Stephen Harper: Death Penalty and the Conservative Loophole

[mradam2]

Yeah, it's well known that majority opinion (vast majority opinion) is in favor of reinstating the death penalty. And for good reason. We just have to be careful how we follow it through. Pieces of garbage like Clifford Olsen and Paul Bernardo clearly deserve it. Why the hell wouldn't they? FUCK mental illness and people who can't rationalize. That's their problem, and their crimes are still their fault.

[lucy9359]

canadians who were polled actually the vast majority of them wanted to see the death penality reenstated so this video is senseless! If you could loose your life for raping children maby that would stop...for example I was a neighbour to Tori Stafford in Woodstock Ontario and I seen what happened to her what rights did she have??? or her family have....

[ultradumbass]

i also believe in extreme cases for life without parole to be given to anyone 26 or over, since by their mid 20's 99% of people should know that aggravating murder and serious harm is wrong. those who not only pre plan a murder but also are cruel and mutilate or willfully make the person suffer should get life without parole. if the person is an escapee, or had been paroled before for a similar crime or ordered his friends or assassins to do it after he got caught should get death.

[ultradumbass]

just as i don't generally support euthanising animals or aborting the unborn i don't generally support the death penalty unless the person is deemed too dangerous to live. i never look at sentencing as a way of compensation, justice or revenge. i look it more in the conditions of the crime, why the crime was committed and what type of person did it. those that may have mental illness and can't rationalise would then get slightly more lenient sentencing while the rest get tougher sentences.

[ultradumbass]

in my opinion in most cases murder should be only a matter of a small number of years. since most murders occur as 2nd degree, murder while in a heated argument or as juveniles. i don't support life without parole for juveniles however i don't support the idea of letting them go free at 21 either if the crime is serious enough since it won't really teach the juvenile anything. in most multiple homicide cases i believe the sentence should be 25 year consecutive terms or life with no parole.

[3Prelude]

Wow retarded.

[PhilipJFry72]

You don't really know your history, do you? Perhaps you should check out the liberals track record on Canadians facing death, torture, and harsh imprisonment in other parts of the world, like say Saudi Arabia...

[BxoxbxbxyxBxoxy]

This video is almost as dumb as Harper himself.

[jejeroy]

he ruin OUR COUNTRY ! when they talk about agenda you should what i mean

[shadowalliancex]

Conservatives always think their right all the time when it's the conservatives who start wars

[PhilipJFry72]

What? LOSER.

[archulucky]

We should re-establish the Death penalty in Canada !

[geez003]

harper only making this law because he knows

natives do most of the crime.even 14 year olds are gonna get killed if they do a violent crime in saskatoon. i think this guy is racist

[Ian7570]

If someone commits murder in a country that has the death penalty they should be executed. I don't see anything wrong with that position.

[oldsmobileman8]

Your confrontaional tone towards the viewers of the video is in contradiction with the Liberal policy of pacifism.

[oldsmobileman8]

The "supposed" relation between the Liberal Party and human rights is the greatest oxymoron in Canadian politics. The Liberal Party champions human rights for criminals while it promotes abortion rights. The Liberals believe that innocent unborn children should be exempt from this right. Children who have committed no crime and are in no way responsible for their conception or situation of their mothers.

[v668]

what about the victims of the crimanls? i think in general the liberals and left wing judges focus on the needs of the criminals, that is why they call it the criminal justice system

[CULAVE]

I oppose the death penalty but not pationately. My instinct tells me that there can never be a guarantee mistakes won't be made. Furthermore a jury that may be terrified of making a mistake, will likely find the defendant innocent, even if they are guilty. Too many people oppposing the death penalty seem to ignore the nightmare the victim of the crime has been through.

[TdotSoul]

Gas the conservatives at the next election

[PhilipJFry72]

What the Conservatives said is that clemency will no longer be automatic.

If you kill two natives because you're bored, then Canada won't be fighting to keep you alive.

Or are the lives of two natives not worth the same amount of justice as two white people?

[travisharder]

Race has nothing to do with it, and I'm not sure where you got the idea that it is a race issue. There are two problems:

1. how are we supposed to say it's ok for America to execute Canadians but then chastise another country, like Mexico or Chad for doing the same? It'll start an international incident over our double standard.

2. the death penalty is wrong, no matter who the victim is. That's why we abolished it here, why should we allow it ot happen to our citizens overseas?

[PhilipJFry72]

You couldn't be more confused if you tried.

First, the Liberal record on this is worse than the Conservatives - do some research and you'll see that the Liberals don't do anything to help citizens incarcerated and tortured overseas.

2nd, in the case of the alleged Canadian - I don't consider the asshole to be a citizen - he was tried and convicted of killing two natives "just out of curiousity". Why should he be allowed to live - that's just pure malevolence.

[PhilipJFry72]

3, The death penalty is just about the only cost-effective remedy for certain crimes. When there is no doubt about a person's guilt and motivation, why should Canada pay for that person to live and eventually be set free?

Would YOU like to live next to convicted murderers, rapists, etc? Would YOU like your CHILDREN growing up next to them?

Of course you wouldn't, so don't pretend you would.

[77Fortran]

'When there is no doubt about a person's guilt and motivation' What a child you are!

Just look your amazing mentality has worked out in the USA!

[PhilipJFry72]

What an IDIOT you are! Really, you're a fucking idiot.

[PhilipJFry72]

4. Race does play a role in the case of Smith - are the lives of natives worth less than "white" people? Or are you saying that the world is better off without two less drunken/drugged up natives?

Pretty racist thing to dismiss the victims like that...

The death penalty sends the message that their lives are worth the same as everyone else'.

[BxoxbxbxyxBxoxy]

If you want everyone's life to be worth the same... then ultimately you cannot be FOR the death penalty as it would contradict your argument to make the person's life who is being put to death worthless as well .... even if he did infact himeself have no regard for the victims lives.

[PhilipJFry72]

WHAT? IDIOT. Try reading the post again and maybe, just maybe, your brain cells will FINALLY kick in and you can apologize for your stupidity.

[77Fortran]

You are a moron and I have no hesitation in calling you that.

[PhilipJFry72]

Which only shows that between the two of us, you are the moron and not me...

Run along, little boy, there's no argument you can win with here.

[77Fortran]

@PhilipJFry72 You can derelict my balls, capi-tan

[jimmyk1111]

FYI, due to the SCC ruling on this:

1. Regardless of what you believe is going on in PMSH's head, the Conservatives cannot reinstate the death penalty without either a. Amending the Charter, or b. Notwithstanding clause.

2. The Attorney General cannot extradite anyone to any country where s/he can face the death penalty.

The only exception is for people who were already extradited/tried before the ruling, or people who commit the crime on foreign soil and are caught before returning to Canada.

[NathanielChristopher]

Well done! Thanks for having the brains and ovaries/balls to say what most reporters don't. Five stars!

[Anbercrombie]

This is crap. It doesn't suggest that the Conservatives want to revisit capital punishment. The quotes either have no context, or if read (yes I know liberals can't read), suggest the exact opposite.

[johnnyroyale00]

You can use profanities and insinuate anything you wish, but when you do so, you illustrate reasons why you're not for reasonable discussion and should not be reasonably responded to. Being charitable, I will respond however; if one cares to google such articles as referenced you would find each quote is in context to what preceded it.

[Anbercrombie]

The fact of the matter is that the issue of capital punishment is a complex issue; apparently more complex than you can understand. It involves issues of traditional justice, social justice, punishment of offenders and - in the context you raise - respect for the sovereignty of other nations.

[Anbercrombie]

The one thing you can't dispute, no matter how partisan a hack you are, is that the government's official policy is to *not* have capital punishment in Canada. The related implications though, of how Canada approaches Canadians properly before the Courts of the United States is a trickier issue and not determinitive of domestic policy. Go read a little, and I'm not just talking Liberal (or NDP) talking points.

[johnnyroyale00]

Here's a warning, you keep calling names and I'll block you. I'm all for discussion, and even allow profanity as an expression, but attacks are wrong. For the last 30 years the government of Canada has stood up for Canadians abroad; the Conservatives did a 180 on that. All the while maintaining that we can keep foreigners in Canada if they are facing the Death Penalty in their respective countries.

[johnnyroyale00]

So are you telling me the Canadian government under the Conservatives should have more respect for foreigners attempting to escape the death penalty then Canadians abroad?

[estesoyojajaja]

@johnnyroyale00 man, the canadian who is going to be execute in Montana killed two innocent persones back in 1982, the guy deserve the death penalty and why is Capital punishment wrong? It is not, because is JUSTICE nad those who are agains Capital Punishment are in FAVOR of criminals. Let the Conservatives bring back the GALLOWS, it will teach to all those Rapist and Murderes the trully meaning of Justice. Go conservatives, bring back the ROPE!!!!

[hamnuts]

When one chooses to go into another country, kill two people, and expect not to be subject to the laws of that state, I have a hard time showing remorse, especially when he shows no empathy either. As for this video, when the narrator starts putting words in the mouths of tories: "the message that the conservatives want to re-establish the death penalty", this video loses all credibility in my opinion.

[johnnyroyale00]

Quite simply your wrong.

Canada for 40 years did the very thing you think Canada shouldn't do. Now Canada did that because laws of other countries have been and are frequently wrong. Canada does not believe in killing people. Stephen Harper does.

[johnnyroyale00]

For the last 40 years Canada has been standing up for Canadians abroad. Laws in other countries are frequently wrong, that's why our laws are different. We don't allow Canaians to be killed. Case closed.

[burningace]

The way I see it is that that criminals are considered the worst element of their society; they are garbage. Death penalty of not, if the US is picking up our garbage why would stop 'em. By the way, the tories never said they were for the death penalty.

[johnnyroyale00]

The Tories only polled Canada trying to see if people were for it. Stockwell Day, and other cabinet ministers are on the record for the death penalty. The Canadian Alliance was for the Death Penalty. For 40 years Canada stood up for Canadians abroad, now with Harper we let them die. Its wrong.

[robotguy]

When was the last time someone was executed in Canada? 40 years ago? non-issue.

[johnnyroyale00]

Does it matter where? Canadians shouldn't be getting executed period.

[robotguy]

In Canada, we abide by Canadian laws. If Canadians choose to travel, then they must abide by the laws of the country to which they travel. If those laws include the death penalty for things such as murdering people, then it is simple - don't murder people, nor expect Canada to bail you out if you do.

[johnnyroyale00]

So your reasoning applies to Canadian soldiers, Canadian business people, Canadian politicians etc. which implies Canadian laws should follow Canadians, as they did for 40 years. And you haven't heard of being falsly accused? In Canada we actually killed innocent people by mistake. If it happened here why not in other places.

[jz386]

do you realize what this murderer did?? he killed and raped a child - in the states. OHH, BUT THE LEFTIES WANT TO KEEP HIM ALIVE AND BRING THE NICE MURDERER BACK TO CANADA TO BE FREE.  good idea NOT.

[scottyross00]

Who said anything about bringing him back into Canada? Are you a Parrot? Do you just repeat what you're Party says?

[johnnyroyale00]

Actually he didn't rape any kid, he killed two adults. Why did you make that up?

[magnificentbud1]

we wont support it because we can't dictate laws to other countries so if your diddler and murderer friends go to countries that have a death penalty and commit those offenses we can't do much about it.

[scottyross00]

For the last 40 years, Canada actually did do something about, we commuted the death sentences to life sentences in jail.

[magnificentbud1]

stephen harper doesn't run those countries. he could send a "please spare his sorry ass" letter but that would get filed under G unless you want to go into trade sanctions and the possibility of bad diplomatic relations with our closest trading partner over some goof like smith.

[77Fortran]

It applies to *any* country you hayseed!

[justincaseE5150]

I'll bet that guy won't murder American Citizens in the United States again.

[scottyross00]

And he wouldn't if he was locked up for the rest of his life, and if that was the case,we'd be honouring Canadian values and principles in the process.

[robotguy]

He wouldn't BE locked up for the rest of his life. Look at Karla Homolka. Even Clifford Olson will get out of jail one day.

[johnnyroyale00]

So then your saying you are for the death penalty, ergo, your previous statement of honouring Canadian laws in Canada is a worthless statement.

[robotguy]

I am saying that those who say he should be locked up for life are fooling themselves. Read for comprehension.

[johnnyroyale00]

"Should" is different from "will." But I guess you already comprehended that one, huh?

[robotguy]

With your command of logic, I hope you do not exercise your franchise.

[johnnyroyale00]

Here's some logic for you. What was said,"And he wouldn't if he was locked up for the rest of his life." Here's what you wrote:"I am saying that those who say he should be locked up for life are fooling themselves." THat's some horrible logic.

[robotguy]

My premise is that they are fooling themselves. Are they fooling themselves? Yes, they are, since *nobody is locked up for life*.  They are expressing a wish for a result that *does not exist in reality*.

[johnnyroyale00]

"if he was" does not imply "he should be". One is giving a possibility, the other is giving a normative judgment. Do you understand how they aren't the same?

[12233445566abc]

Hopefully Youtube Canada will enable a bypass of the mass-media and educate Canadians on Canada's version of the neo-cons. The Harper conservative government. Harper comes from the Straussian school of political philosophy which espouses deception of the people to achieve political objectives.