Dont you think these people (Obama adminitration) is going to FIGHT LIKE HELL to make sure these records (weather there or not) dont reach the light of day? Obama spent 2.8 MILLION...MILLION PEOPLE, to fight off lawsuits asking for his credentials. He ordered ALL of his college transcripts and other vitals SEALED FROM THE PUBLIC..I know I know, Its hard to beleive that your GOD would lie, or that people would lie for him...JUST GIVE THE BIRTHERS A CHANCE TO GO ALL THE WAY WITH THIS..QUIT CRYING
@MotorCityPlayer Of the 74 birther lawsuits that have been filed to date, Obama defended himself in only three of them. All the others either did not name him as a defendant or were dismissed sua sponte. Three motions to dismiss and three court appearances by one's lawers is probably a hundred grand at a good law firm, nowhere near a million, still less 2.8. As for the record sealing, it's SOP for an incoming President, and almost word for word the same order Reagan signed.
the latest move by several states demanding proof of citizenship to be put on the ballot for the next election and the Hawaii Governor's failed document search.....changes the game buddy. One term Obama will be the results.
...........See if Obama was born in the US his grandmother was wrong twice.
Well,actually Title 8 section 1401 (h) has the answer! Then again if there are any doubts find the answer through INS. The INS website has the rules for citizenship(natural-born/native-born) under INA:ACT 301 (h) !!! But yet if you still want to doubt then simply find out when his father entered Hawaii !!!!!
Orly taitz is GaGa don''t pay attention to her, I accuse her of being Lady GaGa's iligitimate mother and want to subpena her DNA because I Bet she'll deny it.
BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS! (Sung to the tune of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic") Mine eyes have not yet seen Obama's birth certificate. It is hidden in a vault Where no mere mortal hand can get. Obama's C. O. L. B. is a Lousy counterfeit. It's proof we're searching for!!!! Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!! Taitz and Berg are gonna sue ya!!! It's so easy to see through ya!!! It's proof we're searching for!!!
What the hell does it matter if the communist son of a whore has a birth certificate or not? His father was a foreign national and he was a citizen of Indonesia, which means he is ineligible to be president....period!
His father's citizenship does not matter and,even if he was a citizen of Indonesia, he never lost his US citizenship under US law. He is eligible and is President. You need to learn the law.
The long form would shut everyone up. So let's see it, right? What's the biggie anyhow? Believe me, it would calm a lot of minds, not a few, but hundereds of thousands. I for one don't like or agree with the guy, but let's put the cards on the table, put this bit to rest or throw the government in jail! hehehe...
The short form is sufficient for legal purposes. Withholding the long form assures the continued existence of birthers like yourself.
Don't you get it? Obama WANTS you guys around. He WANTS you to be the face of the Republican party. He WANTS moderates, almost none of whom are falling for this nonsense, to perceive the conservative party as a bunch of lunatics, and by being so loud about it, that's exactly the face you're putting on the right wing.
That's just not true. The lawyer in this case, Orly Taitz, is very clear that she will not drop her actions even if given the long-form birth certificate showing Obama was born in Hawaii. Birthers have a list of reasons why Barack Obama cannot really be President.
Yes, thinking on it, it would not shut everyone up. It will close the chapter for most and the rest will never be happy for whatever reason. I think that it can only help Obama and hurt the Orly case anyhow. Beyond that, it would be good to see. I don't see it would hurt him, it's a reasonable request. If it's not then the government can back off on asking any info from the people born in this country. In the end, for me, it's information that is being asked. Why not? it would really help.
"It will close the chapter for most and the rest will never be happy for whatever reason."
If they listened to facts and reason, they'd be gone by now.
Thinking you could dispel a conspiracy theory by ascending to the believers' demands is just naive. Whatever they get will raise more questions than it answers. What they don't get will be their new obsession.
Yes I comprehend that some people have bad intenitons and want to use these things. If you reason on this for a moment, there are people, American people, that just want to know. Now, within that mix of haters that hate for the sake of hate, there are folks that just want to know. We are not talking about 3 people asking, we are talking about folks of all ages and views here. Even Dems, not all, or most, but even Dems. I think poll are bull, but they have some value. There are a buch out there.
The people who just want to know, do know. Did you even watch the video? David is reading from a federal court ruling. Take the clues already.
You seen to think that the proper response to such harassment, lies, and bigotry is to keep giving the kooks what they demand, and that's naive at best. The questions were answered long ago. Further tantrums will not be entertained.
The lady had no standing. I got that bit. She falls under her oath. She is stuck because she is in the military. I'm not one for putting everyone in as bigots because they want to see. At best one could argue a number of people may have this issue and others not. I really don't care what race he is. He's half black and white anyways.The race card is a cop out. Are blacks that want to see,bigots too?Or are there no blacks that want to see the long form?If not for whites, would he of won?
Not from the Court decision in this case you didn't. Standing only came up in a note about a previous case.
People who are after the truth don't fabricate stuff like that. I don't know each individual eligibility deniers deal, but that doesn't mean you are fooling anyone.
Obama's mother would not have been allowed to fly to Africa by the airlines. Africa required numerous vaccinations which doctors would not give to a pregnant woman of any trimester as it would harm the baby. The airlines would have not allowed her to fly after the 2nd trimester (6 months). Anyone anywhere near 50 years old knows that international travel from Hawaii to Mombasa in 1961 would have been extremely costly, time consuming and difficult. IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
Isn't it amazing that the birthers believe Obama was born halfway around the world in a 3rd world African nation in 1961. These idiots don't understand that the travel would not have been possible for a pregnant mother or newborn baby. Plus the travel would have been very difficult and expensive with numerous connecting flights. And third, there would be travel and passport records of this travel for the mother, the father and for baby Obama. Cheney would have found that stuff long ago.
"These idiots don't understand that the travel would not have been possible for a pregnant mother or newborn baby"
Impossible, I don't know. But highly unlikely. Going to a place like Kenya would have required innoculations. Which means she would have had to get the approval of a doctor. When you point such an obvious thing out to a birther, they totally ignore it.
It would be fun to reconstruct what the Obama's would have to do to make this happen. Kinda like Mythbusters.
How much would plane fair be from Hawaii to Kenya in 1961? How far would they have to travel from the airport to Obama Sr.'s village? Would a Dr. ever recommend an expected mother to travel to 3rd world country?
Plane fare from Hawaii to Kenya? Probably more like Hawaii to an Asian city and then maybe Cairo or possibly Kenya. It was 1961. It would have been outrageously expensive. Probably enough to pay for college for several years. And the racist teabaggers have to know that Obama Sr. would've bought himself a new Cadillac if he had that kind of money ;-).
The point is that Obama has spent $1,400,000 to hide a $10 birth certificate that he could release anytime.
Why is Obama hiding all records from his past?
I know why. Because he was born in Kenya and attended college here as a foreign exchange student from Indonesia. There are the facts why Obama will not release the documents.
Obamabots that actually believe the messiah was born in Hawaii should demand that he release his long form birth certificate.
You posted this exact same comment on part 3 of this series, word for word, except for the last sentence. I think you're desperately trying to convince yourself.
Hawaii official have sworn that they thave the long form and that it shows he was born in Hawaii. If you can find a real Kenyan BC bring it on. Obama has no obligation to realease any documents to prove his citizenship. The burden of proof is on the accuser. If you don't believe the COLB is genuine or the sworn statements of the Hawaii officials that they have the original long form, that it YOUR problem.
I laughed my ass off when I heard the case had been thrown out. The silly so-called "lawyer " twat (Orly Taitz) didn't appear to understand that the burden of proof is upon the accuser - NOT the defendant - to PROVE that the defendant is guilty. That's the case in all modern western countries.
The judge's comments were absolutely hilarious. I hope Taitz is enjoying her new anus.
Nice job of reading a report on the judge's decision. Now how about addressing the issue. Admittedly, Orly Taitz is not presenting strong cases for her clients. They bear the burden of proof. They cannot prove anything because they lack certified documents. They lack certified documents because Obama and his agents have made damn sure that none are available. They are all hidden away or don't exist. The COLB is an image, not a tangible document. It proves nothing. Where's the birth certificaIe?
Orly Taitz is a racist schill, lol, and lost in her strange fantasy world, there is guy on youtube that claims to have found elephants creatures on mars and the moon using machines to dig up minerals, in facts in one he shows them having coffee, lol
it doesn't matter if Obama was born on the White House lawn, his faher was not an American citizen and had alligence to England.. A potential president has more hurdles to jump than birthplace.. my2cents..
You trolls need to wipe the Obama dripping off your chin. Why are you trolls so angry all the time? Is it because of the plumeting poll numbers? Maybe cause hes the first crack smokin, communist, larry sinclair cigar smoker weve had in the white house? Or is it cause you just cant find a good lesbo video to watch lately? Aw shucks he just dropped another 2 poll points today. What a pity!
In case you didn't notice, the owner of this video isn't angry...he's LAUGHING at all you birther clowns and your inability to comprehend and deal with reality.
More specifically, "Birther" is a derogatory name given to people who exercise their first amendment right to ask if Article II, Section I of the US constitution is being followed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over until someone finally responds in the way they would politically prefer.
I'm not too certain... but i'm pretty sure that it is against the UCMJ to publicly question the President and his orders. So that Captain most likely is going to get a dishonorable discharge.
i know for a fact, I member of the Armed Forces can not openly criticize the president, while in Military Uniform.
also, I know for a fact. A member of the Armed Forces can not suggest that a Superior Officer committed Perjury with out sufficient evidence to prove suggestion to be correct. otherwise, said claimer is under violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
I think the constitution applies to everyone in that list. Doesn't it.
actually no, the Oath of Enlistment and the Oath of Commissioned Officer are two separate oaths given to by two completely different members of military.. but thats besides the point.
What the Oath means, as accordance to the constitution, is that we will defend the liberties that the constitution provides. the UCMJ, when it comes to liberties, says that we are not allowed to show any affiliation to anything other than the United States and your Military service.
we(as in military members) are not allowed to voice our opinions about the president, no matter what the situation. Its called treason, and it is punishable under the UCMJ. Such Punishment(during times of war) is up to but not limited to death, Jail time, Forfeiture of pay, or/and Loss of Rank.
one, The orders are already shown to be constitutional. The Wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan are wars started by the former president. Wars can not end immediately upon an arrival of a new president... The same Deployment orders still apply. Nothing has changed drastically when it comes to military policy. The same people are in office other than a new president. Questioning whether the same policy is constitutional is far behind in the game.
yes, only congress can give the power to declare war to the president. Though, the president can easily(as its shown to have already happen with Iraq) mislead congress on the reasoning for invasion.
Also, the president can invade another country for 24 hours, before having to retract all soldiers.
when it comes to him showing it to the public.. Just because you give a dog a bone, doesnt stop it from pissing on the couch.
Whats that saying is even if he decides to show his right to be president, people will still try to either discredit the document, or they will try to find something else to get him kicked out for..
Rumors are a fact of life with any public figure, and there's no reason that videotape of Obama being born with a lei around his neck, much less the long form birth certificate, would quell the rumors of those who are desperate to believe it.
The 1st 4 words of that msg summarize the birther position, to wit "Rumors are a fact."
When they finished that Luke Wilson / Maya Randolph movie, they had to keep the cast occupied with something - and there were no chess boards or philosophy books handy. And thus the birther movement was formed. it's a fact. Look it up. Can't find it? Proof the man is in a conspiracy to keep the true facts hidden.
the way orders work is not by choice directly by the president, but by the people appointed above you. i'm not too sure about the Army(though i'm sure its no different), but the AF randomly chooses people with the qualified rank and experience in the service to fill in spots for deployments.
If a president is impeached, and a new president took office, we still can not openly criticize the former president about policies he held while he was in office...
As a military member, you fight for other people's right to freedom, though you, yourself are given limited freedom.
I'm in the USAF and i can tell you. with my experience with the Army, they have a serious problem with thinking properly. My good friend is a US Army Vet, and she even believes the majority of them are outright retarded.
I'm in the Military. I've gone on 6 different co-operation missions with the army. One, the army requires the lowest scores out of all the branches of the military. two, The army is known for recruiting criminal felons...
The Marines attack first.
The Navy controls the seas.
The Air Force Controls the skys and space.
The army..... well we can just have them pick up all the dead bodies of our enemies.
so, instead of commenting on my comment that directly relates to the Captain, you decided to comment on the one about how the majority of Army soldiers are stupid.... i'm going to let that one sink in for a bit....
also, anybody with a bachelors can become an officer, as long as you meet the mental and physical fit tests. Military Doctors only need 4 years of college, and 4 years of medical school to be a doctor. They do not need to wait 3 years as an intern.
if i wait a year and a half, i could have the exact degree she has, though that is not what the argument is about. You are selecting what the argument is about. My original thread was talking about who the majority of the Army are stupid. You were arguing on the behalf of the Captain. Though it clearly misses the original comment.
I'd agree that Capt. Rhodes isn't retarded; she probably knows that this isn't going anywhere, that she's going off to Iraq. She's simply politically motivated to discredit the President, and has decided that the consequences of letting Orly file this bullshit on her behalf are worth it in that regard.
Please, post these statistics. You have never offered any to prove your point. You just insult the Army over and over again. Not to belittle the service you Zoomies provide, but the Army does the majority of the work in whatever theater of operations the United States is working in.
Some one has to build the field heads.We agree that the POTUS is a citizen. Good. but that crack you made about Marines was funnier than a soldier is allowed to be.You call a Marine with an I.Q. of 100 a platoon.... it takes a platoon of soldiers to get to an I.Q. of 100. & Give the Zoomies a break ,I love to train on an Air Force base, it,s like a country club.
One of my posts held a company of Zoomies. Whenever we would jog by on a PT run and catch them outside exercising, we would stop and give them a standing ovation. It was such a rare happening that you felt like alerting the media.
the Army has the lowest requirement on the ASVAB to enter the service. Go to your recruiter office and ask each branch separately, and they will give you the current month's requirements to enter the service.. Army being the lowest around 22 average score to enter.. to Airforce going from 32 to 74..
the average IQ for the Army is lower too.. this is including officers. isteve blogspot com/2006/ 11/average-iq-of-enlisted-men html Just replace the 3 spaces with a single period.
to add... The air forces' lowest requirement to enter the service is 32, which is flipping burgers..
My grandfather is a retired Army vet also, he even knows that the Army's military branch is the dumbest one of the 5 branches. He retired as a Sergeant Major.
just go to any recruiter office, and if they are honest, they'll tell you that the Air Force has the highest opportunity to get an advanced degree.
My Co-worker who just entered the service, was trying to join the army. When he went to take his ASVAB scores, he scored a 73. The Army Liaison told him that he might want to rethink his service, so he told him that the Air Force has higher opportunities for college while in service. He told his recruiter that he decided not to join, but in turn signed with the Air Force.
Yes, the AF does provide more opportunities for college out of all the Service entities. And yes, on a whole, the Army has lower acceptance scores. But considering the vast number of positions that the Army has to fill to make the defense of our country possible, they have to cast a wider net. When the numbers become proportional, then we can start comparing IQ scores. Until then, stop insulting the Army. We can exist without the Air Force. We fail without the Army.
actually.. without the Air Force, our military would get dominated by the sky. the air Force is the only military branch that has at least one base who has two sides of the nuclear triangle.. Why do you think the AF and Army separated? because the Air Force is a necessary military branch, no matter what the situation.
First, if the AF disappeared tomorrow, we would still have the Navy pilots in the air. Second, the Air Force came from the Army. We would just start it up again.
Name me one thing that the Army does that another branch doesnt do? Or how about one thing the army does that another branch does do, and does it better?
Covert Ops, thats the NAVY SEALS
Air Support and Battle, Thats Air Force
Ground Attack, Thats Marines.
I'm just stating facts. I have friends in all branches, and we all agree, Army is the worst one of them all.
Army Intelligence (my old field) far outshines the other branches. The Army also brings in the heavy weaponry on the ground. We also handle all the other "less glamorous" work, such as the Army Corp of Engineers, the Transport & Supply, etc. Yes, by sheer virtue of its size, the Army lowers its IQ level and has to take recruits that the other branches have the luxury of declining. But that doesn't make us worse; that makes us essential.
And they dare say it's not about racism. What other president has EVER been accused of being an illegal alien? (by the way, John McCain was born in Panama) What other president has had a member of congress blurt out "you lie!"? What other president has been protested (allegedly by his policies) on such a wide scale of nothing but white faces? What other president has been disrespected on such a wide scale EVER?
Boots920 has been banned from this channel for, well, too many things to list in 500 characters.
All of my bans are temporary, at least in theory -- so if anyone feels that he might yet be a worthwhile contributor to this channel, remind me in one week to unblock him.
DJW, we voted for change, but the people who were bullies when Bush won are now digging their heals in and threatening to revolt - since this is the stupid part of america, if we're lucky, they'll secede and take Texas and the ignoramuses on its school board with them.
The rumor-mongers for Jesus probably are the racists you believe them to be, but the real reason is that they're unthinking buffoons. Being an unthinking buffoon makes it more likely that one will be a racist. It also means one is more likely to think in sound-bites and slogans - and to repeat spoon-fed, leading "talking points" as if they were honest questions by someone interested in knowing the truth.
I think that analysis is spot-on, actually. Racism, in this day and age, is one symptom of unthinking buffoonery, as are the other things you mentioned. Perhaps we should declare open war on buffoonery -- or, as Keith Olbermann put it, make the world once again safe for those who passed the seventh grade.
Say what you will about Obama's policies and his actions since taking office, but one thing I don't understand is all this swill about where Obama was born.
Ignoring for a moment that it's all bunk, I'd like to point out how xenophobic this is. The fact that you can only hold the office of president if you are a natural born citizen is outrageous. It's an anachronistic abomination that should be removed from law.
I can't believe these clowns are still at it. A Birth Certificate was produced, that was not good enough for them. Then they tried to produce a fraudulent Birth Certificate that was factually incorrect. The people spreading these rumors are lying and they know it. Those who are following this movement are mindless lemmings, nothing but reactionary fools. Obama is the legitimate President of the United States. He was elected by a majority of the people (unlike a former president). Get over it.
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"I can't believe these clowns are still at it. A Birth Certificate was produced, that was not good enough for them."
A digital short form is a piece of shit ok now I'm just making an observation here but 73 million crazy americans fully armed with lots of ammo just lost their homes, jobs, and family. Tell those crazy dudes that a digital short form is cool and okee dokee.
"...this is why this fucking bull shit is pissing US TAXPAYERS OFF !!! '
Nope. It's pissing off the selfish, know-nothing nitwits who lost the last election. They were bullies after the last election, but are digging their heals in on any real reform after we won. They're liars and crybabies.
Well when did bright boy start living in the good o'l USA and start using his US passport.
"Know nothing nitwits" - hey I just don't know what year bright boy started using a US passport. If you don't know the answer then who's the nitwit asshole ? hmmmm
There is nothing you want to know, rumor-monger. What you want to do is make innuendo. We both know that you aren't interested in evidence and plan to deny and distract. yes. You're a nitwit.
You are correct, they just want to deny and distract. They want to halt all progress just because their guy did not win. They are truly pathetic with the lies they start, they know if a real honest debate happened on the real issues they would lose just like they did in the last election.
To refer to them as nitwits is being far to kind to these vermin. They are traitors to this country and are the ones who are truly un-American.
Well, let's see here....he was born in 1961 and he returned from Indonesia to live with his grandparents when he was 10. So how does 1971 grab you? Didn't do well with the grade school math, did you boots?
the parents do not need to be a legal resident in order for the child to be one. Parents are granted temporary citizenship through the child's birth in america.
Sorry, the COLB is a legal proof of birth showing he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. That is all that is needed for the eligibility requirement for President. It does not matter what hospital, which doctor or what nationality his parents held. Just admit you're a pissed off loser who can't stand that the guy he wanted isn't in the White House and leave it at that.
Obama has done more than any other democratically elected president has done to prove hiss citizenship of the US.
73 million people I am willing to bet is a bit of an exaggerated number, like the "two million people" that marched on DC Saturday. The Million Man March had a larger attendance than that. besides there are those of us who are rational who have guns too that will not let this country be taken over by a bunch of fucking loons.
Well if you read your US constitution the Presidential candidate has to be 35 yrs old, a permanent residence in good ol USA for 14 years and here's the kicker "natural born".
Obama 's father wasn't a US citizen so he's toast right there, now ok people fuck up what year did he start residing in the USA. Where the democunts vetting process paperwork.
Or did they even bother ??? This is why the USA is toast...
I am quite well with what the constitution has said however you have provided no tangible evidence. You guys make up one claim, it gets debunked then you lie about another. The fact is all you morons have your panties in a wad so you are going to do anything even if it is a complete fabrication to discredit him in hopes it will derail any progress. You are going in circles, Obama has been elected lawfully by the majority. You traitors just cant get over the fact that you lost.
"I am quite well with what the constitution has said however you have provided no tangible evidence."
Either has Obama a long form birth certificate is a legal document to show off your heritage and if your eligible to be President. It has nothing to do with being elected and everything to do with "the rule of law".
Now where's the proof ? None available then the US government is spinning this debacle into an early grave for you fucks.
He provided the necessary evidence needed to run for president. A Birth Certificate has been show, an announcement was made in a Honolulu newspaper when he was born and then to top it off you fuckers tried to come back with a fraudulent birth certificate that was factually incorrect. I am going in circles here but you refuse to see the evidence. You are making the accusations, where is the proof ? You know here in the United States it is up to the accuser to show the proof. Put up or shut up.
"He provided the necessary evidence needed to run for president"
So what with all the court time eh Amigo ? 1 million bucks and there's still more court time.
Hey a digital short form might be okee dokee for you fucks but tell that to the crazy mothers with all the guns and ammo. I'm just making an observation here when people loose everything they just lose it.
Still we go in circles with nothing new presented by the accuser. The evidence still stands against you and the burden is on the accuser.
As for the crazy mothers with guns, I am not too worried considered you are the minority. Besides that we have ours too and we will not let this country be taken over by a some loons.
The Republicans spent millions of taxpayers dollars to bring down Clinton. After all that and an impeachment, he was still one of the most popular presidents ever. Republicans go ballistic when they lose.
boots, my parents lost my original birth certificate when i was 7. the copy that the hospital had, got lost during the transition from going to a general hospital to a private practice. All i have is a digital copy.. Does that make me illegal? No, because we have a digital copy, city official's validation, and a city document of my birth.. You do not need a long form document to prove citizenship. as long as you have a form of birth, a city official's validate, and city paperwork proving birth.
I said it once already and I will say it once more and for the final time. You can not debate the real issues truthfully so you will make up lies, why? Because in a truthful debate you will lose, just like you lost in the last election. The fact is the majority wants change and no doucebags like you are going to be allowed to stop it with your lies. We tried it your way and your people failed, never again.
"I said it once already and I will say it once more and for the final time. You can not debate the real issues truthfully so you will make up lies, "
Where did I lie ? Has Obama proved his citizenship , nope its all fuckin spin. What does citizenship have to do with elections it just proves to the We the people that weather you are a republipuke or democunt bottom line the US constitution isn't a relevant doc. Its ok ...just stop the bull shit so Patriots can start getting down.
You lie by saying he is not a citizen of the United States when the facts are clearly against you. I said it before, you are the accuser it is up to you to provide the proof. None of you have provided any yet (except for the fraudulent Kenyan Birth Certificate). Once again, put up or shut the fuck up. That being said you are a worthless traitor that is a detriment to this country. Once again, where is the evidence that shows he is not a citizen of the United States? The burden is on you.
Obama has proved his citizenship already, but if it's a 'fuckin spin' as you claim, the responsibility to provide evidence on the matter rests upon you, not the accused.
Uhhh.... I think that is what they are tryin to do. Havent you noticed or not paid attention? All the court cases? All the money your prez has been spending to not let them provide the evidence. If you are so sure of yourself why do you not want the evidence to be heard in court? Is there maybe some feeling of doubt? In all serious though...you say the responsibility to prevent evidence is on them right? Well then why do you get so angry when all they are tryin to do is present that evidence?
Because the certificate of live birth, alreayd provided and authenticated, is already sufficent evidence to show birthers are full of shit. Case closed.
Sorry...case not closed. Judge Carter has a trial date for January. Please pay attention to the news or you will miss all the fun! Your phoney BC is not going to cut it in court. He will have to show the real one just like everybody else. Its Ok they will have a nice prison cell for him. Maybe even get a visit from Fidel or Hugo. In fact he will even get free healthcare too! Im sure his Kenyan brother who lives in a hut will let him come stay with him after he gets out too!
I'm getting that same warm tingly feeling I experience every time some evangelical nutjob tells me eternal damnation awaits me because I believe in evolution and not Biblical creation. Not surprising. Birthers and creationists are both cut from the same cloth, determined to hold fast to a preconceived conclusion long after it's been disproven.
How it is an illusion? Both birthers and creationists keep demanding evidence no matter how much conclusive proof has already been shoved in front of their faces.
He's refrained from throwing out the case before holding the hearing on the motion to throw out the case. If by that you mean "merit," then you're correct.
Captain Rhodes' letter has not been proven authentic to the satisfaction of those who will never, ever, ever, ever, ever accept it as authentic. If by that you mean "not vetted," then again, correct.
The former statement above was derived from the schedule of Keyes v Obama, and can be verified through the PACER database (search for case number 8:09-cv-00082-DOC-AN). The former was derived from, and can be verified by, the fact that birthers still exist. Having verified both statements, I do know that they are correct.
I imagine Birther is a play on Truther, in the same way that all scandal today are named _____gate due to Watergate.
Yeah, just like how IDiots thought victory was in the bag when John E. Jones III, a churchgoing judge appointed by Bush, presided over the Dover trial...and brought creationism in America to a screeching halt.
Today (9/28) Taitz filed to be removed as Rhodes' attorney because she might have to defend herself from charges brought against her by Rhodes. Taitz was dismissed as counsel and Rhodes will now have to pay the court costs. But Taitz has until Friday to prove that she shouldn't have to pay the court $10,000 for sanctions. I would say that Taitz taking such action pretty much proves the Rhodes letter to be true.
I don't have to be an authority to know that Orly continually "reshapes the truth" on her website. All one has to do is check what she writes against the facts and you will see. Anyone not questioning Orly and her assertions is either misinformed (disinfo? WTF?) or an idiot. You, btester, seem to be both.
what does having babies have to do with a sweaty dork?
drumheadcircle 6 months ago
Birthers are cowards.
GrassValleyGreg 8 months ago
Dont you think these people (Obama adminitration) is going to FIGHT LIKE HELL to make sure these records (weather there or not) dont reach the light of day? Obama spent 2.8 MILLION...MILLION PEOPLE, to fight off lawsuits asking for his credentials. He ordered ALL of his college transcripts and other vitals SEALED FROM THE PUBLIC..I know I know, Its hard to beleive that your GOD would lie, or that people would lie for him...JUST GIVE THE BIRTHERS A CHANCE TO GO ALL THE WAY WITH THIS..QUIT CRYING
MotorCityPlayer 9 months ago
@MotorCityPlayer Of the 74 birther lawsuits that have been filed to date, Obama defended himself in only three of them. All the others either did not name him as a defendant or were dismissed sua sponte. Three motions to dismiss and three court appearances by one's lawers is probably a hundred grand at a good law firm, nowhere near a million, still less 2.8. As for the record sealing, it's SOP for an incoming President, and almost word for word the same order Reagan signed.
DavidJohnWellman 9 months ago
Neil Abercrombie governor of Hawaii can't find Obama birth certificate. Soooo
Solvethatwagon 11 months ago
@Solvethatwagon you are a lying shit.
noliesundead 8 months ago
the latest move by several states demanding proof of citizenship to be put on the ballot for the next election and the Hawaii Governor's failed document search.....changes the game buddy. One term Obama will be the results.
...........See if Obama was born in the US his grandmother was wrong twice.
Ninefingers1010 1 year ago
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Well,actually Title 8 section 1401 (h) has the answer! Then again if there are any doubts find the answer through INS. The INS website has the rules for citizenship(natural-born/native-born) under INA:ACT 301 (h) !!! But yet if you still want to doubt then simply find out when his father entered Hawaii !!!!!
cris750 1 year ago
Orly taitz is GaGa don''t pay attention to her, I accuse her of being Lady GaGa's iligitimate mother and want to subpena her DNA because I Bet she'll deny it.
Tangywhite 1 year ago
bull honky this man is a lier he never shown his records damn it.
endtime471 1 year ago
youre such a douchebag
seancrump 2 years ago
2009-10-28
RHODES V. MACDONALD et al Appealed
borderraven 2 years ago
That was great legal pwnage.
ChrisTheTruckDriver 2 years ago
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JEDIALADDIN 2 years ago
What the hell does it matter if the communist son of a whore has a birth certificate or not? His father was a foreign national and he was a citizen of Indonesia, which means he is ineligible to be president....period!
IsraeliteMilitia 2 years ago
His father's citizenship does not matter and,even if he was a citizen of Indonesia, he never lost his US citizenship under US law. He is eligible and is President. You need to learn the law.
tgear77 2 years ago
The long form would shut everyone up. So let's see it, right? What's the biggie anyhow? Believe me, it would calm a lot of minds, not a few, but hundereds of thousands. I for one don't like or agree with the guy, but let's put the cards on the table, put this bit to rest or throw the government in jail! hehehe...
great post.
Escagedo3rd 2 years ago
The short form is sufficient for legal purposes. Withholding the long form assures the continued existence of birthers like yourself.
Don't you get it? Obama WANTS you guys around. He WANTS you to be the face of the Republican party. He WANTS moderates, almost none of whom are falling for this nonsense, to perceive the conservative party as a bunch of lunatics, and by being so loud about it, that's exactly the face you're putting on the right wing.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
"The long form would shut everyone up."
That's just not true. The lawyer in this case, Orly Taitz, is very clear that she will not drop her actions even if given the long-form birth certificate showing Obama was born in Hawaii. Birthers have a list of reasons why Barack Obama cannot really be President.
brygenon 2 years ago 3
Yes, thinking on it, it would not shut everyone up. It will close the chapter for most and the rest will never be happy for whatever reason. I think that it can only help Obama and hurt the Orly case anyhow. Beyond that, it would be good to see. I don't see it would hurt him, it's a reasonable request. If it's not then the government can back off on asking any info from the people born in this country. In the end, for me, it's information that is being asked. Why not? it would really help.
Escagedo3rd 2 years ago
"It will close the chapter for most and the rest will never be happy for whatever reason."
If they listened to facts and reason, they'd be gone by now.
Thinking you could dispel a conspiracy theory by ascending to the believers' demands is just naive. Whatever they get will raise more questions than it answers. What they don't get will be their new obsession.
brygenon 2 years ago
Yes I comprehend that some people have bad intenitons and want to use these things. If you reason on this for a moment, there are people, American people, that just want to know. Now, within that mix of haters that hate for the sake of hate, there are folks that just want to know. We are not talking about 3 people asking, we are talking about folks of all ages and views here. Even Dems, not all, or most, but even Dems. I think poll are bull, but they have some value. There are a buch out there.
Escagedo3rd 2 years ago
The people who just want to know, do know. Did you even watch the video? David is reading from a federal court ruling. Take the clues already.
You seen to think that the proper response to such harassment, lies, and bigotry is to keep giving the kooks what they demand, and that's naive at best. The questions were answered long ago. Further tantrums will not be entertained.
brygenon 2 years ago
The lady had no standing. I got that bit. She falls under her oath. She is stuck because she is in the military. I'm not one for putting everyone in as bigots because they want to see. At best one could argue a number of people may have this issue and others not. I really don't care what race he is. He's half black and white anyways.The race card is a cop out. Are blacks that want to see,bigots too?Or are there no blacks that want to see the long form?If not for whites, would he of won?
Escagedo3rd 2 years ago
"The lady had no standing. I got that bit."
Not from the Court decision in this case you didn't. Standing only came up in a note about a previous case.
People who are after the truth don't fabricate stuff like that. I don't know each individual eligibility deniers deal, but that doesn't mean you are fooling anyone.
brygenon 2 years ago
Obama's mother would not have been allowed to fly to Africa by the airlines. Africa required numerous vaccinations which doctors would not give to a pregnant woman of any trimester as it would harm the baby. The airlines would have not allowed her to fly after the 2nd trimester (6 months). Anyone anywhere near 50 years old knows that international travel from Hawaii to Mombasa in 1961 would have been extremely costly, time consuming and difficult. IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
dayglowgreendoor 2 years ago
Isn't it amazing that the birthers believe Obama was born halfway around the world in a 3rd world African nation in 1961. These idiots don't understand that the travel would not have been possible for a pregnant mother or newborn baby. Plus the travel would have been very difficult and expensive with numerous connecting flights. And third, there would be travel and passport records of this travel for the mother, the father and for baby Obama. Cheney would have found that stuff long ago.
dayglowgreendoor 2 years ago
Excellent point!
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
"These idiots don't understand that the travel would not have been possible for a pregnant mother or newborn baby"
Impossible, I don't know. But highly unlikely. Going to a place like Kenya would have required innoculations. Which means she would have had to get the approval of a doctor. When you point such an obvious thing out to a birther, they totally ignore it.
melora72 2 years ago
It would be fun to reconstruct what the Obama's would have to do to make this happen. Kinda like Mythbusters.
How much would plane fair be from Hawaii to Kenya in 1961? How far would they have to travel from the airport to Obama Sr.'s village? Would a Dr. ever recommend an expected mother to travel to 3rd world country?
The likely scenario is he was born in Hawaii.
busymartian 2 years ago
Plane fare from Hawaii to Kenya? Probably more like Hawaii to an Asian city and then maybe Cairo or possibly Kenya. It was 1961. It would have been outrageously expensive. Probably enough to pay for college for several years. And the racist teabaggers have to know that Obama Sr. would've bought himself a new Cadillac if he had that kind of money ;-).
dayglowgreendoor 2 years ago
Liberals.. You gotta love em! hahaha.. What a waste of space..
tucsonsteven 2 years ago
We'll see in January won't we! So kindly go fuck yourself.. lol Loser!
tucsonsteven 2 years ago
What happens in January? Besides the Super Bowl?
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
No. That case will be thrown out on Oct. 5h.
busymartian 2 years ago
October fifth is the hearing. The judge may rule that day, but more likely he'll issue something in writing a few days or weeks later.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
The point is that Obama has spent $1,400,000 to hide a $10 birth certificate that he could release anytime.
Why is Obama hiding all records from his past?
I know why. Because he was born in Kenya and attended college here as a foreign exchange student from Indonesia. There are the facts why Obama will not release the documents.
Obamabots that actually believe the messiah was born in Hawaii should demand that he release his long form birth certificate.
Orly is a true Patriotic American!
lickdacat2 2 years ago
You posted this exact same comment on part 3 of this series, word for word, except for the last sentence. I think you're desperately trying to convince yourself.
In any case, see my response to you there.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
Hawaii official have sworn that they thave the long form and that it shows he was born in Hawaii. If you can find a real Kenyan BC bring it on. Obama has no obligation to realease any documents to prove his citizenship. The burden of proof is on the accuser. If you don't believe the COLB is genuine or the sworn statements of the Hawaii officials that they have the original long form, that it YOUR problem.
melora72 2 years ago 5
"Obama has spent $1,400,000 to hide a $10 birth certificate"
That's a myth. His lawyers just file motions to dismiss. These are inexpensive and not time consuming.
The cases keep getting thrown out of court.
busymartian 2 years ago
I laughed my ass off when I heard the case had been thrown out. The silly so-called "lawyer " twat (Orly Taitz) didn't appear to understand that the burden of proof is upon the accuser - NOT the defendant - to PROVE that the defendant is guilty. That's the case in all modern western countries.
The judge's comments were absolutely hilarious. I hope Taitz is enjoying her new anus.
geffel 2 years ago 6
Nice job of reading a report on the judge's decision. Now how about addressing the issue. Admittedly, Orly Taitz is not presenting strong cases for her clients. They bear the burden of proof. They cannot prove anything because they lack certified documents. They lack certified documents because Obama and his agents have made damn sure that none are available. They are all hidden away or don't exist. The COLB is an image, not a tangible document. It proves nothing. Where's the birth certificaIe?
GeorgiaREbroker 2 years ago
check your ass, you insane douche-bag.
thisguysajerk 2 years ago 3
"They are all hidden away or don't exist"
proof you don't want PROOF, you just want to shout and be noticed.
thisguysajerk 2 years ago 4
If you saw and examined the COLB for yourself, and were satisfied as to its authenticity, would you accept that Obama is a natural born citizen?
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
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tgear77 2 years ago
Orly Taitz is a racist schill, lol, and lost in her strange fantasy world, there is guy on youtube that claims to have found elephants creatures on mars and the moon using machines to dig up minerals, in facts in one he shows them having coffee, lol
goldgrif 2 years ago
FFS rigth wing nutters move on already
Vogter2100 2 years ago
I am glad to be a subscriber. The right wing (or left wing) conspiracy theorists are insane and dangerous
BespokeGroupUK 2 years ago
it doesn't matter if Obama was born on the White House lawn, his faher was not an American citizen and had alligence to England.. A potential president has more hurdles to jump than birthplace.. my2cents..
Dewdaahman 2 years ago
So much for Chester A. Arthur.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
You trolls need to wipe the Obama dripping off your chin. Why are you trolls so angry all the time? Is it because of the plumeting poll numbers? Maybe cause hes the first crack smokin, communist, larry sinclair cigar smoker weve had in the white house? Or is it cause you just cant find a good lesbo video to watch lately? Aw shucks he just dropped another 2 poll points today. What a pity!
rwoodward61 2 years ago
wow.. you accuse us of trolling, though your comment is that of a troll
Ryoka242 2 years ago
In case you didn't notice, the owner of this video isn't angry...he's LAUGHING at all you birther clowns and your inability to comprehend and deal with reality.
megagrey 2 years ago
More specifically, "Birther" is a derogatory name given to people who exercise their first amendment right to ask if Article II, Section I of the US constitution is being followed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over until someone finally responds in the way they would politically prefer.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
I understand that you cannot believe that a black person is a president. Guess what? He will not be the last you will see
highbury10 2 years ago
I'm not too certain... but i'm pretty sure that it is against the UCMJ to publicly question the President and his orders. So that Captain most likely is going to get a dishonorable discharge.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
That part of the UCMJ is probably construed very narrowly, else half of the Armed Forces would be dishonorably discharged.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
i know for a fact, I member of the Armed Forces can not openly criticize the president, while in Military Uniform.
also, I know for a fact. A member of the Armed Forces can not suggest that a Superior Officer committed Perjury with out sufficient evidence to prove suggestion to be correct. otherwise, said claimer is under violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
I think the constitution applies to everyone in that list. Doesn't it.
btester1 2 years ago
actually no, the Oath of Enlistment and the Oath of Commissioned Officer are two separate oaths given to by two completely different members of military.. but thats besides the point.
What the Oath means, as accordance to the constitution, is that we will defend the liberties that the constitution provides. the UCMJ, when it comes to liberties, says that we are not allowed to show any affiliation to anything other than the United States and your Military service.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
If evidence was given that the president committed fraud or treason. Are you saying that the military should just follow the usurper president.
btester1 2 years ago
we(as in military members) are not allowed to voice our opinions about the president, no matter what the situation. Its called treason, and it is punishable under the UCMJ. Such Punishment(during times of war) is up to but not limited to death, Jail time, Forfeiture of pay, or/and Loss of Rank.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Capt Rhodes states that she is willing to go to Iraq, as long as she knows that the orders going down the chain of command are lawful orders.
I agree with you on the UCMJ but I think she's only checking with a judge to determine the orders to be constitutional.
One case was dismissed but the California judge stated that it was a valid case.
Funny or not Obama stated that he wasn't born in the US. watch?v=vws9fTtQgz4&feature=player_embedded
btester1 2 years ago
one, The orders are already shown to be constitutional. The Wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan are wars started by the former president. Wars can not end immediately upon an arrival of a new president... The same Deployment orders still apply. Nothing has changed drastically when it comes to military policy. The same people are in office other than a new president. Questioning whether the same policy is constitutional is far behind in the game.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Only the congress can declare war.
Did this happen in the last war.
Reference is Ron Paul.
I'd like to know your opinion on that one.
btester1 2 years ago
yes, only congress can give the power to declare war to the president. Though, the president can easily(as its shown to have already happen with Iraq) mislead congress on the reasoning for invasion.
Also, the president can invade another country for 24 hours, before having to retract all soldiers.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
so you honestly believe that obama is not a natural born citizen?
In that video, he was making fun of the questioning of his citizenship. One can honestly say that he was just joking about being not born of the US.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
I see no harm at all in just showing it in court. In fact, its better for Obama to do so to stop the rumors.
We know they lied about 911. Where is the investigation into that one.
btester1 2 years ago
ok, i'm going to stress this one last time...
HE SHOWED A FORM OF BIRTH CERTIFICATE...
when it comes to him showing it to the public.. Just because you give a dog a bone, doesnt stop it from pissing on the couch.
Whats that saying is even if he decides to show his right to be president, people will still try to either discredit the document, or they will try to find something else to get him kicked out for..
Ryoka242 2 years ago
who lied about what when it comes to the subject of September 11, 2001? Conspiracy Theorist have no factual information to provide such claims.
A group of scientists developed a simulation that shows exactly how the WTC collapse, ending all those 911 conspiracies.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Rumors are a fact of life with any public figure, and there's no reason that videotape of Obama being born with a lei around his neck, much less the long form birth certificate, would quell the rumors of those who are desperate to believe it.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
The 1st 4 words of that msg summarize the birther position, to wit "Rumors are a fact."
When they finished that Luke Wilson / Maya Randolph movie, they had to keep the cast occupied with something - and there were no chess boards or philosophy books handy. And thus the birther movement was formed. it's a fact. Look it up. Can't find it? Proof the man is in a conspiracy to keep the true facts hidden.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
This birther thing won't go away for a long time. So you better keep on your videos.
48 plaintiffs with Orly so far in CA ( I think !!)
The word Truther came out of the CIA Handbook on Psychological Guerrilla Warfare. So I assume Birther is the same.
btester1 2 years ago
the way orders work is not by choice directly by the president, but by the people appointed above you. i'm not too sure about the Army(though i'm sure its no different), but the AF randomly chooses people with the qualified rank and experience in the service to fill in spots for deployments.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
If a president is impeached, and a new president took office, we still can not openly criticize the former president about policies he held while he was in office...
As a military member, you fight for other people's right to freedom, though you, yourself are given limited freedom.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
as you can read, it says ARMY.. those people are too stupid
Ryoka242 2 years ago
I'm in the USAF and i can tell you. with my experience with the Army, they have a serious problem with thinking properly. My good friend is a US Army Vet, and she even believes the majority of them are outright retarded.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Capt. Connie Rhodes, a medical doctor and Army officer. She is the plaintiff.
Your a sad individual to think that all people in the Army are retarded.
What an insult to the military!
btester1 2 years ago
I'm in the Military. I've gone on 6 different co-operation missions with the army. One, the army requires the lowest scores out of all the branches of the military. two, The army is known for recruiting criminal felons...
The Marines attack first.
The Navy controls the seas.
The Air Force Controls the skys and space.
The army..... well we can just have them pick up all the dead bodies of our enemies.
^actual sayings that marines,navy and AF say..
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Your missing the point here, she is a medical doctor and Army officer. You know how much training a doctor must go through.
4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, and 3 years working in a hospital.
By your own admission, you are retarded.
I fail to see your point.
btester1 2 years ago
so, instead of commenting on my comment that directly relates to the Captain, you decided to comment on the one about how the majority of Army soldiers are stupid.... i'm going to let that one sink in for a bit....
also, anybody with a bachelors can become an officer, as long as you meet the mental and physical fit tests. Military Doctors only need 4 years of college, and 4 years of medical school to be a doctor. They do not need to wait 3 years as an intern.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
That's disputable...
Regardless.. The amount of education is 8 years plus. Much more than than the average person.
More than you, I'm sure.
btester1 2 years ago
if i wait a year and a half, i could have the exact degree she has, though that is not what the argument is about. You are selecting what the argument is about. My original thread was talking about who the majority of the Army are stupid. You were arguing on the behalf of the Captain. Though it clearly misses the original comment.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
I'd agree that Capt. Rhodes isn't retarded; she probably knows that this isn't going anywhere, that she's going off to Iraq. She's simply politically motivated to discredit the President, and has decided that the consequences of letting Orly file this bullshit on her behalf are worth it in that regard.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
I love those pictures of Obama hugging Bush.
btester1 2 years ago
The ones from Obama's Inauguration? Yeah, the guy has a lot more class than I would have had.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
As an Army Vet, I resent that. You know what we call a Marine with an I.Q. of 100?
A platoon
tgear77 2 years ago
i'm sorry that you resent that.. but statistics dont lie
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Please, post these statistics. You have never offered any to prove your point. You just insult the Army over and over again. Not to belittle the service you Zoomies provide, but the Army does the majority of the work in whatever theater of operations the United States is working in.
tgear77 2 years ago
Some one has to build the field heads.We agree that the POTUS is a citizen. Good. but that crack you made about Marines was funnier than a soldier is allowed to be.You call a Marine with an I.Q. of 100 a platoon.... it takes a platoon of soldiers to get to an I.Q. of 100. & Give the Zoomies a break ,I love to train on an Air Force base, it,s like a country club.
kevinthe1st 2 years ago
One of my posts held a company of Zoomies. Whenever we would jog by on a PT run and catch them outside exercising, we would stop and give them a standing ovation. It was such a rare happening that you felt like alerting the media.
tgear77 2 years ago
What?!? You don't believe in MANDETORY RECRIATION!!
kevinthe1st 2 years ago
the Army has the lowest requirement on the ASVAB to enter the service. Go to your recruiter office and ask each branch separately, and they will give you the current month's requirements to enter the service.. Army being the lowest around 22 average score to enter.. to Airforce going from 32 to 74..
the average IQ for the Army is lower too.. this is including officers. isteve blogspot com/2006/ 11/average-iq-of-enlisted-men html Just replace the 3 spaces with a single period.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
to add... The air forces' lowest requirement to enter the service is 32, which is flipping burgers..
My grandfather is a retired Army vet also, he even knows that the Army's military branch is the dumbest one of the 5 branches. He retired as a Sergeant Major.
just go to any recruiter office, and if they are honest, they'll tell you that the Air Force has the highest opportunity to get an advanced degree.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
My Co-worker who just entered the service, was trying to join the army. When he went to take his ASVAB scores, he scored a 73. The Army Liaison told him that he might want to rethink his service, so he told him that the Air Force has higher opportunities for college while in service. He told his recruiter that he decided not to join, but in turn signed with the Air Force.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Yes, the AF does provide more opportunities for college out of all the Service entities. And yes, on a whole, the Army has lower acceptance scores. But considering the vast number of positions that the Army has to fill to make the defense of our country possible, they have to cast a wider net. When the numbers become proportional, then we can start comparing IQ scores. Until then, stop insulting the Army. We can exist without the Air Force. We fail without the Army.
tgear77 2 years ago
actually.. without the Air Force, our military would get dominated by the sky. the air Force is the only military branch that has at least one base who has two sides of the nuclear triangle.. Why do you think the AF and Army separated? because the Air Force is a necessary military branch, no matter what the situation.
Marines fight first, and hardest
Navy Defends the Seas
Air Force Conquers the Skies
The Army, well their vast numbers occupy space..
Ryoka242 2 years ago
First, if the AF disappeared tomorrow, we would still have the Navy pilots in the air. Second, the Air Force came from the Army. We would just start it up again.
tgear77 2 years ago
Name me one thing that the Army does that another branch doesnt do? Or how about one thing the army does that another branch does do, and does it better?
Covert Ops, thats the NAVY SEALS
Air Support and Battle, Thats Air Force
Ground Attack, Thats Marines.
I'm just stating facts. I have friends in all branches, and we all agree, Army is the worst one of them all.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Army Intelligence (my old field) far outshines the other branches. The Army also brings in the heavy weaponry on the ground. We also handle all the other "less glamorous" work, such as the Army Corp of Engineers, the Transport & Supply, etc. Yes, by sheer virtue of its size, the Army lowers its IQ level and has to take recruits that the other branches have the luxury of declining. But that doesn't make us worse; that makes us essential.
tgear77 2 years ago
You guys aren't gonna believe this . . . Orly Taits actually had the nerve today to file a Motion for a Rehearing in the same court.
More later.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
I have a hunch and/or feeling that ORLY TAITZ is crazy. I demand that she be committed or prove her sanity.
ILuvBobbyDarin 2 years ago 2
well said!
Cheers Christine
christinepeace 2 years ago
first time i saw your vids but you use the same reasoning as i do, logic.
thanks for posting
SEEPRICE 2 years ago
Is orly taitz a US citizen? She needs to be waterboarded and sent to gitmo for the rest of her miserable life.
burntonion05 2 years ago
I think the birther inquiry is driven mainly by a conservative belief that black people should not be in positions of authority.
LLORT3 2 years ago
lol well said :)
queenboxi 2 years ago
And they dare say it's not about racism. What other president has EVER been accused of being an illegal alien? (by the way, John McCain was born in Panama) What other president has had a member of congress blurt out "you lie!"? What other president has been protested (allegedly by his policies) on such a wide scale of nothing but white faces? What other president has been disrespected on such a wide scale EVER?
Hereticbooks 2 years ago 3
Yaaayyyy! I especially loved the "after" note.
Hereticbooks 2 years ago
I can't believe you kept a straight face. I broke out in painfully powerful giggles, but you kept your cool. Well done.
BornWithoutReligion 2 years ago 2
Boots920 has been banned from this channel for, well, too many things to list in 500 characters.
All of my bans are temporary, at least in theory -- so if anyone feels that he might yet be a worthwhile contributor to this channel, remind me in one week to unblock him.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
Boots is not interested in learning. Boots is not interested in contributing. Boots is not interested in teaching or in finding anything out.
Boots has one unwavering purpose - to rumor-monger for Jesus and FOX.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
This woman sounds like my ex-wife. lol.
TheSpankymonkey 2 years ago
I'm with you David - "Kindly go fuck yourselves" birthers!
byerlyld 2 years ago
"Has Obama proved his citizenship" Yes to everyone except right wing nut jobs and they don't count.
milkman5547 2 years ago 2
DJW, we voted for change, but the people who were bullies when Bush won are now digging their heals in and threatening to revolt - since this is the stupid part of america, if we're lucky, they'll secede and take Texas and the ignoramuses on its school board with them.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
DJW,
The rumor-mongers for Jesus probably are the racists you believe them to be, but the real reason is that they're unthinking buffoons. Being an unthinking buffoon makes it more likely that one will be a racist. It also means one is more likely to think in sound-bites and slogans - and to repeat spoon-fed, leading "talking points" as if they were honest questions by someone interested in knowing the truth.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
I think that analysis is spot-on, actually. Racism, in this day and age, is one symptom of unthinking buffoonery, as are the other things you mentioned. Perhaps we should declare open war on buffoonery -- or, as Keith Olbermann put it, make the world once again safe for those who passed the seventh grade.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
Obama is the second worst President ever. Soon he will overtake Jimmy's role as the biggest idiot in US history.
mikej2581 2 years ago
He's the worst based on the fact that he's trying to do what he was elected to do by the majority?
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago 2
As long as W is still considered a US President, he will have the #1 spot locked up. Carter and Obama have nothing to worry about.
tgear77 2 years ago
Say what you will about Obama's policies and his actions since taking office, but one thing I don't understand is all this swill about where Obama was born.
Ignoring for a moment that it's all bunk, I'd like to point out how xenophobic this is. The fact that you can only hold the office of president if you are a natural born citizen is outrageous. It's an anachronistic abomination that should be removed from law.
Neilsama 2 years ago
Well "natural born" is still law isn't it ?
Just to be POTUS no other political title.
Now why did the founding fathers put this "anachronistic abomination" as an eligibility requirement to be prezie ?
So the country that Prezie was running wouldn't be some fuckin puppet right ?
You know either you have a US constitution or you don't.
Just tell the fully armed crazy people that there's no US constitution so they can get down to business.
Pretty simple...
boots920 2 years ago
I can't believe these clowns are still at it. A Birth Certificate was produced, that was not good enough for them. Then they tried to produce a fraudulent Birth Certificate that was factually incorrect. The people spreading these rumors are lying and they know it. Those who are following this movement are mindless lemmings, nothing but reactionary fools. Obama is the legitimate President of the United States. He was elected by a majority of the people (unlike a former president). Get over it.
brokensoul70 2 years ago
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"I can't believe these clowns are still at it. A Birth Certificate was produced, that was not good enough for them."
A digital short form is a piece of shit ok now I'm just making an observation here but 73 million crazy americans fully armed with lots of ammo just lost their homes, jobs, and family. Tell those crazy dudes that a digital short form is cool and okee dokee.
boots920 2 years ago
The certificate of live birth has been verified by Hawaii's director of health and Factcheck.
It is authentic.
It conclusively proves that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
If you can't cross that hurdle, don't bother. I'm not new to this so don't waste my time with red herrings.
IAmTheScum13 2 years ago
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What red herring hamster
Short form proves you were born would Island girl be lying if she said Obama was born ?
Long form proves you were born, what hospital, what doctor witnessed the birth and here's the kicker the citizenship of your parents ?
Now what hospital was Obama born and who witnessed the birth ?
What was Obama's mommy's residence at the time of birth.
Don't know, this is why this fucking bull shit is pissing US TAXPAYERS OFF !!!
boots920 2 years ago
"...this is why this fucking bull shit is pissing US TAXPAYERS OFF !!! '
Nope. It's pissing off the selfish, know-nothing nitwits who lost the last election. They were bullies after the last election, but are digging their heals in on any real reform after we won. They're liars and crybabies.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
Well when did bright boy start living in the good o'l USA and start using his US passport.
"Know nothing nitwits" - hey I just don't know what year bright boy started using a US passport. If you don't know the answer then who's the nitwit asshole ? hmmmm
boots920 2 years ago
There is nothing you want to know, rumor-monger. What you want to do is make innuendo. We both know that you aren't interested in evidence and plan to deny and distract. yes. You're a nitwit.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
You are correct, they just want to deny and distract. They want to halt all progress just because their guy did not win. They are truly pathetic with the lies they start, they know if a real honest debate happened on the real issues they would lose just like they did in the last election.
To refer to them as nitwits is being far to kind to these vermin. They are traitors to this country and are the ones who are truly un-American.
brokensoul70 2 years ago
Well, let's see here....he was born in 1961 and he returned from Indonesia to live with his grandparents when he was 10. So how does 1971 grab you? Didn't do well with the grade school math, did you boots?
tgear77 2 years ago 2
the parents do not need to be a legal resident in order for the child to be one. Parents are granted temporary citizenship through the child's birth in america.
Ryoka242 2 years ago
Sorry, the COLB is a legal proof of birth showing he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. That is all that is needed for the eligibility requirement for President. It does not matter what hospital, which doctor or what nationality his parents held. Just admit you're a pissed off loser who can't stand that the guy he wanted isn't in the White House and leave it at that.
tgear77 2 years ago 2
Obama has done more than any other democratically elected president has done to prove hiss citizenship of the US.
73 million people I am willing to bet is a bit of an exaggerated number, like the "two million people" that marched on DC Saturday. The Million Man March had a larger attendance than that. besides there are those of us who are rational who have guns too that will not let this country be taken over by a bunch of fucking loons.
brokensoul70 2 years ago
"Obama has done more than any other democratically elected president has done to prove hiss citizenship of the US."
What year did Obama start traveling on a US passport ?
Just askin ?
boots920 2 years ago
And that matters how??? I did not travel on my passport until I was 33. Try again doucenozzle.
brokensoul70 2 years ago
Well if you read your US constitution the Presidential candidate has to be 35 yrs old, a permanent residence in good ol USA for 14 years and here's the kicker "natural born".
Obama 's father wasn't a US citizen so he's toast right there, now ok people fuck up what year did he start residing in the USA. Where the democunts vetting process paperwork.
Or did they even bother ??? This is why the USA is toast...
boots920 2 years ago
I am quite well with what the constitution has said however you have provided no tangible evidence. You guys make up one claim, it gets debunked then you lie about another. The fact is all you morons have your panties in a wad so you are going to do anything even if it is a complete fabrication to discredit him in hopes it will derail any progress. You are going in circles, Obama has been elected lawfully by the majority. You traitors just cant get over the fact that you lost.
brokensoul70 2 years ago
"I am quite well with what the constitution has said however you have provided no tangible evidence."
Either has Obama a long form birth certificate is a legal document to show off your heritage and if your eligible to be President. It has nothing to do with being elected and everything to do with "the rule of law".
Now where's the proof ? None available then the US government is spinning this debacle into an early grave for you fucks.
George Bush "War Criminal"
boots920 2 years ago
He provided the necessary evidence needed to run for president. A Birth Certificate has been show, an announcement was made in a Honolulu newspaper when he was born and then to top it off you fuckers tried to come back with a fraudulent birth certificate that was factually incorrect. I am going in circles here but you refuse to see the evidence. You are making the accusations, where is the proof ? You know here in the United States it is up to the accuser to show the proof. Put up or shut up.
brokensoul70 2 years ago
"He provided the necessary evidence needed to run for president"
So what with all the court time eh Amigo ? 1 million bucks and there's still more court time.
Hey a digital short form might be okee dokee for you fucks but tell that to the crazy mothers with all the guns and ammo. I'm just making an observation here when people loose everything they just lose it.
boots920 2 years ago
Still we go in circles with nothing new presented by the accuser. The evidence still stands against you and the burden is on the accuser.
As for the crazy mothers with guns, I am not too worried considered you are the minority. Besides that we have ours too and we will not let this country be taken over by a some loons.
brokensoul70 2 years ago
Obama has not spent even one cent on this nonsense. Get your facts straight ignoranus.
byerlyld 2 years ago
"Obama has not spent even one cent on this nonsense "
I know he's probably billing the TAXPAYERS, its knee slapper stuff billy bob.
boots920 2 years ago
The Republicans spent millions of taxpayers dollars to bring down Clinton. After all that and an impeachment, he was still one of the most popular presidents ever. Republicans go ballistic when they lose.
melora72 2 years ago 3
actually he did not get impeached.. it was acquitted by the senate
Ryoka242 2 years ago
boots, my parents lost my original birth certificate when i was 7. the copy that the hospital had, got lost during the transition from going to a general hospital to a private practice. All i have is a digital copy.. Does that make me illegal? No, because we have a digital copy, city official's validation, and a city document of my birth.. You do not need a long form document to prove citizenship. as long as you have a form of birth, a city official's validate, and city paperwork proving birth.
Ryoka242 2 years ago 2
I said it once already and I will say it once more and for the final time. You can not debate the real issues truthfully so you will make up lies, why? Because in a truthful debate you will lose, just like you lost in the last election. The fact is the majority wants change and no doucebags like you are going to be allowed to stop it with your lies. We tried it your way and your people failed, never again.
brokensoul70 2 years ago
"I said it once already and I will say it once more and for the final time. You can not debate the real issues truthfully so you will make up lies, "
Where did I lie ? Has Obama proved his citizenship , nope its all fuckin spin. What does citizenship have to do with elections it just proves to the We the people that weather you are a republipuke or democunt bottom line the US constitution isn't a relevant doc. Its ok ...just stop the bull shit so Patriots can start getting down.
boots920 2 years ago
You lie by saying he is not a citizen of the United States when the facts are clearly against you. I said it before, you are the accuser it is up to you to provide the proof. None of you have provided any yet (except for the fraudulent Kenyan Birth Certificate). Once again, put up or shut the fuck up. That being said you are a worthless traitor that is a detriment to this country. Once again, where is the evidence that shows he is not a citizen of the United States? The burden is on you.
brokensoul70 2 years ago
"You lie by saying he is not a citizen of the United States"
Now where did I say that fucker, you should be in government you make it up and print it up as ya go.
What a dip shit...
boots920 2 years ago
Obama has proved his citizenship already, but if it's a 'fuckin spin' as you claim, the responsibility to provide evidence on the matter rests upon you, not the accused.
megagrey 2 years ago
Uhhh.... I think that is what they are tryin to do. Havent you noticed or not paid attention? All the court cases? All the money your prez has been spending to not let them provide the evidence. If you are so sure of yourself why do you not want the evidence to be heard in court? Is there maybe some feeling of doubt? In all serious though...you say the responsibility to prevent evidence is on them right? Well then why do you get so angry when all they are tryin to do is present that evidence?
rwoodward61 2 years ago
What evidence? You guys have conjecture and speculation, theories and what-ifs, but you don't have any evidence.
Unless you mean the fake Kenyan birth certificate that was debunked within minutes of being posted on the Internet.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
Because the certificate of live birth, alreayd provided and authenticated, is already sufficent evidence to show birthers are full of shit. Case closed.
megagrey 2 years ago
Sorry...case not closed. Judge Carter has a trial date for January. Please pay attention to the news or you will miss all the fun! Your phoney BC is not going to cut it in court. He will have to show the real one just like everybody else. Its Ok they will have a nice prison cell for him. Maybe even get a visit from Fidel or Hugo. In fact he will even get free healthcare too! Im sure his Kenyan brother who lives in a hut will let him come stay with him after he gets out too!
rwoodward61 2 years ago
I'm getting that same warm tingly feeling I experience every time some evangelical nutjob tells me eternal damnation awaits me because I believe in evolution and not Biblical creation. Not surprising. Birthers and creationists are both cut from the same cloth, determined to hold fast to a preconceived conclusion long after it's been disproven.
megagrey 2 years ago
Nice conclusion I mean illusion.
btester1 2 years ago
How it is an illusion? Both birthers and creationists keep demanding evidence no matter how much conclusive proof has already been shoved in front of their faces.
megagrey 2 years ago
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I think there is a judge in CA who thinks there is merit to this case.
Capt Rhodes letter is not vetted yet.
btester1 2 years ago
He's refrained from throwing out the case before holding the hearing on the motion to throw out the case. If by that you mean "merit," then you're correct.
Captain Rhodes' letter has not been proven authentic to the satisfaction of those who will never, ever, ever, ever, ever accept it as authentic. If by that you mean "not vetted," then again, correct.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
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And you make judgments based on television news without it being verified.
You don't know if your info is correct or not.
side note..
Truther came out of the CIA Handbook on Psychological Guerrilla Warfare. I think I know where Birther came from.
btester1 2 years ago
The former statement above was derived from the schedule of Keyes v Obama, and can be verified through the PACER database (search for case number 8:09-cv-00082-DOC-AN). The former was derived from, and can be verified by, the fact that birthers still exist. Having verified both statements, I do know that they are correct.
I imagine Birther is a play on Truther, in the same way that all scandal today are named _____gate due to Watergate.
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
Sorry -- the second "former" in that last comment should be "latter."
DavidJohnWellman 2 years ago
Yeah, just like how IDiots thought victory was in the bag when John E. Jones III, a churchgoing judge appointed by Bush, presided over the Dover trial...and brought creationism in America to a screeching halt.
megagrey 2 years ago
Today (9/28) Taitz filed to be removed as Rhodes' attorney because she might have to defend herself from charges brought against her by Rhodes. Taitz was dismissed as counsel and Rhodes will now have to pay the court costs. But Taitz has until Friday to prove that she shouldn't have to pay the court $10,000 for sanctions. I would say that Taitz taking such action pretty much proves the Rhodes letter to be true.
tgear77 2 years ago
Did you believe the television "programming" or what she said about it.
Read her blog.
Nobody believes the fake bloggers anymore.
btester1 2 years ago
No, I read the various news reports. Orly lies so often on her board, that one can't take it seriously.
tgear77 2 years ago
And what makes you an authority on anything here.
Nobody believes your opinions.
Produce your long form BC. Anybody questioning this simple point is either disinfo or an idiot.
btester1 2 years ago
I don't have to be an authority to know that Orly continually "reshapes the truth" on her website. All one has to do is check what she writes against the facts and you will see. Anyone not questioning Orly and her assertions is either misinformed (disinfo? WTF?) or an idiot. You, btester, seem to be both.
tgear77 2 years ago