Could Hitler have been stopped? Part 1

[HavidDagstrom]

Seriously it was stalin that fucked every thing up. Anything Trotsky is guilty of so is Lenin, so to condemn anything trotsky "Did," is anything Lenin "Did".

So trotsky condemned the Kronstadt rebellion. Lenin told him to do it, because it was a french infiltration. Later on it was revealed they were right. Stalin killed millions of people under the impression of a paranoid conspiracy against him.

[bikerboygeoff]

@ailingequation What do you mean anti semitic? Tony Cliff the founder of the Socialist Workers Party was Jewish and I might add from Palestine or Israel as it is now.

[shinobi38]

Didn't Leon Trotsky kill tens of millions of people , mostly other Socialists, which was used by the right-wing all over the world to condemn Communism. Didn't he help to create with Lenin a one party dictatorship that killed and oppressed tens of millions of workers and peasants? And didn't Stalinism and Maoism sprout form this 'Communist' movement?

[simontherabbit]

@shinobi38 NO. You are getting Stalin and Trotsky mixed up. Yes, Trotsky was a big part of the leadership in the Soviet Union, however when Lenin died and Stalin became leader, he isolated Trotsky and banished him. When Trotsky wrote about how Stalin was crushing worker's democracy in the USSR and the brutality of his purges, Stalin had Trotsky murdered.

Maoism on the other hand, was purely Mao's creation. He was just fucking crazy.

[shinobi38]

@simontherabbit Don't patronize me, I know my 'soviet' history, Trotsky and Lenin murdered tens of thousands of other socialists and workers democracy with them.

[rs200000000000]

Hitler could have been stopped if the vatican didnt fund there war machine in exchange for the extermination of the jewish people.

people may say that bullshit but its not the germans were in a depretion in the 30's there was no way they could fund there war alone so they got help from the "vatican" or roman empire as it should be called.

[jameskeenan2]

it wasn't a 'great british' achievement moron. it was a joint effort

by all the nations of the world.

[rs200000000000]

@jameskeenan2 you cant call it a joint effort america sat on there asses for two years , it was kind of a joint affort from russia and finland but not from america , and you can say " ow yea it was america saved your ass" and all that stupid red neck bullshit but in the end im right.

[JasonDamisch]

Fuck Marxism. Fuck Socialism

[1ledo]

if there are fascists in Germany today(and there are millions) then clearly Hitler was never stopped.Millions of people still believe in what he said.WW3...its only a matter of time!

[rs200000000000]

@1ledo i woulnt say that the germans are in mass fascists today, there not the problem anymore( although there sick history does suggest they should be kept an eye on). the u.s is the real problem

[juddketchen]

Utopian movements are the problem. Of course Hitler needed to be stopped. It's tragic he wasn't stopped sooner. But what about Stalin who'd already put 20 million bodies in the ground before WW2? You should speak of revolutionaries (extreme right or left) and how their utopian programs could/should have been stopped. You say the world should be wary of fascisms potential rise again. Fair enough. But don't loose sight of the dangers possed from the extreme left. Be wary of any "man with a plan."

[rs200000000000]

@juddketchen that is so true not many people atually knew about this although it was being reported in europe and no one did anything, i think the total from the 20's to mid 40's in russia was something like 35 million, ive read about this in the past in seen pictures and i wouldnt reckomend anyone read its horrific., comunism is a brilliant idea in theory but were just not evolved enough for it to work were to cunsumed by greed

[bossendenwoodconvict]

I'm not anything wing. I'm just an ordinary British person.

[bossendenwoodconvict]

Hitler was stopped- by the British and their allies. I suppose it would be politically incorrect though to point out this Great British achievement.

[rs200000000000]

@bossendenwoodconvict it may be politically incorrect but its not factually incorrect

we won that war, the americans say it was them but they didnt even show up for two years, the british stood more or less alone against the nazi scum for two years, D day more than 50 percent british,as Churchill said "give us the tools and we'll finish the job" and we would have. obviously the americans and russians did play there parts but it was the british who played the biggest role in defeat of the nazis

[bossendenwoodconvict]

@rs200000000000 Yes, we should be proud of our achievements. How sad it is though that the world celebrated German Unity and European Unity last November (the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall) and yet we have idiots in this Country who want to divide The U.K. up.

[dominatingbudgies123]

@bossendenwoodconvict the irish famine ... why didnt the "great" british people stop this ... a million died and millions emigrated .. who every was in charge in england at this time was no better than hitler as he watched the wealthy english land owners export ships full of food grown in ireland and left the poor irish to depend on the diseased potatos ... tony blairs apology on behalf of the english for causing the death of millions was laughable ....

[bossendenwoodconvict]

@dominatingbudgies123 Well, you neglect to mention that Great Britain accepted over one million(!) Irish immigrants in the wake of that famine at a time when it's population was much lower and despte the suffering of the British, particularly the English, under the evil catholic Queen Mary. Can you imagine a Catholic country at that time welcoming 1 million Protestants? Not a chance.

[maximumsatann]

Apologies for lowering the tone but Chris has got a wicked stutter at certain points.

[jasonmhc]

why no mention of the disgracefil versaille treaty, or the munich agreement, germany back then was a hotbed of of balshavik jews, communists, all of them fighting to run germany...its too complex for you to sum up with just one piece of paper in your hand.

[Audiocodes]

When people entered the Stalinist Gulag system they never thought for a moment they were going to die and most didn't, unlike the systematic death camps of the Nazi's, which were built for the specific purpose of killing people.

[mbb05jb]

he failed to mention that communism killed 100million

[AKcommunist]

you fail to draw a distinction between Stalinist Regimes and Marxism and Socialism, don't get stuck in that rut.

[mbb05jb]

has any countries (exactly following marx's model) ever worked?

[spinozareagan]

That is a contradiction in terms, as Marx was an internationalist.

[eaglepies]

You seem to be forgetting that capitalism over the last 300 or so years has killed billions, and continues to kill people every day.

[mbb05jb]

how? apart from iraq/afghanistan, how does it kill?

[eaglepies]

By poverty!

At least in the Soviet Union no one starved or died of curable diseases because they didn't have heath insurance... Half of the world's population live on a dollar or less a day, and 1 billion people don't have access to clean drinking water, and that's entirely due to capitalism.

[Mollweidekadet]

No-one died of curable diseases or starved to death in The Soviet Union? Stalin starved 8 million Ukrainians to death, beacause they wanted to stay in their co-operative farming schemes. The far left is just as bad (if not worse) than the far right. Mao, Stalin, Mugabe, that twat in North Korea. All Socialist/Marxist/Communist. All were a bunch of cunts. Now that's a fact!

[jeanpaulfelix]

@mbb05jb

oh just shutup with this CIA Factbook grabage already....

100 million??

Capitalism has killed billions!!!

[rs200000000000]

@jeanpaulfelix to true