With all of the unused arable land in the U.S. right now, switchgrass can easily be cultivated almost anywhere w/o resorting to taking space away from farms & driving up the cost of our food supply. So no, it's not (as you so elequently put) "stupid".
Food costs go up with the price of oil. Wonder what helps keep fuel prices lower? COMPETITION like biofuels!. We have a total of 3% of the worlds supply of oil and use 25%. This trainable has some trouble with numbers I guess. Hey dubass, we dont grow sugercane across america for fuel, your thinking of south America.
In real life .. This makes no sense .. Food Goes rotten in trucks .. We are able to grow more food then needed . As long as we (with gov help) pay for it. Ethanol from swithgrass is a far better choice then what is going on now. Plus .. You can make it at home .. From damn near anything. Fun for the whole family . This rant really has no place . Blanket statements suck
if we are so conserned about price of corn going up then stop buying oversized v8s. Most people are drivng in big trucks by themselves. A 4 cylinder car is good enough to carry 5 people around town efficiently.
@todaystechworld - You are welcomed. You may also want to view my latest video: "Rising food prices the real reason unreported by the news media." I discuss ethanol in this video also.
then brought back into production as near virgin pristine farm land. Land in production for row crops can also be used to provide winter crops, even in very cold climates through the use of green house farming. Providing local source food supplies for communities that does not have to be trucked accross the country, shipped in from over seas... It's work! Requires much more thought and better planning, but produces PROFITS greater than factory farming methods we use now, which destroys soil!
The byproducts of making ethanol from corn/sugar beets can be diverted RIGHT back into the system to be used as animal feed. So meat doesn't HAVE to go up if some common sense is used! Also, grain crops planted annually require tons and tons of fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, and it all works it's way into our water supply, into rivers, much of it washes down the Mississippi and into the Gulf of Mexico. Sustainable organic farming would put 1/2 the land back to pasture for 5 years
You know that the government still pays farmer to not to grow anything to keep the prices higher. I remember for years my family was paid to not to grow.
ahhh theres millions of houses that have weeds that ppl PAY to remove them,annnd waste fruit from orcherds and......skyscrapers growing weeds or sugar cane on hydroponic system,with solar on top so you cant say "duhhh it polutes more with the dirty coal electricity that we make duhhh" duhhs excused get your head out of your ass man ethanol was the first fuel besides steam or electricity much would still be around if it wasnt for jerks like you
PropagandaBuster, you are very, very wrong with the numbers. If America hypothetically speaking only use a 100 arces of land & 25 of that to produce fuel then u would be correct. But being that America has plenty of land & the farmers I've spoken too said that they are more then capable of producing more i.e sugar, switchgrass, corn just to name a few, the gov't regulate on how much they can grow. Besides Brazil is a good example on how to do! I believe u need to go back to the drawing board!!
the goverment pays farmers not to farm their land every 4 years or so so not to deplete the soil, during this period the farmer could grow switch grass and add good nutrients back into the soil and make gas. people who down great ideas have not read them through from beginning to end if the ground has more nutrients the food will be better and my tax dollors wont have to subsidise, and the farmer can get paid himself. and make the food better not worse
Overlooked is the fact that farming is not limited to 100 acres.. It's based on supply and demand...The supply and demand of FOOD and FUEL are connected but not same. I can tell you, that if there is more demand for these plants, just like subsidized corn, which is a horrible source of ethanol. THERE IS ENOUGH FOOD TO FEED EVERYONE ON THE EARTH, SO WHY ARE PEOPLE STARVING? We don't have a shortage of food, people have a shortage of money to buy it!! gov't def. shouldn't be subsidizing corn.
@switchgrassfuel Well, except corn!! I like switchgrass and hemp and sugar cane much better. Peak oil? Hubberts peak you mean... I think we are supposed to reach it by 2035, but who knows
@Clyaton 2035 you must be dreaming try 2005 maybe. I don't see any stats that indicate they might be able to increase production at all. in my opinion the cheap stuff is already gone. why else would they be drilling in 5000 ft of water?
Simply not true.. A lot of the problem is drilling rights/environmental issues. The 2035 is not my estimate, but a text book estimate, and one I've heard from different political figures. Hubberts peak refers to the point at which price never drops again, because the supply will be bottle-necked to it's final point. Prices raise and drop every year, therefore we are nowhere near this point. Also figuring in inflation, during cheap months it's not much more expensive then the past.
@Clyaton you can believe what you want, I am talking about the actual oil out if the ground. the price can be manipulated even after we have hit peak oil. what do you think it just stops at the top and their is no room for manipulation going down the other side?
It's foolish to think that, manipulation can't really happen after hubbert's peak.. If it does people will just stop using it even faster making it less of an issue. In 2005, we had 3 buck gas at the highest. In 2008 it got above $4. Now it's less than $3. This kind of change in price can't happen after Hubberts peak.. Price will only ever increase once it occurs, so manipulation may bring it up higher than it is supposed to be, but it will never bring it down again.
@Clyaton allot has changed since 2008 or did you forget all of the people laid off from their jobs already. their is room for manipulation after the peak, their wont always be room in the future when we get further down the curve. Don't just look at the price. look at how much we consume VS extract from ground and how much we are finding year after year. I shouldn't have to explain it to you like a kindergartner. their are other ways to measure oil production than just looking at the price.
@switchgrassfuel No need to be condescending, I'm not a kindergartner. Your problem is that you are so blinded by your hatred of oil and the business that you are blinded to reality. Do you know how much oil is in Alaska alone? Do you know how many restrictions there are on drilling in general? These regulations haven't caused us to reach the peak, they've created peaks and dips of their own which speculators capitalize on. You are the only one claiming we've reached Hubbert's peak sir.
@Clyaton I am not the only one that has claimed we've hit peak oil. look it up. Weather or not i am blinded by my hatred for oil doesn't mature, at this point i don't care if this peak in production is man made or because they can't get it out of the ground as fast as they could in the past, their restrictions,not enough drilling platforms, not enough refineries,oil is in 5000 ft of water, or any other excuse you want to add. for some reason we hit our peak in 2005. check it out for yourself.
Wrong ! You should work for the oil companies and they might like what you have to say.
Not even 1 % of farm land is used. Also it helps to restore the land if it is done right.
Two -processed sugar kills more people than you can believe. Put it in the tank and you have cheap fuel and clean air!
Three--corn has not effect that much on price . It is the price of gas to get it from point A to B is what marks it up . From one of the last individuals. R.Young
You are an insult to stupid people. You are Limbaugh. That's horrible. A pile of maggots and feces baking in the sun is Limbaugh, and you are Limbaugh too. Limbaugh, Limbaugh, Limbaugh.
Your ignorant. Switchgrass dose not take up agricultural land, its simply grass and it can grow almost anywhere, for example I'm sure there is some in your back yard thats clippings are hauled off to a dump somewhere every week when they could actually produce fuel. Switchgrass is a excellent solution to this nations fuel crisis I wish you did a little research before YOU started spreading "propaganda".
Im awarding you with Grayson Graham's Ignorant Propaganda Award, congratulations dumb ass
you are an idiot and don't have a clue on how much the price of food could go up if we don't fix our transportation costs, and try to keep some of our money at home. you are not going to make big oil pump faster even if they could. so at least try and keep an open mind towards alternative fuels. If you would do your homework you might learn something.
switchgrass can grow on land not used for farming food products. Thats why they are promoting its use. I live next to a plant that uses corn for ethenol [not smart]. As far as having lots of oil, yes but its lock away in rocks etc. The midwest US has tons of it just no way to get the oil out. Just my opinion.
@slingblade65 Theres no need to bring rasism into this. People in the middle east have contributed even more to society as we americans have so far. Also you need %130 more ethanol to create the amount of power regular gas makes. So if you loke at it the way for every gallon of ethanol you buy your only getting 70 percent of a gallons worth of gas.
yes. its cheaper than importing petroleum. Many counties such as Argentina, El Salvador, and others have been importing brazilian sugar cane based ethanol.
main points, its cheaper, enviormentaly freindly and its ENVIORMENTALY FREINDLY!! thats the best part.
Apparently, you're not aware of how much rain forest has been clearcut and burned in order to plant for biofuels. Let's see, drill hole for oil acres, or wipe out hectares of forest, then use vast amounts of fertilizer and water to produce ethanol, which produces more toxic fumes (search: ethanol toxic stanford) and is a net co2 increase over gasoline (search: ethanol co2 science magazine). Eco-friendly?
>Why don´t you do some reading before talking crap such as this?
>Sugarcane does NOT grow in the rainforest...
I talked about rainforest that have been clearcut for biofuels. Nowhere did I mention Brazil nor sugarcane. It was a general comment about the state of "green" in the world. Maybe you're the one who needs to comprehend what he reads instead of reading into it what you want to see.
Yes we can buy sugar from Brazil. Just because they they make ethanol from sugarcane and Brazil has imported very little oil for the last 20 years. Oh yes I didn't remember to say that their economy is booming.
There are a few mistakes in your argument. One using your analogy if there is 100 acres on land probably only 50 of it is actually used. 50 of it is not good enough to grow major crops but is quite adequate to grow grass. In fact only about 25% of that is corn. Which is almost half of the worlds production of corn. By giving farmers another crop to grow that can be grown on ground that can't grow corn will just increase how much farmers make or a few less starving farmers.
This guy is irritating, obnoxious, arrogant, stupid, and on and on. He is the problem with our country. He talks a lot of feces but offers nothing helpful. Not to mention the fact he doesn't have one fact that is correct. Brazil must have an Area 51 type petroleum refinery somewhere and the ethanol plants are a clever cover for our UFO/Alien masters. He's a perfect example of people my statistics professor warned us about;"Numbers don't lie, BUT liars use numbers".
Why does everyone want to blame Bush. 10+ years ago clinton veto a bill that would fix our oil problem before it even became one. Republican want to drill for oil but the democrate is saying whats the point and they are the majority in congress right now and they wanted to go on vacation before dealing with the gas prices. If you did some reasearch instead of listening to left wing bullshit you might learn something. With the little bit being said i think you STUPID!
I think the point of the SwitchGrass is that it has the potential of producing several times more ethanol, than corn per acre and this fuel is renewable AND helps the enviroment by using the C02 we put in to the air currently .. and if you really look at it - we waste most of the food we grow on out farm lands .. the key here still is the FUEL is renewable!!
It will take that long to drill for our own oil because of government regulations and environmental hurdles. Remove the regulations and hurdles and the oil would be to market in six months. Do you really want America to be like Brazil or Germany? Except for the Brazilian women, I do not think so.
The "same ole" works and we have an abundance of it. We need to use the oil we have while the "great minds" develop or market a battery good enough to transport our vehicles. What damage to the environment do you think all those dead batteries will do? How much fuel must be developed to make up for all that energy being used to re-charge all those batteries? What will those power plants run on?
WE have a tremndous amout of un used farm land. Why should we dump Millions of dollars of seconds to import Oil?
Oh, and the price of food has gone up because the energy cost to make it has gone up.
You do know that the fuel for the tractors and trucks is oil, the Fertilizer to grow it is from oil, and the pesticides come from oil? Oil went up, so the cost to produce you food.
You still miss the point! The ethanol that is processed out of the corn doesn't destroy the corn. The left over byproducts from the fermentation and distillation process is great animal feed. It is better for the cattle and has a higher protein content. Why? the yeast that is used in fermentation leaves behind protein and high vitamin B in the leftover grain. Also switchgrass and other crops such as sugarcane can make ethanol, again the byproducts are still useful and profitable!
Ethanol is the aswer for the problem about fuel. The petroleo is going down and some products need to be done, so, about fuel for car, the sugar cane can do his work, about plastic, PVC and another staffs, so... we need to think
actually I want to correct you on a few things there and I have a suggestion that might help we have already used those oil reserves you speak of we just haven't let the public know about it yet and you are correct about the use of our land for Ethanol but there is a solution we can make Ethanol from mushrooms which grow anywhere so we can build mushroom growing towers and use them to make Ethanol it takes up hardly any space and is clean safe and cheap
I was not addressing our oil reserves. I was addressing new oil drilling. Fine make Ethanol from mushrooms in towers, but we should still drill for the oil we have right here in these here United States.
A friend of mine came to America when he was around 25 years old from Italy. All the time while in America, he always spoke English with an Italian accent. Then at about age 50 he returns to Italy to visit family. While in Italy they told him he spoke Italian with an American accent. So he said, "it is funny, I speak two languages and both with an accent."
Poor English? Who? Your English is excellent. Your YouTube page says you live in Italy. Are you in Italy now? Do you speak Portuguese, Italian, and English?
These guys here always keep sayin the USA should produce the whole ethanol they need. They cant even figure out how many acres of land are abandoned right now throughout the world ready to produce and supply all the nations.. Jamaica, Brazil, Haiti, all Central American countries, African countries, South American countries, Asian countries, Autralia, USA, Mexico and Canada... damn dude! Americans are so mind narrowed.
The food riots have nothing to do with ethanol. Oil prices caused the rise of food prices. PROTECTIONISM and the increasing consumption are the main factors. Thats the main issue here Mr. Buster. Now we can see the so called "free world" americans love to repeat everytime. Yeah.. free world... free world my ass dude!
So, this is not what ethanol defenders use to do. They're simply facing the problem. Proposing a solution. It seems to me you are behavin like the ostrich.
Then, take your head out of the sand and face reality: OIL IS ABOUT TO END AND THE PLANET CANT SUPPORT ALL THESE CO2 EMISSIONS!!!!!
Like Auguste Comte showed: everything is relative... thats the only absolute thing in the universe. You see the world from a perspective of no ending oil (which is totally unrealistic). I see a 10 billion people world with no drinkable water, clean air, enough food and energy to sustain us... but I'd rather face reality proposing solution than live in a fantasy world of yours.
I used to disagree with you until I did the math. If you were to turn every farmable acre in America into growing swithgrass for ethanol,(which is the most efficient crop for producing ethanol) and leave nothing for food you would account for only 64% of gallons of oil consumed. And that estimate is only gallon for gallon. Each gallon of ethanol contains less energy than gasoline, so it would probably replace less than 50% of oil consumption, and we would have no food.
Solution: Remove any restrictions on drilling for the oil sitting below our feet and off our shores. The Chinese are drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico, while our Congress will not allow us to do. What does that tell you?
While I agree in principal with your argument to not displace food crops with fuel crops, I'd disagree with your views on the two specific articles you highlight at the beginning. Switchgrass, while it certainly could displace a food crop, is really intended to be grown on land that could otherwise not support a food crop due to its hardy nature. The second article is really about using a byproduct of sugarcane called bagasse (which is currently burned for power) to create biomass ethanol.
Your logic is so stupid that I had to use an idiotic spell checker. "we are leaving 400 years supply of oil untouched" damn... that was stupid! Oil is going to end. China and India are now demanding oil to satisfy almost 3 billion people. The whole world is increasing its oil demand. The planet cant support all these CO2 emissions.
Do you know how many acres of agricultural lands are abandoned right now because of protectionism? How many people in the world live in poverty because of that?
Your comment, "Your logic is so stupid..." is a flawed comment. If my logic is stupid, then there is no logic. So how can something that does not exist be stupid?
i generally agree with you on most of your videos... but your views on oil, while in some way substantiated, for the most part are mislead. just because there is a reserve of X barrels doesn't mean it's all recoverable (by a large margin usually).
oil will be around for a while, but we WILL need renewable resources in the next few decades. we consume so much oil there isn't a magic bullet. diversity?
No corn here, i invest in non-food ethanol and algae fuels... put in ~$2000 this year so far.
I do not think we disagree. The brunt of this video and my opinions about fuel is, it is just plain wrong to put food in our gas tanks. I honestly do not care what alternative methods of fuel comes on board, as long as we are not shoving food in our gas tanks.
and i'll also have you know that a mere 6.4 million acres of solar panels will meet the ENTIRE US's electricity demands during the daytime hours. RENEWABLE ENERGIES!!!!
Nice research. However anytime corn is used for fuel when we have more oil under our feet, that causes the price of oil and food in increase. Have you purchased gas or gone grocery shopping lately?
95% of the oil that comprises your "400 year" estimate (more like 150) is UNCONVENTIONAL... go educate yourself on this. light crude (pump-able) is becoming a thing of the past here. it's hard to find reserves to sustain our 7.5 BILLION barrel per year consumption for any real length of time. ANWR is only 1-1.5 years worth.
the cost of crude makes up ~73% of the cost of a gallon of gas. everything is going up due to oil, NOT biofuels.
No I can no read, want to teach me? Okay you say Alaska has 1 -- 5 years of oil. How much is off the West cost? How about the Gulf? Let's not forget North Dakota. Then of course Brazil just found a huge oil find off their shores. Look we have plenty of oil to stop using Middle East oil and stop using food for fuel.
I do not have any oil stocks that I am aware of. How much stock do you have in corn?
Guess what? I will not change your mind, and by the same token I do not see you changing my mind. I believe we have the oil and adding food to our gas tanks is just wrong.
the US currently has around 302 million acres of farm land, roughly 12-13% of our total area. farm acreage has been INCREASING over the years. there are 2.4 Billion acres within our borders.
ethanol is C2H5OH no matter what it's made from. switchgrass growth DOES NOT impede on our 302M acres of food source lands, as it grows well on marginal (NON FOOD CROP) lands. Syngas, Thermal Depolyperization of waste, and algae are other great options for fuel
There is no reason not to pursue ethanol or any other alternative fuels from biproducts (NOT FOOD) which would otherwise be trash.
Get real my friend... If just one billion of the 7 billion people on earth (1 OUT OF 7) have a child this year. The supply and demand is exponentially changed and its going to drive prices up much faster than other economic indicator.
The problem is currently corn which is not a trash crop, is being used to produce fuel. Which equates to using food to fill up our gas tanks when we have plenty of oil to do the job.
Look around...Americans need to lay of of not "some" food, but "alot" of food. And as far as needing food to feed chickens, pigs,etc because they are food consumption well, we can survive without meat...infact a simple card deck size of meat a day per person is enough to support the needed amount of protein. And we don't need to completely rely on ethonal...it could be "one" alternative...their is nuclear energy, wind, hybrid cars, and yesssssss conservation!!!
There is no need to put corn or sugar cane in our gas tanks as we have plenty of oil in the ground right here in these here United States. You are a correct a nation which refuses to use the natural resources within its borders will become a third world nation. Thank you Al Gore!
man don't you get it? our crude reserves aren't that big. the oil shales and tar sands you're relying on are VERY difficult (expensive) to extract and refine: not cost effective at all even at today's $129/bl crude prices. i don't want to pay $7/gal just b/c it comes from our own ground.
renewable energies and biofuels are our future regardless of your belief. and get off the corn thing... it's capped at 15 million barrels/year by law. cellulose ethanol will far surpass that and be much cheaper
Pardon my disagreement. There is more oil in North America than in all of the Middle East. It is estimated there is over 400 years worth of oil in North America. You do not want to pay $7.00 a gal for oil that comes out of our ground. Ethanol is only profitable when gas is high in price. Also, to produce Ethanol requires more energy than results from the product. Besides, it is just plain wrong to put food in a gas tank when people are rioting for food around the world.
No pardon given... there is conventional oil, then there's non-conventional oil. you obviously know little/nothing about the difference. RESEARCH!!! the US alone uses 20.5 mil barrels of oil a day (MMBbl/d). we'll be lucky to produce 1-1.5 MMBbl/d using oil shales by 2020 (as shown in quite a few reports) despite our 2 trillion bbl non-conv reserves. the capacity isn't there to fulfill demand, and volume of product means nothing w/o considering speed.
and for your information PB, the EROEI for corn ethanol is 1.3:1, slightly positive. cellulosic ethanol has been PROVEN to vary between 8:1 and 13:1.
petroleum produced in north america has a EROEI of about 3:1, while in the middle east it's closer to 10:1. go look it up for yourself. oil shales and tar sands are worse than petroleum and it takes much longer to extract and refine than crude.
you need to get it through your thick skull that oil isn't as viable as it was 20 years ago. Goebbels?
Brazil is grows sugar cane and is oil independent. How can we in America not do this?....we are truly going down....we won't be the super power for much longer.
you know before the corn ethanol boom and jump in grain price. There was 8 cents of grain sent to produce a box of cereal but now it take about 18 cent of grain to produce a box cereal which is nothing compared to the $3.50 sent on advertising that same box of cereal. and if wasn't for the ethanol boom gas would cost at least another 50 cents a gallon. SO GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT
bottom line, petroleum prices are why groceries are going up, NOT ethanol. eth takes less than $1 a gallon to make. cellulosic eth will push this even lower. 72% of the cost of a gal of gas is due to crude. 1 barrel = 42 gallons = $2.73/gal for the crude alone at $115/barrel. gas around here is $3.44/gal.
2/3 of our 21 million b/day a day oil consumption (US alone) goes to motor fuel needs. 60% of our oil is imported, or $1 BILLION/day in imported crude alone. electricity will be our best bet
humans don't consume cellulosic materials (switchgrass, prarie grass, wood, leaves, etc). switchgrass grows fine on "agriculturally marginal lands", i.e. land NOT USED FOR FOOD CROPS. the parts of field corn (starches) that make ethanol are separate from ag feed... the ethanol process doesn't use the protein parts of the corn kernel. which means the proteins are still there for feed.
go educate yourself more on ethanol, this video makes you look ignorant. we're NOT putting food into our tanks.
propbuster, you make yourself look ignorant. there is NOT a 400 year supply of oil left... if there was, gas wouldn't be $3.50/gal. there is recoverable oil, then there's NON recov. oil.
switchgrass isn't a food source, makes 1,100 gal ethanol per acre vs 350 for corn, and requires 10 times less energy to plant and harvest (13:1 vs 1.3:1 PER). research cellulosic ethanol.
food goes up with oil anyway... diesel, fertilizers, & chemicals depend on oil. $200/barrel anyone? Peak Oil is here.
Please pardon my disagreement with you: there is well over 400 years worth of oil in this hemisphere alone. New oil finds off Brazil, the Gulf of Mexico and North Dakota, plus the untouched oil in Alaska and the coal oil in Canada.
Interesting thoughts their Mr. "Propaganda Buster." Come to think of it I need to bust a few your points. This nonsense about switchgrass taking our farmlands is bunk. Switchgrass grows on marginalized lands (ie NOT FARMLAND), only needs to be planted once every 8 years, requires less care, less fertilizers, less energy to harvest and yields 250% as much ethanol as corn. BTW What is your solution? Last time I checked we were long on problems short on solutions...
What is your point anyway? Even if you hadn't mentioned switchgrass it doesn't change the fact that your WRONG about ethanol. Sure we have oil and coal but we have already seen the effects. Ice shelf?!
Ooops on me. Thanks for that. But I still stand by the overall theme, adding food to the gas tank is bad for the economy. Yeah the ice shelf is growing thanks to good old fashion earth's cycle.
Oh snap, here is an idea. Check this out. First of all, most if not ALL foods in the US are created more or less out of Cone Syrup. It's what gives most food its sweetness. Not Sugar Cane. Secondly, we are the fattest country in the world. Slimming down on the Sugar might actually help some of us. And thirdly, ever heard of Stackable Land? You can essentially create a skyscraper that is made of agricultural land, and grow what you need on it, and it produces more effectively.
Well SmartAss Maybe you've never ventured past the Eastcoast. Ever been to Maui? Wanna know how much sugar cane gets grown and burned just to keep the Island looking pretty? Most of it does'nt even get processed to sugar, it just goes to waste. There is no reason they can't and shouldn't use that for fuel production.
personally i think there are too many cars on the roads, i think many more people should buy motorcycles. just think about it one of the major pros of a motorcycle is great gas milage and the distances you can travel on them. the only thing i see wrong with motorcycles is lack of storage space and theye are bad in winter. what do you guys think?
sir,a motorcycle is like any other motor vehicle, it is only as safe as the rider/opperator. if the rider/opperator is responsible their shouldnt be any problomes.
Your naivety is showing. If you are the safest motorcyclist in the universes and you get rammed by a Hummer, you are dead. If you are the safest motorist driving a Hummer and get slammed by another Hummer, guess what? Your chances of survival are better than if you were on that motorcycle.
Don't be so quick to bash ethanol. Ethanol from corn has raised the price of other agricultural commodities. However ethanol production from switchgrass and other cellulosic sources will not have the same effect.
Of the 100 acres used to produce food, maybe 5 will be converted to fuel production, but you'll gain another 20 of production because switchgrass can utilize marginal lands not already used in producing our food.
The environmental benefits should outway the small rise in food price.
What, the working poor don't care about the environment?
What about less dependance on foriegn oil? What about the thousands of jobs it could create, especially in rural areas? What about cheaper fuel prices?
I'm not saying ethanol production is perfect, or the cure for all our energy, economic and environmental woes, but if we do it right, it has the potential to be a real boon for Americans.
You want less dependence on foreign oil? Then we should drill for the oil we already have as it does not absorb farm crops to do so. Thus keeping our food cheap, and energy independence from rogue nations.
I also question why your argument swings on 'taking food out of peoples mouths'. The USA is currently the most obese country in the world, and also exports a huge amount of food anyway. In 2001 the US EXPORTED 23.3 MILLION kilos of Oranges alone, to China alone. Is food really a problem in the US? Will it ever be? No
Apparently you are not aware of the shortage of corn in the Western Hemisphere and how it is causing the price of all foods across the board to increase both in America, and the rest of the Western Hemisphere.
No, I'm aware of it, I just doubt it's importance. I believe, ironically given your name, that it's mostly right field propoganda against lowering oil prices.
92 million acres of corn were planted in America this spring and I believe there are tax subsidies in place to benefit the industry too. In short, you're going to use less oil, you're going to produce alot more corn and your agricultural sector will boom.
You are failing to see the picture and the impact of using food for fuel. The fact is, doing so has caused the price of food to rise across the board. Subsidies to farmers do not cause the price of putting food on the table to decrease, at least not here in America.
America must be exempt from the rules of economics if subsidies don't work there. I was under the impression that Roosevelt used subsidies to rescue the farming sector, but maybe my history is innacurate.
Your economy is producing more corn and food prices will go down.
Once again, you have no idea about food production in the USA. So please stop trying to pass yourself off as if you do. For I not pretend to know about farming in the UK as you seem to be an expert on American farming.
Well, I know about Roosevelt, and the great depression and you haven't been able to say anything to correct me, you've just said 'you have no idea', so...
OK, Saying MAKE MORE CORN is in no way trying to pass myself off as an expert! :D
I've never passed myself off as an expert, I just said saying subsidies don't work in the USA is clearly wrong, and I'm right. Maybe if you knew your own history better you wouldn't made wildly innaccurate comments like that.
I think I know my American history and FDR did not support a ban on light bulbs and we're had farm subsidies in America well before my birth, and we have not gone without food in this country and price have been low. That was before we started stuffing food in our gas tanks.
American farmland should be used to procduce food, not fuel. Do what you wish with your British farmland, as it is your farmland and not America's farmland.
PropagandaBuster, I've noticed you've tried to justify America's militaristic attitude, by saying; 'it keeps us safe', 'it allows us to sleep at night' etc..
I'd like to ask you if you can recall the last time a first world country was invaded, and whether or not you think America is safer following the invasion of Iraq (which the UN declared illegal)
You write "America's militaristic attitude," I write "America's protective attitude." Yes we are safe fighting terrorist in Iraq. Would you consider Europe to be made up of "first world" nations? If so, then consider WW2. America will always protect itself, no matter what any organization might label it. Especially one run by depots and thugs.
With all of the unused arable land in the U.S. right now, switchgrass can easily be cultivated almost anywhere w/o resorting to taking space away from farms & driving up the cost of our food supply. So no, it's not (as you so elequently put) "stupid".
cdowell1976 1 month ago
Oil company's wouldn't tell lies would they?
saladdogger 4 months ago
Food costs go up with the price of oil. Wonder what helps keep fuel prices lower? COMPETITION like biofuels!. We have a total of 3% of the worlds supply of oil and use 25%. This trainable has some trouble with numbers I guess. Hey dubass, we dont grow sugercane across america for fuel, your thinking of south America.
monsterrain1000 5 months ago
In real life .. This makes no sense .. Food Goes rotten in trucks .. We are able to grow more food then needed . As long as we (with gov help) pay for it. Ethanol from swithgrass is a far better choice then what is going on now. Plus .. You can make it at home .. From damn near anything. Fun for the whole family . This rant really has no place . Blanket statements suck
Beachcrib 5 months ago
india anyone??? everyone in the villages of northern india grow trailors full of sugarcane every season
Mulakataan 8 months ago
if we are so conserned about price of corn going up then stop buying oversized v8s. Most people are drivng in big trucks by themselves. A 4 cylinder car is good enough to carry 5 people around town efficiently.
regcer 11 months ago
have a cry about it, oh wait you are, on valuable youtube time haha price of time goes up
blackbone88 1 year ago
Hey, thanks for posting this video! It helped a lot with a science project I was doing! It was just the video I was looking for!
todaystechworld 1 year ago
@todaystechworld - You are welcomed. You may also want to view my latest video: "Rising food prices the real reason unreported by the news media." I discuss ethanol in this video also.
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
then brought back into production as near virgin pristine farm land. Land in production for row crops can also be used to provide winter crops, even in very cold climates through the use of green house farming. Providing local source food supplies for communities that does not have to be trucked accross the country, shipped in from over seas... It's work! Requires much more thought and better planning, but produces PROFITS greater than factory farming methods we use now, which destroys soil!
LtColDaddy71 1 year ago
The byproducts of making ethanol from corn/sugar beets can be diverted RIGHT back into the system to be used as animal feed. So meat doesn't HAVE to go up if some common sense is used! Also, grain crops planted annually require tons and tons of fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, and it all works it's way into our water supply, into rivers, much of it washes down the Mississippi and into the Gulf of Mexico. Sustainable organic farming would put 1/2 the land back to pasture for 5 years
LtColDaddy71 1 year ago
lol..."yeahhhhhhhhh"
hemmingway28 1 year ago
You know that the government still pays farmer to not to grow anything to keep the prices higher. I remember for years my family was paid to not to grow.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
ahhh theres millions of houses that have weeds that ppl PAY to remove them,annnd waste fruit from orcherds and......skyscrapers growing weeds or sugar cane on hydroponic system,with solar on top so you cant say "duhhh it polutes more with the dirty coal electricity that we make duhhh" duhhs excused get your head out of your ass man ethanol was the first fuel besides steam or electricity much would still be around if it wasnt for jerks like you
mfluty 1 year ago
PropagandaBuster, you are very, very wrong with the numbers. If America hypothetically speaking only use a 100 arces of land & 25 of that to produce fuel then u would be correct. But being that America has plenty of land & the farmers I've spoken too said that they are more then capable of producing more i.e sugar, switchgrass, corn just to name a few, the gov't regulate on how much they can grow. Besides Brazil is a good example on how to do! I believe u need to go back to the drawing board!!
antmo52 1 year ago
what if you could grow hydroponic food on top of that 100 acres?
macoediv 1 year ago
the goverment pays farmers not to farm their land every 4 years or so so not to deplete the soil, during this period the farmer could grow switch grass and add good nutrients back into the soil and make gas. people who down great ideas have not read them through from beginning to end if the ground has more nutrients the food will be better and my tax dollors wont have to subsidise, and the farmer can get paid himself. and make the food better not worse
MrBlackfoot66 1 year ago
the guverment payes people so they wont grow g i wonder wy
edgarjesusrodriguez 1 year ago
Overlooked is the fact that farming is not limited to 100 acres.. It's based on supply and demand...The supply and demand of FOOD and FUEL are connected but not same. I can tell you, that if there is more demand for these plants, just like subsidized corn, which is a horrible source of ethanol. THERE IS ENOUGH FOOD TO FEED EVERYONE ON THE EARTH, SO WHY ARE PEOPLE STARVING? We don't have a shortage of food, people have a shortage of money to buy it!! gov't def. shouldn't be subsidizing corn.
Clyaton 1 year ago
you dont have to use the whole corn you can extract sugar from the corn cobs its actually pretty sweet and taste like sugar can, the cob that is
superbungabunga 1 year ago
The only reason why food prices went up is because fuel prices went up.
IndyFan53 1 year ago
you are an idiot. quit being a dick. study peak oil, learn how they make ethanol and shut the fuck up. nothing goes to wast when making ethanol.
switchgrassfuel 1 year ago
@switchgrassfuel Well, except corn!! I like switchgrass and hemp and sugar cane much better. Peak oil? Hubberts peak you mean... I think we are supposed to reach it by 2035, but who knows
Clyaton 1 year ago
@Clyaton 2035 you must be dreaming try 2005 maybe. I don't see any stats that indicate they might be able to increase production at all. in my opinion the cheap stuff is already gone. why else would they be drilling in 5000 ft of water?
switchgrassfuel 1 year ago
Simply not true.. A lot of the problem is drilling rights/environmental issues. The 2035 is not my estimate, but a text book estimate, and one I've heard from different political figures. Hubberts peak refers to the point at which price never drops again, because the supply will be bottle-necked to it's final point. Prices raise and drop every year, therefore we are nowhere near this point. Also figuring in inflation, during cheap months it's not much more expensive then the past.
Clyaton 1 year ago
@Clyaton you can believe what you want, I am talking about the actual oil out if the ground. the price can be manipulated even after we have hit peak oil. what do you think it just stops at the top and their is no room for manipulation going down the other side?
switchgrassfuel 1 year ago
It's foolish to think that, manipulation can't really happen after hubbert's peak.. If it does people will just stop using it even faster making it less of an issue. In 2005, we had 3 buck gas at the highest. In 2008 it got above $4. Now it's less than $3. This kind of change in price can't happen after Hubberts peak.. Price will only ever increase once it occurs, so manipulation may bring it up higher than it is supposed to be, but it will never bring it down again.
Clyaton 1 year ago
@Clyaton allot has changed since 2008 or did you forget all of the people laid off from their jobs already. their is room for manipulation after the peak, their wont always be room in the future when we get further down the curve. Don't just look at the price. look at how much we consume VS extract from ground and how much we are finding year after year. I shouldn't have to explain it to you like a kindergartner. their are other ways to measure oil production than just looking at the price.
switchgrassfuel 1 year ago
@switchgrassfuel No need to be condescending, I'm not a kindergartner. Your problem is that you are so blinded by your hatred of oil and the business that you are blinded to reality. Do you know how much oil is in Alaska alone? Do you know how many restrictions there are on drilling in general? These regulations haven't caused us to reach the peak, they've created peaks and dips of their own which speculators capitalize on. You are the only one claiming we've reached Hubbert's peak sir.
Clyaton 1 year ago
@Clyaton I am not the only one that has claimed we've hit peak oil. look it up. Weather or not i am blinded by my hatred for oil doesn't mature, at this point i don't care if this peak in production is man made or because they can't get it out of the ground as fast as they could in the past, their restrictions,not enough drilling platforms, not enough refineries,oil is in 5000 ft of water, or any other excuse you want to add. for some reason we hit our peak in 2005. check it out for yourself.
switchgrassfuel 1 year ago
Wrong ! You should work for the oil companies and they might like what you have to say.
Not even 1 % of farm land is used. Also it helps to restore the land if it is done right.
Two -processed sugar kills more people than you can believe. Put it in the tank and you have cheap fuel and clean air!
Three--corn has not effect that much on price . It is the price of gas to get it from point A to B is what marks it up . From one of the last individuals. R.Young
youngsinfo 2 years ago
You are an insult to stupid people. You are Limbaugh. That's horrible. A pile of maggots and feces baking in the sun is Limbaugh, and you are Limbaugh too. Limbaugh, Limbaugh, Limbaugh.
dayglowgreendoor 2 years ago
You are stupid. It's not a black & white issue.
dayglowgreendoor 2 years ago
Your ignorant. Switchgrass dose not take up agricultural land, its simply grass and it can grow almost anywhere, for example I'm sure there is some in your back yard thats clippings are hauled off to a dump somewhere every week when they could actually produce fuel. Switchgrass is a excellent solution to this nations fuel crisis I wish you did a little research before YOU started spreading "propaganda".
Im awarding you with Grayson Graham's Ignorant Propaganda Award, congratulations dumb ass
graysoncgl 2 years ago
Can be made out of yard waste and raw sewage. Those are things that are ususally thrown ou when they can be made into cheap fuel.
IndyFan53 2 years ago
May I suggest that is not wise to compare two different countries and two different environments.
In Brasil is no question that ethanol is working.
Now the question with US is that perhaps switchgrass requires land +water that is beyond reasonable. Again this is a different conditions.
Also people should travel to different countries to understand what they are talking about.
lialammas 2 years ago
you are an idiot and don't have a clue on how much the price of food could go up if we don't fix our transportation costs, and try to keep some of our money at home. you are not going to make big oil pump faster even if they could. so at least try and keep an open mind towards alternative fuels. If you would do your homework you might learn something.
switchgrassfuel 2 years ago
Gasoline here in the States already contains 10% ethanol. Up until about 35 years ago, they used to put LEAD in the gasoline!
RattlerBK 3 years ago
DFS
tstrap2007 3 years ago
switchgrass can grow on land not used for farming food products. Thats why they are promoting its use. I live next to a plant that uses corn for ethenol [not smart]. As far as having lots of oil, yes but its lock away in rocks etc. The midwest US has tons of it just no way to get the oil out. Just my opinion.
timetogo40 3 years ago
One station nearby sells the ethanol for Flex Fuel vehicles that's cheaper than conventional gas.
Now we're well on our way to our independence from foreign oil and BOMBING EVERY FUCKING TOWEL HEAD IN THE MIDDLE EAST !!!
slingblade65 3 years ago
Please be nice.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
@slingblade65 Theres no need to bring rasism into this. People in the middle east have contributed even more to society as we americans have so far. Also you need %130 more ethanol to create the amount of power regular gas makes. So if you loke at it the way for every gallon of ethanol you buy your only getting 70 percent of a gallons worth of gas.
regcer 11 months ago
What about all the land that the Goverment pays farmers not to plant? CRP ground.
busterxbrown 3 years ago
can we buy sugar from brazil?
attie3 3 years ago
I have no idea. But I would think they use their sugar to produce their ethanol.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
yes. its cheaper than importing petroleum. Many counties such as Argentina, El Salvador, and others have been importing brazilian sugar cane based ethanol.
main points, its cheaper, enviormentaly freindly and its ENVIORMENTALY FREINDLY!! thats the best part.
DLTD 3 years ago
damn i wish the U.S. government can just importing the sugar and take off the trade rule and make new ones so we can import the goods
attie3 3 years ago
> importing brazilian sugar cane based ethanol.
>and its ENVIORMENTALY FREINDLY!!
Apparently, you're not aware of how much rain forest has been clearcut and burned in order to plant for biofuels. Let's see, drill hole for oil acres, or wipe out hectares of forest, then use vast amounts of fertilizer and water to produce ethanol, which produces more toxic fumes (search: ethanol toxic stanford) and is a net co2 increase over gasoline (search: ethanol co2 science magazine). Eco-friendly?
codehead1 3 years ago
Why don´t you do some reading before talking crap such as this?
Sugarcane does NOT grow in the rainforest, for the terrain is too acid and there´s a fungus in the amazon that kills it.
Learn little one, before posting crap, ok?
galonga 2 years ago
>Why don´t you do some reading before talking crap such as this?
>Sugarcane does NOT grow in the rainforest...
I talked about rainforest that have been clearcut for biofuels. Nowhere did I mention Brazil nor sugarcane. It was a general comment about the state of "green" in the world. Maybe you're the one who needs to comprehend what he reads instead of reading into it what you want to see.
codehead1 2 years ago
Yes we can buy sugar from Brazil. Just because they they make ethanol from sugarcane and Brazil has imported very little oil for the last 20 years. Oh yes I didn't remember to say that their economy is booming.
Submanca 10 months ago
There are a few mistakes in your argument. One using your analogy if there is 100 acres on land probably only 50 of it is actually used. 50 of it is not good enough to grow major crops but is quite adequate to grow grass. In fact only about 25% of that is corn. Which is almost half of the worlds production of corn. By giving farmers another crop to grow that can be grown on ground that can't grow corn will just increase how much farmers make or a few less starving farmers.
Submanca 10 months ago
This guy is irritating, obnoxious, arrogant, stupid, and on and on. He is the problem with our country. He talks a lot of feces but offers nothing helpful. Not to mention the fact he doesn't have one fact that is correct. Brazil must have an Area 51 type petroleum refinery somewhere and the ethanol plants are a clever cover for our UFO/Alien masters. He's a perfect example of people my statistics professor warned us about;"Numbers don't lie, BUT liars use numbers".
vchorseguy 3 years ago
Thank you for admitting you are a victim of the hate-America crowd who took over our colleges and universities.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
@PropagandaBuster hey man you can love america and and love ethanol too dipstick
mfluty 1 year ago
I'm a Democrate and this guy is getting on my my last nerve.....He can say 100 ways how we cant I can say 100 ways how we can.
south97north 3 years ago
Wow, you actually admit to being one of the dar Democrats?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Why does everyone want to blame Bush. 10+ years ago clinton veto a bill that would fix our oil problem before it even became one. Republican want to drill for oil but the democrate is saying whats the point and they are the majority in congress right now and they wanted to go on vacation before dealing with the gas prices. If you did some reasearch instead of listening to left wing bullshit you might learn something. With the little bit being said i think you STUPID!
kenfla2 3 years ago
I think the point of the SwitchGrass is that it has the potential of producing several times more ethanol, than corn per acre and this fuel is renewable AND helps the enviroment by using the C02 we put in to the air currently .. and if you really look at it - we waste most of the food we grow on out farm lands .. the key here still is the FUEL is renewable!!
huhplo 3 years ago
It will take that long to drill for our own oil because of government regulations and environmental hurdles. Remove the regulations and hurdles and the oil would be to market in six months. Do you really want America to be like Brazil or Germany? Except for the Brazilian women, I do not think so.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
The "same ole" works and we have an abundance of it. We need to use the oil we have while the "great minds" develop or market a battery good enough to transport our vehicles. What damage to the environment do you think all those dead batteries will do? How much fuel must be developed to make up for all that energy being used to re-charge all those batteries? What will those power plants run on?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Nobody eats switchgrass.
Switchgrass easily grows on WASTELAND that cant grow food.
Jatropha plants for fuel are being grown on WASTELAND in India and Philippines. Nobody eats Jatropha either.
tri400 3 years ago
Wrong.
You don't get it..
WE have a tremndous amout of un used farm land. Why should we dump Millions of dollars of seconds to import Oil?
Oh, and the price of food has gone up because the energy cost to make it has gone up.
You do know that the fuel for the tractors and trucks is oil, the Fertilizer to grow it is from oil, and the pesticides come from oil? Oil went up, so the cost to produce you food.
What you need to know it, is about energy.
Agni42 3 years ago
That just leaves more room to start more farmland.
poppamonk 3 years ago
You still miss the point! The ethanol that is processed out of the corn doesn't destroy the corn. The left over byproducts from the fermentation and distillation process is great animal feed. It is better for the cattle and has a higher protein content. Why? the yeast that is used in fermentation leaves behind protein and high vitamin B in the leftover grain. Also switchgrass and other crops such as sugarcane can make ethanol, again the byproducts are still useful and profitable!
dirtball1100 3 years ago
Ethanol is the aswer for the problem about fuel. The petroleo is going down and some products need to be done, so, about fuel for car, the sugar cane can do his work, about plastic, PVC and another staffs, so... we need to think
pharratus 3 years ago
Post less of this drivel and save some energy. We'll all benefit.
counsel007 3 years ago
actually I want to correct you on a few things there and I have a suggestion that might help we have already used those oil reserves you speak of we just haven't let the public know about it yet and you are correct about the use of our land for Ethanol but there is a solution we can make Ethanol from mushrooms which grow anywhere so we can build mushroom growing towers and use them to make Ethanol it takes up hardly any space and is clean safe and cheap
samusachick 3 years ago
I was not addressing our oil reserves. I was addressing new oil drilling. Fine make Ethanol from mushrooms in towers, but we should still drill for the oil we have right here in these here United States.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
you can make ethanol in your garage for much less then you would buy it for and your not supporting oil companies which run this country
Sojaofdapepo 3 years ago
How much ethanol have you made?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
2 gallons, but i don't trust it in my truck alone with out some modifications. i have mixed it with gas in my moped and it worked good
Sojaofdapepo 3 years ago
Perhaps you should make a "how to" video and share it with the rest of us.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
A friend of mine came to America when he was around 25 years old from Italy. All the time while in America, he always spoke English with an Italian accent. Then at about age 50 he returns to Italy to visit family. While in Italy they told him he spoke Italian with an American accent. So he said, "it is funny, I speak two languages and both with an accent."
Did your parents return to Italy also?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Poor English? Who? Your English is excellent. Your YouTube page says you live in Italy. Are you in Italy now? Do you speak Portuguese, Italian, and English?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
The real question is: why should Americans use any agriculture product when we have 100 to 400 years of petroleum we are not allowed to drill?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
you are the idiot
sugar cane is a great source
the sugar cane industry in the carribean is going to collapse next year because E.U refuses to buy from us (U.S doesnt realy either)
so why not use our sugar.... with our sugar cane ethanol could be produced providing 70% of North America with ethanol
thus reducing prices and making the air much cleaner
jamaican8891 3 years ago
YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT DUDE!
These guys here always keep sayin the USA should produce the whole ethanol they need. They cant even figure out how many acres of land are abandoned right now throughout the world ready to produce and supply all the nations.. Jamaica, Brazil, Haiti, all Central American countries, African countries, South American countries, Asian countries, Autralia, USA, Mexico and Canada... damn dude! Americans are so mind narrowed.
BJJ415N 3 years ago
See how narrow minded I am after the food riots.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
The food riots have nothing to do with ethanol. Oil prices caused the rise of food prices. PROTECTIONISM and the increasing consumption are the main factors. Thats the main issue here Mr. Buster. Now we can see the so called "free world" americans love to repeat everytime. Yeah.. free world... free world my ass dude!
BJJ415N 3 years ago
Are you familiar with the adage about the ostrich?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
No. Tell us about it..
BJJ415N 3 years ago
When things got bad, the ostrich stuck it's head in the sand.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
So, this is not what ethanol defenders use to do. They're simply facing the problem. Proposing a solution. It seems to me you are behavin like the ostrich.
Then, take your head out of the sand and face reality: OIL IS ABOUT TO END AND THE PLANET CANT SUPPORT ALL THESE CO2 EMISSIONS!!!!!
BJJ415N 3 years ago
You see the glass half empty, I see the glass half filled.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Like Auguste Comte showed: everything is relative... thats the only absolute thing in the universe. You see the world from a perspective of no ending oil (which is totally unrealistic). I see a 10 billion people world with no drinkable water, clean air, enough food and energy to sustain us... but I'd rather face reality proposing solution than live in a fantasy world of yours.
BJJ415N 3 years ago
BJJ415N: May I continue to live in my fantasy world, while you live in your nightmare of a world.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
No problems at all Mr. Buster... no problems at all... and life goes on...
BJJ415N 3 years ago
and many of these countries would love some foriegn investment
its good for both economies
ChEeSe15697 3 years ago
no, dude... they don't need it. All they need is the END OF PROTECTIONISM.
BJJ415N 3 years ago
What a moron!
No, I think that's all I'll say never argue with an idiot.
washparkguy 3 years ago
You just proved President Abraham Lincoln correct when he said,
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
Reading your above statement removed all doubt. Thanks for clearing that up!
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
I used to disagree with you until I did the math. If you were to turn every farmable acre in America into growing swithgrass for ethanol,(which is the most efficient crop for producing ethanol) and leave nothing for food you would account for only 64% of gallons of oil consumed. And that estimate is only gallon for gallon. Each gallon of ethanol contains less energy than gasoline, so it would probably replace less than 50% of oil consumption, and we would have no food.
EricTokar 3 years ago
Thank you for your thoughtful and analytically correct comment.
I am confident if you watch some of my other video you still may find many areas go disagree with me.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Solution: decrease the tariff on Brazilian ethanol (50 cent/gallon). The have the crops, the know how, and the cheap labor. Done. Next issue please.
LinuxRex2 3 years ago
Solution: Remove any restrictions on drilling for the oil sitting below our feet and off our shores. The Chinese are drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico, while our Congress will not allow us to do. What does that tell you?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
While I agree in principal with your argument to not displace food crops with fuel crops, I'd disagree with your views on the two specific articles you highlight at the beginning. Switchgrass, while it certainly could displace a food crop, is really intended to be grown on land that could otherwise not support a food crop due to its hardy nature. The second article is really about using a byproduct of sugarcane called bagasse (which is currently burned for power) to create biomass ethanol.
upupaepops 3 years ago
BS!
BJJ415N 3 years ago
How long did it take you to think of that, and did you have to use a spell checker?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Your logic is so stupid that I had to use an idiotic spell checker. "we are leaving 400 years supply of oil untouched" damn... that was stupid! Oil is going to end. China and India are now demanding oil to satisfy almost 3 billion people. The whole world is increasing its oil demand. The planet cant support all these CO2 emissions.
Do you know how many acres of agricultural lands are abandoned right now because of protectionism? How many people in the world live in poverty because of that?
BJJ415N 3 years ago
Your comment, "Your logic is so stupid..." is a flawed comment. If my logic is stupid, then there is no logic. So how can something that does not exist be stupid?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
i generally agree with you on most of your videos... but your views on oil, while in some way substantiated, for the most part are mislead. just because there is a reserve of X barrels doesn't mean it's all recoverable (by a large margin usually).
oil will be around for a while, but we WILL need renewable resources in the next few decades. we consume so much oil there isn't a magic bullet. diversity?
No corn here, i invest in non-food ethanol and algae fuels... put in ~$2000 this year so far.
ibetithasnot 3 years ago
I do not think we disagree. The brunt of this video and my opinions about fuel is, it is just plain wrong to put food in our gas tanks. I honestly do not care what alternative methods of fuel comes on board, as long as we are not shoving food in our gas tanks.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
and i'll also have you know that a mere 6.4 million acres of solar panels will meet the ENTIRE US's electricity demands during the daytime hours. RENEWABLE ENERGIES!!!!
ibetithasnot 3 years ago
Nice research. However anytime corn is used for fuel when we have more oil under our feet, that causes the price of oil and food in increase. Have you purchased gas or gone grocery shopping lately?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Can you read?
95% of the oil that comprises your "400 year" estimate (more like 150) is UNCONVENTIONAL... go educate yourself on this. light crude (pump-able) is becoming a thing of the past here. it's hard to find reserves to sustain our 7.5 BILLION barrel per year consumption for any real length of time. ANWR is only 1-1.5 years worth.
the cost of crude makes up ~73% of the cost of a gallon of gas. everything is going up due to oil, NOT biofuels.
How much stock do you own in oil again?
ibetithasnot 3 years ago
No I can no read, want to teach me? Okay you say Alaska has 1 -- 5 years of oil. How much is off the West cost? How about the Gulf? Let's not forget North Dakota. Then of course Brazil just found a huge oil find off their shores. Look we have plenty of oil to stop using Middle East oil and stop using food for fuel.
I do not have any oil stocks that I am aware of. How much stock do you have in corn?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
You realize we consume 7.5 BILLION Bbls/yr?
Prudhoe bay: 2 Bil Bbls left recoverable
ANWR: 10 Bil Bbls
Bakken formation: ~400 Bil. Bbls, BUT this is a continuous field, not discreet: bad thing. ~4 Bil. Bbls considered recoverable
Gulf of mexico: production of 1.5M Bbls/d sustained so far. still a far cry from 20.5. errr... the 14 M Bbls/d we import.
US oil shale reserves: ~2 Tril Bbls shale oil (kerogen). non-conv oil... don't get sucked in by the number, do a little research on this.
ibetithasnot 3 years ago
Guess what? I will not change your mind, and by the same token I do not see you changing my mind. I believe we have the oil and adding food to our gas tanks is just wrong.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
and to further dispel your BS PropBuster:
the US currently has around 302 million acres of farm land, roughly 12-13% of our total area. farm acreage has been INCREASING over the years. there are 2.4 Billion acres within our borders.
ethanol is C2H5OH no matter what it's made from. switchgrass growth DOES NOT impede on our 302M acres of food source lands, as it grows well on marginal (NON FOOD CROP) lands. Syngas, Thermal Depolyperization of waste, and algae are other great options for fuel
ibetithasnot 3 years ago
I have to disagree with you.
There is no reason not to pursue ethanol or any other alternative fuels from biproducts (NOT FOOD) which would otherwise be trash.
Get real my friend... If just one billion of the 7 billion people on earth (1 OUT OF 7) have a child this year. The supply and demand is exponentially changed and its going to drive prices up much faster than other economic indicator.
realsolutions101 3 years ago
You had to disagree with me? Who is forcing you?
The problem is currently corn which is not a trash crop, is being used to produce fuel. Which equates to using food to fill up our gas tanks when we have plenty of oil to do the job.
Did you just discover YouTube today?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
his voice is pissing me off.
hsttom 3 years ago
Look around...Americans need to lay of of not "some" food, but "alot" of food. And as far as needing food to feed chickens, pigs,etc because they are food consumption well, we can survive without meat...infact a simple card deck size of meat a day per person is enough to support the needed amount of protein. And we don't need to completely rely on ethonal...it could be "one" alternative...their is nuclear energy, wind, hybrid cars, and yesssssss conservation!!!
Yayapilo 3 years ago
There is no need to put corn or sugar cane in our gas tanks as we have plenty of oil in the ground right here in these here United States. You are a correct a nation which refuses to use the natural resources within its borders will become a third world nation. Thank you Al Gore!
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
man don't you get it? our crude reserves aren't that big. the oil shales and tar sands you're relying on are VERY difficult (expensive) to extract and refine: not cost effective at all even at today's $129/bl crude prices. i don't want to pay $7/gal just b/c it comes from our own ground.
renewable energies and biofuels are our future regardless of your belief. and get off the corn thing... it's capped at 15 million barrels/year by law. cellulose ethanol will far surpass that and be much cheaper
ibetithasnot 3 years ago
Pardon my disagreement. There is more oil in North America than in all of the Middle East. It is estimated there is over 400 years worth of oil in North America. You do not want to pay $7.00 a gal for oil that comes out of our ground. Ethanol is only profitable when gas is high in price. Also, to produce Ethanol requires more energy than results from the product. Besides, it is just plain wrong to put food in a gas tank when people are rioting for food around the world.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
No pardon given... there is conventional oil, then there's non-conventional oil. you obviously know little/nothing about the difference. RESEARCH!!! the US alone uses 20.5 mil barrels of oil a day (MMBbl/d). we'll be lucky to produce 1-1.5 MMBbl/d using oil shales by 2020 (as shown in quite a few reports) despite our 2 trillion bbl non-conv reserves. the capacity isn't there to fulfill demand, and volume of product means nothing w/o considering speed.
you're putting a band-aid on a bullet wound
ibetithasnot 3 years ago
and for your information PB, the EROEI for corn ethanol is 1.3:1, slightly positive. cellulosic ethanol has been PROVEN to vary between 8:1 and 13:1.
petroleum produced in north america has a EROEI of about 3:1, while in the middle east it's closer to 10:1. go look it up for yourself. oil shales and tar sands are worse than petroleum and it takes much longer to extract and refine than crude.
you need to get it through your thick skull that oil isn't as viable as it was 20 years ago. Goebbels?
ibetithasnot 3 years ago
Brazil is grows sugar cane and is oil independent. How can we in America not do this?....we are truly going down....we won't be the super power for much longer.
Yayapilo 3 years ago
you know before the corn ethanol boom and jump in grain price. There was 8 cents of grain sent to produce a box of cereal but now it take about 18 cent of grain to produce a box cereal which is nothing compared to the $3.50 sent on advertising that same box of cereal. and if wasn't for the ethanol boom gas would cost at least another 50 cents a gallon. SO GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT
yfzschaefer 3 years ago
Everyone look, another product of an American public school.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Not another product of an American public school just a farm boy from South Dakota
yfzschaefer 3 years ago
Then were you home schooled?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
"sugar can" is not food.
And it´s produced in Brazil, but the food prices in brazil don´t "GOES UP"!!!
Macuje 3 years ago
Your a moron, I can make my own fule retard with my corn crops wich I will rule the americans with in 2010 with food shortage. Lol
Heroishere678123 3 years ago
So should I call you "Leader" today or hold off until 2010?
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
bottom line, petroleum prices are why groceries are going up, NOT ethanol. eth takes less than $1 a gallon to make. cellulosic eth will push this even lower. 72% of the cost of a gal of gas is due to crude. 1 barrel = 42 gallons = $2.73/gal for the crude alone at $115/barrel. gas around here is $3.44/gal.
2/3 of our 21 million b/day a day oil consumption (US alone) goes to motor fuel needs. 60% of our oil is imported, or $1 BILLION/day in imported crude alone. electricity will be our best bet
ibetithasnot 3 years ago
humans don't consume cellulosic materials (switchgrass, prarie grass, wood, leaves, etc). switchgrass grows fine on "agriculturally marginal lands", i.e. land NOT USED FOR FOOD CROPS. the parts of field corn (starches) that make ethanol are separate from ag feed... the ethanol process doesn't use the protein parts of the corn kernel. which means the proteins are still there for feed.
go educate yourself more on ethanol, this video makes you look ignorant. we're NOT putting food into our tanks.
ibetithasnot 3 years ago
propbuster, you make yourself look ignorant. there is NOT a 400 year supply of oil left... if there was, gas wouldn't be $3.50/gal. there is recoverable oil, then there's NON recov. oil.
switchgrass isn't a food source, makes 1,100 gal ethanol per acre vs 350 for corn, and requires 10 times less energy to plant and harvest (13:1 vs 1.3:1 PER). research cellulosic ethanol.
food goes up with oil anyway... diesel, fertilizers, & chemicals depend on oil. $200/barrel anyone? Peak Oil is here.
ibetithasnot 3 years ago
Please pardon my disagreement with you: there is well over 400 years worth of oil in this hemisphere alone. New oil finds off Brazil, the Gulf of Mexico and North Dakota, plus the untouched oil in Alaska and the coal oil in Canada.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Interesting thoughts their Mr. "Propaganda Buster." Come to think of it I need to bust a few your points. This nonsense about switchgrass taking our farmlands is bunk. Switchgrass grows on marginalized lands (ie NOT FARMLAND), only needs to be planted once every 8 years, requires less care, less fertilizers, less energy to harvest and yields 250% as much ethanol as corn. BTW What is your solution? Last time I checked we were long on problems short on solutions...
3w3t3wb 3 years ago
Please point me to where in this video I mentioned "switchgrass?"
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
1.) Title of the video is: "Ethanol, corn, switchgrass, and sugar cane"
2.) 0:28 Article Shown Title "Switchgrass trumps corn for making ethanol"
3.) 0:34 you mention switchgrass
4.) 1:03 you refer to the article in #2 and say "Some type of grass"
5.) 1:43 You mention switchgrass by name
What is your point anyway? Even if you hadn't mentioned switchgrass it doesn't change the fact that your WRONG about ethanol. Sure we have oil and coal but we have already seen the effects. Ice shelf?!
wumba82 3 years ago
Ooops on me. Thanks for that. But I still stand by the overall theme, adding food to the gas tank is bad for the economy. Yeah the ice shelf is growing thanks to good old fashion earth's cycle.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Oh snap, here is an idea. Check this out. First of all, most if not ALL foods in the US are created more or less out of Cone Syrup. It's what gives most food its sweetness. Not Sugar Cane. Secondly, we are the fattest country in the world. Slimming down on the Sugar might actually help some of us. And thirdly, ever heard of Stackable Land? You can essentially create a skyscraper that is made of agricultural land, and grow what you need on it, and it produces more effectively.
KainMalice 3 years ago
There goes my pot belly.
PropagandaBuster 3 years ago
Well SmartAss Maybe you've never ventured past the Eastcoast. Ever been to Maui? Wanna know how much sugar cane gets grown and burned just to keep the Island looking pretty? Most of it does'nt even get processed to sugar, it just goes to waste. There is no reason they can't and shouldn't use that for fuel production.
crixcroi2387382 3 years ago
Electricity is a better source of domestically produced, clean energy that we can use to power our cars that will not drive the price of food up.
Conservation the always the best policy. The bicycle is a great way to get to work and keep fit. And how old is that technology?
Killroy1999 4 years ago
personally i think there are too many cars on the roads, i think many more people should buy motorcycles. just think about it one of the major pros of a motorcycle is great gas milage and the distances you can travel on them. the only thing i see wrong with motorcycles is lack of storage space and theye are bad in winter. what do you guys think?
nissanR92CP 4 years ago
How about the lack of safety issue?
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
sir,a motorcycle is like any other motor vehicle, it is only as safe as the rider/opperator. if the rider/opperator is responsible their shouldnt be any problomes.
nissanR92CP 4 years ago
Your naivety is showing. If you are the safest motorcyclist in the universes and you get rammed by a Hummer, you are dead. If you are the safest motorist driving a Hummer and get slammed by another Hummer, guess what? Your chances of survival are better than if you were on that motorcycle.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
Don't be so quick to bash ethanol. Ethanol from corn has raised the price of other agricultural commodities. However ethanol production from switchgrass and other cellulosic sources will not have the same effect.
Of the 100 acres used to produce food, maybe 5 will be converted to fuel production, but you'll gain another 20 of production because switchgrass can utilize marginal lands not already used in producing our food.
The environmental benefits should outway the small rise in food price.
bequipinc 4 years ago
"The environmental benefits should outway the small rise in food prices," tell that to the working poor.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
What, the working poor don't care about the environment?
What about less dependance on foriegn oil? What about the thousands of jobs it could create, especially in rural areas? What about cheaper fuel prices?
I'm not saying ethanol production is perfect, or the cure for all our energy, economic and environmental woes, but if we do it right, it has the potential to be a real boon for Americans.
bequipinc 4 years ago
You want less dependence on foreign oil? Then we should drill for the oil we already have as it does not absorb farm crops to do so. Thus keeping our food cheap, and energy independence from rogue nations.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
small? food prices are sky rocketing.
talktal 4 years ago
Agree
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
you sound like a gangster, trying to be like one,. but your just a propagandist.
you have an opinion though, but only see one side of the story.
by the way, how much food do you need?
drogzi 4 years ago
Sorry pal, this is me. I'm not trying to be anything, but to inform.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
agree with you 100 percent on ehtanol
theguylivinginmaine 4 years ago
I also question why your argument swings on 'taking food out of peoples mouths'. The USA is currently the most obese country in the world, and also exports a huge amount of food anyway. In 2001 the US EXPORTED 23.3 MILLION kilos of Oranges alone, to China alone. Is food really a problem in the US? Will it ever be? No
thetwistedblue 4 years ago
Apparently you are not aware of the shortage of corn in the Western Hemisphere and how it is causing the price of all foods across the board to increase both in America, and the rest of the Western Hemisphere.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
No, I'm aware of it, I just doubt it's importance. I believe, ironically given your name, that it's mostly right field propoganda against lowering oil prices.
92 million acres of corn were planted in America this spring and I believe there are tax subsidies in place to benefit the industry too. In short, you're going to use less oil, you're going to produce alot more corn and your agricultural sector will boom.
thetwistedblue 4 years ago
You are failing to see the picture and the impact of using food for fuel. The fact is, doing so has caused the price of food to rise across the board. Subsidies to farmers do not cause the price of putting food on the table to decrease, at least not here in America.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
America must be exempt from the rules of economics if subsidies don't work there. I was under the impression that Roosevelt used subsidies to rescue the farming sector, but maybe my history is innacurate.
Your economy is producing more corn and food prices will go down.
Not tough to understand at all.
thetwistedblue 4 years ago
Once again, you have no idea about food production in the USA. So please stop trying to pass yourself off as if you do. For I not pretend to know about farming in the UK as you seem to be an expert on American farming.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
Well, I know about Roosevelt, and the great depression and you haven't been able to say anything to correct me, you've just said 'you have no idea', so...
OK, Saying MAKE MORE CORN is in no way trying to pass myself off as an expert! :D
I've never passed myself off as an expert, I just said saying subsidies don't work in the USA is clearly wrong, and I'm right. Maybe if you knew your own history better you wouldn't made wildly innaccurate comments like that.
thetwistedblue 4 years ago
I think I know my American history and FDR did not support a ban on light bulbs and we're had farm subsidies in America well before my birth, and we have not gone without food in this country and price have been low. That was before we started stuffing food in our gas tanks.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
"Subsidies to farmers do not cause the price of putting food on the table to decrease, at least not here in America."
"we're had farm subsidies in America well before my birth, and we have not gone without food in this country and price have been low"
Surely the answer now is; Produce MORE CORN, and new and different subsidies!
thetwistedblue 4 years ago
Can we use your farmland to produce more corn for American fuel tanks?
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
No, if you produced corn at anything like the intensity that British farming operates at, you could probably feed Mexico as well as yourselves.
thetwistedblue 4 years ago
American farmland should be used to procduce food, not fuel. Do what you wish with your British farmland, as it is your farmland and not America's farmland.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago
PropagandaBuster, I've noticed you've tried to justify America's militaristic attitude, by saying; 'it keeps us safe', 'it allows us to sleep at night' etc..
I'd like to ask you if you can recall the last time a first world country was invaded, and whether or not you think America is safer following the invasion of Iraq (which the UN declared illegal)
thetwistedblue 4 years ago
You write "America's militaristic attitude," I write "America's protective attitude." Yes we are safe fighting terrorist in Iraq. Would you consider Europe to be made up of "first world" nations? If so, then consider WW2. America will always protect itself, no matter what any organization might label it. Especially one run by depots and thugs.
PropagandaBuster 4 years ago