Unintelligent Design

[KoenZyxYssel]

Aborted feces.... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[xXxChaosBozzxXx]

carbon dioxide kills you if you breathe it huh?

[91nikolai91]

@xXxChaosBozzxXx Yes, I am afraid you won't like it at all :p

[dblacky1977]

The beauty of science is, it's true whether you choose to believe it or not!

[theGroveMan]

I love Neil deGrasse Tyson

[Al3xX420]

what does everyone think about what happened before the big bang? i never believed that the big bang came from nothing or that it started time. i think the singularity and expansion had an effect and it wasn't the beginning of time.

[Quintinohthree]

@Al3xX420

What you described is, as far as I know, the current scientific model.

[Al3xX420]

@Quintinohthree Yeah but theres still many ideas about what happened before expansion. I think that the universe has a cycle of Big Bangs and Big Crunches. I think once Dark Matter and Dark Energy are figured out we will be able to figure it out exactly.

[Quintinohthree]

@Al3xX420

Don't ask me, ask the relevant scientists.

[Al3xX420]

@Quintinohthree I just thought it would be nice to start a conversation that wasn't an argument over creationism.

[Quintinohthree]

@Al3xX420

I can get into that but frankly I'm not up to it. I've been discussing whether mathematics is s science for the past days.

However, I don't think we can make any estimate beyond and before the big bang. The laws of physics themselves disintegrate. I can't be bothered either. Physics is completely beyond me. It fascinates me but I can hardly understand it.

[Al3xX420]

@Quintinohthree There was an indian guy on the science channel who had an equation that showed that there was a point where gravity could become repulsive. So maybe the laws of physics don't disintegrate but if they become stressed they can behave differently. That makes sense when you think about the singularity forming from a larger existence. Physics is really beyond me too but its fun to think about and I think its good for a healthy mind.

Don't you think math is a science?

[Quintinohthree]

@Al3xX420

I think math is a science but the discussion was about whether mathematics can be proven. I consider mathematics to be based in evidence and thus ultimately unprovable and theoretically falsifiable. Of course its practical unfalsifiability and testability provide us evidence of the truth of our construct of mathematics.

[Al3xX420]

@Quintinohthree Theoretically, everything is falsifiable and everything can be considered evidence. The universe itself is evidence of existence. I think the fact that you can take any problem and derive an equation that works every time is all the proof mathematics needs.

[Quintinohthree]

@Al3xX420

Agreement, it's a pain in the ass.

[librarylu]

@Al3xX420

I like Brane Theory myself. The singularity may have been caused by the collision of two incredibly thin energy sheets that could have been the remnants of other universes. Everything I can think of as "beginning" is really a continuation of something else. Maybe there was no "beginning".

[Al3xX420]

@librarylu I don't think it will ever be possible to disvover how it all started. But I think its more likely that the universe goes through a cycle of Big Bangs and Big Crunches. We have no evidence that the universe would start to collapse in on itself, but the math sort of supports it.

[AwkwardArmadillo]

Yet somehow he narrowly avoided allll that to tell us about it. What a hero. I don't know why we go outside our houses everyday, there's so much danger. *sarcasm*

[relaxonmon]

@Bluchismoon but what you didn't get was I wasn't talking about a reward after death. I was talking about a reason to live. To live knowing they served a purpose. A life without God or even acknowledgement of a god is like living with no purpose.

[bluchismoon]

@relaxonmon I disagree. People can find their purpose if they search for it(or even if they aren't really looking for it) whether they acknowledge God or not. Sorry for the late reply.

[relaxonmon]

And all of you have closed minds. Only willing to hear what you want to hear. It's futile to say but if you had an open mind you could see an understand so much more that your own selfishness.

[relaxonmon]

Why do you all hate on johnthreesixteen316. What you don't realize is that if you dont have anythig to die for, you have no reason live.

[bluchismoon]

@relaxonmon uh, that sounds so depressing. If I were any more philosophical I'd be able to counter that correctly, but I don't think having a "reward" after you die should be the only reason for you to live.

[AdamBomb669]

3:15 Aborted Feces FTW!

[johnthreesixteen316]

What Neil forgets here is that God cursed His creation after Adam and Eve sinned. This is why we have the laws of thermodynamics today. This is why everything crumbles and decays. It wasn't made that way to begin with.

[librarylu]

@johnthreesixteen316

I don't think he takes that kind of thing seriously. Science trumps myth. Have you considered joining the 21st Century?

[vicinoate21]

@johnthreesixteen316 dear sir or madam. With all due respect to the bible (which is the leading source of hatred, bigotry, mysogyny, murder, homophobia, slavery..."but he loves you" in the World) You really need to examine the EVIDENCE....there is indisputable, concrete evidence that PROVES we evolved and there was no Adam & Eve and their two sons (one of which kills the other but somehow Cain finds a wife in Nod? where did she come from?) well.....at anyrate....THINK THINK THINK!!!

[vicinoate21]

@johnthreesixteen316 and not to mention that "God" then MURDERS everyone on the planet according to the story of Noah and the Arc.....so in fact we are all related to Noah and his family? There was no world wide flood he didn't travel to Australia (which hadn't be discovered and YES they still thought the Earth was FLAT) to collect two Kangaroo's and two Koala bears!!!!!!

[bluchismoon]

@vicinoate21 Although, there are many stories across the world that mention a great flood....

[BobAndGeorg]

@johnthreesixteen316 I thought God was supposed to love us though. Says so right in the bible.

[Superdeduperben]

@johnthreesixteen316 too bad adam and that whore eve couldn't behave them selfs or else we could have those awesome perpetual motion machines!

[MacRief]

4:39 The Atheist God is watching you!

[Nosillla]

This guy

[me351]

*Morgan, lol, I meant Morgan.

[absolutepaul6690]

lets just hope im wrong in the end, because it doesnt really matter if i am, but if you guys are then that sucks. instead of getting worked up, i would much rather smoke a bowl, something thats impossible to get worked up over

[absolutepaul6690]

ok, lets agree that this is an unwinnable argument. i think we can also agree that that both creation and evoloution both take a leap of faith to beleive, because no one was there to witness how it all started. ps. i think the fact that we share the same tube for eating/drinking comical, all it does is get rid of the people to dumb to eat properly. which helps with natural selection dont you think ?

[aabb578]

@absolutepaul6690 There is no FAITH NEEDED FOR EVOLUTION!

[MorganMarvinson]

@absolutepaul6690 Actually sharing the same tube allows us to clear things from the lungs--continuously throughout the day.

[MorganMarvinson]

"Stupid design," eh? See if you live without them, and then we'll talk.

[me351]

@MorganMarvinson Completely missing the point.

[MorganMarvinson]

@me351 "Completely missing the point." I've been around many adolescents who complain about how bad their parents are until they become parents and see how hard the job is. I've been around many people who complain about working conditions until they are promoted to leadership and see what their bosses were up against.

It's easy to say, "it could have been done better" when you haven't a clue how to do it better yourself. Oh, right the optic nerve that gets in the way." So you can't read this?

[me351]

@MorganMarvinson

Again, completely missing the point. However, I can't really be bothered to explain this shit to you, so stay sassy, Morgan.

[MorganMarvinson]

@me351 Just because you can think of a feature for your car that wasn't included or because you can think of a different way a feature in your car might have been designed doesn't take away from the fact that your car was intelligently designed. It wasn't put together by a band of banana-loving tree climbers. (And even if it were, it would have been "designed" by an organism with intelligence--i.e. intelligently designed.)

I have been bothered to explain. The question is: do you understand?

[me351]

@MorganMarvinson

*sigh*

Neil deGrasse Tyson is not claiming that we were designed badly, he's saying we weren't designed.

The title 'Unintelligent Design' is a send-off of 'Intelligent Design', you have missed the point he's trying to make; that it's selfish to think all this was made for you. YOU. WERE. NOT. DESIGNED.

Basically, he's saying "If we were designed, why are we so insignificant in the universe, why is our design flawed, and-what the fuck Marcus I couldn't be bothered to explain.

[MorganMarvinson]

@me351 "*sigh* Neil deGrasse Tyson is not claiming that we were designed badly, he's saying we weren't designed." Right, that's why he jumps into a presentation he describes as a "tirade on stupid design," using expressions like "inefficient," "how blind we are," and "all simply stupid design."

"I'm not asking ..." he starts to say, but then realizes he is making an appeal to the Designer. Tyson can be excused for his momentary slip. It's hard to maintain the evolutionary facade.

[me351]

@MorganMarvinson

Tyson has argued that intelligent design, thwarts the advance of scientific knowledge. He has written and broadcast extensively about his views of religion, spirituality and the spirituality of science itself including the essays 'The Perimeter of Ignorance' and 'Holy Wars', both appearing in the Natural History magazine and the 2006 Beyond Belief workshop.

C'mon Morgan, just accept that I know more on this, Tyson doesn't believe in God, there's no argument here.

[MorganMarvinson]

@me351 Sure, you likely know more about Tyson than I do, but copying and pasting directly from Wikipedia isn't all that amazing.This being said, Tyson did start to make an appeal to the Designer. For to ask for a particular design would be to address one who could do something about it.

[MacRief]

@MorganMarvinson  "banana-loving tree climbers"? Dude, that's just racist.

[charlieapeshit]

@absolutepaul6690 well he did come up with eating and drinking out of different holes prevent huge number of deaths each year by choking... so... he's one up on god so far.

[xsilvernx]

aww wheres the rest of the video =[

[AfterFauve001]

John Cleese said it best

=-M-vnmejwXo

[myguitardidyermom12]

crockodile...apparently English skills are not a prerequisite to becoming a scientist.

[freethinker923]

Did he say aborted feces??? 3:12

[Dieselspot]

Crockodile? Fail.

[adkinsjr]

@absolutepaul6690

Could we design something better? How about a solar system without astroids and comets flying around? That might help. The 'designer' could have easily left those out of the design.

[Aaberg123]

@absolutepaul6690

Really Paul? That's "thinking outside the box". Why don't you try it, but with a little less egocentric view: We're here by chance and the apparent non-existence of a deity really means that there is no deity.

To say "God did it" is the antithesis to "thinking outside the box".

[fatsomamacheese]

I love most of Tyson's stuff, but here i have to question his point.

If there is some being that created the universe, it works and we are here. If it's by random chance, it works and we are here.

There is no "ill-design" if it was truly designed...as it still works, and we are still here. There is no "ill-design" if it was NOT designed because it just is the way it is.

[putasensura]

god is sadic, that is the only way i can relate all the pain and his omnipotence over us.

[JoninMax]

About the design of the human body, the Bible says we were made in God's image. I like that this guy thinks it's so easy to come up with a better design even though his own design depends on knowledge and an understanding of God's original design. By the way, he came to this brilliant conclusion using the parts (senses, mind, etc.) of the crappy human body. Also pretty cool how he knows that people would "never choke" if they had two throats.

He should stick with astronomy.

[librarylu]

Astronomers know a lot more about the universe than Biblical literalists do.

If there was any "plan" or "design" to the universe it would appear we were something of an afterthought.

[JoninMax]

Your claim is that if the universe was planned, we are just an afterthought. That may be true, since our original purposes were only to "rule... over all the earth" (Gen 1:26) and be pleasing to God. I think the rest of the universe is uninhabitable because it wasn't made for us. We are not an afterthought, but intended for what some might think is a small purpose given the vastness of the universe.

[librarylu]

My claim is that the universe wasn't planned.

[JoninMax]

Uh, I was just rewording and confirming the claim you made earlier that says "if there was any 'plan' or 'design' to the universe it would appear we were something of an afterthought." You did say that, right?

You think, and probably think you know, that the universe wasn't planned which is a different claim than the other.

Anyways, my claim is that the universe was planned and that there really isn't any fully salient argument against it. Also, Tyson's arguments here are not so hot.

[librarylu]

My phrase was conditional -"if -then". I don't think there was any thought to it at all.

I think Tyson's arguments are spot on - and funny to boot. I think this one's my favorite clip:

youtube . com/watch?v=zEP50dxfR

[JoninMax]

A conditional is a logical claim, not just something that doesn't require thought. If I said "If the universe was not designed, then the earth would not be able to sustain human life" (which I'm not saying), I'm sure you would want to address it. This is a dumb issue. Any claim can be questioned. If you don't want certain things said to be questioned, don't put it out there...

Oh, and your video link does not work, so try to post it again please!

[librarylu]

Sorry. Looks like two letters got cut off. Take out the spaces:

youtube . com/watch?v=zEP50dxfRAw

If that doesn't work put Neil deGrasse Tyson: Bible in Classroom in the YouTube search box. It will be the first video to come up.

[scott01019]

Well having a claim that has no argument against it is great; just as long as you have an argument that supports your claim. But you don't; so your claim is worthless garbage. Just like my claim that their are invisible floating ninja elephants all around us is garbage. And what do you means his arguments are not so hot? He shows how in most of the universe life would die instantly; how is that not a good argument against intelligent design?

[anode505]

@JoninMax

which proves God is NOT perfect. He made us to stroke His ego. Isn't vanity one of the 7 deadly sins?

*any* fault removes the perfect title.

The first 4-6 commandments are all about stroking his ego/vanity.

And we aren't perfect So he intentionally made a bad product? thats a bad work ethic, another fault.

Not for nothing, there isn't anything living on this mud ball that is perfect.

[Nordoisthebest]

*Astrophysicists

[TopSpeedCGT]

Well....you can't really deny that it's a better idea to have a separate body parts to handle two of the things that are so vital to our survival (breathing and eating). I mean have you ever heard of a car where the fuel tank and air intake share the same route to the engine?! It's just a bad design because there is so much potential for something to go wrong.

[rebirth3X]

I don't want to eat and breath out of different holes - I know which hole he's talking out of though!!

[itskelvinkkc]

LOL. God is suppose to be perfect. But he's very stupid, not a quality of being perfect ... Sigh ... Christianity is a cult.

[librarylu]

He was pretty good in a time when the earth had four corners and water above the firmament (it made the sky blue).

[itskelvinkkc]

HAHHAHA! VERY TRUE!

[CheesyPoophs]

3:15 :ROFL!!!!! "Aborted Feces"!!!!

[milca1223]

Wow! Why he doesn't stop to think if we, humans, had to do something with all the problems and deseases man-created!?!?

People have the free will to believe in whatever they want to believe to make them happy. If this man is happy playing the game of whos fault is it, so be it!

[zweg2]

Yeah. This dude needs to look at the positive. He should be happy that our tiny earth, which is impossibly insignificant compared to the vastness of space, can support life. He should understand that life exceedingly rare elsewhere in the universe, and be grateful that he is even alive.

[Tyler5794]

"He should understand that life exceedingly rare elsewhere in the universe, and be grateful that he is even alive".

I'd imagine he is. He's just commenting on the ridiculousness of thinking the universe was designed for life.

[zweg2]

Nobody believes the universe was designed for life. I'm pretty sure that Christians believe the earth was designed for life.

[librarylu]

Huh?

[zweg2]

Christians, like other religions, look at how Earth supports life, not how the universe can kill it.

[librarylu]

You said "Nobody believes the universe was designed for life" and then that you're pretty sure Christians believe that.

I wouldn't stereotype Christians. Fundamentalists believe everything was created in six days six thousand years ago while Catholics accept evolution because of the overwhelming scientific evidence for it - quite a range there. - but there does seem to be a belief that we're the special creation and we messed it up. I wouldn't turn to religion to explain the universe.

[zweg2]

Basically what I'm trying to say, is you don't have to believe in a God to believe in an afterlife. Why not believe in an afterlife? You have nothing to lose.

[jolim1]

What do you have to gain? If you think it requires to do certain things (like kill infidels, subjugate women, avoid pork, eat tiger testicles), then you end up making poor moral and economic decisions. But if it just gives you inner peace, go ahead and believe that Harry Potter invented dragon-flavored ice-cream or whatever you want. Inner peace is good if it doesn't require you to harm others.

[zweg2]

No sir. I knew someone would make an assumption that I believed there were hurdles to get to heaven.

I'm a spiritualist, which is closer to Bhuddism, and I don't believe in a god, rather I believe in spirituality and that an after life is open to every living being.

[optiuum67]

In that case why bother believing in an afterlife at all? If its open regardless then I have nothing to gain.

[sticksquash]

What do I have to lose? My dignity and freedom.

[zweg2]

How does believing in life after death take away your freedom and dignity? Please elaborate?

[marzto]

Bhuddism is just as ridiculous as any other religion.

[zweg2]

How?

[zweg2]

You don't understand at all. An afterlife isn't related to a God at all. I can't stand atheist douche bags that assume that...

[sticksquash]

Well, 3/4ths of the religions in this world want you to respect God and worship him, or you get eternal damnation. If I do believe in whatever religion, I either chose an after-life with a jerk or reincarnation. In the top 3 religions, I can only worship one God or else I face damnation as well.

[zweg2]

Look, an afterlife isn't related to a God at all. Study Bhuddism. They don't believe in a God. They believe in spirituality. You don't have to worship anything.

[zweg2]

Damn this guy really looks at the glass half empty...

[AlexanderDGraham]

Neil deGrasse Tyson is my Hero!!!

[Wantedcriminal]

And yet you're here to say this.

[jeremyhillaryboobphd]

@AmasNevi: "@AmasNevi" I think I made it quite clear. but don't get me wrong, I am not laughing at you as a person, just your comment. And I am not laughing at the divine presence in the universe, I am merely laughing at religion as religion and divinity are not related in the slightest. Science is much more supportive of my view of "god".

[jeremyhillaryboobphd]

@AmasNevi BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA

see you in heaven mate lol

[librarylu]

How about some evidence there even is an afterlife and a maker who would punish those who seek to learn about this amazing universe we live in? ID deserves all the mockery it can get.

[zweg2]

Well you have to look at the after life, not in terms of a God that doles out punishment, rather in terms of the afterlife not being a place literally made out of silver and gold. There was a book that was released recently by Dinesh D'Souza, who used scientific evidence to suggest that there is in fact an after life, but not in the form of what the Bible teaches.

I suggest you read it, and stop being narrow minded, and refute the after life as a crock of religious shit.

[jackb08]

The point, good sirs, is that believing in God on the basis of how perfectly designed we and the world around us are is a fallacy. I don't really think he's trying to disprove God with this video, just show that believing in God because of how "right" everything (like I've heard a lot of proponents of intelligent design say ex. Ray Comfort)is doesn't really make sense.

[leer33]

Exactly my good man.

[JoshuaZ84]

Hmm:

1. This is a fallen universe.

2. The guy assumes that an intelligent God would not deliberately make life outside earth uninhabitable and/or create catastrophes to punish the human race.

3. No, I didn't bother watching the whole thing.

[DannyAces]

You, sir, are retarded.

[librarylu]

Fallen universe? That's right- blame it on Eve.

[xcv1001]

this guy is stupidest guy i have ever seeen!!

[librarylu]

Hm. I wonder how he got his PhD? Did you understand a word he said?

[Xoxaloacetate]

same with you

[adelaidedj]

don't you wish that he was your high school science teacher lol

[xephyr1000]

@adelaidedj Too bad Neil's neuro-engrams can't be cloned and injected into Science Teachers. :)

[biainrussell]

haha that was great. i love how he's funny even on a serious matter : )

[Archonel]

does life have to be efficient in order to be good?... so if something is inefficient, is it bad? ...

The universe may not be here for us, because its nature and yes... nature is a threat too. But what a horrible world view to miss a forest to look at a dying tree...

[DeJach]

The video is a comment that if there is a god, it's certainly not an intelligent or benevolent one. Many atheists actually appreciate the world more, because they know and understand the things they look at, not just worship them for being mysterious.

[Archonel]

i am a believer... but i'm aso very scientific and i get that all he said were facts. But still... we have do admit we do not know everything. I believe in a God and nature that is partially known, partially mysterious. It doesnt have to be exclusive...

[DeJach]

Of course we don't know everything, and there's a compelling argument that absolute certainty is unattainable, but this does not imply knowledge-in-general is unattainable or that all beliefs are on equal footing. One important thing to realize is that your uncertainty exists only within you; reality is never uncertain.

[Archonel]

I agree totally... and yet i still believe. Because if we define God, or if we say he does this and does that, and acts so and so... we are making God very human. of course we cannot totally escape this, since we are human and have limited understanding, but i do not see it as grounds to do away with God...

'reality is never uncertain and uncertainty exists only within us' - totally true. Which is why we have wrong notions of God and why we say God is unchangeable (immutable) and always loving

[Megatrousers]

If it's mysterious, then why do you assume that a god exists?

[Archonel]

If it's mysterious, why would one assume god doesn't?

believing there is no god - in my opinion - would put us in a position of power... believing there is a God, allows one for doubt, disbelief, critical thinking, and realising we are insignificant.

saying there is no god - again in my opinion - i think we'd be shutting off any other new info and not letting our minds develop. if we allow god to exist in our minds, we can

[Archonel]

reject Him as notion, but only up to the point where we say 'i do not know' and not 'i know that he does not exist'

[SolidArch]

Ha, this guy fails at life.

[librarylu]

This guy?

Do you mean Dr. Neil Tyson, astrophysicist, who is the director of the Hayden Planetarium in New York? That sounds pretty successful to me.

[hlcom19]

Burn!

[mwakerman1]

Narrow view of electromagnetic spectrum "...how blind we are". Judging by your tie, some of us are more blind than others.

[migduh]

milti-cellular life.

[t0n1cer]

he is 100% right! there is no such thing as intelligent design.

[svaught32]

Ok I couldn't stop laughing on this one. lol

[Morrakiu]

"Aborted feces"

Nooooooooo! Mental image!

[librarylu]

Hi, stranger. Where ya been?

[ugotjacked]

fetus