@Oreceo aaand how do YOU know all that stuff? have you talked to these people? anyone can call anything propaganda & claim that people have an agenda for it. this film shows plenty of interviews from both sides, & ben stein (who isn't a christian) asks questions that allow for debate. i love how dawkins & many others on his side are outright atheists, yet no says anything about THEM having an agenda. but if a scientist happens to have christian beliefs, he is immediately accused of having one.
the reason that intelligent design is not allowed is simply this, it's a remnant of a very archaic ignorant time in human history. back when the consensus was if you can't explain it come up with the easiest possible thing. ppl who try to prove it now a days are simply clinging to an outdated idea and it promotes nothing but ignorance, at best you can explain what the idea is and tell them there are those who believe it, no further.
@CallMeMrX Atheists represent! We need state atheism! Enforced Atheism. Let the rivers flow with the blood of many millions, without which state atheism has never occured!!!! viva REVOLUTION, RELIGION IS CHILD ABuSE
LOL, time code 6:22 he states education in America is appalling! I wonder why!
One hundred years of humanist and atheistic philosophies are directly responsible for 175 million deaths world wide. I heard a professor once say religion is the cause of all wars. Seems as though the humanists religion has out distanced everyone and lapped them several times. It is the duty of science to seek truth, if science stumbles across some intelligence appearing to be divine along the way, is that so bad!
Ben Stein : DUH! Where's the Discovery Institute? DUH! HUH! HUH! HUH! Perhaps I can help you. While you're wondering around town like a moron, just go into any public library, access a computer, then do a Google search. You will find links to their web site, and click on contact information for their address and phone number. Now, does that help? Gee! What a freaking retard! This movie exposes his stupidity. Actually, he just euphemistically pulled his own pants down in public like an IDiot!!!
I once read a book titled Deconstructing Psychopathology and after reading it contacted the author who was a Head of Psychology at a university. When I mentioned spirituality he actually said 'talking about that is very dangerous'!! lol
Are you kidding me? You guys are saying Intelligent Design is far fetched and improbable? One God created the earth and all of its creatures. Simple. You guys believe that SOMEHOW the universe was created with the Big Bang and SOMEHOW life came to Earth and SOMEHOW it became more and more advanced until it culminated in human beings? Evolution is a joke, its simply a way of saying "oh we human beings are the greatest form of life on Earth, look what we have become from dumb animals" its pathetic
@TwolfStud whats pathetic is your inability to reason.. I would like to toss you and your bible into Cameroon, next to some "stupid" chimpanzees, and see which species then survived... the only reason you don't believe in natural selection is because you're not subjected to it. and don't ever question technology and science unless you live in a cave lighting fires with flint... Religion is a privilege that science and technology has granted you and you seem pretty ungrateful..
wait wait.....lol are the christians actually crying that people are picking on them and trying to "shut them up"?..... I call that kharma bitches, or have you forgotten how your kind have literally killed heretics, witches, and anyone who spoke different of your flat earth, man in the clouds idea. Dipshits...talk about pot callin' the kettle black.
@Cbertian what an idiot. witches? ur bringing up something hundreds of yrs old that happened in a little town. vast majority dont do that. how would u like to be insulted because of what a few ppl did hundreds of years ago which had NOTHING to do with YOU?
@nikitty020 I wouldn't mind being insulted for what a few people did hundreds of years ago. Also i mentioned a few other things more than just "witches". Here I'll give you a few more; Heresy, Spanish inquisition, Charlemagne to name a few. You can't tell me you're honestly going to play the ignorance card to the simple murder that christians have been doing since there beginning in the name of god, let alone their oppression. Off topic; Are you Japanese?
@Cbertian what about what anti-religion communist atheists did yrs ago(stalin,lenin,pol pot, mao) killing millions for believing in God/practicing religion? looks like you're playing the ignorance card.
@nikitty020 They did what they did for power. Not because they were atheists. That is like saying you will kill someone because you don't collect stamps. It is just impossible. Stalin outlawed the church because the church had more power than the government, than him. He wanted to take no chances, and outlawed it. That way, he would have the most power.
I.D. is an unprovable hypothesis. Just because something is complex, or effecient or beautiful does not mean it was created by God. If you think that is the case than you have made the assumption that complexity must come from something more complex. That has never been proven.
The best I.D. can do is postulate that IF we were designed, the designer must be one smart cookie(at least according to human standards). However it has NEVER made a decent case that we are actually designed.
I absolutely LOVE how they made the "evolutionists" (aka the actual scientists) look like angry oppressive idiots. They cherry-picked quotations and made them as brief as possible to make evolutionists look like rambling lunatics.
What?! Baylor University? The largest Baptist University in the world? Whose motto is For Church, For Texas? I attend Baylor and SERIOUSLY doubt that they fired Mr. Marks because he mentioned Intelligent Design. Most professors at Baylor are Christians and I only have one professor (my neuroscience professor) who is an outspoken atheist. There is obviously some major errors in the research acquired for this film!
she should have pointed out, that Ricahrd Dawkins SPAGGHETTI MONSTER does exist, so why cant god ?
you, in an INFINITE univaers (as scientists insist it is), there MUST be infinite POSSIBILITES, and INFINITE POSSBILITY = CERTAINTY.
As Dawkins himself said "god could exist, but the chances are very slim".
But in an infinite universe, something which has a slim chance is CERTAIN to exist - including the spaghetti monster, and wotan, zeus and the giant teapot.
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome No scientist claims the universe is infinite, we know that it is 13.7 billion years old, and we know that it expands at a gradual increasing rate. Get your facts straight. And even if the universe was infinite, that would not mean a God could exist, because it would still have to abide by the laws that govern the universe, and many Christians claim God is not tanglible, so your argument is a fallacy in every way imaginable.
Yeh, yeh, people like you believe anything they are told to. When you were told the earth was flat you believed it, then you believed the atom couldnt be spilt, then you beliveed neanderthol was the missing link, then piltdown man, then lucy, and now you believe whatever you are told, by any idiot who claims to be on the "side of science".
The fact that many scientists belivee the opposite doesnt matter - cus its the "accepted" view, that count s- one little hard core FACTION !
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Dude, scientists keep finding new evidence, when they do they change the theory because they were wrong. The people who thought those things didnt have as much evidence as we have now.
Tell me what the hubble is really seeing if its not 300 000 years after the big bang. Why do we get the pictures we do?
What i DO know is that light BENDS, when it passes round planets (something you should know), and therefore, so should other, if not all energy/rediation
Therefore, if you look up at the sky, it HAS to be a mis-shaped version of the truth, because there is light bending all over the place
So, what is seen on a telescope can NOT be exactly correct, especially with the vast distances and random stars etc
Also, you know NOTHING about DARK MATTER so HOW can you be certain of ANYTHING?
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Yes light bends.Do you mean to say I should believe that but not the Hubble evidence?
So the light or whatever we see from Hubble could have bent from its line and arranged itself into such a position that through hubble it looks like the universe came from a singularity? But it didnt? Interesting idea! What would do that?
No, i didnt say that - what i DID say is that it CANT be a perfectly true picture, and we dont know ho wfalse it is !
So its NOT 100% reliable.
Also, so what if the entire universe came from the big bang ?
That deosnt dissprove God - he may have been there, and mad eit happen.
Imagine 2 goldfish, and one says to the other "im sure there is something beyond the glass", and the other says "dont be silly, that completely goes against our present scientific understanding".
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Are you just saying dont compleetely believe what you hear without checking it out (thats basically what science is) or do you just have some grudge against science. Its really hard to tell.
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome This is a freakin hilerious conversation! We are in total agreement really!
Yes, the entirety of everything must be infinite. Which is of course impossible. So theres something else (crap, thats impossible too....... mabey). I guess scientists dont put research into that one or their heads would too often explode.
The Hubble evidence is very, very strong evidence though. Lots of knowledgable folks have seen it.
Seriously, people liek you cant show a serious argument. You claim that the universe expands at a gradual increasing rate, but you cant be specific. The ONLY thing you are certain of, in your "superior" little bubble, is that God CANT exist.
I honestly believe that peopel who speak such random rubbish, as you (which cant be argued against, because its SO lacking in substance), are actually aLL homos or sad little idiots (probably BOTH)
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Evidently you prefer trolling rather than engaging in intelligable conversations about this topic which you also evidently care greatly about considering you watched this movie. Unfortunately we are on opposing sides, and you decide to hide your ignorance by trolling. And as a matter of fact, you learned nothing at all about me from my name, my name is actually quite irrelevant, however I will boldly assert that yours much more reflects your personality.
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Ok? And my youtube account buttface because it is completely unrelating to anything, and is completely irrelevant. The only thing you did by replying is demonstrate exactly what I said in my last comment. I think it is about time you grow up and stop trolling. You think you are getting somewhere because I reply, and you are going nowhere. You fail.
I clearly demonstrated WHY i used my username (to prevent idiots form constantly using my lack of will to correct my fast typing mistakes, for their stupid benefit). Thats a CLEARLY itnelluigent move, because it WORKS (except with EXCEPTIONAL IDIOTS)
But YOU say there is NO meaning in your name, whcih begs the questin, why isnt your name something else ? Why not "happyclever" or "verysmart"?
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Ok, if your gonna troll then I'm done. I'm not 100% sure, but I think you were trying to spell "unintelligent." In reality, the only thing unintelligent is every one of your responses, mainly because all you are doing is trolling and you clearly enjoy because it gives you a false sense of entitlement. Unfortunately, it also creates the illusion that my responses are out of sheer anger, which is only motivates you to continue, and that is why u fail. Don't bother responding.
according to this movie scientists rejecting a widely panned theory and criticizing those that give it credence=THE NAZIS AND THE GULAGS AND THE SPANISH INQUISITION
Should not Charles Darwin be exhumed to see what progress time has been made in his putrefaction and fossilization? Even people in sweaters are partially nude.
[INTERNET: In 1912, the First International Congress of Eugenics was held at the University of London. The president of the Congress was Major Leonard Darwin, son of Charles Darwin and one of the first English vice presidents was Sir Winston Churchill, later Prime Minister of England.]
( ̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅[̲̅ ̲̅]̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅ ) Religion is Man's attempt to explain the metaphysical world. "Atheism" is the elitists' religion designed to subjugate Man by denying his incomparable value. Elitism spawns Darwinism, infanticide, "terra"-forming, collectivism, eugenics, fluoridated water, animal "rights," the E.R.A., the Z.P.G. movt., fiat money, gun & water rights, land confiscation.
A conjecture does not meet the definition of the word "science" whose derivation is fr. the Latin verb "scire" meaning "to know." To suppose, theorize, guess, as had Darwin & his bootlicks, is not scientific. Darwinism is a relic of the 19th century. It fills a religious void in the warped minds of Western-Civilization-destroying "atheists."
evolutionism n -s 1 : a theory of evolution (as in philosophy, biology, or sociology) – see DARWINISM 2 : adherence to or belief in evolution esp. of living beings [Fr. p. 789 of “Webster's Unabridged Dictionary” 1967]
THEORY is CONJECTURE therefor it does not meet the definition of science which comes from the Latin verb "scire": to know. A THEORY is proffered as a probability, and never as a FACT. How is it that you are ignorant as to the meanings/derivations of the words: science, theory & Darwinism?
There are lots of pricey books with depictions of proto-humans. There's Ken Miller with his charts. Ye of little Faith: No proof is needed to believe in Chuckle Darwin's monkeyed hypothesis.
This movement to promote "Intelligent Design" is a movement that only seeks to increase ignorance of biology and dynamism in natural world. Ben Stein is about the most retarded conservative since George W. Bush to say that "the jury is out on evolution."
You don't want God to exist regardless of any evidence case or argument no matter what you would not except because you like the idea of there being no God to judge you and hold you accountable for your life don't admit it to me but in your heart you know this is true.
@supashoota Would you hire a lover of law who thinks murder is good? How about a lover of art who finds art in burning the paintings of others? These people are like scientists who believe in a flat earth...
@gentzelpwns Say the "lover of law" didn't think murder was good, he just thought that sometimes it might be necessary (self defense), but all other lawyers told him to shut up, and not to think, because "everyone knows murder is always bad"? To me this isn't about creationism,Evolution or even Id its about suppression.I'm not a
fan of this kind of suppression not even on people I disagree with.
@supashoota It is being suppressed because of the moral implications. It dumbs down people to avoid the beautiful logic of evolution which applies to the spread of even religion itself (notice the two largest religions in the world are the ones that use the threat of "hell" for disbelief). It is making an excuse for the religious, no atheist believes in intelligent design. Believing that intelligence came BEFORE life adds SO many logical problems to science, it is a totally flawed theory.
Have you ever heard Neil DeGrasse Tyson speak of intelligent design? He calls it "stupid design." Sure there are a few nifty things that you would not expect to evolve and that appear intelligent... but look at the retarded stuff. Our eyes cannot see most of the electromagnetic spectrum leaving us vulnerable to radiation, and toxic invisible gasses. We eat, drink, and talk with the same opening in our body, guaranteeing that some of us choke to death every year... allow me to continue -->
Our organs dangle from our backbone since they evolved in animals which walked on all fours... this means that many of us will end up with tangled intestines, hernias, and all sorts of internal problems. Only a tiny, tiny, tiny, TINY FRACTION of the universe does not kill us INSTANTLY, yet ID theorists arrogantly say, "oh look, it was made for us!" What about AIDS? Birth defects? Small pox? Disease in general? Cool design for a benevolent creator. Still got more to come -->
Earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes.. I bet those sure help life along! Hmmm, the sun is going to explode in 6 billions years, that's cool too. Well, even if humans are screwed, lets see how well God designed normal animals! There is a species of wasps that lays eggs by stinging living maggots over the entirety of their nervous system with just enough venom to paralyze them, yet not kill them. After this the wasp lays it's eggs inside and baby wasps eat their way out of the living maggot...
@supashoota You should not waist time debating fools over the internet, If somethings is wrong and the no it, as long as it supports their view they will go along with. Learn this lesson early and aviod assholes spamming you with bullshit theories
@trippinlikegod I Know im right -thats Faith, but not blind faith, the Scriptures have Gods supernatural imprint written right through, -if it didnt add up i would have discarded Christianity long ago. There is only true religion and false religion in the world. Buddah s still in his tomb, so is mohammed, etc -Christ is risen , thats the difference. Everything in life and the world and history is to do with Christ and his sacrifice for us on the cross -nothing else matters.
@trippinlikegod It is the unbelievers that need to be concerned with their condition, Christians have nothing to worry about. The ungodly have consciences -they all know there is more to life than this. The earth and universe too, is all too fine tuned to be just by chance, -you can't bury your heads in the sand for ever.
CONSCIENCE -- now theres a thing that the evolutionists have trouble understanding, and how it evolved.
@NeroTheAtheist The foolishness of God is wiser than men, (1cor 1v25). Mankind thinks hes the ruler of his own destiny, -he is totally corrupt from head to foot. The natural man won't desire Godly spiritual matters, only if you seek to know him will you change. Its easier to be an athiest -do your own thing , no God -no responsibilty. The Truth is in Scripture -it has a supernatural imprint. The ancient Jewish religion was copied by all others, when they once had the truth.
You're right, I do not desire "godly spiritual matters". I do not desire being a blood thirsty sadist who subjects an imperfect creation to punishment because of my own faults. I do not desire creating someone so that they will live a life that will lead them to hell. I do not desire being so self absorbed that I demand people love me or punish them for eternity.
@NeroTheAtheist Really to be honest there really isn't that much evidence of Evolution. I'm not saying there isn't proof of it, and it's perfectly reasonable to believe in evolution because of the proof, but there really aren't mountains of evidence. Scientists confuse "Mountains of evidence" with very Convincing evidence. The evidence of evolution is very convincing, but theres not much of it.
There is evidence to support Noahs Flood, it's a theory called the "Hydroplate Theory"
Actually, there are "mountains of evidence" for evolution. The very definition of evolution is an incredibly well documented phenomenon. To suggest otherwise is to admit stupidity.
@NeroTheAtheist There are big questions in evolution, which are best answered with an intelligent designer. Whats so wrong with that? And yeah, like scientists don't want to push their opinions? Watch later in the film, and you'll hear a man talking about religion as if it's a poison that needs to be kept in the basement of society. Just because it goes against your beliefs doesn't make it bad.
Who are you to say what is and is not true? Us humans know nearly nothing about our home.
listen if u dis trust science so much then next time ur sik do not use modern cures..use ur bible..see where that gets u..u selfish pigs..u attack the very thing ur life is shaped around..pig.god created the universe..maybe if we ever have to move planets..lol..away from the universe..wud there be a god there..wud there f***.have fun counting the blood money that u may earn..it cud have gone to research for cancer..no wait let me grab a bible.surely it wil tel me...wel im off to save the world.
the intent of this documentary is not to prove the existence of God, but to show that people with different beliefs are being suppressed, for no good reason. It's sad that the people who give this documentary honestly wish that people with different beliefs have no place in science. What a horrible place we live in.
Thank God for Ben Stein, American people fight for freedom of speech, we are all suffocating under the stench of evolutionary brainwashing for the past 100 years. From the comments it seems like we hit something, the hatred towards anything spiritual is frightening, man thinks he's smarter than God, well see.
@nostalja77 Yeah sure... A athiest can give all of his money to poor and ill people. Rescue a baby from a burning building but still would burn in hell because he can't believe in a God, who created all people like black and asian people, by putting two white people on earth let them have sex and let there children have incest to populate the world...and tada! There where the blacks,asians,filipino all over the world.... make so much sense..
@Ben1987X Who said they were white, -but what they had was the inbuilt characteristics (and colour), that would be present in all future generations -a rich pure gene pool direct from the Creator (original DNA code). Same as in all animals, finches etc- different traits -still finches. This is the ONLY evolution that there is folks.
Good deeds are notable, -but they must be accompanied by Faith in Christ.
@nostalja77 Good deeds are notable, -but they must be accompanied by Faith in Christ. Oke so that 70 procent of people burning hell.. Why? Well because some of them live before Christ.. Some people never are being confronted with Christ.. Why? Because they lived in Pakistan or in an rainforest in Afrika all burning hell... And please don' say they could also believe in Christ because 99,9 procent of those people believe in there OWN God...they all burning hell....Yeah..what a Love...
@Ben1987X Study Scripture, it is the only Truth we have, the message of Christ is right through it -interlinked. That is its proof of having a supernatural input, many authors over several thousand years, fulfilled prophecies etc -how would all those writers have known?
Many people are being reached with Christ in Afica and far East etc, they are more accepting while the West
is sinking in its vile immorality forgetting God and the blessings its had. Judgement is coming.
@nostalja77 Not all 100 milions of those people living in afrika can be touched by christ so 90 procent of people will burn in hell because they never had somebody mention christ ...again..your note thinking logic and not see the actuel fact's. Don't you google faults of fact's of the bible or to scared? You don't want to?
@Ben1987X yes they can but it requires time and christ is a choice although i would make a bad mitionary for being open to the idea of no intelegent disign and i bieleve in God if i were to ever leave my open mindedness i lose all credibility as the scientists who through him out have
@sixwingproductions Alright let me explain it by caculating it. Christianity 2 billion. Islam 1.3 billion. Hinduism 900 million. Buddhism 360 million. African Traditional and Diasporic 95 million.Sikhism 23 million.and more and more milions of other religion's. So IF ALL Christians go those country's and people there aren't enough christians to convert and talk to ALL THOSE PEOPLE..that's the truth you can't denie that. So most of them will burn in hell because of that simple fact..
@Ben1987X you do have a valad point what i ment is we can go to all those places and sence christ is a choice you could say most people will burn in hell but this is only becuase of what adam and eve did and i still dont like God holding us acountible for the sins of our ansestors
@Ben1987X yes they can but it requires time and christ is a choice although i would make a bad mitionary for being open to the idea of no intelegent disign and i bieleve in God if i were to ever leave my open mindedness i lose all credibility as the scientists who through these scientists out have
Intelligent design does not explain anything. For example the study of the evolution of feet from fins is a complex and fascinating area of science that is still being developed and explored. Or if you can just say, "feet were designed by god", and that is the end of the discussion, no science is required. Why would a University want to fund such a simplistic and superstitious explaination?
By the way, he keeps crying about ID people (bible thumpers, couldnt resist) being discriminated against'. There are American states where Atheists can't hold certain offices (problems of getting elected aside),. By the way, it might bother you to know this; you're children will understand evolution and therefore disregard this c**p, the internet will make it hard for you to shelter your kids from common sense... just like it sheltered some universities from hiring these idiots.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA What a friggin laugh!!! I love how these "professors" try to claim persecution for trying to teach baloney to a science class. It's a simple pattern in academia; if you talk out of your a** your colleagues will lose respect for your academic integrity and no longer trust your opinions, not that hard to understand. By the way.... does Ben Stein have the slightest idea what evolution is? I keep hearing this term 'Darwinism', wtf does he mean? Darwin isn't the Kim Jong-Il ofatheism
every time anyone supports intelligent design, some genious seeks to debunk him. just like this. its simply mankind trying to be like ( explicit delete). just as stated in genesis. its also hilarious how you only want to talk about evolution, out of context of every other aspect of the universe. physics, mathematics, geology. everything we know shows very clear evidence that its not random, somebody drew it up, somebody set off the bomb, and somebodys gonna get his way in the end
how about this, lets just fall in line and start killing any offspring that came from anothe father, thats natural right. lets not acknowledge the fact that we are more rapidly destroying the earth with every passing year, just as prophecy states, or that christianity and creationism are being pushed down harder every year, just as prophecy states. lets not acknowledge our constant pursuit to master the universe, just as prophecy states. lets just ignore that thats happening
not to mention the odds of the evolution of the horse. i just read an article where the biologist wouldnt even touch it and excused himself that it was so flaud he didnt have to explain it. truth is he just cant. just admit it. its not random, its ID selection, its mutation for progress of the species, and its mankind who have flaud there own genetic path with its oh so inerrant wisdom and knowledge. who by the way are the only ones who dont seek to preserve there species. but OH thats random
whos to say were not all right. were only wrong to keep our positions entirely opposite one another. no matter what we discover to be fact or theory. the truth is its very unlikely for it to be random, much less likely than for everything to have been coordinated and set forth. i myself think that in light of einstiens theory of a parallel universe, what we may be finding are simply methods of an extremely intelligent creator, not very coincidental accidents working in harmony. perfect...harmony
"whos to say were not all right. were only wrong to keep our positions entirely opposite one another. no matter what we discover to be fact or theory."
Landon, science is not a position.
Evolution is not a matter of opinion. It is based on evidence.
Yes, for all we know there is a creator (unlikely that you would be able to guess correctly regarding the nature of such a creator), he may have made a universe that could evolve. But evolution is based on evidence. ID is not
@KIINZEY thats precisely my point, you obviously didnt read what i said. you, nor anyone can deny that for all the universe to simply happen at random is impossible. statistically, as ben stein states in this movie, and as stated in odds of 1:5 to the 11th, it is indeed impossible. the evidence available today simply reveals the method. exactly like you just said. i didnt say anything about evolution. it could very well be the method for our existance. genesis is primarily allagory
(1:5)^11 is completely fallacious. Try explaining it.
You clearly do not understand evolution at all if you are going to make up a number like that. Stop getting your "facts" about evolution from creationists, and open a text book.
NATURAL SELECTION IS NOT RANDOM!!. No evolutionary biologist ever said that it was.
Mutations are random. If the mutation confers a fitness advantage(that is conducive to reproduction), then the trait will be selected for naturally among the species.
@KIINZEY once again, i dont disagree with evolution, all im saying is that this selection is delegated by an intelligence. ok, and what if the mutation is not conducive to reproduction? It isnt replocated is it? then how is it by chance that those traits are not passed on, but the ones that are conducive to reproduction are? You use the term selection but imply that there is no selector. how then is heart disease and cancer and even predispostions are passed on?
To begin, you may want to number your posts. I only read the one that I replied to, and
was not aware that you had bothered to write a dozen others. The discussion was about evolution, as was the movie. Don't use a figure like that and then say that the odds of natural selection happening by chance is impossible. Where are you even getting this 0.2e^11 figure from anyway?
Regardless, whether you mean it or not, your posts are written in a form that
denies evolution by natural selection based on the premise that it is not possible based on odds.
You don't disagree with evolution? it seems as though you disagree with natural
selection. If you want to argue that it is remotely possible (dispite the lack of evidence) that a God created the universe to be conducive to life and evolution by way of
natural selection, then fine. As I wrote in my responce to you, I understand this position.
(Never mind that pesky little problem of explaining how God could create a
universe without needing to be created himself.) ID evolution, and ID are not in any way synonymous. If ID (as it is presented here and virtually everywhere else) were to be true, then that would mean that god designed us all from scratch. This, in turn, would mean that we did not evolve.
ex: "there are no transitional forms, therefore God did it, not nature.".
Virtually all such arguments in favor of ID imply a "debunking" of evolution. I now understand that you are taking a position slightly different from most ID proponents, but adding the word "evolution" after the word "ID" doesn't validate it, nor does it make it immune to the flaws of ID.
you wrote:
"ok, and what if the mutation is not conducive to reproduction? It isnt replocated is it? then how is
it by chance that those traits are not passed on, but the ones...
No, it is not replicated. Because IT IS A TRAIT THAT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO REPRODUCTION.
Ex:
-It makes the organism sexually unattractive to the opposite sex.
-negatively affects reproductive organs.
-negatively affects survival, meaning it never makes it to reproductive age. and it is not by chance, nor does it mean that a creator/"selector" decided that it should not be
do not kill an organism before reproductive age are not going to be selected against as easily as gene variants that make it impossible to reproduce. Cancer and heart disease are very unlikely to affect reproduction, since they are uncommon among people under 40. A good example of a disease that slipped through the cracks of natural selection's limitations is Huntingtons disease. This is eventually fatal by the time the person is in their 50's or 60'a. Yet it is
active untill mid/late 30's. Hence, it doesn't have any significant effect on reproduction, and is therefore not weeded out by natural selection. The fact that the majority of disease predispositions only affect us after common reproductive age, agree perfectly with reproduction governed by natural selection. I don't see this agreeing with the idea of a creator. If it was an all knowing, all loving, perfect intelligent designer, then why did it screw a few of us up???
i dont dissagree with any aspect of science whatsoever. the only thing i dont agree with is the fact that dispite the fact that all the factors that came into play that brought life onto the planet had to be in perfect balance and harmony for it to work, people still act like its all by chance. How can you say " selection" and pretend like it makes sense without someone doing the selecting. It doesnt make sense. the oppropriate term would be natural chance happening
Ex: life on earth that reproduces sexually will select for fit mates. For instance, we humans will choose/select mates that we deem physically mentally and sexually fit.
Also, Genes that are able to become more prevalent in the gene pool as a result of conferring a reproductive advantage are "SELECTED" by virtue of their prevalence, leading them to out-compete inferior gene variants.
@KIINZEY lmao. your getting awfully angry for someone so smart. you sure your not just an angry man pushing away anything he doesnt agree with? im saying that your right, but you keep making me laugh so i cant finish what im trying to say
albert einstien believed in a parallel universe coexisting in and amongst our own. every possible configuration of a particle occurs several times. and in that, as the particles we percieve exist on the periodic table, what about the ones we dont perceive. we perceive some of them, on occasion, but not physically. thoughts have energy, light has energy, emotions have energy, and in that respect, also have mass. but it is difficult to quantify with the tools available.
No, I am quite a happy person. You are just currently causing my jaw to drop to the floor in absolute shock at the ignorance I am reading. I am sorry, I don't mean to be mean, but the flawed statements you made are absolutely appalling. I am not saying you are stupid, I just think you need to do your homework before you get so vocal about something. Many of your arguments fail to even correlate logically to the information within this very discussion.
@KIINZEY what have i argued? ive simply stood on the idea that there is a creator and you keep trying to shoot me down. which is what the movie above is talking about and your doing exactly as it suggests
i notice you deleted what you said earlier about no one being able to deny the existance of a creator, and that its unlikely that we could identify what or who that creator is. the fact that you did that simply confirms my point. No one can deny it, and to do so is to turn a blind eye to whatever you choose not to believe. and that is your choice. im simply saying that rather than try to find why creationism and evolution are inconsistant, lets seek to find a happy mediam
"Yes, for all we know there is a creator (unlikely that you would be able to guess correctly regarding the nature of such a creator), he may have made a universe that could evolve."
and i agree with you. why must we stand apart in our quest for knowledge? .
BTW, that is a very biased and intentionally misleading way of phrasing my comment. Which is still posted. look at post 2 from 6 A.M.
Here is a quote disproving your new lie: "If you want to argue that it is remotely possible (dispite the lack of evidence) that a God created the universe to be conducive to life and evolution by way of natural selection, then fine. As I wrote in my response to you, I understand this position."
@KIINZEY i am not misleading anything, i copied and pasted it and then said why cant we be on the same side, and if im lying then why did you even say that?
@KIINZEY but clearly you dont understand this position, everything besides that youve said has been to debunk creationism. you cant just make all that go away by excusing yourself with a halfass compromise
I don't care to compromise. Science is not about finding common ground on opinions. It is based on evidence. I don't believe that a creator made anything. But if you want to insist that it was, the only logical possibility to even ponder would be that god created a universe that was conducive to life and evolution by natural selection. This means that natural selection is still the sole driving force for evolution, regardless of whether or not a god set it up that way.
evolution is evolution man, good lord. im in waaay deeper than that though. genesis describes the creation of life the only way an egyptian prince knew how to write it, therefore there is nothing about evolution that we can derive from the perspective he had, you have to look much much deeper, which is where im going with the following response
@KIINZEY there is so much here that we simply dont perceive that we simply shouldnt dare to be so arrogent as to think weve even scratched the surface of what we began as, or what god is, or heaven or hell, and especially to flattout say that there not there and that we should just throw the idea away.
if you have ever heard of the bible, you know that in the beginning, adam ( who in my opinion was not the same man we see today) and eve ( likewise) were perfect, but in rejection of there creators will, they fell from that perfection. so right there, you know that if it were up to the creator, we would indeed have evolved without any of the genetic flaws we have today. animals never fell, because they have no knowledge of right and wrong, therefore evolving correctly
First of all, that part of the bible is referring to the moral imperfection of sin, not fitness.
Also, that does not make any sense whatsoever. If you're saying that we evolved, then you can't say we just came from slightly different humans. Are you saying that we are not a member of earth's phylogenic hierarchy?
Finally, animals have genetic flaws just like humans do. Many also get cancer, heart disease etc...
but man as it were at the time, upon coming to the realization of right and wrong, chose wrong. and has increasingly stepped further from the evolutionary path ever since. if youll notice, genetic problems have increases more and more over the past few decades, all the while faith in god has all but diminished. i am not a fundamentalist, im a realist. i know that the earth was not created in 7 rotations of the earth, thats our system of time. not gods.
Evolution does not occur in a few decades. AHHHHHHH!!!
Are you actually saying that god is speeding up genetic errors.
Genetic problems have not even increased. Our concern and knowledge is what increased.
It's thinking like this, that almost killed us all from the black plague. Society stopped thinking logically all together regarding disease control, since they actually believed that it was caused by sin, instead of yersinia pestis.
the bible even says that 1 day to god is thousands of years, and on the atomic level that makes sence. and heres my point. the bible was written in the perspective of the person writing, in the best way they knew how to describe what they given to write. take nostrodomus for example, take his predictions literally and its mumbo jumbo, but open your mind and extrapolate on his words and suddenly his predictions are given creedence. the problem is not the idea of a creator
@KIINZEY the problem is suppressing the idea of a creator only if that creator is suggested to be called God, or i dare say Jesus, whose recorded life is confirmed in texts from rome and eyewitness accounts not only in the bible but places he went. there is as much room for God in science as there is room for the mayan calendar in the 2012 disasters that so many people on the history and national geographic channels are talking about
@KIINZEY Post 8 the problem is that if anything suggests that there is something out there with " Devine" intelligence, then it is immediately snuffed out, and hushed, and pushed aside and called ignorance. what if i were a professor of physics, yet was christian, would i still be ignorant? according to you and Richard Dawkins, yes, indeed. but why is what i want to know. or rather i should ask, Why not just let there be a God, what is so wrong with just saying, ok god, your smart , thanks
and whats wrong with suggesting that evolution and everything else we study, can possible coexist with an intelligent creator, like you said in your first response to me? heres whats wrong, we are.
@KIINZEY oh and those odds arent for evolution, there for the the initiation of the universe to be random. notice how much money and what an expansive complex we had to build to simulate the big bang yet it doesnt even touch the event to scale, but you assume it was random somewhere in the universe. thats an awfully smart nobody i tell ya
@KIINZEY thats precisely my point, you obviously didnt read what i said. you, nor anyone can deny that for all the universe to simply happen at random is impossible. statistically, as ben stein states in this movie, and as stated in odds of 1:5 to the 11th, it is indeed impossible. the evidence available today simply reveals the method. exactly like you just said. i didnt say anything about evolution. it could very well be the method for our existance. genesis is primarily allegory
whos to say were not all right. were only wrong to keep our positions entirely opposite one another. no matter what we discover to be fact or theory. the truth is its very unlikely for it to be random, much less likely than for everything to have simply come to be at random. i myself think that in light of einstiens theory of a parallel universe, what we may be finding are simply methods of an extremely intelligent creator, not very coincidental accidents working in harmony. perfect...harmony
Totally agree! Hmm....last time I checked there is absolutely no proof that any of the people that supposedly wrote the bible were recorded doing so other than the translation that man has made of the so called "bible"! There isn't even physical proof that any of the characters in the bible existed! Unfortunately I went to private school and there is not one piece of logical or absolute proof showing that the bible isn't man made.Science is absolute! Books of religion are not! It is for the weak
Hmmm....well, last time I checked there is absolutely no proof that any of the people that supposedly wrote the bible were recorded doing so other than the translation that man has made of the so called "bible". Unfortunately, I went to Catholic school and there is not one piece of logical or absolute proof that the bible isn't "MAN MADE". Science is absolute, not a book or a belief (religion) for the weak; religion is for those who can't deal with reality. Science is for those who can face life
Yes sometimes information does get updated. It is possible (however unlikely) that even evolution may one day need adjustments. But until that time, it is safe to say that there is no reason to doubt that which has an overwhelming wealth of evidence to support it and nothing valid against it thus far. I don't care if people like to hold on to irrational beliefs about God. But I'll be damned if they distort what we know about scientific fact to defend such beliefs.
uh... yes, exactly, belief has nothing to do with standards of proof. Therefore, it is silly to think that something isn't true merely because it is incompatible with your belief. so facts are facts regardless of belief.
Therefore, it is invalid to think that a fact is wrong on the basis of a belief.
I'm glad that people are getting fired for teaching creationism as science... yes i believe in freedom of speech... it is sad people loose there jobs in this way but at the same time its refreshing to see that people get pissed when they try to teach unproven theory as proven science.
was this before or after the Dover Trail???
TheeJediSmurf 2 months ago
@Oreceo aaand how do YOU know all that stuff? have you talked to these people? anyone can call anything propaganda & claim that people have an agenda for it. this film shows plenty of interviews from both sides, & ben stein (who isn't a christian) asks questions that allow for debate. i love how dawkins & many others on his side are outright atheists, yet no says anything about THEM having an agenda. but if a scientist happens to have christian beliefs, he is immediately accused of having one.
TheDowntown86 4 months ago
I'd like to know what exactly is Intelligent Design. What is it, Ben?
MisterMcKinney 5 months ago
i bardzo dobrze że kreacjoniści wylatują. Uczelnie nie są od zajmowania się bajkami
WonyWilkDziki 6 months ago
that poor women
gothicsoul100 6 months ago
the reason that intelligent design is not allowed is simply this, it's a remnant of a very archaic ignorant time in human history. back when the consensus was if you can't explain it come up with the easiest possible thing. ppl who try to prove it now a days are simply clinging to an outdated idea and it promotes nothing but ignorance, at best you can explain what the idea is and tell them there are those who believe it, no further.
FenixLites 7 months ago
@FenixLites well said
dominatorN4 4 months ago in playlist Expelled no intelligance allowed
This is blatant propaganda, masked in terrible biased filmaking.
CallMeMrX 7 months ago
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@CallMeMrX Atheists represent! We need state atheism! Enforced Atheism. Let the rivers flow with the blood of many millions, without which state atheism has never occured!!!! viva REVOLUTION, RELIGION IS CHILD ABuSE
fashklash 7 months ago
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LOL, time code 6:22 he states education in America is appalling! I wonder why!
One hundred years of humanist and atheistic philosophies are directly responsible for 175 million deaths world wide. I heard a professor once say religion is the cause of all wars. Seems as though the humanists religion has out distanced everyone and lapped them several times. It is the duty of science to seek truth, if science stumbles across some intelligence appearing to be divine along the way, is that so bad!
danofoley 7 months ago
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danofoley 7 months ago
Ben Stein : DUH! Where's the Discovery Institute? DUH! HUH! HUH! HUH! Perhaps I can help you. While you're wondering around town like a moron, just go into any public library, access a computer, then do a Google search. You will find links to their web site, and click on contact information for their address and phone number. Now, does that help? Gee! What a freaking retard! This movie exposes his stupidity. Actually, he just euphemistically pulled his own pants down in public like an IDiot!!!
BigFatHeretic 7 months ago
I once read a book titled Deconstructing Psychopathology and after reading it contacted the author who was a Head of Psychology at a university. When I mentioned spirituality he actually said 'talking about that is very dangerous'!! lol
zezt 8 months ago
evolution theory is strictly for fundings, Not to be confused with FACT
1billion1deaths1 8 months ago
Are you kidding me? You guys are saying Intelligent Design is far fetched and improbable? One God created the earth and all of its creatures. Simple. You guys believe that SOMEHOW the universe was created with the Big Bang and SOMEHOW life came to Earth and SOMEHOW it became more and more advanced until it culminated in human beings? Evolution is a joke, its simply a way of saying "oh we human beings are the greatest form of life on Earth, look what we have become from dumb animals" its pathetic
TwolfStud 8 months ago
@TwolfStud whats pathetic is your inability to reason.. I would like to toss you and your bible into Cameroon, next to some "stupid" chimpanzees, and see which species then survived... the only reason you don't believe in natural selection is because you're not subjected to it. and don't ever question technology and science unless you live in a cave lighting fires with flint... Religion is a privilege that science and technology has granted you and you seem pretty ungrateful..
snoweyeball 8 months ago
@snoweyeball thats so stupid I have no need to reply
TwolfStud 8 months ago
@snoweyeball
We are still subject to natural selection.
Human beings average height continues to rise even in deprived areas (meaning malnutrition is not a factor).
27CDruid 8 months ago
wait wait.....lol are the christians actually crying that people are picking on them and trying to "shut them up"?..... I call that kharma bitches, or have you forgotten how your kind have literally killed heretics, witches, and anyone who spoke different of your flat earth, man in the clouds idea. Dipshits...talk about pot callin' the kettle black.
Cbertian 8 months ago
@Cbertian what an idiot. witches? ur bringing up something hundreds of yrs old that happened in a little town. vast majority dont do that. how would u like to be insulted because of what a few ppl did hundreds of years ago which had NOTHING to do with YOU?
nikitty020 8 months ago
@nikitty020 I wouldn't mind being insulted for what a few people did hundreds of years ago. Also i mentioned a few other things more than just "witches". Here I'll give you a few more; Heresy, Spanish inquisition, Charlemagne to name a few. You can't tell me you're honestly going to play the ignorance card to the simple murder that christians have been doing since there beginning in the name of god, let alone their oppression. Off topic; Are you Japanese?
Cbertian 5 months ago
@Cbertian what about what anti-religion communist atheists did yrs ago(stalin,lenin,pol pot, mao) killing millions for believing in God/practicing religion? looks like you're playing the ignorance card.
nikitty020 5 months ago
@nikitty020 They did what they did for power. Not because they were atheists. That is like saying you will kill someone because you don't collect stamps. It is just impossible. Stalin outlawed the church because the church had more power than the government, than him. He wanted to take no chances, and outlawed it. That way, he would have the most power.
Yay248 1 day ago
all of these people deserved to lose their jobs
SymMetRyRteMmyS 8 months ago
@SymMetRyRteMmyS
Tell me why
tjobv 8 months ago
@SymMetRyRteMmyS Why? Why do you say that?
triggerhurt8 8 months ago
if you believe in ID you are well under the line of mental retardation
minja30000 9 months ago
I.D. is an unprovable hypothesis. Just because something is complex, or effecient or beautiful does not mean it was created by God. If you think that is the case than you have made the assumption that complexity must come from something more complex. That has never been proven.
The best I.D. can do is postulate that IF we were designed, the designer must be one smart cookie(at least according to human standards). However it has NEVER made a decent case that we are actually designed.
TheVofR 9 months ago
I absolutely LOVE how they made the "evolutionists" (aka the actual scientists) look like angry oppressive idiots. They cherry-picked quotations and made them as brief as possible to make evolutionists look like rambling lunatics.
carlsm95 9 months ago
What?! Baylor University? The largest Baptist University in the world? Whose motto is For Church, For Texas? I attend Baylor and SERIOUSLY doubt that they fired Mr. Marks because he mentioned Intelligent Design. Most professors at Baylor are Christians and I only have one professor (my neuroscience professor) who is an outspoken atheist. There is obviously some major errors in the research acquired for this film!
TheNextPre2010 9 months ago 2
Sooo... all these people did stuff without telling their employees? Fireable.
hanbaal 10 months ago
she should have pointed out, that Ricahrd Dawkins SPAGGHETTI MONSTER does exist, so why cant god ?
you, in an INFINITE univaers (as scientists insist it is), there MUST be infinite POSSIBILITES, and INFINITE POSSBILITY = CERTAINTY.
As Dawkins himself said "god could exist, but the chances are very slim".
But in an infinite universe, something which has a slim chance is CERTAIN to exist - including the spaghetti monster, and wotan, zeus and the giant teapot.
OR, we DONT live amidst infinity !
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 10 months ago
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome No scientist claims the universe is infinite, we know that it is 13.7 billion years old, and we know that it expands at a gradual increasing rate. Get your facts straight. And even if the universe was infinite, that would not mean a God could exist, because it would still have to abide by the laws that govern the universe, and many Christians claim God is not tanglible, so your argument is a fallacy in every way imaginable.
buttface112211 10 months ago
@buttface112211:
WE ?
So YOU are a scientist, are you - oh, hear we go - another twat with a minor qualification.
You say the LAWS that govern th universe, as though you are also a lawyer (of the UNIVERSE, no less).
Quantum physics says that a particle can exist in 2, 3 or more places, at the same time, different times, and even cease to exist, then exist again.
And thats just TODAY'S knowledge.
But YOU know the LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE !
You show NO proof !!
ha ha - what an IDIOT, you are !
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 10 months ago
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome the Hubble telescope proves it. lots of things prove it.
hanbaal 10 months ago
@hanbaal:
Yeh, yeh, people like you believe anything they are told to. When you were told the earth was flat you believed it, then you believed the atom couldnt be spilt, then you beliveed neanderthol was the missing link, then piltdown man, then lucy, and now you believe whatever you are told, by any idiot who claims to be on the "side of science".
The fact that many scientists belivee the opposite doesnt matter - cus its the "accepted" view, that count s- one little hard core FACTION !
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 10 months ago
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Dude, scientists keep finding new evidence, when they do they change the theory because they were wrong. The people who thought those things didnt have as much evidence as we have now.
Tell me what the hubble is really seeing if its not 300 000 years after the big bang. Why do we get the pictures we do?
hanbaal 10 months ago
@hanbaal:
What i DO know is that light BENDS, when it passes round planets (something you should know), and therefore, so should other, if not all energy/rediation
Therefore, if you look up at the sky, it HAS to be a mis-shaped version of the truth, because there is light bending all over the place
So, what is seen on a telescope can NOT be exactly correct, especially with the vast distances and random stars etc
Also, you know NOTHING about DARK MATTER so HOW can you be certain of ANYTHING?
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 10 months ago
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Yes light bends.Do you mean to say I should believe that but not the Hubble evidence?
So the light or whatever we see from Hubble could have bent from its line and arranged itself into such a position that through hubble it looks like the universe came from a singularity? But it didnt? Interesting idea! What would do that?
Hmmm.... dark matter i suppose.
hanbaal 9 months ago
@hanbaal:
No, i didnt say that - what i DID say is that it CANT be a perfectly true picture, and we dont know ho wfalse it is !
So its NOT 100% reliable.
Also, so what if the entire universe came from the big bang ?
That deosnt dissprove God - he may have been there, and mad eit happen.
Imagine 2 goldfish, and one says to the other "im sure there is something beyond the glass", and the other says "dont be silly, that completely goes against our present scientific understanding".
See ?
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 9 months ago
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Are you just saying dont compleetely believe what you hear without checking it out (thats basically what science is) or do you just have some grudge against science. Its really hard to tell.
hanbaal 9 months ago
@hanbaal:
I dont have ANY grudge aghainst science.
The scientific method of investigation is proven, over all, to work very well, and leads to new discoveries and inventions.
why would i object to it ?
However, i do object to everyone believing every word they read in a science book
60 yrs ago, a science book said that the atom was the smallest item of existence - then it was split
Science said light moved it a straight line - then quantum physics changed that
So its NEVER 100% true !
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 9 months ago
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome This is a freakin hilerious conversation! We are in total agreement really!
Yes, the entirety of everything must be infinite. Which is of course impossible. So theres something else (crap, thats impossible too....... mabey). I guess scientists dont put research into that one or their heads would too often explode.
The Hubble evidence is very, very strong evidence though. Lots of knowledgable folks have seen it.
hanbaal 9 months ago
@hanbaal:
As you say, we agree on EVERYTHING.......
EXCEPT 1 thing !
I acknowlegde that there may be a god, or gods, or several types of superior beings. One or more of these MAY have created us.
You yourself just said that infinity is impossible, and so is non infinity (and i DO agree).
So we MUST both be wrong, whichever option we choose !
And so are all those scientists who talk of "twisted" space, because whats beyond the twist ?
Given all this, WHY cant god exist ?
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 9 months ago
@buttface112211:
Seriously, people liek you cant show a serious argument. You claim that the universe expands at a gradual increasing rate, but you cant be specific. The ONLY thing you are certain of, in your "superior" little bubble, is that God CANT exist.
I honestly believe that peopel who speak such random rubbish, as you (which cant be argued against, because its SO lacking in substance), are actually aLL homos or sad little idiots (probably BOTH)
I bet your channel says you are a homo !
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 10 months ago
@buttface112211:
Yep, i thought so - your channel is empty, but your name is BUTT-FACE !
Such a homo giveaway - you have peoples butts in your face !
ha ha, there is SO much to learn from someone's you tube name !
ha ha ha ha !
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 10 months ago
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Evidently you prefer trolling rather than engaging in intelligable conversations about this topic which you also evidently care greatly about considering you watched this movie. Unfortunately we are on opposing sides, and you decide to hide your ignorance by trolling. And as a matter of fact, you learned nothing at all about me from my name, my name is actually quite irrelevant, however I will boldly assert that yours much more reflects your personality.
buttface112211 10 months ago
@buttface112211:
No, I was right - you ARE a butt face !
The mentioning of BUTT and FACE, in one name, is a link identifyer, between what's going on in your mind, and reality.
It shows, beyond doubt, that you liek sticking your face into men butts, and licking them clean.
All you can think of is BUTT and FACE, so much so, that you actually call yourself that on you tube.
My name, is simply to prevent dickheads form criticising my lack of spell checks, and it works!
Except with REAL IDIOTS
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 10 months ago
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Ok? And my youtube account buttface because it is completely unrelating to anything, and is completely irrelevant. The only thing you did by replying is demonstrate exactly what I said in my last comment. I think it is about time you grow up and stop trolling. You think you are getting somewhere because I reply, and you are going nowhere. You fail.
buttface112211 10 months ago
@buttface112211:
Ha ha, you make me laugh
I clearly demonstrated WHY i used my username (to prevent idiots form constantly using my lack of will to correct my fast typing mistakes, for their stupid benefit). Thats a CLEARLY itnelluigent move, because it WORKS (except with EXCEPTIONAL IDIOTS)
But YOU say there is NO meaning in your name, whcih begs the questin, why isnt your name something else ? Why not "happyclever" or "verysmart"?
Cus THEY dont apply, thats why !
BUTT and FACE, DO apply !
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 10 months ago
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome Ok, if your gonna troll then I'm done. I'm not 100% sure, but I think you were trying to spell "unintelligent." In reality, the only thing unintelligent is every one of your responses, mainly because all you are doing is trolling and you clearly enjoy because it gives you a false sense of entitlement. Unfortunately, it also creates the illusion that my responses are out of sheer anger, which is only motivates you to continue, and that is why u fail. Don't bother responding.
buttface112211 10 months ago
@buttface112211:
Don't talk like a COCK !
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 10 months ago
ID is creationism in a stolen lab coat.
mymatryoshka 10 months ago
yes this is wonderful she was fired from George Mason U...just as how a geography prof would be fired if he tried to teach flat earth "theory"
slovakmath 10 months ago
the ONLY explanation for life is God and I'm sure glad I know him.
davemakesawave 11 months ago
The fool said in his hearth their is no God
Adriangrosvenor 11 months ago
@Adriangrosvenor The fool can't spell "heart" or spell "there" correctly.
zNightIVIarE 11 months ago
according to this movie scientists rejecting a widely panned theory and criticizing those that give it credence=THE NAZIS AND THE GULAGS AND THE SPANISH INQUISITION
wow. how much did Ben Stein get paid to do this?
MjXllcommando 11 months ago
you should be fired...itd be like if you tried to teach holocaust denial. we know its wrong. so why teach this garbage
max11binf 11 months ago
Once the gas flames penetrate the box the flesh is insulted.
ThePregnancySlaves 11 months ago
The Darwinists must reduce Man to the lowest common denominator—to animals—so that the animalistic/cannibalistic side of Man may prevail.
ThePregnancySlaves 11 months ago
Should not Charles Darwin be exhumed to see what progress time has been made in his putrefaction and fossilization? Even people in sweaters are partially nude.
ThePregnancySlaves 11 months ago
[INTERNET: In 1912, the First International Congress of Eugenics was held at the University of London. The president of the Congress was Major Leonard Darwin, son of Charles Darwin and one of the first English vice presidents was Sir Winston Churchill, later Prime Minister of England.]
ThePregnancySlaves 11 months ago
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( ̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅[̲̅ ̲̅]̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅ ) Religion is Man's attempt to explain the metaphysical world. "Atheism" is the elitists' religion designed to subjugate Man by denying his incomparable value. Elitism spawns Darwinism, infanticide, "terra"-forming, collectivism, eugenics, fluoridated water, animal "rights," the E.R.A., the Z.P.G. movt., fiat money, gun & water rights, land confiscation.
ThePregnancySlaves 11 months ago
Analytical science abhors the religious
aspects of Darwinism. Read. Research.
Thrill your cell mate. atheism {fr. Gk "atheos" godless}
ThePregnancySlaves 11 months ago
A conjecture does not meet the definition of the word "science" whose derivation is fr. the Latin verb "scire" meaning "to know." To suppose, theorize, guess, as had Darwin & his bootlicks, is not scientific. Darwinism is a relic of the 19th century. It fills a religious void in the warped minds of Western-Civilization-destroying "atheists."
ThePregnancySlaves 11 months ago
evolutionism n -s 1 : a theory of evolution (as in philosophy, biology, or sociology) – see DARWINISM 2 : adherence to or belief in evolution esp. of living beings [Fr. p. 789 of “Webster's Unabridged Dictionary” 1967]
ThePregnancySlaves 11 months ago
THEORY is CONJECTURE therefor it does not meet the definition of science which comes from the Latin verb "scire": to know. A THEORY is proffered as a probability, and never as a FACT. How is it that you are ignorant as to the meanings/derivations of the words: science, theory & Darwinism?
ThePregnancySlaves 11 months ago
There are lots of pricey books with depictions of proto-humans. There's Ken Miller with his charts. Ye of little Faith: No proof is needed to believe in Chuckle Darwin's monkeyed hypothesis.
ThePregnancySlaves 11 months ago
This movement to promote "Intelligent Design" is a movement that only seeks to increase ignorance of biology and dynamism in natural world. Ben Stein is about the most retarded conservative since George W. Bush to say that "the jury is out on evolution."
TaimaDjinn 11 months ago
You don't want God to exist regardless of any evidence case or argument no matter what you would not except because you like the idea of there being no God to judge you and hold you accountable for your life don't admit it to me but in your heart you know this is true.
soufmpls 11 months ago
As a lover of science and a lover of Christianity, this makes me want to cry.
supashoota 1 year ago
@supashoota Would you hire a lover of law who thinks murder is good? How about a lover of art who finds art in burning the paintings of others? These people are like scientists who believe in a flat earth...
gentzelpwns 1 year ago
@gentzelpwns Say the "lover of law" didn't think murder was good, he just thought that sometimes it might be necessary (self defense), but all other lawyers told him to shut up, and not to think, because "everyone knows murder is always bad"? To me this isn't about creationism,Evolution or even Id its about suppression.I'm not a
fan of this kind of suppression not even on people I disagree with.
supashoota 1 year ago
@supashoota It is being suppressed because of the moral implications. It dumbs down people to avoid the beautiful logic of evolution which applies to the spread of even religion itself (notice the two largest religions in the world are the ones that use the threat of "hell" for disbelief). It is making an excuse for the religious, no atheist believes in intelligent design. Believing that intelligence came BEFORE life adds SO many logical problems to science, it is a totally flawed theory.
gentzelpwns 1 year ago
Have you ever heard Neil DeGrasse Tyson speak of intelligent design? He calls it "stupid design." Sure there are a few nifty things that you would not expect to evolve and that appear intelligent... but look at the retarded stuff. Our eyes cannot see most of the electromagnetic spectrum leaving us vulnerable to radiation, and toxic invisible gasses. We eat, drink, and talk with the same opening in our body, guaranteeing that some of us choke to death every year... allow me to continue -->
gentzelpwns 1 year ago
Our organs dangle from our backbone since they evolved in animals which walked on all fours... this means that many of us will end up with tangled intestines, hernias, and all sorts of internal problems. Only a tiny, tiny, tiny, TINY FRACTION of the universe does not kill us INSTANTLY, yet ID theorists arrogantly say, "oh look, it was made for us!" What about AIDS? Birth defects? Small pox? Disease in general? Cool design for a benevolent creator. Still got more to come -->
gentzelpwns 1 year ago
Earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes.. I bet those sure help life along! Hmmm, the sun is going to explode in 6 billions years, that's cool too. Well, even if humans are screwed, lets see how well God designed normal animals! There is a species of wasps that lays eggs by stinging living maggots over the entirety of their nervous system with just enough venom to paralyze them, yet not kill them. After this the wasp lays it's eggs inside and baby wasps eat their way out of the living maggot...
gentzelpwns 1 year ago
@supashoota You should not waist time debating fools over the internet, If somethings is wrong and the no it, as long as it supports their view they will go along with. Learn this lesson early and aviod assholes spamming you with bullshit theories
Adriangrosvenor 11 months ago
@trippinlikegod I Know im right -thats Faith, but not blind faith, the Scriptures have Gods supernatural imprint written right through, -if it didnt add up i would have discarded Christianity long ago. There is only true religion and false religion in the world. Buddah s still in his tomb, so is mohammed, etc -Christ is risen , thats the difference. Everything in life and the world and history is to do with Christ and his sacrifice for us on the cross -nothing else matters.
nostalja77 1 year ago
@trippinlikegod It is the unbelievers that need to be concerned with their condition, Christians have nothing to worry about. The ungodly have consciences -they all know there is more to life than this. The earth and universe too, is all too fine tuned to be just by chance, -you can't bury your heads in the sand for ever.
CONSCIENCE -- now theres a thing that the evolutionists have trouble understanding, and how it evolved.
nostalja77 1 year ago
06:00 he still believes the holocaust happend ._.
happosai27 1 year ago
@NeroTheAtheist The foolishness of God is wiser than men, (1cor 1v25). Mankind thinks hes the ruler of his own destiny, -he is totally corrupt from head to foot. The natural man won't desire Godly spiritual matters, only if you seek to know him will you change. Its easier to be an athiest -do your own thing , no God -no responsibilty. The Truth is in Scripture -it has a supernatural imprint. The ancient Jewish religion was copied by all others, when they once had the truth.
nostalja77 1 year ago
@nostalja77
You're right, I do not desire "godly spiritual matters". I do not desire being a blood thirsty sadist who subjects an imperfect creation to punishment because of my own faults. I do not desire creating someone so that they will live a life that will lead them to hell. I do not desire being so self absorbed that I demand people love me or punish them for eternity.
TheSeventhSon 1 year ago
@NeroTheAtheist Really to be honest there really isn't that much evidence of Evolution. I'm not saying there isn't proof of it, and it's perfectly reasonable to believe in evolution because of the proof, but there really aren't mountains of evidence. Scientists confuse "Mountains of evidence" with very Convincing evidence. The evidence of evolution is very convincing, but theres not much of it.
There is evidence to support Noahs Flood, it's a theory called the "Hydroplate Theory"
Synicade 1 year ago
@Synicade
Actually, there are "mountains of evidence" for evolution. The very definition of evolution is an incredibly well documented phenomenon. To suggest otherwise is to admit stupidity.
TheSeventhSon 1 year ago
@NeroTheAtheist There are big questions in evolution, which are best answered with an intelligent designer. Whats so wrong with that? And yeah, like scientists don't want to push their opinions? Watch later in the film, and you'll hear a man talking about religion as if it's a poison that needs to be kept in the basement of society. Just because it goes against your beliefs doesn't make it bad.
Who are you to say what is and is not true? Us humans know nearly nothing about our home.
Synicade 1 year ago
the most boring film eva.)
hyams1 1 year ago
listen if u dis trust science so much then next time ur sik do not use modern cures..use ur bible..see where that gets u..u selfish pigs..u attack the very thing ur life is shaped around..pig.god created the universe..maybe if we ever have to move planets..lol..away from the universe..wud there be a god there..wud there f***.have fun counting the blood money that u may earn..it cud have gone to research for cancer..no wait let me grab a bible.surely it wil tel me...wel im off to save the world.
hyams1 1 year ago
the intent of this documentary is not to prove the existence of God, but to show that people with different beliefs are being suppressed, for no good reason. It's sad that the people who give this documentary honestly wish that people with different beliefs have no place in science. What a horrible place we live in.
Synicade 1 year ago 2
Thank God for Ben Stein, American people fight for freedom of speech, we are all suffocating under the stench of evolutionary brainwashing for the past 100 years. From the comments it seems like we hit something, the hatred towards anything spiritual is frightening, man thinks he's smarter than God, well see.
nostalja77 1 year ago
@nostalja77 Yeah sure... A athiest can give all of his money to poor and ill people. Rescue a baby from a burning building but still would burn in hell because he can't believe in a God, who created all people like black and asian people, by putting two white people on earth let them have sex and let there children have incest to populate the world...and tada! There where the blacks,asians,filipino all over the world.... make so much sense..
Ben1987X 1 year ago
@Ben1987X Who said they were white, -but what they had was the inbuilt characteristics (and colour), that would be present in all future generations -a rich pure gene pool direct from the Creator (original DNA code). Same as in all animals, finches etc- different traits -still finches. This is the ONLY evolution that there is folks.
Good deeds are notable, -but they must be accompanied by Faith in Christ.
nostalja77 1 year ago
@nostalja77 Good deeds are notable, -but they must be accompanied by Faith in Christ. Oke so that 70 procent of people burning hell.. Why? Well because some of them live before Christ.. Some people never are being confronted with Christ.. Why? Because they lived in Pakistan or in an rainforest in Afrika all burning hell... And please don' say they could also believe in Christ because 99,9 procent of those people believe in there OWN God...they all burning hell....Yeah..what a Love...
Ben1987X 1 year ago
@Ben1987X Study Scripture, it is the only Truth we have, the message of Christ is right through it -interlinked. That is its proof of having a supernatural input, many authors over several thousand years, fulfilled prophecies etc -how would all those writers have known?
Many people are being reached with Christ in Afica and far East etc, they are more accepting while the West
is sinking in its vile immorality forgetting God and the blessings its had. Judgement is coming.
nostalja77 1 year ago
@nostalja77 Not all 100 milions of those people living in afrika can be touched by christ so 90 procent of people will burn in hell because they never had somebody mention christ ...again..your note thinking logic and not see the actuel fact's. Don't you google faults of fact's of the bible or to scared? You don't want to?
Ben1987X 1 year ago
@Ben1987X yes they can but it requires time and christ is a choice although i would make a bad mitionary for being open to the idea of no intelegent disign and i bieleve in God if i were to ever leave my open mindedness i lose all credibility as the scientists who through him out have
sixwingproductions 1 year ago
@sixwingproductions Alright let me explain it by caculating it. Christianity 2 billion. Islam 1.3 billion. Hinduism 900 million. Buddhism 360 million. African Traditional and Diasporic 95 million.Sikhism 23 million.and more and more milions of other religion's. So IF ALL Christians go those country's and people there aren't enough christians to convert and talk to ALL THOSE PEOPLE..that's the truth you can't denie that. So most of them will burn in hell because of that simple fact..
Ben1987X 1 year ago
@Ben1987X you do have a valad point what i ment is we can go to all those places and sence christ is a choice you could say most people will burn in hell but this is only becuase of what adam and eve did and i still dont like God holding us acountible for the sins of our ansestors
sixwingproductions 1 year ago
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@Ben1987X yes they can but it requires time and christ is a choice although i would make a bad mitionary for being open to the idea of no intelegent disign and i bieleve in God if i were to ever leave my open mindedness i lose all credibility as the scientists who through these scientists out have
sixwingproductions 1 year ago
Intelligent design does not explain anything. For example the study of the evolution of feet from fins is a complex and fascinating area of science that is still being developed and explored. Or if you can just say, "feet were designed by god", and that is the end of the discussion, no science is required. Why would a University want to fund such a simplistic and superstitious explaination?
calamagrostis88 1 year ago
By the way, he keeps crying about ID people (bible thumpers, couldnt resist) being discriminated against'. There are American states where Atheists can't hold certain offices (problems of getting elected aside),. By the way, it might bother you to know this; you're children will understand evolution and therefore disregard this c**p, the internet will make it hard for you to shelter your kids from common sense... just like it sheltered some universities from hiring these idiots.
bonyoldbehind 1 year ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA What a friggin laugh!!! I love how these "professors" try to claim persecution for trying to teach baloney to a science class. It's a simple pattern in academia; if you talk out of your a** your colleagues will lose respect for your academic integrity and no longer trust your opinions, not that hard to understand. By the way.... does Ben Stein have the slightest idea what evolution is? I keep hearing this term 'Darwinism', wtf does he mean? Darwin isn't the Kim Jong-Il ofatheism
bonyoldbehind 1 year ago
every time anyone supports intelligent design, some genious seeks to debunk him. just like this. its simply mankind trying to be like ( explicit delete). just as stated in genesis. its also hilarious how you only want to talk about evolution, out of context of every other aspect of the universe. physics, mathematics, geology. everything we know shows very clear evidence that its not random, somebody drew it up, somebody set off the bomb, and somebodys gonna get his way in the end
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
how about this, lets just fall in line and start killing any offspring that came from anothe father, thats natural right. lets not acknowledge the fact that we are more rapidly destroying the earth with every passing year, just as prophecy states, or that christianity and creationism are being pushed down harder every year, just as prophecy states. lets not acknowledge our constant pursuit to master the universe, just as prophecy states. lets just ignore that thats happening
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
not to mention the odds of the evolution of the horse. i just read an article where the biologist wouldnt even touch it and excused himself that it was so flaud he didnt have to explain it. truth is he just cant. just admit it. its not random, its ID selection, its mutation for progress of the species, and its mankind who have flaud there own genetic path with its oh so inerrant wisdom and knowledge. who by the way are the only ones who dont seek to preserve there species. but OH thats random
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
yeah, i didnt think you could answer that one
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
whos to say were not all right. were only wrong to keep our positions entirely opposite one another. no matter what we discover to be fact or theory. the truth is its very unlikely for it to be random, much less likely than for everything to have been coordinated and set forth. i myself think that in light of einstiens theory of a parallel universe, what we may be finding are simply methods of an extremely intelligent creator, not very coincidental accidents working in harmony. perfect...harmony
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
"whos to say were not all right. were only wrong to keep our positions entirely opposite one another. no matter what we discover to be fact or theory."
Landon, science is not a position.
Evolution is not a matter of opinion. It is based on evidence.
Yes, for all we know there is a creator (unlikely that you would be able to guess correctly regarding the nature of such a creator), he may have made a universe that could evolve. But evolution is based on evidence. ID is not
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@KIINZEY thats precisely my point, you obviously didnt read what i said. you, nor anyone can deny that for all the universe to simply happen at random is impossible. statistically, as ben stein states in this movie, and as stated in odds of 1:5 to the 11th, it is indeed impossible. the evidence available today simply reveals the method. exactly like you just said. i didnt say anything about evolution. it could very well be the method for our existance. genesis is primarily allagory
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
(1:5)^11 is completely fallacious. Try explaining it.
You clearly do not understand evolution at all if you are going to make up a number like that. Stop getting your "facts" about evolution from creationists, and open a text book.
NATURAL SELECTION IS NOT RANDOM!!. No evolutionary biologist ever said that it was.
Mutations are random. If the mutation confers a fitness advantage(that is conducive to reproduction), then the trait will be selected for naturally among the species.
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@KIINZEY once again, i dont disagree with evolution, all im saying is that this selection is delegated by an intelligence. ok, and what if the mutation is not conducive to reproduction? It isnt replocated is it? then how is it by chance that those traits are not passed on, but the ones that are conducive to reproduction are? You use the term selection but imply that there is no selector. how then is heart disease and cancer and even predispostions are passed on?
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
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KIINZEY 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
POST 1
To begin, you may want to number your posts. I only read the one that I replied to, and
was not aware that you had bothered to write a dozen others. The discussion was about evolution, as was the movie. Don't use a figure like that and then say that the odds of natural selection happening by chance is impossible. Where are you even getting this 0.2e^11 figure from anyway?
Regardless, whether you mean it or not, your posts are written in a form that
cont...
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
POST 2
denies evolution by natural selection based on the premise that it is not possible based on odds.
You don't disagree with evolution? it seems as though you disagree with natural
selection. If you want to argue that it is remotely possible (dispite the lack of evidence) that a God created the universe to be conducive to life and evolution by way of
natural selection, then fine. As I wrote in my responce to you, I understand this position.
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
Post 3
(Never mind that pesky little problem of explaining how God could create a
universe without needing to be created himself.) ID evolution, and ID are not in any way synonymous. If ID (as it is presented here and virtually everywhere else) were to be true, then that would mean that god designed us all from scratch. This, in turn, would mean that we did not evolve.
ex: "there are no transitional forms, therefore God did it, not nature.".
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
POST 4
Virtually all such arguments in favor of ID imply a "debunking" of evolution. I now understand that you are taking a position slightly different from most ID proponents, but adding the word "evolution" after the word "ID" doesn't validate it, nor does it make it immune to the flaws of ID.
you wrote:
"ok, and what if the mutation is not conducive to reproduction? It isnt replocated is it? then how is
it by chance that those traits are not passed on, but the ones...
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
POST 5
that are conducive to reproduction are?"
No, it is not replicated. Because IT IS A TRAIT THAT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO REPRODUCTION.
Ex:
-It makes the organism sexually unattractive to the opposite sex.
-negatively affects reproductive organs.
-negatively affects survival, meaning it never makes it to reproductive age. and it is not by chance, nor does it mean that a creator/"selector" decided that it should not be
replicated.
Predispositions to diseases that
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
POST 6
do not kill an organism before reproductive age are not going to be selected against as easily as gene variants that make it impossible to reproduce. Cancer and heart disease are very unlikely to affect reproduction, since they are uncommon among people under 40. A good example of a disease that slipped through the cracks of natural selection's limitations is Huntingtons disease. This is eventually fatal by the time the person is in their 50's or 60'a. Yet it is
KIINZEY 1 year ago
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KIINZEY 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
POST 7
active untill mid/late 30's. Hence, it doesn't have any significant effect on reproduction, and is therefore not weeded out by natural selection. The fact that the majority of disease predispositions only affect us after common reproductive age, agree perfectly with reproduction governed by natural selection. I don't see this agreeing with the idea of a creator. If it was an all knowing, all loving, perfect intelligent designer, then why did it screw a few of us up???
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@KIINZEY
POST 1
i dont dissagree with any aspect of science whatsoever. the only thing i dont agree with is the fact that dispite the fact that all the factors that came into play that brought life onto the planet had to be in perfect balance and harmony for it to work, people still act like its all by chance. How can you say " selection" and pretend like it makes sense without someone doing the selecting. It doesnt make sense. the oppropriate term would be natural chance happening
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
Reply to post 1
Please re-read my posts.
The "someone doing the selecting" IS US.
Ex: life on earth that reproduces sexually will select for fit mates. For instance, we humans will choose/select mates that we deem physically mentally and sexually fit.
Also, Genes that are able to become more prevalent in the gene pool as a result of conferring a reproductive advantage are "SELECTED" by virtue of their prevalence, leading them to out-compete inferior gene variants.
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@KIINZEY LMAO. so weve been doing the selecting even before we existed, please.
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Our ancestors selected their mates.
WHYYYYYY????
Are you a troll??
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@KIINZEY lmao. your getting awfully angry for someone so smart. you sure your not just an angry man pushing away anything he doesnt agree with? im saying that your right, but you keep making me laugh so i cant finish what im trying to say
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey Post1
albert einstien believed in a parallel universe coexisting in and amongst our own. every possible configuration of a particle occurs several times. and in that, as the particles we percieve exist on the periodic table, what about the ones we dont perceive. we perceive some of them, on occasion, but not physically. thoughts have energy, light has energy, emotions have energy, and in that respect, also have mass. but it is difficult to quantify with the tools available.
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
No, I am quite a happy person. You are just currently causing my jaw to drop to the floor in absolute shock at the ignorance I am reading. I am sorry, I don't mean to be mean, but the flawed statements you made are absolutely appalling. I am not saying you are stupid, I just think you need to do your homework before you get so vocal about something. Many of your arguments fail to even correlate logically to the information within this very discussion.
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@KIINZEY what have i argued? ive simply stood on the idea that there is a creator and you keep trying to shoot me down. which is what the movie above is talking about and your doing exactly as it suggests
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY all i have correlated at all was that your right but its not an accident.
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY whered ya go i was havin fun
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY POST 2
i notice you deleted what you said earlier about no one being able to deny the existance of a creator, and that its unlikely that we could identify what or who that creator is. the fact that you did that simply confirms my point. No one can deny it, and to do so is to turn a blind eye to whatever you choose not to believe. and that is your choice. im simply saying that rather than try to find why creationism and evolution are inconsistant, lets seek to find a happy mediam
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
No, I deleted a copy of one my posts because it had bad formatting.
another was an accidental double post of the header "POST "
IF you got the e-mail, you know this.
KIINZEY 1 year ago
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@KIINZEY
"Yes, for all we know there is a creator (unlikely that you would be able to guess correctly regarding the nature of such a creator), he may have made a universe that could evolve."
and i agree with you. why must we stand apart in our quest for knowledge? .
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
2nd reply to post 2 Sorry 1st one is not labeled.
BTW, that is a very biased and intentionally misleading way of phrasing my comment. Which is still posted. look at post 2 from 6 A.M.
Here is a quote disproving your new lie: "If you want to argue that it is remotely possible (dispite the lack of evidence) that a God created the universe to be conducive to life and evolution by way of natural selection, then fine. As I wrote in my response to you, I understand this position."
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@KIINZEY i am not misleading anything, i copied and pasted it and then said why cant we be on the same side, and if im lying then why did you even say that?
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY but clearly you dont understand this position, everything besides that youve said has been to debunk creationism. you cant just make all that go away by excusing yourself with a halfass compromise
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
I don't care to compromise. Science is not about finding common ground on opinions. It is based on evidence. I don't believe that a creator made anything. But if you want to insist that it was, the only logical possibility to even ponder would be that god created a universe that was conducive to life and evolution by natural selection. This means that natural selection is still the sole driving force for evolution, regardless of whether or not a god set it up that way.
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@KIINZEY
EXACTLY!!!!
evolution is evolution man, good lord. im in waaay deeper than that though. genesis describes the creation of life the only way an egyptian prince knew how to write it, therefore there is nothing about evolution that we can derive from the perspective he had, you have to look much much deeper, which is where im going with the following response
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY there is so much here that we simply dont perceive that we simply shouldnt dare to be so arrogent as to think weve even scratched the surface of what we began as, or what god is, or heaven or hell, and especially to flattout say that there not there and that we should just throw the idea away.
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY Post 3
if you have ever heard of the bible, you know that in the beginning, adam ( who in my opinion was not the same man we see today) and eve ( likewise) were perfect, but in rejection of there creators will, they fell from that perfection. so right there, you know that if it were up to the creator, we would indeed have evolved without any of the genetic flaws we have today. animals never fell, because they have no knowledge of right and wrong, therefore evolving correctly
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
reply to POST 3
OMFG!!!
First of all, that part of the bible is referring to the moral imperfection of sin, not fitness.
Also, that does not make any sense whatsoever. If you're saying that we evolved, then you can't say we just came from slightly different humans. Are you saying that we are not a member of earth's phylogenic hierarchy?
Finally, animals have genetic flaws just like humans do. Many also get cancer, heart disease etc...
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@KIINZEY Post 4
but man as it were at the time, upon coming to the realization of right and wrong, chose wrong. and has increasingly stepped further from the evolutionary path ever since. if youll notice, genetic problems have increases more and more over the past few decades, all the while faith in god has all but diminished. i am not a fundamentalist, im a realist. i know that the earth was not created in 7 rotations of the earth, thats our system of time. not gods.
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@LandonCoffey
reply to post 4
Evolution does not occur in a few decades. AHHHHHHH!!!
Are you actually saying that god is speeding up genetic errors.
Genetic problems have not even increased. Our concern and knowledge is what increased.
It's thinking like this, that almost killed us all from the black plague. Society stopped thinking logically all together regarding disease control, since they actually believed that it was caused by sin, instead of yersinia pestis.
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@KIINZEY Post 5
the bible even says that 1 day to god is thousands of years, and on the atomic level that makes sence. and heres my point. the bible was written in the perspective of the person writing, in the best way they knew how to describe what they given to write. take nostrodomus for example, take his predictions literally and its mumbo jumbo, but open your mind and extrapolate on his words and suddenly his predictions are given creedence. the problem is not the idea of a creator
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY the problem is suppressing the idea of a creator only if that creator is suggested to be called God, or i dare say Jesus, whose recorded life is confirmed in texts from rome and eyewitness accounts not only in the bible but places he went. there is as much room for God in science as there is room for the mayan calendar in the 2012 disasters that so many people on the history and national geographic channels are talking about
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY Post 8 the problem is that if anything suggests that there is something out there with " Devine" intelligence, then it is immediately snuffed out, and hushed, and pushed aside and called ignorance. what if i were a professor of physics, yet was christian, would i still be ignorant? according to you and Richard Dawkins, yes, indeed. but why is what i want to know. or rather i should ask, Why not just let there be a God, what is so wrong with just saying, ok god, your smart , thanks
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY Post 9
and whats wrong with suggesting that evolution and everything else we study, can possible coexist with an intelligent creator, like you said in your first response to me? heres whats wrong, we are.
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY oh and those odds arent for evolution, there for the the initiation of the universe to be random. notice how much money and what an expansive complex we had to build to simulate the big bang yet it doesnt even touch the event to scale, but you assume it was random somewhere in the universe. thats an awfully smart nobody i tell ya
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY thats precisely my point, you obviously didnt read what i said. you, nor anyone can deny that for all the universe to simply happen at random is impossible. statistically, as ben stein states in this movie, and as stated in odds of 1:5 to the 11th, it is indeed impossible. the evidence available today simply reveals the method. exactly like you just said. i didnt say anything about evolution. it could very well be the method for our existance. genesis is primarily allegory
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
@KIINZEY ID evolution and ID are synonymous. evolution is not random either
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
whos to say were not all right. were only wrong to keep our positions entirely opposite one another. no matter what we discover to be fact or theory. the truth is its very unlikely for it to be random, much less likely than for everything to have simply come to be at random. i myself think that in light of einstiens theory of a parallel universe, what we may be finding are simply methods of an extremely intelligent creator, not very coincidental accidents working in harmony. perfect...harmony
LandonCoffey 1 year ago
It's funny how Darwinism is hunted down in high schools, while intelligent design i hunted down in the Universities...
All this shows is that human love to mingle with like-minded people, and attack diversity.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 1 year ago
Every time someone says "Intelligent Design" substitute "Flat Earth".
Every time someone says "Darwinism" substitute "Round Earth".
If you do this you will see this video very, very clearly.
bigfilmhat 1 year ago
why does he keep saying darwinists?? its so annoying. there is no such thing as a darwinist.
D4K0T4375 1 year ago
Totally agree! Hmm....last time I checked there is absolutely no proof that any of the people that supposedly wrote the bible were recorded doing so other than the translation that man has made of the so called "bible"! There isn't even physical proof that any of the characters in the bible existed! Unfortunately I went to private school and there is not one piece of logical or absolute proof showing that the bible isn't man made.Science is absolute! Books of religion are not! It is for the weak
peacemaker50cal 1 year ago
Hmmm....well, last time I checked there is absolutely no proof that any of the people that supposedly wrote the bible were recorded doing so other than the translation that man has made of the so called "bible". Unfortunately, I went to Catholic school and there is not one piece of logical or absolute proof that the bible isn't "MAN MADE". Science is absolute, not a book or a belief (religion) for the weak; religion is for those who can't deal with reality. Science is for those who can face life
peacemaker50cal 1 year ago
@TheNatureArtist
Yes sometimes information does get updated. It is possible (however unlikely) that even evolution may one day need adjustments. But until that time, it is safe to say that there is no reason to doubt that which has an overwhelming wealth of evidence to support it and nothing valid against it thus far. I don't care if people like to hold on to irrational beliefs about God. But I'll be damned if they distort what we know about scientific fact to defend such beliefs.
KIINZEY 1 year ago
@ElShadaiLives
uh... yes, exactly, belief has nothing to do with standards of proof. Therefore, it is silly to think that something isn't true merely because it is incompatible with your belief. so facts are facts regardless of belief.
Therefore, it is invalid to think that a fact is wrong on the basis of a belief.
Think before you write.
KIINZEY 1 year ago
I'm glad that people are getting fired for teaching creationism as science... yes i believe in freedom of speech... it is sad people loose there jobs in this way but at the same time its refreshing to see that people get pissed when they try to teach unproven theory as proven science.
Stevil3113 1 year ago