Magic: The Gathering: Tips and Tricks (Episode 2)

[HurpDurpification]

when he asked what "do you think will happen" I was like "WILL BENDER!!!"

[woyay]

I really hate playing on the internet can we please just have a magic the gathering house in every town governent funded which just is open at all times.. (yea right that'd be great tho..)

[BushidoPimpDemon]

I have been confused about WHEN you can play Split Second. My friend says it can ONLY be played in responds to a card (on the stack). Is it possible to play a card with split second by itself, without needing it to be on the stack?

[DiabolicTut0r]

what program?

[H3c70rit0]

hey where can i get this game? i have a demo which says 9th edition, but it only lets me play 2 colours default decks(no 1,3,4,5 colour decks and no personalize capability) and id like to have the full game

and can i DL it from the internet, send me a personnal message if posible

[SoulL0bster]

Not to be a douch bag but i dont see how this is a tip or trick, considering its just showing what that card does....like its kind of just a "This is the actual rule for this card so dont be stupid and forget" guide

[krazykidpsx]

@SoulL0bster you can unmorph even when splitsecond on the stack. Thats the tip. Not much, but it can save things sometimes. Will bender is splitsecond single target's worse enemy.

[Jayo2Nice]

You folks are all wrong. Morph does not use the stack. It is a "Special Action". Therefore, as the player casts the sudden death targetting whatever creature it wants to, willbender in fact can turn itself face up and change the target of the said spell. "Split second doesn't prevent players from performing special actions. Most notably, players may turn face-down creatures face up while a spell with split second is on the stack."

[Gh0rt]

hey dude, that video is nice, but morph is just an activated ability and when sudden death comes onto the stack, you can do nothing, because its just activated ability that can't be simply played, so the black mage tricked out the blue one and willbender goes to the graveyard :-)

[Mikemillering1]

The blue cards ability is activated by mana, aka mana ability. the black card says "cant play spells or abilities that Arent mana abilities" the video however was VERY UNINFORMATIVE and redundant and quite frankly unfortunate. what the happened in the video that was so tricky? awesome program tho, i didnt know it existed and i am going to use it. thanks for that.

[faxonboy]

@Mikemillering1 mana abilities (or mana sources) are abilities that produce mana, not use them. those are activated abilities.

[elvencloud]

Everyone else is right; morph doesn't use the stack, it's considered a mana ability

[Ezekiel137]

What magic program are you using??

[themagicsock]

OCTGN

[Ezekiel137]

Oh okay thanks! where did you get the actual magic game for OCTGN?

[kangarradio]

is that mws... thanks

[themagicsock]

Split Second only stops players from playing Spells and (nonMana) Activated ability.

The Turning of a face-down Creature face-up is a Special Action; Split Second does not Stop you from taking the action.

[tigertamer14]

acctually morph is an activated ability, sudden death kills it, morph is not a mana ability, mana abilities are things like birds of paradise: "tap: produce one mana of any color"

[kingofsoulsfrombm]

I think it's a state based action, not a special action.

But same thing.

[Darksteelturilli]

In fact tigertamer14 is correct the willbender ability cant response to the split second, cause its an activated ability, llanowar elves and creatures like that are mana abilities

[maxtheking]

i dont get it.. doesnt the split second from sudden death stop activated abilities?

[RikarduJ]

is 60 maximum cards?

[jinfire109]

60 card minimum

[Soulforge00]

There's no maximum. You just have to be able to shuffle your deck : P

[SigmaStealth4]

yeah, I agree with moterfiets. what program is that?

[fibonacci227]

i agree with both of you and also wanna know what program!!

[moterfiets]

what program is that???

[DarknessOfLight1]

@moterfiets FFS dont u listien/watch..... OCTGN

[Boochus]

i thought that cards that give target creature -x -x only applies to end of turn (if stated). Meaning that at the end of the turn the creature comes back to life.

[chaplainkes]

nope, it only says untill end of turn since there are cards that have the oposite effect.(like giant growth +3/+3 ueot)

[SilentTugA]

hi ppl.

hei where do i download this game?

anyone know???

[coolibe]

actually ur rite, i havent bot any times at all or seen any perpusly, i didnt know about the split second thing till i looked ona site on sudden death :P

[coolibe]

actually bud i beg to differ at 1:11 u said as long as that 1 card is on the stack others cant use spells or tap abilies that arent mana, actually yes u can, otherwise u couldnt counter that spell :P witch would make counters pointless : P unless i missed somthing i thnk your wrong lol

[Syn2424]

It's a split-second spell, you can't counter it even if you have another split-second spell that's used for countering, though I'm not sure if there is one, I haven't seen one anyway.

[coolibe]

i havent seena single split second spell that wasnt made by players on a site, but if there was i dont know about it. :P

[grilled987]

thats almost the whole point of split second

[evileivind]

Why does Morph beat Split Second? This wasn't explained in the video as far as I could see, which it really should have been.

[clearfox7]

because the morph counts as a mana ability and if you read the sudden-death it says "a player cant play any cards or activated abilities unless it's a mana ability" thus you can counter with a mana ability

[N4M374K3N]

actually, it isn't a mana ability, it's a static activated ability. mana abilities make mana.

[clearfox7]

oh im sorta new to this so i dont know all the details

[N4M374K3N]

no prob. it's a really tough game. some of the terminology is a little tricky!

[manicdeadpool]

That's what I was thinking.

[moreira13]

what game is it? :o

[akumie]

I was wondering my brother has a 0/5 wall "can block any number of creatures", + enchanment "target creatuire can`t deal nor reasive damage" + enchanment "target creature gains flying", the wall can now block all my creatures and is almost impossible to kill, in my opinion it`s so unfair, but it sounds like the best combo ever

is that even possible or is there a hidden rule my brother has missed?

[fourstatefav]

what are the card names. but u can just o-ring the wall and its over

[jeanbeloe]

akumie: removal like terror, boomerang, mutilate and so on is your friend

[magicfanatic2012]

that is totally fine what rule could there be to stop something like that?

[galen9]

This is true because morph is apparently a triggered ability even though it has the exact properties of an "static ability" (whatever that is), and therefore bypasses split second. A question i have is can you respond to morph with something? (Ex: shock an exalted angel in response to morph, or stifle a willbender, or something of the sort?

[rfillingh]

Very good question.

But I think split second applies overall to the stack, no matter where on the stack it is.

"Split second (As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't play spells or activated abilities that aren't mana abilities.)"

So in response to split second, someone morphs, and in response to morph you coul d(example) pump Looming Shade, pump Honor Guard, etc... the stack would grow, but split second rules would still apply. You couldn't play "shock" still...

[rfillingh]

Interesting "loophole"?

If you have shock/terror/any bounce on the stack and someone plays a split second spell, you could use Izzet Guildmage's mana ability to copy and create a copy, because even though shock/terror/etc is a spell, it's being duplicated via mana ability, which is totally legal. Assuming you have enough mana to do this sort of thing, and you have the correct spell on the stack already...

[umcaraeumviolao]

is this Octagon?

[pm1288]

Pls Pls PLEASE explain WHY you can suddenly use what looks like an activated ability with a Split second spell on the stack, don't just say "so you can flip it up, beating split second and rah rah rah".

Morph is a Game Action, not a Activated ability. Triggered abilities aren't stopped by Split Second.

[Drvoljub]

Morph is not 'a game action' (whatever that is). Morph is a static ability. And split second cleary states that players can't play spells and activated abilities. Everything else is fine.

I don't understand why this video lasts more than 5 mins. Too much beating around the bush.

[duplicate00]

what other abilities do not use the stack beside

morph and mana abilities?

[IFightForTheUsers]

Other things that don't use the stack:

The "Split Second" ability (not truly, it's just that no one ELSE may play spells or abilities while it's on the stack, so it almost may as well bypass the stack.)

Playing a Land (i.e. your one land per turn.)(not technically an ability)

[Passwordless]

You are wrong there, rules in split second says "Players can't play spells or activated abilitys...."

PLAYERS, not Opponents, and just in case, you can not play lands while there is a spell or ability on the stack

[fantomasssss21]

what is this u r using? game? program? its name?

[dark420bishop]

That ruling makes absolutely no effing sense.

[talirofonias]

i think that when willbender is turned face-up and his ability is triggered(redirect a spell),that ability has to go on the stack but because of the split second it never goes,right?so actually,whatever the blue mage does,his willbender will surely die

[vjvis2]

The morph ability is instantaneous. Like mana abilities, it does not use the stack. In short, the video is correct.

[IFightForTheUsers]

vjvis is correct. The video is correct. The morphed creature's ability isn't played. It legally goes on the stack because it is a triggered effect (trigger being the unmorphing of the Willbender.)

[talirofonias]

yes you 're right,i made a mistake.split second is about spells and activated abilities.i thought it was about triggered abilitites too.soz men

[apconnor0118]

im curious about the 4/4 flying angel, were you or weren't you making a joke about platinum angel? Because i laughed when you said "For whatever reason you have some 4/4 flying angel", but if that wasn't a joke then ... whatever i give up on life.

[cocacolamandan]

Decree of Justic Makes 4/4 flying angel tokens.

[errrzarrr]

Also:

502.58. Split Second

-Players still get priority while a card with split second is on the stack. (That means the priority 'token' is still passed to the opponent)

-Split second doesn't prevent players from performing special actions. Most notably, players may turn face-down creatures face up while a spell with split second is on the stack.

[errrzarrr]

From TimeSpiral Rules Primer:

502.26. Morph

-Any time you could play an instant, you may turn a face-down permanent face up by paying its morph cost. This isn't an activated ability; it's a special action that doesn't use the stack and can't be countered or responded to. You can't do this to face-down cards on the stack.

[errrzarrr]

Which program is that ?

[themagicsock]

OCTGN

[UnterSnowdog]

Important detail!

The only reason why this can, is because willbender changes the target of a SPELL, meaning it may use its abillity before the split secund sudden death is actually on the stack (it's still a spell!)

[suppertimeGA]

No you dumbass, flipping a creature face-up doesn't use the stack

[Slug99]

What? Dude a card that is played is on the stack as soon as the spells has been declared with valid target and the cost has been paid. If it were anyother way the stack would be totaly useless and split second would have been the most useless ability EVER!

[Masterbrastia]

This action does not use the stack

great news ;)

[chevlumina]

One thing you could try is Coat of Arms. It may pump their creatures as well, but a lot of snakes have the ability to keep their creatures from untapping their next turn. Works well with Oorochi Hatchery..

[HerrDoktorChaos]

lol dude yeah that program is wicked sick

[Starsword]

Dude, I have GOT to know what that program your using is.

It's freaking bad-ass.

[thisistoogood]

i use magic workstation, but i'm not sure if that above is magic apprentice

[jamesjack88]

502.26a ..."Morph [cost]" means "You may play this card as a 2/2 face-down creature, with no text, no name, no subtypes, no expansion symbol, and no mana cost by paying {3} rather than its mana cost." Any time you could play an instant, you may show all players the morph cost for any face-down permanent you control, pay that cost, then turn the permanent face up. This action does not use the stack...

[dofer3]

that has realy helped me to play it has now helped me many times in games

[Forestpuppetkai]

i'm sorry and i probably sound ridiculously stupid but i never understood split second. What is "the stack" please tell me so i could properly play some cards that i have that might be really good and thank you

[pyr666]

"the stack" is the order in which spells occur. it is last one in is first off. you can actualy stack the cards in the way they will "go off". if if i play X, you respond with Y, then i respond with Z. first Z happens, then Y, then X.

[Krello]

To clarify pyr666, lets say you play a card and i respond with a counterspell, we stack the card, your's is first, on bottom, then mine next. Then we unstack the cards, resolving their effects as we go. Split second says "i'm the king of the stack, no one goes on top of me". Essentially, split second says "i'm happening NOW and you cant do ANYTHING in response".

[zaratrustamaster]

i don´t really think this morph thing works... cuz u can morph whenever you can play an instant... and split second doesn´t let anyone play responses...

[blitz2k6]

yes you can morph as an instant, but to morph it is a mana ability I believe..

[blitz2k6]

Sorry...I made a mistake..its a special action that doesnt use the stack for its ability.

[SirFiNiX]

I don't know if morph uses the stack or not, but it doesn't matter. It's a mana ability, and if the morph ability is on top of the stack, it will trigger first.

[errrzarrr]

NO it does not uses the stack to turn it up.

YES it does matter if an spell/ability does or does not uses the stack.

NO. Is not a mana Ability. It's triggered ability which is paid using mana.

[Seiku]

some morphs have other abilities like discard or sacrifice to play

[errrzarrr]

well, when a face-down cards turns to a face-up card that happens without even going to the stack. So, that's even ''faster'' than instant speed.

[MrsRandomMadeMeDoIt]

but most ppl knows this, the program u use what is that ??

looks awsome

where can i theck it out?

[MrsRandomMadeMeDoIt]

yes u can... morph is crazy fast.. ^^

[QuadmanSwe]

cough, special action

[Fradre]

sorry, but morph is the activated ability...

[themagicsock]

No, that is incorrect. Morph is NOT an activated ability. Here's the official ruling:

Split Second only stops players from playing Spells and (nonMana) Activated ability.

The Turning of a face-down Creature face-up is a Special Action; Split Second does not Stop you from taking the action.

[kylepwndyou]

What a moron. Morph doesn't use the stack at all. So just so you know you cant burn a shapeshifter for 2 in response to the flip.

[Alicabob]

wow. I never would have guessed. You learn somthing new everday!

[themagicsock]

You CAN respond to split second by morphing the creature. Visit the Magic Sock website and I'll put a link to the ruling there as I can't put the link here on YouTube.

[thesteveexperience]

ok ill check it out

[zaratrustamaster]

yeah, in this case u're right. sorry about causing trouble in your video comments... heh

[thesteveexperience]

You cant morph the creature in response thats why its called split second.

[gmal]

youre an idiot morph doesnt use the stack