Philip Carlo, author of "The Butcher: Anatomy of a Mafia Psychopath"

[TugLife365]

i read the ice man and couldnt put the fucker down. im currently reading the butcher, and when i read the footnote about how kuklinksi wasnt involved in the Galante hit i nearly blew a gasket. ruined the whole book for me haha

[quanfa88]

"I came to realize that there is a hypocrisy about what they say and what they do, and that they can't be trusted" (Philip Carlo on Mafia members). Brilliant. Exactly how long did it take this genius to arrive at such unique, fascinating insight? I suppose the rest of us assume that Mafia member are nice, upstanding people, with whom you can trust your parents, wife, children, and money. Common sense has been dead for a long time.

[bizarreunderworld]

@quanfa88 While you talk about "brilliance" of others, you use sarcasm, the lowest form of wit. Pull your head out of your own ass before you talk about other people.

[quanfa88]

@bizarreunderworld Sarcasm actually requires considerable wit. Profanity is the lowest form of wit. You attack my sarcasm with an over-used and easily produced line ("take your head out of your a**). How pathetic & ineffective. Your misguided criticism aside, the real problem involves so many people idolizing criminals. They say how horrible these gang members are, while secretly worshiping them. Those that make their living off of such scum are, to a degree, guilty as well.

[bizarreunderworld]

@quanfa88 Sarcasm requires wit of very low intelligence actually. Sarcasm is a dialect of speech. Profanity is merely use of non existent words in the dictionary. Pathetic and ineffective? I wouldn't say so. Certainly it hit home with you. Misguided criticism? Hmm are you sure you even know what your saying? Sounds to me like you called your school teacher up asking for a list from a-z in big words. I don't say how bad they are, I have much respect for the mob. I have family involved. Scum=you.

[quanfa88]

@bizarreunderworld Sarcasm is not a speech dialect, and can require any intelligence range (low to high). Dialects are regional variations of standard languages. Profane words exist in the dictionary (feel free to check). While I did not think my words were "big," I sincerely apologize if my diction is far above your intelligence or education level. If your claim that you have family involved in the mob is supposed to frighten or intimidate me, you are sorely mistaken.

[quanfa88]

@bizarreunderworld Family involvement in organized crime is something of which to be ashamed, not proud. Do not feel bad; every family has problems. However, boasting of such association is indicative of childishness and immaturity. I suppose I equal scum, because I work for a living at an honest job & assume responsibility for my actions. I suppose if I (like the mob) got my neighborhood's teenagers addicted to heroin, ruinied my community, then sold out my boss when the police arrested me,

[bizarreunderworld]

@quanfa88 Lol your funny. Why should I be ashamed? I'm proud. I also work for a living, a honest job. Very proud of who I am. I feel sorry for you.

[quanfa88]

@bizarreunderworld then I would be an upstanding citizen. Anyway, I've already wasted enough of my life educating you. Either absorb what you have learned and change your life, or go back to fellating your criminal idols. I'm sure the more they use and abuse you and your family, the more you will respect and defend them.

[bizarreunderworld]

@quanfa88 Will do. Did i mention i'm getting this guys initials tattooed on my body? I already have Ice Man's :)

[quanfa88]

@bizarreunderworld Good one:-).

[bizarreunderworld]

@quanfa88 yea :)

[RamirezWorshipper]

R.I.P Philip Carlo

[rescue233]

@ jerrysbro I agree with you. I read both books and was a bit disappointed when I read the disclamer about the Galante hit.

[double42]

I'm reading this book right now .

[joesolese]

I've read some of the greatest true crime books on the mafia ever. Mafia Dynasty, The way of The Wiseguy, Accardo, War of the Godfathers, The Valachi Papers, Sammy The bull, Gotti, Even ones about the Decavalcante's aka "Sopranos'"but I have to read this one. Tommy Pitera was ruthless. Gotta Love the Bonnano's

[999666999666]

i would also like to see a book on Gerrard Pappa there not much info on him at all, BOOK on the pireta was awesome he was a true mafia psychopath

[benbenben796]

I agree about Tony Mirra,but how about Gerrard Pappa,the Genovese hitman,he was said to be the baddest of the bad asses.They should write a book about him,theirs no books about the Genovese family members.I think it would be very interesting.

[TheGonzoRider]

pitera was a psycho wich hurt him becouse you Don't Keep Victims Items!

[Desvena]

name of the song please???

[MultiPlayaaa]

the most crazy white man walking the streets of new york in the 1970s and early 1980s was MICKY FEATHERSTONE

[32alltheway]

what a bunch of garbage.. kulinski killed roy demeo and carmine galante?? how come no other depictions of any of these events is stated anywhere else

[christopher9986]

I must say I'm impressed by Pitera. The Pitera story seems legit. There was a lot of talk about him, the books Pitera read, and the martial arts training, this guy was interesting and crazy. Childhood created or maginified any potential genetic predispositions that Pitera had. Kuklinksi, while interesting in speach, I will not agree he is by any means completely legit. Pitera was a made guy and a stand up guy till the end.

[cardphins68]

RIP Philip Carlo and thank you for the books you authored.

[dasboot19801]

I've read most of Carlo's books. The Kuklinski book was utter BS, and I was suprised Carlo bought into his obvious lies. However, the book on Pitera was clear, concise, and thoroughly accurate. Pitera is a very cagey, brutal, homicidal sociopath almost in a class of his own. But, he went on trial with a potential death sentence hanging over him, and he didn't rat. Unheard of these days. Still, the world is a better place without Tommy Pitera roaming free in it.

[dlr1241]

@dasboot19801 great observations. I agree

[reasland]

@dasboot19801 I liked the iceman book, even if some of it is bullshit. Im gonna read gaspipe next it looks pretty good, im still reading the pitera book and its awesome.

[MultiMAGICDAN]

@dasboot19801 how do you know richard was a BS, just because he aint mentioned dont mean hes a BS lol

[sausageNmash1990]

@newsakafias IS HE DEAD....???

[FuckFaceUnited2000]

does this guy have a fucking breathing diffuculty or something?

[reasland]

@FuckFaceUnited2000  he had lou gehrigs disease, he passed away in December, great loss, good author

[FuckFaceUnited2000]

@reasland oh shit, didn't know he passed away, just bought his book 'gaspipe' yesterday, gonna get stuck in to it tonight, hope its as good as 'murder machine', that book was insane!

[reasland]

@FuckFaceUnited2000 im now reading his last book which is "the killer within" which Im enjoying. Youve gotta read his book Iceman, it's fucken awesome I read it twice I could hardly put it down.

[FuckFaceUnited2000]

@reasland was gonna buy that too, but from what i've heard and been reading all over the place, kuklinski was a grade A bullshitter, and I ain't really into fiction! He claims to have whacked roy demeo, i've read 2 books about demeo including one by his own son, and neither mentions kuklinski once. I know theres an old saying - "never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn", but I personally prefer the truth when it comes to reading TRUE crime.

[reasland]

@FuckFaceUnited2000 I have the Gaspipe book, I havent started reading it yet, I also have Friends of the Family: the inside story of the mafia cops case by Tommy Dades and Mike Vecchione (Gaspipe called these corrupt cops his crystal ball, they could always tell what was going to happen). Check out the tommy pitera book (the butcher) by phillip carlo as well.

[FuckFaceUnited2000]

@reasland yeah the butchers gonna be my next book for sure

[reasland]

@FuckFaceUnited2000 dudes like a fucken vampire

[FuckFaceUnited2000]

@reasland you should check out murder machine, its about roy demeo who was a soldier in the gambino family. Demeo and his crew whacked over 200 people and when kuklinski was due him money, demeo kicked the shit outta the ice-man before he got kuklinski to work for him. If you think kuklinski was bad, demeo was fucking insane!

[kingjimos]

@FuckFaceUnited2000 ice man lied about the boss kill but the demeo kill he had info about it that only the killer could have know!

[FuckFaceUnited2000]

@kingjimos afraid not fella, demeo's killers were his own men, senter and testa, who then defected to anthony "gaspipe" casso, who took the demeo contract after john gotti was too shit scared to accept it himself, kuklinski had fuck-all to do with it, kuklinski worked occasionally for demeo and thats about it

[cabagool]

@FuckFaceUnited2000 True, Kuklinksi was full of shit. He also claimed he had info about Sammy the Bull killing a NYC cop. Which turned out to be bullshit as well. Nino Gaggi set DeMeo up and the gemini twins killed him. Which makes sense, cause by that time, they were the only ones DeMeo trusted.

[FuckFaceUnited2000]

@cabagool Yeah DeMeo trusted them, but after reading DeMeo's sons book, I think Roy knew he was going to be killed when he went to meet Gaggi. It seem's he just accepted his fate and went out like a true mafiosi.

[cabagool]

@FuckFaceUnited2000 Yes, it's an old cliche' but in the end it's the ones you trust that kill you in the mafia.

[FuckFaceUnited2000]

@cabagool Still, I would fucking love to live that life!

[cabagool]

@FuckFaceUnited2000 You would? each to his own...the feds are all over them these times. A boss only has a decade at max before they put him behind bars for life. Still it always fascinated me, much more than the Italian mafia.

[kalcom2]

Thanks for the warning - I was eating a bowl of spaggetti when the dismembered head appeared

[drbrandovalentine]

When you're a cold blooded killer you don't always tell the truth, Yeah Kuklinski may have bullshitted Carlo but i don't think it was all lies. Some of the stuff was confirmed by people in the 'know'. Nobody here can talk shit cuz regardless how many and who, he did kill and he would kill some jerk off who's tough behind a computer but would NEVER dare say shit like that to his face. AND he was Connected, so don't act so brave on youtube people.

[drbrandovalentine]

I don't know about Karate taking out Iceman, i think Iceman would win. There's a movie being made about The Iceman and may star Mickey Rourke.

[sunsprie]

i loved the ice man book but it really seems like he talked shit sometimes.He had to much detail that he wouldnt know of unless he was there

[wewillwinit6times]

Shoot, never even realised he'd recently passed away, Rest In Peace Philip.

I recently read his book on Richard Ramirez & am now onto Richard Kuklinski, both are extremely well detailed & certainly in the case of The Iceman book it's so well written out seemingly following a plotline (instead of a lot of books on this type of subject where it just goes along in dribs & drabs) that I have to sometimes remember that it's a work of nonfiction rather than fiction, takes a genius to write like that.

[MrUgotz472]

@wewillwinit6times , Carlo is a great author, personally, I enjoy the way he tells a story. As for the Iceman, that guy is full of sh*t. Oh yeah he clipped a guy or two, just not like the book details.

[sigurjong]

r.i.p. Phil Carlo.

[87mrreynolds]

r.i.p phillip carlo

[MemoryMan1964]

Philip Carlo

1949 - 2010

(Author of "The Butcher: Anatomy of a Mafia Psychopath")

[MemoryMan1964]

Philip Carlo

1949 - 2010

(Author of "The Butcher: Anatomy of a Mafia Psychopath")

[MrUgotz472]

@MemoryMan1964 , I didn't know/hear anything, about his passing...R.I.P Mr.Carlo...you're one helluva author.

[MemoryMan1964]

R.I.P. Philip Carlo

[chingford1]

the iceman vs tommy pitera. who would win

[MrUgotz472]

@chingford1 , why I'm even answering this...Tommy "Karate" Pitera, would take care of Kuklinski with ease.

[jerrysbro]

I'd take the "Iceman" book with a grain of salt, because he devotes a whole chapter

to a detailed account of Kuklinski's involvement in the Carmine Galante hit- his movements that day,what he was wearing,weapons used,even the type of sandwich

he was eating in the restaurant- and then, in this "Butcher" book, he gives a completely different account, and informs us in a little footnote that Kuklinski wasn't

involved! Umm.......what the hell? No credibility.

[BigFeesh85]

@jerrysbro i know what your saying. There are alot of inconsistencies with his books. the books are nonfiction so not everything written in the book is 100% accurate. i have read both books and most of sources come from the side of law enforcement and informants not the true criminals that he writes about

[VinceVicious1]

@jerrysbro I really enjoyed the Iceman book but I agree, as interesting and entertaining as Kuklinski was, he was full of shit!

[MrUgotz472]

@jerrysbro,The Iceman, made himself look a lot more important that he actually was, he embellished on most of his stories...that is those we can refute, imagine the others? Pitera earned his killer rep, the fact that he was a martial artist, only added to his mystique...a known/reputed killer, who's hands and feet should be considered weapons/deadly weapons due to his expertise.

[drbrandovalentine]

@jerrysbro you're right about that but i just think Kuklinski was lying. The guys was an assassin and he probably was fucking with Carlo but that doesn't mean he lied about other things tho. its not Carlos fault. good point tho, i noticed that too and was like wtf?

[dlr1241]

@jerrysbro I posted the other day that I just finished reading "Murder Machine" the story of the Roy Demeo crew. These guys killed dozens of people, Kuklinski is never mentioned.

[dlr1241]

@jerrysbro I posted the other day that I just finished reading "Murder Machine" the story of the Roy Demeo crew. These guys killed dozens of people, Kuklinski is never mentioned. I just ordered this book on Amazon, RIP Mr. Carlo thank you for your many fine works.

[bizarreunderworld]

@jerrysbro Ok, learn to read beyond 3 words. He wrote the book Ice Man based on evidence at the time and what Richard Leonard Kuklinski had told him. Later on, new details and evidence came to light. Answer it? Don't thumbs up this comment, keep it deeper down than the Ice Mans kills.

[sittingduhk]

Is this the guy Joey Karate was talking about?

[bigscore]

Best book i ever read was "Murder Machine" Roy DeMeo of the Gambinos..If you havent read it..PLEASE oick it up

[whyplaytheracecard]

Worst author in the history of man, everything he writes is misinformed or just a pure lie, he contradicts himself in every book he writes. You read one book and he will tell you that Kuklinski killed this person and that person, then you read another book and it says that Gaspipe killed those people. I love the books but they are supposed to be Biographies not just stories he has heard around the neighbourhood.

[seerauberjohnny]

@whyplaytheracecard you're so right,and in addition to his crap writing style,his books are also very poorly researched.I read Gaspipe and couldn't believe how he tried to lend nobility to a character who was clearly a moron

[whyplaytheracecard]

@seerauberjohnny It's been a few years since I've read them but I remember I liked his writing style, especially in The Ice Man, he really sucked me in. But it was disheartening to find out that he had no idea what he was talking about or did not research facts, rather than just believe (in the case of The Ice Man) whatever the guy telling the story says.

[SayHI2TheBadGuyMang]

@nycboyforlife - I can't find that fuckin' book anywhere... would love to read it. Another one I can't find is Cullotta... looking like I'll have to order online. I'm addicted to the mob - lol.

[SayHI2TheBadGuyMang]

@primemoralesno1 - just bought Gaspipe on Sunday... I'm just near the end of the Piterra book. If you just open Gaspipe and read a random page its pretty interesting.. I'd recommend it and I haven't even read it yet. Don't think it'll top the Kuklinski book (Piterra's doesn't either IMO), but I'm starting to wonder how much of that is truth.. Kuklinski has bullshitted quite a bit it seems.. he wasn't involved in at least 3 of the hits he's claimed to be (DeMeo, Galante, and Hoffa)..

[primemoralesno1]

Ive read the Pitera book as well as the Kuklinski book, both are good books. Think I might try the gaspipe one next, Ive heard its good.

[soooooo89]

@primemoralesno1 i would recommend the night stalker book that he published about richard ramirez, very disturbing. if you enjoyed the ice man then you will relish the night stalker.

[BRYDEN1985]

@soooooo89 ur right...iceman is my fav book ever, read it over and over, but the nightstalker isn't too far off in my opinion

[soooooo89]

@BRYDEN1985 i agree, read the both of them myself and thought they were brilliant. im eager now to read the butcher, ive ordered it online so ill look forward to that one!

[XHeath86]

@BRYDEN1985 Ive just bought the book on Ramirez, with a new death row interview in it.

[abeautifullthing]

someone should write a book on the Detroit partnership. not the midwest as a whole but specificly the Detroit cosa nostra family.

[MrBumboclart]

I want a Carmine Galante book, the guy is so insane it would be great.

[MrBumboclart]

This book was OK but seemed really rushed, key points of Pitera's life were skipped. For example, there is only like 3 paragraphs on him growing up. His time in Japan is squeezed into a chapter and his 1st murder isn't even discussed, all it says is: 'He made his bones by killing someone for the Bonnano.'

[billingtonmarc25]

Carlo's books are full of errors. No true Mafia buff can be a Carlo fan.

[nycboyforlife]

One of the best books ever written was "Murder Machine" by Jerry Capeci and gene Mustain. This book talks about Roy DeMeo's crew and they were a nasty bunch.

[SaftAusKeine]

Carlo's got some guts, most people wouldn't touch the subjects and people he mentions...

[JMcLovn]

I read about 20 or so mob books including gas pipe & the butcher which were both very good books in different ways. The joe dogs book was good, blood & honor is one of my favorites along with unlocked & whatever ur opinion of sammy aside underboss was a good read. Just finished a book about greg scarpa & how he was a top echelon informant & a feared hit man at the same time for 30 years.

[TheParker1976]

Gaspipe is the best of Carlos books. Iceman was good, but its come out that lots of the Guys Kuklinski claimed to kill where bullshit. Not saying He wasent a fucking maniac but... Another really good book is( Joe Dogs) by Joseph Iannuzzi Great book!!

[TheAeonKing]

just finished the butcher.great book ,but the iceman still my favourite

[Cosbyswank]

Butcher was a great book. I'm now reading The Iceman. Carlo is a great writer, displaying horror not unlike Thomas Harris with the saavy to describe insider ambiance of the mafia lifestyle. I'm more than intrigued in his writings.

[ToonandBBfan]

Roy DeMeo was a worse killer/dismemberer.

I wish somebody would write a book about Tony Mirra

[VANGAMME]

@ToonandBBfan  I agree on that Tony Mirra book that would be fascinating.

[Portilloizay]

Yeah, a Mirra book would be awesome.

[RefiningMask1]

Really good book. I've read Iceman 6 times now, looking to read The Butcher a couple more :)

[justinoakley999]

i just bought this book. looking forward to getiing into it... as soon as i finish a clockwork orange, which is a fucking task.

[craig7516]

Phillip is the best true crime author there is and this book is nothing less than u would expect from such a great writer. I am so sad to hear about the illness. I was do shocked when I found out and no I'm not sure if there will be anymore books from this intriguing author.

[tiger5455]

carlo said in an recent interview,in research for this book pitera refused to talk to him so he had to rely on court/police documents,he even heard pitera was furious about this book

[tiger5455]

this was a great book,disturbing that its actually all true..

[TonyStarkIndustries]

i just finished reading this book today. it was alright.....im almost done reading joey the hitman now that is a great book it gets more into detail about the mafia and its ways of doing business. another good book to read is the accountants story by roberto escobar.

[GraveDiggerJones81]

i just read the book and was highly dispointed. many mistakes from the author, it was really embarassing - at one point he confused joe massino with joe masseria - pretty bad research imo

[snugglie79]

i grew up in bensonhurst during the tommy karate era. there where bodies all over.

[Appnin]

I just red the book. Sounded like a very frightening guy, did you ever meet him?

[corkfield1]

i think a movie is been made about greg scarpa..cant wait

[northportman]

this poor man has ALS. so so sad

[321dkny]

whats als, never heard of it before, how does it affect your body

[northportman]

its i believe, arterial? lateral schlerosis and is  a muscle wasting disease that is fatal. you may know it by its other name, lou gehrigs disease.

[321dkny]

cheer's, never heard of it before. sad to see him sick like that have all his books they make for good reading, happy xmas to ya

[northportman]

i know its very sad to see. and happy xmas to you as well, its nice to meet someone on youtube that is pleasant.

[thegreeninferno]

The authors sister was pretty hot back in the day!

[tweezee]

i wonder who was worst! pitera or demeo.

[BadDonTommy]

Yes its a real head, good book. But makes you think how much kuklinskilied about

[louey]

At 1:04, u guys think it's a real head?

[321dkny]

it's real his name was sol stern pitera thought he was a rat so killed him and chopped him up,the photo's from cops crime scene photos, given to carlo for the book.

[MrItalyguy]

mr carlo just right a book about joey and anthony from roy demeos crew from canarsie they were so well known in canarsie they were FEARED AS WELL anthony senter trust me the book would fly off the shelves oh and btw i just bought both books casso and tommy lived in canarsie all my life on there block 87th st

[kalcom2]

Pitera used to get in the bathtub naked to cut up his victims - he made ed gein seem normal.

[tiger5455]

i liked carlos book on gaspipe and the iceman,the butcher was a good read too,wonder why us europeans got first release,anyways if you go to his site ,there is an video about this up coming book,at the end it even includes small bit of footage of Pitera interviewed

[manto316]

have read the iceman and gaspipe,carlo is a great writer,hard to put his books down.cant wait to get stuck in to the butcher!

[MayanWarrior]

Philp Carlo is one my favourite authors of all time. He steps into realms that people are afraid to tap into.

[colsh1690]

i,ve been reading the butcher book and reccommend it to anybody. the iceman book is also a great book. hard to put down

[MayanWarrior]

Is the Butcher book already out on book shelves?? I thought it wasn't going to be released until october.

[FeegieDeuceCrew]

You read Murder Machine? Roy DeMeo made half the wiseguys in NYC look like boy scouts. Murder Machine is an amazing book :)

[colsh1690]

thanx for that feegiedeucecrew i,m gonna chek that out, is murdermachine about Roy DeMeo then? i remember reading about him in the iceman book DeMeo and his crew were one of the most feared in new york i remember thinkin that wid be a great read. i agree that philp carlo is the best crime writer out there i really hope he beats that illness i wonder why he never started writing years ago.

[FeegieDeuceCrew]

its about roy demeo, dominick montiglio and nino gaggi - plus roy's crew, the gemini crew. Theres a line on the cover of the book that sums it up perfectly - "the new york crew responsible for killing more americans than the iraqi army" - brilliant book

[wesisdadon]

yeah and whats odd is it was the gambino social club ,..just shows how all the familys had a hand in it

[FeegieDeuceCrew]

Really? that i did not know.

Tony accardo was my favourite gangster, until i read murder machine - now my fave is nino gaggi - he was hardcore.

incidentally, william roomer's book "accardo - the real godfather" is another brilliant read, it deals more with the higher echelons of organized crime, where murder machine kinda deals with the nuts and bolts street level crime. but accardo was immense, so smart, he was in the game for 7 decades, boss twice, always the power behind the scenes :-)

[wesisdadon]

accardo i believe had even more power than carlo gambino , they say tony had more brains before breakfast than capone had all day

i have to say my fave is , anastasia he was a nutt ... after reading the pizza connection ive become interested in

cesare bonventre but cant find to much on him except for like the wiki type crap

[FeegieDeuceCrew]

damit, i dont get the bio channel - theres used to be a channle on youtube called mobstars tv, every week or so they would add a new mafia documentary, the last ones they did were wiretapping the mafia and the chin gigante, but then the channel just disapeared - now ive got nowhere to watch mafia documentaries.

yup - accardo was the man. the FBI actually used to call him "The Man", roemer was after him for years and by the end totally respected him, he was a man of his word and avoided drugs

[wesisdadon]

yeah i loved mobstars tv and was disapointed when it left .... i think ive seen basicaly all youtube may have to offer on the subject

netflix does have some realy good choices though

[FeegieDeuceCrew]

I don't like the insane gangsters to much, i like people like accardo, gambino, frank costello was a legend - theres a doc on youtube about costello, well worth watching

[Fungwabus117]

are you talking about the character in the departed named frank costello? because his real name was whitey bulger and he was in boston. i live in boston

[FeegieDeuceCrew]

No, I was talking about Franchesco Castiglia - Frank Costello - The Prime Minister of the Underworld - yeah i know the character in the departed was kinda based on bulger

[FeegieDeuceCrew]

i assume you've watched the 3 part documentary on the demeo crew? :-)

[wesisdadon]

oh yes .... i just hate the poor quality

much better when it came on the bio channel i believe it was

[FeegieDeuceCrew]

the outfit was cool though, two of the top men were murray humphreys, a welshman, and gus alex, a greek - the outfit was alot more diverse than in new york. they didnt have a making ritual, you got made with a handshake - theyd kill anyone involved in drugs - one time burgl;ars robbed the home of one of accardos childhood friends, accardo got the stuff back for him, but then the burglars burgled accardos house to get back at him. uh-oh. over the next few weeks they found all the burglars and ...

[FeegieDeuceCrew]

the burglar's fences dead in car boots all over chicago - trunk music as they call it. 11 perople got killed because they dared to rob JB's house. he was The Man. :)

[wesisdadon]

it takes a special kind of idiot to rob tony accardo , im sure they knew who's house they were hitting

i respect all the ones who kept out of the bussiness of narcotics

[CarloTheGambino]

oh yeah they did, all the upper echelon guys in the outfit stayed in the same area - it was well known mafia territory - you did not commit crimes there full stop.

it was a profesional team of burglars as well, not just crackhead idiots, they knew wat they were doing - they robbed rich peoples houses and made hundreds of thousands, cant remember the guys name. but it didnt matter a jot - as soon as they entered that neighborhood they were as good as dead.

[wesisdadon]

thanks ill have to check it out

gotta love the prime minister

[CarloTheGambino]

yeah ive watched everything youtube has to offer.

another good one is "gangland graveyard" about joe massino and the 3 captains murder, i think it may be on yahoo video or google video - joe massino was another legend - shame he flipped.

ill check out netflix nice one dude - good to talk to another mafia-fan like me

[wesisdadon]

i saw that not too long ago on pbs i believe it was , very interesting i thought

yeah massino was at the time the most powerful boss in nyc at the time and then he flips on his whole family

[CarloTheGambino]

yeah well they all flipped on him first, sal vitale and louis tartagglione and frank coppa - theres some brilliant family photos of massino out there, some at a party at his house, some of when he went on holiday to europe with frank coppa. theres one of him and frank coppa and their wives sitting having coffee in a parisien cafe - they just look like normal tourists, it bizzarre.

in murder machine they mention roy demeo's home videos of the barbecues he used to have - id love to see them

[MayanWarrior]

Broadway Freddy was filming those videos. Wish we could see them. Bet Roy had a thick Brooklyn/ Long Island accent. Henry, Joey, and Anthony aka The Gemini Crew are still alive in jail. Wonder why they havn't been interviewed?

[CarloTheGambino]

totally - would love to see that. theres an interview on youtube with luciano leggio, but its all in italian - no subtitles, really annoying.

[cunterkooter]

@CarloTheGambino I would like to see those videos as well!

[CarloTheGambino]

i kinda pitied roy by the end of murder machine - the death of his brother really affected him i think

[wesisdadon]

roy was affected ill say thats for sure

the whole crew ,

im interested in dracula the gemmini lounge crypt keeper

seems mysterious

[CarloTheGambino]

oh yeah, joseph guglielmo, roys "cousin" - he seemed to be more into the murder than the money.

good to talk to someone that shares my enclyclopedic knowledge of the mafia - i think if i went on mastermind, that would be my subject - the amercan mafia from 1910 to 1990 - actually just finished reading an amazing book - "the first family", about guiseppe "the clutch hand" morello and ignazio "lupo the wolf" saietta & nick & ciro "the artichoke king" terranova

[wesisdadon]

there are alot of us mafia fans around ..

ive not read that one , i shall have to give it a try

[CarloTheGambino]

Brilliant line from lupo the wolf _ " i should like to be a boy again in sicily, and die young, and never know all these years of struggle and evil"

check it out - nick terranova was a legend :-)

[wesisdadon]

you got that right pal !

murder machine was just what it says a major murder machine ... the demeo crew couldnt be touched by anyone except maybe murder inc ... pitsburg phill knocked off a ton of bumbs as he called them

ice man is just full of shit .... richard was a a damndable liar , he had nothing to do with the galante hit .... it just could not have happend

it wouldnt have went to an associate no matter how good

but i totaly agree with you and sorry about the rant lol

[FeegieDeuceCrew]

totally loved murder machine, i keep it in the toilet and have a flick through whenever im having a dump.

kuklinski claimed to have killed demeo aswell, he's a bullshitter - bruno indelicato, baldo amato and cesare bonventre killed galante, theres even a surveillance video from just after the murder where bruno indelicato arrives at a mafia social club looking sweaty and nervous, hes congratulated by the men outside and then he says to one of them "this shit has got to stop"

nino was a legend

[dpgcto]

Tommy Karate was a serious gangster!