So being gay is a choice is it? Okay, choose to be gay right now. Just for 30 seconds choose to be attracted to people of your own gender. Oh wait, you can't do it? Why not? Being gay is a choice right? Or maybe it isn't.
I could sit and tell you respectfully how I think Jews are inferior and belong in the gas chambers. I could even patiently listen to your point of view and respectfully reply to your points. Does that mean you're wrong be angry with me?
What you fail to recognise is that is doesn't matter if he put his point across calmly. He's still preaching a message of segregation and some might argue hate. Saying vile things in a respectful tone does not mean we should be happy with the person saying them. The man is a bigot and any ire he draws is deserved. Whether he hides behind a pleasant demeanour or not.
@Textra1 Good point. I do think it'd be wrong to be angry at you if you were arguing that the Jews deserve to be put into gas chambers, but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with you. All I'm wondering is why everyone seems to hate this man (although his views may be wrong), since he doesn't even seem to hate homosexuals. He's simply saying that he doesn't agree with the idea of gay marriage.
Firstly, don't conflate anger and hatred. Anger in and of itself is not a bad thing. They're angry with him not just because he doesn't agree with gay marriage, but because he wants gay marriage to be illegal. He is completely entitled to his opinion of course, but his rights end where yours and mine begin. He evokes vitriol despite his nice smile and friendly demeanour because what he is saying is hateful and based on the dogma of bronze age desert nomads. [cont]
If he choose to follow that dogma, that's his prerogative but he doesn't get to decide for others who they can marry. This man wants a law that enforces his bigotry and I think people have a right, even a responsibility to be angry at this. If one hold hateful points of view, i.e. gay people don't deserve the same rights as heterosexuals, then one should expect vitriolic responses.
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You are NOT born Sodomite why are you LYING! Science says NO GAY GENE! The Scripture says babies come from men and women, You can not Procreate Biology doesn't support your claim. Sodomy like Adultery and Fornication are SIN! You don't see Adulteres and Fornicators or Murderers asking for rights. Or to teach children a lie, Because they are "Born that way". Sodom and Gomorrah is your end. Homosexuality is sick and disgusting you should seek HELP!
Big Up Bishop! But Evil is in control of the World now. The Sodomites will be destroyed one day. They know they can never procreate! All their relationship are based on is who they have SEX with. They are a plague and an ABOMINATION to the World! They just make sure THE MOST HIGH will come sooner. And he's gonna knock their unbelieving, snide, little dirty, remarks down their nasty throats!
@request2000 Yeah because nazi's like you deserve to live. People like you are whats wrong with the united states and the world because you let a bunch of religious nonsense control everything you do. So it's perfectly acceptable for a man and a women to get married and the man beats the women and never truly loves here while two people who really have love for each other are not allowed to. Where is the reasoning in that? I thought marriage was two people coming together because of love.
@seattlefcfan11 Marriage is RELIGIOUS so why do Sodomites want it so bad? I comment to people who know TRUTH and not this PC BS. You can't change the Truth for some people's special agenda. Oh by the way the highest rate of Domestic violence occurs between homosexual men. But let's not let the facts get in the way. You can love a damn CockRoach for all I care. That won't make me teach my children or any children it's a "Alternative Lifestyle" Freak!
@request2000 It cant be a special agenda because you born gay, it's in our genetics. What has the bible ever solved, NOTHING! God never existed and religions are total crap because they put more into faitch then fact. Science is everything because it can prove to use how the world works and operates, religions are just full of lies and hate. You would try and warp the truth but the domestic violence are still single couples, stop watching faux news you gay bashing, jew killing nazi:P
No it's not. Want proof? Atheists can get married.
You can scream and type in all-caps all you like but it changes nothing. Marriage is not religious. Want more proof? Try getting married by a preacher and then not signing the legal documents. Your marriage would not be recognised by society. Try the reverse. Sign the legal docs but don't have a religious marriage ceremony. Your marriage is recognised. Ergo marriage; not religious.
@Textra1 It is not natural for a man to stick his member in the behind of another man. Nor for a man to do it to a woman. It is not natural for a women to put on a Strap on and give it to another woman. Or to put your head between the legs of another woman. just leave children alone. You want marriage based on Same sexual perversion. Marriage is for family. Sure some people can't procreate. But Sodomites can NEVER CREATE ANYTHING except AIDS
It's not natural to ride on the bus, fly in a plane or make absurd naturalistic fallacies on the internet.
"You want marriage based on Same sexual perversion."
A. It's not a perversion. 1 in 10 people are gay. About the same number as left handed people. B. What I want from marriage has nothing to do with you or anyone else. It's my personal private business. If your particular superstition says it's bad, good for you. Leave me out of it.
@Textra1 You know 1 in 10 people aren't homosexual. It is Sodomites who are running around harassing people to teach it in schools. Why should teachers have to teach what used to be a deviant sexual act as if it an alternative lifestyle. If that's how you feel keep it to yourself. Why do you Harrods businesses by having kiss ins, then when people object you want to Sue them. Why don't you keep your deviant behavior at home. Because you want to recruit children.
Gay couples should have the right to be married by the state just like hetero couples. As long as the state honors gay unions, who cares what the church thinks. I voted for Prop 8 and I'm a hetero black man. The church is not obligated to marry gay couples, but the state is obligated and church needs to stay out of state affairs.
lol Harry Jackson is a gay begot big time why not let people live there life the way they see fit along as they are not hurting each other and anyone else and not being all gay sex in my living room REALLY. No HOMO lol
This annoys me, these comments are ridiculous. You guys are hating on that anti black bishop, but all he did was saying his opinion! Would that make you hypocritical? That guy seems fair and just has a different belief, but he is no asshole. He didnt go nuts and complain with stupid reasons, he had legitimate ones
@RyoBeat0 his reasons are not legitimate.. we don't "choose" to be gay.. who would "choose" to be called "faggot" "maricon" "sissy" by total strangers?.. who would "choose" to get kicked out of the homes by their families? who would choose to be passed over for promotions or better positions at their jobs? who would "choose" to be an abomination according to their religions? no one that's who.. it's not a choice.. gay people are telling you it's not a choice and you refuse to hear the facts..
@brigantty i dont mean like that. I meant that he is calm about it, and i dont think bashing this guy is right. he said what he thought, i dont think it was right, but they're are other gay haters that rant off and curse them out, like what you said on this comment. he's not the one that calls you out on the street, its other people.. If people dont like gays, i dont mind it, but if people hurt they're feelings or harrass, then i get mad.
@RyoBeat0 i understand what you mean, but whether he said it nicely or ranted, it's basically still offensive.. how can he talk about our lives, when he hasn't had to walk in our shoes ever... how can he know what it's like or feel like..
@RyoBeat0 You can't reason with a Lie. I'm not a Christian nor Religious. Neither of those has anything to do with what is written in Scripture. The Scripture clearly states, They were made man and woman to become one Flesh Gen: 3:25. They want you to believe a lie so you will be decieved. But Sodomy is deadly serious and not to be taken lightly. Lev: 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is ABOMINATION!" Do you want your children to fall into a perverse lifestyle? cont
@RyoBeat0 All because you're trying to be understanding? Just look at what the Bishop is saying, he's not being nasty, mean or disrespectful. But he is being attacked by Sodomites and their lost supporters. It's because they are telling a Bold Faced Lie! The Scripture also tell us where babies come from. I guess they'll say that's a lie too. I only follow the Torah because the so called NT does in a way support all types of Don't let these perverts fool you with emotions.
Gay marriage is a question of civil rights, it should never be an issue decided by popular belief. Although people have the right to voice their opinions, in the end beliefs are irrelavent.
When you are fighting LGBT marriage,you are basically fighting the Devil!Marriage should be between one man and one woman till,and past the end!LGBT is unnatural.It is against God.It is a total abomination!LGBT marriage will be utterly destroyed one day.God will see to that!If you were to make LGBT a capital crime,people would wake up and stop dwelling in the Devil's house!Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness as the bible does say!Love dosent make LGBT okay!
you are funny..... that is your belief and my rights should not be based on your archaic belief system. this country is not a country that lives by your beliefs, we are country of diversity. The bible is a book written by men, not God..... get a clue...
@liw213 the devil.. you know after hearing all this crap from you so called christians, the devil is starting to become appealing.. after all if you're supposed to be the good guys and you're being such nasty creeps about the whole issue, how bad can the devil be?..
@liw213 I agree with with everything you just said. There are still more normal people then the so called "gays". But they have a rich, powerful lobby. Who the hell turned a lie into the Truth! This SS marriage BS is the end of the Country!
why would they ask a religious figure ANYTHING on this subject??? WTF DO U EXPECT THEM TO SAY? like asking charlie sheen if he likes drugs and hookers - the answer is obvious -.- i would rather see them talking to ppl who actually know the lgbt community and such things, not someone who bigots for a living
@PaNdAxSaMa that's just it, no one in our community cares what folks like this have to say... they just keep popping up giving their opinion no matter who's listening...
Listen dude. 50-60 years ago, blacks were being lynched and tortured in cold blood. Decades prior, blacks were enslaved and still tortured in cold blood. You guys have exactly the same opportunities as white people. But we can't be with someone of the same sex? Oh, and stop fucking blinking. It bugs me.
I applaud Bishop Harry Jackson for promoting discrimination against people he has never met simply because their lifestyles don't coincide with a mistranslated collection of Bronze Age mythology! Separate but equal FTW!
@ccg3332 Pedophillia wasn't mentioned as far as I noticed and isn't a part of the topic of discussion. Mentioning it in the same sentence as homosexuality on this topic therefore seems to be nothing more than an attempt at transfer propaganda.
Society isn't under threat... just as when black people gained more rights in the civil rights movement, this did not threaten society, likewise in the gay civil rights movement, gaining rights isn't a threat.
thing is jackson, that marriage is not just a christian institution. it's not even purely an abrahamic institution! name me 1 religion outside of the abrahamic religions that disallow homosexual marriage.
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The "marriage is as old as civilization" argument just fucking kills me. These nit-wits seem to forget that one man-one woman marriage entered into willingly by both parties, because of mutual love is barely a century old. Plural marriages, arranged marriages, marriages entered into to solidify business endeavors, ensure peace between tribes or countries . . . these are only a few of the practices that are "as old as civilization."
Hasn't that dipshit Bishop ever heard about the psychos who murdered gay people specifically because they were gay. Besides, that is a mindless appeal to emotion. "We went though more pain than you did, so we deserve civil rights more than you do." That's ridiculous. One role of the federal government is to protect the basic rights of minorities against the potential tyranny of a minority. In this case, gay people deserve that protection from these people.
Bishop Harry Jackson is gay. He's just another poor self loathing gay man that can't come to terms with his sexuality and so so becomes obsessed with demonising an stripping the rights away from anyone who can.
Im black and am for gay rights!!!!! This dumb religious whacko represents an ignorant portion of not only the black community but the American community community as a whole
Look. Homosexuality is not a solved scientific problem. If you research the scientific studies on this important issue, it is extremely ambiguous and raises more questions than answers. Genes are not 'things' that is in us. They are sort-of impulses. If, same-sex attraction is 'natural' then why is that natural selection gave it no purpose like opposite-sex attraction which is obviously pro-creation? There is no problem with loving a same-sex person but the problem is when it gets sexual.
@ETworldjone Genes are things that are in us (they are sequences of nucleotides) I.E. chemicals. They aren't impulses... if that implies that they have no corporeal basis.
Whether or not something is natural is irrelevant (to the morality of it). Many forms of modern medical care directly contravene natural biological mechanisms and save lives as a result.
A now relatively redundant point is that many animals exhibit homosexuality too.
yeah, thats a GREAT argument. "just because its a really old old tradition means its correct or unchangeable!"...WOW FUCKING AMAZING LOGIC. IM ALSO SURE that slavery was around for thousands and thousands of years.
@FuckUtube4Life2010 your statement is incorrect, first I'm not calling him a nigger, I'm calling him a "FUCKING" nigger. second I'm not calling him that for the reasons you stated. I'm refering to him that way because he stated in the clip that we gay men (and women) choose to be homosexual. as one may choose to be black, white , tall, short , blind , deaf or heterosexual. If he is entitled to believe so, then I'm entitled to beleive he choose to be a "FUCKING" nigger. thank you!!! :)
I agree that gays don't choose to be that way & its a mental illness that should be treated like any other sickness. I feel its very wrong tho to spread the lie among our youth that it is normal!
@TheG55coffia What criteria do you use to define a mental illness and what authority do you have to dictate the criteria used to classify mental dispositions as falling within the remit of this specialist, technical term?
Every major mental health (and medical) association in the United States does not classify homosexuality as a mental disorder.
What is normal is not synonymous with what is pathological or good or bad. A person can be abnormally kind and compassionate for instance.
@TheG55coffia we are not mentally ill.. we are happy, creative, intelligent, hardworking, beautiful people. people who tend to be compassionate and sympathetic, because of all the crap we've had to endure in our lives. people who can't think for themselves, who can't see past the bullcrap they're hearing from the pulpit or their bibles.. now, they're the ones' mentally ill..
If we re-define marriage as between any two people, at what limit is it stopped? Could a man or woman marry a child? What about people who want to marry objects? Is that their "civil right" to marry their dog or favorite painting. Marriage is between a man and a woman, this is for good reasons. I dont see "discrimination" in actual marriage
@jewishmafia1 It would stop at any two consenting adults, obviously. Marrying a child will always be considered wrong in western society, no matter the circumstance. As for marrying a dog, well I think marriage will always be exclusive to your own species.. as for your favourite painting, again same species, and obviously can't be an inanimate object...
@jewishmafia1 That's retarded. How will a heterosexual couple's marriage be jeopardized by allowing two gay guys to get married? Think hard about your answer and don't use that weak slippery-slope shit you just offered. We managed to let black people and women vote without allowing dogs and children and paintings to do it. I will almost guarantee you have no sound argument against gay marriage that can be defended in an intellectually honest way. Surprise me, please.
@chubbyruckus but, but, but, it goes AGAINST that big bearded guy in the sky!!!!!!! WE HAVE TO RESTRICT PEOPLES RIGHTS FOR A ANCIENT OUT OF DATE RELIGION!!!!
@BloodJunkie11 I wish they would just say that once in a while instead of making the equally ridiculous points about marrying dogs. It would help save a lot of time for everyone trying to have a real conversation. I would respect someone saying "Look, I'm a cunt. I think my religious beliefs should trump certain people's civil rights and that's that." I would berate them, of course, but at least they would be saying what they mean.
@jewishmafia1 Your comment here is what is known as a slippery slope fallacy. Here is an example of the same kind of fallacy: If we illegalize same-sex marriage, at what limit is it stopped? Could we illegalize opposite-sex (OS) marriage?
The illegalization of OS marriage is a totally independent issue from that of SS marriage, just as the legalization of SS marriage is from the legalization of any other form of marriage.
@jewishmafia1 i'm training my cat to sign her name, so that when the time comes, we can get hitched.. what a clown you are... what part of two consenting adults don't you get..
@74487S No, he just said that the judge has dealt a blow to the NATURAL marriage. I dont know about you, but that sounds like he is saying that a marriage between a man and a woman is natural, and gay marriage is not. If neither is natural, then I dont understand why he called one of them the natural marriage, and why it would matter
@cooolness3 I agree, bigots are crazy, don't talk to them, we are right, i was adopted by 2 hot lesbians, sometimes i masturbate watching my 2 moms kissings, but most of the time we are a normal family. Peace
Hmmm a natural man made union. If you can't even make a good reputation for marriage, the fuck are you doing criticizing how others use it? Focuse on your own marriage first. "I believe" is not an answer you coward.
Remember Bishop, that "the next generation" will be the ones who will be choosing what nursing facility you shall be put in until your end of days! By the way, my generation could give a damn if you were gay or not! If I were to put this Bishop in a nursing home, I would put him in one where they don't quite wipe his ass all the way clean! He should like that, since he is an asshole!
Baynard Rustin, the gay black civil rights activist who was the architect of the 1963 March on Washington before being thrown under the bus by Martin Luther King, Jr. recently said "Gays are the new niggers". This IS a civil rights issue "Reverand". I'll go with Mr.Rustin's wisdom over yours.
@whitesquirrel7 I personally feel like if straight peoples marriages suddenly fall apart just because the local gay couple got married, they have bigger things to be worried about than what gay people are up to
I'm all for the liberal side of things, but I actually enjoyed this discussion. The bishop wasn't being completely unreasonable like some people. I don't agree with the bishop at all, but he seemed to be relatively level-headed which I found very surprising.
i would neverrrrrrrrrr and ever i looove women why i m gonna look for the other me fuck damn that's disgastin every time i see those gays i vomiting realy
It must be hard being a liberal. Dividing everyone into groups based on sex, race, income, etc. At the same time, claiming that everyone is equal and should be treated as so. They're a contradiction to themselves.
@p0479 Huh? It's the conservatives that divide, and fight against equal rights for woman, blacks, workers, slaves, Chinese, Indians, and even fought against the idea of fighting the British for independence in the first place. That's right, conservatives didn't even want America to be it's own country. Liberals are the ones who are trying to make us all equals under the eyes of the law.
@p0479 Uh...no. Conservatives, by definition fight to keep things the same, or at least move very very slowly in terms of progress at best or go backwards at worst. So whenever a group tries to fight for rights, by definition it will always be conservatives who fight against the movement in question.
@ChakatBlackstar "very very slowly" in terms of Obama's economy? "keep things the same" like slavery? Over 90% of the black population continues to vote democrat under lies/false promises. Institutional slavery. Last I noticed, the black unemployment rate doubled that of the white unemployment rate. Chew on that.
@p0479 At what point was this Obama's economy? He first inherited it from Bush and everytime he's tried to do anything he gets fought with left and right by the conservatives who at first had just enough people to slow things down, and now have enough people in office to stop anything dead. And maybe the blacks vote democrat because they know the republicans are racist. They've never asked for a white president's birth certificate, or stopped a white from raising the debt ceiling. Chew on that.
It is all mathematics... Banning Gay Marriage Restricts Everyone 50%. A ban on marriage based on race restricts white people 30% (Since approximately 70% of the US is white) and restricts every other race 85% or more. One is a fair restriction, one restricts some people more than the other. That is the difference.
@dmh838 Banning same sex marriage does not restrict everyone 50%. It restrict gay people 100% from marrying somebody they love. It restricts hetero people 0% from doing the same.
@Jamieishere1 Im heterosexual, my roommate is homosexual... We cant marry each other for tax purposes (for the most part, the only part of marriage the government is concerned about). We are both restricted equally. Also, I don't need a title from the government to prove that he is my best friend. I might also like to add that I enjoy hanging out with him just as much as my girlfriend, just one I find way more sexually attractive than the other.
@dmh838 Assuming you and your roommate are the same sex, you are not equally restricted because while there's no possibility that you would love him, there is a possibility he would love you. It's also not just about you two of course. You could potentially marry anybody you ever come to love and they could not.
Many people do not care for marriage but because some do, it is unequal treatment to only allow it to certain people.
@Jamieishere1 I am glad love to you is based on looks. Personally, I can love something and not be physically attracted to it (IE a friend). There are many things that I "love" that I can not marry... Honestly, before I argue anymore, I need to ask you a question, are you arguing for gays to be able to marry, or are you arguing for gays couples to be able to get the same tax break as straight couples?
That you cannot marry your friends is in no way comparable to not being able to marry the person you love. Whether or not you claim to love a friend, it is a different type of love. You have the right to marry people you love as more than friends. As such, you need to justify why others should not similarly have this right.
Both marry and tax breaks. That separate but equal isn't equal is already established.
@Jamieishere1 Why are you claiming marriage to be a right? It is a made up thing... In my opinion, it is more of a religious term and should be separated from government. The government should see everything as a "domestic partnership" and give all the benefits of marriage to domestic partnerships. "Churches" can then go on to decide who gets "married." Its a win win situation for both sides and it isn't an appeal to emotion fallacy based argument.
@dmh838 Marriage is a right in so far as it is something that you enjoy, which means that denying it to others would be to treat them unequally I.E. to give yourself a special privilege. You therefore need to justify why you should be able to do that (I.E. justify the unequal treatment.
Marriage is a religious phenomenon and a legal contract, each of which are independent of the other. I agree anyway, the state should just give civil partnerships 2 all.. the general population wouldn't tho.
Why the fuck do they bring up the Constitution? Have any of these retards actually read that document? I can't believe Americans fall for these utter lies. There's not even any element of truth in what these people say.
@mrnotonly man made? God made marriage and ordained it when he made a man and a woman so how can it be man made? and even if it was it's obvious something is wrong when the same sex want to be united when they can't produce ! suppose animals became homosexuals they would all die out soon then how will we eat if they don't produce? !!
@PrincessAleandra90 Don't confuse your religious beliefs with reality =] marriage existed way before religion and is a legal system. Also same sex couples can reproduce due to sciene or adopt. The world is overpopulated and that is a idiotic fucking statement. Also why would they be more gays if they were allowed to marry are you suggesting all straight people are secretly gay. And finally animals fuck anything but just to entertian you if they died out we would become vegans and survive =]
@pandasftuw firstly the first marriage was between adam and eve and we studied this during the times of the jews and it was later passed on through out the world that story was a scroll and then written in the bible so it has nothing to do with my religious beliefs it has something to do with God making man and woman to be joined as one ! tell me how will to male reproduce that's something i'd love to see i'm not talking about just adopting because it still takes a man and a woman to do that
@pandasftuw and also with science you was still need a man and woman to reproduce because you need the male spirm to donate to the egg so there for it still the plan of God !! for male and female ! and the statement you call idiotic is the truth! that's your business if you believe in people living disgusting life style which are sins! and abomination ! i love all people but the sins we commit are sick ! the animals would die out if they go gay ! cuz there would be no reproduction !
@PrincessAleandra90 But women don't have to fancy men in order to reproduce via science also gays CAN adopted. And sweetie adam and eve are not historical you idiot. Also I hope you want to put to death all the cheaters and people who work on sunday because the bible is VERY clear on that. Animals don't do sexual identity. They just do sex. Marriage is a legal system hence why atheists can get marriage. Have you been living under a rock dear?
@pandasftuw your an idiot for gays to adopt a child a mand a woman had to come together right ? or if its two woman they need a man to donate to them@ adam an eve is historical you fool! an your dumber than i thought the bible says the sabath which is saturday!! an that's why Jesus came for us to get grace an mercy this this first i hear athiest can't get married because in my country any 1 can...animals had to have sex with the opposite in order to reproduce u sick human !
@PrincessAleandra90 How are adam and eve historical? Please tell me you are aware there is no factual evidence for anything in the bible. Lol I take it you believe people can live inside whales too? Lol
Also youu seem to struggle with reading try rereading my post. Also why am I sick for stating the FACT Animals don't do sexual identity. They just do sex.
@pandasftuw dealing with religion it has been a historical belief because we believe that's how the world started also about the israelites etc and Jesus they are all historical for us..and you may say that there is not factual evidence but you have no proof of that do you ? not because you don't believe it mean God doesn't exsist, also where is your proof that he doesn't? no you are sick if you think its normal for the same sex to engage in sex !
@PrincessAleandra90 Yeah I'm not conversing with anyone who doesn't grasp evolution you are no worse than a filthy holocaust denier. Denying evidence is not a belief that is called lying to yourself.
If it is so sick why do they PHYSICALLY (the bodies "god" made) feel pleasure
also why are you not as adamant about the death of divorcées? The bible is very clear about that you inconsistently stupid cunt.
@pandasftuw if you are not conversing with anywho doesn't grasp why are you replying back in the first place? and who said i don't believe in evolution your wrong ! because i never said i don't believe in it but i know who made it ! so it's nothing to do with denial it's the fact that i've experience God and i got my personal evidence ! it's sick because the devil has something to do with it! sin feels great ! not just same sex ! sin on the whole feels awesome does that mean it's good?
@pandasftuw they have serial killers and rapist who find pleasure in it does that make it right? are you out of your mind or what ? same sex is sick ! just like sleeping around and not married is sick !!! selling your body is sick! it's also sick ! and you never asked me about any divorce neither was our argument on divorce so what in the hell are you talking about? i'm against divorce ! if committing adultery ! or abuse to your life i think that's ground for divorce !
@pandasftuw your problem is you want to be gay or what ever it is that you do! you want to justify your actions as good but it doesn't work it doesn't matter if you acknowledge God or not! he's still real and you'd have to fave him one day and then you will have no excuse ! we are born in sins yes ! we have sins yes ! but we can ask to be forgiven and for God to deliever us from the devil's trap ! but you on the other hand call me stupid just because i'm against the gay policy !
@pandasftuw well so what! it's my opinion and i'm sticking with it ! i'm not saying i don't like the people ! but it's the activity i hate what is so disgusting ! and to make it worst to call himself a bishop ! that's a slap in God's face ! what bible was he reading?
@pandasftuw also you must be a homosexual because you are so highly offended !! it's the same as having sex without marriage !! it's against God ! same as being married and cheating which is adultery it's against God !!! so there for it's all wrong and you can't get around that !
@PrincessAleandra90 Why must I be a homosexual, If I fight racist does that mean I'm black? You can't seem to comprehend those immoral rules are for YOU and YOUR god. Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
You must be a hairy one bitch.the historic definition of marriage?" Varies. Lakota chief Crazy Horse had one or two male spouse(s) and many other Native American nations also had what we now call same-sex marriages. Ethnographers have documented this. Some examples: Omahas, Zapotec
But women don't have to fancy men in order to reproduce via science also gays CAN adopted. And sweetie adam and eve are not historical you idiot. Also I hope you want to put to death all the cheaters and people who work on sunday because the bible is VERY clear on that. Animals don't do sexual identity. They just do sex. Marriage is a legal system hence why atheists can get marriage. Have you been living under a rock dear?
@PrincessAleandra90 The oldest record of marriage is not Christian or biblical in origin fyi. It is the Code of Ur Nammu from ~2100BC. Construction of the OT stated around 1200BC at the earliest.
It is legal marriage that is debated anyway, not religious marriage.
Infertile couples, icnluding post-menopausal women "want to be united" yet people such as yourself don't seem to have a problem with that.
Some animals are homosexual and entire species are hermaphrodites or asexual etc.
@Jamieishere1 tell me something where did marriage come from ? even better where did a man an woman come from ? who was the one who said man an woman should become as one !! now when you find an animal as a homosexual bring it to my door step so i know it's real !
@PrincessAleandra90 Were you hoping for a description of abiogenesis, evolution or some form of cosmological explanation? Fortunately I don't have to be a cosmologist, evolutionary biologist or anything similar to respond to your point.
All improvement of any kind requires change away from the past so the premise you seem to be using... (that we should always keep things the same)... is not one you would consistently apply at all. I.E. it fails.
@PrincessAleandra90 I gave you the oldest known record of marriage, so that is as far back as we can trace it as far as I'm aware.
Whoever said a "man an women should become as one" is totally irrelevant to whether or not that is a valid point, which you have not yet established it as being. That somebody has previously said something does not automatically make it correct.
Gay penguins:
/watch?v=z01XLikQaOQ
I can provide more scientifically documented cases if you wish.
@PrincessAleandra90 You aren't stating your arguments/points, merely insinuating them but I shall assume that your request for a homosexual animal was something to do with the biblically-derived "homosexuality is unnatural and therefore bad" assertion.
Firstly, in the same way you have not needed anybody to bring Australia to your door step to know it's real, you should not require a gay animal at your doorstep to know it's real.
Secondly, many forms of medical care are unnatural. So what?
@Jamieishere1 i know australia exist because i know people from there ...i live in the bahamas where i see animals and not one day or even one time i have ever see a gay animal! thaat's like telling me there is a pot of gold at the end of the rain bow..if we all were homosexual our spices would die out long ago but God didn't design it like that so yes i require to see a GAY! ANIMAL in person and mate! lets see what they'll produce my answer so far is nothing :s
I gave you a video link on homosexual animals. I'll PM you that again and a study on one, which links to many other studies on them. It's rare to even see animals mate so that you haven't personally seen them do so homosexually is unsurprising.
If we were all female, our species would die out. So what? If we were all gay, our species would not die out... we could still procreate.
as part of the anti gay community i think we should let the homos get married. think about it. if it is so natural they will die off anyways. THEY CAN NOT REPRODUCE!!!lol gay gene...what a bunch of crock!
You beat around the bush so much!!!! If you stand against or for something then bloody do it!!!!! Cant stand this 2 faced crap!!! Il do as i want and have sex as i want just like you! You wanna look at your kind and sort out all the sexual abuse you so called Holy people do!! After you sort your crap out maybe il listen! Tho il still do what i want!!!!
MARRIAGE should be between a man and a woman. MARRIAGE is a religious thing and homosexuality is against most religions.
That said, we should completely wipe the word "MARRIAGE" off the face of the earth and everyone should have equal rights in something called "Civil Unions".
So being gay is a choice is it? Okay, choose to be gay right now. Just for 30 seconds choose to be attracted to people of your own gender. Oh wait, you can't do it? Why not? Being gay is a choice right? Or maybe it isn't.
Textra1 1 day ago
So... why is everyone mad at the black man? He said his point respectfully and listened to the opposition. What's wrong with that?
gmanbyah328 3 days ago
@gmanbyah328
I could sit and tell you respectfully how I think Jews are inferior and belong in the gas chambers. I could even patiently listen to your point of view and respectfully reply to your points. Does that mean you're wrong be angry with me?
Textra1 1 day ago
@gmanbyah328
What you fail to recognise is that is doesn't matter if he put his point across calmly. He's still preaching a message of segregation and some might argue hate. Saying vile things in a respectful tone does not mean we should be happy with the person saying them. The man is a bigot and any ire he draws is deserved. Whether he hides behind a pleasant demeanour or not.
Textra1 1 day ago
@Textra1 Good point. I do think it'd be wrong to be angry at you if you were arguing that the Jews deserve to be put into gas chambers, but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with you. All I'm wondering is why everyone seems to hate this man (although his views may be wrong), since he doesn't even seem to hate homosexuals. He's simply saying that he doesn't agree with the idea of gay marriage.
gmanbyah328 1 day ago
@gmanbyah328
Firstly, don't conflate anger and hatred. Anger in and of itself is not a bad thing. They're angry with him not just because he doesn't agree with gay marriage, but because he wants gay marriage to be illegal. He is completely entitled to his opinion of course, but his rights end where yours and mine begin. He evokes vitriol despite his nice smile and friendly demeanour because what he is saying is hateful and based on the dogma of bronze age desert nomads. [cont]
Textra1 1 day ago
@gmanbyah328
[cont]
If he choose to follow that dogma, that's his prerogative but he doesn't get to decide for others who they can marry. This man wants a law that enforces his bigotry and I think people have a right, even a responsibility to be angry at this. If one hold hateful points of view, i.e. gay people don't deserve the same rights as heterosexuals, then one should expect vitriolic responses.
Textra1 1 day ago
That asshole needs to stop blinking!!!
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100JBspecial1on1 1 week ago
You are NOT born Sodomite why are you LYING! Science says NO GAY GENE! The Scripture says babies come from men and women, You can not Procreate Biology doesn't support your claim. Sodomy like Adultery and Fornication are SIN! You don't see Adulteres and Fornicators or Murderers asking for rights. Or to teach children a lie, Because they are "Born that way". Sodom and Gomorrah is your end. Homosexuality is sick and disgusting you should seek HELP!
request2000 1 week ago
Big Up Bishop! But Evil is in control of the World now. The Sodomites will be destroyed one day. They know they can never procreate! All their relationship are based on is who they have SEX with. They are a plague and an ABOMINATION to the World! They just make sure THE MOST HIGH will come sooner. And he's gonna knock their unbelieving, snide, little dirty, remarks down their nasty throats!
request2000 1 week ago
@request2000 Yeah because nazi's like you deserve to live. People like you are whats wrong with the united states and the world because you let a bunch of religious nonsense control everything you do. So it's perfectly acceptable for a man and a women to get married and the man beats the women and never truly loves here while two people who really have love for each other are not allowed to. Where is the reasoning in that? I thought marriage was two people coming together because of love.
seattlefcfan11 1 week ago
@seattlefcfan11 Marriage is RELIGIOUS so why do Sodomites want it so bad? I comment to people who know TRUTH and not this PC BS. You can't change the Truth for some people's special agenda. Oh by the way the highest rate of Domestic violence occurs between homosexual men. But let's not let the facts get in the way. You can love a damn CockRoach for all I care. That won't make me teach my children or any children it's a "Alternative Lifestyle" Freak!
request2000 1 week ago
@request2000 It cant be a special agenda because you born gay, it's in our genetics. What has the bible ever solved, NOTHING! God never existed and religions are total crap because they put more into faitch then fact. Science is everything because it can prove to use how the world works and operates, religions are just full of lies and hate. You would try and warp the truth but the domestic violence are still single couples, stop watching faux news you gay bashing, jew killing nazi:P
seattlefcfan11 1 week ago
@request2000
"Marriage is RELIGIOUS..."
No it's not. Want proof? Atheists can get married.
You can scream and type in all-caps all you like but it changes nothing. Marriage is not religious. Want more proof? Try getting married by a preacher and then not signing the legal documents. Your marriage would not be recognised by society. Try the reverse. Sign the legal docs but don't have a religious marriage ceremony. Your marriage is recognised. Ergo marriage; not religious.
Textra1 1 day ago
@Textra1 It is not natural for a man to stick his member in the behind of another man. Nor for a man to do it to a woman. It is not natural for a women to put on a Strap on and give it to another woman. Or to put your head between the legs of another woman. just leave children alone. You want marriage based on Same sexual perversion. Marriage is for family. Sure some people can't procreate. But Sodomites can NEVER CREATE ANYTHING except AIDS
request2000 1 day ago
@request2000
"It is not natural..."
It's not natural to ride on the bus, fly in a plane or make absurd naturalistic fallacies on the internet.
"You want marriage based on Same sexual perversion."
A. It's not a perversion. 1 in 10 people are gay. About the same number as left handed people. B. What I want from marriage has nothing to do with you or anyone else. It's my personal private business. If your particular superstition says it's bad, good for you. Leave me out of it.
Textra1 1 day ago
@Textra1
"Marriage is for family."
Incorrect. Many married people don't have children. You don't get to define marriage for them.
"But Sodomites can NEVER CREATE ANYTHING except AIDS"
lolwut? You're clearly too stupid to be in conversation with. Have a nice life.
Textra1 1 day ago
@Textra1 You know 1 in 10 people aren't homosexual. It is Sodomites who are running around harassing people to teach it in schools. Why should teachers have to teach what used to be a deviant sexual act as if it an alternative lifestyle. If that's how you feel keep it to yourself. Why do you Harrods businesses by having kiss ins, then when people object you want to Sue them. Why don't you keep your deviant behavior at home. Because you want to recruit children.
request2000 1 day ago
Gay couples should have the right to be married by the state just like hetero couples. As long as the state honors gay unions, who cares what the church thinks. I voted for Prop 8 and I'm a hetero black man. The church is not obligated to marry gay couples, but the state is obligated and church needs to stay out of state affairs.
duprez2 1 month ago
Cenk just tells it like it is, Keep up your good work.
jody460 1 month ago
SOPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DaSpyda86 1 month ago
lol Harry Jackson is a gay begot big time why not let people live there life the way they see fit along as they are not hurting each other and anyone else and not being all gay sex in my living room REALLY. No HOMO lol
c11towns 1 month ago
cenk should have just ripped into him, laid some smackdown on his lying bigot ass
igotscamed1 1 month ago
This annoys me, these comments are ridiculous. You guys are hating on that anti black bishop, but all he did was saying his opinion! Would that make you hypocritical? That guy seems fair and just has a different belief, but he is no asshole. He didnt go nuts and complain with stupid reasons, he had legitimate ones
RyoBeat0 1 month ago
@RyoBeat0 What legitimate reasons did he have?
EmilySuydam 1 month ago
@RyoBeat0 his reasons are not legitimate.. we don't "choose" to be gay.. who would "choose" to be called "faggot" "maricon" "sissy" by total strangers?.. who would "choose" to get kicked out of the homes by their families? who would choose to be passed over for promotions or better positions at their jobs? who would "choose" to be an abomination according to their religions? no one that's who.. it's not a choice.. gay people are telling you it's not a choice and you refuse to hear the facts..
brigantty 1 month ago
@brigantty i dont mean like that. I meant that he is calm about it, and i dont think bashing this guy is right. he said what he thought, i dont think it was right, but they're are other gay haters that rant off and curse them out, like what you said on this comment. he's not the one that calls you out on the street, its other people.. If people dont like gays, i dont mind it, but if people hurt they're feelings or harrass, then i get mad.
RyoBeat0 1 month ago
@RyoBeat0 i understand what you mean, but whether he said it nicely or ranted, it's basically still offensive.. how can he talk about our lives, when he hasn't had to walk in our shoes ever... how can he know what it's like or feel like..
brigantty 1 month ago
@RyoBeat0 You can't reason with a Lie. I'm not a Christian nor Religious. Neither of those has anything to do with what is written in Scripture. The Scripture clearly states, They were made man and woman to become one Flesh Gen: 3:25. They want you to believe a lie so you will be decieved. But Sodomy is deadly serious and not to be taken lightly. Lev: 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is ABOMINATION!" Do you want your children to fall into a perverse lifestyle? cont
request2000 1 week ago
@RyoBeat0 All because you're trying to be understanding? Just look at what the Bishop is saying, he's not being nasty, mean or disrespectful. But he is being attacked by Sodomites and their lost supporters. It's because they are telling a Bold Faced Lie! The Scripture also tell us where babies come from. I guess they'll say that's a lie too. I only follow the Torah because the so called NT does in a way support all types of Don't let these perverts fool you with emotions.
request2000 1 week ago
"protect marriage"... from people who want to get married.
hardinmichael1981 2 months ago
Gay marriage is a question of civil rights, it should never be an issue decided by popular belief. Although people have the right to voice their opinions, in the end beliefs are irrelavent.
kris13119 2 months ago 2
God bless Harry Bishop.
When you are fighting LGBT marriage,you are basically fighting the Devil!Marriage should be between one man and one woman till,and past the end!LGBT is unnatural.It is against God.It is a total abomination!LGBT marriage will be utterly destroyed one day.God will see to that!If you were to make LGBT a capital crime,people would wake up and stop dwelling in the Devil's house!Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness as the bible does say!Love dosent make LGBT okay!
liw213 2 months ago
@liw213
keep your bible to yourself you filthy christian abomination
aussieincal09 2 months ago
@liw213
you are funny..... that is your belief and my rights should not be based on your archaic belief system. this country is not a country that lives by your beliefs, we are country of diversity. The bible is a book written by men, not God..... get a clue...
MatheaMissy 1 month ago
@liw213 the devil.. you know after hearing all this crap from you so called christians, the devil is starting to become appealing.. after all if you're supposed to be the good guys and you're being such nasty creeps about the whole issue, how bad can the devil be?..
brigantty 1 month ago
@liw213 I agree with with everything you just said. There are still more normal people then the so called "gays". But they have a rich, powerful lobby. Who the hell turned a lie into the Truth! This SS marriage BS is the end of the Country!
request2000 1 week ago
god bless harry bishop
MrEnlighteneddespot 2 months ago
Bishop what's his name just loves dodging the questions.
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Ashhhh2029 2 months ago
why would they ask a religious figure ANYTHING on this subject??? WTF DO U EXPECT THEM TO SAY? like asking charlie sheen if he likes drugs and hookers - the answer is obvious -.- i would rather see them talking to ppl who actually know the lgbt community and such things, not someone who bigots for a living
PaNdAxSaMa 2 months ago
@PaNdAxSaMa that's just it, no one in our community cares what folks like this have to say... they just keep popping up giving their opinion no matter who's listening...
brigantty 1 month ago
Listen dude. 50-60 years ago, blacks were being lynched and tortured in cold blood. Decades prior, blacks were enslaved and still tortured in cold blood. You guys have exactly the same opportunities as white people. But we can't be with someone of the same sex? Oh, and stop fucking blinking. It bugs me.
PoliMeim 2 months ago
@PoliMeim LGBT people are imprisoned, tortured and murdered (often in accordance with the law) around the world, in case you weren't aware.
The overall message of your comment here isn't clear to me btw.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
Sick fuck... Nuff said.
NormacHC 2 months ago
I applaud Bishop Harry Jackson for promoting discrimination against people he has never met simply because their lifestyles don't coincide with a mistranslated collection of Bronze Age mythology! Separate but equal FTW!
ThePhantom135 2 months ago
i'm white and i can only applaud Bishop Harry Jackson defending society against the threat that is homosexuality and pedophilia. the man is a hero
ccg3332 2 months ago
@ccg3332 Pedophillia wasn't mentioned as far as I noticed and isn't a part of the topic of discussion. Mentioning it in the same sentence as homosexuality on this topic therefore seems to be nothing more than an attempt at transfer propaganda.
Society isn't under threat... just as when black people gained more rights in the civil rights movement, this did not threaten society, likewise in the gay civil rights movement, gaining rights isn't a threat.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
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It's not a choice you asshole... Do you think I like being called a faggot and gay-bashed... STFU....
MuzicRox16 2 months ago
thing is jackson, that marriage is not just a christian institution. it's not even purely an abrahamic institution! name me 1 religion outside of the abrahamic religions that disallow homosexual marriage.
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peopledick 3 months ago
The only ones ruining and destroying marriage until now have been the straight community. What are they talking about ?
muscleslave001 3 months ago 3
The "marriage is as old as civilization" argument just fucking kills me. These nit-wits seem to forget that one man-one woman marriage entered into willingly by both parties, because of mutual love is barely a century old. Plural marriages, arranged marriages, marriages entered into to solidify business endeavors, ensure peace between tribes or countries . . . these are only a few of the practices that are "as old as civilization."
septogram7 3 months ago 20
Fuck another homophobe. Why can't people just shut up and mind their own life? Stop shoving religious crap down everyones throat.
Janemetalcat798 3 months ago
Hasn't that dipshit Bishop ever heard about the psychos who murdered gay people specifically because they were gay. Besides, that is a mindless appeal to emotion. "We went though more pain than you did, so we deserve civil rights more than you do." That's ridiculous. One role of the federal government is to protect the basic rights of minorities against the potential tyranny of a minority. In this case, gay people deserve that protection from these people.
Ryan9145X 3 months ago 3
Bishop Harry Jackson is gay. He's just another poor self loathing gay man that can't come to terms with his sexuality and so so becomes obsessed with demonising an stripping the rights away from anyone who can.
mw2000 3 months ago
This bishop should go back to school.
Alyy33 3 months ago
@Alyy33 ... Priests and schoolkids don't go well together in America. Or rather go a little too well together in America...
neverfearchrisishere 3 months ago
@neverfearchrisishere please dont forget preachers, ministers, pastors, and sunday school "teachers".
retrospect1983 3 months ago
Im black and am for gay rights!!!!! This dumb religious whacko represents an ignorant portion of not only the black community but the American community community as a whole
Jalenturner360 3 months ago 25
@Jalenturner360 no shit
Tophawtdog4411 1 month ago
Look. Homosexuality is not a solved scientific problem. If you research the scientific studies on this important issue, it is extremely ambiguous and raises more questions than answers. Genes are not 'things' that is in us. They are sort-of impulses. If, same-sex attraction is 'natural' then why is that natural selection gave it no purpose like opposite-sex attraction which is obviously pro-creation? There is no problem with loving a same-sex person but the problem is when it gets sexual.
ETworldjone 3 months ago
@ETworldjone Genes are things that are in us (they are sequences of nucleotides) I.E. chemicals. They aren't impulses... if that implies that they have no corporeal basis.
Whether or not something is natural is irrelevant (to the morality of it). Many forms of modern medical care directly contravene natural biological mechanisms and save lives as a result.
A now relatively redundant point is that many animals exhibit homosexuality too.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
I feel sad that some people are so completely out of touch with reality to understand how life really works.
davec128 3 months ago
yeah, thats a GREAT argument. "just because its a really old old tradition means its correct or unchangeable!"...WOW FUCKING AMAZING LOGIC. IM ALSO SURE that slavery was around for thousands and thousands of years.
BloodJunkie11 4 months ago 2
People cannot vote for discrimination. That would be oppression by majority rule.
daneblan 4 months ago 3
fucking nigger!!! I bet you choosed to be a fucking nigger!!! If it werent for civil rights you would be a fucking slave now!!!
demnp 4 months ago
@demnp why are you calling him a nigger just because he doesn't support pedophilia, incest, rape and homosexuality?
FuckUtube4Life2010 3 months ago
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@FuckUtube4Life2010 Pedophilia and beastiality are both illegal.
This is about marriage between two consenting ADULTS.
DoubleTalkingJive
LGBATblogspot 3 months ago
@FuckUtube4Life2010 well why don't you figure it out Einstein? Since you are so politically correct!!!
demnp 3 months ago
@FuckUtube4Life2010 your statement is incorrect, first I'm not calling him a nigger, I'm calling him a "FUCKING" nigger. second I'm not calling him that for the reasons you stated. I'm refering to him that way because he stated in the clip that we gay men (and women) choose to be homosexual. as one may choose to be black, white , tall, short , blind , deaf or heterosexual. If he is entitled to believe so, then I'm entitled to beleive he choose to be a "FUCKING" nigger. thank you!!! :)
demnp 3 months ago
I agree that gays don't choose to be that way & its a mental illness that should be treated like any other sickness. I feel its very wrong tho to spread the lie among our youth that it is normal!
TheG55coffia 4 months ago
@TheG55coffia um homophobe is normal then?
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superarmysoldier12 4 months ago
@TheG55coffia What criteria do you use to define a mental illness and what authority do you have to dictate the criteria used to classify mental dispositions as falling within the remit of this specialist, technical term?
Every major mental health (and medical) association in the United States does not classify homosexuality as a mental disorder.
What is normal is not synonymous with what is pathological or good or bad. A person can be abnormally kind and compassionate for instance.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@TheG55coffia we are not mentally ill.. we are happy, creative, intelligent, hardworking, beautiful people. people who tend to be compassionate and sympathetic, because of all the crap we've had to endure in our lives. people who can't think for themselves, who can't see past the bullcrap they're hearing from the pulpit or their bibles.. now, they're the ones' mentally ill..
brigantty 1 month ago
If we re-define marriage as between any two people, at what limit is it stopped? Could a man or woman marry a child? What about people who want to marry objects? Is that their "civil right" to marry their dog or favorite painting. Marriage is between a man and a woman, this is for good reasons. I dont see "discrimination" in actual marriage
jewishmafia1 4 months ago
@jewishmafia1 It would stop at any two consenting adults, obviously. Marrying a child will always be considered wrong in western society, no matter the circumstance. As for marrying a dog, well I think marriage will always be exclusive to your own species.. as for your favourite painting, again same species, and obviously can't be an inanimate object...
jazzr93 4 months ago
@jewishmafia1 This argument is a "slippery slope" logical fallacy, and is therefore illogical and irrelevent.
acebulf 4 months ago
@jewishmafia1 doesn't make any sense.
UberTankred 4 months ago
@jewishmafia1 That's retarded. How will a heterosexual couple's marriage be jeopardized by allowing two gay guys to get married? Think hard about your answer and don't use that weak slippery-slope shit you just offered. We managed to let black people and women vote without allowing dogs and children and paintings to do it. I will almost guarantee you have no sound argument against gay marriage that can be defended in an intellectually honest way. Surprise me, please.
chubbyruckus 4 months ago
@chubbyruckus but, but, but, it goes AGAINST that big bearded guy in the sky!!!!!!! WE HAVE TO RESTRICT PEOPLES RIGHTS FOR A ANCIENT OUT OF DATE RELIGION!!!!
BloodJunkie11 4 months ago
@BloodJunkie11 I wish they would just say that once in a while instead of making the equally ridiculous points about marrying dogs. It would help save a lot of time for everyone trying to have a real conversation. I would respect someone saying "Look, I'm a cunt. I think my religious beliefs should trump certain people's civil rights and that's that." I would berate them, of course, but at least they would be saying what they mean.
chubbyruckus 4 months ago
@jewishmafia1 A tired argument. Pedophilia and beastiality are both illegal.
This is about marriage between two consenting ADULTS.
DoubleTalkingJive 3 months ago
@jewishmafia1 Your comment here is what is known as a slippery slope fallacy. Here is an example of the same kind of fallacy: If we illegalize same-sex marriage, at what limit is it stopped? Could we illegalize opposite-sex (OS) marriage?
The illegalization of OS marriage is a totally independent issue from that of SS marriage, just as the legalization of SS marriage is from the legalization of any other form of marriage.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@jewishmafia1 i'm training my cat to sign her name, so that when the time comes, we can get hitched.. what a clown you are... what part of two consenting adults don't you get..
brigantty 1 month ago
He can barely give a straight answer.... he should have said it is a choice to be gay per se. but not a good choice at all
volchan129 4 months ago
faggots gonna fag...
nucktard 4 months ago
@74487S No, he just said that the judge has dealt a blow to the NATURAL marriage. I dont know about you, but that sounds like he is saying that a marriage between a man and a woman is natural, and gay marriage is not. If neither is natural, then I dont understand why he called one of them the natural marriage, and why it would matter
mrnotonly 4 months ago
I refuse to argue with people who are against gay marriage. They have absolutely NO valid arguments.
cooolness3 5 months ago
@cooolness3 I agree, bigots are crazy, don't talk to them, we are right, i was adopted by 2 hot lesbians, sometimes i masturbate watching my 2 moms kissings, but most of the time we are a normal family. Peace
trifulquita15 5 months ago
Hmmm a natural man made union. If you can't even make a good reputation for marriage, the fuck are you doing criticizing how others use it? Focuse on your own marriage first. "I believe" is not an answer you coward.
clipsryan 5 months ago
Some people are stuck in the 1940's.
Pathetic.
NOTgarycoleman 5 months ago
OMG. The bishop looks EXACTLY like my old band teacher. Creeepy.
darkprincess1012 5 months ago
LMAO at the Bishop when he claims that his definition of marriage has been the norm for as old as society. Ever heard of polygamy dipshit?
Serpent0fEden 5 months ago
Remember Bishop, that "the next generation" will be the ones who will be choosing what nursing facility you shall be put in until your end of days! By the way, my generation could give a damn if you were gay or not! If I were to put this Bishop in a nursing home, I would put him in one where they don't quite wipe his ass all the way clean! He should like that, since he is an asshole!
macrent2 5 months ago
we shouldnt even care what he thinks he is a pastor not an actual expert on anything dealing with law
hollywoodcourt21 5 months ago
Cenk we're sorry you cant marry your buttbuddy tough luck pal!
BUDx2 5 months ago
Baynard Rustin, the gay black civil rights activist who was the architect of the 1963 March on Washington before being thrown under the bus by Martin Luther King, Jr. recently said "Gays are the new niggers". This IS a civil rights issue "Reverand". I'll go with Mr.Rustin's wisdom over yours.
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kbrummell 5 months ago
I stll fail to understand this idea that gay marriage 'threatens' hetero marriage
how exactly
will a hetero marriage be compulsorily annulled for every new gay marriage?
surely the hetro married couples will still be legally married
so how are their marriages under threat exactly?
whitesquirrel7 5 months ago
@whitesquirrel7 I personally feel like if straight peoples marriages suddenly fall apart just because the local gay couple got married, they have bigger things to be worried about than what gay people are up to
Stevie2Sxc 5 months ago
I'm all for the liberal side of things, but I actually enjoyed this discussion. The bishop wasn't being completely unreasonable like some people. I don't agree with the bishop at all, but he seemed to be relatively level-headed which I found very surprising.
PrisonerOfReidsMind 5 months ago
i would neverrrrrrrrrr and ever i looove women why i m gonna look for the other me fuck damn that's disgastin every time i see those gays i vomiting realy
TheAmine90210 5 months ago
@TheAmine90210 that's nice...
brigantty 1 month ago
It must be hard being a liberal. Dividing everyone into groups based on sex, race, income, etc. At the same time, claiming that everyone is equal and should be treated as so. They're a contradiction to themselves.
p0479 6 months ago
@p0479 Huh? It's the conservatives that divide, and fight against equal rights for woman, blacks, workers, slaves, Chinese, Indians, and even fought against the idea of fighting the British for independence in the first place. That's right, conservatives didn't even want America to be it's own country. Liberals are the ones who are trying to make us all equals under the eyes of the law.
ChakatBlackstar 6 months ago
@ChakatBlackstar Typical ignorance.
p0479 6 months ago
@p0479 Uh...no. Conservatives, by definition fight to keep things the same, or at least move very very slowly in terms of progress at best or go backwards at worst. So whenever a group tries to fight for rights, by definition it will always be conservatives who fight against the movement in question.
ChakatBlackstar 6 months ago
@ChakatBlackstar "very very slowly" in terms of Obama's economy? "keep things the same" like slavery? Over 90% of the black population continues to vote democrat under lies/false promises. Institutional slavery. Last I noticed, the black unemployment rate doubled that of the white unemployment rate. Chew on that.
p0479 6 months ago
@p0479 At what point was this Obama's economy? He first inherited it from Bush and everytime he's tried to do anything he gets fought with left and right by the conservatives who at first had just enough people to slow things down, and now have enough people in office to stop anything dead. And maybe the blacks vote democrat because they know the republicans are racist. They've never asked for a white president's birth certificate, or stopped a white from raising the debt ceiling. Chew on that.
ChakatBlackstar 6 months ago
They are aren't "ex-gay." Homosexuality is on a continuum, not a dichotomous scale.
LangeTheThird 6 months ago
MSNBC even if they don't agree with there guests they don't shout over them like fox news normally does.
DDTphoenix 6 months ago
Chose to be gay? What a douche bag.
TheJakster101 6 months ago
It is all mathematics... Banning Gay Marriage Restricts Everyone 50%. A ban on marriage based on race restricts white people 30% (Since approximately 70% of the US is white) and restricts every other race 85% or more. One is a fair restriction, one restricts some people more than the other. That is the difference.
dmh838 6 months ago
@dmh838 Banning same sex marriage does not restrict everyone 50%. It restrict gay people 100% from marrying somebody they love. It restricts hetero people 0% from doing the same.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@Jamieishere1 Im heterosexual, my roommate is homosexual... We cant marry each other for tax purposes (for the most part, the only part of marriage the government is concerned about). We are both restricted equally. Also, I don't need a title from the government to prove that he is my best friend. I might also like to add that I enjoy hanging out with him just as much as my girlfriend, just one I find way more sexually attractive than the other.
dmh838 2 months ago
@dmh838 Assuming you and your roommate are the same sex, you are not equally restricted because while there's no possibility that you would love him, there is a possibility he would love you. It's also not just about you two of course. You could potentially marry anybody you ever come to love and they could not.
Many people do not care for marriage but because some do, it is unequal treatment to only allow it to certain people.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@Jamieishere1 I am glad love to you is based on looks. Personally, I can love something and not be physically attracted to it (IE a friend). There are many things that I "love" that I can not marry... Honestly, before I argue anymore, I need to ask you a question, are you arguing for gays to be able to marry, or are you arguing for gays couples to be able to get the same tax break as straight couples?
dmh838 2 months ago
@dmh838 You Wrote:
" I am glad love to you is based on looks."
I never said that.
That you cannot marry your friends is in no way comparable to not being able to marry the person you love. Whether or not you claim to love a friend, it is a different type of love. You have the right to marry people you love as more than friends. As such, you need to justify why others should not similarly have this right.
Both marry and tax breaks. That separate but equal isn't equal is already established.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@Jamieishere1 Why are you claiming marriage to be a right? It is a made up thing... In my opinion, it is more of a religious term and should be separated from government. The government should see everything as a "domestic partnership" and give all the benefits of marriage to domestic partnerships. "Churches" can then go on to decide who gets "married." Its a win win situation for both sides and it isn't an appeal to emotion fallacy based argument.
dmh838 2 months ago
@dmh838 Marriage is a right in so far as it is something that you enjoy, which means that denying it to others would be to treat them unequally I.E. to give yourself a special privilege. You therefore need to justify why you should be able to do that (I.E. justify the unequal treatment.
Marriage is a religious phenomenon and a legal contract, each of which are independent of the other. I agree anyway, the state should just give civil partnerships 2 all.. the general population wouldn't tho.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@dmh838 A great counter example to your point is provided in this video (it's only 1.5mins long):
watch?v=fuuPIEQXKeU
Just copy and paste the bit above on to the end of youtube's main webaddress to make it work.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
Why the fuck do they bring up the Constitution? Have any of these retards actually read that document? I can't believe Americans fall for these utter lies. There's not even any element of truth in what these people say.
th3sp0rk 6 months ago
Captain Picard!
What does the scouter say about his facepalm level?!
Its over five fingers!!!
shizaquife 6 months ago
The natural marriage? Marriage is man made, therefore not natural...
mrnotonly 6 months ago 15
@mrnotonly It's fucking religious people, they are deluded people.
th3sp0rk 6 months ago
@mrnotonly man made? God made marriage and ordained it when he made a man and a woman so how can it be man made? and even if it was it's obvious something is wrong when the same sex want to be united when they can't produce ! suppose animals became homosexuals they would all die out soon then how will we eat if they don't produce? !!
PrincessAleandra90 5 months ago
@PrincessAleandra90 Don't confuse your religious beliefs with reality =] marriage existed way before religion and is a legal system. Also same sex couples can reproduce due to sciene or adopt. The world is overpopulated and that is a idiotic fucking statement. Also why would they be more gays if they were allowed to marry are you suggesting all straight people are secretly gay. And finally animals fuck anything but just to entertian you if they died out we would become vegans and survive =]
pandasftuw 4 months ago
@pandasftuw firstly the first marriage was between adam and eve and we studied this during the times of the jews and it was later passed on through out the world that story was a scroll and then written in the bible so it has nothing to do with my religious beliefs it has something to do with God making man and woman to be joined as one ! tell me how will to male reproduce that's something i'd love to see i'm not talking about just adopting because it still takes a man and a woman to do that
PrincessAleandra90 4 months ago
@pandasftuw and also with science you was still need a man and woman to reproduce because you need the male spirm to donate to the egg so there for it still the plan of God !! for male and female ! and the statement you call idiotic is the truth! that's your business if you believe in people living disgusting life style which are sins! and abomination ! i love all people but the sins we commit are sick ! the animals would die out if they go gay ! cuz there would be no reproduction !
PrincessAleandra90 4 months ago
@PrincessAleandra90 But women don't have to fancy men in order to reproduce via science also gays CAN adopted. And sweetie adam and eve are not historical you idiot. Also I hope you want to put to death all the cheaters and people who work on sunday because the bible is VERY clear on that. Animals don't do sexual identity. They just do sex. Marriage is a legal system hence why atheists can get marriage. Have you been living under a rock dear?
pandasftuw 4 months ago
@pandasftuw your an idiot for gays to adopt a child a mand a woman had to come together right ? or if its two woman they need a man to donate to them@ adam an eve is historical you fool! an your dumber than i thought the bible says the sabath which is saturday!! an that's why Jesus came for us to get grace an mercy this this first i hear athiest can't get married because in my country any 1 can...animals had to have sex with the opposite in order to reproduce u sick human !
PrincessAleandra90 4 months ago
@PrincessAleandra90 How are adam and eve historical? Please tell me you are aware there is no factual evidence for anything in the bible. Lol I take it you believe people can live inside whales too? Lol
Also youu seem to struggle with reading try rereading my post. Also why am I sick for stating the FACT Animals don't do sexual identity. They just do sex.
pandasftuw 4 months ago
@pandasftuw dealing with religion it has been a historical belief because we believe that's how the world started also about the israelites etc and Jesus they are all historical for us..and you may say that there is not factual evidence but you have no proof of that do you ? not because you don't believe it mean God doesn't exsist, also where is your proof that he doesn't? no you are sick if you think its normal for the same sex to engage in sex !
PrincessAleandra90 4 months ago
@PrincessAleandra90 Yeah I'm not conversing with anyone who doesn't grasp evolution you are no worse than a filthy holocaust denier. Denying evidence is not a belief that is called lying to yourself.
If it is so sick why do they PHYSICALLY (the bodies "god" made) feel pleasure
also why are you not as adamant about the death of divorcées? The bible is very clear about that you inconsistently stupid cunt.
pandasftuw 4 months ago
@pandasftuw if you are not conversing with anywho doesn't grasp why are you replying back in the first place? and who said i don't believe in evolution your wrong ! because i never said i don't believe in it but i know who made it ! so it's nothing to do with denial it's the fact that i've experience God and i got my personal evidence ! it's sick because the devil has something to do with it! sin feels great ! not just same sex ! sin on the whole feels awesome does that mean it's good?
PrincessAleandra90 4 months ago
@pandasftuw they have serial killers and rapist who find pleasure in it does that make it right? are you out of your mind or what ? same sex is sick ! just like sleeping around and not married is sick !!! selling your body is sick! it's also sick ! and you never asked me about any divorce neither was our argument on divorce so what in the hell are you talking about? i'm against divorce ! if committing adultery ! or abuse to your life i think that's ground for divorce !
PrincessAleandra90 4 months ago
@pandasftuw your problem is you want to be gay or what ever it is that you do! you want to justify your actions as good but it doesn't work it doesn't matter if you acknowledge God or not! he's still real and you'd have to fave him one day and then you will have no excuse ! we are born in sins yes ! we have sins yes ! but we can ask to be forgiven and for God to deliever us from the devil's trap ! but you on the other hand call me stupid just because i'm against the gay policy !
PrincessAleandra90 4 months ago
@pandasftuw well so what! it's my opinion and i'm sticking with it ! i'm not saying i don't like the people ! but it's the activity i hate what is so disgusting ! and to make it worst to call himself a bishop ! that's a slap in God's face ! what bible was he reading?
PrincessAleandra90 4 months ago
@pandasftuw also you must be a homosexual because you are so highly offended !! it's the same as having sex without marriage !! it's against God ! same as being married and cheating which is adultery it's against God !!! so there for it's all wrong and you can't get around that !
PrincessAleandra90 4 months ago
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@PrincessAleandra90 Why must I be a homosexual, If I fight racist does that mean I'm black? You can't seem to comprehend those immoral rules are for YOU and YOUR god. Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
You must be a hairy one bitch.the historic definition of marriage?" Varies. Lakota chief Crazy Horse had one or two male spouse(s) and many other Native American nations also had what we now call same-sex marriages. Ethnographers have documented this. Some examples: Omahas, Zapotec
pandasftuw 4 months ago
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But women don't have to fancy men in order to reproduce via science also gays CAN adopted. And sweetie adam and eve are not historical you idiot. Also I hope you want to put to death all the cheaters and people who work on sunday because the bible is VERY clear on that. Animals don't do sexual identity. They just do sex. Marriage is a legal system hence why atheists can get marriage. Have you been living under a rock dear?
pandasftuw 4 months ago
@PrincessAleandra90 The oldest record of marriage is not Christian or biblical in origin fyi. It is the Code of Ur Nammu from ~2100BC. Construction of the OT stated around 1200BC at the earliest.
It is legal marriage that is debated anyway, not religious marriage.
Infertile couples, icnluding post-menopausal women "want to be united" yet people such as yourself don't seem to have a problem with that.
Some animals are homosexual and entire species are hermaphrodites or asexual etc.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@Jamieishere1 tell me something where did marriage come from ? even better where did a man an woman come from ? who was the one who said man an woman should become as one !! now when you find an animal as a homosexual bring it to my door step so i know it's real !
PrincessAleandra90 2 months ago
@PrincessAleandra90 Were you hoping for a description of abiogenesis, evolution or some form of cosmological explanation? Fortunately I don't have to be a cosmologist, evolutionary biologist or anything similar to respond to your point.
All improvement of any kind requires change away from the past so the premise you seem to be using... (that we should always keep things the same)... is not one you would consistently apply at all. I.E. it fails.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@PrincessAleandra90 I gave you the oldest known record of marriage, so that is as far back as we can trace it as far as I'm aware.
Whoever said a "man an women should become as one" is totally irrelevant to whether or not that is a valid point, which you have not yet established it as being. That somebody has previously said something does not automatically make it correct.
Gay penguins:
/watch?v=z01XLikQaOQ
I can provide more scientifically documented cases if you wish.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@PrincessAleandra90 You aren't stating your arguments/points, merely insinuating them but I shall assume that your request for a homosexual animal was something to do with the biblically-derived "homosexuality is unnatural and therefore bad" assertion.
Firstly, in the same way you have not needed anybody to bring Australia to your door step to know it's real, you should not require a gay animal at your doorstep to know it's real.
Secondly, many forms of medical care are unnatural. So what?
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
@Jamieishere1 i know australia exist because i know people from there ...i live in the bahamas where i see animals and not one day or even one time i have ever see a gay animal! thaat's like telling me there is a pot of gold at the end of the rain bow..if we all were homosexual our spices would die out long ago but God didn't design it like that so yes i require to see a GAY! ANIMAL in person and mate! lets see what they'll produce my answer so far is nothing :s
PrincessAleandra90 2 months ago
@PrincessAleandra90 Do you know people from heaven?
I gave you a video link on homosexual animals. I'll PM you that again and a study on one, which links to many other studies on them. It's rare to even see animals mate so that you haven't personally seen them do so homosexually is unsurprising.
If we were all female, our species would die out. So what? If we were all gay, our species would not die out... we could still procreate.
Jamieishere1 2 months ago
Even though he's anti gay at least he was a super douche like most of them are still he's a regular douche lol
Addictionbemine 6 months ago
cenk is the best journalist of all time
3dimensionalJoe 6 months ago
as part of the anti gay community i think we should let the homos get married. think about it. if it is so natural they will die off anyways. THEY CAN NOT REPRODUCE!!!lol gay gene...what a bunch of crock!
MrGamecock123 7 months ago
i love how they ask a black man over civil rights and he still is anti-gay... what a hypocrite.
rainbowkiss100 7 months ago 2
People w\ho get bothered by gays are closeted gays themselves. Why in the world would any happy person would care about others sex life?
MRBBJC 7 months ago
this bishop guy is a prick
MorganFreddie 7 months ago
fuck fags
niftyhihi007 7 months ago
@niftyhihi007 Fuck you.
RoDJ99 7 months ago
You beat around the bush so much!!!! If you stand against or for something then bloody do it!!!!! Cant stand this 2 faced crap!!! Il do as i want and have sex as i want just like you! You wanna look at your kind and sort out all the sexual abuse you so called Holy people do!! After you sort your crap out maybe il listen! Tho il still do what i want!!!!
jackboi7984 7 months ago
The title should be changed to "MSNBC: Cenk and an Anti-Gay Bishop has a polite and civil disagreement over a spot of tea and scones"
K1ndaB0red 7 months ago 2
if u want to protect marriage then advocate banning divorce
dp4712 7 months ago
The bishop is right.
MARRIAGE should be between a man and a woman. MARRIAGE is a religious thing and homosexuality is against most religions.
That said, we should completely wipe the word "MARRIAGE" off the face of the earth and everyone should have equal rights in something called "Civil Unions".
TweekDash 7 months ago 8