I am working for Mitsubishi and have been in that "dusthole" before. Japanese companies never trust those sandpeople. because they never pay their debts and cry for more. this is also why Japanese goverment is kicking kurdish people out of Nippon. so, in my opinion, you may never catch dubai. Also a wrong decision will let the angry arabic and turksish to get your asses (it must be really sad for you guys, but as you know the truth hurts).
This is true that turkish I meant mangolies watch every singal of vidoes about Kurdistan because their arse pain never go away til then Kurdistan & America for ever screw you mangolies !!!
No one likes a jew coz they got some kurds in em or kurds got jews in em. Who gives a shit u both worth less than a fuckin pig. Bail my nutsack son of a biiiyyyatch
ITS FUNNY HOW THEY ALWAYS GO ON TO KURDISH VIDEOS AN START TALKIN MADD SHIT AHAHAH GET LIFE WE DNT C KURDS GOIN ON UR VIDOES N TALKIN SHIT U FUCKIN GOOOFS
KURDISTAN RIGHT NOW CAN BUY THE HOLE FUCKIN TURKEYY LMOA WE BALLLIN NIGGA AHAHA
The fall of Nineveh shocked the ancient world. The Jewish prophet Nahum described the Median armies advancing to the city that had once ruled the Near East.
@ancientpatrician they called sulaimanya kurdistan's cultural capital recently,, but most of economical projects and historical places are in arbil ( hawler) i recommend u arbil if u wanna visit there.
@ancientpatrician right now Arbil is the capital of kurdistan region,most of construction and economic projects are there so there is no doubt Arbil will be the capital of kurdish state in the future.
"Under this system, Christians and Jews were considered religious minorities/second-class citizens; they were subjected to elevated taxation, but in return they were granted autonomy within their own religious communities and were exempted from military service."
^ armenian were NEVER exempt from paying extra tax. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR "FACTS"?
@nuneh LOL everyone knows this including most Armenians, you weren't called the "loyal people" for no reason (another reason was the fact that they back stabbed the Byzantines for us). No military service and no extra tax for Armenian christians (I did not mean full exemption)
Different laws where applied to Armenians then to Greeks, and other Orthodox, Catholic etc Christians. and Jews.
@3choBlaster "No military service and no extra tax for Armenian christians (I did not mean full exemption)"
^ and i didn't ever doubt that each nonmuslim group was treated differently. my point was that nonmuslims were discriminated against... and IT STILL STANDS. nonmuslims, INCLUDING ARMENIANs, were taxed merely for their religion.
@nuneh Like I said Armenians WHERE excluded from religious tax, not to fucking mention that EVERY empire did this to it's non state religion minorities and FAR WORSE. The Ottomans have been used as an example for tolerance especially in those times. How would that get worse when we ABOLISH things like Cizya. How is it that most of these "second class"citizens had more wealth than the Muslim population? Was that discrimination too?
@3choBlaster "It is important to note that in the Ottoman Empire the "Jizya" was abolished in 1855. It was replaced with a new tax. "
^ the tax imposed on christians (including armenians) did not just disappear suddenly they were treated equally. it was replaced by a new tax... and a few years later, HAMIDIAN MASSACRE occurred.
@nuneh BTW the laws where dictated by the Churches, Synagogues and Imams .. everyone got trailed, taxed, etc according tot their own religion. This was a part of the "Tolerance" the Ottomans showed .. in Other states/Empires/Kingdoms all religions but the state religion where persecuted and discriminated against etc.
If anything the laws on Muslims in the Ottoman empire where MUCH harsher than the for the Christians for the same crimes.
@3choBlaster "in Other states/Empires/Kingdoms all religions but the state religion where persecuted and discriminated against etc."
^ its good that you know that. now consider WHY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE EMPIRES HAS FALLEN! clearly, the people that are discriminated against will eventually push for equality. turkey thought that merely killing these christians would solve the their "issue"... and clearly they failed and the ottoman empire failed.
argentina, belgium, canada, chile, cyprus, france, germany, greece, italy, lithuania, lebanon, netherlands, poland, russia, sweeden, slovakia, switzerland, uruguay, venzuela, etc..... ALL KNOW OF THE CRIMES TURKEY HAS COMMITTED AGAINST MANKIND DURING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE.
turkey & azerbaijan can deny it all they want. no one is stupid and they clearly evaluate the source of information
@nuneh You realize the fact that there are over a hundred countries in the world right?
Also you realize the fact that those "recognition" decisions where made by politicians not by Historians ... you're a total imbecile .. girl don't ever get pregnant, humanity needs to evolve .. no need for half brain dead children walking the earth
@3choBlaster yes, the decisions to recognize the armenian genocide were made by politicians... these politicians were popularly elected.... and the people clearly did not find a representation problem because their policies still stand.
"You realize the fact that there are over a hundred countries in the world right?"
^ haha I'm sorry. i thought you would be fine with me leaving countries like Somalia & Myanmar.
@nuneh Of course .. because people from the west all study or concern them selves with history and they all follow politics like hawks follow their prey .. of course .. It's SO live changing for them that such a thing is accepted by their politicians so they start to mass strike
What the HELL do you expect? Seriously ..
They won't give a shit because it does not CONCERN them, it's like how most "western" people don't give a shit about your genocide stories
@3choBlaster "What the HELL do you expect? Seriously .."
^ what i expect is that one day all turks will follow brave turks like orhan pamuk and accept the facts. seriously, nearly all modern countries have formally recognized the armenian genocide as second only to the holocaust, despite turkish bribe offers to do the contrary. it is the right thing to do.
@nuneh The dutch even have a proverb "Rather Turk than Papal" meaning that they would rather be under Turkish rule that the Papal states because many of them where protestant and the Catholic church persecuted them. ("Liever Turks dan Paaps")
Hahaha it's like saying one day I hope all Jews become Nazi's HAHA dream on .. you're a fucking retard and it shows .. you force me to curse .. use some FUCKING logic
@3choBlaster "it's like saying one day I hope all Jews become Nazi's HAHA dream on .. you're a fucking retard and it shows .. you force me to curse .. use some FUCKING logic"
^ what in the world are you talking about you illogical fool. instead of making pointless, senseless comparisons... respond to my comments.
@nuneh It's a comparison to show you HOW impossible your request for the Turks to join Orhan Pamuk exactly is. Again your tiny brain fails to understand
What kind of fucking fool are you? Does it say Ottoman empire ANYWHERE on the map? This is what I mean by you're the DUMBEST slut I've ever met. Turkey was established in 1923. Not before 1915 you fucking retard, first you blame the Ottomans now Turkey?
The tax law wasn't replaced by another tax other than an equal one you dumb whore
@3choBlaster "It's a comparison to show you HOW impossible your request for the Turks to join Orhan Pamuk exactly is. Again your tiny brain fails to understand"
^^ no, it is once again your brain that has failed.
every source i provide, you say "they're kurds... they hate us... " blah blah blah... "they're bias".... etc.
SO ANSWER THE QUESTION I ASKED YOU:
what incentive does TURKISH orhan pamuk have for admitting and trying to educate others about the armenian genocide?
@3choBlaster "What kind of fucking fool are you? Does it say Ottoman empire ANYWHERE on the map? This is what I mean by you're the DUMBEST slut I've ever met. Turkey was established in 1923. Not before 1915 you fucking retard, first you blame the Ottomans now Turkey?"
^^ i blame ottoman muslims (the majority of which were turks) for conducting the armenian genocide and modern day turkey for lying about the armenian genocide.
Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness—for the present only in the East—with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (Lebensraum) which we need. Who, after all, speaks to-day of the annihilation of the Armenians?"
I have issued the command—and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad—that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy.
Our strength consists in our speed and in our brutality. Genghis Khan led millions of women and children to slaughter—with premeditation and a happy heart. History sees in him solely the founder of a state. It’s a matter of indifference to me what a weak western European civilization will say about me.
who doesn't know that during a genocide, the victim side is also going to fight back the best of their ability. copy & pasting quotes proves nothing.
you asked for LEGIT documents and i directed you to national archives, yet you still won't accept facts.
since you love quotes... i'll include one from HITLER, one who commends turkey for its success with getting away with the armenian genocide. you should be proud to have such an endorsement.
@nuneh You fucking retard, how is "the fact that you can't talk with Armenians in a civil way" something you can measure? How fucking STUPID are you? Do you even read what you write? Or is it all just copy and paste?
Read the Russian and British archives and you'll find that there are similar stories about Armenians as well, like I will show you now.
Ho btw ,, seriously your the dumbest shit I ever met .. yes I find it WEIRD that I need to learn you English but apparently I have to do it.
@nuneh " All Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation"
Hamparsum Boyaciyan, nicknamed "Murad," a former Ottoman parliamentarian who led Armenian guerilla forces, ravaging Turkish villages behind the lines, 1914. Cited from Mikael Varandean, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun.
@nuneh "I killed Muslims by every means possible. Yet it is sometimes a pity to waste bullets for this. The best way is to gather all of these dogs and throw them into wells and then fill the wells with big and heavy stones. as I did. I gathered all of the women, men and children, threw big stones down on top of them. They must never live on this earth."
A. Lalayan, Revolutsionniy Vostok (Revolutionary East) No: 2-3, Moscow, 1936.
@nuneh "We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars (Turks), and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered." " " " and when the villages became untenable and the inhabitants fled from them into the fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work."
Ohanus Appressian, describing incidents in 1919; Memoirs of an Armenian officer, Men are Like That, 1926.
@nuneh "The Armenians did exterminate the entire Muslim population of Russian Armenia as Muslims were considered inferior to the Armenians by the prominent leaders of the Dashnaks."
Mikael Kaprilian, Armenian revolutionary leader, in Yerevan, 1919.
@nuneh "Since all the able Moslem men were in the army, it was easy for the Armenians to begin a horrible slaughter of the defenseless Moslem inhabitants in the area. They ... simply cleaned out the Moslem inhabitants in those areas. They performed gruesome deeds, of which I, as an eye witness honestly say that they were much worse than what Turks have been accused of as an Armenian atrocity."
General Bronsart von Schellendorf, Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, July 24, 1921
@3choBlaster also, why are you sending quotes that occurred YEARS AFTER THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE.
what you're questioning is whether the turks committed the armenian genocide... NOT WHETHER THE DASHNAK ARMENIAN GROUP RETALIATED FOR TURKISH BARBARISM in the years following.
if you're trying to disprove the OVERWHELMING PROOF that the armenian genocide took place... i suggest citing quotes from that time, clever one.
@nuneh General Bronshart was an EYE witness of the events of 1915 you idiot, READ and RESEARCH before you comment. I've show Armenian cruelty in general not just what they did with Ottoman Turks and Kurds.
Fucking retard .. Also YOU FUCKING IMBECILE you realize that the Hitler quote about Armenians is FAKE right? It has been proven FAKE, NO legitimate source at ALL.
@nuneh Bronsart von Schellendorf had no beef with Armenians nor a reason to lie. The war was over, Turkey and Germany where no longer allies they had LOST. He had no reason to tell the story in a way to please the Turks or Turkey.
Taner Akcam is a PKK supporter (terrorist group, US, UN, NATO, EU etc) an extreme leftists who has been anti Turkey since the 70's. His reasons are personal, you can't say the same for Bronsart von Schellendorf who is an EYE witness.
@nuneh "The Dashnaks and Hunchaks have terrorized their own countrymen, they have stirred up the Muslim people with their thefts and insanities, and have paralyzed all efforts made to carry out reforms; all the events that have taken place in Anatolia are the responsibility of the crimes committed by the Armenian revolutionary committees."
Williams, The British vice-consul, writing from Van. (March 4, 1896, British Blue Book, Nr. 8 1896, p.108.)
@nuneh 'I do not deny the existence and the active propagandism of Armenian revolutionarists. I do not even deny that, to some extent, the religious war has been stimulated by Armenian political agitators.''
Antranig Azhderian, "The Turk and the Land of Haig, or Turkey and Armenia - Desciptive, Historical, and Picturesque," The Mershong Company, New York, 1898, p. 364.
"'Do you believe that any massacres would have taken place if no Armenian revolutionaries had come into the country and incited the Armenian population to rebellion?' I asked Mr. Graves [The British consul]. 'Certainly not,' he replied. 'I do not believe that a single Armenian would have been killed.'"
Sydney Whitman, "Turkish Memories," London, 1914, p. 74
@nuneh Cizya was abolished in 1855, you don't revolt for 550 years and when the tax is abolished you revolt?
Seriously like i said RESEARCH before you talk, Armenians where exempted from Cizya in the first place just like the exempted from the Janissary corps. (who also was abolished in the 18th cent). And the Cizya made no difference it would have been a 1/2 dollars in modern times, Only in Egypt under non Turkish rule (shia Islam, we are Sunni) Christians, Jews etc. got heavy taxes
@nuneh Armenians revolted because they are backstabber's, PERIOD. You did the same to the Romans, Persians, Byzantines, Selcuks, Ottomans and last but not least the USSR.
The English and the Russian wanted the Ottoman empire gone, the Russians gave you weapons etc to revolt so they had a reason to intervene (invade). The English just wanted Turkey gone, they supported you like they supported the Greeks after you (who invaded much of Turkey only to be kicked out again)
@3choBlaster the genocide was a result of failed "turkification"....
christians kept their identity, as opposed to converting and becoming turkified, and paranoid turkey killed innocent women, children, etc. so they dont fight against the CLEAR DISCRIMINATION or retaliate for the hamidian massacres, adana atrocity WHICH SPANNED FOR YEARS!
@nuneh BTW, Being a Turkish national doesn't make you a Turk. There are many pro-PKK kurds who say yes we recognize your genocide ..But they don't accept killing Armenians them selves, they just use the bad publicity towards Turkey for their own goals
Akcam is one of those idiots, if you'd tell him that Turkey killed all the smurfs in the early 60's he'd write a book about it.
@3choBlaster so apparently anyone and everyone including kurds & taner akcam are liars. anyone that speaks the truth that hurts turkey's name is lying.
is orham pamuk also a lying kurd, and no longer a turk, just because he speaks the truth about the armenian genocide as well?
@nuneh lol fucking retard, don't change my words .. learn to fucking read instead.
Orhan is not a Kurd as far as I know .. he is leftist, but not an extremist like Taner. Most Turkey in Turkey will tell you to fuck off if you ask them about the Armenian question, only PKK supporters will be sympathetic.
Haha failed Turkification .. seriously how fucking retarded are you? We killed you in revenge for your massacres and revolts. Real Turkish nationalism started after M.K Ataturk.
@3choBlaster CAN YOU NOT SEE THE CLEAR QUESTION MARK AT THE END OF THE SENTENCE?
"Is orham pamuk also a lying kurd, and no longer a turk, just because he speaks the truth about the armenian genocide as well?"
that is what i asked you... so why does Orhan Pamuk admit the armenian genocide and try to teach other turks? what does he have to gain from it as a Turk of Turkey?
@td84 the buildings wear even not finished they wear sold out.., they are building thousands more of this buildings.., in erbil are only rich people most of them have more than two houses
we always see jealous racist bastards barking on any clip that shows Kurdish progress, Kurdistan is a heaven in the bloody middle east the land of dictators and oppressors, and any decent human being acknowledges that. Kurdistan is forever.
Turdish progress? what progress you inbred invalid? It's our tax money and our companies that are building your houses and streets, and it's our army which is protecting your retarded asses. We created yet another group depending on our money and our technology. There is a chance for a snowball in hell before Turds can achieve anything of substance in their miserable life without depending on others to do it for them
@shomzabe Oh BTW you are not worthy of mentioning the brave USARMY whom your arab uncle tries to cowardly blow up you everyday you camel jockey. Kurdistan is ready to quench the Naboco line for 100 years google it bitch. Plus there aren't any projects in Kurdistan that are funded by the US government not even USAID. so shut ur mouth and stop embarrassing ur sorry self with your bullshit again.
Stinky Turd: to sensationalize and commercialize violence is typical of stinky turd asshole like you. Violence is abhorrent no matter who's the violent and who's the victim. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for romanticizing violence. but why would a turd be ashamed since turds have no sense of shame throughout your miserable life.The blood is on your hand for killing Armenians and Iraqis by the 10's of 1000's. You have some guts Turd...
Kurdistan? You mean Turdistan moron... you see it rhymes too. Kurdistan never existed and never will retard. It was the U.S and U.K gov. that insinuated to you that you Turds have sovereignty over portions of N. Iraq, but Turds never got the joke. Typical of those with fragile genes,Turds have Malikholia. There is a great chance for a snowball in hell before Turdistan becomes a reality.
@shomzabe LMFAO now you act like ur American u piece of garbage? Let me tell u, there have not been more than 60 soldiers (USARMY) in Kurdistan and their presence is to lead logistics, so the secure and peacefull Kurdistan doesn't need American presence, second Kurdistan is not on the US department of states list of the countries in middle east like Turkey,jordan,Egypt,Yemen....e tc. who get Billions annualy from American tax payers. rather America is benefiting from the economic and security.
@HolyFireGod lol .. the soul reason you call call North Iraq, Kurdistan is because the US is there. It's a simply lie that there are only 60 American soldiers in North Iraq ahaha omg, that's just funny. Barrack said they'd be gone in 15 months (I don't believe that) but if it is true .. I can 100% assure you what you call Kurdistan will be northern Iraq within 18 months or a civil war will break out .. and the Kurds will lose to the majority. Turkey actually never get's US money, but they OW us
@HolyFireGod America owes Turkey 10 milliard US dollars for the 1st Gulf war alone .. America pays of some middle eastern countries to control they and keep them as friends, but most of the money goes to Israel. Also there is no Kurdistan on the list because there is no "state" called Kurdistan. It's a region of Iraq and it's listed as Iraq. If the Iraqi Arabs, Turkmens etc. want the autonomous region gone .. Iran, Turkey will help .. what will the Peshmerge do against real armies? Tanks etc?
@HolyFireGod Also don't start to insult, try to answer me in a civil way, because I'm not trying to hate or make fun of you. I'm giving you the facts, US doesn't want Turkey coming into Iraq fearing for their owns soldiers .. if they are gone Turkey will frequently cross the border to attack PKK (Peshmerge helps Turkey). Peshmerge has is no real army, no satellites, no tanks, planes, ships etc... what will it do against Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria ?
hey everyone, if i were as uneducated & as stubborn as HolyFireGod, i would judge all kurds based on the nonsense he entertained us with, buuuuut, fortunately my level of sophistication is lightyears ahead of this loser. PEACE & JUSTICE TO ALL ETHNIC GROUPS!
@nuneh you are a racist individual with a level of sophistication of a broccoli, you are in no position to comment on any clip that shows Kurdish progress, which racist jealous individuals like yourself can't wait to spay their BS. Kurds are the most tolerate people in the middle east and our history is a proof. so you take your false claims and aim them at the real butchers of your race. stop embarrassing yourself.
@HolyFireGod wow.the level of ur lack of intelligence has reached a new low...yet again.1st of all,4calling ME a racist,while u chose2ignore unanimously accepted history..well except by a couple of ignorant&stubborn ppl of the ethnicity it is regarding.2nd,ill just quote u:"take your false claims&aim them@the real butchers of ur race..."the real butchers u speak of&my great grandparents were eye witnesses,so y dont u take ur false beliefs&shut up becuz ur just fooling &embarassing urself
Come on friend, your statement to this moron presupposed that he had initial intelligence. You're giving him/it a lot of credit but everything this Turd said showed no brain, let alone intelligence. He's an hallucinating ostrich with filthy mouth.
@shomzabe hahaha true! i try to treat even "its" like human beings hoping that it'll in a sense force them to uphold some human morals, but time and time again, HolyFireGod proved himself/itself to be nothing short of a hallucinating ostrich with a filthy mouth. :]
@HolyFireGod im not even going to allow u 2think u represent all kurds.many kurds have accepted&apologized4their involvement in the armenian genocide.ur just an ignorant,smelly"turd"as shomzabe said earlier :).i congratulate all kurds who have evolved w/the rest of the world&are no longer classifiable as neanderthals(like u).if u expect me2forget what ur ancestors have done,NEVER,neanderthal.forgiveness is a possibility,but ur a coward4only wanting congratulations,but ignorance of the past.
@drnx you turks,arabs and persians stole Kurdish lands with the collaboration of the same powers that are redrawing the map which includes the leftovers of the ottoman empire of the Apes which did nothing but push back the cradle of civilization 600 years. An incompetent nation you are you can't say "Republic of turkey" in turkish. you stole Kurdish arts and literature 85% of the artists in turkey are Kurdish. not only from the Kurds but from everyone else lived in anatolia.
@HolyFireGod please educate yourself before you speak with such a tone. after kurds apoligized for their mistakes, armenians and kurds now work together towards justice. just search "kurd armenia protest" and you will see for yourself if you just open your eyes.
it's sad and ironic how during the ottoman empire, the turks armed the kurds and allowed them to stay in the empire as long as they agreed to attack & massacre the armenians. now, kurds have are facing the same evil they were once helping. note to all nations: helping a nation that is doing evil just because it benefits you is never good. it is just selfish. it will bite you in the behind in the future... just look at the kurds today.
@nuneh Keep your bullshit for yourself, in reality the Kurds protected the Armenians, Syriacs and assyrians. whom were a minority in Kurdish lands. It was the collaboration of some of those groups with the enemy of the state which led to their genocide. and it happened again when some syriacs served saddam, the arabs nearly brought them extinction recently but they can't talk about it! I wonder why? so shut your mouth it's full of shit.
@HolyFireGod the kurds protected the armenians? what drug is making you hallucinate such plots? and "kurdish lands"?after the collapse of the ottoman empire, and after the kurds helped the turks massacre the christians (including armenians) of the area, w. the treaty of lausanne,turkey gave NO LAND TO KURDS. so i have no idea what land you are speaking of. Kurds have accepted their mistake and Kurdish leaders have apologized publicly.kurds are now welcome in armenia and live in peace in armenia.
@nuneh My grandmother had a tattoo of a cross on her wrist, if you are true armenian you'd know what that means. she told me what happened as she was an eye witness and a survivor. My next door neighbors were armenians and are still close dear friends of mine. Kurds didn't make mistakes as a nation, it was the paid mercenaries who were involved. And why don't you mention the armenian plot with russia against turks which let to the genocide in the first place?
@HolyFireGod don't question my ethnicity or my intellect. i know exactly what that means and i hope you know that several armenians girls and women that were distributed among turks and kurds and later rescued by western efforts had been similarly marked all over the faces, breasts, etc. obviously the kurds didnt make mistakes as a nation (they HAD NO NATION). they were armed and allowed to stay in the empire w. the condition that they would help solve the "armenian question." NEXT:
@nuneh so why did thousands of armenians took shelter among Kurds if they were so oppressed by them? you are full of bullshit and trying to spread your outcry on the wrong ears. Kurds were a nation before you ever existed you moron. they have lived in their homeland for the longest, they never needed the occupiers approval rather they give them HELL till today.
@HolyFireGod WOW,do u have a reading comprehension problem?1)armenians were mainly oppressed by turks during"turkification"2)kurdish land was mainly in modern day turkey3)armenians did not take shelter among kurds.kurds took shelter among armenians in armenia&are welcome2keep doing so because mistakes have been admitted&apologized4.today,armenians&kurds actually work together2give turkey hell.
@nuneh the one with a comprehension problem is yourself! theres an "Armenian Quarter" in my home town and all of them were from the genocide era who have found it their home and are considered legitimate inhabitants of the land and armenians have their own PM in the KRG (Kurdistan Regional Government).
@HolyFireGod is that your pathetic argument? there are more armenians outside of armenia than there are within the armenian nation. i have relatives all over the world including iraq, lebanon, and greece. when you have something new or something even slightly interesting, try again.
@nuneh Kurds the Turds are the garbage of history. They've been a burden on every culture , and the welfare recipients of history everywhere they went. Worthless and shameless. God knows The Middle East tried its best to tame and civilize them but to no avail. They played a big in the Armenian genocide and just like the Turks, they deny it.
@HolyFireGod but even after they helped (w. the treaty of lausanne), turkey gave NO land to kurds. also, you claim armenians plotted with russians against turks. #1 armenians were subjected to extra taxes and other unjust rules in the ottoman empire and therefore had wanted independence from the empire for a long time, so of course some sought the help of russia (who was never on good terms w. turkey) NEXT:
@nuneh it was the great powers who drew the lines and deprived the Kurds because 1: Their resistance against the british. 2: the british navy had just switched to use gas instead of coal and Kurdistan was discovered to have huge oil deposits. 3: a revenge against the grand children of Saladin who kicked the crusaders ass.
@HolyFireGod you are clearly trying to make a point victimizing kurds when I AM WELL AWARE THAT THE KURDS HAVE BEEN SCREWED! so stop wasting my time if you aren't going to respond to what iiiiii am saying.
@HolyFireGod #2 so lets say some men fought w/russia against turkey,how does that justify burning a cathedral full of innocent women,children&men who were seeking refuge,etc.?#3my great grandparents managed2escape erzurum a week before the turks began deportations in that area,so dont think u are the only1who's been scarred.
@nuneh don't give me that, Kurds have endured and still are, much more atrocities. the fucking brits used 5 unconventional weapons including Chemical,Napalm and time delaying bombs against the Kurds just to contain them and break their land. and the atrocities continue till today. so stop crying.
@HolyFireGod you act like all i care is about is my ethnicity... you're literally fighting yourself trying to prove that. stop running around in circles and understand that i am neither selfish nor stupid. an injustice to anyone anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. if you really read what i've been writing, you would see that i am well aware of the crap the kurds have had to face. not having the liberty to run their own sovereign nation is more than enough, but they've faced so much more.
@HolyFireGod #4theres more than sufficient proof of the armenians' allegations from various sources.henry morgenthau(ambassador@thetime),taner akcam(turk who's been arrested4speaking the truth), &the leaders themselves who organized the genocide
@nuneh How Armenian of you to involve your so called genocide in EVERY thing .. It doesn't matter if the video is about Kurds, Arabs, Jews it always comes down to a pathetic attempt to write about 1915. It's a fact Kurds massacred Armenians but never because they where asked/forced by the Ottomans you moron. But because Armenian dashnak did the same to the Kurds. What do you think happened when the Armenians rebelled and took over Van they massacred thousands of Turks and Kurds.
@3choBlaster and how stupid of you to have that mindset. i'm not even going to say "how turkish of you", because a dumb shit like you could never represent a nation... even one at that caliber.
@nuneh The Ottoman government NEVER ordered any soldiers or civilians to attack the Armenian community/minority while the Armenians where openly barging about how they would take over Van etc before they did. How the Ottoman empire would fall etc. The Dashnak was mass massacring villages since 1870's the Ottomans where LATE kicking their asses out. Kurdish bands and tribes where the first to take revenge (because all Turkish men over 45 kilo's where at the front fighting)
@3choBlaster so the little kids and young women were participating in dashnak efforts? thats what you turks do to such people, right? forced marriages, death marches, rape, conversion to islam, hang... you are disgusting human being.
@nuneh You know as wel as I do, that the biggest reason is money and land .. especially "Van" And Mnt. Arrarat. there are still armenian politicians (not some hardcore nationalist group or some dude POLITICIANS) who wan't a "greater Armenia" you can denie this but you know it's true .. but do you really believe this will work?
haha Good luck with that .. we won't say sorry, we won't pay you a single lire, we won't give you a cm of land, accept or stay a poverty stricken shit hole ..
@3choBlaster you continously prove how much of a barbarian you are. the biggest reason is NOT all about money. this crime against humanity was directed at MY ancestors and the fact that turkey stilllll denies it ever happened bothers me. mark my words that once the U.S. is over this "war on terror" business, turkey will no longer feel so needed & powerful because of its military base. turkey WILL acknowledge the armenian genocide.
@nuneh LOL Not about MONEY? Are you fucking crazy? Armenia has asked time upon time for reconciliation for the families who "claim" to have lost family or belongings, not just a simple fucking apology .. are you truly ignorant enough to think Armenia didn't ask money/doesn't ask for Money?
Crime against Humanity my ass.. That's like saying Romans burned Jeruzelem 2000 years ago, SAY SORRY AND PAY, ITALY.
We don't deny anything ... it DID not happen, cry and moan all you want.
@nuneh Hahah you dumb shit .. what has the "war on terror got to do with the 1915 issue. What do you suppose "big, scary uncle USA" is going to do? Apologize or we'll invade? HAHAH, are you SERIOUS! HAHA.
We are NATO'S second largest Army and the worlds 15th/17th biggest economy (still rising, predicted to be in top 10 by 2015) America will ALWAYS need us .. and America will NEVER NEVER even think of forcing/pushing us for something like that, Armenians have nothing to give but votes LOL
@nuneh How do you mean not on Turkish soil? Why are you telling me that your grandparents aren't buried in Turkey .. how is that relevant?
It's ignorant to think most people even stand still by their great grand parents .. If they had lived they'd still be dead in your lifetime (no disrespect for the dead may they RIP, I'm just saying). My father died when I was 4, now that's something you'll be remembered of everyday.
to your great grand parents you just pay respects.
@3choBlaster my point talking about great grandparents is that they were buried in armenia, but this land was taken by turks and now theyre buried in turkey. for years, we couldnt even cross the border to pay our respects. listen, i know that more land = more money so countries go for it, but a systematic extermination of an ethnic group-- i dont understand and never will. and you claim an armenian state didnt exist prior to the ottoman empire: just look it up on simple wiki or anywhere else.
@nuneh Like I said "I'm NOT saying we (the Turks) are Angels" We killed Armenians .. ho yes we did ..men returned home to see their villages burned wifes, fathers and children killed .. they took revenge (Kurdish tribes killed most) But it was NEVER on government order.
Look at how BRAINWASHED you are... Armenians where called "the loyal subjects" in the empire, they did not Armenian take kids (for janisaries for example) you payed less tax then other Christians,
@3choBlaster you obviously don't know about the villayet system. if all was equal in the empire, armenians would not have wanted independence. don't compare the amount of tax armenians paid with the amount other christians paid. compare it with the amount of tax muslims paid... obviously not equal.
also, stop trying to revert the attention to the kurds' involvement. they've admitted their involvement in the armenian genocide, while turkey has not.
@nuneh Valiyet system? LOL, you mean something else, valiyets are like mayor-ships/towns hahaha
I know all Ottoman systems they are all far from what we today call equal but FAR better then what was in most countries at that time. Remember the fact that 20 years after 1915 6 million Jews where killed by Germans. Remember the FACT that Apartheid in in S-Africa started in 1948 and was ended in 19fucking90!
@nuneh The Ottoman system (millet system) was based on religion .. If a christian Ottoman stole he would be punished according to the bible and judged by priests. Muslims would be punished by Islamic law (believe me usually Muslims had it harder) and Jews by Jewish law. Armenians where a protected minority ,. only Christians who didn't have to give their sons up for Janissary corps and the Taxes for Armenians where lower then those of normal Muslim Ottomans.
Many Armenians where wealthy and had high positions in the Empire .. You obviously don't know shit about the period .. try reading a bit .. the Dutch even wore crescent moons and protested the pope that they'd rather live under Turks then the Pope (because of the unseen religious freedom the Ottomans gave at the time) "Liever Turks, dan Paaps"
Some people had it bad in the Empire .. but it CERTAINLY weren't the Armenians. You simply betrayed us, no matter how you put it.
@3choBlaster ur just rude and arrogant. i'm not educated? lol you're the one with censored education... that's the problem. armenians were quite educated and therefore wealthy prior to the ending years of the ottoman empire. if conditions weren't good, my ancestors would have moved out years earlier. but instead, they moved to greece (from erzurum) in 1914. the empire was collapsing (plus war time frustrations) and the turks didn't know who to blame, so the christians because the scapegoats.
@nuneh I studied in the Netherlands you moron, besides the Turkish education system is FAR superior to the Armenian counter part lol ARE you fucking kidding me .. you're whole fucking school career is designed to learn you 1915 propaganda ..
Again with the contradictions ... first we try to convert and rape and kill you for 600 years and then you're saying yeah if conditions weren't good they would have moved earlier (so they where good after all) fucking imbecile
@3choBlaster you studied in the Netherlands?? LOLLLLLL this is toooo good. weren't you just calling armenians gypsies for educating themselves in the west?
@nuneh No I called Armenians gypsies because there are MORE armenians OUTSIDE armenia then IN ... Got It? Their like gypsies because they are fucking everywhere but where they supposed to be. 5/6 million Turks (including Turkish Kurds) in Europe, 60 million Turks in Turkey (excluding Turkish Kurds) 12 million Armenians outside Armenia, 2 million in Armenian
HUGE DIFFERENCE
Unlike you I will do a mandatory military service after my study and after that I will stay in my own country.
@3choBlaster "HUGE DIFFERENCE" -- in pointing out this huge difference, you fail to consider the economic "HUGE DIFFERENCE" between armenia and turkey. you do criticize armenia for its current struggling economy, but fail to put 2 & 2 together, that perhaps that may be the reason so many armenians resort to other countries for economic support.
and don't give me statistics for the #of turks that remain in turkey. YOU LIVE(D) IN THE NETHERLANDS. according to your faulty logic, u are a gypsy LOLL
@nuneh I didn't come to the Netherlands because of economic reasons or even because a better educational system. I came because I wanted something else/adventure for a couple of years.
So if you admit Armenia's condition in every aspect is worse than Turkey's (and blame most of it on economy) then you shouldn't bark about Turkey and it's human rights etc. problems. Instead you should be focusing on Armenia and try to make your own country a better place
@3choBlaster judging from all of your comments, you cant possibly be one to speak of common logic. u continuously fail to understand that by leaving the NOW corrupt government of armenia, armenians are able to do more good for their motherland from outside countries (especially the western ones) than within armenia. but... you call these armenians gyspys for leaving the armenia (while ur doing the same thing in the netherlands). you are illogical, and ur seriously embarrassing yourself.
@nuneh wow, I can't believe the stupidity .. haven't I explained this 3/4 times already? Armenia=2 million Armenians and over 12 million outside Armenia (6x as much OUTSIDE of their homeland= GYPSIES)
Turkey, 60 million Turks (excluding Kurds) and 5/6 million Turks in Europe at most (INCLUDING Kurds)
I came for adventure and a new experience for 4 years, I'm not an immigrant you fucking idiot, can't your underdeveloped brain understand the difference?
@3choBlaster you went to the netherlands from turkey "for an adventure".... and armenians left armenia for economic security [AKA OUT OF NECESSITY]......
@nuneh LOL you idiot, exactly I went for adventure, with the intentions to go back to my own country. Hahah fucking idiot ,. yeah keep telling your self that it's ok that your ho so proud people don't feel like working trough the hardships of Armenia to make it a better place but rather go live somewhere else and then act as if they genuinely contribute to Armenia's development. Fucking pathetic .
You're fucking Gypsies .. it's like you have no homeland and you beg and moan all over the world
@3choBlaster you are ridiculous. if i have no homeland, what have you been barking about this whole time.
whaaaaat can possibly make you think living in the netherlands temporarily is so much superior to armenians living outside of armenia for economic reasons. if anything, the armenians' reason for leaving their homeland is much more respectable than yours.
you are a hypocrite... and a proud idiot. that's all.
@nuneh LOL I love how you pathetically try to find excuses for being a no good fuck who can't even try and better it's own country .. face it you're GYPSIES. You're EVERYWHERE ..
read carefully now
the big difference is "I AM GOING BACK" armenians on the other had "STAY"
Improving Armenia trough America .. YEAH like America gives a shit about your shit hole of a country.
You gypsies will never return because Armenia will never improve lol NO ONE LEFT HAHA
@3choBlaster "the big difference is "I AM GOING BACK" armenians on the other had "STAY"
Improving Armenia trough America" and then you later say "You gypsies will never return because Armenia will never improve."
so ur dumbass understands that armenians who live outside of armenia are only there for economic reasons, yet you still think that you living in the netherlands is superior (and ur somehow not a gypsy) while armenians are. LOLLLL
you burn yourself in your own comments. thanks :P LOLL
@nuneh HAHAHAHA are you fucking serious you gypsy? How are you "improving" Armenian while living in America you FUCKING idiot, you don't pay tax etc. you do NOT contribute to the Armenian economy AT ALL. The only time Armenia benefits is when you go there for a few weeks and spend the money you made flipping burgers in the US.
Hahaha please get the fuck out of here, if you're not smart enough to understand those simple things you shouldn't even bother responding, you respond to just to bark.
@3choBlaster "you do NOT contribute to the Armenian economy AT ALL. "
^ oh goodness. a month has passed, and ur still the uneducated imbecile u were. a shame.
most positive changes in armenia have been through armenians' efforts from the diaspora. if u just did 5 minutes of research, instead of typing out nonsensical comments on youtube, u would probably save yourself some embarrassment.
@nuneh HAHA what positive changes name a few? Most of the country still has no running water or electricity. Your economy is still worse than most 3rd world countries, and democracy is still a myth in your country.
Stop lying to people, more importantly stop lying to your self
@3choBlaster "Most of the country still has no running water or electricity. Your economy is still worse than most 3rd world countries, and democracy is still a myth in your country"
^ honestly, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR INFORMATION?? you have no idea what you are talking about.
look up some of the work of the armenian national committee of america, you fool.
furthermore, does talking about other countries' economic situation make you sleep better at night?
@nuneh Hahah how sad ... you're saying that I have no idea about what I'm talking about. But at the same time you don't deny the fact that most of Armenia doesn't have running water, electricity and the fact that Democracy is non existent. (You can't, since we both know it's simply the truth .. )
The only thing the diaspora does is holding Armenia BACK, your only concern is 1915, you forget that your people are starving. Does that make you sleep better at night?
@nuneh I know what ANCA is a lobby group that mostly concerns it self with 1915 and making America accepting their side of the story, their second concern is Karabagh, and blocking Azerbaijan.
HAHA yes BIG contributions THOUSANDS of kids will eat from that and go to school. People will have running water, electricity, Internet. Really I'm Impressed! hahaha are you even fucking serious right now .. ?
@nuneh It has been PROVEN, you can't discuss stuff with Armenians in a civil way.. you need to insult them and show them their place for them to understand ...
A shame that is has to be like this .. You keep accusing me of racism/hatred/barbarism while you use a totally irrelevant race as an insult (mongols) and your blinded by hate. You can't even accept the smallest negativity about Armenia but you're desperately trying to convince Turks that they tried to ethnically cleanse you.
I am working for Mitsubishi and have been in that "dusthole" before. Japanese companies never trust those sandpeople. because they never pay their debts and cry for more. this is also why Japanese goverment is kicking kurdish people out of Nippon. so, in my opinion, you may never catch dubai. Also a wrong decision will let the angry arabic and turksish to get your asses (it must be really sad for you guys, but as you know the truth hurts).
ひどい場所、
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GetTpOrDIE 4 days ago
This is true that turkish I meant mangolies watch every singal of vidoes about Kurdistan because their arse pain never go away til then Kurdistan & America for ever screw you mangolies !!!
Mangury24 1 month ago
No one likes a jew coz they got some kurds in em or kurds got jews in em. Who gives a shit u both worth less than a fuckin pig. Bail my nutsack son of a biiiyyyatch
donkeyzonparole 2 months ago
20 DISLIKES THAT MEAN 20 TURKS WERE HERE
ITS FUNNY HOW THEY ALWAYS GO ON TO KURDISH VIDEOS AN START TALKIN MADD SHIT AHAHAH GET LIFE WE DNT C KURDS GOIN ON UR VIDOES N TALKIN SHIT U FUCKIN GOOOFS
KURDISTAN RIGHT NOW CAN BUY THE HOLE FUCKIN TURKEYY LMOA WE BALLLIN NIGGA AHAHA
azkurdem 2 months ago 10
@azkurdem Turks have this pain in their ass that doesn't go away untill they went to a Kurdish video. This is generally known.
ikweetnietook 2 months ago
@azkurdem Thats why you idiots need american building your homes..Ya very strong nation. GREAT INFRASTRUCTURE HAHAH
ashyoukhana 4 weeks ago
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redar86 2 months ago
Hell Yahh, FREE KURDISTAN!!!
NoordRapFamilia 3 months ago
Very good keep building the region so that we can get it back when the americans are gone.
Ansar3raq 4 months ago 2
@Ansar3raq you never had it bitch
KurdSouth 3 months ago
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goran21715 5 months ago
I have a question for the Kurds; What city you find as your cultural center generally, of the entire nation? Arbil? (Hewler) Or some other place?
ancientpatrician 6 months ago
@ancientpatrician they called sulaimanya kurdistan's cultural capital recently,, but most of economical projects and historical places are in arbil ( hawler) i recommend u arbil if u wanna visit there.
hope20112011 6 months ago
@hope20112011 Oh, thank you! Another question, which city you would consider as a capital of a potential Kurdish state?
ancientpatrician 6 months ago
@ancientpatrician right now Arbil is the capital of kurdistan region,most of construction and economic projects are there so there is no doubt Arbil will be the capital of kurdish state in the future.
hope20112011 6 months ago
@hope20112011 Thank you very much! :D
ancientpatrician 6 months ago
@ancientpatrician Arbil :)
linakurdish 3 months ago
@linakurdish Thanks!
ancientpatrician 2 months ago
"Under this system, Christians and Jews were considered religious minorities/second-class citizens; they were subjected to elevated taxation, but in return they were granted autonomy within their own religious communities and were exempted from military service."
^ armenian were NEVER exempt from paying extra tax. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR "FACTS"?
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh LOL everyone knows this including most Armenians, you weren't called the "loyal people" for no reason (another reason was the fact that they back stabbed the Byzantines for us). No military service and no extra tax for Armenian christians (I did not mean full exemption)
Different laws where applied to Armenians then to Greeks, and other Orthodox, Catholic etc Christians. and Jews.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster "No military service and no extra tax for Armenian christians (I did not mean full exemption)"
^ and i didn't ever doubt that each nonmuslim group was treated differently. my point was that nonmuslims were discriminated against... and IT STILL STANDS. nonmuslims, INCLUDING ARMENIANs, were taxed merely for their religion.
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh Like I said Armenians WHERE excluded from religious tax, not to fucking mention that EVERY empire did this to it's non state religion minorities and FAR WORSE. The Ottomans have been used as an example for tolerance especially in those times. How would that get worse when we ABOLISH things like Cizya. How is it that most of these "second class"citizens had more wealth than the Muslim population? Was that discrimination too?
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster "It is important to note that in the Ottoman Empire the "Jizya" was abolished in 1855. It was replaced with a new tax. "
^ the tax imposed on christians (including armenians) did not just disappear suddenly they were treated equally. it was replaced by a new tax... and a few years later, HAMIDIAN MASSACRE occurred.
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh BTW the laws where dictated by the Churches, Synagogues and Imams .. everyone got trailed, taxed, etc according tot their own religion. This was a part of the "Tolerance" the Ottomans showed .. in Other states/Empires/Kingdoms all religions but the state religion where persecuted and discriminated against etc.
If anything the laws on Muslims in the Ottoman empire where MUCH harsher than the for the Christians for the same crimes.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster "in Other states/Empires/Kingdoms all religions but the state religion where persecuted and discriminated against etc."
^ its good that you know that. now consider WHY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE EMPIRES HAS FALLEN! clearly, the people that are discriminated against will eventually push for equality. turkey thought that merely killing these christians would solve the their "issue"... and clearly they failed and the ottoman empire failed.
nuneh 6 months ago
argentina, belgium, canada, chile, cyprus, france, germany, greece, italy, lithuania, lebanon, netherlands, poland, russia, sweeden, slovakia, switzerland, uruguay, venzuela, etc..... ALL KNOW OF THE CRIMES TURKEY HAS COMMITTED AGAINST MANKIND DURING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE.
turkey & azerbaijan can deny it all they want. no one is stupid and they clearly evaluate the source of information
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh You realize the fact that there are over a hundred countries in the world right?
Also you realize the fact that those "recognition" decisions where made by politicians not by Historians ... you're a total imbecile .. girl don't ever get pregnant, humanity needs to evolve .. no need for half brain dead children walking the earth
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster yes, the decisions to recognize the armenian genocide were made by politicians... these politicians were popularly elected.... and the people clearly did not find a representation problem because their policies still stand.
"You realize the fact that there are over a hundred countries in the world right?"
^ haha I'm sorry. i thought you would be fine with me leaving countries like Somalia & Myanmar.
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh Of course .. because people from the west all study or concern them selves with history and they all follow politics like hawks follow their prey .. of course .. It's SO live changing for them that such a thing is accepted by their politicians so they start to mass strike
What the HELL do you expect? Seriously ..
They won't give a shit because it does not CONCERN them, it's like how most "western" people don't give a shit about your genocide stories
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster "What the HELL do you expect? Seriously .."
^ what i expect is that one day all turks will follow brave turks like orhan pamuk and accept the facts. seriously, nearly all modern countries have formally recognized the armenian genocide as second only to the holocaust, despite turkish bribe offers to do the contrary. it is the right thing to do.
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh The dutch even have a proverb "Rather Turk than Papal" meaning that they would rather be under Turkish rule that the Papal states because many of them where protestant and the Catholic church persecuted them. ("Liever Turks dan Paaps")
Hahaha it's like saying one day I hope all Jews become Nazi's HAHA dream on .. you're a fucking retard and it shows .. you force me to curse .. use some FUCKING logic
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster "it's like saying one day I hope all Jews become Nazi's HAHA dream on .. you're a fucking retard and it shows .. you force me to curse .. use some FUCKING logic"
^ what in the world are you talking about you illogical fool. instead of making pointless, senseless comparisons... respond to my comments.
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh It's a comparison to show you HOW impossible your request for the Turks to join Orhan Pamuk exactly is. Again your tiny brain fails to understand
What kind of fucking fool are you? Does it say Ottoman empire ANYWHERE on the map? This is what I mean by you're the DUMBEST slut I've ever met. Turkey was established in 1923. Not before 1915 you fucking retard, first you blame the Ottomans now Turkey?
The tax law wasn't replaced by another tax other than an equal one you dumb whore
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster "It's a comparison to show you HOW impossible your request for the Turks to join Orhan Pamuk exactly is. Again your tiny brain fails to understand"
^^ no, it is once again your brain that has failed.
every source i provide, you say "they're kurds... they hate us... " blah blah blah... "they're bias".... etc.
SO ANSWER THE QUESTION I ASKED YOU:
what incentive does TURKISH orhan pamuk have for admitting and trying to educate others about the armenian genocide?
nuneh 6 months ago
@3choBlaster "What kind of fucking fool are you? Does it say Ottoman empire ANYWHERE on the map? This is what I mean by you're the DUMBEST slut I've ever met. Turkey was established in 1923. Not before 1915 you fucking retard, first you blame the Ottomans now Turkey?"
^^ i blame ottoman muslims (the majority of which were turks) for conducting the armenian genocide and modern day turkey for lying about the armenian genocide.
how do you need that to be clarified? wow.
nuneh 6 months ago
@3choBlaster
^^ your disgusting toilet of mouth prove nothing, but your stupidity and willingness to recite words & stories you have no knowledge about.
example 1: "slut, whore... etc."
... you don't even know me, yet you make these allegations.
example 2:
your lies about the armenian genocide
both just prove your ignorance. instead of reciting every vulgar word you know, address the questions you were asked. you have failed in every sense.
nuneh 6 months ago
COMMENT 3:
Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness—for the present only in the East—with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (Lebensraum) which we need. Who, after all, speaks to-day of the annihilation of the Armenians?"
--> FROM ADOLF HITLER
@ 3choBlaster
nuneh 6 months ago
COMMENT 2:
I have issued the command—and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad—that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy.
nuneh 6 months ago
COMMENT 1:
BY HITLER --->
Our strength consists in our speed and in our brutality. Genghis Khan led millions of women and children to slaughter—with premeditation and a happy heart. History sees in him solely the founder of a state. It’s a matter of indifference to me what a weak western European civilization will say about me.
nuneh 6 months ago
who doesn't know that during a genocide, the victim side is also going to fight back the best of their ability. copy & pasting quotes proves nothing.
you asked for LEGIT documents and i directed you to national archives, yet you still won't accept facts.
since you love quotes... i'll include one from HITLER, one who commends turkey for its success with getting away with the armenian genocide. you should be proud to have such an endorsement.
nuneh 6 months ago
"Turkey is a country not a person .. start taking your medication again."
^i'm aware that turkey is not a person. you've also shown that you arent either. mayyyybe, you'll qualify as an animal, but nothing more.
"It wasn't a statistic it's called a "personal experience""
^ look at you trying to teach me english haahaha. here's the simple wiki definition: is a single measure of some attribute of a sample.
i have used your displayed barbarism to measure turkish civility.
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh You fucking retard, how is "the fact that you can't talk with Armenians in a civil way" something you can measure? How fucking STUPID are you? Do you even read what you write? Or is it all just copy and paste?
Read the Russian and British archives and you'll find that there are similar stories about Armenians as well, like I will show you now.
Ho btw ,, seriously your the dumbest shit I ever met .. yes I find it WEIRD that I need to learn you English but apparently I have to do it.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@nuneh " All Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation"
Hamparsum Boyaciyan, nicknamed "Murad," a former Ottoman parliamentarian who led Armenian guerilla forces, ravaging Turkish villages behind the lines, 1914. Cited from Mikael Varandean, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@nuneh "I killed Muslims by every means possible. Yet it is sometimes a pity to waste bullets for this. The best way is to gather all of these dogs and throw them into wells and then fill the wells with big and heavy stones. as I did. I gathered all of the women, men and children, threw big stones down on top of them. They must never live on this earth."
A. Lalayan, Revolutsionniy Vostok (Revolutionary East) No: 2-3, Moscow, 1936.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@nuneh "I have it from absolute first-hand information that the
Armenians in the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Muslim) villages
that are utterly defenseless and bombarded these villages
with artillery and they murder the inhabitants, pillage the
village and often burn the village."
Admiral Mark Bristol, Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32: Bristol to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@nuneh "We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars (Turks), and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered." " " " and when the villages became untenable and the inhabitants fled from them into the fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work."
Ohanus Appressian, describing incidents in 1919; Memoirs of an Armenian officer, Men are Like That, 1926.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@nuneh "The Armenians did exterminate the entire Muslim population of Russian Armenia as Muslims were considered inferior to the Armenians by the prominent leaders of the Dashnaks."
Mikael Kaprilian, Armenian revolutionary leader, in Yerevan, 1919.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@nuneh "Since all the able Moslem men were in the army, it was easy for the Armenians to begin a horrible slaughter of the defenseless Moslem inhabitants in the area. They ... simply cleaned out the Moslem inhabitants in those areas. They performed gruesome deeds, of which I, as an eye witness honestly say that they were much worse than what Turks have been accused of as an Armenian atrocity."
General Bronsart von Schellendorf, Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, July 24, 1921
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster also, why are you sending quotes that occurred YEARS AFTER THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE.
what you're questioning is whether the turks committed the armenian genocide... NOT WHETHER THE DASHNAK ARMENIAN GROUP RETALIATED FOR TURKISH BARBARISM in the years following.
if you're trying to disprove the OVERWHELMING PROOF that the armenian genocide took place... i suggest citing quotes from that time, clever one.
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh General Bronshart was an EYE witness of the events of 1915 you idiot, READ and RESEARCH before you comment. I've show Armenian cruelty in general not just what they did with Ottoman Turks and Kurds.
Fucking retard .. Also YOU FUCKING IMBECILE you realize that the Hitler quote about Armenians is FAKE right? It has been proven FAKE, NO legitimate source at ALL.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster THAT'S CLASSIC!!! ahaha
you don't take what a turkish national taner akcam has to say because he's apparently extremely biased and hates turkey, buuuuuut
you quote Bronsart von Schellendorf..... the former Chief of the General Staff of the Turkish Field Troops to prove against the Armenian genocide
HAHAhHhHhHhHHAHAHAHAHHA
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh Bronsart von Schellendorf had no beef with Armenians nor a reason to lie. The war was over, Turkey and Germany where no longer allies they had LOST. He had no reason to tell the story in a way to please the Turks or Turkey.
Taner Akcam is a PKK supporter (terrorist group, US, UN, NATO, EU etc) an extreme leftists who has been anti Turkey since the 70's. His reasons are personal, you can't say the same for Bronsart von Schellendorf who is an EYE witness.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
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@3choBlaster "Bronsart von Schellendorf had no beef with Armenians nor a reason to lie. "
^ LOL. just like you have no beef with armenians and have no reason to lie.
Bronsart von Schellendorf was the former Chief of the General Staff of the Turkish Field Troop... are you serious right now?
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh From an Armenian mouth:
"True friendship among Armenians is a rare thing indeed..." — "...Hatred and envy: they seem to come naturally to us..."
Ara Baliozian, Armenian writer;
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@nuneh "The Dashnaks and Hunchaks have terrorized their own countrymen, they have stirred up the Muslim people with their thefts and insanities, and have paralyzed all efforts made to carry out reforms; all the events that have taken place in Anatolia are the responsibility of the crimes committed by the Armenian revolutionary committees."
Williams, The British vice-consul, writing from Van. (March 4, 1896, British Blue Book, Nr. 8 1896, p.108.)
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@nuneh 'I do not deny the existence and the active propagandism of Armenian revolutionarists. I do not even deny that, to some extent, the religious war has been stimulated by Armenian political agitators.''
Antranig Azhderian, "The Turk and the Land of Haig, or Turkey and Armenia - Desciptive, Historical, and Picturesque," The Mershong Company, New York, 1898, p. 364.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
"'Do you believe that any massacres would have taken place if no Armenian revolutionaries had come into the country and incited the Armenian population to rebellion?' I asked Mr. Graves [The British consul]. 'Certainly not,' he replied. 'I do not believe that a single Armenian would have been killed.'"
Sydney Whitman, "Turkish Memories," London, 1914, p. 74
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster people don't revolt when they are treated well. period.
you REFUSE to acknowledge facts and the series of events that took place.
why were christians taxed? tell me that.
look up "jizya"
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh Cizya was abolished in 1855, you don't revolt for 550 years and when the tax is abolished you revolt?
Seriously like i said RESEARCH before you talk, Armenians where exempted from Cizya in the first place just like the exempted from the Janissary corps. (who also was abolished in the 18th cent). And the Cizya made no difference it would have been a 1/2 dollars in modern times, Only in Egypt under non Turkish rule (shia Islam, we are Sunni) Christians, Jews etc. got heavy taxes
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@nuneh Armenians revolted because they are backstabber's, PERIOD. You did the same to the Romans, Persians, Byzantines, Selcuks, Ottomans and last but not least the USSR.
The English and the Russian wanted the Ottoman empire gone, the Russians gave you weapons etc to revolt so they had a reason to intervene (invade). The English just wanted Turkey gone, they supported you like they supported the Greeks after you (who invaded much of Turkey only to be kicked out again)
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster the genocide was a result of failed "turkification"....
christians kept their identity, as opposed to converting and becoming turkified, and paranoid turkey killed innocent women, children, etc. so they dont fight against the CLEAR DISCRIMINATION or retaliate for the hamidian massacres, adana atrocity WHICH SPANNED FOR YEARS!
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh BTW, Being a Turkish national doesn't make you a Turk. There are many pro-PKK kurds who say yes we recognize your genocide ..But they don't accept killing Armenians them selves, they just use the bad publicity towards Turkey for their own goals
Akcam is one of those idiots, if you'd tell him that Turkey killed all the smurfs in the early 60's he'd write a book about it.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster so apparently anyone and everyone including kurds & taner akcam are liars. anyone that speaks the truth that hurts turkey's name is lying.
is orham pamuk also a lying kurd, and no longer a turk, just because he speaks the truth about the armenian genocide as well?
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh lol fucking retard, don't change my words .. learn to fucking read instead.
Orhan is not a Kurd as far as I know .. he is leftist, but not an extremist like Taner. Most Turkey in Turkey will tell you to fuck off if you ask them about the Armenian question, only PKK supporters will be sympathetic.
Haha failed Turkification .. seriously how fucking retarded are you? We killed you in revenge for your massacres and revolts. Real Turkish nationalism started after M.K Ataturk.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
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@3choBlaster CAN YOU NOT SEE THE CLEAR QUESTION MARK AT THE END OF THE SENTENCE?
"Is orham pamuk also a lying kurd, and no longer a turk, just because he speaks the truth about the armenian genocide as well?"
that is what i asked you... so why does Orhan Pamuk admit the armenian genocide and try to teach other turks? what does he have to gain from it as a Turk of Turkey?
nuneh 6 months ago
Ein echter Krieger kämpft und quält wie die Mongolen oder ihre kurdischen Enkel.
Sogar der germanische Kriegsgott hatte Rabe und und Wolf als Begleiter.
Verfassungsschutzer 7 months ago
I dream one day turkey will pay back for all mammal behavior
yaaymath 8 months ago 10
@yaaymath idiot. go swing by some place else.
KurdishHypercurve 6 months ago
Wish a great Earthquake or a huge comet hitting Turkey, that would be the happiest day of my life
yaaymath 8 months ago 2
@yaaymath cause for celebration indeed!
KurdishHypercurve 6 months ago
Wish all the worst to Turkey from the bottom of my heart
yaaymath 8 months ago 16
Question, does anyone know how this area turned out with the real estate market taking a down turn?
td84 8 months ago
@td84 the buildings wear even not finished they wear sold out.., they are building thousands more of this buildings.., in erbil are only rich people most of them have more than two houses
Karo30102 8 months ago
@td84 that's pretty funny haha
nuneh 8 months ago
@td84 not affected as they aren't linked into the banking system. prices are still going up
KurdishHypercurve 6 months ago
we always see jealous racist bastards barking on any clip that shows Kurdish progress, Kurdistan is a heaven in the bloody middle east the land of dictators and oppressors, and any decent human being acknowledges that. Kurdistan is forever.
HolyFireGod 8 months ago
@HolyFireGod
Turdish progress? what progress you inbred invalid? It's our tax money and our companies that are building your houses and streets, and it's our army which is protecting your retarded asses. We created yet another group depending on our money and our technology. There is a chance for a snowball in hell before Turds can achieve anything of substance in their miserable life without depending on others to do it for them
shomzabe 8 months ago
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HolyFireGod 8 months ago
@shomzabe Oh BTW you are not worthy of mentioning the brave USARMY whom your arab uncle tries to cowardly blow up you everyday you camel jockey. Kurdistan is ready to quench the Naboco line for 100 years google it bitch. Plus there aren't any projects in Kurdistan that are funded by the US government not even USAID. so shut ur mouth and stop embarrassing ur sorry self with your bullshit again.
HolyFireGod 8 months ago
@HolyFireGod
Stinky Turd: to sensationalize and commercialize violence is typical of stinky turd asshole like you. Violence is abhorrent no matter who's the violent and who's the victim. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for romanticizing violence. but why would a turd be ashamed since turds have no sense of shame throughout your miserable life.The blood is on your hand for killing Armenians and Iraqis by the 10's of 1000's. You have some guts Turd...
shomzabe 8 months ago
@HolyFireGod
Kurdistan? You mean Turdistan moron... you see it rhymes too. Kurdistan never existed and never will retard. It was the U.S and U.K gov. that insinuated to you that you Turds have sovereignty over portions of N. Iraq, but Turds never got the joke. Typical of those with fragile genes,Turds have Malikholia. There is a great chance for a snowball in hell before Turdistan becomes a reality.
shomzabe 8 months ago 3
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@shomzabe LMFAO now you act like ur American u piece of garbage? Let me tell u, there have not been more than 60 soldiers (USARMY) in Kurdistan and their presence is to lead logistics, so the secure and peacefull Kurdistan doesn't need American presence, second Kurdistan is not on the US department of states list of the countries in middle east like Turkey,jordan,Egypt,Yemen....e tc. who get Billions annualy from American tax payers. rather America is benefiting from the economic and security.
HolyFireGod 8 months ago
@HolyFireGod lol .. the soul reason you call call North Iraq, Kurdistan is because the US is there. It's a simply lie that there are only 60 American soldiers in North Iraq ahaha omg, that's just funny. Barrack said they'd be gone in 15 months (I don't believe that) but if it is true .. I can 100% assure you what you call Kurdistan will be northern Iraq within 18 months or a civil war will break out .. and the Kurds will lose to the majority. Turkey actually never get's US money, but they OW us
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@HolyFireGod America owes Turkey 10 milliard US dollars for the 1st Gulf war alone .. America pays of some middle eastern countries to control they and keep them as friends, but most of the money goes to Israel. Also there is no Kurdistan on the list because there is no "state" called Kurdistan. It's a region of Iraq and it's listed as Iraq. If the Iraqi Arabs, Turkmens etc. want the autonomous region gone .. Iran, Turkey will help .. what will the Peshmerge do against real armies? Tanks etc?
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@HolyFireGod Also don't start to insult, try to answer me in a civil way, because I'm not trying to hate or make fun of you. I'm giving you the facts, US doesn't want Turkey coming into Iraq fearing for their owns soldiers .. if they are gone Turkey will frequently cross the border to attack PKK (Peshmerge helps Turkey). Peshmerge has is no real army, no satellites, no tanks, planes, ships etc... what will it do against Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria ?
Seriously .. you are only fooling your self
3choBlaster 8 months ago
hey everyone, if i were as uneducated & as stubborn as HolyFireGod, i would judge all kurds based on the nonsense he entertained us with, buuuuut, fortunately my level of sophistication is lightyears ahead of this loser. PEACE & JUSTICE TO ALL ETHNIC GROUPS!
nuneh 9 months ago 4
@nuneh you are a racist individual with a level of sophistication of a broccoli, you are in no position to comment on any clip that shows Kurdish progress, which racist jealous individuals like yourself can't wait to spay their BS. Kurds are the most tolerate people in the middle east and our history is a proof. so you take your false claims and aim them at the real butchers of your race. stop embarrassing yourself.
HolyFireGod 8 months ago
@HolyFireGod wow.the level of ur lack of intelligence has reached a new low...yet again.1st of all,4calling ME a racist,while u chose2ignore unanimously accepted history..well except by a couple of ignorant&stubborn ppl of the ethnicity it is regarding.2nd,ill just quote u:"take your false claims&aim them@the real butchers of ur race..."the real butchers u speak of&my great grandparents were eye witnesses,so y dont u take ur false beliefs&shut up becuz ur just fooling &embarassing urself
nuneh 8 months ago 3
@nuneh
Come on friend, your statement to this moron presupposed that he had initial intelligence. You're giving him/it a lot of credit but everything this Turd said showed no brain, let alone intelligence. He's an hallucinating ostrich with filthy mouth.
shomzabe 8 months ago 3
@shomzabe hahaha true! i try to treat even "its" like human beings hoping that it'll in a sense force them to uphold some human morals, but time and time again, HolyFireGod proved himself/itself to be nothing short of a hallucinating ostrich with a filthy mouth. :]
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh LOL what an incompetent idiot you are!
HolyFireGod 8 months ago
@HolyFireGod you are ignoring history because it is not favorable to your ethnic group.... AND YOU ARE CALLING ME INCOMPETENT? lolll
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh
The Stinky ostrich Turd is hallucinating again ;0)
shomzabe 8 months ago
@nuneh F U, if you wanted PEACE & JUSTICE TO ALL ETHNIC GROUPS you would have congratulated the Kurds. so keep your bullshit for yourself.
HolyFireGod 8 months ago
@HolyFireGod im not even going to allow u 2think u represent all kurds.many kurds have accepted&apologized4their involvement in the armenian genocide.ur just an ignorant,smelly"turd"as shomzabe said earlier :).i congratulate all kurds who have evolved w/the rest of the world&are no longer classifiable as neanderthals(like u).if u expect me2forget what ur ancestors have done,NEVER,neanderthal.forgiveness is a possibility,but ur a coward4only wanting congratulations,but ignorance of the past.
nuneh 8 months ago
@drnx you turks,arabs and persians stole Kurdish lands with the collaboration of the same powers that are redrawing the map which includes the leftovers of the ottoman empire of the Apes which did nothing but push back the cradle of civilization 600 years. An incompetent nation you are you can't say "Republic of turkey" in turkish. you stole Kurdish arts and literature 85% of the artists in turkey are Kurdish. not only from the Kurds but from everyone else lived in anatolia.
HolyFireGod 9 months ago
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nuneh 9 months ago
@HolyFireGod please educate yourself before you speak with such a tone. after kurds apoligized for their mistakes, armenians and kurds now work together towards justice. just search "kurd armenia protest" and you will see for yourself if you just open your eyes.
nuneh 9 months ago 6
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The long live Great Turkey !
TuranUlkucuGenc 9 months ago
it's sad and ironic how during the ottoman empire, the turks armed the kurds and allowed them to stay in the empire as long as they agreed to attack & massacre the armenians. now, kurds have are facing the same evil they were once helping. note to all nations: helping a nation that is doing evil just because it benefits you is never good. it is just selfish. it will bite you in the behind in the future... just look at the kurds today.
nuneh 9 months ago 38
@nuneh Keep your bullshit for yourself, in reality the Kurds protected the Armenians, Syriacs and assyrians. whom were a minority in Kurdish lands. It was the collaboration of some of those groups with the enemy of the state which led to their genocide. and it happened again when some syriacs served saddam, the arabs nearly brought them extinction recently but they can't talk about it! I wonder why? so shut your mouth it's full of shit.
HolyFireGod 9 months ago
@HolyFireGod the kurds protected the armenians? what drug is making you hallucinate such plots? and "kurdish lands"?after the collapse of the ottoman empire, and after the kurds helped the turks massacre the christians (including armenians) of the area, w. the treaty of lausanne,turkey gave NO LAND TO KURDS. so i have no idea what land you are speaking of. Kurds have accepted their mistake and Kurdish leaders have apologized publicly.kurds are now welcome in armenia and live in peace in armenia.
nuneh 9 months ago 5
@nuneh My grandmother had a tattoo of a cross on her wrist, if you are true armenian you'd know what that means. she told me what happened as she was an eye witness and a survivor. My next door neighbors were armenians and are still close dear friends of mine. Kurds didn't make mistakes as a nation, it was the paid mercenaries who were involved. And why don't you mention the armenian plot with russia against turks which let to the genocide in the first place?
HolyFireGod 9 months ago
@HolyFireGod don't question my ethnicity or my intellect. i know exactly what that means and i hope you know that several armenians girls and women that were distributed among turks and kurds and later rescued by western efforts had been similarly marked all over the faces, breasts, etc. obviously the kurds didnt make mistakes as a nation (they HAD NO NATION). they were armed and allowed to stay in the empire w. the condition that they would help solve the "armenian question." NEXT:
nuneh 9 months ago
@nuneh so why did thousands of armenians took shelter among Kurds if they were so oppressed by them? you are full of bullshit and trying to spread your outcry on the wrong ears. Kurds were a nation before you ever existed you moron. they have lived in their homeland for the longest, they never needed the occupiers approval rather they give them HELL till today.
HolyFireGod 9 months ago
@HolyFireGod WOW,do u have a reading comprehension problem?1)armenians were mainly oppressed by turks during"turkification"2)kurdish land was mainly in modern day turkey3)armenians did not take shelter among kurds.kurds took shelter among armenians in armenia&are welcome2keep doing so because mistakes have been admitted&apologized4.today,armenians&kurds actually work together2give turkey hell.
nuneh 9 months ago
@nuneh the one with a comprehension problem is yourself! theres an "Armenian Quarter" in my home town and all of them were from the genocide era who have found it their home and are considered legitimate inhabitants of the land and armenians have their own PM in the KRG (Kurdistan Regional Government).
HolyFireGod 9 months ago
@HolyFireGod is that your pathetic argument? there are more armenians outside of armenia than there are within the armenian nation. i have relatives all over the world including iraq, lebanon, and greece. when you have something new or something even slightly interesting, try again.
nuneh 9 months ago
@HolyFireGod so again,u arrogant shit,educate urself rather than boasting about ur military service.any dumbass can serve&ur living proof.
nuneh 9 months ago
@nuneh your brain consists of nothing but shit. as I told you, you are crying to the wrong ears. Armenia should be ashamed of you!
HolyFireGod 9 months ago
@HolyFireGod the world is ashamed of you.
nuneh 9 months ago
@nuneh Kurds the Turds are the garbage of history. They've been a burden on every culture , and the welfare recipients of history everywhere they went. Worthless and shameless. God knows The Middle East tried its best to tame and civilize them but to no avail. They played a big in the Armenian genocide and just like the Turks, they deny it.
shomzabe 9 months ago 5
@HolyFireGod but even after they helped (w. the treaty of lausanne), turkey gave NO land to kurds. also, you claim armenians plotted with russians against turks. #1 armenians were subjected to extra taxes and other unjust rules in the ottoman empire and therefore had wanted independence from the empire for a long time, so of course some sought the help of russia (who was never on good terms w. turkey) NEXT:
nuneh 9 months ago
@nuneh it was the great powers who drew the lines and deprived the Kurds because 1: Their resistance against the british. 2: the british navy had just switched to use gas instead of coal and Kurdistan was discovered to have huge oil deposits. 3: a revenge against the grand children of Saladin who kicked the crusaders ass.
HolyFireGod 9 months ago
@HolyFireGod you are clearly trying to make a point victimizing kurds when I AM WELL AWARE THAT THE KURDS HAVE BEEN SCREWED! so stop wasting my time if you aren't going to respond to what iiiiii am saying.
nuneh 9 months ago
@HolyFireGod #2 so lets say some men fought w/russia against turkey,how does that justify burning a cathedral full of innocent women,children&men who were seeking refuge,etc.?#3my great grandparents managed2escape erzurum a week before the turks began deportations in that area,so dont think u are the only1who's been scarred.
nuneh 9 months ago
@nuneh don't give me that, Kurds have endured and still are, much more atrocities. the fucking brits used 5 unconventional weapons including Chemical,Napalm and time delaying bombs against the Kurds just to contain them and break their land. and the atrocities continue till today. so stop crying.
HolyFireGod 9 months ago
@HolyFireGod you act like all i care is about is my ethnicity... you're literally fighting yourself trying to prove that. stop running around in circles and understand that i am neither selfish nor stupid. an injustice to anyone anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. if you really read what i've been writing, you would see that i am well aware of the crap the kurds have had to face. not having the liberty to run their own sovereign nation is more than enough, but they've faced so much more.
nuneh 9 months ago
@HolyFireGod #4theres more than sufficient proof of the armenians' allegations from various sources.henry morgenthau(ambassador@thetime),taner akcam(turk who's been arrested4speaking the truth), &the leaders themselves who organized the genocide
nuneh 9 months ago
@nuneh How Armenian of you to involve your so called genocide in EVERY thing .. It doesn't matter if the video is about Kurds, Arabs, Jews it always comes down to a pathetic attempt to write about 1915. It's a fact Kurds massacred Armenians but never because they where asked/forced by the Ottomans you moron. But because Armenian dashnak did the same to the Kurds. What do you think happened when the Armenians rebelled and took over Van they massacred thousands of Turks and Kurds.
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster and how stupid of you to have that mindset. i'm not even going to say "how turkish of you", because a dumb shit like you could never represent a nation... even one at that caliber.
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh The Ottoman government NEVER ordered any soldiers or civilians to attack the Armenian community/minority while the Armenians where openly barging about how they would take over Van etc before they did. How the Ottoman empire would fall etc. The Dashnak was mass massacring villages since 1870's the Ottomans where LATE kicking their asses out. Kurdish bands and tribes where the first to take revenge (because all Turkish men over 45 kilo's where at the front fighting)
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster so the little kids and young women were participating in dashnak efforts? thats what you turks do to such people, right? forced marriages, death marches, rape, conversion to islam, hang... you are disgusting human being.
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh You know as wel as I do, that the biggest reason is money and land .. especially "Van" And Mnt. Arrarat. there are still armenian politicians (not some hardcore nationalist group or some dude POLITICIANS) who wan't a "greater Armenia" you can denie this but you know it's true .. but do you really believe this will work?
haha Good luck with that .. we won't say sorry, we won't pay you a single lire, we won't give you a cm of land, accept or stay a poverty stricken shit hole ..
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster you continously prove how much of a barbarian you are. the biggest reason is NOT all about money. this crime against humanity was directed at MY ancestors and the fact that turkey stilllll denies it ever happened bothers me. mark my words that once the U.S. is over this "war on terror" business, turkey will no longer feel so needed & powerful because of its military base. turkey WILL acknowledge the armenian genocide.
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh LOL Not about MONEY? Are you fucking crazy? Armenia has asked time upon time for reconciliation for the families who "claim" to have lost family or belongings, not just a simple fucking apology .. are you truly ignorant enough to think Armenia didn't ask money/doesn't ask for Money?
Crime against Humanity my ass.. That's like saying Romans burned Jeruzelem 2000 years ago, SAY SORRY AND PAY, ITALY.
We don't deny anything ... it DID not happen, cry and moan all you want.
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@nuneh Hahah you dumb shit .. what has the "war on terror got to do with the 1915 issue. What do you suppose "big, scary uncle USA" is going to do? Apologize or we'll invade? HAHAH, are you SERIOUS! HAHA.
We are NATO'S second largest Army and the worlds 15th/17th biggest economy (still rising, predicted to be in top 10 by 2015) America will ALWAYS need us .. and America will NEVER NEVER even think of forcing/pushing us for something like that, Armenians have nothing to give but votes LOL
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster though i dont wish it upon you, if your great grandparents were victims of such a genocide, you would not have this mindset.
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh How do you mean not on Turkish soil? Why are you telling me that your grandparents aren't buried in Turkey .. how is that relevant?
It's ignorant to think most people even stand still by their great grand parents .. If they had lived they'd still be dead in your lifetime (no disrespect for the dead may they RIP, I'm just saying). My father died when I was 4, now that's something you'll be remembered of everyday.
to your great grand parents you just pay respects.
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster my point talking about great grandparents is that they were buried in armenia, but this land was taken by turks and now theyre buried in turkey. for years, we couldnt even cross the border to pay our respects. listen, i know that more land = more money so countries go for it, but a systematic extermination of an ethnic group-- i dont understand and never will. and you claim an armenian state didnt exist prior to the ottoman empire: just look it up on simple wiki or anywhere else.
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh Like I said "I'm NOT saying we (the Turks) are Angels" We killed Armenians .. ho yes we did ..men returned home to see their villages burned wifes, fathers and children killed .. they took revenge (Kurdish tribes killed most) But it was NEVER on government order.
Look at how BRAINWASHED you are... Armenians where called "the loyal subjects" in the empire, they did not Armenian take kids (for janisaries for example) you payed less tax then other Christians,
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster you obviously don't know about the villayet system. if all was equal in the empire, armenians would not have wanted independence. don't compare the amount of tax armenians paid with the amount other christians paid. compare it with the amount of tax muslims paid... obviously not equal.
also, stop trying to revert the attention to the kurds' involvement. they've admitted their involvement in the armenian genocide, while turkey has not.
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh Valiyet system? LOL, you mean something else, valiyets are like mayor-ships/towns hahaha
I know all Ottoman systems they are all far from what we today call equal but FAR better then what was in most countries at that time. Remember the fact that 20 years after 1915 6 million Jews where killed by Germans. Remember the FACT that Apartheid in in S-Africa started in 1948 and was ended in 19fucking90!
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@nuneh The Ottoman system (millet system) was based on religion .. If a christian Ottoman stole he would be punished according to the bible and judged by priests. Muslims would be punished by Islamic law (believe me usually Muslims had it harder) and Jews by Jewish law. Armenians where a protected minority ,. only Christians who didn't have to give their sons up for Janissary corps and the Taxes for Armenians where lower then those of normal Muslim Ottomans.
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3choBlaster 8 months ago
Many Armenians where wealthy and had high positions in the Empire .. You obviously don't know shit about the period .. try reading a bit .. the Dutch even wore crescent moons and protested the pope that they'd rather live under Turks then the Pope (because of the unseen religious freedom the Ottomans gave at the time) "Liever Turks, dan Paaps"
Some people had it bad in the Empire .. but it CERTAINLY weren't the Armenians. You simply betrayed us, no matter how you put it.
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster ur just rude and arrogant. i'm not educated? lol you're the one with censored education... that's the problem. armenians were quite educated and therefore wealthy prior to the ending years of the ottoman empire. if conditions weren't good, my ancestors would have moved out years earlier. but instead, they moved to greece (from erzurum) in 1914. the empire was collapsing (plus war time frustrations) and the turks didn't know who to blame, so the christians because the scapegoats.
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh I studied in the Netherlands you moron, besides the Turkish education system is FAR superior to the Armenian counter part lol ARE you fucking kidding me .. you're whole fucking school career is designed to learn you 1915 propaganda ..
Again with the contradictions ... first we try to convert and rape and kill you for 600 years and then you're saying yeah if conditions weren't good they would have moved earlier (so they where good after all) fucking imbecile
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster you studied in the Netherlands?? LOLLLLLL this is toooo good. weren't you just calling armenians gypsies for educating themselves in the west?
nuneh 8 months ago 12
@nuneh No I called Armenians gypsies because there are MORE armenians OUTSIDE armenia then IN ... Got It? Their like gypsies because they are fucking everywhere but where they supposed to be. 5/6 million Turks (including Turkish Kurds) in Europe, 60 million Turks in Turkey (excluding Turkish Kurds) 12 million Armenians outside Armenia, 2 million in Armenian
HUGE DIFFERENCE
Unlike you I will do a mandatory military service after my study and after that I will stay in my own country.
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster "HUGE DIFFERENCE" -- in pointing out this huge difference, you fail to consider the economic "HUGE DIFFERENCE" between armenia and turkey. you do criticize armenia for its current struggling economy, but fail to put 2 & 2 together, that perhaps that may be the reason so many armenians resort to other countries for economic support.
and don't give me statistics for the #of turks that remain in turkey. YOU LIVE(D) IN THE NETHERLANDS. according to your faulty logic, u are a gypsy LOLL
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh I didn't come to the Netherlands because of economic reasons or even because a better educational system. I came because I wanted something else/adventure for a couple of years.
So if you admit Armenia's condition in every aspect is worse than Turkey's (and blame most of it on economy) then you shouldn't bark about Turkey and it's human rights etc. problems. Instead you should be focusing on Armenia and try to make your own country a better place
Common logic,
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster judging from all of your comments, you cant possibly be one to speak of common logic. u continuously fail to understand that by leaving the NOW corrupt government of armenia, armenians are able to do more good for their motherland from outside countries (especially the western ones) than within armenia. but... you call these armenians gyspys for leaving the armenia (while ur doing the same thing in the netherlands). you are illogical, and ur seriously embarrassing yourself.
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh wow, I can't believe the stupidity .. haven't I explained this 3/4 times already? Armenia=2 million Armenians and over 12 million outside Armenia (6x as much OUTSIDE of their homeland= GYPSIES)
Turkey, 60 million Turks (excluding Kurds) and 5/6 million Turks in Europe at most (INCLUDING Kurds)
I came for adventure and a new experience for 4 years, I'm not an immigrant you fucking idiot, can't your underdeveloped brain understand the difference?
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster you went to the netherlands from turkey "for an adventure".... and armenians left armenia for economic security [AKA OUT OF NECESSITY]......
WHO SEEMS TO BE THE GYPSY?
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh LOL you idiot, exactly I went for adventure, with the intentions to go back to my own country. Hahah fucking idiot ,. yeah keep telling your self that it's ok that your ho so proud people don't feel like working trough the hardships of Armenia to make it a better place but rather go live somewhere else and then act as if they genuinely contribute to Armenia's development. Fucking pathetic .
You're fucking Gypsies .. it's like you have no homeland and you beg and moan all over the world
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster you are ridiculous. if i have no homeland, what have you been barking about this whole time.
whaaaaat can possibly make you think living in the netherlands temporarily is so much superior to armenians living outside of armenia for economic reasons. if anything, the armenians' reason for leaving their homeland is much more respectable than yours.
you are a hypocrite... and a proud idiot. that's all.
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh LOL I love how you pathetically try to find excuses for being a no good fuck who can't even try and better it's own country .. face it you're GYPSIES. You're EVERYWHERE ..
read carefully now
the big difference is "I AM GOING BACK" armenians on the other had "STAY"
Improving Armenia trough America .. YEAH like America gives a shit about your shit hole of a country.
You gypsies will never return because Armenia will never improve lol NO ONE LEFT HAHA
3choBlaster 8 months ago
@3choBlaster "the big difference is "I AM GOING BACK" armenians on the other had "STAY"
Improving Armenia trough America" and then you later say "You gypsies will never return because Armenia will never improve."
so ur dumbass understands that armenians who live outside of armenia are only there for economic reasons, yet you still think that you living in the netherlands is superior (and ur somehow not a gypsy) while armenians are. LOLLLL
you burn yourself in your own comments. thanks :P LOLL
nuneh 8 months ago
@nuneh His not kurdish mate, his a turk.
SeeN0More 7 months ago
@SeeN0More haha with this sort of mentality, i'm sure he is.
and it's clear that you don't want him associated with kurds :] i understand.
-peace from armenia.
nuneh 7 months ago
@nuneh HAHAHAHA are you fucking serious you gypsy? How are you "improving" Armenian while living in America you FUCKING idiot, you don't pay tax etc. you do NOT contribute to the Armenian economy AT ALL. The only time Armenia benefits is when you go there for a few weeks and spend the money you made flipping burgers in the US.
Hahaha please get the fuck out of here, if you're not smart enough to understand those simple things you shouldn't even bother responding, you respond to just to bark.
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster "you do NOT contribute to the Armenian economy AT ALL. "
^ oh goodness. a month has passed, and ur still the uneducated imbecile u were. a shame.
most positive changes in armenia have been through armenians' efforts from the diaspora. if u just did 5 minutes of research, instead of typing out nonsensical comments on youtube, u would probably save yourself some embarrassment.
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh HAHA what positive changes name a few? Most of the country still has no running water or electricity. Your economy is still worse than most 3rd world countries, and democracy is still a myth in your country.
Stop lying to people, more importantly stop lying to your self
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster "Most of the country still has no running water or electricity. Your economy is still worse than most 3rd world countries, and democracy is still a myth in your country"
^ honestly, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR INFORMATION?? you have no idea what you are talking about.
look up some of the work of the armenian national committee of america, you fool.
furthermore, does talking about other countries' economic situation make you sleep better at night?
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh Hahah how sad ... you're saying that I have no idea about what I'm talking about. But at the same time you don't deny the fact that most of Armenia doesn't have running water, electricity and the fact that Democracy is non existent. (You can't, since we both know it's simply the truth .. )
The only thing the diaspora does is holding Armenia BACK, your only concern is 1915, you forget that your people are starving. Does that make you sleep better at night?
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster u fool, i denied ur ridiculously false facts in that same comment. do u have issues reading or comprehending?perhaps both.
"ur only concern is 1915, you forget that your people are starving."
^ who are u to tell me what my "ONLY" concern is?
u asked 4 an example of diaspora help&i told you ANCA. now look up the organization before barking any further.
try 2 understand where u b.s. mentality is coming from, then try to figure out other people,but as for now, u have a long way 2 go
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh I know what ANCA is a lobby group that mostly concerns it self with 1915 and making America accepting their side of the story, their second concern is Karabagh, and blocking Azerbaijan.
HAHA yes BIG contributions THOUSANDS of kids will eat from that and go to school. People will have running water, electricity, Internet. Really I'm Impressed! hahaha are you even fucking serious right now .. ?
Think before you comment,
3choBlaster 6 months ago
@3choBlaster you asked for ONE example and i gave you ONE example of armenians outside of armenia contributing to armenian causes.
here's another, that might shut you up for a minute or two:
$120 million.... that's sure to feed at least a couple of people right?
that's the amount that we armenians living outside of armenia contribute to the Armenia Fund. We have an annual telethon to raise these funds.
do you have any other misconceptions about armenia i can correct?
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh It has been PROVEN, you can't discuss stuff with Armenians in a civil way.. you need to insult them and show them their place for them to understand ...
A shame that is has to be like this .. You keep accusing me of racism/hatred/barbarism while you use a totally irrelevant race as an insult (mongols) and your blinded by hate. You can't even accept the smallest negativity about Armenia but you're desperately trying to convince Turks that they tried to ethnically cleanse you.