Kind of funny if you think about it. Just the day before Voyager returns to the Alpha quadrant its technology was probable obsolete by Federation standards. Then once it returns it becomes one of the most powerful vessels in the fleet.
the Transwarp conduits are available in the Galaxy (they are 6 hubs overall stated on screen) being that seven of nine did not know about this one assimilated by the borg its clear that it was not available before endgame during the time of First Contact etc...Voyager did not have any loophole or Flaws and judging by your comment calling it a wormhole you did not watch the show so don't criticize
@miloootic Still, Why wouldn't the borg have constructed a transwarp conduit leading to earth along time ago? There are 6 other hubs so this idea is not beyond their ability. One day they woke up and decided to invade earth? I love Voyager but Star Trek requires tremendous thought from writers. Sometimes I feel that they forget this.
@miloootic The cube must have gone the long way. If the transwarp hub had been around at the time of First Contact than Seven of Nine would have known about it because the Borg share a collective consciousness and First Contact took place BEFORE Endgame. The hub must have been constructed between the time seven was freed from the borg and the time Endgame took place. Or else she would have known about it. FC took place in 2373, Seven was de-assimilated in 2374. So the hub was not used in FC.
@Jmanyc123 exactly :) it is unknown when the hub was created by the borg. but what is clear its available after first contact and debut endgame so there is 3-4 years between that. it was stated that the queen did not want to lose anymore ships to the Federation since their resistance quotient is high,she wanted to infect humanity with Viral nano-probes to assimilate them gradually,instead of a Direct assault (''Dark Frontier) that's why they never attacked earth.
@Jmanyc123 I can answer this easily. The 7 of 9 was removed from the collective during Scorpion part 2 Season 4(looks up the numbers, not off memory). Endgame took place Season 7. For all we know that hub was constructed after 7 of 9 left the collective. Also, without access to the Collective, one mind can not process retain all the information on Borg movements, and facilities. That is why the Borg work better as a Collective, shared knowledge spread out threw out Drones.
what did tuvok do when he pushd that button? I then see a torpedo and then the sphere explodes. I get the result but there seems to be a shot or two missing. This has bothered me since I first watched endgame.
I could picture one of the Starfleet vessels relaying back to command as a matter of seeing the USS Voyager back in the Alpha Quadrant "Starfleet Command, you're not going to believe this. It's one of our ships, an Intrepid-class. IT'S THE VOYAGER!"
@Taylor13371337 the easiest explanation I can personally come up with is that she's not a physical person per se, but rather think of her like software, with multiple copies present throughout borg space
remember the scene in First Contact when the Queen says to Data that he thinks in such small 3 dimensional terms?
time travel always created paradoxes, no matter what.
if voygaer got home at that point, then admiral janeway could never have helped them, yet if admiral janeway didnt help them, they wouldnt have got home, meaning admiral janeway could help them meaning... you get the idea.
When landing a healthy ship in a controlled situation electro magnectic discharges were blowing out panels all over the bridge...but when,after a running battle with the Borg,their armour depleted and having survived the explosion of the Borg vessel from within, they emerge from the flaming debris in perfectly controlled flight without so much as a wisp of smoke anywhere. I loved this show but it would have been soooo cool to see the ship tumble out of those flames.
@DarkMeir It was a Galaxy class like the Enterprise, but Enterprise's missions were deep space so the chances of it being close to earth aren't that great I'd imagine.
@Jmanyc123 Nooot really... in one of the preivious episodes they say that humans have resisted multiple times, and that tehy are also very adaptivce. They wanted 7 of 9 to develop a planetwide virus to infect earth.
Its not a loop hole. The Borg never actually declared war against the Federation. If a cube where to happen to float buy fine go attack earth. Borg was the dominant species of the Galaxy and remember as a rule back in the beginning the Borg don't attack thinks they don't feel are a threat. In this episode at the very last second she actually wanted to destroy voyager but it was already too late and the virus was everywhere.
@jimbopumbapigsticks It might be a new addtion? possibly and the borg might have eventually used it? 7 never did say anything about transwarp hubs. maybe they can only add anew aparture once they have visited that area????
Re: the wormhole thing. To be fair, it's a one-way trip and far outside Borg space, so they would have to launch a lot of ships just to assimilate one planet on the other side of the galaxy - not a very efficient use of resources. Maybe given the events of Best of Both Worlds and First Contact they're wary of sending single ships to earth, and just thought they'd get around to assimilating it eventually. That's the only justification I can think of.
@jimbopumbapigsticks Use it for what? To assimilate Earth? They can't...Starfleet by that time has developed new technology that enabled them to defend themselves against Borg ships.
@Omithy Yes, we can see that in First Contact where an entire fleet gets owned by one cube, and would have been destroyed but for Picard's link to the collective. And again here, where Starfleet Command are shitting themselves at the sight of a Borg wormhole.
@jimbopumbapigsticks First Contact was YEARS ago compared to technology develop say in 2376 and onwards. Those bad ass Prometheus class starships comes to mind, quantum torpedos, that virus pathogen developed by Janeway in Endgame. Soo many weapons to use against the Borg that the Federation did not have before.
@Omithy Regardless it makes very little sense. The borg have vast fleets and they could have easily squashed earth any time. The only logical conclusion if you dismiss the loophole is that they didn't see it as necessary. Humans add very little advantages to the Borg, seeing that the technology is less advanced and humans in general are frail and useless in the ST universe. So looking at it mechanically with a vast galaxy to assimilate it probably wasn't next up on their list of things to do.
@llamapi3 Except.....it was up on their list of things to do, WAY UP.. Remember when Seven of Nine briefly came back to the Borg in episodes "Dark Frontier" Parts 1 and 2? During her time with the Queen then, she almost assisted the Queen in coming up with new ways to assimilate...HUMANS, yes humanity, because prior attempts failed. Remember that?
The Borg's fascination with humans is quite clear ever since Wolf 359...so assimilating them has got to be on their list of things to do.
@CaptHawkeye LOL your opinion sucks Voyager was voted number 2 as best trek series ever after TNG check the polls on startrek dot com the show had nothing wrong to it ...
@CaptHawkeye the point is you are 1 insignificant individual and your opinion does not count since you know nothing about the story.your just voicing your hate about VoY. polls made by the majority is what counts.
@jimbopumbapigsticks Yeah but the borg haven't assimilated a good sat-nav system, so it's no wonder they haven't found the right exit for earth, especially when their sat nav system keeps telling them to make a legal U-turn
@jimbopumbapigsticks the same goes to fail attempt by the borg to assimilate earth. They always send 1 cube to assimilate the alpha quadrant at a time.
@spike378 Could be the whoe invincibility mentality of the Borg...or it could be the sci-fi equivilent of a Bruce Lee movie where the gang of 30 bad guys go after Bruce one-by-one even after they watch the first four guys go down....
WTF!!! The borg queen could have opened a transwarp 'apature' right next to Earth?!? Hey queenie, why don't you send like 249 cubes through the apature and assimilate earth? It seems the federation can only muster 18 ships at a moments notice to repel an attack. That's f*cking pathetic!
and how would Chekotay and his original Maquids crew be treated? Would that open a new peaceful solution with the Maquids? All are good plots to explore
I wish this had happened mid season of 7 and then spent the rest of the season explaining their lives adjusting back in federation space. I liked Voyager but the ending felt rushed. Ds9 took 6 episodes almost to tie loose ends.
@great1138 exactly, like how 7 of 9 "adapted", how the original Maquids are treated( a sub-plot letting them arrested when arriving on earth, and how Janeway came to their defence), etc would be nice
@great1138 It's because the writters knew shit would happen to the crew: maqui stuff, omega violations, multiple interveiws and from temperol investigations especialy since janeway broke the temperol prime directive HARD and changed history.
@viperhalberd: Not quite, since the future Janeway now never existed as far as Starfleet is concerned, and all of the future events also never now happened due to her sacrifice/gambit.
@Neville6000 I'm sure Janeway allowing future weapons technology to be shared and installed on her ship would have been a violation of the Temporal Prime Directive in some regard.
@Neville6000 Or the new way of thinking because of the new star trek movie by JJ Abrams is that Future Admiral Janeway basically created aternate timeline same like how Nero caused creation of alternate TOS.
@great1138 That was one of my great dissapointments of how they wrapped up Voyager too, something near half Voyager's crew was criminals as far as the Federation was concerned. It's like they writers (or whoever) just completely forgot about that after 7 seasons, many had interrupted lives, they could have spent half of a season tying up the loose ends of the main crew alone.
@KaneinEncanto: The novels said that the surviving Voyager Maquis were pardoned due to what happed to their comrades (they were wiped out by the Dominion.)
@great1138 i never liked how DS9 got degraded to a war drama. It was like they couldn't come up with enough stories of stuff coming to the station, and visiting other worlds in the runabouts wasn't enough, that they had to add the Defiant and the Dominion War. There were moments that I really enjoyed, but the big battles weren't doing it for me. I much preferred Voyager angle. I still felt DS9's ending was rushed.
@Defidius I highly disagree.Voyagers ending did not have the intended emotion. DS9 did on the other hand "degrade" itself into a war drama but it handled the war very well. Instead ending in 6 episodes like Berman initially wanted, Ira Stephen Behr built the entire series around it. Good choice. Voyager built itself on the established Borg. There were more Borg episodes on Voyager than on TNG meaning Berman and Kenneth(bad writer) Biller ran out of ideas. The Pah Wraith story was well done also.
Humans think in such 3-D terms. It could possibly be time travel like the sphere in first contact after data did the sleep protocol thing that the queen survives. Most likely just a means of escape.
Yet the queen has stated that she was assimilated 18 years ago and there may be a hierarchy with the end result of her being promoted to queen.
Or the queen could be clones like weyoun that is activated when one dies, since they dont reproduce.
not really happy about the ending. I would have prefered to see them at home on Earth, and all that. oh well.
jennam1987 1 day ago
Why would the borg ship 'eat' Voyager if there was a risk of Voyager just blowing them up from the inside out?
"I'VE GOT A GREAT IDEA! I'M GOING TO EAT A HANDFUL OF POISONOUS SCORPIONS!! WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?!?!1ONE!"
fukathis 1 day ago
Kind of funny if you think about it. Just the day before Voyager returns to the Alpha quadrant its technology was probable obsolete by Federation standards. Then once it returns it becomes one of the most powerful vessels in the fleet.
porpus99 3 days ago
What episode is this ?
braunibrumm 1 week ago
@braunibrumm ... are you freaking kidding me!? Seriously... if you don't know - stop disrespecting the Janeway by commenting.
MrJurisDoctor 3 days ago
@braunibrumm Star Trek Voyager Season 7 Episode 25(171 episode of Voyager) Endgame.
porpus99 3 days ago
the Transwarp conduits are available in the Galaxy (they are 6 hubs overall stated on screen) being that seven of nine did not know about this one assimilated by the borg its clear that it was not available before endgame during the time of First Contact etc...Voyager did not have any loophole or Flaws and judging by your comment calling it a wormhole you did not watch the show so don't criticize
miloootic 2 weeks ago
@miloootic Still, Why wouldn't the borg have constructed a transwarp conduit leading to earth along time ago? There are 6 other hubs so this idea is not beyond their ability. One day they woke up and decided to invade earth? I love Voyager but Star Trek requires tremendous thought from writers. Sometimes I feel that they forget this.
Jmanyc123 2 weeks ago
@Jmanyc123 how do you think the borg cube got to earth in FC?
miloootic 2 weeks ago
@miloootic The cube must have gone the long way. If the transwarp hub had been around at the time of First Contact than Seven of Nine would have known about it because the Borg share a collective consciousness and First Contact took place BEFORE Endgame. The hub must have been constructed between the time seven was freed from the borg and the time Endgame took place. Or else she would have known about it. FC took place in 2373, Seven was de-assimilated in 2374. So the hub was not used in FC.
Jmanyc123 2 weeks ago
@Jmanyc123 exactly :) it is unknown when the hub was created by the borg. but what is clear its available after first contact and debut endgame so there is 3-4 years between that. it was stated that the queen did not want to lose anymore ships to the Federation since their resistance quotient is high,she wanted to infect humanity with Viral nano-probes to assimilate them gradually,instead of a Direct assault (''Dark Frontier) that's why they never attacked earth.
miloootic 2 weeks ago
@Jmanyc123 I can answer this easily. The 7 of 9 was removed from the collective during Scorpion part 2 Season 4(looks up the numbers, not off memory). Endgame took place Season 7. For all we know that hub was constructed after 7 of 9 left the collective. Also, without access to the Collective, one mind can not process retain all the information on Borg movements, and facilities. That is why the Borg work better as a Collective, shared knowledge spread out threw out Drones.
porpus99 3 days ago
I'm obsessed with Star Trek: Voyager
TheJKVW 3 weeks ago
I know but why didnt they show voyager firing the torpedo?
generalBlasto 2 months ago
what did tuvok do when he pushd that button? I then see a torpedo and then the sphere explodes. I get the result but there seems to be a shot or two missing. This has bothered me since I first watched endgame.
generalBlasto 2 months ago
@generalBlasto They were inside the Borg sphere.
wmooring 2 months ago
i get chills every time i see this scene
njrivet77 2 months ago
Dont u just hate it they dont show a welcome home party and it ends so abruptly.
spike378 4 months ago 2
Hull breach 6-12 Captain gives the I don't give a crap look. Worst series even Star Trek Enterprise was better.
LordHannigan 4 months ago
1:25 Death Star mode initiated...
OneOfThoseVideoMaker 4 months ago
Pause it at 0:07 it looks like hot kinky lesbian sex.
LIBshark 4 months ago
1:50 Hehe, it's the Enterprise D.
Syupweque2 4 months ago
@Syupweque2 No shit, Sherpock.
EduardoTVideos 4 months ago
@EduardoTVideos That was uncalled for.
Syupweque2 4 months ago
@Syupweque2 Now its just another Galaxy class Star Ship.
LordHannigan 4 months ago
@LordHannigan Same thing.
Syupweque2 4 months ago
@Syupweque2 No its not the same thing. Doesn't work that way.
LordHannigan 4 months ago
@LordHannigan Once everything is all said and done, it doesn't matter and it might as well be the same thing.
Syupweque2 4 months ago
@Syupweque2 That is illogical it wasn't the Enterprise and there for you are wrong.
LordHannigan 4 months ago
These Borg ship explosions make a lot of space debris and junk out there!
flownet07 4 months ago
I could picture one of the Starfleet vessels relaying back to command as a matter of seeing the USS Voyager back in the Alpha Quadrant "Starfleet Command, you're not going to believe this. It's one of our ships, an Intrepid-class. IT'S THE VOYAGER!"
Sulaco516 5 months ago
This episode ticks me off!!!
MegaMechGod 6 months ago
Death to the borg.
wolverale1 7 months ago
Wait, I thought the Queen died in First Contact
aDinoSupremacist 7 months ago
@aDinoSupremacist TEMPORAL ANOMALY! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH *dissapears*
tlucentefl 6 months ago
@aDinoSupremacist yea i thought so too
Taylor13371337 6 months ago
@Taylor13371337 the easiest explanation I can personally come up with is that she's not a physical person per se, but rather think of her like software, with multiple copies present throughout borg space
remember the scene in First Contact when the Queen says to Data that he thinks in such small 3 dimensional terms?
Tjorvia 6 months ago 3
time travel always created paradoxes, no matter what.
if voygaer got home at that point, then admiral janeway could never have helped them, yet if admiral janeway didnt help them, they wouldnt have got home, meaning admiral janeway could help them meaning... you get the idea.
TheCatapultTV 8 months ago
I cried :(
I love Janeway's little "We did it" she even sounded suprised.
ProbieDee 8 months ago 2
@ProbieDee Yeah, I liked that. Almost disbelief that they had done something so difficult.
jimbopumbapigsticks 6 months ago
HOW MANY GUYS WANTED TO SEE 7 OF 9, BUTT NAKED???
Rangief 8 months ago
Love this death of the Queen!
bluenail03 9 months ago
When landing a healthy ship in a controlled situation electro magnectic discharges were blowing out panels all over the bridge...but when,after a running battle with the Borg,their armour depleted and having survived the explosion of the Borg vessel from within, they emerge from the flaming debris in perfectly controlled flight without so much as a wisp of smoke anywhere. I loved this show but it would have been soooo cool to see the ship tumble out of those flames.
Ray0469 9 months ago
Her delivery of the line, "We did it" is some of the best acting that I ever watched.
It was simply perfection.
TiminPhoenix 9 months ago
baaaaaaaaaad writing
mjmanning123 10 months ago
Did I see The Enterprise at 1:50?
DarkMeir 10 months ago
@DarkMeir It was a Galaxy class like the Enterprise, but Enterprise's missions were deep space so the chances of it being close to earth aren't that great I'd imagine.
xDownSetx2 10 months ago
Soooooo the Borg have a wormhole thing leads directly to Earth. . . and they just never use it?
jimbopumbapigsticks 10 months ago 54
@jimbopumbapigsticks The big loophole of endgame
Jmanyc123 10 months ago 32
@Jmanyc123 Nooot really... in one of the preivious episodes they say that humans have resisted multiple times, and that tehy are also very adaptivce. They wanted 7 of 9 to develop a planetwide virus to infect earth.
Valvallaria 9 months ago
@Jmanyc123
Its not a loop hole. The Borg never actually declared war against the Federation. If a cube where to happen to float buy fine go attack earth. Borg was the dominant species of the Galaxy and remember as a rule back in the beginning the Borg don't attack thinks they don't feel are a threat. In this episode at the very last second she actually wanted to destroy voyager but it was already too late and the virus was everywhere.
SoulSeak 7 months ago 2
@Jmanyc123 you mean....WORMHOLE? lolololol
BrutamalizerSWG 2 weeks ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks It might be a new addtion? possibly and the borg might have eventually used it? 7 never did say anything about transwarp hubs. maybe they can only add anew aparture once they have visited that area????
AElektraZ87 10 months ago
Re: the wormhole thing. To be fair, it's a one-way trip and far outside Borg space, so they would have to launch a lot of ships just to assimilate one planet on the other side of the galaxy - not a very efficient use of resources. Maybe given the events of Best of Both Worlds and First Contact they're wary of sending single ships to earth, and just thought they'd get around to assimilating it eventually. That's the only justification I can think of.
jimbopumbapigsticks 10 months ago
@AElektraZ87 "Aperture science, we do what we must because we can..." Sorry, that just popped into my head after reading your comment lol!
Dargonhuman 9 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks it wasnt ready yet
Killuminati911 10 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks they probably just finished building it that far
lojosol 9 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks
transwarp thing it goes everywhere but they are scared to use it ..
GAWD47 9 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks Use it for what? To assimilate Earth? They can't...Starfleet by that time has developed new technology that enabled them to defend themselves against Borg ships.
Omithy 9 months ago
@Omithy Yes, we can see that in First Contact where an entire fleet gets owned by one cube, and would have been destroyed but for Picard's link to the collective. And again here, where Starfleet Command are shitting themselves at the sight of a Borg wormhole.
jimbopumbapigsticks 9 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks First Contact was YEARS ago compared to technology develop say in 2376 and onwards. Those bad ass Prometheus class starships comes to mind, quantum torpedos, that virus pathogen developed by Janeway in Endgame. Soo many weapons to use against the Borg that the Federation did not have before.
Omithy 9 months ago
@Omithy Regardless it makes very little sense. The borg have vast fleets and they could have easily squashed earth any time. The only logical conclusion if you dismiss the loophole is that they didn't see it as necessary. Humans add very little advantages to the Borg, seeing that the technology is less advanced and humans in general are frail and useless in the ST universe. So looking at it mechanically with a vast galaxy to assimilate it probably wasn't next up on their list of things to do.
llamapi3 8 months ago
@llamapi3 Except.....it was up on their list of things to do, WAY UP.. Remember when Seven of Nine briefly came back to the Borg in episodes "Dark Frontier" Parts 1 and 2? During her time with the Queen then, she almost assisted the Queen in coming up with new ways to assimilate...HUMANS, yes humanity, because prior attempts failed. Remember that?
The Borg's fascination with humans is quite clear ever since Wolf 359...so assimilating them has got to be on their list of things to do.
Omithy 8 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks its like them attacking with one ship... wth ?
horusrage 6 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks did you see the amount of ships they had waitting 4 the borg?, but if the borg attacked them earth would probably lose
andre20041997 6 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks The Xindi on Enterprise had one too. Boy, somethin like that woulda saved old Kirk months and months of travel...
Edocsil6437 6 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks The answer is that Voyager sucks, and they'd be better off just disqualifying it from continuity entirely.
CaptHawkeye 4 months ago
@CaptHawkeye LOL your opinion sucks Voyager was voted number 2 as best trek series ever after TNG check the polls on startrek dot com the show had nothing wrong to it ...
miloootic 2 weeks ago
@miloootic I don't give a shit about what some sweaty nerds said on the website.
CaptHawkeye 2 weeks ago
@CaptHawkeye LOL then your opinion counts more then 30 thousand fans? i think not good day.
miloootic 2 weeks ago
@miloootic Of course it doesn't, I just don't care about what they think. Understand?
CaptHawkeye 2 weeks ago
@CaptHawkeye ok whatever you just proved my point
miloootic 2 weeks ago
@miloootic You don't *have* a point.
CaptHawkeye 2 weeks ago
@CaptHawkeye the point is you are 1 insignificant individual and your opinion does not count since you know nothing about the story.your just voicing your hate about VoY. polls made by the majority is what counts.
miloootic 2 weeks ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks Yeah but the borg haven't assimilated a good sat-nav system, so it's no wonder they haven't found the right exit for earth, especially when their sat nav system keeps telling them to make a legal U-turn
God2007 4 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks the same goes to fail attempt by the borg to assimilate earth. They always send 1 cube to assimilate the alpha quadrant at a time.
spike378 4 months ago
@spike378 Could be the whoe invincibility mentality of the Borg...or it could be the sci-fi equivilent of a Bruce Lee movie where the gang of 30 bad guys go after Bruce one-by-one even after they watch the first four guys go down....
HayBea 4 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks the wornhole thing is called a transwarp conduit
CrazyKitBuilder 3 months ago
@CrazyKitBuilder Who gives a shit? It's a work of fiction.
jimbopumbapigsticks 3 months ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks to anwser your qustion i give a shit. im 100% star trek geek
CrazyKitBuilder 3 months ago 3
@jimbopumbapigsticks They do use it. They've used it for the attack in ST: First Contact movie.
StrikerVX2006 1 month ago
@jimbopumbapigsticks I think the reason they never used it might have been because Starfleet was too powerfulat that time.
LALutuber21 2 weeks ago
borg orgasms are difficult
axom20 11 months ago
@redfog29 New borg queen or there could be multiple.
PyreCurse 11 months ago
Hey I always wondered how the borg queen dies in voyager if she also dies in star trek: first contact ?!
redfog29 1 year ago
@redfog29 You think in such three-dimensional terms...
Archedgar 10 months ago 2
is the borg queen the same one from First Contact. I like her.
lofthouse23 1 year ago
"Captain Janeway is about to die. If she has no future, you will never exist. And nothing you have done here today will happen."
That can't be true. Admiral Janeway already changed history by going back. So according to the Borg Queen's logic, she already shouldn't exist.
jgkloosterman 1 year ago
@jgkloosterman not necessarily, with temporal logic sometimes effect can precede cause.
demoradex 1 year ago
@demoradex I dunno. There aren't any episodes that come to my mind that the future person starts fading away Back to the Future style.
jgkloosterman 1 year ago
I still think Harry shouldve taken the helm since he was the most eager one to get back.
Ds3950 1 year ago
oh hey we're home, the end. worst trek series ever =\
mildminotaur 1 year ago
The original Star Trek is the only Star Trek. The rest of it is all junk.
49bobbyk 1 year ago
@49bobbyk Nah, you've got that in reverse. TNG is the only Star Trek. The original series is all junk.
blue1085 1 year ago
@49bobbyk Blah... that's just a matter of opinion. So far Voyager is my favourite.
everyoneissleeping 1 year ago
the borg queen didnt die, shes just manipulated flesh, the collective queen still excists :)
hawkmoth11 1 year ago
where is this in the timeline ?
before, after of in the middle of ds9
Remco1901 1 year ago
@Remco1901
It's 3 or 4 years after the end of DS9.
escelante 1 year ago
WTF!!! The borg queen could have opened a transwarp 'apature' right next to Earth?!? Hey queenie, why don't you send like 249 cubes through the apature and assimilate earth? It seems the federation can only muster 18 ships at a moments notice to repel an attack. That's f*cking pathetic!
liptonBlueBirdAdd 1 year ago 4
@liptonBlueBirdAdd Well, it is Star Trek Voyager lol
waffleownage 1 year ago
I guess startrek believe in linear time-line. That causes problem with grandfather paradox and all kinds of obstacles...
tkoizumi 1 year ago
and how would Chekotay and his original Maquids crew be treated? Would that open a new peaceful solution with the Maquids? All are good plots to explore
eddielung31 1 year ago
You know how this should have ended?
Admiral Paris: Captain...you have some serious shit going on with your ship there...whats the deal with that hull armor?
Janeway: It will all be in my report
Admiral Paris: No...tell me now...
LivesForJihad 1 year ago
I wish this had happened mid season of 7 and then spent the rest of the season explaining their lives adjusting back in federation space. I liked Voyager but the ending felt rushed. Ds9 took 6 episodes almost to tie loose ends.
great1138 2 years ago 60
Actually, the last arc of DS9 was ten episodes (including the two-hour finale).
And, yeah, I agree, the ending of Voyager was rushed.
Tubewings 2 years ago
@great1138 exactly, like how 7 of 9 "adapted", how the original Maquids are treated( a sub-plot letting them arrested when arriving on earth, and how Janeway came to their defence), etc would be nice
eddielung31 1 year ago
@great1138 I think that Voyager was told to finish now or get cancelled
neko452 1 year ago 3
@great1138 It's because the writters knew shit would happen to the crew: maqui stuff, omega violations, multiple interveiws and from temperol investigations especialy since janeway broke the temperol prime directive HARD and changed history.
JeremiahNepe 1 year ago
@JeremiahNepe Yeah and as a reward for Janeway's breaching of both prime directives, they promote her to Admiral! Great job Starfleet!
viperhalberd 1 year ago
@viperhalberd: Not quite, since the future Janeway now never existed as far as Starfleet is concerned, and all of the future events also never now happened due to her sacrifice/gambit.
Neville6000 1 year ago
@Neville6000 I'm sure Janeway allowing future weapons technology to be shared and installed on her ship would have been a violation of the Temporal Prime Directive in some regard.
viperhalberd 1 year ago
@Neville6000 Or the new way of thinking because of the new star trek movie by JJ Abrams is that Future Admiral Janeway basically created aternate timeline same like how Nero caused creation of alternate TOS.
dboymax1 7 months ago
@viperhalberd on the bright side they put her behind a desk.
Kefka44 11 months ago
@great1138 That was one of my great dissapointments of how they wrapped up Voyager too, something near half Voyager's crew was criminals as far as the Federation was concerned. It's like they writers (or whoever) just completely forgot about that after 7 seasons, many had interrupted lives, they could have spent half of a season tying up the loose ends of the main crew alone.
KaneinEncanto 8 months ago
@KaneinEncanto
Of course there's the books, but it's not exactly the same I guess.
Usul573 8 months ago
@KaneinEncanto: The novels said that the surviving Voyager Maquis were pardoned due to what happed to their comrades (they were wiped out by the Dominion.)
Neville6000 7 months ago
@great1138 i never liked how DS9 got degraded to a war drama. It was like they couldn't come up with enough stories of stuff coming to the station, and visiting other worlds in the runabouts wasn't enough, that they had to add the Defiant and the Dominion War. There were moments that I really enjoyed, but the big battles weren't doing it for me. I much preferred Voyager angle. I still felt DS9's ending was rushed.
Defidius 6 months ago
@Defidius I highly disagree.Voyagers ending did not have the intended emotion. DS9 did on the other hand "degrade" itself into a war drama but it handled the war very well. Instead ending in 6 episodes like Berman initially wanted, Ira Stephen Behr built the entire series around it. Good choice. Voyager built itself on the established Borg. There were more Borg episodes on Voyager than on TNG meaning Berman and Kenneth(bad writer) Biller ran out of ideas. The Pah Wraith story was well done also.
Neomac316 6 months ago
Galaxy-class at 1:50 :D
trollheimer 2 years ago
@trollheimer not only a galaxy-class but a excelsior-class too :D
Mardi87 1 year ago
@Mardi87 8D
colsupertaco 1 year ago
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Humans think in such 3-D terms. It could possibly be time travel like the sphere in first contact after data did the sleep protocol thing that the queen survives. Most likely just a means of escape.
Yet the queen has stated that she was assimilated 18 years ago and there may be a hierarchy with the end result of her being promoted to queen.
Or the queen could be clones like weyoun that is activated when one dies, since they dont reproduce.
Or does she just lie about it similar to data?
bmwsux4 2 years ago 3
HOLY SHIT ITS BROCCOLI
panfisha 2 years ago 28
lt barkley!!!!!! long tim e no see
philipay 2 years ago 3
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