all very well in training but when your hearts pounding and your froze with shock, how do you know the gun man isn't as scared with a twitchy finger, my advice hand over your goods then counter strike if it seems logical, but what do i know iv not had a gun point blank at me, but ive been shot at
Try going with airsoft or something. The trigger pull of a paintball gun is very light compared to that of a real firearm. And make sure you're OUT OF THE LINE OF FIRE.
Try going with airsoft or something. The trigger pull of a paintball gun is very light compared to that of a real firearm. And make sure you're OUT OF THE LINE OF FIRE.
anyone else notice how many times the martial artist appeared to place himself in the path of the gun's barrel during the later techniques? i mean it might be the camera angle but the only really effective one appeared to be the first one and that one seems to originate with the assailant pointing at your 7-o'clock rather than dead at you.
More Hollywood trash. Do it with a loaded airsoft & just safety glasses, mouth guard. That's how we test a technique & we believe using a face shield & cup is cheating. Of course, should start off slow with a rubber training gun & work up to fast. After 100% success for over 1000 fast reps, then add appropriate safety gear & go live airsoft. Don't do the complete disarm to protect your partner's finger. The main point is are u really simultaneously off the line of fire & controlling the weapon.
i have one good question. what strategy should i use if the attacker will stay at distance? how can i reduce the distance in order to use this technique and not beeing shot?
if some one was trying to turn a gun on me i would pull the triger as a reflex, hes right infrount of the gun when the gun holder has control of the finger in a real situation he would be dead
When you are going to attack someone with a gun i dont expect them to do this, So i dont think that you have time to fight back , He disarms you in One sec ...
Um... *no disrespect, just a thought*... Move the gun WHILE you move yourself. Do not simply expect to move your entire body in the time it takes him to pull the trigger. Not only that, but if you are against a non-compliant attacker, they will fight back. If you look at your position the moment you take the gun, they can attack back before you have time to find the trigger of the gun... This will get you killed.
@BritPatriotUK i did not say to you that not Irish nor English, i said. lost what the war, i think you mean we won, Tiocfaidh ar la. when i mean WE, i mean ME.
@upthedub1 i did not say to you that not Irish nor English, i said. lost what the war, i think you mean we won, Tiocfaidh ar la. when i mean WE, i mean ME.
@tr3vis123 that's right, but if he was going to shoot him he would have done it, so he's in the fumble zone to start. It's straight you poor dumb fuck hahahahahahahaha.
@tr3vis123 No, because we (the un-armed) act, and the attacker reacts. Reacting to a rapid unexpected event and planning to perform a reaction takes about 2 seconds. Observe--> think -->perform. Those steps will always occur and in total take about 2 more seconds. So if the un-armed is already done with the disarming (about 3-4 seconds in lenght), the attacker will not even be done with observing our movements and planning his reaction (firing the weapon). So yeah, burn!
@tr3vis123 First thing u do in this technique is leaving the line of fire. In the Video you can't see it quite well, but in a blink he moves out and THEN does the technique.
Very nice. you forgot to point it is very important the firearm is not pointed at you in anyway when you are taking control and seizing. (although you did show it in the video)
there seems to be a couple of techniques there that are too risky of being shot in the face and neck n shoulders,,,, too risky for me.... although the first technique was very good!!
Moving your hand in front of a pistol while breaking a finger--which is no doubt attempting to depress the trigger--within the trigger guard. Sounds like a great idea! Yet another amateur with an ego. Hope it doesn't wind him in the hospital, or an early grave!
true disarming the gun is so much easier if they are up close AND if you can find or create an opportunity to take it without getting shot in the process. Knives are so much harder especially when your training partner is actually trying to act like he's trying to kill you and not throwing those unrealistic lunges with the knife, which people use in their demos all over the place.
This technique is very efficient but need lots of practice. When the criminal is much larger size than you're, you've to act fast to make sure he's not going to get his arm back because the trick may not work at 2nd time.
I won't comment on if this is a good or bad technique but one thing I think all these videos should point out is "the gun may go off!" Be prepared for that! Do stop your move or fighting because you hear the "bang." You might be fine, you got out of the line of fire but if you stop or hesitate, he won't miss you a second time.
How anyone can close distance and employ these techniques quicker than someone can contract their index finger i'll never know. Add in massive adrenal dump and involuntary muscle spasms plus panic and non compliance and it will go to bollocks pretty quickly but maybe you had a go...
@OUTCOLDFIGHTCLUB im pretty sure you wouldnt want to even try and disarm a gun from someone who is clearly trained and more experienced than you with a gun... and most of the time armed criminals have slowed reaction due to drug habbits and bad diet. but unless you are feeling really confident or suicidal it's always best to do what they tell you when you have a weapon pointed at you. unless of course it is your job to get involved. if that is the case i would take these videos as gospel.
At first glance, I don't like this technique as well as others. He is staying in front of the weapon at first and then he steps to the side of the extended arm, rather than behind it. The attacker can flinch fire or react by stepping back and re-directing the weapon. Instead he could step to the left, out of the line of fire, behind the attackers extended arm as he directs the gun to the right and then disarm him. Another problem is bulky clothes and trying to get in and out of his arms.
It seems like it takes too long to disarm it. In that time span where he goes for the disarm the shooter will fire his pistol. I'll try this and see if its effective or not.
that looks an ok gun defece but can be complicated, i do aikido and in that situation i would 99.9% of the time antisipate doing kotegaeshi look it up on here it's such a simple move but real effective!! :)
You remain in the line of fire too long after your intention is visible. Slapping the hand while pivoting, and grabbing the slide/barrel palm-down is faster, and this grip gives you enough leverage to torque the gun out. Don't weave your arms through his like you're doing.
All gun techniques are dangerous! It's a shit or bust move from a two handed stance, you don't like it fine try another one. But it will be no less dangerous. I'm sorry I had to delete your comment I did not know you were quite so emotional.
every defense against a gun are dangerous. more dangerous is to show unrealistic techniques . probably you delete my comment because you are more emotional then me. i'm sorry if you don't accept constructive criticism. for example,in the knife defense video you show a good movement. have a nice day and no worry... i stop every comments on your videos. thank you.
It's "I'll stop the comments on your video's." I delete comments I don't think are relevant. So cards on the table, what experience do you have of firearms instruction. What qualifies your critique?
my credits are visionable on my website. when someone criticize my techniques i`m happy... i can learn. if you don`t like that other have different opinion there`s an option to block comments...
my opinion is that are diffent and better solutions.
i work with police officers and i`ve experience with military personell... they enjoy my teaching. it`s life. have a nice day. i`m sorry for my bad english.
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i watch again the video. my opinion is the same. for me it's very dangerous technique. if you have a not cooperating partner probably you "die" every time. this is my way of training: have a bastard partner....
when i say bastard partner is the perfect partner. you must say to him
"try to kill me"
not "kick me in this way..." or "give me a left punch..."
when you don't know what,how and when and you're under stress it's something close to reality.
anyway i like your way.... but this disarm it's very difficult to realize. i try.... i die. probably you are faster then me :-)... but if a technique is for few people i don't use,i don't teach...
@kravmagakapap This is very true. I currently am in an advanced only "Street Defense" class (In Santos, SP) Brazil, and basically the first hour of class is "learning and practicing" new moves slow the way they are "set up" to be.
The next hour is "Attack me as hard as you can and rob, then murder me in any way you want" That is what makes me confortable without a gun on the street.
anyway my opinion is not a criticism of the system or instructors or their apprenticeship, but on the single technique, as it is shown that it is risky. I know from experience that "see" is not the same thing to try. So, i'll try this disarm with my collaborators,under stress conditions and with no cooperating partner. At first look,is very difficult move body and both hands without your opponent shots.
It's a flanking move from a two handed stance, a Weaver stance adjusted. It's most important feature is that it's off the firing line. But it's fine if you don't like it different techniques for different people.
if we are talking about the video of 23 November "close combat" (1:03 minutes) I'm showing a common wrong disarm and then the correct ....thanks for advice. i use video to see how many mistakes we made during training,not for publicize our school.
@kravmagakapap the reason instructors and students NEVER put their fingers into the trigger of a practice gun is because most technique break the fingers with the diasarm
Look if he was going to shot you, you would be dead, and if he was remotely intelligent he would stay out of striking range. The technique is for a twat who gets too close. The gun just used as a threat for whatever reason.
I agree that it's risky to still be so close to the line of fire. The only other problem I have is the tell-tale beginning motions he uses ( :53, i can only see him getting shot in the neck by a nervous gunman). Once he lands the strike, the gun is definately his. I just hope he's fast enough and the gunman doesn't get to pull the trigger!
Actually, watching it a second time, the technique at 1:08 seems to be very effective. His movements are fairly subtle, and he gets out of the line of fire quickly. Good job!
wow... you would get shot here... most of the time he grabs the gun without moving off the firing line... not very good practice from my point of view...
Having a small handgun without knowing how or when to use it is no defence. Only when you have used a weapon can you understand the responcibility that comes with it. Be nice to people stay aware. Remember a gun is a tool but is no match for a jack, spanner, or grips in a car they have much more use.
Surprise is a martial artists only hope against a gun.Guns and firearms technologies are the ultimate martial art of killing. Hand to hand combat is obsolete compared to these. Note that the introduction of firearms in japan ended the centuries old Samurai culture. The only thing we as martial artists can do when it comes to guns is learn to use them safely, as for learning gun disarms never try them in real life unless you're close enough and are ready to kill or die if you make a mistake.
why the anger? I didn't say your crappy move was bad. I just said the the uke exaggerated the motion. you are to damn sensitive. I understand the move, I understand gun defense quit well. there is nothing wrong with your move or your video, only thing wrong is your shitty ass attitude.
I have to agree with FrontLineKravMaga. Massive body motion which would easily be picked up in the defenders peripheral vision. Too risky against a gun.
You don't have one two handed Krav counter, that's all this is, you move to the side as you would with Krav from the back, flank and move one arm bettween two to take the gun. It's a defence at very close range from a two handed stance.
It's Goshinkwai which is taught to the SAS so I'm guessing it works. Having said that, if soemone points a gun at me and asks for my wallet, I'd rather lose the £30 and cancel my cards than risk my life.
Pride can also get you killed, it's tough to get mad at a bullet, your own ego can be the most dangerous thing. If you can walk away from the situation then you won.
Only an idiot would believe this. Then again it may work against American soldiers since most of them have ADD. What if the person with a gun is 5 feet away?
If your five feet away it won't work you get killed you moron. Look if your going to write a post, here is the thing...have a point! Only an idiot could come up with such a post.
Discharge would be painful to the hand and stunning also, the noise is probably the most under-rated aspect of dealing with live weapons. It takes getting used to. However discharge into a controlling hand is much better than near the face. A wheel gun can be locked if fired double action, an automatic will blow back and yes your hand could release as a consequence. No guarantees.
The people in the video trained various special forces and personnel from all over the world, as part of a company composed of EX-SAS personnel. The basic government department from which original training took place MOD. Training with live firearms is not recommended or permitted under current UK law. Handguns are only permitted for use by military or police. Firearms courses are permitted outside the UK see the TBD Website. To subscribe however you must undergo a rigorous vetting procedure.
complicated, very complicated. wats wrong with, having moved 'out of the way' simply pokink him in the eye? because once you've got the gun, guess wat, you're the attacker! if they decide you're not gonna shoot them and stand up to you, are you gonna run away holding it? drop it for them then run? actually threaten them back?! the law will NOT like you shooting a now unarmed man!
defense technique dvd's by cliff stewart ...this guy is the real deal (no disrespect intended) and he is the elite when it come to body guard and law enforcement security training, and what better of a prepared trained elite than a body guard which is always surrounded by people that he never know might attack him..good videos, not tryining to be little you just giving out some good advice, so how about i take a look at you dvd n you try my method fair dont you think ??
if i know something is that footwork alone is not gonna save you from recieving a punch to the face let alone the a speeding bullet, its not wise to assume that your techniques will work only on inexperienced gumen, you should always assume any assailant is a trained killer and takes the exact same precautions as you do to makes sure he kills you and one of those i know would be making sure he doesnt miss, now if you want to look at a dvd on good firearm disarming techiques take a look at gun
I did not say footwork alone was going to save you, agggg :0) Look you don't like the technique fine, that's ok it's only somthing to look at and think about.
the weapon so you know where it is at all times and you have better control rather than just performing the technique, because if he just happens to be quicker and he sees your attempt he can easily turn with you and although you might get the disarm he can still get a shot in ...but if youve already made contact with the weapon theres not much he ccan do , plus you have strikes and other locks as well to help through the process if your first attempt fails ...
No sorry, not close to the body it don't. You need to see the footwork on the DVD you can't see it on the mid shot. In close with two hands on the gun you have less manoverability with the gun (from the side). Try it out and see.
you have it the other way around ...when the arms are locked it makes a redirection that much easier to control the direction the barrel is pointet, not to mention it makes it more difficult when gunmen to re-aim his gun at you when hes using both hands, it makes his aim more precise but slower in motion, and you can still do the through the middle and under technique by slapping ir even pushing the gun out the way because now you have more control cause you have physical contact with the
direction your moving and not make the slap senseless maybe use it to direct the gun towards your other hand clasping both hands with the gun or just merely redirect the barrel to give you enough time to move out of the line of fire because of coarse it does take an expert gunman to follow you with the barrel of his gun. You need divert his attention for a mere second to perform a succesful disarm rather than striking after youve executed your technique,no disrespect just constructive critisism
To re- aim a two handed stance takes longer the body must move because the arms are locked. That's the backstory to the technique so you can come in from the side and take it. The one arm goes between the two so withdrawing the gun to re-aim is not so easy. With the left hand going over the action, even just the thumb you have the leverage.
theres nothing wrong with the technique its pretty effective , same goes with moving to the outside there are other methods to disarm from the outside where the flaw lies is in the distance of your hands and the execution of getting from point A to B ..you cannot succesfully control his gun to perform you disarm at the range ur hands are without a distraction (physical or verbal) verbal. Your hands move much faster that you body so a good idea would be maybe to slap the gun away from the
He had the gun aimed right at him when he did the move. Normally a move like that will discharge the gun and hit him in the chest. Unless the safety is on. Look at the end of the video.
all very well in training but when your hearts pounding and your froze with shock, how do you know the gun man isn't as scared with a twitchy finger, my advice hand over your goods then counter strike if it seems logical, but what do i know iv not had a gun point blank at me, but ive been shot at
elbob099 3 weeks ago
yay another how to get yourself shot video!
tjmbcool 4 months ago
last resort stuff, the best defense against a gun is to shoot him first.
MrWayne1701 5 months ago
Tried this with a paint ball gun...doesn't work as depicted. Got my arm shot off more than once and hit in the chest a couple times.....
1969jmac 5 months ago
@1969jmac You're not doing it right.
Try going with airsoft or something. The trigger pull of a paintball gun is very light compared to that of a real firearm. And make sure you're OUT OF THE LINE OF FIRE.
runnerfore 5 months ago
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@1969jmac You're not doing it right.
Try going with airsoft or something. The trigger pull of a paintball gun is very light compared to that of a real firearm. And make sure you're OUT OF THE LINE OF FIRE.
runnerfore 5 months ago
i liked this one. that dude moved like a swan.
jon2xu 5 months ago
very horrible technique. How do u expect him not to shoot u, when u didnt even move outta the line of fire?
rotsebanotman 6 months ago
1:08 and that's a bullet in the head <.<
RazerTNT 7 months ago
poor
behindmytrubody 7 months ago
If I was 20 and jacked, I could beat up a 60 year old too.
BoardWhareHowse 8 months ago
Most dudes I know that would use a gun dont aim this way...Look at how "thugs" Aim
they dont do the whole "POLICE STYLE " aming. This is unrealistic.
zellymusic 8 months ago
shit defence , no chances to do it on the street. Better check out gun disarming in KAPAP or in Krav - Maga. This is a pure phantasia.
BigBoss1982 8 months ago
if that gun is loaded he will die many times...dun believed?lets bet 100dollars for one time dude...
MrLekoleko 8 months ago
Wouldn't you move the gun away from you before anything else? Not put your arm between his arms and then move the muzzle away.
Motorhed95 9 months ago
yeah. thats not gonna work. you can tell when he's goin in to disarm him. and then by that time i coulda already fired 2 or 3 rounds..
deanfromhell87 9 months ago
LOL....WUCF LOL you guys are great
1969jmac 9 months ago
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blkcelicalr 9 months ago
なるほど、日本では使う機会がなさそうです。
でも、かっこいい。
bloodofprincess 10 months ago
@Mrjustinqqq well it was about unarmed defense.... so I told him give the money or die.
mrkiky 11 months ago
@Mrjustinqqq yes well the guy i was replying to specifically asked "what if he's at 5 meters?" so that was the case of the discussion...
mrkiky 11 months ago
@Mrjustinqqq 80% chance at 5 meters? I doubt it.
mrkiky 11 months ago
anyone else notice how many times the martial artist appeared to place himself in the path of the gun's barrel during the later techniques? i mean it might be the camera angle but the only really effective one appeared to be the first one and that one seems to originate with the assailant pointing at your 7-o'clock rather than dead at you.
nopainogain 11 months ago
More Hollywood trash. Do it with a loaded airsoft & just safety glasses, mouth guard. That's how we test a technique & we believe using a face shield & cup is cheating. Of course, should start off slow with a rubber training gun & work up to fast. After 100% success for over 1000 fast reps, then add appropriate safety gear & go live airsoft. Don't do the complete disarm to protect your partner's finger. The main point is are u really simultaneously off the line of fire & controlling the weapon.
bae313 11 months ago
WHOOOPS, i have the reaction speed of a corn flake.
boom911boom 11 months ago
great way to get yoru ass handed to you in reallife with awkward and non realistic moves like that
1969jmac 1 year ago
i have one good question. what strategy should i use if the attacker will stay at distance? how can i reduce the distance in order to use this technique and not beeing shot?
alucardseperdalv 1 year ago
sorry but the reaction time is 0.25 seconds wouldn't the guy already have shot u?
svenzondervan 1 year ago
look at the guy with the gun's face!
It's like Noooo you stole my pistol!
fillidor 1 year ago
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This is pretty cool. because when I gave battle flesh to flesh with my classmates and I used it on CQC Metal Gear Solid 3
SuperCurtis82 1 year ago
This is pretty cool. potože when I gave battle flesh to flesh with my classmates and I used it on CQC Metal Gear Solid 3
SuperCurtis82 1 year ago
what if the one that have the weapon is holding it with one hand?
meandmybubble 1 year ago
if some one was trying to turn a gun on me i would pull the triger as a reflex, hes right infrount of the gun when the gun holder has control of the finger in a real situation he would be dead
zooley 1 year ago
the movements too big, likely to get shot
numbers111222 1 year ago
in case the gun thug is gonna atack you on the road and he is less than 1.50 metres away from you...things are quite simple
but what can we do when he is 5 metres away?
kogiama 1 year ago
@kogiama give him the money or die
mrkiky 1 year ago
When you are going to attack someone with a gun i dont expect them to do this, So i dont think that you have time to fight back , He disarms you in One sec ...
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hahaha very good
MrRizwansadiq 1 year ago
Um... *no disrespect, just a thought*... Move the gun WHILE you move yourself. Do not simply expect to move your entire body in the time it takes him to pull the trigger. Not only that, but if you are against a non-compliant attacker, they will fight back. If you look at your position the moment you take the gun, they can attack back before you have time to find the trigger of the gun... This will get you killed.
phones7eat7ppl 1 year ago
if someone really had a gun pointed at you u better do what they want or run the heck away!
VulgorSchnecke 1 year ago
if you did that with an IRA gun man, i don't think you would be around to tell the story............... Tiocfaidh ar laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
upthedub1 1 year ago
@upthedub1 Those guys lost didn't they?.............Rule Britannia!!!
BritPatriotUK 1 year ago
@BritPatriotUK what are ye on about.
upthedub1 1 year ago
@upthedub1 The IRA lost, why do you need to keep brining them up from the past?
BritPatriotUK 1 year ago
@BritPatriotUK lost what the war, i think you mean we won, Tiocfaidh ar la.
upthedub1 1 year ago
@upthedub1 Then why does my passport say "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?
BritPatriotUK 1 year ago
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@BritPatriotUK i did not say to you that not Irish nor English, i said. lost what the war, i think you mean we won, Tiocfaidh ar la. when i mean WE, i mean ME.
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@upthedub1 i did not say to you that not Irish nor English, i said. lost what the war, i think you mean we won, Tiocfaidh ar la. when i mean WE, i mean ME.
upthedub1 1 year ago
OK all of you video game couch potatoes assassins, don't try this shit at home. Practice ,Practice, Practice. Good technique. Thank you.
randy464 1 year ago
hahahhahahahahaha the gun man had 1 straiught second thats 3 times more time then needeed to blow ur motha fucking brain out hahahahahha
tr3vis123 1 year ago 2
@tr3vis123 that's right, but if he was going to shoot him he would have done it, so he's in the fumble zone to start. It's straight you poor dumb fuck hahahahahahahaha.
Wizzydoofer 1 year ago 12
@Wizzydoofer aint no expert but the krav maga gun defences seem much simpler, though respect to you for working on a system.
dikkydoo1 1 year ago
@tr3vis123 No, because we (the un-armed) act, and the attacker reacts. Reacting to a rapid unexpected event and planning to perform a reaction takes about 2 seconds. Observe--> think -->perform. Those steps will always occur and in total take about 2 more seconds. So if the un-armed is already done with the disarming (about 3-4 seconds in lenght), the attacker will not even be done with observing our movements and planning his reaction (firing the weapon). So yeah, burn!
iTziiMuNeZz 8 months ago
@tr3vis123 First thing u do in this technique is leaving the line of fire. In the Video you can't see it quite well, but in a blink he moves out and THEN does the technique.
TheRaindancekid 6 months ago
one word.....sim-munition....
senseimodi 1 year ago
MY GUN!!!!
rats94 1 year ago
Very nice. you forgot to point it is very important the firearm is not pointed at you in anyway when you are taking control and seizing. (although you did show it in the video)
Nice work!
xXjOmAmMaXx 1 year ago
there seems to be a couple of techniques there that are too risky of being shot in the face and neck n shoulders,,,, too risky for me.... although the first technique was very good!!
Tool2142 1 year ago
haha, the gunman can shoot three time in the head on five in the body
thedjo0007 1 year ago
i hope the gun had safety on... lol or it was fake.... or if they had an accident o.o
o0rolyat0o 1 year ago
Moving your hand in front of a pistol while breaking a finger--which is no doubt attempting to depress the trigger--within the trigger guard. Sounds like a great idea! Yet another amateur with an ego. Hope it doesn't wind him in the hospital, or an early grave!
variabl3 1 year ago
what happen to getting your body out of the guns way?
sgtschmitty8013 1 year ago
true disarming the gun is so much easier if they are up close AND if you can find or create an opportunity to take it without getting shot in the process. Knives are so much harder especially when your training partner is actually trying to act like he's trying to kill you and not throwing those unrealistic lunges with the knife, which people use in their demos all over the place.
bdjordan15 1 year ago
gotta be faster than than...
MrDirthax 1 year ago
couldnt the guy just pull the trigger and thats it no technique needed cause you are dead??
Alan1600 1 year ago
kravmaga technics are better, ah!!! nice video
7711579276 1 year ago
This technique is very efficient but need lots of practice. When the criminal is much larger size than you're, you've to act fast to make sure he's not going to get his arm back because the trick may not work at 2nd time.
utubmania2009 1 year ago
I won't comment on if this is a good or bad technique but one thing I think all these videos should point out is "the gun may go off!" Be prepared for that! Do stop your move or fighting because you hear the "bang." You might be fine, you got out of the line of fire but if you stop or hesitate, he won't miss you a second time.
CaptainFur 1 year ago
How anyone can close distance and employ these techniques quicker than someone can contract their index finger i'll never know. Add in massive adrenal dump and involuntary muscle spasms plus panic and non compliance and it will go to bollocks pretty quickly but maybe you had a go...
OUTCOLDFIGHTCLUB 2 years ago
@OUTCOLDFIGHTCLUB Might as well give it a gamble if your life is in danger.
clay180 1 year ago
@OUTCOLDFIGHTCLUB im pretty sure you wouldnt want to even try and disarm a gun from someone who is clearly trained and more experienced than you with a gun... and most of the time armed criminals have slowed reaction due to drug habbits and bad diet. but unless you are feeling really confident or suicidal it's always best to do what they tell you when you have a weapon pointed at you. unless of course it is your job to get involved. if that is the case i would take these videos as gospel.
wowaenur 1 year ago
At first glance, I don't like this technique as well as others. He is staying in front of the weapon at first and then he steps to the side of the extended arm, rather than behind it. The attacker can flinch fire or react by stepping back and re-directing the weapon. Instead he could step to the left, out of the line of fire, behind the attackers extended arm as he directs the gun to the right and then disarm him. Another problem is bulky clothes and trying to get in and out of his arms.
romansten9 2 years ago
It seems like it takes too long to disarm it. In that time span where he goes for the disarm the shooter will fire his pistol. I'll try this and see if its effective or not.
Jakmehauf 2 years ago
Thats the way to go. You know the truth once you have done it yourself.
neilneazer 2 years ago
he cant do that to a sniper xD! LOL
MrSuperkiki 2 years ago
that looks an ok gun defece but can be complicated, i do aikido and in that situation i would 99.9% of the time antisipate doing kotegaeshi look it up on here it's such a simple move but real effective!! :)
julzrafpilot 2 years ago
like your gun defence , let me know what you make of myne if you get a chance to review it .
francokrav 2 years ago
couldnt i just shoot the guy?
achmedthedeadterror5 2 years ago
i kno right
corbin347 2 years ago
You remain in the line of fire too long after your intention is visible. Slapping the hand while pivoting, and grabbing the slide/barrel palm-down is faster, and this grip gives you enough leverage to torque the gun out. Don't weave your arms through his like you're doing.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
even if you deleted my comment the technique is still dangerous!
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
All gun techniques are dangerous! It's a shit or bust move from a two handed stance, you don't like it fine try another one. But it will be no less dangerous. I'm sorry I had to delete your comment I did not know you were quite so emotional.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
every defense against a gun are dangerous. more dangerous is to show unrealistic techniques . probably you delete my comment because you are more emotional then me. i'm sorry if you don't accept constructive criticism. for example,in the knife defense video you show a good movement. have a nice day and no worry... i stop every comments on your videos. thank you.
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
It's "I'll stop the comments on your video's." I delete comments I don't think are relevant. So cards on the table, what experience do you have of firearms instruction. What qualifies your critique?
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
my credits are visionable on my website. when someone criticize my techniques i`m happy... i can learn. if you don`t like that other have different opinion there`s an option to block comments...
my opinion is that are diffent and better solutions.
i work with police officers and i`ve experience with military personell... they enjoy my teaching. it`s life. have a nice day. i`m sorry for my bad english.
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
So what direct experience do you have of firearms? P.S. Your English is good my Italian is terrible.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
i learn from military instructors. I've had masters with military experiences and security. and you?
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
Firearms instructor/ Centerfire handguns. NSRA Mastershot, Expert, Marksman. A winner of many events with handguns. Over thirty years experience with all types of weapons.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
nsra is the sportive shooting association?
and what means marksman? i know by uss "friends" that is like a sniper. but i know that is airsoft weapons trademark too.
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
i watch again the video. my opinion is the same. for me it's very dangerous technique. if you have a not cooperating partner probably you "die" every time. this is my way of training: have a bastard partner....
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
:) have a bastard partner....!!! I like that. :)
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
yes!!!! is the best way to test yourself....
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
when i say bastard partner is the perfect partner. you must say to him
"try to kill me"
not "kick me in this way..." or "give me a left punch..."
when you don't know what,how and when and you're under stress it's something close to reality.
anyway i like your way.... but this disarm it's very difficult to realize. i try.... i die. probably you are faster then me :-)... but if a technique is for few people i don't use,i don't teach...
thanks for everything.
kravmagakapap 2 years ago 5
@kravmagakapap This is very true. I currently am in an advanced only "Street Defense" class (In Santos, SP) Brazil, and basically the first hour of class is "learning and practicing" new moves slow the way they are "set up" to be.
The next hour is "Attack me as hard as you can and rob, then murder me in any way you want" That is what makes me confortable without a gun on the street.
I own every gun in the world - Yours
DangerD205 5 months ago
anyway my opinion is not a criticism of the system or instructors or their apprenticeship, but on the single technique, as it is shown that it is risky. I know from experience that "see" is not the same thing to try. So, i'll try this disarm with my collaborators,under stress conditions and with no cooperating partner. At first look,is very difficult move body and both hands without your opponent shots.
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
It's a flanking move from a two handed stance, a Weaver stance adjusted. It's most important feature is that it's off the firing line. But it's fine if you don't like it different techniques for different people.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
but i want test this technique. sometimes we need differnt solutions because we have different abilities.
my best regards.
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
Take care with fingers in the trigger guard.
You may want to train with the bastard again.
:) be good.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
yes... every day. in or on?
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
In not on.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
if my "bastard" partner have the finger IN i'm very happy... i can break it!!! it's a joke!!!
yes,we take care. thanks.
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
if we are talking about the video of 23 November "close combat" (1:03 minutes) I'm showing a common wrong disarm and then the correct ....thanks for advice. i use video to see how many mistakes we made during training,not for publicize our school.
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
ehi, your friend in video don't have finger on trigger ( 1.00) !!!!!
have a nice day
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
That's right, no finger in the trigger guard unless it's for real.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
but in this way it's more easy disarm opponent and he can't shot when you move.
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
also a finger in the trigger guard is easily broken!
unholypentagonal 2 years ago
Your not supposed to have your finger on the trigger because you'll break it.
Jakmehauf 2 years ago
@kravmagakapap they dont have there finger on the gun because some moves involve rotating the gun till the index finger breaks
iamkris4ever 1 year ago
@iamkris4ever oh wow
JulianTV4u 1 year ago
@kravmagakapap If he had is finger on the trigger, His finger would be broken they way the trigger guard twist when you grab it.
YaJvkYa 1 year ago
@kravmagakapap the reason instructors and students NEVER put their fingers into the trigger of a practice gun is because most technique break the fingers with the diasarm
have a nice day
Describingthelost 1 year ago
what a joke. Soooo inefficient and when you intially grab their immediate reaction will be to shoot.
fighter4143 2 years ago
i'm agree.
kravmagakapap 2 years ago
it takes a while! while hes doing that he can still shoot
MrMuscleMacho 2 years ago
Look if he was going to shot you, you would be dead, and if he was remotely intelligent he would stay out of striking range. The technique is for a twat who gets too close. The gun just used as a threat for whatever reason.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
I agree that it's risky to still be so close to the line of fire. The only other problem I have is the tell-tale beginning motions he uses ( :53, i can only see him getting shot in the neck by a nervous gunman). Once he lands the strike, the gun is definately his. I just hope he's fast enough and the gunman doesn't get to pull the trigger!
BWeManX 2 years ago
Actually, watching it a second time, the technique at 1:08 seems to be very effective. His movements are fairly subtle, and he gets out of the line of fire quickly. Good job!
BWeManX 2 years ago 2
simple and effective. But if you don't get out the fire range, the technique will never work. Very good Video 5/5
Kaoroshi 2 years ago 3
wooooooooouuu¡
abogaleno 2 years ago
lol hes like THATS MINE at 0:55
computerguy12345 2 years ago 14
WHAT IF HES ONLY HOLDING IT WITH ONE HAND? sorry about caps lock
Samgurney88 2 years ago 2
Then it is simpler to take the gun away...
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
excellent ~~~~ 5 stars!
232323C 2 years ago 3
awsome, never tought of that!! 5 stars
nikothedog 2 years ago 5
Lol Hes LIke MY GUN!
Ifkedurgfandmcfizzle 2 years ago 2
wow... you would get shot here... most of the time he grabs the gun without moving off the firing line... not very good practice from my point of view...
jazzyslip 2 years ago 2
You'd be shot if you tried that.
Krav Maga is the only self defense
DuffmanIRL 2 years ago
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MadDogMeh 2 years ago
Having a small handgun without knowing how or when to use it is no defence. Only when you have used a weapon can you understand the responcibility that comes with it. Be nice to people stay aware. Remember a gun is a tool but is no match for a jack, spanner, or grips in a car they have much more use.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
It depends how hard, and where, you kick the opponent. Pressure points can be your ally here.
ryan31394 2 years ago
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Surprise is a martial artists only hope against a gun.Guns and firearms technologies are the ultimate martial art of killing. Hand to hand combat is obsolete compared to these. Note that the introduction of firearms in japan ended the centuries old Samurai culture. The only thing we as martial artists can do when it comes to guns is learn to use them safely, as for learning gun disarms never try them in real life unless you're close enough and are ready to kill or die if you make a mistake.
MfalmeBwana 2 years ago
The kick is just an example, not a real kick just to show what is there. Get the idea, you can get back to your lego now.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
why the anger? I didn't say your crappy move was bad. I just said the the uke exaggerated the motion. you are to damn sensitive. I understand the move, I understand gun defense quit well. there is nothing wrong with your move or your video, only thing wrong is your shitty ass attitude.
shoulung 2 years ago
Ha ha Iss whoo a lickle sad?
NewportArt 2 years ago
do you know the timing and speed it will take for you to execute this move, it would be great to see an attacker fight back for ones..
creativecombats 2 years ago
If you look at the Goshinkwai techniques they appear excessive, but it's all designed to counter and counter against a fight back.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
es mia mi tesoro 0:40 pa lante xdxd
leones33333 2 years ago
I have to agree with FrontLineKravMaga. Massive body motion which would easily be picked up in the defenders peripheral vision. Too risky against a gun.
kravsystems 2 years ago
You don't have one two handed Krav counter, that's all this is, you move to the side as you would with Krav from the back, flank and move one arm bettween two to take the gun. It's a defence at very close range from a two handed stance.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
the hills have eyes
ILLUMANOV 2 years ago
Good to see a comment from a chess player. Flank and take.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
i don't know but the persons that holds a gun with both arms are the cops...
GangsofLA 2 years ago
Anybody with two hands can hold a gun with two hands.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
It's Goshinkwai which is taught to the SAS so I'm guessing it works. Having said that, if soemone points a gun at me and asks for my wallet, I'd rather lose the £30 and cancel my cards than risk my life.
JamesMMcCann 2 years ago
Yep why take a chance with your life over a few quid.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
Because pride is important. :)
NicenEasyuk 2 years ago
Pride can also get you killed, it's tough to get mad at a bullet, your own ego can be the most dangerous thing. If you can walk away from the situation then you won.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
How would you respond to FrontlineKravMaga's argument?
Lad22nd 2 years ago
Only an idiot would believe this. Then again it may work against American soldiers since most of them have ADD. What if the person with a gun is 5 feet away?
lieblieberman 2 years ago
If your five feet away it won't work you get killed you moron. Look if your going to write a post, here is the thing...have a point! Only an idiot could come up with such a post.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
what effect could gun discharge have during this move (grabbing the gun)? Wouldn't your hand release in reflex?
lexmurphy 2 years ago
Discharge would be painful to the hand and stunning also, the noise is probably the most under-rated aspect of dealing with live weapons. It takes getting used to. However discharge into a controlling hand is much better than near the face. A wheel gun can be locked if fired double action, an automatic will blow back and yes your hand could release as a consequence. No guarantees.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
May I ask what Government Department you received your firearms training from and whether you hold the appropriate firearms license to hold courses?
BellumFilia 2 years ago
The people in the video trained various special forces and personnel from all over the world, as part of a company composed of EX-SAS personnel. The basic government department from which original training took place MOD. Training with live firearms is not recommended or permitted under current UK law. Handguns are only permitted for use by military or police. Firearms courses are permitted outside the UK see the TBD Website. To subscribe however you must undergo a rigorous vetting procedure.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
plus you are gonna have to be stupid fast in order to use all that movement without the gunman reacting, he won't just stand there as in this vid!
t1mel1ne 2 years ago
Ha ha, your 18 I remember when I had my first beer too :)
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
complicated, very complicated. wats wrong with, having moved 'out of the way' simply pokink him in the eye? because once you've got the gun, guess wat, you're the attacker! if they decide you're not gonna shoot them and stand up to you, are you gonna run away holding it? drop it for them then run? actually threaten them back?! the law will NOT like you shooting a now unarmed man!
t1mel1ne 2 years ago
defense technique dvd's by cliff stewart ...this guy is the real deal (no disrespect intended) and he is the elite when it come to body guard and law enforcement security training, and what better of a prepared trained elite than a body guard which is always surrounded by people that he never know might attack him..good videos, not tryining to be little you just giving out some good advice, so how about i take a look at you dvd n you try my method fair dont you think ??
jonnygrease501 2 years ago
Ohhh man you are not Cliff Stewart, Doh !how dull I am. Anyway thanks for your comments.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
if i know something is that footwork alone is not gonna save you from recieving a punch to the face let alone the a speeding bullet, its not wise to assume that your techniques will work only on inexperienced gumen, you should always assume any assailant is a trained killer and takes the exact same precautions as you do to makes sure he kills you and one of those i know would be making sure he doesnt miss, now if you want to look at a dvd on good firearm disarming techiques take a look at gun
jonnygrease501 2 years ago
I did not say footwork alone was going to save you, agggg :0) Look you don't like the technique fine, that's ok it's only somthing to look at and think about.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
the weapon so you know where it is at all times and you have better control rather than just performing the technique, because if he just happens to be quicker and he sees your attempt he can easily turn with you and although you might get the disarm he can still get a shot in ...but if youve already made contact with the weapon theres not much he ccan do , plus you have strikes and other locks as well to help through the process if your first attempt fails ...
jonnygrease501 2 years ago
No sorry, not close to the body it don't. You need to see the footwork on the DVD you can't see it on the mid shot. In close with two hands on the gun you have less manoverability with the gun (from the side). Try it out and see.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
you have it the other way around ...when the arms are locked it makes a redirection that much easier to control the direction the barrel is pointet, not to mention it makes it more difficult when gunmen to re-aim his gun at you when hes using both hands, it makes his aim more precise but slower in motion, and you can still do the through the middle and under technique by slapping ir even pushing the gun out the way because now you have more control cause you have physical contact with the
jonnygrease501 2 years ago
Anyway lets see your technique, post a link to your firearms or martial arts clip and lets see your knowledge. It would help qualify your statements.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
direction your moving and not make the slap senseless maybe use it to direct the gun towards your other hand clasping both hands with the gun or just merely redirect the barrel to give you enough time to move out of the line of fire because of coarse it does take an expert gunman to follow you with the barrel of his gun. You need divert his attention for a mere second to perform a succesful disarm rather than striking after youve executed your technique,no disrespect just constructive critisism
jonnygrease501 2 years ago
To re- aim a two handed stance takes longer the body must move because the arms are locked. That's the backstory to the technique so you can come in from the side and take it. The one arm goes between the two so withdrawing the gun to re-aim is not so easy. With the left hand going over the action, even just the thumb you have the leverage.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
theres nothing wrong with the technique its pretty effective , same goes with moving to the outside there are other methods to disarm from the outside where the flaw lies is in the distance of your hands and the execution of getting from point A to B ..you cannot succesfully control his gun to perform you disarm at the range ur hands are without a distraction (physical or verbal) verbal. Your hands move much faster that you body so a good idea would be maybe to slap the gun away from the
jonnygrease501 2 years ago
He had the gun aimed right at him when he did the move. Normally a move like that will discharge the gun and hit him in the chest. Unless the safety is on. Look at the end of the video.
beerrunner81 2 years ago
It's the angle it's a two shot you don't see it as well as you might.
Wizzydoofer 2 years ago
but how do i defend myself against someone with a banana?
JNT20 2 years ago