Wow! you have been drinking a lot of that stuff haven't you? this is PATHETIC!! the Fluoride they put in your water is a bi product of ALUMINUM, how can that be good?also smarty pants, Fluoride accumulates in your body, the body doesn't flush it out, which means, your body weight ratio is irrelevant, also, one person can drink 1 litter a day and some drink 4, it's not regulated, it's mass medication. you want evidence?check out fluoride alert dot org .
@soullavee So in other words you do not have any other evidence aside from Fluoride Alert. This tells me you went to one source.. good on you. Believe everything you hear and all that jazz.
@shanesmith20m I have researched Fluoride for years, fluoride alert is simply a NONE government website, unlike your fully Rockefeller funded ADA. my knowledge comes from a lot of sources, but i stopped investing time in people like you who are so sure of themselves, they simply don't want to know. how is ingesting something helping your teeth?dentists are like doctors, they know the medications they prescribe are toxic, but they have to prescribe them
This is calcium fluoride in India's water supply which the authorities are trying to get out of the water because it is poisoning the bat shit people in India moron!!!!!!!
"91% of Americans ingesting artificially fluoridated water are consuming silicofluorides1. This is a class of fluoridation chemicals that includes hydrofluosilicic acid and its salt form, sodium fluorosilicate. These chemicals are collected from the pollution scrubbers of the phosphate fertilizer industry. The scrubber liquors contain contaminants such as arsenic, lead, cadmium, mercury, and radioactive particles2, are legally regulated as toxic waste." nteu280 . org - Fluoride - 2003 Statement.
Fluoridation is a poor medical practice --> watch?v=z6oWvRikI78 , The evidence of benefit is very weak --> watch?v=-yq3zZXzU7M , There is no adequate margin of safety --> watch?v=aDYTzsvRZp8 ---> The drawbacks of water fluoridation---> watch?v=1sRWgDff8zY ---> Looking for "horns" doesn't count as proper research---> watch?v=SG9Dj_OAzeg ---> There is no margin of safety for infants---> watch?v=JqMmoQgnXnA
@23ultimatemaster I am getting really sick of this myth. It's not true, look at the scientific data, not the myths spread by the fluoride action network. I am not interested in debating it with your for the umpteenth time.
@shanesmith20m We all know fluoride toothpaste works using it topically. this is known. but drinking it has never been proven to work. the only one of it's kind the 'york report' reviewed 3,231 worldwide studies for and against water fluoridation. it rejected 93% of them. only 214 were used but were only a grade 'C' (poor quality research with a risk of bias). The only reason the anti fluoridation people are shouting loud is because of the water fluoridation lies that have been told.
@daleyboy50 The American Dental Association says otherwise. And they have the data to prove it. look it up on their site. There are hundreds of studies that show it's ethical and effective. Also try evidence based dentistry.
@shanesmith20m Of course they do the ADA is as pro-water fluoridation as they come. The york report was surprised to find 'all' research was poor quality. Your just reading the pro-water fluoridation evidence. There is just as much evidence the opposite and showing teeth continuing to improve when water fluoridation stopped. i.e Finland and Germany.
@daleyboy50 In my search, I've found around 40 studies that are anti-fluoride. Most of which involve a high dose of fluoride, not related to water fluoridation. Do you know where there is more? So far you are siting one meta analysis. Not even a study. You keep mentioning poor quality studies. Those are common as exploratory studies in science. For this reason mentioning poor quality studies are meaningless as there are still many high quality studies that support the idea of water fluoridation.
@shanesmith20m The fact is both sides are guilty of using unreliable studies and i will trust an unbiased systematic review of them rather than take your word that many are 'quality studies'. You are biased and have no idea. You might be interested to know there are traces of arsenic and lead too in 'hexafluorosilicic acid'. check wiki. Your vid title should read 'hexafluorosilicic acid + lead + arsenic in the water, good stuff!' enjoy it...
@daleyboy50 Arsenic and lead get in the water naturally (like fluoride). The filtering process is not perfect, you will never get it all out unless you distill it. have you tasted distilled water? yuk. Plus if you do that you loose other natural minerals in the water that benefit you. (like fluoride, calcium, and iron)
I told you why some "bad" studies are that way. And for you to trust one study vs. hundreds of others is the dishonest thing here. Unscientific as it ignores peer review.
@shanesmith20m It's not the science i am worried about. Poor studies enable you to pick & choose figures that suit an agenda or don't look at the wider picture or other aspects. They can't be trusted. Take for instance the 'Centers for Disease Control (1999) -
Tooth Decay in the U.S. vs Fluoridation Status' Graph that sold water fluoridation as top 10 health achievements to the US people. This fooled lots of people. Fluoridated water or not Fluoridated this was happening worldwide. Poor studies.
@daleyboy50 This just brings me back to my previous question. Do you have another resource aside from the one meta analysis you have shown me? I can show reviews of the meta analysis you site, that (if I remember correctly) show that you are misreading the results of the analysis. You are asserting that since there are a few bad quality studies (which I don't deny) that all the studies are bad (which I do deny). and you are failing to show me the evidence. Until you show this, I agree with CDC.
@shanesmith20m Dito.. You haven't shown me any undeniable evidence 'hexafluorosilicic acid' is safe. Or drinking it helps tooth decay. Until then i will keep drinking my non fluoridated water because we don't here. By the way my teeth are fine. All you do is brush them twice a day. Simple.
@shanesmith20m This is what you call high the quality evidence. 'American dental assoc. responds to 2 Reports'. No evidence on 'hexafluorosilicic acid' actually helping tooth decay. I give up.
@daleyboy50 As I said, they where the easy ones. And the studies are listed in the first resource. did you even bother to look at the research? or did you just skim through the article? I would say something about "take an argument on it's merits and not who says it" but I'm sure that will go through one ear and out the other given your record so far.
Besides, I have shown you 357 more then you have shown me. Do you just not have the evidence? Or are you just lazy?
@shanesmith20m well i won't answer these silly questions. I have already said there is poor quality on both sides and i am not going to get into a pro fluoride no fluoride debate. It's pointless. 'hexafluorosilicic acid' toxin shouldn't be there in the water in the first place. I will leave you with this thought though.. don't you think it was a bit of a round-about way of doing things.. when 50 years ago they added it to the water supply without quality research on it's safety and efficiency?
@daleyboy50 I have already addressed the "'hexafluorosilicic acid' toxin". your only problem with it that I have herd is that it is an acid, and the "arsenic" thing. both of which I addressed.
50 years ago we didn't know what we knew now, and the studies they had where the highest quality they could do at the time. not to mention, it was observed that naturally fluoridated cites had better dental health and no side effects. Basically nature did most the research for them.
@shanesmith20m good i am glad you admit there was nothing but poor quality studies that gave you the 'hexafluorosilicic acid' toxin in your water to start with. There is good reason water fluoridation was pretty much stopped in Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, German Democratic Republic, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Finland, Japan..
Are you even reading my comments? this reply is nonsensical in context of what I said.
No I did not admit that there was "nothing but poor quality studies". At worst I am saying that some where, but today's studies are much higher quality given our knowledge AND THEY CONFIRM THEIR RESULTS BACK THEN.
I sent a link giving studies, articles, and reviews as of this year. Which would be the most recent information we have to date.
@OneOfTheWatched Research the sources in the fluoride deception. Learn from the source. Have the dribble in that book is falsified, the other half is exaggerated.
Good luck with your flouride drinking. Make sure you give your kids some as well. We need to thin the sheeple population down so we can take our country back from the offshore banking cartel. You can get prescription strength toothpaste from your dentist, so it will speed up the brain damage. I recommend you get some at once, and tell all your friends and family to use extra flouride. They will thank you in the end. (sarcasim intended).
@megaohmz look up the sources i gave. the fluoride action network's "evidence" is based on incorrect assumptions, pseudo science, and just plain bullshit.
@shanesmith20m There is no conspiracy. Hexafluorosilicic acid is what they put in your water. See wiki. Stay away from the confusing and pointless pro fluoride - no fluoride debate. this is a 'hexafluorosilicic acid' debate. fluoride the non essential mineral and hexafluorosilicic acid a by product so corrosive it will burn through concrete. Hardly the same thing. More to the point you won't find any safety research or proof hexafluorosilicic acid helps the teeth.
@shanesmith20m I lied. hexafluorosilicic just did not sound familiar.
I see no valid sources that show fluoroscopic acid as toxic in the doses added to water.
You say it burns through concrete, but vinegar can eat away a penny. Besides, acidity is neutralized when diluted in water. Check it. test the PH of your drinking water and it should be very close to 7, which is neutral. Basic chemistry dude.
@shanesmith20m Call it what you will..(hexafluorosilicic, hexafluosilicic, hydrofluosilicic, and silicofluoric acid) Your missing the main point.. why add the by-product to the water supply if there is no evidence drinking it is good for your teeth? or absolutley nothing on it's safety? This is why some local authorities are moving away from water fluoridation.
@daleyboy50 The myth that ingested fluoride does not promote oral health is just that a myth. Besides that it's ethicacy has been shown through decades of it's safe use.
@shanesmith20m The real myth is thinking Ingesting 'hexafluorosilicic acid' is good for your teeth. brushing your teeth with natural accurring fluoride helps and is actually proven. You forget to point out fluoride is an accumalitive poison that builds year after year in your whole body including your brain. Plus you ignore that the US has a problem with over exposure of fluoride. Check dental fluorosis US stats on wiki.
Google "National Research Council" Fluoride in Drinking Water. It was commissioned by the EPA. And, the Fluoride Action Network has loads of evidence from the scientific literature. You are not looking thoroughtly enough. Look for Scientific American January 2008. can't give you much info in this little space
@nyscof I believe I found what you are looking at, and these studies where done in third world countries, and the subjects had a much higher dosage of fluoride then given in the US water system. Also these are a summery of the studies, I see no comments from the EPA regarding the implications of these studies. I am considering doing a new video addressing the claims of this site. If there is anything specific that you want me to look at or consider, send the link to me though PM.
Modern science indicates that ingesting fluoride does not reduce tooth decay but does expose individuals to fluoride's adverse effects. Check out the Fluroide Action Network. Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor essential for healthy teeth. Fluoride is a drug and like all drugs has side effects. Gov't statistics show 41% of adolescents display fluoride overdose symptoms as discolored teeth (dental fluorosis) You need to do much more research,
@nyscof I have seen the fluoride action networks site, it does not site the proper research. please tell me exactly where you get you information from. what scientific literature can you site for this information?
search for a documentary "Making a killing"...may the force be with you in your "Real world"
soullavee 3 weeks ago
Wow! you have been drinking a lot of that stuff haven't you? this is PATHETIC!! the Fluoride they put in your water is a bi product of ALUMINUM, how can that be good?also smarty pants, Fluoride accumulates in your body, the body doesn't flush it out, which means, your body weight ratio is irrelevant, also, one person can drink 1 litter a day and some drink 4, it's not regulated, it's mass medication. you want evidence?check out fluoride alert dot org .
soullavee 3 weeks ago
@soullavee Flouride alert really? Please give me some REAL evidence that supports your claims.
shanesmith20m 3 weeks ago
@shanesmith20m Then keep drinking the stuff..who gives a shit!!
soullavee 3 weeks ago
@soullavee So in other words you do not have any other evidence aside from Fluoride Alert. This tells me you went to one source.. good on you. Believe everything you hear and all that jazz.
shanesmith20m 3 weeks ago
@shanesmith20m I have researched Fluoride for years, fluoride alert is simply a NONE government website, unlike your fully Rockefeller funded ADA. my knowledge comes from a lot of sources, but i stopped investing time in people like you who are so sure of themselves, they simply don't want to know. how is ingesting something helping your teeth?dentists are like doctors, they know the medications they prescribe are toxic, but they have to prescribe them
soullavee 3 weeks ago
@soullavee Now doctors are bad? Get off your conspiracy theory binge and come join us all in the real world.
shanesmith20m 3 weeks ago
Your really using science in your comments aren't you, keep drinking that hydrofluorosilicic acid which btw has a MSDS for you to read.
Google fluoride spill in Illinois batshit and see what you find!!!!!
darrt6 1 month ago
@darrt6
The MSDS are exaggerated to the max. Look for the MSDS of salt (sodium chloride). Then see if it is as bad as you think.
weiming1998 3 weeks ago
youtube.com/watch?v=KPda_14pXjg&feature=channel_video_title
This is calcium fluoride in India's water supply which the authorities are trying to get out of the water because it is poisoning the bat shit people in India moron!!!!!!!
darrt6 1 month ago
"91% of Americans ingesting artificially fluoridated water are consuming silicofluorides1. This is a class of fluoridation chemicals that includes hydrofluosilicic acid and its salt form, sodium fluorosilicate. These chemicals are collected from the pollution scrubbers of the phosphate fertilizer industry. The scrubber liquors contain contaminants such as arsenic, lead, cadmium, mercury, and radioactive particles2, are legally regulated as toxic waste." nteu280 . org - Fluoride - 2003 Statement.
MilduraWarrior 1 month ago
BOOK: 'The Case Against Fluoride' by Dr. Paul Connett, Dr. James Beck & Dr. Spedding Micklem. ISBN: 9781603582872 - read it. educate yourself.
AFAMildura 1 month ago
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Fluoridation is a poor medical practice --> watch?v=z6oWvRikI78 , The evidence of benefit is very weak --> watch?v=-yq3zZXzU7M , There is no adequate margin of safety --> watch?v=aDYTzsvRZp8 ---> The drawbacks of water fluoridation---> watch?v=1sRWgDff8zY ---> Looking for "horns" doesn't count as proper research---> watch?v=SG9Dj_OAzeg ---> There is no margin of safety for infants---> watch?v=JqMmoQgnXnA
AFAMildura 1 month ago
calcium fluoride is good for your teeth, sodium fluoride, that is in the water is toxic.
23ultimatemaster 2 months ago
@23ultimatemaster I am getting really sick of this myth. It's not true, look at the scientific data, not the myths spread by the fluoride action network. I am not interested in debating it with your for the umpteenth time.
shanesmith20m 2 months ago
@shanesmith20m watch?v=ViNNIwmzTzI
MilduraWarrior 1 month ago
@OneOfTheWatched I won't bother going over it, as the work is tedious. However it has already been done for me. sent the link.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m We all know fluoride toothpaste works using it topically. this is known. but drinking it has never been proven to work. the only one of it's kind the 'york report' reviewed 3,231 worldwide studies for and against water fluoridation. it rejected 93% of them. only 214 were used but were only a grade 'C' (poor quality research with a risk of bias). The only reason the anti fluoridation people are shouting loud is because of the water fluoridation lies that have been told.
daleyboy50 3 months ago
@daleyboy50 The American Dental Association says otherwise. And they have the data to prove it. look it up on their site. There are hundreds of studies that show it's ethical and effective. Also try evidence based dentistry.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m Of course they do the ADA is as pro-water fluoridation as they come. The york report was surprised to find 'all' research was poor quality. Your just reading the pro-water fluoridation evidence. There is just as much evidence the opposite and showing teeth continuing to improve when water fluoridation stopped. i.e Finland and Germany.
daleyboy50 3 months ago
@daleyboy50 In my search, I've found around 40 studies that are anti-fluoride. Most of which involve a high dose of fluoride, not related to water fluoridation. Do you know where there is more? So far you are siting one meta analysis. Not even a study. You keep mentioning poor quality studies. Those are common as exploratory studies in science. For this reason mentioning poor quality studies are meaningless as there are still many high quality studies that support the idea of water fluoridation.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m The fact is both sides are guilty of using unreliable studies and i will trust an unbiased systematic review of them rather than take your word that many are 'quality studies'. You are biased and have no idea. You might be interested to know there are traces of arsenic and lead too in 'hexafluorosilicic acid'. check wiki. Your vid title should read 'hexafluorosilicic acid + lead + arsenic in the water, good stuff!' enjoy it...
daleyboy50 3 months ago
@daleyboy50 Arsenic and lead get in the water naturally (like fluoride). The filtering process is not perfect, you will never get it all out unless you distill it. have you tasted distilled water? yuk. Plus if you do that you loose other natural minerals in the water that benefit you. (like fluoride, calcium, and iron)
I told you why some "bad" studies are that way. And for you to trust one study vs. hundreds of others is the dishonest thing here. Unscientific as it ignores peer review.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m It's not the science i am worried about. Poor studies enable you to pick & choose figures that suit an agenda or don't look at the wider picture or other aspects. They can't be trusted. Take for instance the 'Centers for Disease Control (1999) -
Tooth Decay in the U.S. vs Fluoridation Status' Graph that sold water fluoridation as top 10 health achievements to the US people. This fooled lots of people. Fluoridated water or not Fluoridated this was happening worldwide. Poor studies.
daleyboy50 3 months ago
@daleyboy50 This just brings me back to my previous question. Do you have another resource aside from the one meta analysis you have shown me? I can show reviews of the meta analysis you site, that (if I remember correctly) show that you are misreading the results of the analysis. You are asserting that since there are a few bad quality studies (which I don't deny) that all the studies are bad (which I do deny). and you are failing to show me the evidence. Until you show this, I agree with CDC.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m Dito.. You haven't shown me any undeniable evidence 'hexafluorosilicic acid' is safe. Or drinking it helps tooth decay. Until then i will keep drinking my non fluoridated water because we don't here. By the way my teeth are fine. All you do is brush them twice a day. Simple.
daleyboy50 3 months ago
@daleyboy50 A response to the NRC's report on fluoridation has been sent
Link with facts about fluoridation listing 358 high quality pro-fluoridation studies has been sent
Fluoride does not cause cancer link sent
Scientific facts on fluoride sent.
These are just the easily accessible studies. I've shown you mine now you show me yours.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m This is what you call high the quality evidence. 'American dental assoc. responds to 2 Reports'. No evidence on 'hexafluorosilicic acid' actually helping tooth decay. I give up.
daleyboy50 3 months ago
@daleyboy50 As I said, they where the easy ones. And the studies are listed in the first resource. did you even bother to look at the research? or did you just skim through the article? I would say something about "take an argument on it's merits and not who says it" but I'm sure that will go through one ear and out the other given your record so far.
Besides, I have shown you 357 more then you have shown me. Do you just not have the evidence? Or are you just lazy?
Another resource: Pubmed
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m Opps sorry, the second link has all the studies.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m well i won't answer these silly questions. I have already said there is poor quality on both sides and i am not going to get into a pro fluoride no fluoride debate. It's pointless. 'hexafluorosilicic acid' toxin shouldn't be there in the water in the first place. I will leave you with this thought though.. don't you think it was a bit of a round-about way of doing things.. when 50 years ago they added it to the water supply without quality research on it's safety and efficiency?
daleyboy50 3 months ago
@daleyboy50 I have already addressed the "'hexafluorosilicic acid' toxin". your only problem with it that I have herd is that it is an acid, and the "arsenic" thing. both of which I addressed.
50 years ago we didn't know what we knew now, and the studies they had where the highest quality they could do at the time. not to mention, it was observed that naturally fluoridated cites had better dental health and no side effects. Basically nature did most the research for them.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m good i am glad you admit there was nothing but poor quality studies that gave you the 'hexafluorosilicic acid' toxin in your water to start with. There is good reason water fluoridation was pretty much stopped in Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Czechoslovakia, German Democratic Republic, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Finland, Japan..
daleyboy50 3 months ago
Are you even reading my comments? this reply is nonsensical in context of what I said.
No I did not admit that there was "nothing but poor quality studies". At worst I am saying that some where, but today's studies are much higher quality given our knowledge AND THEY CONFIRM THEIR RESULTS BACK THEN.
I sent a link giving studies, articles, and reviews as of this year. Which would be the most recent information we have to date.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m sent you PubMed research on the opposite.
daleyboy50 3 months ago
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daleyboy50 3 months ago
@OneOfTheWatched Research the sources in the fluoride deception. Learn from the source. Have the dribble in that book is falsified, the other half is exaggerated.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
ahahahha,
nunebanuno 6 months ago
Good luck with your flouride drinking. Make sure you give your kids some as well. We need to thin the sheeple population down so we can take our country back from the offshore banking cartel. You can get prescription strength toothpaste from your dentist, so it will speed up the brain damage. I recommend you get some at once, and tell all your friends and family to use extra flouride. They will thank you in the end. (sarcasim intended).
megaohmz 8 months ago
@megaohmz look up the sources i gave. the fluoride action network's "evidence" is based on incorrect assumptions, pseudo science, and just plain bullshit.
shanesmith20m 6 months ago
@shanesmith20m There is no conspiracy. Hexafluorosilicic acid is what they put in your water. See wiki. Stay away from the confusing and pointless pro fluoride - no fluoride debate. this is a 'hexafluorosilicic acid' debate. fluoride the non essential mineral and hexafluorosilicic acid a by product so corrosive it will burn through concrete. Hardly the same thing. More to the point you won't find any safety research or proof hexafluorosilicic acid helps the teeth.
daleyboy50 3 months ago
@daleyboy50 First time I've herd that, and not even the point of the video.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m I lied. hexafluorosilicic just did not sound familiar.
I see no valid sources that show fluoroscopic acid as toxic in the doses added to water.
You say it burns through concrete, but vinegar can eat away a penny. Besides, acidity is neutralized when diluted in water. Check it. test the PH of your drinking water and it should be very close to 7, which is neutral. Basic chemistry dude.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m Call it what you will..(hexafluorosilicic, hexafluosilicic, hydrofluosilicic, and silicofluoric acid) Your missing the main point.. why add the by-product to the water supply if there is no evidence drinking it is good for your teeth? or absolutley nothing on it's safety? This is why some local authorities are moving away from water fluoridation.
daleyboy50 3 months ago
@daleyboy50 The myth that ingested fluoride does not promote oral health is just that a myth. Besides that it's ethicacy has been shown through decades of it's safe use.
shanesmith20m 3 months ago
@shanesmith20m The real myth is thinking Ingesting 'hexafluorosilicic acid' is good for your teeth. brushing your teeth with natural accurring fluoride helps and is actually proven. You forget to point out fluoride is an accumalitive poison that builds year after year in your whole body including your brain. Plus you ignore that the US has a problem with over exposure of fluoride. Check dental fluorosis US stats on wiki.
daleyboy50 3 months ago
Google "National Research Council" Fluoride in Drinking Water. It was commissioned by the EPA. And, the Fluoride Action Network has loads of evidence from the scientific literature. You are not looking thoroughtly enough. Look for Scientific American January 2008. can't give you much info in this little space
nyscof 11 months ago
@nyscof I believe I found what you are looking at, and these studies where done in third world countries, and the subjects had a much higher dosage of fluoride then given in the US water system. Also these are a summery of the studies, I see no comments from the EPA regarding the implications of these studies. I am considering doing a new video addressing the claims of this site. If there is anything specific that you want me to look at or consider, send the link to me though PM.
shanesmith20m 11 months ago
@nyscof
I sent you a link with an easy to read response and summery of the fluoride debate, as well as sourced data if you would like to dig any deeper.
shanesmith20m 11 months ago
Modern science indicates that ingesting fluoride does not reduce tooth decay but does expose individuals to fluoride's adverse effects. Check out the Fluroide Action Network. Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor essential for healthy teeth. Fluoride is a drug and like all drugs has side effects. Gov't statistics show 41% of adolescents display fluoride overdose symptoms as discolored teeth (dental fluorosis) You need to do much more research,
nyscof 11 months ago
@nyscof I have seen the fluoride action networks site, it does not site the proper research. please tell me exactly where you get you information from. what scientific literature can you site for this information?
shanesmith20m 11 months ago
Well prepared and even better cited video my friend.
Props. :D
rtottenc 11 months ago
Nice to see a sane view on this. I'd really hate to see the teeth of these rednecks' children.
allbabiesareatheists 11 months ago