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  • Why would 600 million people be so disastrous? I fail to see what the horror is..

  • Now you know how Native Americans felt when you invaded and stole their land. Suck it up.

  • Deport Congress

  • Its so sad this is happening in Sweden aswell.

  • what i'd like to know is WHY congress chose to increase immigration and has done so ever since? is it ever-pandering to immigrant votes??

  • @hieraxhideo Corporate profits, basically. Costs go down when labor is cheaper, profits go up, this makes the shareholders happy. Higher immigration means a larger cheap labor pool, drawing down wages to the majority of Americans as well.

  • So called "anti-racists", Demand massive immigration and forced integration, for ALL White countries and ONLY White countries

    So only White people will disappear (genocide) if they get their way

    They never Demand massive immigration and forced integration, for all Black countries and only Black countries, because they know it would be certain genocide for Blacks

  • @Lockhammer1972 Look at the countries that happen to be all black, and you'll see why white people (or anyone, for that matter) aren't so eager to go in there. That's no racist jab at blacks mind you, just explaining why your argument is so fucking stupid.

  • I had no clue that NumbersUsa had a YouTube channel.

    Subscribed so fast I almost broke my finger.

  • What a retard.. he couldve easily put the pipe in the floor. Shows his intelligence.

  • Anti-whites in the media have commented on how wonderful it is that white people are becoming minorities in communities. Diversity (less white people) is described as "vibrant" and the way that the communities used to be is described as "dull."

    If I were to say that Africa needs more diversity because there are too many black people and that mass non-black immigration will make their "dull" communities "vibrant," those same liberals and respectable conservatives would scream: GENOCIDAL MANIAC!

  • "Anti-racists" Demand massive immigration and forced integration from the Third World, for all White countries and only White countries.

    No vote or discussion has ever been allowed on this issue in any White country on the planet. Anyone that objects is called a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionje­ws.

    Massive immigration and Forced Integration for all White countries and only White countries, without a vote or discussion allowed

    They want White GeNOcide.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

  • Looks like I am moving to Austrailia!

  • This country cant afford all those babies. I dont care to reduce my quality of life to accomadate the babies of illegal immigrants that are generally racist against me.

  • Hispanics have too many babies without consideration for the impact on the economy.

  • The world population is increasing by over 210,000 per day!

    That's over 7.6 million per year.

    That's over 0.76 billion per decade.

    That's almost 2.3 billion in 30 years.

    And that is almost 5.4 billion in 70 years (one lifetime).

    And we are unable to control it ourselves.

    However, nature will take over, and then there may possibly be people dying by the billions per year due to events that are all severely exacerbated by over-population.

  • 1. Try to imagine how much brainwashing it would take to convince all the Asians living in Asia, that they need to go ahead and replace themselves (in Asia) with North African Muslims????

    2. Now imagine that they were so totally mind conditioned and brainwashed. That they really believed it would be RACIST not to????

    If you manage to do that: Welcome to the world of the White Anti-Whites!!! ????

    So my question is: Can anyone think of something dumber than a White Anti-White????

  • I wonder if the Indians also had a presentation like this, c. 1700 AD ...

  • @charlierebel83852 Plus you act like your country is totally pristine and is a total victim. the U.S has fucked over millions of people throughout the world.. the U.S was a supporter of Fascists puppet governments through the cold war for corporate interests and to stop the "red menace". Don't forget that your ancestors and my ancestors were treated like shit once for simply being immigrants and were looked upon as rapists and dirty thieves and called 'huns', 'kikes', 'micks', 'white niggers'.

  • @charlierebel83852 In Mexico, to get a decent job you need to know English. It's called globalisation. Your country happens to use Latin America as its imperial sandbox. Those are the sequels. In Mexico the huge economic disparity is what's driving people north. Why? It benefits American corporations. They want cheap labour... Same tactics they used to destroy Unions in the 1800's.. Bring in Irish and Italians who are willing to work twice as much for half of the money to destroy worker rights.

  • Africa isn't becoming non-black. African people don't have a policy of mass non-black immigration and assimilation forced upon them.

    Asia isn't becoming non-Asian. Asian people don't have a policy of mass non-Asian immigration and assimilation forced upon them. Yet EVERY white country has to accept a policy of mass non-white immigration and assimilation that no one ever voted for.

    The anti-whites want a mixed, blended humanity for EVERY white country. They want white genocide.

  • @AusGael Lol, how gullible... The reason why white countries are getting so much immigration from non whites is because white countries have an extremely and dangerously low fertility rate.... Look into Spain per say, there is 1.2 children per woman...That's dangerously low.

    The country's native population is shrinking rapidly... to sustain a civilisation, you need at least 2.1 children per woman. If its below this, the population will start shrinking.

  • @luciferiexcelsil You're justifying white genocide "because of birth rates," and "because of cheap labour."

    Most normal people find genocide abhorrent and totally unacceptable.

    Name a non-white people and use the same arguments to justify their genocide as you do for my people.

  • @AusGael I am not justifying it, I'm just giving a realistic view on what is going on. The ones justifying it is the white rich elite themselves. You share more in common with the poor brown immigrant than with the rich white man in a 50th floor of a skyscraper. As always people like to stomp on the bottom of the pyramid.. Everyone will point fingers at the poor immigrant with no voice of himself, but ignore the rich fucks that are hiring 3 12-hour-work aliens instead of one 8-hour-work citizen.

  • @luciferiexcelsil Then be realistic. They only ask, “Is Eastern Europe ready for immigration yet?” because they are white countries.

    Africans have over 50 countries all to themselves. Africa has a massive percentage of the world's natural resources and fertile farming land yet African people don't have a policy of mass non-black immigration and assimilation forced upon them.

    Saying "it's good for the economy" is justifying white genocide.

  • @AusGael I'm not saying its good for the economy... it is bad in fact, as economic disparity grows even more. The only ones benefiting from that are the rich elite from the U.S and the E.U.

    Lol, who exploits all those resources? American and European corporations.

    You may not get anything because you, just like I, and the Mexican guy next door don't have part on it. The only ones are the rich fucks in their modern day castles, the skyscrapers in downtown.

  • @AusGael You may not realise it because I can see you follow the national socialist dumbasses who can barely hold a conversation about economics or history yet they subject to those to be xenophobic. The true people destroying the white race are the ultra white rich folks themselves, not the poor African immigrant who was forced to leave his country because his government is a puppet and does not represent his needs.

  • @luciferiexcelsil

    I know you are anti-White, because you call anyone that opposes White GeNOcide a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionje­ws!

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

  • @distracto63 the only dumbasses to believe that there is a conspiracy to exterminate white people are boneheads and semi-literate trailer racists.are the white races of the world shrinking? yes, sure, because we have dumbass white rich bastards on power that do not realise they are doing it. All I'm saying is that you choose to spit on the poor brown worker who is getting fucked over as much as you are, but not on the ultra rich white bastard

  • @luciferiexcelsil You seem to be describing yourself in your attempt to describe those fearing a white genocide.

  • @chwparker Really now? Wow i'm so offended by your analytical thinking.

  • @luciferiexcelsil white genocide is a fact not opinion.whats happening in south africa,canada,america,england etc.Who is driving up the world population,whites who average 1.5 kids or the blacks and hispanics from underdeveloped countries.This is all a plan to erase sovereign nations so that we live in a one world situation.Close your eyes silly people and it might go away, but probably not

  • @dragszes I'm not saying the white population is not decreasing, it obviously is. I'm saying that it is preposterous to blame the immigrants for simply seeking a better life instead of blaming the rich fucks exploiting their country and bringing them into yours to have cheaper labour. I guess that's how idiots think, if the boss fucks up, fire all the janitor staff, right?

  • @luciferiexcelsil I agree rich people exploit poor people but just as white people have exploited the blacks so have their leaders.I guess the "hutu's" were white.The point is the people of england ,canada,australia etc were never asked do you want to change the dynamic of your country.I'm pretty sure all the people would have said no.As for immigration 30yrs ago immigrants assimilated, today they thumb their nose at the host nation and show nothing but contempt

  • @dragszes Exactly, that's my argument, instead of blaming the poor immigrant seeking a better life for the problems that the mass migration is creating, blame the ones responsible for it, people who profit from this because as common sense tells it, someone high up with some power is obviously profiting from this mass immigration at the expense of you and others, otherwise it would have been stopped long ago.

  • @dragszes And hispanics, well I wouldn't bitch about them since most of the ones in your country are mestizo (part white & part indian) so why would you bitch for people who probably share half of your heritage with half of the heritage of the original inhabitants of your country?

  • @AusGael Same with the rest of Europe, the average of Europe is 1.8. Not as critical as Spain's... Bad nonetheless... U.S on the other hand, only counting non-hispanic white population has a rate of 1.8.. averaged out with the hispanic white population, it goes somewhere close to 2.1. Other races such as blacks(both hispanic and non-hispanic blacks) is about 2.8. It's done in the sake of the Elite, they need cheap workers, regardless of their race. Basic economics, lots of workers=cheap labour.

  • So you have never said white people do not exist?

    You have never blamed white people for all that is evil in this world?

    You have never justified white genocide, with any of a number of different reasons?

    You have never gloated over the prospect of pro white's children, mixing with non-whites?

    You have never said pro whites should not be allowed free speech, because according to you what we say is hate speech?

    You all do this and that is why anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

  • Nobody is flooding and forcibly “integrating” Mexico and ONLY Mexico with non-Mexicans and calling native Mexicans evil racists for opposing their replacement. This is happening in white nations and ONLY in white nations. They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white. Its genocide.

  • you american people must be fucking stupid to believe in such crap. There will never be 600 million people lieving in the US. Don'T you see how the world is changeing??? American economy is going to fuck up sooner or later and than nobody will come anyway.... so dont worry. ;-)

  • STOP the fuckin' MASS IMMIGRATION to Europe! WHY do we have to save all of them? If they can't do anything right in their own countries, then atleast let them TRY fixing their own countries! We can't save them, it's not our problem! And no; I'm not a racist! Throw extreme muslims out of Europe! Don't let Islam take over!

  • The reality of multiculturalism in the world today looks something like this...

    African countries for Africans

    Asian countries for Asians

    Israel for Jews or you're an anti-semite!

    White countries for everyone or you're a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionje­­­­­­­­­­­­ws.

    Clearly anybody can see that multiculturalism targets only white nations.

    Anti-Whites call themselves anti-racists, but what they are is anti-White.

    Lots of people are saying: Anti-Racist has become a code word for Anti-White.

  • @Achilles1389 who told you that? everybody should be allowed to live in whatever country they want. 

  • LOL a mexican like me would've just worked his stacking from bottom to top instead of getting his dumb self on that table or using that ladder hahaha this is why sometimes you guys need immigrants

  • @IvanZeuz1130 *facepalm* it's supposed to demostrate how extremly "off chart" it's.

    Well we would for sure not need you, you my rocket scientist move back to your own country and do something about the problem insted of taking a shortcut.

  • We need to put a moratorium on immigration until our population stabilizes at around 250 million people. We need to force emigrate all illegal aliens back to their native countries and then end the wars in the middle east.

  • @Greyswyndir Notice how his comment is reasonable and doesn't involve some retarded conspiracy involving the genocide of white people.

  • @rgmztxy

    Which countries in your opinion are allowed to remain White?

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  • @Lockhammer1972 why would you ask such a stupid question?

  • At least the Native people's put up a good fight (when they weren't busy killing, slaving and genociding each other).

  • Excuse me, where are the numbers of Native peoples in this land before the undocumented European immigrants arrived to steal, kill, slave and genocide?

  • The economy of this country will go down if they trow us imigrants out, (So i hope Bin Laden comes back to life and destroy united states) FUCK YOU AMERICA DEATH TO AMERICA!!

  • The Only reason why imigrants come to this country is because WE imigrants want a better future for our familys, our children and parents, at least we are nothing compare to AFRICA or other poor countrys, AT LEAST WE TAKE ACTION In search for a better future for our selves, EVEN THOUGH OUR COUNTRYS MIGHT BE POOR IN MONEY AND POWER WE LOOK FOR A SOLUTION OUR SEVES AND DONT WAIT ARROUND FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO HELP US, BESIDES NOT ALL OF US COME TO THE E.U. TO BE BAD PEOPLE, MOST OF US COME TO WORK!!

  • @rawdawg15 lmfao! Dude I take care of myself dnt need no one but God . We running things now Fuck mexico. iwas Born n raised in L.A we taking over we the new geration of americans USA! USA! USA! Well take it from here PEACE

  • Im mexican american they dnt want me here das fine im moving to europe there hotter men out there anyways USA is so selfish das y every country around da world hates america if u guys didnt no by da way america is going down by there own govermment not us immigrats check out tjis type fema camps in usa....

  • @SexyJ1991

    Why not move to Mexico?

    Oh wait its already ruined. Just follow around the white people who will take care of you.

  • ugh, sickening. Our governments are so stupid.

    Suddenly why are Western countries required to share their country with everybody?

  • the dynamics of the world will change by 2020 let alone 2050 or 2100. The rest of the world is decreasing their fertility, including China and India.

    China and India are increasing their standard of living, slowly but surely.

    And the United States will have a lower standard of living by then considering how Washington plays its politics.

    Illegal immigration is a different story, but the man in this video was considering legal immigration.

  • Yes i do and believe buddy im living on your tax dollars boy they do come in hand cracker

  • i dont really care about being called racist,i am an american and embrace anyonbe who speaks englsih,assimnilates and becomes american.i have no respect for anyone who refuses to do that and anyone who goes to a parade for another coiuntry should be jailed for treason.

    either u american or not.if you love were you came from go back and try to make that country better.oh i forgot,u need our welfare and benefits.damn

  • Fuck yall lazy gringos. Eat chiles relleons and bean

  • @Techingo9026

    get back to cutting my grass illegal

  • God help me the government is against me..

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  • Dont be afraid to be called a racist.

    These people will walk all over you, your communities and worse of all your children.

    Natures code = Surival of the fittest not handouts for unproductive people........why are most Europeans so intent on the genocide of their own race?

    I guess decades of white guilt pumped into the minds of the youth by hollyweird will do that.

  • thats not true, we emigrants are just in search 4 a better future...@ParasitesH8Truth

  • @ParasitesH8Truth Yes, it is about WHITE GENOCIDE. That should not be soft sold. Its about AFRICA FOR AFRICANS, ASIA FOR ASIANS, AND WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYONE. Anti-whites love white genocide.

  • As a Canadian, I find it interesting that any discussion of US immigration on YT draws out Caucasoid racists. Always refreshing to express honest sentiments, eh America!

  • In a very short time the word racist will come to mean white heros. Todays racist is tomorrows hero.

  • I am personally responsible for sending three of these latrinos back to Columbia, fuckin drug dealers anways, they are now corpses if we are lucky.

  • white genocide

  • @notanumber6 The futility of an action (such as closing a border or restricting entry to a park) is determined by the reason for doing said action. In this case, secure borders to thwart pollution or destruction to the environment is futile. It is also fallacious as it assumes (in absence of any proof) that 1. Secure borders can thwart envir. damage. 2. That envir. damage can even be thwarted 3. That immigration equates more envir. damage and 4. that "secure" borders are actually possible.

  • @ToaoRaj Your unwillingness to agree to the most obvious facts or logic is disappointing. Do you really believe that restricting entry is not necessary to protect a park’s environment and resources? If you do, then please explain why it’s not. If you don’t, then please explain why it is not just as necessary for a nation as for a park. Also, please explain why you don’t think that “immigration equates more envir. damage” after stating “Permit immigration and the country declines quickly.”

  • @notanumber6 You can't infer from my use of "decline" that I meant environmentally. I was actually speaking in terms of other aspects encompassing QOL. Some problems intrinsically come with higher populations. Environmental damage isn't necessarily one of them. Envir damage can occur exclusive of high population; whilst things such as general crowdedness, urban sprawl, decreased life expectancies and elevated crime rates usually accompany it.

  • @notanumber6 However,. this is all under the pretense that the US is increasing in population quickly or that the country is pressed for space. According to the CIA World Factbook, the USA is currently (2011) experiencing a 0.96% annual growth rate, making it the 119th (out of 231) fastest growing country in the world and a birth rate of 13.86/1,000; placing it 149th (out of 222). With those stats, the only cause for concern is merely the excessive exaggeration and fear mongering people spout.

  • @ToaoRaj You have digressed yet again. I repeat: Do you really believe that restricting entry is not necessary to protect a park’s environment and resources? If you do, then please explain why it’s not. If you don’t, then please explain why it is not just as necessary for a nation as for a park.

  • @notanumber6 Restricting entry to the park is necessary to protect it only if restricting entry actually protects it or if there is actually anything to protect; otherwise, restricting entry just becomes a waste of time, energy and a completely pointless endeavor. The USA is neither increasing rapidly in population (see my last post) nor is it currently facing any more threat of environmental damage/pollution than any other modernized country.

  • @ToaoRaj Your long, overly complicated answer to my first question indicates that you agree that restricting entry is necessary to protect a park's environment and resources. Now please explain why it is not just as necessary for a nation as for a park.

  • Blame ZOG for the death of your future - and research the role of the Jewish Colonizing Association of London and New York. Face it - they are turning North America into the third world because it is profitable for them to do so. Hitler knew what they were up to sixty years ago but by then ZOG had created Communism in Russia and were in financial control of the Allied governments. Remember: ZOG perverts control almost everything you see on television or the theaters - you are "goyim (cattle)"

  • Terrific presentation! The question begs: who are the folks behind the scenes purchasing and controlling Congress on immigration? Not to my surprise, it's the Jews. These are the people who pushed through disastrous immigration legislation with the intention to destroy the United States from within by drowning the nation in debt money while balkanizing our communities with an un-assimilating hostile multicultural footprint. Malevolent Jews infamously try to destroy everything non-Jewish.

  • @meghan42

    Then why isn't Mexico helping to pay for the services to illegal immigrants that are hurting American taxpayers?

    It seems that when it comes to footing the bill Mexico is a very strong believer in nationalism.

  • this MOFO is so stupid with his point of views as he is with his retarded brain..Is not easy to put the RED pvc pipe together by bring them down to the floor and then placing it on top of the table?...No, he needs a ladder to make his fucking stupid point

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  • We need to increase our population by increasing immigration. All of the studies have shown that in North America, throughout it's history whenever there has been a massive influx of immigrants into the country there have been economic booms. The ignorant continue to assume that new immigrants take away jobs. The facts show this to be a mere creation by those who are prejudice.

  • @BubulleMister you have bad information and are probably thinking with your heart and not your head.

  • @BubulleMister Apparently, you don't realize the effect this is having on health insurance costs, and I'm referring to LEGAL immigration. With regards to ILLegal immigration, in some nations, in order to be treated in an ER, you have to provide proof of citizenship. Not in the US. We take ANYONE.

    It's out of control Bub.

  • @BubulleMister

    Oh my. There are so many reasons why I disagree. There is not a complete or perfect remedy to the problem of over-population. One country alone can not do it. We CAN do our best to help the impoverished, however there is an old saying. "You can't help anyone if you don't take care of yourself first." It's not selfish or racist to hold on to some common sense my friend.

  • @MrDavidBaumgartner The poem you speak of is NOT on "Liberty Enlightening the World" it is on the pedestal that we put the statue upon. The poem was part of a fundraising effort to build the pedestal itself and has nothing whatsoever to do with Lady Liberty. And, if you knew your history, you would know that the "huddled masses" in the poem were the Jews fleeing the progroms in Europe at the time of its writing -- not Latin Americans who are now taking advantage of the poem's plea.

  • @TashaTchin Well said

  • Is that maybe the reason why they want to open the borders? So what would be illegal's will just stay where they are in their own area? We have allowed others to create such a mess.

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  • This is what sen Ted Kennedy said in 1965 about the Immigration Act of 1965

    "First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. ... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset ... the bill will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country,

    "The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs."

  • Beck is the one to follow and support on this subject.

  • I'm taking the next bus to Canada!!

  • i dont understand whats wrong with the population in the US to grow faster??

  • @heilweil It will make all of the US's environmental problems - climate change, air and water pollution, wildlife habitat destruction, species extinction, etc. - worse. It will also deplete all of the US's dwindling natural resources - fresh water, land to grow food, forests for lumber, fossil fuels, metals and minerals, etc. - faster. It will also stress our crumbling public infrastructure - roads and bridges, airports, schools, parks, etc. - even more.

  • @notanumber6 not to mention the majority of usa's population growth is from immigration and immigrant birth's. instead of our own peoples. i agree with pretty much everything you listed as well.

  • Assume the population remains stable at our current 308 million people. One will find, upon extrapolation into the future, that everything you named still gets progressively worse. The difference between 600 million people in the USA and 300 million is quite simply the rate at which the country decays. So one's stance on immigration laws is essentially one's understanding of the inevitability of our societal 'putrefaction' and the futility of environmental reversion/stability. To me, at least.

  • @ToaoRaj It’s true that if the probability and rate of environmental decay didn’t depend on the quantity of immigration or if one doesn’t care about those things, then there is no environmental reason to favor – or oppose – lower immigration. But in fact the probability and rate of environmental decay does depend on the quantity of immigration, and most of us do care about those things. That is probably one reason why polls have consistently shown that a majority of us favor lower immigration.

  • @notanumber6 It's not a matter of "if" the probability and rate of environmental decay depends on the amount of immigration as my post wasn't hypothetical. You're literally presented with two options: 1. Permit immigration and the country declines quickly. 2. Ban it and the country declines relatively slower. The entire premise behind the criminalization of immigration is fundamentally flawed, unless one simply wants their country to decay because of their countrymen and not immigrants.

  • @ToaoRaj So you agree with me that the "rate of environmental decay does depend on the quantity of immigration". Where we disagree is whether that's important. Apparently, you couldn't care less how fast our environment decays. However, most of us do care - a lot. That is why so many of us oppose the current high levels of immigration - over a million per year. PS Please be more careful in characterizing this video - nowhere does it propose banning or criminalizing immigration.

  • @notanumber6 I simply think worrying about how fast the country decays, rather than why it's decaying, is a fatuous concern and shows the shallow perspective of most people who populate this country. Even though this video doesn't propose criminalization of immigration, that's ultimately what's being said. If you aren't going to somehow limit the amount of (presumably undocumented) immigrants coming here, then what's the use of telling us about this supposed problem?

  • @ToaoRaj Obviously, population growth is one of the main reasons "why it's decaying." The primary driver of population growth in the US is immigration. That's why reducing, not criminalizing, immigration is necessary.

  • @notanumber6 Population growth alone isn't the reason. But, population growth coupled with a generally undesirable people is, however. There are a plethora of countries that, while not having the raw amount of people as the US, have far greater population densities whilst remaining comparatively better. A large population isn't the problem at all; it's mostly the type of people who populate the country. Sadly, the average American cares not how they may negatively affect their country.

  • @ToaoRaj Did I say that population growth "alone" is "the" reason? Please try to read my comments more carefully before you respond. The arguments for reducing the level of immigration and stabilizing population have nothing to do with keeping out "undesirable" immigrants. They are based on simple math and ecology, not on what you think is "undesirable". There is no "plethora" of countries with both higher population densities and better environmental conditions than the US.

  • @notanumber6 And did I say that you said that population growth alone was the reason? I suggest you read my comments more closely before suggesting I do the same with yours. Countries with higher densities than the US that are comparatively better? South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Netherlands, Belgium, etc,. It's extraneous to list them all. There are over 175 countries with greater population densities than the US, so naturally, there are a multitude that are better off (generally).

  • @ToaoRaj Your snide first 2 sentences indicate you knew I did not say that population growth “alone” is the reason for environmental decay. So you deliberately criticized me for a statement you knew I didn’t make. Similarly, you twice deliberately and falsely accused the video of favoring “criminalization of immigration.” You apparently have no argument against reducing immigration, and thus population growth, to benefit our environment, other than that you just don’t care about our environment.

  • @notanumber6 Is there any benefit to arguing over who said what? There is no snide. You claim I'm putting words into your mouth, as though if a contention isn't directly related to your comment, then it's essentially a straw man. You don't have to say something for me to mention it. There is no logical basis in assuming I put words into your mouth and there is no point taking it any further than you've already done.

  • @ToaoRaj I never argued with you about “who said what”. YouTube tags every comment with the author, so there would be no point in doing that. Others can decide whether your mimicking of me was snide. Your argument against a contention I did not make is exactly the definition of the straw man fallacy.

  • @notanumber6 It's only a straw man if I claimed you said something you didn't say. What I said, however, was more of a digression than an actual rebuttal against a perceived contention.

  • @ToaoRaj You can label your reply after the fact as a digression if it makes you feel better, but whether your comment was a straw man or a digression, it did not in any way refute my or the video's contention that we would be better off with a lower level of immigration.

  • @notanumber6 Btw, by 'better', I'm not speaking strictly about environmental conditions such as pollution, as you'll find that is a problem everywhere in the world today. Think in broader terms; such as with crime, economy, QOL, education, etc,. It doesn't exactly take a Utopia or a low population density for a country to be better than the USA in all of theses aspects.

    Most Americans erroneously blame their countries poor QOL on immigration. There are a myriad of factors at play, however.

  • @ToaoRaj Current hyper-immigration has had a negative impact not just on population growth and thus pollution and other environmental problems, but also on all the other aspects you mention. I don’t know any rational person who blames declining QOL solely on immigration. But if you study the issue, you’ll find that hyper-immigration has contributed to worsening QOL, education, government deficits, working and middle class wages, public safety and infrastructure, health care availability, etc.

  • @notanumber6 Show me an example of how the declining QOL (which is, in this context, a catch-all term for the environment, infrastructure, education etc) of this country is directly attributable to "hyper-immigration".

  • @ToaoRaj

    How's about more people competing for fewer livable wage jobs. Therefore driving down wage scales. It is already happening in this country open your eyes.

  • @ToaoRaj I don’t need to provide an example. You’ve already stated, “Permit immigration and the country declines quickly.”

  • @notanumber6 Quickly as a result of there being more people; not because of more immigrants. This isn't something most people think, however. But 'more people' will be the case as long as the birth rate here exceeds the death rate; regardless of immigration. The people that I encounter don't see immigration as a negative because of more people, however, but as a negative because of the quality of the immigrants.

  • @ToaoRaj The primary reason there are "more people" is because of immigration, not fertility. America achieved replacement level fertility in 1972, and by now would have a stable population if it weren't for immigration. Suggest you watch the video again.

  • @notanumber6 This is apparently a matter of perspective more so than fact vs fiction. It's all a matter of what one thinks is wrong with the country that ultimately decides whether immigration is a problem or not. It's sort of like pro-life vs pro choice; all a matter of perspective and neither side can be cogently argued against. So let us agree to disagree. Fair enough?

  • @ToaoRaj I agree that that my side, that over-immigration is bad for us, just like overeating is bad for us even though food is good, cannot be cogently argued against. Your replies to my comments are good evidence of that. I disagree that your side cannot be cogently argued against, and I would point to my replies to your comments as evidence, along with more generally an overwhelming body of facts, numbers, logic, and science, a small slice of which is presented quite cogently in this video.

  • @notanumber6 What 'facts'? All I see are statistics being interpreted in a way to match one's beliefs; as is usually the case with most "statistical evidence'. There are no 'facts' or evidence that even so much as implicitly states that legal immigration is negatively affecting this country, or any country or any area of anywhere for that matter. Most statistics are equivocal; an example being in population numbers. It all depends on whether one THINKS a population increase is negative.

  • @ToaoRaj You’ve already stated, “Permit immigration and the country declines quickly.” You’ve also already stated, “The difference between 600 million people in the USA and 300 million is quite simply the rate at which the country decays.” So I suggest you start arguing with your own comments instead of mine.

  • @notanumber6 With a larger population, obviously the country will decline at a faster pace; faster in comparison to the already fast rate in which it's currently declining. Environmentally speaking, however, it doesn't matter if there are 600m people in the US or only 300m and the other 300m somewhere else, as we all inhabit the same planet. If you're worried about pollution, then don't. Secure borders mean nothing in terms of environmental protection.

  • @ToaoRaj Huh?? Of course it matters. Environment damage is not distributed exactly equally planet-wide. Except for global warming and its side effects, it is mostly local. In the list I gave you, almost all of those items are occurring in this country now: species extinctions, habitat loss, topsoil loss, depletion of aquifers, depletion of minerals and fossil fuels, destruction of forests, chemical pollution. Limiting our population is a requirement for preserving our environment.

  • @notanumber6 Environmental damage isn't distributed equally, I agree. Where the pollution/destruction is occurring, will be most effected. However, pollution and environmental destruction in one location does affect the world as a whole; albeit not as much as where the pollution is occurring. Something like depletion of minerals and fossil fuels or rain forest destruction will ultimately affect every living thing that inhabits the planet.

  • @ToaoRaj By that logic, the US should not enact or enforce any law to limit its environmental destruction or to conserve or protect resources because some effects are "ultimately" global. So you must oppose every US park and wilderness area and every US environmental protection law. And the same in any nation. And you must also oppose any American (or other human) voluntarily limiting his or her resource consumption, pollution, or reproduction. How absurd – and a convenient excuse for inaction.

  • @notanumber6 No, I don't actually. I support almost all means of environmental protection. This isn't a matter of what I "must" think/want or what I am for/against, however. but more a matter of acknowledging the fact that some forms of environmental destruction (and its subsequent effects) cannot be prevented merely by environmental protection on a national level. By all means, do what you must for your nation. But don't delude yourself that you're safe from all forms of envir. destruction.

  • @ToaoRaj So if you “don't actually,” then your objection to a US policy of reducing immigration as a “means” to protect its environment fails. Also, you’ve resorted to a straw man argument again. I never argued that immigration reduction would solve all my nation’s environmental problems. So basically you have no point, whereas my point stands that immigration reduction would help protect my nation’s environment. Your opposition to such a policy has no rational basis.

  • @notanumber6 If you understand the futility of closing borders for environmental protection then where is the disagreement? Either my understanding of your argument is wrong (in which case you do think secure borders protects the environment. Otherwise, why close the borders to protect it if nothing is really being protected?) and thus a straw man, or you're arguing nothing but the same thing that I am.

  • @ToaoRaj Your understanding of my argument is wrong and thus a straw man. Once again, and please try harder to understand before replying: Controlling a nation’s borders and restricting immigration are no more futile than controlling a park’s borders and restricting entry into the park. Each measure is necessary to protect the environment and resources within its borders. The fact that these measures are not sufficient does not imply that they are not necessary.

  • @notanumber6 And besides, the world as we know it is becoming more advanced and less destitute. As a result, we're seeing more people from 'developing' countries (the very one's that would usually be the source of most immigration) having less incentive to come to the US or to the West at all. I predict a decrease in immigration to the Western World as more countries that were previously unable become able and as more people come to realize the pretense that is the "Land of Opportunity'.

  • @ToaoRaj I disagree. The earth is dying: global warming, massive species extinctions, more powerful storms, habitat loss, topsoil loss, depletion of aquifers, depletion of minerals and fossil fuels, destruction of rainforests, widespread chemical pollution, etc. The average American’s QOL is worse than 40 years ago. However, I agree with you that with our fast-growing population, hyper-immigration will eventually end because Americans will be as poor as anyone else.

  • @notanumber6 So, the Earth is dying? Is the US not on the Earth? If it is, then how exactly will closing the borders here prevent the Earth from dying? Close the borders and rainforest destruction, mass pollution, topsoil loss, powerful storms, habitat loss, depletion of aquifers and depletion of minerals and fossil fuels will continue unabated and the US will STILL be impacted. So what is your point?

  • @ToaoRaj No, the US is not the Earth.

  • @notanumber6 The US isn't the Earth. But that isn't what I said. The US is on the Earth. Every American is thence a citizen of Earth. But that's stating the obvious, really.

  • @ToaoRaj I agree the US is on the Earth. However, it does not follow that every American is a citizen of the Earth. Please look up the definition of “citizen.” Americans are citizens of the US, to state what truly should be “obvious.” As such, an American “owes allegiance” to the US government and “is entitled to protection from it.” [Merriam-Webster] Until the Earth has a government, which is very unlikely any time in the foreseeable future, there can be no citizen of the Earth.

  • @notanumber6 Okay, you got me. Didn't know you cared so much about semantics. Hows 'denizen' sound, then? If that's not good enough, then how about 'Terrestrian" or "Earthling"?

  • @ToaoRaj You are now correct: Every American is a denizen of the Earth. So what?