Sony BRAVIA 120Hz/240Hz Motionflow

[kflynt2006]

you have too much free time

[trw747]

how bout samsung Led 3d 240hz tv vs vizio 3d led 480hz tv which will have better picture quality?

[sj702]

@trw747 I've owned my share of Samsung and Sony TV's... nothing comes close to the quality of Sony. I like Samsung's customer service better though.

[trw747]

how bout if the tv has 480hz like the vizio will the motion of frame look even smoother than the 240hz tv's ?

[QuadCore120]

I wish computers will have tweening....so all videos will be smooth.

[ybrik222]

I'm watching this on Youtube on a twelve year-old computer monitor. How in the hell am I supposed to be able to tell the difference?

[osheem]

i dont see THAT big of a difference

[TheNainil]

get a sony bravia and you'll know what 240hz is

[johneymute]

sony motionflow 100hz and 200hz are real,but 100hz and 200hz pro just ads blinking licht in a hope to elimminate motion blur,bulloshit why not increasing response time.

and their new 800hz system is completely bullshit cuzz it only adds black images between existing and 2 new frames and blinking licht,with the claim we can,t sence somany frames so black frames are added,bullshit we can,t even sence 200 frames.what a fucking bullshit are they gonne fake us either too??i guess so.

[oogasuto]

120Hz and up are in my opinion only good for watching sports. The soap opera effect is fine for that, but for everything else its just too weird, and looks wrong

[magnetite2]

I see this stuff at work all the time. Looks like everything is in fast forward. That's pretty much all they advertise. I rarely see the 24p mode set on LCD/LED TV. It's always the soap opera effect. Don't want the sped up look? Buy a plasma or turn it off.

[OROSMEDIA]

BAD FOR MOVIE PLAY BACK... It Kills the 24fps look..

Great for games as shown here.... So when watching a movie and you want that cinema look, turn Motion flow off.. I turn it off.. Its terrible to see a movie and seen it in regular video speed of 30 or 60 because of the re-sampling.

[UnAmExIcO3]

THE IDEAL TV WOULD BE A 1080p PIXEL LCD DISPLAY 600HZ REFRESH RATE

[ChromeOSAccess]

Even with doctored videos they still look the same on 360p youtube vids

[keveydaking]

is 60 hz and 60fps the same thing

[TheNainil]

@keveydaking Yeah, fps is a hz. HZ measures frequency. Just terms.

[MrNullifier]

Is that the thing that ruins the "movie" look?

[DuyAnh1]

always go to the store and experience it with yourself before buying xD

don't read review online =)

[AntDX316]

the smoothness is like no other, btw motionflow has to be set to smooth and cineview to auto1 or its the same as any tv

[AntDX316]

Its true, it made GT5 on PS3 look like its going 120fps on a PC monitor with a DVI-D connection, also the games I play stay so sharp and smooth the connection is only 60hz but Huuuuge difference, motionflow is amazing

[iPojHD]

meh my 60hz is fine for me

[helgih580]

I bought my tv knowing that I wanted the original image unchanged. Extra image processing is neat but still something I don't need so I got a rather cheap full HD LCD screen that I'm quite happy with.

I showed my parents two TVs, one with motion flow and one without. They didn't see the difference so I told them to buy the one without motion flow that was bigger and also cheaper, but without the fancy effects. You should only pay for what you truly use and experience.

[MORDEKAIZ]

240 hz on LED sucks ... 120 ftw.

[mapnxyaha2k10]

when i play red dead redemption on 200hz it has a kind of watery blurred effect when i move very fast does anyone know a fix for this?

[Chocosizzles]

Anything above 60HZ looks extremely awkward and weird. I was watching King Kong on a 120HZ TV at my local Best Buy and was not impressed with the movie. It made the movie look very awkward and stiff and unrealistic. The natural eye blurs real-life motion, making unblurred action very unusual.

[paivaprod]

This is all marketing bullshit.

What you really want is to watch true 24p, just the way it was captured on film.

How do I turn of all these digital effects on my Bravia 55'' LCD?

[AZLAN210396]

I thought 240hz/120hz would ruin movies and it will make the movie look like a documentary

[subtenk0]

@AZLAN210396 SAME THING HERE! Saw this 120/240 thing with pirates of the carribean at best buy. Are you saying you still dislike it or are you liking it now?

[ronniepage]

this stuff only looks cool for sports and nature docs. for cinema...it makes it all look like a crappy soap opera. try watching Attack of the Clones in HD with 120hz. unbelievably crappy looking!!!

[subtenk0]

@ronniepage YEA! Im glad Im not the only one who thinks this. I hear its amazing for games tho

[ronniepage]

@subtenk0 oh it definitely is. its pretty awesome.

[Ncnk1]

I have a SOny bravia EX7 Barvia Engine 3 only 100 Hz motionflow but its amazing and with you ps3 i could cry

[DoctorPlay]

You can tell the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz, but i have REALLY tried to see a difference between 120Hz and 240Hz and cannot. Read up on it.

[eatvids]

To FIX the "soap opera effect" on 120hz TV. Change the settings for "AUTO MOTION PLUS" to CLEAR.. and you get clear picture without the jittery soap opera picture. :)

[PeleGiannisGalpe]

if u have a simple pc monitor u wont be able to see clearly the change...in fact the change is very big!

[calvinblinkee]

If the video is just played normally, you won't see the stutter. Really 120hz is really the most you would need....

[hTux151]

I don't see any difference

[z4crad]

i cant tell any difference, you need to check this on a lcd at 240hz to notice the movement.

[OtomoTenzi]

$ONY again with their hyped-up, fucked-up, MOTHERFUCKING BULLSHIT!!!

[MajorasWrath97]

240hz looks horrible to me. I've seen a bit of Talladega Nights on one when I went to the store, and it looked like a freaking soap opera. It makes me shudder how a Pixar movie or Avatar would look like on one.

[motd614]

@MajorasWrath97 Avatar looks like a bad ass 3D game. I love it!

[starstarstar42]

@motd614 Yeah and what about the gulf oil spill! That would be amazing.

[johneymute]

all movie,s are recorded at 24 fps, thus a 200hz tv will add 7 new frames to it,if a recording is 50 fps,the tv will add 4 new frames.

on interlaced tv,s 50hz means 50fields,on progressive tv,s 50hz means 50 frames.

since movies are 24 fps even a 50hz progressive tv must copy or add 24 new images + 2 extra to reach 50 fps.

[malteeaser101]

Don't buy a motion flow t.v get a 3D one, motion flow is what I have, when on you run on a game and the floor that's passing quickly goes all.. well I think it's all pixelated but doesn't look exactly like that, motion flow is terrible, in slow scenes good, in fast scenes or just the basic camera turning will result in massive quality loss, even so I turn on for movies but for anything else I don't, on one game I turned the camera and half of the character's face was missing!

[babystinky]

watching a movie with that type of refresh makes movies look like "video" and the CGI effects look fake imho. others disagree, but I can't see how, the motion looks unnatural for movies. Sporting events that is a different thing, that is where I like and enjoy what the higher refresh rate offers

[LightofBankai]

you have to step into best buy to experience what this video means. lcd hz is displayed differently from plasma hz. 120/240 hz lcd creates this effect called soap opera effect. the picture literally pops out. go check it out. one more thing... people buy 120/240hz lcd just to turn the feature off (yes you can turn off auto motion plus/motionflow) just so that they can get the old experience of film. In that case just get the 60hz lcd and save yourself 500 bucks.

[ninjahunted]

@LightofBankai i was blown away when i first got my tv. its a Sony

[mattador1313]

@LightofBankai your an idiot

[slaterking1000]

huh, uk has 100hz and 200hz i wonder if they go to far and both US and UK do 1200HZ??

[xNikaXteeNx]

will a TV like this enhance the CGI effects in District 9? Specifically the motion of the animted aliens and mechsuit.

[playmovingpictures]

have a few buds and you see more blur lol

[nolbertrsx]

i am looking for an lcd hdtv 40" and i need to know wich is beetter for me, specially for gaming. please somebody tell me what i need (motion flow, contrast ratio, pixel, etc. ) thankyou !!!

[Cylar29527]

so far, gaming can only do 60 hz.

[vivatotti10]

@Cylar29527 theres usially lag on tvs with 120+hz

[bone2crush]

Thats a waist of money, over 60 Hz and the human eye cant tell the difference so its worthless

[albertogaytan2003]

watch transformers 2 or terminator 2 Blu-ray with a 120hz and tell me if you can't tell the difference

[JoshB2561]

whats the difference seriously?

[albertogaytan2003]

watch it on dvd and then on blu ray ..

[LightofBankai]

you have to go into best buy to get this experience. honestly there is a big difference. 120/240hz lcd creates this thing called the soap opera effect. some people likes it some people don't. the image literally pops out from the screen dude.

[dkr56]

maybe a little difference...not much tho

its like ppl on a stall selling the exact same chocolate (ppl arnt told they are the same...one at $10 and another piece at $0.25

the ones at $10 alwas tates better

in a nutshell what im saying is...its all in the head

[albertogaytan2003]

well, the first time that i saw a tv with 120 244 hz (led).... i literally stopped my supermarket shopping only for see the smoothness of the tv ... and i didn't know nothing about the 120 240 hz technology ^^

[maroonoasis]

i can tell the difference. you just can't afford it is all.

[ShadeRx93]

lol, you have never seen a tv with 100hz or 600hz subfield. My dad have a 50" panasonic 600hz full hd tv, and i have a 32" Lg 60hz HD ready tv and i notice the diffirence directly. The 600hz is only sub field and only get used in some scenes, but it have 100hz double scan soo it is a big difference anyway.

[WRfourfiddy]

You're talking Panasonic Plasma though right?

Totally different to LCD....

[mathhenr]

That's a myth, human eye doesn't work with frames. It works by creating a continuous and unsynchronized stream of nervous impulses by each visual cell on your retina. Also, I read an article describing an study where people were able to tell the difference as high as between 400 and 420 hz.

[TyTaxiCab]

i have a sony bravia but when i play some fo my games like gta 4, bright items in the game when put in front of the night sky and moved around leaves remnances of that building. you see that its almost like slowmotion where theres a blurry trail of the building in the sky, especially when moving at high speeds.i dont know if thats a refresh rate problem. its really frustrating i really need help with it.

[lyonnaisbarca]

same here for me when i play fifa 09, and if a team is wearing a bright coloured jersey, there's a trail of blur when they move around

[peckfeckler]

thats part of the game, its called bloom lighting.

[TyTaxiCab]

that happens with gta 4, gow 2 and any other game in a dark room with some light. can i disable it! please, this dosnt happen on any other of my friends tvs, just mine.

[TURCH1]

that footage is being slowed down. when a picture is moving that fast you wont notice the difference

[Intentspunk19]

ya really do though believe it or not, at 120hz you can see the difference dunno about 240 but im assuming just the clearer

[SonyConvergineer]

The 240Hz is 240 different frames a second and only on LCDs. 600Hz is a plasma technology which refreshes the screen 600 times but only displays 60 different frames in that time.

Get the person at the store to show you chapter 21 of The Dark Knight on Blu-ray on a Sony Motionflow 240Hz set. You will like it.

[blomgren182]

@SonyConvergineer It seems like a good thing to go with big HZ. my question : Im going to buy a tv for one reason use it instead of my regular computer monitor, to play FPS games and more, moveis you know all, wich Sony 46" would you recommend to me? Dear regards

[alloriginal]

@SonyConvergineer Isn't 600Hz (sub-field, or something like that) just 60x10? I mean, on a plasma display there are 10 panels that make up a full display. Each one is refreshed 60 times a second (60Hz) All they do is multiply 60 by 10 panels to get 600hz. In reality it is nothing more than marketing lingo made up to compete with the 120hz and 240hz labels that lcd's are getting. In the end it's all pretty much the same thing.

[FlyingLaptop]

@SonyConvergineer But the human eye can only see 60 frame rates per second...

[n11lc2]

@FlyingLaptop i can tell the difference between 120fps and 60 fps on a 120hz monitor, no it's definitely not placebo

[chronofusion]

@FlyingLaptop people say human eye can only see 30 fps Now you're saying 60...please..you all dont know jack. I sure as hell dont know what the real maximum fps the human eye can actually detect through the human brain. WHO CARES. When you check it out LIVE in person and play a fps game or even watch a regular dvd movie let alone a blu ray. YOU WILL notice a positive pleasant difference. Whether or not you notice only extra 25 fps over 50 or 60. either way YOU WILL NOTICE it being smoother

[FlyingLaptop]

@chronofusion Yeah I heard it off of somewhere (Wikipedia) ^.^ And I hear it off of people who care about their game frame rate speeds. A LOT

[S0ryiu]

@SonyConvergineer I'm a fan of 240hz but 120hz looks unnatural in several instances (any resolution below full 1080p) {had to settle for 120hz because of budget issues, I'm happy with my 32ex500 but I wish it looked as good during 720p as it does with 1080p... maybe in the next three to four years 240hz will be affordable.)

[godswonders1]

should i get a 240hz hdtv or 600hz hdtv can anyone respond

[specterseal999]

600 if u can find it.

if u meant 60, go for it if u want. mine is 60 and its pretty good. from sony bravia tho.

240 is a little too advance for now. wait in a few years, then get it for a cheaper price.

[amdnovello]

different things:

sub pixel refresh at 600hz in plasmas are used to decrease the IB (u see later in this movie) for example when the image is moving maybe you cannot see 1080 lines but fewer, say 900. lcd are worse due to pixels changing position so u can see a blur (lines fuse together).

in plasma there are no pixels shifting pos so they improve the cells by making them faster.

[amdnovello]

this is where the 600hz comes. my plasma panasonic 46pz80 has the older speed 480hz like the most of the tvs around the world. the new has 600 like samsung or lg

[villibaby]

if you have the money for the 600hz hdtv of course you should buy that one

[brodycrider]

it's technically impossible to prove the difference when a person is watching this video on a 60hz screen. go to best buy, frys, or whatever electronic store near you and see the difference there. you actually be able to detect.

[amdnovello]

agree

and btw it's even sloswed down. how can i see differences when it's not played fluently?

[azaquihel]

@brodycrider hajaja you are totally right will be like bose marketing their sound system on the radio

[jjovereats]

@brodycrider Actually, it is because it was slomo-ed.

[virus790]

pues yo lo veo igual

[rushnerd]

lol this was a horrible example. If you actually just watch something as CRAZY as a 240hz set, you see the difference immediately.

[foch41]

not much difference

[davidelloyd]

I agree with miasmablk... or maybe it's my cheap PC monitor

[miasmablk]

yeah it pretty much looked the same?

[skyflows23]

i guess so, ive read so much of the diff betw a sony 100hz and 200 hz, and for more or less 500 euros, 100hz is emough. im gonna get one myself this afternoon, a 40w4500 100hz, if u need any feedback...

[shmookins]

thanks.

[XNinjaHanzoX]

is there a link for this somewhere? its kinda hard to see the difference with Youtube's framerate