? what has fitness got to do with nutritional expertise?

[ironman711]

See, you can't answer my question. You FAIL sir.

He has published books. Fitness goes hand and hand with nutrition. Are you that dumb?

[Stonewalljackson7]

anyone can publish a book, that in itself doesn't mean squat.

[ironman711]

So you ARE saying you would take advice from someone who is bedridden that has degrees in nutrition over someone who is perfectly fit....that makes total sense...

[Stonewalljackson7]

you don't even say why this mythical nutritionist is bedridden, did he get hit by a car? What does this mythical nutritionist advocate?

[ironman711]

He became bedridden because of his diet and is vegan.

And yes, there has been vegans that have been bedridden due to the diet. Like the guy that coined veganism.

[Stonewalljackson7]

He could also be a meat eater and bedridden because of his diet. and yes there are meateaters that have been bedridden because of their diet. your hero jack eats very little meat or meat products, only eggs and some fish from what I can tell. Being a vegan doesn't mean you eat the right things, no vegan eating correctly has ever been bedridden from his diet. show me links.

[Stonewalljackson7]

he also believes in a low fat diet as do I.

[ironman711]

Yet you don't believe anything Jack says due to him not having any nutritional degrees...even though you believe everything he does....

Contradiction much?

[bigusdikus0]

stonewall youre stupid as hell. u probly think cholesterol is bad for u. do u believe everything u see on tv? whats wrong with liking green lantern?

[Stonewalljackson7]

In answer to your cholesterol question, cholesterol is necessary, too much is bad for you. your hero jack doesn't think cholesterol is good for you, he doesn't eat whole eggs. I don't watch tv. and there's nothing wrong with liking Green Lantern, if you're 12 years old!

[bigusdikus0]

did u know people with higher cholesterol live longer?

[Stonewalljackson7]

nope

[Stonewalljackson7]

and that can't be true,cause Jack eats a low cholesterol diet, lol

[bigusdikus0]

did u know that ldl is not cholesterol?

[matthewlake182]

Apparently CRers rarely get infections, they have more energy (as reported), and usually I either a) don't get the virus or b) Only have mild symptoms that last 12 - 24 hours before going away.. Whereas otehr family members were ill for 2 weeks with flu. Theres just one example, but many other people report this also.

No joke, CR is the only proven way to extend lifespan and has 75 years of science backing it up.

[BaileyLush]

Hmm. I could be wrong- I concede. Is your diet predominately plant based Matt? Also.... Do you workout at all? Working out would automatically increse your caloric needs (not that you don't know this already)

[Stonewalljackson7]

does not work, only calorie restriction

[sacredshakti]

these ppl don't really look like their any younger than a normal 60 year old...

These people spend WAYYYY too much money and time worrying about food...

But CR definitely does help. All the great saints and mystics practiced caloric restriction and mostly vegetarian diets.

[saxquiz]

I assume that they only started it a few years ago. If someone were to do it most of their life I bet the effects would be more noticeable.

[Soulnik]

Do Paul and Meredith take Resveratrol in addition to

practicing CR?

Matt: Do you take Resveratrol?

[matthewlake182]

No, and No

[Soulnik]

"My heart and my blood vessels are like those of a person

many decades younger than me!" - Meredith

Oh really, Meredith? And you know this how exactly?

This is called an unsubstantiated claim in the real world.

[matthewlake182]

Because she is part of the CR cohort on a longitudinal study at washington university in St Louis. Go to my blog (see youtube profile for website link) and look under important studies. She has had the tests to prove it, as have other CRers.

[Soulnik]

True story:

Ray Kurzweil takes so many pills and potions that he

actually hired a guy to be his "pill wrangler" to sort out

his daily bucket-of-pills approach to "longevity."

Kurzweil

Fact:

Nothing has been conclusively "proven" yet. Maybe

down the road. Maybe not. Lets not put the cart before

the horse when it comes to purported "life extension" therapies. Most everybody in this video has an agenda

here and a book to promote.

[chunksloth]

Hey Matt! I really appreciate your videos and blog. Keep up the good work!

I've been interested in CR since I heard Ray Kurzweil interviewed. His mantra of "live long enough to live forever" really stuck with me.

Over the last 2 years I gained 44 pounds. This spring I started eating less and exercising. I lost 40 pounds in 5 months and am now at 170. During this time I ate about 1400 cals/day. I now know that I can handle CR-levels of food, I just need to learn to optimize my nutrition!

[Soulnik]

Paul and Meredith really do like to go on television a lot!

Apparently, promoting the "CR lifestyle" is very hard work don't you know!

In the near future you'll be able to live a very long life indeed without ever having to go the "CR Way"

Fact: Aubrey de Grey does not believe in CR.