i myself just got out treatment about 2 months ago and started on 16mg i got lowered to 8 mgs and about 4 days ago i did a jump from 8 mg to 2mgs, HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE IDEA. ive been so sick the past 2 of those 4days... i was wondering how long will it take for my body to adjust to the 2mgs.... please help
Americans are so fucking wierd. Subutex gives 0 high can you think subuxone is funnier? They are switching everyone from subutex to subuxone now cause a subuxone is half the price on the street. Naloxon SUX
i really appericate your video, im getting ready to start getting off of my suboxone, after use of three years, and your video gave me confiedence and tools, and i hope you make another video after your six month clean date.
anyway,i got down to .5mg a day from i'd say 6mg a day by taking 10mg pain pills every three days then back 2 bups to judge where i was mg wise and i am now comfortably down to .5mg a day.so this is day 2 of detox"no bups and it sucks" my kidney's are killing me ,can't stop pissing, and sleep?forget it!going to do the fish oil and hot bath here real soon at 3:00a.m. so i gotta get through this and people such as yourself give me hope.so thank u and the keyboard is getting blurry,gotta go,
The withdrawals from suboxone stay for 4-5 years if not for ever. Not always intensity but the duration. Symptoms such as depression, anxiety,. insomnia and soul wrenching stay with u for eterneity, thats the sad reality..... Suicide thoughts are on the increase for after stoping suboxone, its more less same being on suboxne or subutex,, If one has been on subxone for 1 month & over ur brain chemistry has been altered for the worst..A doctor in UK confirmed this. Scary I know
awesome story bro.this is my second go with detox and like u i been on subs 5 years also. only thing is my doc and i never seen eye 2 eye on how to get me dosed down so i been thankfully splitting my wife's script 4 about 4 years now.i never ate more than 4mg a day and doc wanted me to bump up to 8mg a day then bring me down.i'm like fuck that it made no sense other than him getting more of my dough drawing this shit out longer than needed!i'll finish on my next post!!peace.
good for u bro i was a opiate addict for 9 yrs and have been on suboxone for the last two yrs 2-3 8mg a day and sometimes i feel like i will never get off of bupes i have kicked dope cold turkey more times then i can count but bupes just stay in ur bones any help would be appreciated?
@Donutsr4ever Not to be a smart arse but why not use a bit of dope to get u thru then kick the dope if your don't think you can do that then your probably not ready to get of bupe?
@TheCheedz that IMO is a step backwards i havent used heroin for over 2 yrs and have no plans of ever using again i feel if i have to take a pill everyday to not get hi then so be it but sometimes i really wanna get off subs for good
thank you for the advice. ive been on subs for 3 years (24 for 2 years now ddown to 8ml subutex a day) and ive tried (seriously) 3 or 4 times to quit, the longest i went was when i went to achristian rehab and cold turkey - i made it 7 days before i walked out (shirt on my back - in northern maine in the fall) and walked into an ER in bangor and told them if they didnt give me meds i was gonna rob a pharmacy (i had shit me britches and hadn;t slept in 7 days - lookin and feelin craaazy) -
@angelbndscumn they took pity and had a nurse call the treatment center in town and somehow got me a dose. it took a looong time for this to happen and the ironic part is that while i was waiting on the hospital bed for the dose i actually fell asleep. looking back i kick myself. that started the whole scene all over again. i returned home and went directly back to my doc and got my rx goin again.
anyway your vid gives me hope. there aren't too many success stories w/sub dt. God bless
I am on my 8th day off of suboxone....your body is completely drained but you cant sleep....thats the worst part...get something to help u sleep....something i dont have
@teetsistheman Is it true extreme depression stays with you for ever post suboxone? I can't find anybody who got off subs and stayed clean...This guy in the video apparently reverted back to sub. Man thats sooooo disheartening.
@2011Lightening Well, the best thing I can say about the extreme depression is that it really depends on how you feel....do you want to finally come off of it....or are you being forced to stop...Today was my ninth day off of them and i can honestly say the agony of feeling like shit just lifted off of me i was no longer laying in bed all day trying to sleep...I also can give you some tips....when i posted my last comment i wasnt sleeping at all...but today i did. you just cant!
@teetsistheman give up...Im not depressed i am eager to be clean. With that being said here is what you can do to help...depending on what drug you took before you got on suboxone it might very... be sure to have your doctor subscribe you clonidine promethazine and Diphen/Atrop. for the shits. i was addicted to vicodin oxy any opiate that made me feel like superman. i was on suboxone for 3 years and i can assure you the "withdrawal" is nowhere near the withdrawal from opiates
I've been cut off my Suboxone because i was supposed to be weaning myself off. i am a former junkie and disipline is not one of my stronger assets. I am now facing the hard road of cold turkey. Should i go through the torture or find another doctor? I've been clean for 20 months from the herion.
i read all kinds of comments on google that ppl posted about the withdrawal symptoms frm subs & it just made it harder 4 me 2 c the bright side of quiting..so i stopped reading! i didnt wanta concentrate on how long other ppl said it took 2 get over the withdrawals..its diff 4 every1 & depends on ur will power i think. So, my advice 4 any1 lookin 4 sum, is 2 not worry bout a time frame on gettin thru it all, but rather what u get 2 look 4ward 2 when ur clean..LIFE IS GREAT when u r drug free!!!
im now bak @ wrk after a little over a month of being off. i feel GREAT & am actually makin more money than b4 i quit the subs. im on a production job that depends on how fast u wrk, & it amazes me how much more i get done now that im clean. i thought b4 that i was hauling tail, but now that im clear headed, i see just how much i was slacking in lots of aspects of my life! i feel like a better mom 2 my daughter now & plan 2 b a good mom 2 my lil boy when he gets here 2.
i didnt want my unborn child being drugged 4 9mo, so i decided id quit & even tho the withdrawals were VERY difficult on top of all the pregnancy symptoms, i knew it HAD 2b done & set my mind 2 it. I was laid off wrk a week after i quit subs so i didnt have 2 worry bout working, but i think it would have been easier if id had somethin 2 keep me busy. The worst part 4 me besides insomnia & the physical symptoms, was the time dragging by! BUT, it doesnt last 4ever & gettin clean is def worth it!!
ive been off subs 4 a lil over 2months now & feel GREAT! i found out i was a few weeks pregnant & decided 2 stop. I did it w/out dr supervision(not recommend) but it worked & i feel better than i have n yrs! i cut bak over a couple weeks frm 1/2, then 2 1/4, & then 1/8 & jumped completely off. went thru a month of hell but after that it was a piece of cake! i was lucky 2b blessed w/a reason 2 wanta quit..found out this week ITS A BOY!! : )
...You are not just coming off suboxone. You are reaching baseline after years of opiate abuse and years of suboxone. The neurophysiology is your brain must start to create pathways and produce what you have been giving it freely for years. The human body is resilient though, and natural dopamine is way better than any analgesic. Ride that shit out!
@udishiding What I'd like to know is how long it actually takes for your brain to restore itself. I've never seen any official aka scientific data regarding this. My doctor once said that it could take 15 months for you to begin producing endorphins again. Well...I'm almost at 15 months...and wondering if anything will happen...and maybe I will start feeling really good instead of just so-so???
Great Video. This is my seventh day suboxone free. Been on aprx 4mg for 2 years, and have a lengthy analgesic history. Not sure about naloxone blocking natural dopamine; however the as you said, the extreme half-life of of buprenorphine means those receptors are occupied for a long period. Nonetheless, this is one of the best videos out there on this subject.
I'm off 7 days...it's 4 a.m,. maybe later, idk. but I'm awake, can't sleep, can't eat and every cell in my body aches to all hell. I'm kickin like crazy. my back is killing me. don't bother with subs. it doesn't minimize withdrawal. believe me. thanks for the info...
@pamt1229 Try generic Immodium - take four 2mg caplets an hour before bed. Believe me, it will help relieve the restless legs. If you take Xanax in conjunction with the Immodium, you should get some sleep. You can't do this every day obviously because you definitely don't want to get hooked on Xanax. The insomnia is one of the most frustrating aspects of withdrawal...but it is relatively short-lived. It sucks but the funny thing is you aren't really tired.
Thanks for this video buddy. Im surprised your withdrawals lasted a month? Or did it?? At a month off suboxone i felt pretty good, but at about 5 weeks PAWS set in and the last couple months I have been horrible, some ways more horrible than the first month. I dont have that constant "reved up" feeling anymore which is great. Im 3 months clean today...hopefully it will pass soon!
@bmwm321m It's normal for you to experience PAWS. My WD's lasted 4-6 weeks and I felt great for a couple of months after that. BUT, at about month #6, I woke up one morning feeling withdraw-ey. The whole process of getting back to TRUE normal takes one year. My doc once mentioned that it can take up to 15 months for your body to begin producing its own endorphins again.
@alternatehistories Once on suboxone and/or off it you will never ever feel the same granted...You will alwyas have PAWS and depression for the rest of your life. The suboxone cuts out the serontine level for good and thats why you can never ever recover to pre-suboxone way. If you was on suboxone for over 2 months then you'll never ever be the same. Granted.
@Kellystarrr You have a plausible theory there...but I've not seen those long-term effects discussed in the scientific literature. You might be mistaking cause and effect. Most people on Suboxone have a long history of heavy opiate use....perhaps THAT is the cause of PAWS, depression, low-serotonin levels. I'm not saying you're wrong...you may very well be right...but I'd feel better when I see it officially stated in scientific journals. Maybe the pharma company has an expensive cure for PAWS.
@alternatehistories I agree the suboxone DOES have long term implications..There is not much scientifc record because they have not done studies and patiens are still guinea pigs..Many have been diagnosed with extreme long term depression from suboxone.. The PAWS is long with suboxone, not other short opiates. Eveb methadone is less gruelling compared to suboxone. You feel just as bad on suboxone but being off it is not going to happen because serontin level will always b low
@Keirronful I guess everyone responds differently. Depression has never been an issue for me. PAWS come and go. I'm at 15 months off Suboxone and I'm finding that, as time goes on, the PAWS get weaker and the outbreaks are further apart. So...to people about to quit, I'd say to expect it to take at least a year before you feel totally normal. The worst part is the first six weeks...after that you can easily deal with it.
I'm going through this right now. You ARE going to have to go through some withdraws. I used Subs to kick a heroin habit years ago, but only took it for 3 or 4 days and it worked great. But, years later, that opiate craving started coming back and before I knew it, addict AGAIN. This time round I took Subs longer because they worked so great the first time. This time, not good at all. Withdraw from Subs is A LOT longer. Helpful tips: Clonazepam for sleep. Stay active, force feed yourself!
@mjwible27 Any advice would be much appreciated. I'm on day 26 today as well. Weird? I'm still feeling the withdraw, though it's strange because it comes and it goes. One moment I'll be feeling almost normal and the next I have the creepy crawlys. Some nights (like last night) I sleep fine, but most nights I need at least 1mg of Clonazepam for sleeping. I'm pretty sure the worst is over. When I do feel like crap it's not as bad as say day 5 was. It's tappering off...though slowly.
@Jarifman Yeah, the guy who made this video really doesn't respond to anyone, so you're on the same day as me, good shit man.
K, the only thing that I'm going thru is not much sleep, waking up a lot, but other then that, I feel great.
Take Ibuprofen through out the day, it helps a ton and some sort of exercise as well. I say about another 7 to 10 days and you'll be just fine. This is my 2nd time stopping, last time I went 3 months, shouldn't have came back to them.
@ant5399 The 1st 14-17 days are the worst. It will eventually, but slowly taper off. I know people say not to take benzos for this, but believe me...the more you sleep the better you feel. I'm still feeling it after what, 8 weeks, but where it was a 10 the first 2 to 3 weeks, it's now about a 2 on the worst days. Valum, Xanex, or Klonipin are your best alternative for sleep. Just don't abuse them.I feel great over all. The depression is gone and the only thing lingering is the lack of energy.
Hi, I am beginning my third month on Suboxone. Was a heavy opiate user, but I have spinal issues and severe chronic pain. My dr. says Suboxone is so safe, I can take it for the rest of my life, to control my pain. My pain used to be on a scale of 1-10 at about an 8 every day. Now it is a "1" or less! Amazing! I don't know if I'll ever stop taking Sub. I just hate the bitter taste, but if it means being pain free, then there is nothing to complain about. No cravings anymore either! YAY!!
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yeah i find omega oils and galic is great. also magnesium vit b6 zinc vit c help speed up brain function and repair liver :-) good advice on this tube!
@TheAlexisaac1000ify Supplements dont do nothing for opiate detox let alone sub long acting opiates..Suppelments are for malnourished babies from the third world, and dont do shit for opiate related withdrawals, gosh so many morons.
@Kellystarrr i feel for you with such a negative view, and cant help but wonder are you still trapped in an active addiction, because all your comments are without hope. Or are you just trolling? supplements are probabally not going to ease withdrawals, but they will help rebuild the body, and boost its ability to heal, which means they will help the body to eliminate toxins that have built up over time. Its a case of nourishment, versus toxins.
I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. ive been taking suboxone for 10 days now..My doc gave me a moths worth of 8 mg strips. the first time i took a whole strip it rocked me..I was fucked up till like 3 in the morning..had to go to work ..I didn't like it...So the next day i took half a strip and it still gives me a hell of a buzz..then makes my pupils small..And i get real tired..ive been taking just one half of a strip for 9 days...But it still gives me a buzz and makes me tired.Any one else experience this
@DiSwHiTeBoY2KrAzY sounds to me like your dose is still too high, it seems wierd that you have not been monitered for the first few days, as where i live, they moniter a persons dosage, to see if they have prescribed a correct dose
@Artfulskribbler my doc says its better for me to find the right amount to take as long as its not mere than 2 a day. so basically im supposed to find the amount im comfortable with..idk...ive tried different dosages for a couple days it all makes me tired .
@DiSwHiTeBoY2KrAzY do you need them? are they prescribed to come off a different opiate? i'm a bit confused, can you get 2mg's , maybe they just dont agree with you?
@Artfulskribbler ya.. i need it..ive been addicted to pin meds for about 5 years...right before i got subs i wa taking bout 30 perk 5's a day.... so i dont no why it makes me so tired..but id rather be tired the going through withdraw..And im trying to tke the least amount of subs i can..So its easier to get off of...
@DiSwHiTeBoY2KrAzY I used to take it before bed because it knocked me out. Cut the dose if you don't want a buzz. Its a very very potent narcotic, 25-40x as potent as morphine.
Wow. Brought a tear to my eye. Thanks for the positive message. I've been through this, and that RLS, in the arms. Power to you man. Would love to know how you are doing now in 2011. Send me a msg if you read this.
i guess that what people put out, is a reflection of their own inner world, glass half full, glass half empty. people need to learn to take a bit of responsibility for their own state of being. It is a typical junky trait to be caught up in victim mode..........when i read these comments before my detox, they terrified me. now i just see sweeping generalised statements written by the unconcsious.....maybe they should spend some time addressing their own issues, instead of projecting on to others
I forgot to say that my only fear of falling into depression.because sub change your brain....he is antidepress. and after when you get off you feel like you lose something,you felling down.I dont want feel empty....I heard that is so for some time....sub fuck your receptors and you.....fuck drugs....i wish to be normal....but they say that time heals....so will we see....by all the people living for today(lennon):-)))))
@MrMarkec24 The depression will be "HARD" and it will stay for years on end. Thats tthe issue with suboxone, even if you take suboxone for 2 months you will be really badly depressed for a year and over so you can imagaine how bad the long term users get it. The suboxone or subutex does something to the brain that it permantly puts you a in really depressed state forever, you have to adapt to it. Even antidepressants wont do nothing. Its too late for long term sub users but u can stil warn ppl.
hy everyone....sorry my english isn't so good when i'am typing....ok I came from CROATIA(in europe,near italy) and i have been on subutex for about 1 year....and now it has been 10 days since i took last sub.well this guy is talking realistically.I feel much better now,and still isn't over yet,but 2 week's and you will be free.....get it off isn't so hard,just first 5-6 days....no sleep,and the rest shit....now I sleep about 6-7 hours....with some pils for calm down....good luck and stay hard
thank you I am looking for ways to help my son get off subutex... up all night... I think he has an allergy as he throws up all the time ... 1mth of herion...2 yrs suboxone/subutex...what a sequeli of a choice
@mzkimball i have been off subs now since june 21st, i do not feel depressed, in fact i feel empowered to get my life back, obviously there is going to be a period of adjustment, for anybody. but your son would have to really have had enough, no matter how much you love him, it is something someone has to do for themselves, having said that support is a blessing to anyone, he sounds very lucky to have that. Please dont believe some of the negative posts on here. good luck to you and your boy.
maybe the people, posting some of the mumbo jumbo- no hope for anyone on subutex- comments, are trying to achieve something positive by putting people off taking it in the first place. The thing is, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that most people checking this site, are doing so, because the title is related to coming off suboxone/subutex ..FINALLY (as it says in the title). It is not helpful to anyone to hear that there is no point in bothering, as they are fucked for life
do poisons take out/use up our alkaline minerals- do people have a way to put them back in- in other words- is the high or paralysis due to our chemical changes from taking toxic drugs- is the after effect the down- due to chemical imbalance- what minerals make up the dopamine or other mood altering chemical our nerves/glands make?do our minerals stay the same/normal after poisons are taken in- this can be measured by yr doc- hope you can REMAIN off poison when stressed-read dr carl pheiffer
@lmollot Its got nothing to do with "minerals." They don't make up "dopamine or other mood altering chemical." English doesn't look like your first language, Your post is very weird.
It's actually the buprenorphine that blocks your receptors not the naloxone. Naloxone is just in there to discourage it's abuse although I'm unsure of it's effectiveness in that regard.
5 days of subs was down to 1mg i was taking 8mg paper suboxin and cutting it down to 8 doeses and now im off 5 days and starting to feel crazy with no sleep and feeling like i could die FUCK YOU DRUG COMPANIES !!!
This is my story for those it may help, a little background on myself first, I'm a 31 year old male, no dramatic childhood or anything like that, I started taking t-3s recreationally when i was about 21, by 23 years old i was fully dependent on them, I was only taking about 10 a day just not to get sick, my hook up for t-3s, dried up about 8 months ago and a oxy hook up fell on my lap, I started taking oxy to not withdrawal from the t-3s, I was taking about 3-4 40s a day, I was taking the oxy b
@burgerkingmurders Tried iboga and it made things worse for me. First gave me few days of cleaness but then a week later withdrawals and mainly paws came down crashing on my body and brain. I thought I messed up my brain from iboga. I dont think for methadone and suboxone and morpphine maitenence that iboga does anything. My trip wasnt so bad of iboga but it did not take away withdrawals or paws. The side effects of iboga are real and too dangerous.
@Solarlad I can think of nothing worse when withdrwaing than taking a hallucinogen. It only seems to work for a hanful of people, most say its awful..
@Artfulskribbler i agree with what you said and have experienced exactly what your talking about. This whole thing sucks all around. Failed at day 9 on my last attempt in Feb 2011. Will give it another shot in August. The long drawn out part of sub wd is to me the hardest part to deal with. Even though the H is damn viloent and intense and i had a strong sense of panic after 3 days i cud tell i was geting a lil better each day. Subs day 8 was as bad as day 3 form me. But not quite as horrid
God bless you! Your stronger then me! I jump off 16mg to nothing and I'm going on 2 weeks now. I couldnt take it so I got on tramodol to help and it has. Tramadol doesn't have opiates in it so withdrawal from that aren't near as bad as subs. I know it probably not the right way to get off but it works for me.
very helpful info, my husband has been on suboxone for almost 13 weeks, he was a perc/oxy user for almost 3 yrs. I am a strong believer in the supplements, exercise and keeping busy, he is also a smoker and heavy coffee drinker.
@MsJgreen77 YES YOU R RIGHT! Subox is only for withdrawals. Then you stop. I dont understand how people are being tricked to take it for more than 5 days. YOU NAILED IT. 5 days max.
@darrenzimm I can say that after the 5 days it was still hard but, it is about will power! I thank God that I am off of the pain meds, they were killing me and I wasn't abusing them, I took them as prescribed. Doctor's should be punished for keeping people on Opiates, just my opinion though. God bless you and stay healthy!
But now I feel no different from when I was on oxy. I need this Suboxone or else I will be sick. And now it's like I just take it to feel normal. I wish there was an easy way to stop but it's far from easy.
I look up to you. I've been on Suboxone for 2 years. The worst part is I get them off the street because I can't get a doctor. I pay 10 bucks for 8mg. I hate it. At first I thought I was great because I was saving so much money from not buying oxys
They say it takes rougly 7 years before your brain goes slightly back to normal. I've looked so much things up. I've had depression my whole life, actually, i'm "bipolar," and refused to take medication. PAWS may bring hard depression, but there's no difference from before to now.. except the fact that i can easily do some sub to take it away. But it's faux happiness. People can't stop their depression, anxiety, ADD meds either..no different. They quit for a few months and go back. I won't!
There is hope. There's a very small percent that do it--And being realistic is the best thing one can do in this situation. But I refuse to be on this shit forever. Fuck that. But I've seen it...first hand.... He could of relapsed, but one thing I know now..if I ever do relapse, it will be another opiate. Not suboxone. I'll be getting high off of it.
@RuleBritannia69 Infact stats show anybody who has used an opiate for a month and over in their lives and have children the chances are very HIGH children will indeed turn our disabled, not just in the pshycal aspect but mental too, even small traits such as having a weak mind, sleeping about i.e speacially girls who cant say no to sex, boys who turn out voilent, why do you think opiate parents have so much trouble with their kids? even if the parents become clean. So I believe it.
@SonyaOOOlights But opiates have never been shown to damage DNA.. and they're water soluble, they don't build up in the body, and the endogenous opioid system reregulates itself a week or two after discontinuation. I've been researching opioids for 10 years and I have never heard those "stats" or anything close to it. Where did you hear this
@Stillwater900 Opiates dissolve your brain rapidly and the suboxone rapidly destroys your liver believe it. Its because of enzymes of the liver and the brain fog mode that people get long lasting paws. The depression is the worst because its "HARD" and long lasting, perhaps forever. For users who have used sub for over 2 or 3 months it can be too late to do anything about depression and liver but you can always warn the newbies not to take sub and come off it after few weeks.
Wow.... You just made that up. In 10 years of researching opiates, (the hard technical stuff too), I have NEVER read that opiates dissolve your brain, nor can I think of a mechanism by which it would occur. Praytell, where did you hear this?
@2011Lightening I read lots of the reports of high liver enzymes with long term Suboxone, and in every single case, they returned to normal after discontinuation, even a woman who had been on it for 4-1/2 years. So the liver is clearly not being "destroyed."
@2011Lightening "Brain fog mode" -- Never heard of that. What you are not grasping is the fact that the effects opiate agonists/antagonists are not permanent, as I said, unless the opiate was a permanent antagonist, the endogenous opioid system will reregulate itself, excess receptor sites shut down and enkephalin levels will rise. You wont be depressed "forever," nor have I EVER, EVER read a report of it happening
@2011Lightening You are obviously very scientifically naive, you shouldn't go around posting things like that if you have no idea what you're talking about.
Obviously, i've tried to quit a lot lol. Unless it's for good, it's not quitting though.. and there's hardly anyone that can stick with it.. but for those that do, that's awesome.
No matter what, there's always a mental complex to it..You definitely aren't 100%, but I see people that have a terrible time with it, and some that have minimal problems.. It's nice to at least think optimistic, as hard as it is. Personally, I feel like i'm going insane when I try to quit. 2 weeks or 2 years--It does eventually get better.. The mind fuck that comes with it is inevitable..But I see your point that it is not as good as he makes it sound.. It sucks :-\ But he did it..
@kismetdaisy You dont knw if he did it....Many folks aren't going to admit relapsing or going back on sub when PAWS-Depression hit them Hard!!!..Over 90% of users cannot quit because of the serve hard-core-depression-PAWS which comes with it..Also the fact while "YOUR ON IT" you feel just as worse..Basically many people try to actually commit suicide because of Buprenorphine-Suboxone-Subutex-Buprenex. There is sadly no hope, am only being realistic for you and trutful.
Ah well.. It truly depends on the person. There's no easy way around it. I've had friends that were in w/d for 2 months straight, didn't feel normal for 2 years.my ex was in jail 2 months-- was sick for 14 days-And he's having no problems what so ever-was a sub user for 4 years, Each person is different. PAWS affect many of us, but not all. I quit for 6 months-was sick for 3 weeks--Didn't suffer bad PAWS.. But here I am again, been sick for a month. Rehab it is. Being ready is key.
so happy for you. nothing that makes me more happy than to hear Sub success stories. Ppl call me crazy, but I wish I was still on oxies. It wasn't nearly as bad as Suboxone. I think some of the oxy withdrawal, your stomach being sooo nauseated, is worse than Sub w/d as far as intensity-- but it doesn't last nearly as long.. Last time I quit sub, I was sick for 2 months straight. Now i'm back on it. I can't do it on my own. And rehab for suboxone..pssh-they dont know what im talkin about!
@kismetdaisy This guy on the Video actually suffered PAWS for 2 years. He told me, and thats why he didnt post another video for 2 years either. Sorry to tell u its not a success story. U can wean low and slow as u want but will still suffer hardcore sever depression-PAWS, that's guaranteed!!!..
@adamk1775 "suboxone is the silver bullet that kills heroin addiction..." Yeah, it killed heroin addiction, but then your addicted to Suboxone!! The people who believe that are the ones who get hooked on it hardest. Don't be naive you fool
@Stillwater900 Fool huh? I used a quick detox method with the suboxone. I decreased my dosage every other day. I was off in two weeks, and never looked back. Don't hate on me because you are weak. In fact, kiss my ass...
@adamk1775 So you clearly had a baby habit. Don't tell people with real addictions that its a "silver bullet," some of them might believe you. Go finish your homework, its almost bedtime.
Thanks for the video, and congrats! I've been on soboxone for 10 months. About 3 months ago I weaned down from 2- 8/2mg strips a day to 1.5 8/2mg strips. And this week started the drop to 1 1/4. I was to quick in dropping to 1 1/8 and suffered. Its a slow process. Soboxone treatment was there for me when my life was out of control. As part of the program, I am in CBT, with an incredible shrink. My life is really changing, future looks good! Thanks for the video and stay clean! ;-)
i need help also....im on subutex and i want off.....i dont know what im doing, i keep thinking if i take more i will get high???? can you help me? what can i do?
@isiswintermagick not sure what your saying, you say you want off, and then wonder about taking more......will you get high??? is that a worry, or is it something your wanting? there is a lot of negative stuff about sub on here, and i would agree that its not all its cracked up to be, i would agree its good for a quick detox, to ease the withdrawals off other opiates, however it also gives stability and a chance to make changes for those whose lives have become chaotic through drug use.
@74pbg once ur on sub u cant quit, statsshow over 76.4% of suboxone users for over 5 months have suicidle feelings when they quit..Over 93.% of suboxone users for over 8 months tend to stay on suboxone and never quit because of withdrawals and fears. Stats also said suboxone effects the liver equivlent to 3 bottles of small vodka drinks everyday. For example 1mg of suboxone is equalled to 3 vodka small bottles. Hence of why liver-enzymes are messed up when detoxing, hence of withdrwals and PAWS.
just another pharmaceutical government trap. and i am no conspiracy theorist. just personal experience. i am off of it now for about 2 weeks.... it was harder to knock than oxys and dope
@Jmeez69 You only been off sub 2 weeks, wait for 1 month and 4 months or even 6 months. Am anti-sub actually but fact is people feel suicidle as they can't handle months and years of paws which mostly will never ever end period!!!!!!!!!!......The depression is the worst, even if u never ever had depression issues before.
@SonyaOOOlights i know people that have come off subs sucessfully. it is not easy, and you have to reach a point within the core of yourself, that really wants it to work. it is not just a matter of stopping a substance, there will be a lot of other issues that need adressing, patterns of thinking, and behaviour etc There is no easy way out from long term opiate abuse, and people need to realise this. But your comments i feel, are doing more damage than good.your negativity is not helping anyone
@Jmeez69 So how are u doing now? im on my 8th day andd would have to agree that subs was harder then H. For me when i cold turkey'd H i was better by now. Subs is a deceptively powerful substance.
@ods1ODS each time you come off H, it gets harder, and the withdrawal takes longer. coming of the H, will be more intense, and off the subs will be more drawn out. This is why it is better for a quick detox, the trouble is with a quick detox, unless someone is within a very supportive environment, the chances of relapse will probablly be high.. subs are very deceptive, they say after two years of use, it will be like coming off methadone, also a big nasty, with long drawn out withdrawals
@SonyaOOOlights .. I see your stating the stone cold facts about suboxone. The part where you say suboxone is damaging to the liver just as vodka is seems encouraging for Suboxone users to either ween off of the drug, or to stop taking it. I feel that is positive information for us opiate users to feed on. (Because you know its not always positve in an addicts mind) So why on earth would you put the negative vibes out in the first part of your post. Some of us ARE trying to get better.
@TheJumboSanduki Am only speaking from research, facts dont lie, stats dont lie, reality doesnt lie and truth doesnt lie. Am anti-sub actually and anti-opiates-drugs, but we can't run away from the Truth. We can't be in-denail about this. Infact Buprenorphine dose of 0.4mg is equivlent to a massive bottle of Vodka. Why do u think folks get long drawn out withdrawals and paws from sub? because it effects the liver-enzymes. It shortens your life span and your more sceptable to viruses and bugs.
@TheJumboSanduki i'm with you on this one, i really dont see where this person is coming from, it seems that SonyaNOOOlights!! has nothing but a negative message, of no hope and futility. The guy from the vid, has a positive message, and there is nothing stronger than seeing someone get to the otherside of this stuff.
I was on suboxone for 3 years daily right and then I started to lose intrest in life, this is called when the honeymoon period is over. By chance I had a live function test and my doc could not figure out why and when I told him I use to take suboxone he then went "ah ha" I tapered my dose to 0.1 and didnt feel right for months, it was hell. My liver messed up bad because of sub. Am getting an MRI scan now because I cant take these paws. The sub messes our bodies and brain, thats why the paws.
@Solarlad Would you please take a second to elaborate on your liver issues from Suboxone? I've been on for years and am starting to get worried... Thanks a lot
She is telling the truth though. I felt like majority of people do when we stay on sub and come off it. I know for sure most women wont date addicts, not the educated attractive ones anyway. To be blunt Ive never come across any couple where only the dude was on opiates and the woman was not. The woman either doesnt want to be with the dude or she gets out, unless shes on opiates too. I think children should be taken in care if their folks are addicts because it does influence them to an extent.
And I mean proper influence, obviously the children will be tempted to do opiates too or wont have a decent life compared to children whos folks are well off and educated. Thats why am not having kids at the moment because I dont want them to get some sort of disability or a cell missing, but damage could already be done.My doctor clearly told me if anybody has been on opiates in the past then there is a chance your breed could be affected by it, more so with men then women. I cant get off sub.
@SonyaOOOlights I had to comment again with you. Everytime i see your bs i wonder if u get off on tryin to sabotage others sobriety. Yea maybe 93% stay on suboxone for life, as the stats read. And that may include you. But for the ones who really want what they set out for... thats the rest of us. Representing the 7th percentile ! hahah Go spread your negativity w/ your chat room friends
@TheJumboSanduki Am only speaking the truth and being realistic. Am against sub and everything actually. But am just reminding folks the harsh reality of this substance and how Buprenorphine has failed. Those 7% of folks only took sub for 1 week or/and cant get hold of it. Over 93% of People who stay on sub is because of Sub withdrawals, PAWS and the severe depression which comes with Suboxone. Thats harsh reality of it. The more one takes sub the more bored and unmotivated they get.
@SonyaOOOlights I understand the drawn out withdrawals and depression post detox. And i agree w/ you that bupe is one nasty drug. I'm wondering why they even came out with this drug if it attacks the liver enzymes so damagingly. And the sucess rate is the worst of any pill/drug out there. Can you help me w/ that question? Also I see now by your reply, that you have sencerity to your motives, and appologize on calling you out.
@SonyaOOOlights your comments are ignorant, and i'm not sure what your point is. This guy has a positive message to put out there, and i know of people that have quit subs......FACT. There is no easy way out of any opiate addiction, but this does not mean that its impossible, it does mean that the more prepared someone is, the better, and as for the comment on parents of those that have tried opiates, it is just plain ignorant.
@Artfulskribbler I believe she has a point. I personally have never met or seen any subutex user quit and stay clean. Ive seen oxy users make it but I see methadone, subutex and heroin users hae a hard time. The subutex goes has a lot of affect on the liver enzymes, might not be directly related but does affect it, this am 100% sure and I agree with her.. I also know a family whos mom and pops are both addicts or were addicts but their child is brain damaged, so in that sense I believe its true.
@Artfulskribbler There is some truth of offsprings suffering because of their addict and junkie parents. I know four familes where either the mother or father or both tried some opiates and some of their offsprings had mental health issues, one was born with partial sight and the other has got a disability, everybody in the neighbourhood knows it was because of their parents neglecting their own bodies, even though some parents stopped opiates many years ago. Kids can suffer because of it.
@SonyaOOOlights You are an idiot!!! Suboxone and Subutex are digested through the GI tract not the liver you ass do your research. Suboxone does almost no damage at all to the liver or kidneys, that is why so many people with hepatitis are on it. Its being prescribed as a painkiller now to patience who have any type of liver problem, due to its lack of damage to the liver!!!!!
ThePsiloeye I know a friend whos liver got messed up because of the subutex. His liver was find before hand but since subbies his liver has gone downhill and he also got kindney stones. His doctor comfirmed this too. The subutex is kind of new and we dont know the long term affects. I actually agree with Sonya that the more you take it the more your brain, body, and your insides get messed up. I know another who also got brain lesions directly related from subutex. Be aware of what you praise.
@Stillwater900 I had inflmation of the liver, my liver enzymes were totally messed up all directly linked to subutx, 3 doctors verfied that. I don't drink, didn't take any opiates except buprenorphine and I had some cells destroyed because of ibogaine. It's not only me who had these issues but tons of others. They also said sub doesn't give you withdrawals as such but they were wrong about that, so liver getting messed up by sub is certainly a reality. Thats the WDs linger on so long.
@ThePsiloeye I use to be on suboxone and it turned out my post acute withdrawal syndrome were a result of bad liver and 8 brain lesions. I got the scan results to prove this. I mean I did not consume anything else other then suboxone and my health pre-suboxone was fine, bit of a coincidence then my lesions turned up and my liver test showed abornomal enzymes? stay away from suboxone. I weaned down the lowest dose 0.25 and still went through hell, espeacially the paws. Am sad it messed my health.
i myself just got out treatment about 2 months ago and started on 16mg i got lowered to 8 mgs and about 4 days ago i did a jump from 8 mg to 2mgs, HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE IDEA. ive been so sick the past 2 of those 4days... i was wondering how long will it take for my body to adjust to the 2mgs.... please help
Etniesskater15 1 day ago
I've heard that the naloxone doesnt work when you take the suboxone orally.
psx1337 2 weeks ago
Congratulations tho and thx for this msg
art0neable 3 weeks ago
fuck im si withdrawly that went the other way around. Subuxone gives 0% high subutex are worth injecting even
art0neable 3 weeks ago
Americans are so fucking wierd. Subutex gives 0 high can you think subuxone is funnier? They are switching everyone from subutex to subuxone now cause a subuxone is half the price on the street. Naloxon SUX
art0neable 3 weeks ago
i really appericate your video, im getting ready to start getting off of my suboxone, after use of three years, and your video gave me confiedence and tools, and i hope you make another video after your six month clean date.
fangbanger714 1 month ago
anyway,i got down to .5mg a day from i'd say 6mg a day by taking 10mg pain pills every three days then back 2 bups to judge where i was mg wise and i am now comfortably down to .5mg a day.so this is day 2 of detox"no bups and it sucks" my kidney's are killing me ,can't stop pissing, and sleep?forget it!going to do the fish oil and hot bath here real soon at 3:00a.m. so i gotta get through this and people such as yourself give me hope.so thank u and the keyboard is getting blurry,gotta go,
quitersgotorehab 1 month ago
The withdrawals from suboxone stay for 4-5 years if not for ever. Not always intensity but the duration. Symptoms such as depression, anxiety,. insomnia and soul wrenching stay with u for eterneity, thats the sad reality..... Suicide thoughts are on the increase for after stoping suboxone, its more less same being on suboxne or subutex,, If one has been on subxone for 1 month & over ur brain chemistry has been altered for the worst..A doctor in UK confirmed this. Scary I know
easynowww 1 month ago
awesome story bro.this is my second go with detox and like u i been on subs 5 years also. only thing is my doc and i never seen eye 2 eye on how to get me dosed down so i been thankfully splitting my wife's script 4 about 4 years now.i never ate more than 4mg a day and doc wanted me to bump up to 8mg a day then bring me down.i'm like fuck that it made no sense other than him getting more of my dough drawing this shit out longer than needed!i'll finish on my next post!!peace.
quitersgotorehab 1 month ago
good for u bro i was a opiate addict for 9 yrs and have been on suboxone for the last two yrs 2-3 8mg a day and sometimes i feel like i will never get off of bupes i have kicked dope cold turkey more times then i can count but bupes just stay in ur bones any help would be appreciated?
Donutsr4ever 1 month ago
@Donutsr4ever Not to be a smart arse but why not use a bit of dope to get u thru then kick the dope if your don't think you can do that then your probably not ready to get of bupe?
TheCheedz 1 month ago
@TheCheedz that IMO is a step backwards i havent used heroin for over 2 yrs and have no plans of ever using again i feel if i have to take a pill everyday to not get hi then so be it but sometimes i really wanna get off subs for good
Donutsr4ever 3 weeks ago
You my friend are awesome! Good for you!!!!
ChrisTheSunnyGirly 1 month ago
thank you for the advice. ive been on subs for 3 years (24 for 2 years now ddown to 8ml subutex a day) and ive tried (seriously) 3 or 4 times to quit, the longest i went was when i went to achristian rehab and cold turkey - i made it 7 days before i walked out (shirt on my back - in northern maine in the fall) and walked into an ER in bangor and told them if they didnt give me meds i was gonna rob a pharmacy (i had shit me britches and hadn;t slept in 7 days - lookin and feelin craaazy) -
angelbndscumn 1 month ago
@angelbndscumn they took pity and had a nurse call the treatment center in town and somehow got me a dose. it took a looong time for this to happen and the ironic part is that while i was waiting on the hospital bed for the dose i actually fell asleep. looking back i kick myself. that started the whole scene all over again. i returned home and went directly back to my doc and got my rx goin again.
anyway your vid gives me hope. there aren't too many success stories w/sub dt. God bless
angelbndscumn 1 month ago
I am on my 8th day off of suboxone....your body is completely drained but you cant sleep....thats the worst part...get something to help u sleep....something i dont have
teetsistheman 1 month ago
@teetsistheman Is it true extreme depression stays with you for ever post suboxone? I can't find anybody who got off subs and stayed clean...This guy in the video apparently reverted back to sub. Man thats sooooo disheartening.
2011Lightening 1 month ago
@2011Lightening Well, the best thing I can say about the extreme depression is that it really depends on how you feel....do you want to finally come off of it....or are you being forced to stop...Today was my ninth day off of them and i can honestly say the agony of feeling like shit just lifted off of me i was no longer laying in bed all day trying to sleep...I also can give you some tips....when i posted my last comment i wasnt sleeping at all...but today i did. you just cant!
teetsistheman 1 month ago
@teetsistheman give up...Im not depressed i am eager to be clean. With that being said here is what you can do to help...depending on what drug you took before you got on suboxone it might very... be sure to have your doctor subscribe you clonidine promethazine and Diphen/Atrop. for the shits. i was addicted to vicodin oxy any opiate that made me feel like superman. i was on suboxone for 3 years and i can assure you the "withdrawal" is nowhere near the withdrawal from opiates
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osubeavers05 2 months ago
I've been cut off my Suboxone because i was supposed to be weaning myself off. i am a former junkie and disipline is not one of my stronger assets. I am now facing the hard road of cold turkey. Should i go through the torture or find another doctor? I've been clean for 20 months from the herion.
Mimasfriend 2 months ago
i see no reason to get off it. my doctor said i can stay on it indef. as long as I have my insurance.
TheHotdoobie75 2 months ago
i read all kinds of comments on google that ppl posted about the withdrawal symptoms frm subs & it just made it harder 4 me 2 c the bright side of quiting..so i stopped reading! i didnt wanta concentrate on how long other ppl said it took 2 get over the withdrawals..its diff 4 every1 & depends on ur will power i think. So, my advice 4 any1 lookin 4 sum, is 2 not worry bout a time frame on gettin thru it all, but rather what u get 2 look 4ward 2 when ur clean..LIFE IS GREAT when u r drug free!!!
ilovecalinclayton 2 months ago 2
im now bak @ wrk after a little over a month of being off. i feel GREAT & am actually makin more money than b4 i quit the subs. im on a production job that depends on how fast u wrk, & it amazes me how much more i get done now that im clean. i thought b4 that i was hauling tail, but now that im clear headed, i see just how much i was slacking in lots of aspects of my life! i feel like a better mom 2 my daughter now & plan 2 b a good mom 2 my lil boy when he gets here 2.
ilovecalinclayton 2 months ago
i didnt want my unborn child being drugged 4 9mo, so i decided id quit & even tho the withdrawals were VERY difficult on top of all the pregnancy symptoms, i knew it HAD 2b done & set my mind 2 it. I was laid off wrk a week after i quit subs so i didnt have 2 worry bout working, but i think it would have been easier if id had somethin 2 keep me busy. The worst part 4 me besides insomnia & the physical symptoms, was the time dragging by! BUT, it doesnt last 4ever & gettin clean is def worth it!!
ilovecalinclayton 2 months ago
ive been off subs 4 a lil over 2months now & feel GREAT! i found out i was a few weeks pregnant & decided 2 stop. I did it w/out dr supervision(not recommend) but it worked & i feel better than i have n yrs! i cut bak over a couple weeks frm 1/2, then 2 1/4, & then 1/8 & jumped completely off. went thru a month of hell but after that it was a piece of cake! i was lucky 2b blessed w/a reason 2 wanta quit..found out this week ITS A BOY!! : )
ilovecalinclayton 2 months ago
...You are not just coming off suboxone. You are reaching baseline after years of opiate abuse and years of suboxone. The neurophysiology is your brain must start to create pathways and produce what you have been giving it freely for years. The human body is resilient though, and natural dopamine is way better than any analgesic. Ride that shit out!
udishiding 2 months ago
@udishiding What I'd like to know is how long it actually takes for your brain to restore itself. I've never seen any official aka scientific data regarding this. My doctor once said that it could take 15 months for you to begin producing endorphins again. Well...I'm almost at 15 months...and wondering if anything will happen...and maybe I will start feeling really good instead of just so-so???
alternatehistories 2 months ago
Great Video. This is my seventh day suboxone free. Been on aprx 4mg for 2 years, and have a lengthy analgesic history. Not sure about naloxone blocking natural dopamine; however the as you said, the extreme half-life of of buprenorphine means those receptors are occupied for a long period. Nonetheless, this is one of the best videos out there on this subject.
udishiding 2 months ago
I'm off 7 days...it's 4 a.m,. maybe later, idk. but I'm awake, can't sleep, can't eat and every cell in my body aches to all hell. I'm kickin like crazy. my back is killing me. don't bother with subs. it doesn't minimize withdrawal. believe me. thanks for the info...
pamt1229 2 months ago
@pamt1229 This will stay with you for several months..Watch out of the extreme depression.
Keirronful 2 months ago
@pamt1229 Try generic Immodium - take four 2mg caplets an hour before bed. Believe me, it will help relieve the restless legs. If you take Xanax in conjunction with the Immodium, you should get some sleep. You can't do this every day obviously because you definitely don't want to get hooked on Xanax. The insomnia is one of the most frustrating aspects of withdrawal...but it is relatively short-lived. It sucks but the funny thing is you aren't really tired.
alternatehistories 2 months ago
Thanks for this video buddy. Im surprised your withdrawals lasted a month? Or did it?? At a month off suboxone i felt pretty good, but at about 5 weeks PAWS set in and the last couple months I have been horrible, some ways more horrible than the first month. I dont have that constant "reved up" feeling anymore which is great. Im 3 months clean today...hopefully it will pass soon!
bmwm321m 3 months ago
@bmwm321m It's normal for you to experience PAWS. My WD's lasted 4-6 weeks and I felt great for a couple of months after that. BUT, at about month #6, I woke up one morning feeling withdraw-ey. The whole process of getting back to TRUE normal takes one year. My doc once mentioned that it can take up to 15 months for your body to begin producing its own endorphins again.
alternatehistories 3 months ago
@alternatehistories Once on suboxone and/or off it you will never ever feel the same granted...You will alwyas have PAWS and depression for the rest of your life. The suboxone cuts out the serontine level for good and thats why you can never ever recover to pre-suboxone way. If you was on suboxone for over 2 months then you'll never ever be the same. Granted.
Kellystarrr 2 months ago
@Kellystarrr You have a plausible theory there...but I've not seen those long-term effects discussed in the scientific literature. You might be mistaking cause and effect. Most people on Suboxone have a long history of heavy opiate use....perhaps THAT is the cause of PAWS, depression, low-serotonin levels. I'm not saying you're wrong...you may very well be right...but I'd feel better when I see it officially stated in scientific journals. Maybe the pharma company has an expensive cure for PAWS.
alternatehistories 2 months ago
@alternatehistories I agree the suboxone DOES have long term implications..There is not much scientifc record because they have not done studies and patiens are still guinea pigs..Many have been diagnosed with extreme long term depression from suboxone.. The PAWS is long with suboxone, not other short opiates. Eveb methadone is less gruelling compared to suboxone. You feel just as bad on suboxone but being off it is not going to happen because serontin level will always b low
easynowww 2 months ago
@alternatehistories Watch out for the extreme long depression from sub detox..The PAWS are extreme from suboxone...Trust me on that..
Keirronful 2 months ago
@Keirronful I guess everyone responds differently. Depression has never been an issue for me. PAWS come and go. I'm at 15 months off Suboxone and I'm finding that, as time goes on, the PAWS get weaker and the outbreaks are further apart. So...to people about to quit, I'd say to expect it to take at least a year before you feel totally normal. The worst part is the first six weeks...after that you can easily deal with it.
alternatehistories 2 months ago
@bmwm321m It wont pass soon. This guy relapsed after 2 months and is now back on Suboxone..His name is dragonovic (nick name).
Kellystarrr 2 months ago
I'm going through this right now. You ARE going to have to go through some withdraws. I used Subs to kick a heroin habit years ago, but only took it for 3 or 4 days and it worked great. But, years later, that opiate craving started coming back and before I knew it, addict AGAIN. This time round I took Subs longer because they worked so great the first time. This time, not good at all. Withdraw from Subs is A LOT longer. Helpful tips: Clonazepam for sleep. Stay active, force feed yourself!
Jarifman 4 months ago
@Jarifman How many days off the subs man? I'm on day 26 and feeling like a new man, let me know if I can help or give advice.
mjwible27 4 months ago
@mjwible27 Any advice would be much appreciated. I'm on day 26 today as well. Weird? I'm still feeling the withdraw, though it's strange because it comes and it goes. One moment I'll be feeling almost normal and the next I have the creepy crawlys. Some nights (like last night) I sleep fine, but most nights I need at least 1mg of Clonazepam for sleeping. I'm pretty sure the worst is over. When I do feel like crap it's not as bad as say day 5 was. It's tappering off...though slowly.
Jarifman 3 months ago
@Jarifman Yeah, the guy who made this video really doesn't respond to anyone, so you're on the same day as me, good shit man.
K, the only thing that I'm going thru is not much sleep, waking up a lot, but other then that, I feel great.
Take Ibuprofen through out the day, it helps a ton and some sort of exercise as well. I say about another 7 to 10 days and you'll be just fine. This is my 2nd time stopping, last time I went 3 months, shouldn't have came back to them.
mjwible27 3 months ago
@Jarifman day 5 hell on earth
ant5399 3 months ago
@ant5399 The 1st 14-17 days are the worst. It will eventually, but slowly taper off. I know people say not to take benzos for this, but believe me...the more you sleep the better you feel. I'm still feeling it after what, 8 weeks, but where it was a 10 the first 2 to 3 weeks, it's now about a 2 on the worst days. Valum, Xanex, or Klonipin are your best alternative for sleep. Just don't abuse them.I feel great over all. The depression is gone and the only thing lingering is the lack of energy.
Jarifman 2 months ago
Hi, I am beginning my third month on Suboxone. Was a heavy opiate user, but I have spinal issues and severe chronic pain. My dr. says Suboxone is so safe, I can take it for the rest of my life, to control my pain. My pain used to be on a scale of 1-10 at about an 8 every day. Now it is a "1" or less! Amazing! I don't know if I'll ever stop taking Sub. I just hate the bitter taste, but if it means being pain free, then there is nothing to complain about. No cravings anymore either! YAY!!
blackberrybunny 4 months ago
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osubeavers05 4 months ago
yeah i find omega oils and galic is great. also magnesium vit b6 zinc vit c help speed up brain function and repair liver :-) good advice on this tube!
TheAlexisaac1000ify 4 months ago
@TheAlexisaac1000ify Supplements dont do nothing for opiate detox let alone sub long acting opiates..Suppelments are for malnourished babies from the third world, and dont do shit for opiate related withdrawals, gosh so many morons.
Kellystarrr 4 months ago
@Kellystarrr i feel for you with such a negative view, and cant help but wonder are you still trapped in an active addiction, because all your comments are without hope. Or are you just trolling? supplements are probabally not going to ease withdrawals, but they will help rebuild the body, and boost its ability to heal, which means they will help the body to eliminate toxins that have built up over time. Its a case of nourishment, versus toxins.
Artfulskribbler 4 months ago
fuck man i fuckin withdrawl so bad from suboxone i been off 4 2 weeeks still sick
europhiCc 5 months ago
realdeal- are you still off? and btw are you MARRIED???
justofreakinwatch 5 months ago
Good video! Thanks for the honesty and for being real. This will help me. :-)
TKRPAIN 5 months ago
I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. ive been taking suboxone for 10 days now..My doc gave me a moths worth of 8 mg strips. the first time i took a whole strip it rocked me..I was fucked up till like 3 in the morning..had to go to work ..I didn't like it...So the next day i took half a strip and it still gives me a hell of a buzz..then makes my pupils small..And i get real tired..ive been taking just one half of a strip for 9 days...But it still gives me a buzz and makes me tired.Any one else experience this
DiSwHiTeBoY2KrAzY 5 months ago
@DiSwHiTeBoY2KrAzY sounds to me like your dose is still too high, it seems wierd that you have not been monitered for the first few days, as where i live, they moniter a persons dosage, to see if they have prescribed a correct dose
Artfulskribbler 5 months ago
@Artfulskribbler my doc says its better for me to find the right amount to take as long as its not mere than 2 a day. so basically im supposed to find the amount im comfortable with..idk...ive tried different dosages for a couple days it all makes me tired .
DiSwHiTeBoY2KrAzY 5 months ago
@DiSwHiTeBoY2KrAzY do you need them? are they prescribed to come off a different opiate? i'm a bit confused, can you get 2mg's , maybe they just dont agree with you?
Artfulskribbler 5 months ago
@Artfulskribbler ya.. i need it..ive been addicted to pin meds for about 5 years...right before i got subs i wa taking bout 30 perk 5's a day.... so i dont no why it makes me so tired..but id rather be tired the going through withdraw..And im trying to tke the least amount of subs i can..So its easier to get off of...
DiSwHiTeBoY2KrAzY 5 months ago
@DiSwHiTeBoY2KrAzY I used to take it before bed because it knocked me out. Cut the dose if you don't want a buzz. Its a very very potent narcotic, 25-40x as potent as morphine.
Stillwater900 5 months ago
Wow. Brought a tear to my eye. Thanks for the positive message. I've been through this, and that RLS, in the arms. Power to you man. Would love to know how you are doing now in 2011. Send me a msg if you read this.
jagfug 5 months ago
i guess that what people put out, is a reflection of their own inner world, glass half full, glass half empty. people need to learn to take a bit of responsibility for their own state of being. It is a typical junky trait to be caught up in victim mode..........when i read these comments before my detox, they terrified me. now i just see sweeping generalised statements written by the unconcsious.....maybe they should spend some time addressing their own issues, instead of projecting on to others
Artfulskribbler 5 months ago
I forgot to say that my only fear of falling into depression.because sub change your brain....he is antidepress. and after when you get off you feel like you lose something,you felling down.I dont want feel empty....I heard that is so for some time....sub fuck your receptors and you.....fuck drugs....i wish to be normal....but they say that time heals....so will we see....by all the people living for today(lennon):-)))))
MrMarkec24 5 months ago
@MrMarkec24 The depression will be "HARD" and it will stay for years on end. Thats tthe issue with suboxone, even if you take suboxone for 2 months you will be really badly depressed for a year and over so you can imagaine how bad the long term users get it. The suboxone or subutex does something to the brain that it permantly puts you a in really depressed state forever, you have to adapt to it. Even antidepressants wont do nothing. Its too late for long term sub users but u can stil warn ppl.
2011Lightening 5 months ago
@2011Lightening this is a potentially damaging sweeping statement, that is not true
Artfulskribbler 5 months ago
hy everyone....sorry my english isn't so good when i'am typing....ok I came from CROATIA(in europe,near italy) and i have been on subutex for about 1 year....and now it has been 10 days since i took last sub.well this guy is talking realistically.I feel much better now,and still isn't over yet,but 2 week's and you will be free.....get it off isn't so hard,just first 5-6 days....no sleep,and the rest shit....now I sleep about 6-7 hours....with some pils for calm down....good luck and stay hard
MrMarkec24 5 months ago
thank you I am looking for ways to help my son get off subutex... up all night... I think he has an allergy as he throws up all the time ... 1mth of herion...2 yrs suboxone/subutex...what a sequeli of a choice
mzkimball 6 months ago
@mzkimball i have been off subs now since june 21st, i do not feel depressed, in fact i feel empowered to get my life back, obviously there is going to be a period of adjustment, for anybody. but your son would have to really have had enough, no matter how much you love him, it is something someone has to do for themselves, having said that support is a blessing to anyone, he sounds very lucky to have that. Please dont believe some of the negative posts on here. good luck to you and your boy.
Artfulskribbler 5 months ago
maybe the people, posting some of the mumbo jumbo- no hope for anyone on subutex- comments, are trying to achieve something positive by putting people off taking it in the first place. The thing is, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that most people checking this site, are doing so, because the title is related to coming off suboxone/subutex ..FINALLY (as it says in the title). It is not helpful to anyone to hear that there is no point in bothering, as they are fucked for life
Artfulskribbler 5 months ago
do poisons take out/use up our alkaline minerals- do people have a way to put them back in- in other words- is the high or paralysis due to our chemical changes from taking toxic drugs- is the after effect the down- due to chemical imbalance- what minerals make up the dopamine or other mood altering chemical our nerves/glands make?do our minerals stay the same/normal after poisons are taken in- this can be measured by yr doc- hope you can REMAIN off poison when stressed-read dr carl pheiffer
lmollot 6 months ago
@lmollot Its got nothing to do with "minerals." They don't make up "dopamine or other mood altering chemical." English doesn't look like your first language, Your post is very weird.
Stillwater900 6 months ago
Kan someone please help me to translate whats he saying, I think it we help me much. I am from Sweden and i dont understand everything you say.
Baze44 6 months ago
It's actually the buprenorphine that blocks your receptors not the naloxone. Naloxone is just in there to discourage it's abuse although I'm unsure of it's effectiveness in that regard.
mizzamoe 6 months ago
@mizzamoe Yeah man, there are thousands of reports of people shooting Suboxone online, apparently it does nothing
Stillwater900 6 months ago
5 days of subs was down to 1mg i was taking 8mg paper suboxin and cutting it down to 8 doeses and now im off 5 days and starting to feel crazy with no sleep and feeling like i could die FUCK YOU DRUG COMPANIES !!!
jbott614 6 months ago
@jbott614 how are you doing?
Artfulskribbler 6 months ago
thank you!!! i'm down to 8 and it's been 4 and a half years.......i find the more active i am the better i feel going down
TheAlpag 7 months ago
This is my story for those it may help, a little background on myself first, I'm a 31 year old male, no dramatic childhood or anything like that, I started taking t-3s recreationally when i was about 21, by 23 years old i was fully dependent on them, I was only taking about 10 a day just not to get sick, my hook up for t-3s, dried up about 8 months ago and a oxy hook up fell on my lap, I started taking oxy to not withdrawal from the t-3s, I was taking about 3-4 40s a day, I was taking the oxy b
bckid420 7 months ago
just eat a bunch of iboga guys
burgerkingmurders 7 months ago
@burgerkingmurders Tried iboga and it made things worse for me. First gave me few days of cleaness but then a week later withdrawals and mainly paws came down crashing on my body and brain. I thought I messed up my brain from iboga. I dont think for methadone and suboxone and morpphine maitenence that iboga does anything. My trip wasnt so bad of iboga but it did not take away withdrawals or paws. The side effects of iboga are real and too dangerous.
Solarlad 7 months ago 21
@Solarlad I can think of nothing worse when withdrwaing than taking a hallucinogen. It only seems to work for a hanful of people, most say its awful..
Stillwater900 6 months ago
Thanks for sharing
M0DiFiEDZ 8 months ago
I made that comment like a long time ago....I am off now thanks
isiswintermagick 8 months ago
@Artfulskribbler i agree with what you said and have experienced exactly what your talking about. This whole thing sucks all around. Failed at day 9 on my last attempt in Feb 2011. Will give it another shot in August. The long drawn out part of sub wd is to me the hardest part to deal with. Even though the H is damn viloent and intense and i had a strong sense of panic after 3 days i cud tell i was geting a lil better each day. Subs day 8 was as bad as day 3 form me. But not quite as horrid
ods1ODS 8 months ago
Anyone else go back and forth from oxy to subox depending on availability?
NaughtyVampireGod 8 months ago
your a nitz!
TheYbuck 8 months ago
God bless you! Your stronger then me! I jump off 16mg to nothing and I'm going on 2 weeks now. I couldnt take it so I got on tramodol to help and it has. Tramadol doesn't have opiates in it so withdrawal from that aren't near as bad as subs. I know it probably not the right way to get off but it works for me.
daisygrantt 9 months ago
hey did you end up staying off soboxone ????
ashleyryanxo 9 months ago
very helpful info, my husband has been on suboxone for almost 13 weeks, he was a perc/oxy user for almost 3 yrs. I am a strong believer in the supplements, exercise and keeping busy, he is also a smoker and heavy coffee drinker.
judystran 9 months ago
I took it for 5 days and was done. Do you think that Doctor's are just keeping people on it to make the money?
MsJgreen77 10 months ago
@MsJgreen77 YES YOU R RIGHT! Subox is only for withdrawals. Then you stop. I dont understand how people are being tricked to take it for more than 5 days. YOU NAILED IT. 5 days max.
darrenzimm 9 months ago
@darrenzimm I can say that after the 5 days it was still hard but, it is about will power! I thank God that I am off of the pain meds, they were killing me and I wasn't abusing them, I took them as prescribed. Doctor's should be punished for keeping people on Opiates, just my opinion though. God bless you and stay healthy!
MsJgreen77 9 months ago
But now I feel no different from when I was on oxy. I need this Suboxone or else I will be sick. And now it's like I just take it to feel normal. I wish there was an easy way to stop but it's far from easy.
greend614 10 months ago
I look up to you. I've been on Suboxone for 2 years. The worst part is I get them off the street because I can't get a doctor. I pay 10 bucks for 8mg. I hate it. At first I thought I was great because I was saving so much money from not buying oxys
greend614 10 months ago
yes! suboxson have nalaxson and that is opiatie blockator
djoniMoroni 10 months ago
They say it takes rougly 7 years before your brain goes slightly back to normal. I've looked so much things up. I've had depression my whole life, actually, i'm "bipolar," and refused to take medication. PAWS may bring hard depression, but there's no difference from before to now.. except the fact that i can easily do some sub to take it away. But it's faux happiness. People can't stop their depression, anxiety, ADD meds either..no different. They quit for a few months and go back. I won't!
kismetdaisy 10 months ago
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easynowww 10 months ago 3
There is hope. There's a very small percent that do it--And being realistic is the best thing one can do in this situation. But I refuse to be on this shit forever. Fuck that. But I've seen it...first hand.... He could of relapsed, but one thing I know now..if I ever do relapse, it will be another opiate. Not suboxone. I'll be getting high off of it.
kismetdaisy 10 months ago
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easynowww 10 months ago 2
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easynowww 10 months ago 4
@easynowww Kids turn out disabled? Man shut the fuck up you dont have a clue.... SMACKHEAD.
RuleBritannia69 9 months ago
@RuleBritannia69 Infact stats show anybody who has used an opiate for a month and over in their lives and have children the chances are very HIGH children will indeed turn our disabled, not just in the pshycal aspect but mental too, even small traits such as having a weak mind, sleeping about i.e speacially girls who cant say no to sex, boys who turn out voilent, why do you think opiate parents have so much trouble with their kids? even if the parents become clean. So I believe it.
SonyaOOOlights 9 months ago 6
@SonyaOOOlights ...............absolute bollox
Artfulskribbler 8 months ago
@SonyaOOOlights But opiates have never been shown to damage DNA.. and they're water soluble, they don't build up in the body, and the endogenous opioid system reregulates itself a week or two after discontinuation. I've been researching opioids for 10 years and I have never heard those "stats" or anything close to it. Where did you hear this
Stillwater900 6 months ago
@Stillwater900 Opiates dissolve your brain rapidly and the suboxone rapidly destroys your liver believe it. Its because of enzymes of the liver and the brain fog mode that people get long lasting paws. The depression is the worst because its "HARD" and long lasting, perhaps forever. For users who have used sub for over 2 or 3 months it can be too late to do anything about depression and liver but you can always warn the newbies not to take sub and come off it after few weeks.
2011Lightening 5 months ago
@2011Lightening "Opiates dissolve your brain rapidly"
Wow.... You just made that up. In 10 years of researching opiates, (the hard technical stuff too), I have NEVER read that opiates dissolve your brain, nor can I think of a mechanism by which it would occur. Praytell, where did you hear this?
Stillwater900 5 months ago
@2011Lightening I read lots of the reports of high liver enzymes with long term Suboxone, and in every single case, they returned to normal after discontinuation, even a woman who had been on it for 4-1/2 years. So the liver is clearly not being "destroyed."
Stillwater900 5 months ago
@2011Lightening "Brain fog mode" -- Never heard of that. What you are not grasping is the fact that the effects opiate agonists/antagonists are not permanent, as I said, unless the opiate was a permanent antagonist, the endogenous opioid system will reregulate itself, excess receptor sites shut down and enkephalin levels will rise. You wont be depressed "forever," nor have I EVER, EVER read a report of it happening
Stillwater900 5 months ago
@Stillwater900 well said.
Artfulskribbler 5 months ago
@Artfulskribbler ; ]
Stillwater900 5 months ago
@2011Lightening You are obviously very scientifically naive, you shouldn't go around posting things like that if you have no idea what you're talking about.
Stillwater900 5 months ago
Obviously, i've tried to quit a lot lol. Unless it's for good, it's not quitting though.. and there's hardly anyone that can stick with it.. but for those that do, that's awesome.
kismetdaisy 10 months ago
No matter what, there's always a mental complex to it..You definitely aren't 100%, but I see people that have a terrible time with it, and some that have minimal problems.. It's nice to at least think optimistic, as hard as it is. Personally, I feel like i'm going insane when I try to quit. 2 weeks or 2 years--It does eventually get better.. The mind fuck that comes with it is inevitable..But I see your point that it is not as good as he makes it sound.. It sucks :-\ But he did it..
kismetdaisy 10 months ago
@kismetdaisy You dont knw if he did it....Many folks aren't going to admit relapsing or going back on sub when PAWS-Depression hit them Hard!!!..Over 90% of users cannot quit because of the serve hard-core-depression-PAWS which comes with it..Also the fact while "YOUR ON IT" you feel just as worse..Basically many people try to actually commit suicide because of Buprenorphine-Suboxone-Subutex-Buprenex. There is sadly no hope, am only being realistic for you and trutful.
SonyaOOOlights 10 months ago 3
Ah well.. It truly depends on the person. There's no easy way around it. I've had friends that were in w/d for 2 months straight, didn't feel normal for 2 years.my ex was in jail 2 months-- was sick for 14 days-And he's having no problems what so ever-was a sub user for 4 years, Each person is different. PAWS affect many of us, but not all. I quit for 6 months-was sick for 3 weeks--Didn't suffer bad PAWS.. But here I am again, been sick for a month. Rehab it is. Being ready is key.
kismetdaisy 10 months ago 2
so happy for you. nothing that makes me more happy than to hear Sub success stories. Ppl call me crazy, but I wish I was still on oxies. It wasn't nearly as bad as Suboxone. I think some of the oxy withdrawal, your stomach being sooo nauseated, is worse than Sub w/d as far as intensity-- but it doesn't last nearly as long.. Last time I quit sub, I was sick for 2 months straight. Now i'm back on it. I can't do it on my own. And rehab for suboxone..pssh-they dont know what im talkin about!
kismetdaisy 10 months ago
@kismetdaisy This guy on the Video actually suffered PAWS for 2 years. He told me, and thats why he didnt post another video for 2 years either. Sorry to tell u its not a success story. U can wean low and slow as u want but will still suffer hardcore sever depression-PAWS, that's guaranteed!!!..
SonyaOOOlights 10 months ago 2
suboxone is the silver bullet that kills heroin addiction...
adamk1775 10 months ago
@adamk1775 "suboxone is the silver bullet that kills heroin addiction..." Yeah, it killed heroin addiction, but then your addicted to Suboxone!! The people who believe that are the ones who get hooked on it hardest. Don't be naive you fool
Stillwater900 6 months ago
@Stillwater900 Fool huh? I used a quick detox method with the suboxone. I decreased my dosage every other day. I was off in two weeks, and never looked back. Don't hate on me because you are weak. In fact, kiss my ass...
adamk1775 6 months ago
@adamk1775 So you clearly had a baby habit. Don't tell people with real addictions that its a "silver bullet," some of them might believe you. Go finish your homework, its almost bedtime.
Stillwater900 6 months ago
@Stillwater900 Haters Gotta Hate... Until you man up, Have fun getting sick...
adamk1775 6 months ago
Thanks for the video, and congrats! I've been on soboxone for 10 months. About 3 months ago I weaned down from 2- 8/2mg strips a day to 1.5 8/2mg strips. And this week started the drop to 1 1/4. I was to quick in dropping to 1 1/8 and suffered. Its a slow process. Soboxone treatment was there for me when my life was out of control. As part of the program, I am in CBT, with an incredible shrink. My life is really changing, future looks good! Thanks for the video and stay clean! ;-)
peterpetrovich 10 months ago 2
i need help also....im on subutex and i want off.....i dont know what im doing, i keep thinking if i take more i will get high???? can you help me? what can i do?
isiswintermagick 10 months ago
@isiswintermagick not sure what your saying, you say you want off, and then wonder about taking more......will you get high??? is that a worry, or is it something your wanting? there is a lot of negative stuff about sub on here, and i would agree that its not all its cracked up to be, i would agree its good for a quick detox, to ease the withdrawals off other opiates, however it also gives stability and a chance to make changes for those whose lives have become chaotic through drug use.
Artfulskribbler 8 months ago
go fuck your self sonya. im off and good. live your life be free. marijuana helps alot.
PhilthySBs 11 months ago
@PhilthySBs it does help a lot, it helped me shift my head space, if it was dropping into the negative zone
Artfulskribbler 6 months ago
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zmzizi 11 months ago
day 15 and every day gets better, ive been through the struggle, stay strong and stay at it!
JGhipHOP101 11 months ago
R.E.S.P.E.C.T it's not easy to talk about this in a Video!!! I recommend to stay on subutex till you quit! Suboxone really can turn of you own opiat!
74pbg 11 months ago
@74pbg once ur on sub u cant quit, statsshow over 76.4% of suboxone users for over 5 months have suicidle feelings when they quit..Over 93.% of suboxone users for over 8 months tend to stay on suboxone and never quit because of withdrawals and fears. Stats also said suboxone effects the liver equivlent to 3 bottles of small vodka drinks everyday. For example 1mg of suboxone is equalled to 3 vodka small bottles. Hence of why liver-enzymes are messed up when detoxing, hence of withdrwals and PAWS.
SonyaOOOlights 11 months ago 50
@SonyaOOOlights
just another pharmaceutical government trap. and i am no conspiracy theorist. just personal experience. i am off of it now for about 2 weeks.... it was harder to knock than oxys and dope
Jmeez69 11 months ago
@Jmeez69 You only been off sub 2 weeks, wait for 1 month and 4 months or even 6 months. Am anti-sub actually but fact is people feel suicidle as they can't handle months and years of paws which mostly will never ever end period!!!!!!!!!!......The depression is the worst, even if u never ever had depression issues before.
SonyaOOOlights 11 months ago 3
@SonyaOOOlights i know people that have come off subs sucessfully. it is not easy, and you have to reach a point within the core of yourself, that really wants it to work. it is not just a matter of stopping a substance, there will be a lot of other issues that need adressing, patterns of thinking, and behaviour etc There is no easy way out from long term opiate abuse, and people need to realise this. But your comments i feel, are doing more damage than good.your negativity is not helping anyone
Artfulskribbler 8 months ago
@Jmeez69 So how are u doing now? im on my 8th day andd would have to agree that subs was harder then H. For me when i cold turkey'd H i was better by now. Subs is a deceptively powerful substance.
ods1ODS 11 months ago
@ods1ODS each time you come off H, it gets harder, and the withdrawal takes longer. coming of the H, will be more intense, and off the subs will be more drawn out. This is why it is better for a quick detox, the trouble is with a quick detox, unless someone is within a very supportive environment, the chances of relapse will probablly be high.. subs are very deceptive, they say after two years of use, it will be like coming off methadone, also a big nasty, with long drawn out withdrawals
Artfulskribbler 8 months ago
@SonyaOOOlights .. I see your stating the stone cold facts about suboxone. The part where you say suboxone is damaging to the liver just as vodka is seems encouraging for Suboxone users to either ween off of the drug, or to stop taking it. I feel that is positive information for us opiate users to feed on. (Because you know its not always positve in an addicts mind) So why on earth would you put the negative vibes out in the first part of your post. Some of us ARE trying to get better.
TheJumboSanduki 11 months ago
@TheJumboSanduki Am only speaking from research, facts dont lie, stats dont lie, reality doesnt lie and truth doesnt lie. Am anti-sub actually and anti-opiates-drugs, but we can't run away from the Truth. We can't be in-denail about this. Infact Buprenorphine dose of 0.4mg is equivlent to a massive bottle of Vodka. Why do u think folks get long drawn out withdrawals and paws from sub? because it effects the liver-enzymes. It shortens your life span and your more sceptable to viruses and bugs.
SonyaOOOlights 11 months ago
@TheJumboSanduki i'm with you on this one, i really dont see where this person is coming from, it seems that SonyaNOOOlights!! has nothing but a negative message, of no hope and futility. The guy from the vid, has a positive message, and there is nothing stronger than seeing someone get to the otherside of this stuff.
Artfulskribbler 8 months ago
I was on suboxone for 3 years daily right and then I started to lose intrest in life, this is called when the honeymoon period is over. By chance I had a live function test and my doc could not figure out why and when I told him I use to take suboxone he then went "ah ha" I tapered my dose to 0.1 and didnt feel right for months, it was hell. My liver messed up bad because of sub. Am getting an MRI scan now because I cant take these paws. The sub messes our bodies and brain, thats why the paws.
Solarlad 8 months ago 3
@Solarlad What are PAWS?
anphelps27 7 months ago
@anphelps27 Post Acute Withdrawl Syndrome i.e. feeling like the living dead x 1000
meattube4u33 6 months ago
@Solarlad Would you please take a second to elaborate on your liver issues from Suboxone? I've been on for years and am starting to get worried... Thanks a lot
Stillwater900 6 months ago
She is telling the truth though. I felt like majority of people do when we stay on sub and come off it. I know for sure most women wont date addicts, not the educated attractive ones anyway. To be blunt Ive never come across any couple where only the dude was on opiates and the woman was not. The woman either doesnt want to be with the dude or she gets out, unless shes on opiates too. I think children should be taken in care if their folks are addicts because it does influence them to an extent.
Solarlad 8 months ago 3
And I mean proper influence, obviously the children will be tempted to do opiates too or wont have a decent life compared to children whos folks are well off and educated. Thats why am not having kids at the moment because I dont want them to get some sort of disability or a cell missing, but damage could already be done.My doctor clearly told me if anybody has been on opiates in the past then there is a chance your breed could be affected by it, more so with men then women. I cant get off sub.
Solarlad 8 months ago 3
@Solarlad i just tried to send you a message
Artfulskribbler 7 months ago
@SonyaOOOlights I had to comment again with you. Everytime i see your bs i wonder if u get off on tryin to sabotage others sobriety. Yea maybe 93% stay on suboxone for life, as the stats read. And that may include you. But for the ones who really want what they set out for... thats the rest of us. Representing the 7th percentile ! hahah Go spread your negativity w/ your chat room friends
TheJumboSanduki 11 months ago
@TheJumboSanduki Am only speaking the truth and being realistic. Am against sub and everything actually. But am just reminding folks the harsh reality of this substance and how Buprenorphine has failed. Those 7% of folks only took sub for 1 week or/and cant get hold of it. Over 93% of People who stay on sub is because of Sub withdrawals, PAWS and the severe depression which comes with Suboxone. Thats harsh reality of it. The more one takes sub the more bored and unmotivated they get.
SonyaOOOlights 11 months ago
@SonyaOOOlights I understand the drawn out withdrawals and depression post detox. And i agree w/ you that bupe is one nasty drug. I'm wondering why they even came out with this drug if it attacks the liver enzymes so damagingly. And the sucess rate is the worst of any pill/drug out there. Can you help me w/ that question? Also I see now by your reply, that you have sencerity to your motives, and appologize on calling you out.
TheJumboSanduki 10 months ago
@SonyaOOOlights your comments are ignorant, and i'm not sure what your point is. This guy has a positive message to put out there, and i know of people that have quit subs......FACT. There is no easy way out of any opiate addiction, but this does not mean that its impossible, it does mean that the more prepared someone is, the better, and as for the comment on parents of those that have tried opiates, it is just plain ignorant.
Artfulskribbler 8 months ago
@Artfulskribbler I believe she has a point. I personally have never met or seen any subutex user quit and stay clean. Ive seen oxy users make it but I see methadone, subutex and heroin users hae a hard time. The subutex goes has a lot of affect on the liver enzymes, might not be directly related but does affect it, this am 100% sure and I agree with her.. I also know a family whos mom and pops are both addicts or were addicts but their child is brain damaged, so in that sense I believe its true.
easynowww 8 months ago 21
@Artfulskribbler There is some truth of offsprings suffering because of their addict and junkie parents. I know four familes where either the mother or father or both tried some opiates and some of their offsprings had mental health issues, one was born with partial sight and the other has got a disability, everybody in the neighbourhood knows it was because of their parents neglecting their own bodies, even though some parents stopped opiates many years ago. Kids can suffer because of it.
Kellystarrr 8 months ago 9
@SonyaOOOlights You are an idiot!!! Suboxone and Subutex are digested through the GI tract not the liver you ass do your research. Suboxone does almost no damage at all to the liver or kidneys, that is why so many people with hepatitis are on it. Its being prescribed as a painkiller now to patience who have any type of liver problem, due to its lack of damage to the liver!!!!!
ThePsiloeye 8 months ago
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easynowww 8 months ago
ThePsiloeye I know a friend whos liver got messed up because of the subutex. His liver was find before hand but since subbies his liver has gone downhill and he also got kindney stones. His doctor comfirmed this too. The subutex is kind of new and we dont know the long term affects. I actually agree with Sonya that the more you take it the more your brain, body, and your insides get messed up. I know another who also got brain lesions directly related from subutex. Be aware of what you praise.
easynowww 8 months ago 9
@easynowww Would you please elaborate on your friends liver from Suboxone? I've been on it a long time and I'm kind of worried now
Stillwater900 6 months ago
@Stillwater900 I had inflmation of the liver, my liver enzymes were totally messed up all directly linked to subutx, 3 doctors verfied that. I don't drink, didn't take any opiates except buprenorphine and I had some cells destroyed because of ibogaine. It's not only me who had these issues but tons of others. They also said sub doesn't give you withdrawals as such but they were wrong about that, so liver getting messed up by sub is certainly a reality. Thats the WDs linger on so long.
Solarlad 6 months ago 12
@Solarlad what were your symptoms ?
Artfulskribbler 6 months ago
@ThePsiloeye I use to be on suboxone and it turned out my post acute withdrawal syndrome were a result of bad liver and 8 brain lesions. I got the scan results to prove this. I mean I did not consume anything else other then suboxone and my health pre-suboxone was fine, bit of a coincidence then my lesions turned up and my liver test showed abornomal enzymes? stay away from suboxone. I weaned down the lowest dose 0.25 and still went through hell, espeacially the paws. Am sad it messed my health.
Kellystarrr 8 months ago 9
@SonyaOOOlights i've come off subs and i feel GREAAAAT
Artfulskribbler 7 months ago
@Artfulskribbler Do you feel better than you did when you were on Subs, like overall? I suspect its bringing me down
Stillwater900 6 months ago