Je pense que tout commence a l éducation. lES enfants doivent apprendre les 2 langues. Je suis francophone du Canada, si j allais habiter en Belgique, j apprendrais le flammand. hate wont resolve.Let s get togheter for holysake
Oh my god, life is getting so tough for this french-speaker living on flemish soil, yet refusing to acknowledge that fact. I tell you what, french-speakers do excell at playing victimised on international broadcast. I almost feel like I have to give our french masters more then the annual 12 billion € flemish taxmoney.
Being an Englishman looking in on this, I have the impression that French is the dominant language in Belgium with Flemish becoming a minority. It seems as though French is more 'classy' and 'respectable'.
Not the case actually. Belgium is split into three regions, Wallonia, Flanders, and Brussels. Wallonia is the French speaking one and it is the poorer region. 40% of the population of Belgium is French -speaking and 60% Dutch. While your comment may have been true in the late 1800s and early 1900s, it's no longer the case in Belgium.
Not the case actually. Belgium is split into three regions, Wallonia, Flanders, and Brussels. Wallonia is the French speaking one and it is the poorer region. 40% of the population of Belgium is French -speaking and 60% Dutch. While your comment may have been true in the late 1800s and early 1900s, it's no longer the case in Belgium.
Mon dieu,mais quelle connerie de vouloir séparer notre pays en deux...
Vous n'êtes même pas capable de vivre ensemble, et on dit que la race humaine a évoluée?! Ce qui fait l'importance de la Belgique, c'est ses TROIS régions! Grandissez un peu, et qu'on nous foute de VRAIS politiciens qui ne cherchent pas à détruire notre pays ! La Belgique ce sont des BELGES = francophones+néerlandophones+germanophones !!!
Of course we disagree, you will have rights on BXL when you will live there. Just take your independance and leave us alone. We hear the same bullshit for years but it seems you guys are a bunch of cowards (affraid to loose all french speaking area on your so-called territory maybe?). Btw, respect is not something you can force, only something you can earn, and you obviously failed for that since decades.
Your small country called Belgium is not very important in this world. What would You like to achive by division this country into two smaller pieces?
waarom spreekt iedereen hier engels?? Dit is een Belgische kwestie en het zal buitenlanders worst wezen...
Ik begrijp niet hoe je tegen verfransing kan zijn. Nu ja je kan er tegen zijn, maar je kan het niet stoppen. De vernederlandsing van de Lange Landen kon toch ook nooit gestopt worden....
Het gaat gewoon om de politiek die mensen opzet tegen elkaar. Hoe kan je nu zo materialistisch zijn. Een beetje meer solidariteit op de wereld zou geen kwaad kunnen...
@Allichan01 ik denk helelmaal niet "o we kunnen het toch niet stoppen". en jouw einde van de wereld zal alleen maar naderen als mensen zo materialistisch blijven omgaan met elkaar en enkel willen verder werken met elkaar als ze winst maken en er zelf beter van worden.want dat is het Probleem tussen Vlamingen en walen. zolang ze er beiden wel bij varen, gaat alles goed. maar als er even ergens problemen zijn, dan laten we de ander maar in de steek of zo?????
@jodonalds dit gaat niet om "materialisme" dit gaat over cultuur.
"als er even ergens problemen zijn, dan laten we de ander maar in de steek of zo?????" nee zo zit het helemaal niet want de vlamingen hebben in de eerste plaats al nooit akkoord gegaan met het zogezegde 'verbond' dat belgie heet
De Walen en Vlamingen welvaren niet, de Vlamingen welvaren en de Walen hebben hier in ons 180 jarige bestaan van geprofiteerd.
@Allichan01 nu overdrijf je wat. België was daar wel mee akkoord met een onafhankelijkheid, ook Vlaanderen uit wrok tegen Nederland weliswaar. In het begin van België was Wallonië welvarender, en toen was daar ook wel onafhankelijkheidsstreven. en nu is dat hier. en precies dat is toch wel een teken dat als het beter gaat met de een en minder met de andere, dat je ze gewoon laat stikken. want zo is het duidelijk wel. en cultuur is dikke zever...
oké mijn fout dat is inderdaad niet correct, maar sinds de industriele revolutie zijn er al disputen tussen vlamingen en walen, dit hele incident is niet in 10 jaar ontstaan hoor
dit is al eventjes bezig, dus je moet niet denken dat het een kwestie is van laten stikken omdat de vlamingen er niet genoeg profijt uit hebben
en cultuur is zeker een belangrijke factor, onze talen zijn TOTAAL verschillend en de mentaliteit ook blijkbaar want de walen krijgen het geld liever dan te werken
@Allichan01 ... Een West-Vlaming en een Antwerpenaar. staan op cultureel vlak veel verder van elkaar dan een Vlaming en een Waal. Dus cultuur is absoltuur geen doorslaggevend argument. je kan toch perfect met twee culturen in één land leven. ik ken geen enkel Europees land met één homogene cultuur. Dus het is duidelijkj dat het hier gewoon om geld gaat, hoe hard je dat ook gaat ontkennen.
@Allichan01 inderdaad dat ga ik niet tegenspreken. er zijn daar gewoon meer werklozen. dat is een feit. Maar zou je dan niet beter de wortels van het probleem aanpakken? We blijven één land en ik denk dat we er samen moeten uitkomen. Noord- en Zuid-Frankrijk hebben ook een andere cultuur en werkloosheid. oké hun taal is wel dezelfde dat is waar.
@jodonalds blijkbaar is taal altijd wel een probleem geweest want alleen in vlaanderen staan borden zowel in het nederlands als frans, en in wallonie is dit niet het geval
@Allichan01 Dat is wel wat overdreven. Enkel rond te taalgrens staan borden tweetalig aangeduid. En dat zowel in Vlaanderen als Wallonië. Ik weet niet hoe het daar in Leuven zit. zowel aan de taalgrens in West-Vlaanderen als die in Henegouwen staan borden tweetalig. Natuurlijk weet ik niet hoe het elders gaat. Maar als het hier lukt... waarom dan elders niet?
@Allichan01 ... het lijkt misschien een dom voorbeeld, maar toch. Ik woon zelf in Kortrijk op 10 km van de Franse grens en op 7 km van Wallonië. Ik Kortrijk komen veel Fransen een dagje winkelen.in de randgemeenten werken veel of franstaligen (Kooigem) Ik ga elk weekend en spreek Frans en waar zij kunnen slaan ze een woordje Nederlands tussen.
En degene die meest gaan klagen over Walen zijn dan de mensen die er het vest vanaf wonen; ik ben dus overtuigd dat de politiek ons tegen elkaar opzet.
@jodonalds ik woon in leuven, ook heel dichtbij de grens en hier komen zeer veel franstaligen, ik ken de problemen, mijn grootouders hebben nog geprotesteerd voor leuven vlaams, pas op ik zeg niet dat de franstaligen geen nederlands kunnen, maar het wilt niet zeggen dat er veel franstaligen in een gemeente of dorpje wonen dat dat dorpje opeens een franstalig gedeelte wordt, dit kan niet volgens mij
@Allichan01 dat zeg ik ook heleaal niet. Maar verfransing kan je niet tegen gaan en dat is toch niet duivels of zo? Het is onze schuld omdat Vlamingener niet meer willen wonen dat Walen er gaan wonen en waardoor gemeenten verfransen. Neem nu de Brusselse rand, daar zijn gemeenten die 85 % Franstalig zijn. En dan zouden die niet op franstalige politici mogen stemmen.
Ik denk dat het wat moeilijk doen is langs Vlaamse kant. we zijn gewoon te trost en te vlug op onze tenen getrapt.
The movie is wrong about saying that "Flemish" is a language - it isn't. It's the term used for "Belgian" Dutch in general. The official language in Linkebeek is Dutch, not Flemish. There is even no such thing as "the" flemish language.
@MrBondke zie de jaloerse Nederlander. en als ik je vertel dat jullie Nederlands eigenlijk ontstaan is in het BElgische Brabant, dan doe je waarschijnlijk alsof je van niets weet en zal je dat ten stelligste ontkenning... dus eigenlijk is Hollands gewoon Vlaams. dus eigenlijk zouden jullie Flemish spreken en geen dutch...
zoek wat bete op. natuurlijk zijn dat geen dingen die je in Nederlandse schoolboeken zal vinden... stel je voor zeg.
I like your very open-minded point of view of the situation... And no this is not "all Flemish territory" this is Belgian territory which it should be bilingual at least. (It is not yet the case due to the ineffectiveness of our politicians)
im french but i don't want to repress the other languages that exists in my nation, including flemish , that is speaked by 80.000 people that i think they feel french , but their language is flemish , just the same with ppl that consider itself flemish but they speak french, and i consider that both flemish and and wallons and german speakers should learn the three official languages of this great country that is belgium , dutch, french , and german
Those French people think they can live in Flandern and don´t have to learn Dutch. What do they think when we are going to live in the French part and don´t learn their language?
I really felt very bad last year when I heard that Belgium having a big problems with both community.I speak dutch but I love Belgium and hate to be divide.Long Live BELGIUM.
@0LuckyInternetUser0 german and alsatian , and 700000 people speak alsatian in Elsass-Lothringen , as far as i know , standard germand has never been speaked in Elsass, except in Strassburg
this journalist clearly knows nothing about the delicate and complex situation... for a start Flemish is not the official language, DUTCH is the official language! Flemish is a collective term for many, many different dialect forms across northern Belgium.
This is typical biased, anti-Flemish reporting by a Brit who knows nothing. In Walonia Flemings must speak French. In Flanders French-speakers should learn to speak Dutch. It really is that simple. The cultural arrogance that presumes that French speakers do not have to adopt to another land's culture and language is ridiculous. Belgie barst! Leve Vlaanderen! Long live the Flemish Republic!
Les Francophones de Linkebeek nont évidemment nullement lintention de devenir Flamands, dune part parce quils sont trop majoritaires dans leur commune et trop proches de leur base (c'est-à-dire de Bruxelles, grande ville très majoritairement francophone elle aussi), et dautre part parce quils nont plus aucune sympathie pour le peuple flamand qui ne cesse de les vilipender, de les calomnier et de les persécuter.
'de les vilipender, de les calomnier et de les persécuter.' You still don't understand do you. There is a language barrier since 1963! For the flemish this is the result of 133 years of struggling for their 'inferior' language. In those years over 1 million flemish moved to Wallonia because of famine. They ALL adjusted to speaking french. Van Cauwenberg, Onkelinx, Reynders etc. Flemish names in case you didn't notice. If you come to flanders you speak flemish, otherwise stay in your shithole.
@TorsadeDePointes ; I understand, but at least one argument is incorrect : It used to be 100% Flemish. So, how do you explain that "majoritairement francophone", at the time when 5% was french-speaking (LOOONG time ago) ? I'll give you a clue (and you said it yourself) : "aucune sympathie pour le peuple flamand". Basically, you dont care about Flemish people, even in Flanders. And then you call us Nazis ?
I don't get what's the problem with just going bi-lingual?
I live in miami and was taught spanish up to when i was 4. When i was 4 i went to school here and everything was new, i had never spoken a word of english. I can now speak english and spanish fluently. Mind you spanish is not the language of America and most businesses here in miami (because we have many immigrants, my family included) only speak spanish and although spanish is not the official language, it's needed to survive here.
Schools here even have mandatory spanish classes for elementary school and the school i attended for elementary became a bi lingual magnet school after i graduated. All the kids in my kindergarten class that only spoke english spoke spanish fluently when we graduated.
Linkebeek...yes, that does sound very French. I'm actually surprised they haven't turned it into Linquebeque or something similarly horrible (yet), like they've done to many other formerly Flemish communities.
Their arrogance is truly unsurpassed. But be warned, my francophone 'friends': any further attempts to annex our territory in your endless quest for Lebensraum will be met with extreme violence. This is Flanders. We are ready.
The main difference between the two communities is that the french speaking people don't mind if you speak an other language. Why should we mind about that? Speaking various languages is nowadays an asset.
I have no hesitation speaking French in a Francophone area - But when they come over to Flemish speaking areas - why must we bend over backwards for them? Have you not forgotten the history of discrimination of the Flemish language thru-out most of our history? They are quick to play victim and forget that they too were holding the knife at some point.
@NeoFalcon69 Well I remember that the ones that wanted French to be the official language where only people from bourgeoisie... mainly living in Antwerp Ghent Bruges and so on... Wallon was replaced by French as well it was forbidden to speak it at school. We should do the same than Luxembourg... Trilingual (Bilingual at least) country. Our politicians should create laws in that way. School in Nl/Fr, Universities in Fr/Nl. At least we won't have communication problems anymore.
Yeah the government can throw in laws to encourage multilingualism in the country but in the end it's really up to the people to take up such an opportunity.
@NeoFalcon69 True. That's why I studied in various countries in Europe and America. Btw, they should do bilingual TV programs (news). Where I live for children at school there is an immersion program. All classes are given in the other language from 12 to 18 which is already a nice step. Anyway our politicians are so far from our galaxy that i don't think they will be mentally able to do such laws. They just need their nappy to be changed right now...
I was at a party in Dublin the other day, and met a Belgian guy who could not speak English so I tried speaking Dutch to him. He DID NOT speak a word of Dutch!!! What the hell, I could not communicate with him in German, Dutch and English! Really nice guy and all that, but why does he not speak the other language of his country? I speak a few languages, and not even languages of countries I have lived in. While I disagree with these kids learning in Flemish, they should be BILINGUAL!
It's not a question of which language you think sounds better or who has an accent when speaking which language...this video talks of a cultural problem in a small country that is threatened to be destroyed because of this stupid language barrier. It's bi-lingual and everyone should speak both languages, period. However, if the community is francophone, who cares if it's in Flanders? It's in Belgium, and Belgium is bi-lingual. The people should be able to speak either language in any pub. office
It's not simple - there is simply more to this. The French speakers claim of "discrimination" why don't they see the historical forms of discrimination against the Flemish.
Do you think I enjoy having my taxes sent to the South to support people who refuses to acknowledge my language, culture as equals to theirs?
Do you think living here and having my local shop keeper refusing to address me at his shop because I spoke French with a "Flemish" accent? And yes the last example is true.
Being English and being able to speak some French, could I be accused of speaking French with a "Flemish" accent? Both Flemish and English are West Germanic languages.
To be honest I am extremely unsure - but I would say it's entirely depend on your knowledge of French and also the ability to adapt your accent to a French one.
No Isochest, the Dutch spoken in Flanders is not as similar to English as the Dutch spoken in the Netherlands in terms of pronunciation. For example, Dutchmen will pronounce R the same way English people, whereas our R is more neutral, like in German.
Thanks to both you Bitterswoon (for pointing out language differences) and to NeoFalcon69, but regarding NeoFalcon69's experience it sounds as if this French speaker was being nasty. I don't get much chance to practise French much: I speak Portuguese much better but that's another story.
Portuguese, eh? Me, I'm learning Spanish right now. I've gotten to the point where I can read it without too much difficulties, but don't ask me to speak it fluently.
NeoFalcon: would just like to point out that we speak Dutch, not Flemish. The designation of 'Flemish' as a language is a trick perpetrated by francophones to make our language seem insignificant and localised. Other than that, it's just plain factually wrong; objectively speaking, there is no such thing as a Flemish language.
I'm happy referring to your language as Dutch. How do you regard Afrikaans? I visited South Africa in 1994 and woke up thinking I was in Holland listening to the TV:-) Cape Town (Kaapstad) had a very European feeling then. I felt really at home.
Well it's a tricky issue - the Dutch say it's Dutch.
The Flemish would say it's Flemish. Flemish has it's unique words and the accent is different from Dutch.
Afrikaans LOL it's basically 16th Century Dutch with an infusion of African, German, English and even French. It's a totally different language in it's down right.
if it's spoken by a frenchie then yeah.. it sounds horrible. you guys suck at pretty much every language other than french... take for example the french accent while speaking english.. hilarious.
I'm Italian and I prefear to speak dutch instead of french even in Brussel,the language is horrible but netherlandish people are gentle and king if I ask them something...never heard about the rough manners of the french?
I love italia , you have amazing girls! ^^. In France we have a lot of tourist , so we cant be nice with all of them it's impossible, we are human... And sometimes the asked stupid question , like "where is the metro?" omg ! ...
Ce sont les Francophones qui sont humiliés : ils sont 85% et c'est le Flamand qui devrait s'imposer ? C'est ridicule. Annexons la Belgique à la France, ce sera plus simple !
which daily humiliation? you live in a country where 60% of the population is dutch-speaking. Flemish have the keys of everything in Belgium: prime minister, foreign affair, army, railway network, every investment is made in flanders. What do you want more? we are not going to lick your dirty farmers ass just to make you feel respected
2) Respect for the territory of the Flemish Region and for the Flemish Community in Brussels. Besides, Brussels is also the capital of Flanders, not only of the French community.
3) A gradual stop of the the transfers to Wallonia.
4) A tougher immigration and securtity policy. Now everything is blocked by the PS
5) The fundamental right to develop ourselves. Do you want to have more information onpoint5
Je bent geen belg, als je je echt belg zou voelen zou je teminste volwaardig nederlands kunnen spreken. En idd, separatisten barsten belgie, dat is ons doel!
Leterme is opgegroeid als Vlaming, zit in het Vlaams parlement, is dus volkomen Vlaams. En het belangrijkste: Hij spreekt vloeiend Nederlands, wat jij niet kan. (en nu moet je niet beginnen over de ouders van Leterme, dat weet ik, wijsneus)
its just stupid to say its absurd, just because 85% speaks french. This is flemish territory, if i go for example to england with my whole family. Many people of my family got ellected in that town, etc. And then we demand that the language in that town, is dutch? will the english people accept this? I dont think so, so why would the Flemish people?
First of all, Flanders is not a country. There are 3 official languages in Belgium: Dutch, French and German.
Linkebeek is just located in the Brussels suburbs. It has been part of the Flemish language zone since 1961. Most French speaking people who live there were already there before this imaginary frontier. So, why should they suddenly change language? Would you this to happen to you?
And of course, most of them do speak average dutch. But of course, to some eyes, that still isn't enough!
Flanders can be seen as a country, because first of all, it almost is, second, we have our own culture and language, that is different of that of the walloons. Second, if u wonna go back in time, lets go back in time early enough. Lets go back to medival ages. You'll see that people spoke Dutch in that region, even more south they spoke Dutch. It all changed around the period 'belgium' was made, to hold 2 countries from attacking each other again!!! So...suddenly change?
If you would have gone to Linkebeek in the middle ages, you would have only found marshland and practically nobody living there. Now, due to urban sprawl (mainly French speaking) during these last centuries, it has become practically only French speaking.
The Flemish culture and art is not exclusively linked to the Dutch language. Many French speaking architects participated in the building of Flanders.
Most Belgians are a mixture of Flemish and Walloon. You are just being manipulated by hatred
we kunnen het mss verder in het nderlands doen. Wrm zouden we alleen moeten kijken naar Linkebeek, alsof linkebeek heel Brussel moet voorstellen. Ik zeg, laten we terug gaan in de tijd naar die streek, waar er ffs dorpen waren, met of zonder linkebeek! Dat was Vlaanderen, spraken ze Nederlands (dialect), en was er de Vlaamse cultuur. Doe normaal jongen, en accepteer de feiten. Wrm denk je dat fransen meededen in bijv het bouwen? we waren bezet, verdomme, leer je geschiedenis es.
En nog iets, belgen zijn een mengeling van Vlamingen en Walen? ja idd, Vlamingen en walen vormen samen belgie. Niet 'most' belgians, maar allemaal vormen ze samen belgie. Toch voelen de meeste zich nog altijd Vlaming, want echte belgen bestaan niet, en zullen nooit bestaan ook! Er zijn te veel verschillen.
or media isn't the only calling anyone fascists, nazi, etc... it's the francophone media doing the twisting & skewing, stirring up hatred for anything flemish. a good way to avoid the real issues, which they know they'd lose.
flanders as a country???? les flamands ont tjs étés les esclaves des francophones...vs essayez de vous vengez de votre inferiorité, vs travaillez car il n´y a que ca que vs savez faire..et pour cause, vs avez de l´entrainement grace aux usines francophones ;)
lol, als jij frans praat, laat mij dan es nederlands praten, jullie walen verstaan er toch niks van. 1: jullie hebben geen geld om het te leren, 2: jullie zijn te lui om het te leren, 3: jullie zijn te dom om het te leren. Vlaanderen zou het goed doen als land, maar dat weten jullie walen niet met een iq van 70. 12miljard euro per jaar blijft in Vlaamse handen, en dan moeten wij jullie ocmw nie meer betalen. Hah, arme stakkers, sterven gaan jullie.
"Ik ken het Nederlands", typte je enkele posts gelezen. Als dit nederlands is dan ben ik de paus. Je moet zeggen: jij bent zielig , en niet zielig jij bent, domme waal. ffs zeg, jullie hebben ook altijd hulp van Vlamingen nodig e, grow up!
6million of the 10million inhabitants speek Dutch, and u come here and tell us: oh, french is the official language of belgium. Well, wrong dumboy walloon! Flanders has always been a country fighting for independency, and no1 ever could change our language nor culture. And certainly not that dum, homeless, not working walloons, on wich we have all power. Without the Flemish people, ur artard country sinks deeper in misery than it already is!
1: learn to spell, or just learn your english, retard, its learN!
2: u mentioned French as official language in belgium. Well u stupid, ur wrong. Its maybe official in wallonia, but not in Flanders. And if its not in Flanders, then u cant speak of belgium, artard!
French is a international language, and how much Englishmen or German speaks another language that their native tongue? Not much, I can say it to you. Obviously when one has a language like native tongue little spoken in the world, one is obliged to speak others. Still frustration poor thing....
I can tell u, more than 25million people over the whole world speak Dutch. Now you come tell those millions of people they speak a "little spoken" language in the world? You are wrong dude, lol.
But i can see that u dont stick to the subject we were talking about, and u seek outways out of this discussion, witch means u dont know anything anymore to win this discussion.
u think that because u r obviously not very smart. There are thousands of language over the whole world. Dutch is in the top hundred. That means: its a big language, u moron. You walloons really have to do more research, u wont always get all the help of us Flemings.
but 17.000.000.000 is quite a lot for belgium... flanders pays that much to francoland every year, that's more than w germany does to e germany, and still your part of the country looks like it belongs behind iron curtain. if you wish for this to stop, face the issues, stop it with the lies, drop the victim attitude, acknowledge your past, create your own prosperity (as the flemish have done, despite francophone leeching & meddling), and stop trying to frenhufy more flemish regions. simple.
leer het verschil tussen dialect en taal... vlaanderen kent vele dialecten, net zoals elke andere taal, maar onze algemene taal is nederlands (wat voortvloeit uit vlaams, brabants & hollands)
more ignorance... when the flemish were poorer than the french was when flanders becamepart of belgium... belgium has a rich history and was one of the wealthiest regions in europe during the middle-ages, that changed only due to foreign invaders and francophone suppression.
i am belgian, doesn't mean i have to agree with the way things are going... if all we ever get from the francophones is a 'non' followed with more demands/threats then all this is left to do is to split up the country... i have nothing against francophones, but the fact that we pay for their superiority complex is getting a tad tiresome..
but it's good that you don't disagree with the rest of my comment, because you know it's the truth.
it's not me it's you no it's you , its not me .... yeah right.. a superiority complex hu...so what ?you mean you have an inferiority one? or maybe you have a superiority one since you've explaining the favourable position of flanders throughout history and then the walloons have an inferior one....oh i got it : a pissing contest...
Take care ! The harbour of Anvers will be soon weakened by the harbour of Rotterdam and the Dutch ! You don't seem to realise that your stupid linguistic problems are weakening the entire country. It will be too late ! Belgium United !
quote @delamotteh : "The harbour of Anvers will be soon weakened by the harbour of Rotterdam and the Dutch!"
For the record: the harbour of ANTWERP is still growing, as is Rotterdams. As a matter of fact, they're growing towards each other and it has simply become a matter of time before the two meet, fuse and become world's largest harbour (I'm talking about decades here, though).
Also, it's YOUR people that still live of OUR hard-earned money. Separation is inevitable with shit like this.
officiellement 500.000 millions de personnes parlent la langue de Molière..mais c´est beaucoup plus..aux etats unis par ex les americains sont dingue du francais! ils ne savent meme pas que le flamand se parle en Belgique..arretez de vs sentir inferieurs (meme si ns savons TOUS que vs l´êtes ;) c´est bien pour cela que vs bossez autant...il faut bien compenser...
Yes, and? ok 500000 speekers, so what? Yes, french is a big language, but how come? because of the colonisation. Thats the only reason. I say that 25 million speekers of Dutch, Dutch is a big language in the world. No1 ever would argue about these FACTS dumbo french artard noobs.
hehe lol, i laugh at u gay french. Remember 1302? those people, poor as in the movie Daans, destroyed your trained army of knights, like they were fighting kids. We drowned u French in Flemish water, and we enjoyed it. At the Brugse metten, we killed every French citizen in Bruges, Dude, fun that it was. And now, we gonna sepparate from wallonia, and they gonna die. as a matter of fact, Flanders is 1 of the richest countries in the world, far above france you stupid.
oh i suppose you would recognize me then though i'm french ............with a very distinctiv flemish type thanks to flemish grand parents.! Dutch is a wonderful language as well as french, and i am french by birth and yes one must show respect even and maybe above all by principle, its no competition , these are two languages , two cultures. wondering if one his superior to the other is simply childish if not retarded.
it's not the flemish that have a superiority complex... look at belgian history and the treatment of the flemish as 2nd rank citizens, not even being able to get an education in their own language for so long... and the constant slanders in the francophone media, the billions of € that wallonia gets from flanders without ever getting any basic respect in return...
if you move to flanders, learn dutch, it's a simple as that... we're done handing over territory and money to elitist paupers.
If the Flemish are moving to Walloon, they have to adept. They have to speak French, nobody would listen to them or would care of they speak Dutch.
Holland1994D 7 months ago
Je pense que tout commence a l éducation. lES enfants doivent apprendre les 2 langues. Je suis francophone du Canada, si j allais habiter en Belgique, j apprendrais le flammand. hate wont resolve.Let s get togheter for holysake
AmaoNoBolso 9 months ago
@AmaoNoBolso Poor you, you don't speak dutch right?
While almost every Fleman speak French?
The majority is Dutch speaking, how is it still possible that the Walloon have still so much power?
Holland1994D 7 months ago
Oh my god, life is getting so tough for this french-speaker living on flemish soil, yet refusing to acknowledge that fact. I tell you what, french-speakers do excell at playing victimised on international broadcast. I almost feel like I have to give our french masters more then the annual 12 billion € flemish taxmoney.
boarderviking 10 months ago
bhv is al meer dan 50 jaar een probleem dus waarom zouden ze het nu nog kunnen oplossen?
bhv is more than 50 years a problem so way are they gonna solved now?
REACTIE VAN EEN VLAMING DIE AL DA GEZEVER BEU IS
REACTION FROM A FLANDER THAT GOT ENOUGH FROM THIS
legotrucks1 1 year ago
Being an Englishman looking in on this, I have the impression that French is the dominant language in Belgium with Flemish becoming a minority. It seems as though French is more 'classy' and 'respectable'.
pulsengine 1 year ago
@pulsengine
Not the case actually. Belgium is split into three regions, Wallonia, Flanders, and Brussels. Wallonia is the French speaking one and it is the poorer region. 40% of the population of Belgium is French -speaking and 60% Dutch. While your comment may have been true in the late 1800s and early 1900s, it's no longer the case in Belgium.
clgardes 11 months ago
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@pulsengine
Not the case actually. Belgium is split into three regions, Wallonia, Flanders, and Brussels. Wallonia is the French speaking one and it is the poorer region. 40% of the population of Belgium is French -speaking and 60% Dutch. While your comment may have been true in the late 1800s and early 1900s, it's no longer the case in Belgium.
clgardes 11 months ago
toutes francophones : si tu adaptes et parler néérlandais a flandres, il n y a pas un problème
c'est ça simple
Nickvanhou 1 year ago
o my god!, leert gewoon Frans, is het zo moeilijk, jeesuzz!
misteranonymous12345 1 year ago
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Nickvanhou 1 year ago
Mon dieu,mais quelle connerie de vouloir séparer notre pays en deux...
Vous n'êtes même pas capable de vivre ensemble, et on dit que la race humaine a évoluée?! Ce qui fait l'importance de la Belgique, c'est ses TROIS régions! Grandissez un peu, et qu'on nous foute de VRAIS politiciens qui ne cherchent pas à détruire notre pays ! La Belgique ce sont des BELGES = francophones+néerlandophones+germanophones !!!
antonnnboy 1 year ago
Of course we disagree, you will have rights on BXL when you will live there. Just take your independance and leave us alone. We hear the same bullshit for years but it seems you guys are a bunch of cowards (affraid to loose all french speaking area on your so-called territory maybe?). Btw, respect is not something you can force, only something you can earn, and you obviously failed for that since decades.
Oowh 1 year ago
Your small country called Belgium is not very important in this world. What would You like to achive by division this country into two smaller pieces?
Restitutek 1 year ago
waarom spreekt iedereen hier engels?? Dit is een Belgische kwestie en het zal buitenlanders worst wezen...
Ik begrijp niet hoe je tegen verfransing kan zijn. Nu ja je kan er tegen zijn, maar je kan het niet stoppen. De vernederlandsing van de Lange Landen kon toch ook nooit gestopt worden....
Het gaat gewoon om de politiek die mensen opzet tegen elkaar. Hoe kan je nu zo materialistisch zijn. Een beetje meer solidariteit op de wereld zou geen kwaad kunnen...
jodonalds 1 year ago
@jodonalds als iedereen zo zou denken van "o we kunnen het toch niet stoppen" dan weten we dat het einde van de wereld nadert
Allichan01 1 year ago
@Allichan01 ik denk helelmaal niet "o we kunnen het toch niet stoppen". en jouw einde van de wereld zal alleen maar naderen als mensen zo materialistisch blijven omgaan met elkaar en enkel willen verder werken met elkaar als ze winst maken en er zelf beter van worden.want dat is het Probleem tussen Vlamingen en walen. zolang ze er beiden wel bij varen, gaat alles goed. maar als er even ergens problemen zijn, dan laten we de ander maar in de steek of zo?????
jodonalds 1 year ago
@jodonalds dit gaat niet om "materialisme" dit gaat over cultuur.
"als er even ergens problemen zijn, dan laten we de ander maar in de steek of zo?????" nee zo zit het helemaal niet want de vlamingen hebben in de eerste plaats al nooit akkoord gegaan met het zogezegde 'verbond' dat belgie heet
De Walen en Vlamingen welvaren niet, de Vlamingen welvaren en de Walen hebben hier in ons 180 jarige bestaan van geprofiteerd.
Allichan01 1 year ago
@Allichan01 nu overdrijf je wat. België was daar wel mee akkoord met een onafhankelijkheid, ook Vlaanderen uit wrok tegen Nederland weliswaar. In het begin van België was Wallonië welvarender, en toen was daar ook wel onafhankelijkheidsstreven. en nu is dat hier. en precies dat is toch wel een teken dat als het beter gaat met de een en minder met de andere, dat je ze gewoon laat stikken. want zo is het duidelijk wel. en cultuur is dikke zever...
jodonalds 1 year ago
@jodonalds
oké mijn fout dat is inderdaad niet correct, maar sinds de industriele revolutie zijn er al disputen tussen vlamingen en walen, dit hele incident is niet in 10 jaar ontstaan hoor
dit is al eventjes bezig, dus je moet niet denken dat het een kwestie is van laten stikken omdat de vlamingen er niet genoeg profijt uit hebben
en cultuur is zeker een belangrijke factor, onze talen zijn TOTAAL verschillend en de mentaliteit ook blijkbaar want de walen krijgen het geld liever dan te werken
Allichan01 1 year ago
@Allichan01 ... Een West-Vlaming en een Antwerpenaar. staan op cultureel vlak veel verder van elkaar dan een Vlaming en een Waal. Dus cultuur is absoltuur geen doorslaggevend argument. je kan toch perfect met twee culturen in één land leven. ik ken geen enkel Europees land met één homogene cultuur. Dus het is duidelijkj dat het hier gewoon om geld gaat, hoe hard je dat ook gaat ontkennen.
jodonalds 1 year ago
@jodonalds en nu ni zeggen dat da ni waar is hé? oké het is waar doppers heb je overal maar in wallonie ligt dit aantal wel veel hoger dan bij ons
Allichan01 1 year ago
@Allichan01 inderdaad dat ga ik niet tegenspreken. er zijn daar gewoon meer werklozen. dat is een feit. Maar zou je dan niet beter de wortels van het probleem aanpakken? We blijven één land en ik denk dat we er samen moeten uitkomen. Noord- en Zuid-Frankrijk hebben ook een andere cultuur en werkloosheid. oké hun taal is wel dezelfde dat is waar.
Maar is taal nu zo'n probleem? ...
jodonalds 1 year ago
@jodonalds blijkbaar is taal altijd wel een probleem geweest want alleen in vlaanderen staan borden zowel in het nederlands als frans, en in wallonie is dit niet het geval
Allichan01 1 year ago
@Allichan01 Dat is wel wat overdreven. Enkel rond te taalgrens staan borden tweetalig aangeduid. En dat zowel in Vlaanderen als Wallonië. Ik weet niet hoe het daar in Leuven zit. zowel aan de taalgrens in West-Vlaanderen als die in Henegouwen staan borden tweetalig. Natuurlijk weet ik niet hoe het elders gaat. Maar als het hier lukt... waarom dan elders niet?
jodonalds 1 year ago
@Allichan01 ... het lijkt misschien een dom voorbeeld, maar toch. Ik woon zelf in Kortrijk op 10 km van de Franse grens en op 7 km van Wallonië. Ik Kortrijk komen veel Fransen een dagje winkelen.in de randgemeenten werken veel of franstaligen (Kooigem) Ik ga elk weekend en spreek Frans en waar zij kunnen slaan ze een woordje Nederlands tussen.
En degene die meest gaan klagen over Walen zijn dan de mensen die er het vest vanaf wonen; ik ben dus overtuigd dat de politiek ons tegen elkaar opzet.
jodonalds 1 year ago
@jodonalds ik woon in leuven, ook heel dichtbij de grens en hier komen zeer veel franstaligen, ik ken de problemen, mijn grootouders hebben nog geprotesteerd voor leuven vlaams, pas op ik zeg niet dat de franstaligen geen nederlands kunnen, maar het wilt niet zeggen dat er veel franstaligen in een gemeente of dorpje wonen dat dat dorpje opeens een franstalig gedeelte wordt, dit kan niet volgens mij
Allichan01 1 year ago
@Allichan01 dat zeg ik ook heleaal niet. Maar verfransing kan je niet tegen gaan en dat is toch niet duivels of zo? Het is onze schuld omdat Vlamingener niet meer willen wonen dat Walen er gaan wonen en waardoor gemeenten verfransen. Neem nu de Brusselse rand, daar zijn gemeenten die 85 % Franstalig zijn. En dan zouden die niet op franstalige politici mogen stemmen.
Ik denk dat het wat moeilijk doen is langs Vlaamse kant. we zijn gewoon te trost en te vlug op onze tenen getrapt.
jodonalds 1 year ago
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TheBestAmerican 1 year ago
@TheBestAmerican eerst zagen over Nederlands of Frans... dus spreke we maar engels... yeah right... meneer de neonazi
jodonalds 1 year ago
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@jodonalds WE ALL SPEAK ENGLISH HERE because it's the language of your MASTER!!!
AMERICA is your MASTER!!!
You all, belgians, are gona turn AMERICANS because you're gonna begin a war there and we WILL COME as we did in fuckin' TAITI!!!
THOUSAND OF MARINES UP YOUR ASS
THE WORLD BELONG TO US
RECOGNIZE AND WORSHIP YOUR MASTER
TheBestAmerican 1 year ago
The movie is wrong about saying that "Flemish" is a language - it isn't. It's the term used for "Belgian" Dutch in general. The official language in Linkebeek is Dutch, not Flemish. There is even no such thing as "the" flemish language.
MrBondke 1 year ago
@MrBondke zie de jaloerse Nederlander. en als ik je vertel dat jullie Nederlands eigenlijk ontstaan is in het BElgische Brabant, dan doe je waarschijnlijk alsof je van niets weet en zal je dat ten stelligste ontkenning... dus eigenlijk is Hollands gewoon Vlaams. dus eigenlijk zouden jullie Flemish spreken en geen dutch...
zoek wat bete op. natuurlijk zijn dat geen dingen die je in Nederlandse schoolboeken zal vinden... stel je voor zeg.
jodonalds 1 year ago
"Bilingualism is less and less accepted in practice???"
If the French speakers WERE bilingual, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today.
(quod not)
Most Flemings have always been ready, willing and able to speak French...
to their detriment!
hr987654 1 year ago
This is all Flemish territory, end of story, accept it or move.
dideleda 1 year ago 7
@dideleda
I like your very open-minded point of view of the situation...
Adri88MXBR 1 year ago
@dideleda
I like your very open-minded point of view of the situation... And no this is not "all Flemish territory" this is Belgian territory which it should be bilingual at least. (It is not yet the case due to the ineffectiveness of our politicians)
Adri88MXBR 1 year ago
@dideleda This is Belgian territory which is to say bilingual!!!!!!!!!11
gutentags565 1 year ago
The Belgian should look to Switzerland, they manage to coexist with 4 languages!
sushi777300 1 year ago
@sushi777300 No, thank you.
dideleda 1 year ago
who said that dutch/flemish is not official language in belgium ? it is
cmpFRANCE93 1 year ago 2
im french but i don't want to repress the other languages that exists in my nation, including flemish , that is speaked by 80.000 people that i think they feel french , but their language is flemish , just the same with ppl that consider itself flemish but they speak french, and i consider that both flemish and and wallons and german speakers should learn the three official languages of this great country that is belgium , dutch, french , and german
cmpFRANCE93 1 year ago
Those French people think they can live in Flandern and don´t have to learn Dutch. What do they think when we are going to live in the French part and don´t learn their language?
ReadeRomke 1 year ago 2
I really felt very bad last year when I heard that Belgium having a big problems with both community.I speak dutch but I love Belgium and hate to be divide.Long Live BELGIUM.
tadorjee 1 year ago
Its about the same in Elsass-Lothringen! The names are German but they speak French!!
0LuckyInternetUser0 2 years ago
@0LuckyInternetUser0 german and alsatian , and 700000 people speak alsatian in Elsass-Lothringen , as far as i know , standard germand has never been speaked in Elsass, except in Strassburg
cmpFRANCE93 1 year ago
@0LuckyInternetUser0
alsatian is a german dialect dumbass!
0LuckyInternetUser0 1 year ago
this journalist clearly knows nothing about the delicate and complex situation... for a start Flemish is not the official language, DUTCH is the official language! Flemish is a collective term for many, many different dialect forms across northern Belgium.
markimark03 2 years ago
This is typical biased, anti-Flemish reporting by a Brit who knows nothing. In Walonia Flemings must speak French. In Flanders French-speakers should learn to speak Dutch. It really is that simple. The cultural arrogance that presumes that French speakers do not have to adopt to another land's culture and language is ridiculous. Belgie barst! Leve Vlaanderen! Long live the Flemish Republic!
LeoHendrick 2 years ago
Les Francophones de Linkebeek nont évidemment nullement lintention de devenir Flamands, dune part parce quils sont trop majoritaires dans leur commune et trop proches de leur base (c'est-à-dire de Bruxelles, grande ville très majoritairement francophone elle aussi), et dautre part parce quils nont plus aucune sympathie pour le peuple flamand qui ne cesse de les vilipender, de les calomnier et de les persécuter.
TorsadeDePointes 2 years ago 2
'de les vilipender, de les calomnier et de les persécuter.' You still don't understand do you. There is a language barrier since 1963! For the flemish this is the result of 133 years of struggling for their 'inferior' language. In those years over 1 million flemish moved to Wallonia because of famine. They ALL adjusted to speaking french. Van Cauwenberg, Onkelinx, Reynders etc. Flemish names in case you didn't notice. If you come to flanders you speak flemish, otherwise stay in your shithole.
boarderviking 2 years ago
@TorsadeDePointes ; I understand, but at least one argument is incorrect : It used to be 100% Flemish. So, how do you explain that "majoritairement francophone", at the time when 5% was french-speaking (LOOONG time ago) ? I'll give you a clue (and you said it yourself) : "aucune sympathie pour le peuple flamand". Basically, you dont care about Flemish people, even in Flanders. And then you call us Nazis ?
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boarderviking 2 years ago
I'm Flemish, and i got to thank for showin' your support towards the Flemish population in Linkebeek.
It's great to see that we have supporters for our cause outside our borders!
Ratte1488 2 years ago
I want to see the end of it.
elberto9999 2 years ago
I don't get what's the problem with just going bi-lingual?
I live in miami and was taught spanish up to when i was 4. When i was 4 i went to school here and everything was new, i had never spoken a word of english. I can now speak english and spanish fluently. Mind you spanish is not the language of America and most businesses here in miami (because we have many immigrants, my family included) only speak spanish and although spanish is not the official language, it's needed to survive here.
seth1230 2 years ago
Schools here even have mandatory spanish classes for elementary school and the school i attended for elementary became a bi lingual magnet school after i graduated. All the kids in my kindergarten class that only spoke english spoke spanish fluently when we graduated.
seth1230 2 years ago
okay so you don't hate it if people that speak french in belgium don't do an effort for speaking dutch??
actually the capitol city of belgium was only about 50-years ago became french, before it was also a flemish city like leuven and gent.
dl658 2 years ago
I'm Dutch and i speak 4 languages but i refuse to learn french.
Greetings to my flemish brothers and sisters.
DennisKayleigh 2 years ago
Linkebeek...yes, that does sound very French. I'm actually surprised they haven't turned it into Linquebeque or something similarly horrible (yet), like they've done to many other formerly Flemish communities.
Their arrogance is truly unsurpassed. But be warned, my francophone 'friends': any further attempts to annex our territory in your endless quest for Lebensraum will be met with extreme violence. This is Flanders. We are ready.
Bitterswoon 2 years ago
I am extremely sadden by the Frenchisation of the Flemish towns.
Don't get me wrong - I don't mind French speakers in my town but they should adapt to one's surroundings not impose their language/culture on us.
How would they feel if I went to their town and refuse to address them in French and expert the town to bend over backwards?
NeoFalcon69 2 years ago 11
@NeoFalcon69
The main difference between the two communities is that the french speaking people don't mind if you speak an other language. Why should we mind about that? Speaking various languages is nowadays an asset.
Adri88MXBR 1 year ago
@Adri88MXBR
I have no hesitation speaking French in a Francophone area - But when they come over to Flemish speaking areas - why must we bend over backwards for them? Have you not forgotten the history of discrimination of the Flemish language thru-out most of our history? They are quick to play victim and forget that they too were holding the knife at some point.
NeoFalcon69 1 year ago
@NeoFalcon69 Well I remember that the ones that wanted French to be the official language where only people from bourgeoisie... mainly living in Antwerp Ghent Bruges and so on... Wallon was replaced by French as well it was forbidden to speak it at school. We should do the same than Luxembourg... Trilingual (Bilingual at least) country. Our politicians should create laws in that way. School in Nl/Fr, Universities in Fr/Nl. At least we won't have communication problems anymore.
Adri88MXBR 9 months ago
@Adri88MXBR
Yeah the government can throw in laws to encourage multilingualism in the country but in the end it's really up to the people to take up such an opportunity.
NeoFalcon69 9 months ago
@NeoFalcon69 True. That's why I studied in various countries in Europe and America. Btw, they should do bilingual TV programs (news). Where I live for children at school there is an immersion program. All classes are given in the other language from 12 to 18 which is already a nice step. Anyway our politicians are so far from our galaxy that i don't think they will be mentally able to do such laws. They just need their nappy to be changed right now...
Adri88MXBR 9 months ago
@Adri88MXBR
Whoever is in power is put there by the people of Belgium and it paints an obvious picture that we are deeply divided politically.
NeoFalcon69 9 months ago
Linkebeek sounds better.
Isochest 2 years ago
There r 200 milion francophones in the world and from those 200milion 70milion live in developed areas....
French isn't as big as they think they are. And Flamish is just Dutch (its 100% the same language) only some regional differences.
My parents are francophones.. I went to a flamish (dutch) school... I know what am talking about
Francophones have a problem with their own failure so they always represent themself bigger than they actually are.
Wiskylson 2 years ago
I was at a party in Dublin the other day, and met a Belgian guy who could not speak English so I tried speaking Dutch to him. He DID NOT speak a word of Dutch!!! What the hell, I could not communicate with him in German, Dutch and English! Really nice guy and all that, but why does he not speak the other language of his country? I speak a few languages, and not even languages of countries I have lived in. While I disagree with these kids learning in Flemish, they should be BILINGUAL!
happyness01 2 years ago 2
La Wallonie française? A quoi bon...
C'est historiquement n'importe quoi...
CitoyenneDAucunPays 2 years ago
It's not a question of which language you think sounds better or who has an accent when speaking which language...this video talks of a cultural problem in a small country that is threatened to be destroyed because of this stupid language barrier. It's bi-lingual and everyone should speak both languages, period. However, if the community is francophone, who cares if it's in Flanders? It's in Belgium, and Belgium is bi-lingual. The people should be able to speak either language in any pub. office
itolduwnicame08 3 years ago
It's not simple - there is simply more to this. The French speakers claim of "discrimination" why don't they see the historical forms of discrimination against the Flemish.
Do you think I enjoy having my taxes sent to the South to support people who refuses to acknowledge my language, culture as equals to theirs?
Do you think living here and having my local shop keeper refusing to address me at his shop because I spoke French with a "Flemish" accent? And yes the last example is true.
NeoFalcon69 3 years ago 3
Being English and being able to speak some French, could I be accused of speaking French with a "Flemish" accent? Both Flemish and English are West Germanic languages.
Isochest 2 years ago
To be honest I am extremely unsure - but I would say it's entirely depend on your knowledge of French and also the ability to adapt your accent to a French one.
NeoFalcon69 2 years ago
No Isochest, the Dutch spoken in Flanders is not as similar to English as the Dutch spoken in the Netherlands in terms of pronunciation. For example, Dutchmen will pronounce R the same way English people, whereas our R is more neutral, like in German.
And NeoFalcon, yes, you are right.
Bitterswoon 2 years ago
Thanks to both you Bitterswoon (for pointing out language differences) and to NeoFalcon69, but regarding NeoFalcon69's experience it sounds as if this French speaker was being nasty. I don't get much chance to practise French much: I speak Portuguese much better but that's another story.
Isochest 2 years ago
Yeah some French speakers and but I must add that this is a minority. They can be extremely rude often reverting to insults.
We often would converse in a "neutral language" like German or English.
NeoFalcon69 2 years ago
Portuguese, eh? Me, I'm learning Spanish right now. I've gotten to the point where I can read it without too much difficulties, but don't ask me to speak it fluently.
NeoFalcon: would just like to point out that we speak Dutch, not Flemish. The designation of 'Flemish' as a language is a trick perpetrated by francophones to make our language seem insignificant and localised. Other than that, it's just plain factually wrong; objectively speaking, there is no such thing as a Flemish language.
Bitterswoon 2 years ago
I'm happy referring to your language as Dutch. How do you regard Afrikaans? I visited South Africa in 1994 and woke up thinking I was in Holland listening to the TV:-) Cape Town (Kaapstad) had a very European feeling then. I felt really at home.
Isochest 2 years ago
Well it's a tricky issue - the Dutch say it's Dutch.
The Flemish would say it's Flemish. Flemish has it's unique words and the accent is different from Dutch.
Afrikaans LOL it's basically 16th Century Dutch with an infusion of African, German, English and even French. It's a totally different language in it's down right.
NeoFalcon69 2 years ago
Yes - Dutch in the North is Rhotic
Flemish R's is non rhotic which is similar to German spoken in the North.
NeoFalcon69 2 years ago
French speakers are less likely to know Flemish than us Flemish knowing French.
NeoFalcon69 2 years ago
Le neerlandais, cela sonne comme de la merde, la preuve, personne dans le monde ne va chanter une chanson dans cette langue horrible!
Cela veut tout dire!
cacaaleau 3 years ago
pas d'accord!!
markimark03 3 years ago
jacques brel?
Rdeckerks 3 years ago
je suis francais, mais merde, le hollandais est une langue horrible !
Frenchkisssss 3 years ago
if it's spoken by a frenchie then yeah.. it sounds horrible. you guys suck at pretty much every language other than french... take for example the french accent while speaking english.. hilarious.
Demarchist 3 years ago
lol you right. I have a fucking stupid french accent
Frenchkisssss 3 years ago
I'm Italian and I prefear to speak dutch instead of french even in Brussel,the language is horrible but netherlandish people are gentle and king if I ask them something...never heard about the rough manners of the french?
callimacos 3 years ago
I love italia , you have amazing girls! ^^. In France we have a lot of tourist , so we cant be nice with all of them it's impossible, we are human... And sometimes the asked stupid question , like "where is the metro?" omg ! ...
Frenchkisssss 3 years ago
Amsterdam is smaller and with a higher percentage of tourist in his small historical center...but they're gentle!
I'm afraid that people in paris are just unpolite
callimacos 3 years ago
I had no trouble whatsoever in Paris. Granted I have only been once.
itolduwnicame08 3 years ago
I live in Belgium...and French is an important language...but Wallonie(French speaking part of Belgium)wants that Belgium belongs to FRance
iownage4youi 3 years ago
It is a shame,only French speaking people were being interviewed.The reporters didn't speak about the daily humilinations suffered by the Flemish...
jens1989 3 years ago 8
Ce sont les Francophones qui sont humiliés : ils sont 85% et c'est le Flamand qui devrait s'imposer ? C'est ridicule. Annexons la Belgique à la France, ce sera plus simple !
Jeremie1987 3 years ago
100% d'accord de annexer la "partie" d'origine francophone à la France. Enfin !!!!!!
La Flandre peut survivre seule, les autres auront besoin de la France pour survivre.
Chango57 3 years ago
@jens1989
which daily humiliation? you live in a country where 60% of the population is dutch-speaking. Flemish have the keys of everything in Belgium: prime minister, foreign affair, army, railway network, every investment is made in flanders. What do you want more? we are not going to lick your dirty farmers ass just to make you feel respected
Oowh 1 year ago
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jens1989 1 year ago
@Oowh
What do the Flemish want:
1) Respect for our language,identity and culture
2) Respect for the territory of the Flemish Region and for the Flemish Community in Brussels. Besides, Brussels is also the capital of Flanders, not only of the French community.
3) A gradual stop of the the transfers to Wallonia.
4) A tougher immigration and securtity policy. Now everything is blocked by the PS
5) The fundamental right to develop ourselves. Do you want to have more information onpoint5
jens1989 1 year ago
@jens1989
For point five: i would like to refer to the 5 resolutions of the Flemish parliament and the Octopus report of the Flemish Minister-President Peeters.
6) An own voice in the international community, the EU
7) More power in the Brussels Region and respect for the language rights
This is the end of the my list, if the French speakers disagree, we should demand our independance
jens1989 1 year ago
@Oowh : You don't have to lick it, kissing is enough.
jens1989 11 months ago
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@Oowh : You don't have to lick it, kissing is enough.
jens1989 11 months ago
België barst!!!!!!!!
Belgiumguy99 3 years ago 2
en gene lijm te vinden..
schuimbekje 3 years ago
België moet stoppen met bestaan: Vlaanderen onafhankelijk en Wallonie bij Frankrijk??
Belgiumguy99 3 years ago 2
lamentable...
virgi681 3 years ago
I'm not walloon I'm belgian little intolerant boy !
Separatisten BARST ja !!!!!!!!
Jacques8022 3 years ago
Leer eerst nederlands domme waal dat je bent.
Je bent geen belg, als je je echt belg zou voelen zou je teminste volwaardig nederlands kunnen spreken. En idd, separatisten barsten belgie, dat is ons doel!
codenaam49 3 years ago
Ik ken het Nederlands, en ik ben niet Waals maar Belg!Mijn famillië is "mixte"!
Als je iets niet kent zwijg je er beter over!
Jacques8022 3 years ago
Als je heel de tijd frans praat reken ik je bij de walen, belgen bestaan niet voor mij, domme waal. gemixt of nie gemixt.
codenaam49 3 years ago
Dus Leterme is niet vlaams...
Jacques8022 3 years ago
Leterme is opgegroeid als Vlaming, zit in het Vlaams parlement, is dus volkomen Vlaams. En het belangrijkste: Hij spreekt vloeiend Nederlands, wat jij niet kan. (en nu moet je niet beginnen over de ouders van Leterme, dat weet ik, wijsneus)
codenaam49 3 years ago
"Als je iets niet kent zwijg je er beter over!"
idd, dus zwijg al maar..
schuimbekje 3 years ago
its just stupid to say its absurd, just because 85% speaks french. This is flemish territory, if i go for example to england with my whole family. Many people of my family got ellected in that town, etc. And then we demand that the language in that town, is dutch? will the english people accept this? I dont think so, so why would the Flemish people?
codenaam49 3 years ago 3
het nieuwsblad 11th July:
Only 30 % for a independant Flanders !!!
The truth !!!
Jacques8022 3 years ago
why is this a reply on what I said? Did I said something about the number of people wanting Flanders independant?
(btw: I heard (not so long ago) more than half of Flemish people want indepency) (probably another survey)
but this doestn mean french speaking people have to demand things in a country that isnt theirs!
codenaam49 3 years ago
First of all, Flanders is not a country. There are 3 official languages in Belgium: Dutch, French and German.
Linkebeek is just located in the Brussels suburbs. It has been part of the Flemish language zone since 1961. Most French speaking people who live there were already there before this imaginary frontier. So, why should they suddenly change language? Would you this to happen to you?
And of course, most of them do speak average dutch. But of course, to some eyes, that still isn't enough!
Oldfleming 3 years ago
Flanders can be seen as a country, because first of all, it almost is, second, we have our own culture and language, that is different of that of the walloons. Second, if u wonna go back in time, lets go back in time early enough. Lets go back to medival ages. You'll see that people spoke Dutch in that region, even more south they spoke Dutch. It all changed around the period 'belgium' was made, to hold 2 countries from attacking each other again!!! So...suddenly change?
codenaam49 3 years ago
If you would have gone to Linkebeek in the middle ages, you would have only found marshland and practically nobody living there. Now, due to urban sprawl (mainly French speaking) during these last centuries, it has become practically only French speaking.
The Flemish culture and art is not exclusively linked to the Dutch language. Many French speaking architects participated in the building of Flanders.
Most Belgians are a mixture of Flemish and Walloon. You are just being manipulated by hatred
Oldfleming 3 years ago
we kunnen het mss verder in het nderlands doen. Wrm zouden we alleen moeten kijken naar Linkebeek, alsof linkebeek heel Brussel moet voorstellen. Ik zeg, laten we terug gaan in de tijd naar die streek, waar er ffs dorpen waren, met of zonder linkebeek! Dat was Vlaanderen, spraken ze Nederlands (dialect), en was er de Vlaamse cultuur. Doe normaal jongen, en accepteer de feiten. Wrm denk je dat fransen meededen in bijv het bouwen? we waren bezet, verdomme, leer je geschiedenis es.
codenaam49 3 years ago
En nog iets, belgen zijn een mengeling van Vlamingen en Walen? ja idd, Vlamingen en walen vormen samen belgie. Niet 'most' belgians, maar allemaal vormen ze samen belgie. Toch voelen de meeste zich nog altijd Vlaming, want echte belgen bestaan niet, en zullen nooit bestaan ook! Er zijn te veel verschillen.
codenaam49 3 years ago
"You are just being manipulated by hatred"
or media isn't the only calling anyone fascists, nazi, etc... it's the francophone media doing the twisting & skewing, stirring up hatred for anything flemish. a good way to avoid the real issues, which they know they'd lose.
schuimbekje 3 years ago
flanders as a country???? les flamands ont tjs étés les esclaves des francophones...vs essayez de vous vengez de votre inferiorité, vs travaillez car il n´y a que ca que vs savez faire..et pour cause, vs avez de l´entrainement grace aux usines francophones ;)
virgi681 3 years ago
lol, als jij frans praat, laat mij dan es nederlands praten, jullie walen verstaan er toch niks van. 1: jullie hebben geen geld om het te leren, 2: jullie zijn te lui om het te leren, 3: jullie zijn te dom om het te leren. Vlaanderen zou het goed doen als land, maar dat weten jullie walen niet met een iq van 70. 12miljard euro per jaar blijft in Vlaamse handen, en dan moeten wij jullie ocmw nie meer betalen. Hah, arme stakkers, sterven gaan jullie.
codenaam49 3 years ago
No comment for your racist remarks...
Jacques8022 3 years ago
ja ik ben racist, en 1 die jullie walen nog het meest van al haat ook. daar kun je idd geen commentaar op geven.
codenaam49 3 years ago
Zielig jij bent ....
Jacques8022 3 years ago
En dat zegt de man die telkens Vlamingen racisten noemt en zelf een filmpje van The Confederate states of America op zijn account heeft staan.
Hagenees87 3 years ago 2
Celà n'a rien avoir avec mes opinions...
Jacques8022 3 years ago
"Ik ken het Nederlands", typte je enkele posts gelezen. Als dit nederlands is dan ben ik de paus. Je moet zeggen: jij bent zielig , en niet zielig jij bent, domme waal. ffs zeg, jullie hebben ook altijd hulp van Vlamingen nodig e, grow up!
codenaam49 3 years ago
of zoals de paus zegt: "dank oe voer die blumen"
rResurgam 3 years ago 3
ik geef je gelijk die wale moete echt bij frankrijk...
dimvdkikke 3 years ago 7
volledig akkoord,zonder ons zijn de walen niks...
deidjera 3 years ago
The FLANDERS is not a country and French is a language official of Belgium.
Jacques8022 3 years ago
AHahahaha
lolz, big joke
6million of the 10million inhabitants speek Dutch, and u come here and tell us: oh, french is the official language of belgium. Well, wrong dumboy walloon! Flanders has always been a country fighting for independency, and no1 ever could change our language nor culture. And certainly not that dum, homeless, not working walloons, on wich we have all power. Without the Flemish people, ur artard country sinks deeper in misery than it already is!
codenaam49 3 years ago
Learns how to read, I never said that French was the only official language !
Dombo.
Jacques8022 3 years ago
hah, who is the dombo here? fricking walloons.
1: learn to spell, or just learn your english, retard, its learN!
2: u mentioned French as official language in belgium. Well u stupid, ur wrong. Its maybe official in wallonia, but not in Flanders. And if its not in Flanders, then u cant speak of belgium, artard!
codenaam49 3 years ago
French is a international language, and how much Englishmen or German speaks another language that their native tongue? Not much, I can say it to you. Obviously when one has a language like native tongue little spoken in the world, one is obliged to speak others. Still frustration poor thing....
Jacques8022 3 years ago
I can tell u, more than 25million people over the whole world speak Dutch. Now you come tell those millions of people they speak a "little spoken" language in the world? You are wrong dude, lol.
But i can see that u dont stick to the subject we were talking about, and u seek outways out of this discussion, witch means u dont know anything anymore to win this discussion.
Poor walloons
codenaam49 3 years ago
25 millions is nothing on the world....
Jacques8022 3 years ago
oh no?
codenaam49 3 years ago
u think that because u r obviously not very smart. There are thousands of language over the whole world. Dutch is in the top hundred. That means: its a big language, u moron. You walloons really have to do more research, u wont always get all the help of us Flemings.
codenaam49 3 years ago
Hahahahahahahaha.......
Jacques8022 3 years ago
lol, is that ur respons? obviously i told u something u didnt want to know xD I always pwn walloons, so funny ^^
codenaam49 3 years ago
top of 100 ahahahahaa
french is on the top 3
virgi681 3 years ago
yeah, top 3 of most unemployed, most socialist, ..
schuimbekje 3 years ago
but 17.000.000.000 is quite a lot for belgium... flanders pays that much to francoland every year, that's more than w germany does to e germany, and still your part of the country looks like it belongs behind iron curtain. if you wish for this to stop, face the issues, stop it with the lies, drop the victim attitude, acknowledge your past, create your own prosperity (as the flemish have done, despite francophone leeching & meddling), and stop trying to frenhufy more flemish regions. simple.
schuimbekje 3 years ago
à Bruxelles ns ne sommes pas des victimes mais ns refusons de parler un dialecte debile.
virgi681 3 years ago
blabla... here, have an unemployment card. go live it up!!
schuimbekje 3 years ago
leer het verschil tussen dialect en taal... vlaanderen kent vele dialecten, net zoals elke andere taal, maar onze algemene taal is nederlands (wat voortvloeit uit vlaams, brabants & hollands)
schuimbekje 3 years ago
and you're talking about arrogance...there were timeswhen you were not that pride, you were then the poor part of the country...
poglay 2 years ago
more ignorance... when the flemish were poorer than the french was when flanders becamepart of belgium... belgium has a rich history and was one of the wealthiest regions in europe during the middle-ages, that changed only due to foreign invaders and francophone suppression.
schuimbekje 2 years ago
"belgium has a rich history"should be "flanders"
schuimbekje 2 years ago 2
yeah for a second you almost called yourself belgian!
poglay 2 years ago
i am belgian, doesn't mean i have to agree with the way things are going... if all we ever get from the francophones is a 'non' followed with more demands/threats then all this is left to do is to split up the country... i have nothing against francophones, but the fact that we pay for their superiority complex is getting a tad tiresome..
but it's good that you don't disagree with the rest of my comment, because you know it's the truth.
schuimbekje 2 years ago 2
it's not me it's you no it's you , its not me .... yeah right.. a superiority complex hu...so what ?you mean you have an inferiority one? or maybe you have a superiority one since you've explaining the favourable position of flanders throughout history and then the walloons have an inferior one....oh i got it : a pissing contest...
poglay 2 years ago
Take care ! The harbour of Anvers will be soon weakened by the harbour of Rotterdam and the Dutch ! You don't seem to realise that your stupid linguistic problems are weakening the entire country. It will be too late ! Belgium United !
delamotteh 2 years ago
quote @delamotteh : "The harbour of Anvers will be soon weakened by the harbour of Rotterdam and the Dutch!"
For the record: the harbour of ANTWERP is still growing, as is Rotterdams. As a matter of fact, they're growing towards each other and it has simply become a matter of time before the two meet, fuse and become world's largest harbour (I'm talking about decades here, though).
Also, it's YOUR people that still live of OUR hard-earned money. Separation is inevitable with shit like this.
Gyzome 1 year ago
le flamand est un DIALECTE d´attardés...
le neerlandais est une langue pas le flamand.
officiellement 500.000 millions de personnes parlent la langue de Molière..mais c´est beaucoup plus..aux etats unis par ex les americains sont dingue du francais! ils ne savent meme pas que le flamand se parle en Belgique..arretez de vs sentir inferieurs (meme si ns savons TOUS que vs l´êtes ;) c´est bien pour cela que vs bossez autant...il faut bien compenser...
virgi681 3 years ago
Yes, and? ok 500000 speekers, so what? Yes, french is a big language, but how come? because of the colonisation. Thats the only reason. I say that 25 million speekers of Dutch, Dutch is a big language in the world. No1 ever would argue about these FACTS dumbo french artard noobs.
codenaam49 3 years ago
ahahahahahah CA´mon man we both know that we can recognize a flemish even physically from far, ugly and stupid...
watch the film "Daens"...you´ll see where you come from.. dumbass.
virgi681 3 years ago
hehe lol, i laugh at u gay french. Remember 1302? those people, poor as in the movie Daans, destroyed your trained army of knights, like they were fighting kids. We drowned u French in Flemish water, and we enjoyed it. At the Brugse metten, we killed every French citizen in Bruges, Dude, fun that it was. And now, we gonna sepparate from wallonia, and they gonna die. as a matter of fact, Flanders is 1 of the richest countries in the world, far above france you stupid.
codenaam49 3 years ago
oh i suppose you would recognize me then though i'm french ............with a very distinctiv flemish type thanks to flemish grand parents.! Dutch is a wonderful language as well as french, and i am french by birth and yes one must show respect even and maybe above all by principle, its no competition , these are two languages , two cultures. wondering if one his superior to the other is simply childish if not retarded.
poglay 2 years ago
it's not the flemish that have a superiority complex... look at belgian history and the treatment of the flemish as 2nd rank citizens, not even being able to get an education in their own language for so long... and the constant slanders in the francophone media, the billions of € that wallonia gets from flanders without ever getting any basic respect in return...
if you move to flanders, learn dutch, it's a simple as that... we're done handing over territory and money to elitist paupers.
schuimbekje 2 years ago
yeah right who cares...
poglay 2 years ago