I'm not sexist or anything, but I'm totally against abortion. It's murder in disguise!
It takes away the rights of one human being to protect the so-called rights of others!
In cases of rape or something along those lines, I believe the best answer is adoption. Besides, the rape cases are an extreme minority group. In my opinion, the ONLY situation would be if HAVING THE BABY would kill the mother.
Respond to me if you want, I will not respond back. You make me so glad that I aborted- genuinely HAPPY about it. You also do nothing for your case except push me further away, and make me more and more grateful for the education that I have and my lack of xtainity. You have no respect NOR understanding of neurology, legality, or basic biology and you are a completely broken record who cannot let people think for themselves when it comes to the most private of privates- sexuality. I have a -c
-c signle suggestion for you- if you want to know the circusmtnaces of my abortion, and why I did not have other options, I have a video- 'why i'm prochoice'. Watch it, and read to where I got pregnant and aborted. If you can actually swallow your own damn sexual frustration and pride enough to let someone else fuck or speak w/o needing your opinionated concurrence, I'll continue this. if not, you have lost long ago. The entire video covers all aspects of abortion rights and justifications.
I have to go, I'll be back later or tomorrow. HOPEFULLY after reading up what I provided you, you will understand the development of the brain and thus personhood, the soul, w/e you want to call it, and have a little more respect and appreciation for your own body's complexity and development. If it's too much to handle, I can easily summarize it or point you to a few other links explaining various points. My education is mostly science and medicine, you know- degrees in neurology/psychology.
@ryddelwearsahat First of all, I already understand personhood; and, are you accusing me of refusing to respect the complexity of the body? Have you completely ignored Every god-damn thing i've been saying to you this whole time? And, stop condescending to me, you bitch; the truth is that every single thing about the soul is irrelevant, because having a soul is NOT what makes you a human being. Even if it was, what you have provided simply supports my point that the only reason (continued)
@ryddelwearsahat (continued) that the fetus always possesses the supernatural presence that gives it the ability to use it's physical body to be self aware and cognitive, but that it's brain is just so underdeveloped that it is unable to show that presence.
Either way, this does not change the fact that the fetus is a human being; you can wish it wasn't all you want, but a human being the fetus is. It is a separate, individual creature with it's own deoxyribonucleic acid unique to it.
@ryddelwearsahat I truly do pray that, in the time you spend away, you wake up and see the truth; that the fetus is an individual creature, with it's own soul, body, and DNA. Saying that the fetus is a part of the Mother is just like saying that a tapeworm is part of the mother; By having sex, you agree to risk pregnancy without any possibility of turning back, and taking contraceptives simply reduces that risk. See sense, stop living in your fantasy world, and accept the truth.
@someguy018 Crap. It's all.. icy and shit. I'm not going anywhere. I will simply have to disagree with what you think. So will the majority of the free world. That is why abortion is legal, and continues to remain so. You'd be surprised how often people like you think what they believe in a fact and not a limited personal opinion. It was just as wrong to accept homosexuality, to accept black equality, women's rights to education/employment/voting, freedom of religion. You too will pass.
@ryddelwearsahat Very well, then; if you refuse to abandon your delusional beliefs, then i will not argue with you any further.
Also, how could you compare Black equality, Women's equality, and freedom of religion, to abortion? Those actually ensure the god-given rights of all people; abortion does the opposite.
Oh, and just because the majority of the free world supports abortion does not change the fact that it is wrong; morality and reality are not democracies.
@someguy018 People had no rational proof, just opinions and 'moral structures' to combat these rights. Just like you have no actual proof. You have not given me a real explanation to anything- just repeated yourself w/ opinions, repeatedly. PROVE sex is only for reproduction, and that consent to sex is consent to parenthood.. But wait, you can't, b/c the very existence of birth control, abortion and even ADOPTION throw that idea all to hell b/c those are all stout REFUSALS to parenthood.
@ryddelwearsahat No actual proof? Opinions? Have you been completely ignoring every single god-damn thing i've been saying this whole time?
First of all, I NEVER said that sex is JUST for reproduction. Consent to sex is consent to parenthood because parenthood is an obvious RISK to sex, and by having sex you are taking a chance to become pregnant. Birth control, as i've explained numerous times, is something that REDUCES that risk; Abortion is murder, so is illegitimate (continued)
@ryddelwearsahat(continued)And adoption is consent to parenthood WITHOUT consent to sex. Never have I said that you HAVE to have sex to agree to become a pregnant; you can consent to parenthood without having sex. However, you cannot consent to SEX without consenting to RISK PARENTHOOD.
Once again, just like all your comments before, this comment is filled with lies.
By having sex, you are taking a RISK to become pregnant.By taking precautions, you are just reducing that risk. (continued)
@ryddelwearsahat If you do NOT want to risk parenthood then you SHOULD NOT HAVE SEX
Consent to sex is consent to parenthood because pregnancy is an evident risk when having sex, because sex is had at the will of the mother and because any action to terminate the pregnancy is murder.Birth control is there to REDUCE that risk, but there is still a risk, and Abortion is murder, and so is not only irresponsible, but illegal and wrong.
I have said this all before, yet you choose to ignore it.
@someguy018 If all consent to sex is consent to parenthood, why does birth control, abortion, and even adoption even exist? Why do people seek abortion or say they got 'accidentally' pregnant? Can you seriously deny like, 2 billion people in the world their reasons for having sex, not wanting children, getting abortions, and the very EXISTENCE of birth control, abortion, and adoption? Why do people who have sex & not want kids that get pregnant choose abortion, or adoption if they 'consented'?
@ryddelwearsahat Sex is still consent to parenthood, because Birth control only REDUCES the risk to become pregnant; because abortion is murder, and therefore illegitimate; and because adoption is still consent to parenthood, without sex. The thing which you're evidently too stupid to understand is that An evident risk of sex is pregnancy, that by preforming actions that take that risk you are by definition agreeing to risk that thing happening, and to back out should it happen is murder.
@ryddelwearsahat Just because you do not WANT kids does not change the fact that you preformed actions which resulted in the pregnancy happening; if you truly do not want the pregnancy, then don't have sex.
I am not saying that the ONLY reason for sex is procreation... yet another lie from you. What I said was that Pregnancy is a RISK that you take when having sex. If they later choose not to deal with the responsibility is irrelevant, because by preforming those actions, they consented.
@someguy018 Please answer these questions. I'd love to hear your answers. Do you think they just 'changed their minds' or were using birth control to find the 'strongest' sperm or eggs? Do they do it just TO have abortions, in your opinion? Why did I have sex at 14, have the guy wear a condom, and self-induce a miscarraige that almost killed me if i supposedly CONSENTED to becoming a parent?
@ryddelwearsahat Birth control is just reducing the risk of pregnancy; the risk is still there, and so, even by having sex with birth control, you are taking the risk. Just because you do not want something in this case is irrelevant; you intentionally preformed actions that you knew might result in that outcome. Actions speak louder than words. You are consenting to parenthood because YOU'RE THE ONE WHO GOT YOURSELF PREGNANT.
@ryddelwearsahat Even though you're a whore and had sex at 14,and even though you made the guy wear a condom does not change the fact that you still consented to have sex(although at a lower risk to become pregnant),that you knew that you might become pregnant,and that you not only allowed the action which resulted you becoming pregnant to take place, but you PARTICIPATED. Even if you do not WANT the pregnancy, and later murder your child, does not change the fact that YOU GOT YOURSELF PREGNANT.
@someguy018 LOL I laughed. I had sex at 14 to try to hide the pain of being abused violently at home, and to hide the pain and shame of CPS refusing to help me, despite seeing bruises on half my face. I didn't do it to feel good or look cool- i thought it would cover up the abuse. Also, birth control is used to prevent pregnancy. I did not even think a condom could or would break. I thought that shit worked. My school did not have sex ed AT ALL except abstinence-only. Now, I continue.
@someguy018 Still with the insults? Running out of gas now, or what? Insulting me and wishing it were true does nothing but make you look like an even bigger pretentious nutjob than you already are. Would it please you if I called you an uneducated prude-faggot who hates women? No? And I wouldn't.. b/c insulting eachother is pointless and just makes us look like asses. Your reasons are nonfactual. Personhood derives from independence and brain function, not basic DNA. Your opinion is not -c
@ryddelwearsahat What do you mean, still with the insults? You have been insulting me this whole god-damn time, and if you had read the damn comment you would see that I am still winning this argument; don't forget, YOU were the one who threatened to "knock my teeth out", So don't try to look like you're mature, because you're not. No, it wouldn't please me if you did that, because that would be completely incorrect.
My reasons are 100% Factual, and I have explained HOW they are factual.
-c supported by law AT ALL around 90% of the /free/ world. Fetuses and the braindead can be terminated legally. So can the comatose. Change all those laws first then get back to me. No, women can only give up a child for adoption once it is born- there is no uterus-adoption. Study a little more law and basic biology and practice in adoption, please. ARRANGEMENTS can be made, but the fetus does not get adopted until it is born. Parenthood can be relinquished through adoption or abortion, or by -c
@ryddelwearsahat That's what I, and other people who oppose murder, are trying to change; they are still human beings, and have a right to life, the same as you or me. Also, those laws existences do not change the fact that Abortion is wrong.
Also, when the fuck did I ever say anything about Uterus adoption? You're putting words in my mouth, yet again, as I expected. What I said was, Even if they put up their child for adoption, then the child was still, at one point, in the woman's uterus.
@ryddelwearsahat You keep on trying to tell me that what I'm saying isn't fact, but if you would just read my god-damn posts, and use your common sense, you would see that they ARE. You've been the one twisting around my words this whole time; You tried to tell me that i was talking about Uterus adoption, when in fact, what i said was that even if the parent puts the child up for adoption, they were still AT ONE TIME pregnant with it. Stop twisting around my words, and stop trlling lies.
@ryddelwearsahat Do you want me to give you a definition of "Parent?" Here it is, from wordnetweb: "a father or mother; one who begets or one who gives birth to or nurtures and raises a child; a relative who plays the role of guardian"
"Beget" means to conceive. Therefore, even if someone has an abortion, or even if they put their child up for adoption, then they were still a parent; even if your child dies in the womb, you're still a parent. It is impossible to relinquish parenthood.
@someguy018 Parent has different contexts.. I consider parent in the context of.. parenting, not being an DNA donor. Adoption does relinquish parenthood- someone else does the job. If not, then what is adoption? Please tell what adoption is if it is not, in fact, someone else stepping in and playing parent to an unwanted child? I could say the same thing right back to you- re-read my posts or stop talking to me. Either you are deliberately not acknowledging what I say, or you are stupid.
@ryddelwearsahat But you still beget the child, correct? Therefore, you are still a parent; in the sense that the father or mother of a 40 year old billionaire are still his parents. They beget him.
If someone steps in and adopts a child, then HE/SHE is a parent as well; however, the biological parents are still the child's parents, simultaneously.
I have carefully read every single comment you have read, and I can see that they are wrong.
@someguy018 In that sense, yes. But that is not the point or context- the context of adoption I am speaking of is you refuse parenthood and have someone else do the job for you. You cannot do that UNTIL AFTER the child is born. Before birth adoption is not an option and has nothing to do with abortion. With an UNWANTED pregnancy it is do, or abort. Do or die. If you cannot handle the pregnancy, then abortion is perfectly moral b/c there are no other options. Get it now?
@ryddelwearsahat If you cannot handle the pregnancy, then the pregnant woman should not have gotten pregnant in the first place. And, just because she may not be able to handle the pregnancy, does not mean that she should be allowed to murder an innocent human being.
Never is it not an option to maintain a pregnancy.
If it was going to put her at risk or if she were otherwise unable to handle the pregnancy, then she should not have taken action which resulted in her pregnancy.
@someguy018 But, consent to sex is not consent to parenthood. When I fuck my husband, it is for pleasure, not to make a child. This child itself is an accident, you know. If you use birth control, then getting pregnant is not your fault b/c the contraceptive failed to do what it was designed, intended to do- prevent pregnancy. You cannot say sex is consent to parenthood, end of line, b/c that is an outright lie, and denial, a rejection, of other independent people's intentions and actions. Void.
@ryddelwearsahat Since parenthood (in the sense of begetting) is a direct result and risk of sex, if you have sex, you are consenting to parenthood. If you preform an action, then you are by definition accepting all possible results because you caused them to happen, regardless of your intent.
Contraceptives can fail,and so by taking one,you are reducing the risk, not eliminating it.Your current pregnancy is a perfect example.
By taking an action you automatically consent to the outcome.
@someguy018 Yes, you accept the possibility, but there is also recourse. Driving in a car is risky, driving drunk even more so- yet you still get medical treatment, right? Abortion is no different. Denying that is like, denying half the people in the world their personal histories/actions/intentions, & is just not possible, logical, or factual. I reject that entirely, and the very existence of abortion, contraception, and adoption all reject that. Get over it- that's your personal opinion ONLY.
@ryddelwearsahat I have explained to you before how there can be no just recourse, because to take recourse would be to murder an innocent human being. Unwanted pregnancy is no the same as breaking you arm; getting your arm in a cast does not kill a person.
Abortion is unjust, contraception is not perfect, and adoption does not change the fact that you had, at one time, been pregnant and have given birth.
This is FACT, and that you do not accept that is wrong.
@someguy018 Ah, but abortion is not murder b/c a fetus is not a person. Human dna, but not a person. You cannot murder a non-person. Killing is perfectly legal- in self-defense.. that is lethal force. Abortion can be classified as such, only no actual persons are killed. Let it go, man- I'm repeating myself and this is tiresome. I aborted at 14, I'm happy as fuck with that decision- if you are against that, then you are against the child developing i my womb NOW, that will be KEPT. Are you?
@ryddelwearsahat And, as I have explained to you before, the fetus IS a person, because it still possesses the SOUL that gives it the ability to become intelligent in the first place.
Having a fetus in your womb is NOT assault. And, even if it is a violation of your property rights, the fetus is still innocent, and cannot be punished. The one who should be punished is, in the case of rape, the one who FORCED you to be a mother; the rapist.
@someguy018 Soul is personality, personality is not even capable of developing until well AFTER birth, so that is incorrect as well. Follow basic brain biology please. Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law- ever heard that line before? Innocent or guilty, the fetus still puts the woman at risk, the woman was pre-existing and w/o consent it is wrong. Also, abortion is not about punishment, so that context goes out the window entirely. Try THAT again, too, please. God, this debate blows.
@ryddelwearsahat Soul is the metaphysical presence that allows a creature of appropriate physical makeup to express personhood.
Just because a fetus lacks personality, doesn't mean that the metaphysical presence that gives it it's personality is still there, even if it is physically incapable of expressing it.
How do i know this? Well, a soul is a direct part of being a human being. Be being a human being, you have a soul. Having a soul is not a REQUIREMENT of personhood; it is a result.
@someguy018 Metaphysical cannot be proved and thus falls out the window. Religion has no place in law in america. That bites it. You fail so hard and no wonder.. you're a friggin jesus freak, lol.
Metaphysical existence, our metaphysical programming, if you will, must exist; If we did not have a soul, we would be alive, but unable to function; we would not be able to willingly move our arms or legs.
THAT is what I mean when i say the metaphysical.
You mind showing me where, physically, our independence and ingenuity is kept?
@ryddelwearsahat Since people's intentions are illegitimate to the universe, if you do something which results in the pregnancy, and therefore caused it to happen, you still caused yourself to be pregnant.
If I play Russian roulette, I am consenting to risk blowing my brains out, right? Even if I don't WANT to, or even if it is not my intention to blow my brains out, there is still a risk that that is what will happen, and so by doing so, I consent to that risk, i FORCE that risk on myself.
@someguy018 Next point in support of forced-birth, AKA pro'life' AKA reproductive slavery, AKA rape? I've yet to lose a single argument- the best anyone can do as yet is resort to insults, accusations, or just start repeating themsleves like a skipping record and refuse to accept that their personal opinions are not worldwide FACTS.
@ryddelwearsahat It is NOT forced birth; the government is not forcing women to become pregnant, right? It is just forcing women to stick by their choice. They're the ones who decided to risk having to give birth by having sex at all. In the case of rape, there is still an innocent human being who nobody has the right to kill.
Saying that you do not have the right to kill someone is NOT reproductive slavery; if I wanted to FORCE you to become pregnant, it would be, but i don't. (continued)
@someguy018 Do you think the child i carry now should not exist? If you are against abortion, then you are against this child right now. You are also thusly against all children women have after aborting unwanted children- especially if those unwanted pregnancies would have prevented them from getting/retaining education/stable jobs/relationships/health ect.. thus directly leading to wanted, planned supportable, supportED children alter.. should those kids not exist? Should mine not exist?
@ryddelwearsahat Umm... what? That doesn't make sense, why should the child you're currently carrying not exist because you've had an abortion in the past?
@ryddelwearsahat You have, literally, never won a SINGLE argument that you have made against me, and you have not made a SINGLE valid point that i have disproven.
You say that WE have to accept that our opinions are not fact? My Opinions are based on fact, logic, and reason; logic and reason which you have yet to disprove.
Abortion is murder, Contraceptives are not perfect, and Adoption does not change that you were at one point pregnant and have given birth; all of those are illegitimate.
@someguy018 Your opinions outright deny my my own opinions and actions and intentions- they basically say things in my life did not happen or that I did things I did for completely different reasons.. by rejecting me the fact that I had sex for pleasure and did not consent to parenthood and thus had an abortion b/c I did not consent to parenthood quite obviously. You can't have it both ways and you are trying to. I had the guy wear a condom- that was a REJECTION of parenthood, not consent. FAIL.
I am not aying that abortion is impossible, I am saying that it is wrong, illegitimate, and murder.
You DID consent to parenthood when you had se at 14 because It is a direct result of what you did; you CONSENTED to risk that pregnancy.
And,if someone gets into a car,he may have repurcussion because he is not committing murder,but he is still consenting to risk getting into an accident,right?
@someguy018 Should the child I carry now not exist, then? Since it's existence is only possible thanks to the aboriton I had at 14? Please tell me. Your logic=YOU don't need to drive a car ever again then either, eh? Do you drive a car? What if someone else rams you- is it your fault, should you go w/o treatment, insurance payoff or lawsuit? =) It goes both ways, un. You're a hypocrite. Also, I did not consent to pregnancy. Telling me what i think and feel makes you a brain-nazi. Die plz.
@ryddelwearsahat What? What the hell are you talking about? How is the child that you're carrying's existence dependent on that abortion you had?
And, no, I WILL drive a car, but i also agree to ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY if an accident happens. I also agree to risk other peoples' stupidity, and to risk being injured.
The DIFFERENCE is that i can have recourse, unlike with pregnancy.
I am NOT telling you what you think, you fucking liar. YOU stop telling me what I believe.
@someguy018 B/c w/o that abortion I'd probably have been killed, if not rendered homeless or thus forced to keep and raise an unwanted child on the street or what have you. I would not have been able to hold out under the tyranny of my abusive household, or paid for my college education, gotten the job I had, or met and married the man who has fathered this child w/o that course of events. Answer my question, please, and don't play shit with me. This one, or that one? =) Support or struggle?
@ryddelwearsahat If that was what would have happened, then you should NOT HAVE HAD SEX IN THE FIRST PLACE.
That, or you could have given the child to an orphanarium.
The thing you're forgetting is this; you had complete control over the situation. You could have not had sex and never had that abortion, but you chose to risk it.
And, the idea that we don't have a metaphysical soul depends on the assumption that we have no real ingenuity or independence.
@ryddelwearsahat Having the guy wear a condom REDUCES the risk of parenthood. Using contraceptives REDUCES the risk of parenthood.
None of that changes the fact that you had sex, and therefore FORCED yourself to agree to all possible consequences; one of them, pregnancy, had no recourse.
@someguy018 Everything you say is circular and biased and only half-true IF that. On top of that, you feel the incessant repetitive need to tell ME what /I/ think and feel, why I did the things I did and you refuse me my own god-damn opinions by telling me I consented to parenthood when I keep telling you I did not. People like you are the reason abortion is and will remain legal- you have nothing but aborted(LOL PUNS) opinionations and the urge to dictate others down to their very thoughts.
@someguy018 Oh fucking A- this is done. You're illiterate, cannot grasp basic context and intention, and have thus far broken-record told ME how I think and feel about my own damn sex life to support YOUR intentions and wishful thinking. You know.. I am genuinely tempted to have an abortion now, safely and legally, just to spite literally every pro'life'rs on the face of the earth.. I have been for about, oh, 3 months now. And you know- you couldn't do shit about it, nazi. Stop talking to me.
-c What you say about sex consent and birth control and adoption are turned around or leave important parts out. Also, you ignore what I said about acceptance of RISK- that people have RECOURSE if something accidental happens and they don't like it. A fetus is not a person and cannot be 'murdered' b/c you cannot 'murder' a non-person. It is not a person b/c personhood comes not from DNA but from brain activity. Which is the braindead do not have personhood, and the comatose go either way. -c
@ryddelwearsahat First of all, no, they don';t leave important things out. Second, I did NOT ignore what you said about Recourse; I explained to you that there IS no recourse from pregnancy, because the only recourse involves murdering an innocent child. A Fetus IS a person, for the reasons I have given, and so can be murdered. No, personhood does NOT come out of brain-activity; personhood comes out of being a human being.
The braindead ARE people and it is still wrong to kill them.
-c If forced acceptance of risk were applicable, then adoption would not be an option for women who 'accidentally' get pregnant- they'd be legally forced to KEEP unwanted kids, not abort OR adopt them for the same reasons you yourself explained.
@ryddelwearsahat No, because when women put their children up for adoption, they were still pregnant; and, since they gave birth, they are still a parent.
Pregnancy and Parenthood; giving birth to the child; are the risks involved with pregnancy. Raising the child, however, can be averted by putting the child up for adoption. They are still parents, And If they do not want to RAISE the child, then they can put it up for adoption. There is no recourse for pregnancy, directly, however.
-c the state's interference if you prove to lack parental ability and are abusing or neglecting your child. You have nothing but cherry-picked 'facts' mixed with lies and personal opinions- if you told the truth and the WHOLE truth, and nothing BUT the truth, you'd be singing a WAY different tune. This debate is done- law, science, society, and history all say the exact opposite of what you are claiming. Thank GOD for EDUCATION.
@ryddelwearsahat Adoption does not relinquish parenthood, because the parent still had to have given birth,therefore making her a parent;Abortion is murder and therefore illegitimate;and state interference to remove your child does not change the fact that, if you gave birth to the child they took, then you ARE STILL A PARENT.
I have explained time and time again how what I'm saying is fact; you have not given a SINGLE Valid reason for a lie i've told,And to say that I'm uneducated is wrong.
@Andrew598895 Person and human are two different things entirely. Human is dna, person is self-awareness and mental presence, opinions, memories. A fetus lacks personhood.
@ryddelwearsahat Not necessarily; would you say that someone in a coma, who is mentally defective, or who was born asleep and who has never woken up, aren't persons?
@someguy018 If they were born unconscious and could not wake up, no, it is not a person, it is a vegetable. Comatose humans go either way, depending on the chances of waking/brain activity, and mental defect varies as well- is it plain old retardation, or anencephaly?
@ryddelwearsahat Yes, it IS a human. That you would deny that someone is a human being simply because they have never been conscious, and never will be, is appalling, absurd, and ridiculous. Just because someone is in a vegetative state does not change the fact that they fit the definition of and are human beings, and are entitled to the same rights as any other human being alive.
If i just walked past the aforementioned born-unconscious person, would it be okay for me to murder him?
@someguy018 Where, exactly, did I say a fetus was not human? Human, human BEING, person, alive, and conscious do NOT all mean the same thing, man. No, what is appalling is your lack of literary understanding, your inability to grasp and utilize context, and your delusion that image is all we are. We are not people b/c of our fucking skinbags- we are people BECAUSE OF OUR SOULS, OUR SELF-AWARENESS. A fetus is a developing human- not a thinking, feeling, actual person. Respect your own biology.
@ryddelwearsahat Lack of Literary understanding? A Human and a Human Being, when used as nouns, ARE the same thing; to deny this is a show of complete ignorance on your part.
PROVE to me that fetuses do not have souls, even though all human beings do when they're born. For all we know, the soul is still there, but it is unable to show itself due to a lack of ability on the undeveloped fetus's part. The thing that enables it to think and feel is still there. Prove that it isn't.
What I said has nothing to do with our image. What I said, despite all your attempts to skew it into something that it's not, is that ALL HUMAN BEINGS have a god-given right to life. A Fetus is still a human being. Therefore it has the right to life regardless of its awareness. If I am put into a vegetative state, I still have the right to life; for you to take it from me then is an injustice. and would make void your right to life. The same goes for the never-awake person and the fetus.
@ryddelwearsahat Just as in the person who well never be awake, you cannot PROVE that the ability to be conscious is there. However, would you say that there would be nothing wrong with killing that person, whatsoever?
All human beings have something that gives them the ability to be self-aware; that is a unique attribute that humans possess. However, what proof do you have that the fetus does NOT possess that attribute that gives them the ABILITY to be aware, unique to all human beings?
@ryddelwearsahat That you would deny the rights of a human being who was born asleep and will never be awake shows a complete disrespect for human life. The truth is that the Sleeping person is a human BEING, that the fetus is a human BEING and that their biological characteristics are all the definition required to know that they have rights as well
As ive said before since all stages of human life outside of fetushood have shown an ability to be self-aware you must PROVE that fetuses arent.
@someguy018 No, I would deny their personhood if their existence put another person at personal risk or if someone else would be literally FORCED to assume responsibility for them, which is not usually the case. Very rarely do the comatose or braindead come into this situation. Fetuses lack personhood? Easy.
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@ryddelwearsahat How does the fetus put another person at risk? It doesn't; it's the fetus's right to LIFE held against the mothers' "right" to convenience. Second, the Mother is not FORCED to assume responsibility of the fetus; the mother is the one who takes action which results in her pregnancy; it was her choice. Very rarely do the comatose or braindead come into this situation? Neither do fetuses, yet they both cost resources to maintain.
@someguy018 Lol rape is 'inconvenient' too in the sense that it does not KILL you, just fuck up your day, huh? Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood- if it is, then why do people use birth control? To find the 'strongest' sperm or egg? Funny. A fetus puts the woman carrying it at risk with all the regualr risks that accompany pregnancy, not to mention social risks, financial risks, hormonal/emotional/physical complications, PTSD, depression, suicidal tendencies, anxiety, and hm.. -c
@ryddelwearsahat How does pregnancy fuck up your day? You are over exaggerating pregnancy and making it sound like something it's not; it may be hard, but it isn't torture. Consent to sex is consent to TAKE A RISK to become pregnant; you reduce or eliminate that risk by using contraceptives. The fetus puts the mother at risk, but she CONSENTED to risk taking those risks when she agreed to take part in activity that left her pregnant.
@someguy018 I AM PREGNANT. Almost 6 months in now. MY FEET SWELL, I EAT LIKE A HORSE. The heartburn makes me puke and fucks up my mood. I have back pain, tit pain. I cry randomly, I get SUPER pissed randomly. I fart all the time, maternity clothes makes me feel ugly and fat as hell and are expensive. The baby kicks up a storm and it FUCKING HURTS now. It made me PUKE at an expensive social dinner, right at the table it kicked so hard, hurt bad enough. i'm NEVER doing this again, TRUST ME. -c
@ryddelwearsahat Oh, poor you, having mood swings, throwing up, and having pain; we ALL have pain. I have broken my right arm, which took two weeks to heal, and i recently sprained my ankle, which left me unable to walk for a month. I suffer head-splitting headaches that literally make me unable to do anything other thatn try to go asleep to make it go away. The difference? I NEVER consented to my headaches, even if i did consent to take risks when i broke my arm and sprained my ankle.
-c I cannot work now b/c of foot swelling, back pain, and ankle pain. I work as a nurse for the handicapped and elderly, and do everything from medication to bathing/moving, cooking, cleaning, dressing.. I'm out of work. I'm having a c-section to prevent the VERY real risk(around 70% possibility) of vaginal tearing, and THAT will put me out of work and my regular life EVEN LONGER, and SCAR me, RISK GANGRENE. My day is fucking SWELL, eh? Ever been pregnant, bitchboy? Have you? Given birth? -c
@ryddelwearsahat Oh, poor you, sitting on your ass, not having to do any work. Listen, you little baby, what you've described isn't that bad. Stop with the drama, pregnancy isn't that bad; you dont have to work, you can sit at home, and at least half of what you've described is EMOTIONAL complication. You think you've got it bad? I'm so stressed out, I cant even remember anything anymore.
-c I was on birth control and it failed. I was horrified when I found out i was pregnant, despite being married, and secure- i did consider abortion just b/c I truly don't feel I'm ready, but I went along w/ it b/c I adore my husband to pieces and b/c I don't NEED an abortion like many other women and teens DO, like I did at 14. Yeah, I aborted at 14- self-induced a miscarraige that almost killed me. I'm proud of my choice and FUCK anyone who THINKS they know why I did it. Go ahead- tell me -c
@ryddelwearsahat You were on birth control, but obviously that does not remove all of the risk; by having sex AT ALL, you risk pregnancy without recourse, because recourse involves killing a person.
You had an abortion at 14? So, not only are you a liar, but also a whore and a murderer as well? Typical; the kind of people who support abortion are also those who just want to be able to sleep around without consequences. And, no, FUCK YOU; You are a criminal, a murderer, and a sleazebag.
-c WHY I aborted, and what I did it for- do what everyone else does and play god with MY personal history, nazi. No, consent to sex is NOT consent to parenthood, and this conversation is over b/c you are a control-freak nazi who cannot even let other people THINK for themselves, let alone accept them using their bodies in their own ways. You are uneducated, prejudiced, controlling and anti-woman, and anti-sex and fucking anti-intelligence with the shit you spew. YOU are why abortion is LEGAL.
@ryddelwearsahat Typical pro-abortion idiocy; they have no argument, and so must accuse the anti-abortion crowd of naziism and wanting to control their lives. I suppose that making Murder illegal is controlling the murderer as well, huh? The REAL truth; despite what you WANT the truth to be; is that I CAN let people make their own choices, and in fact that is one of the main points of my philosophy, but if those choices violate the right to life of another human; that is the reason for society.
-c Birth complications/risks: vaginal/uterine tearing/scarring/ripping, incontinence, spinal/pelvic damage, nerve damage, hemmorhage, permanent hormonal changed/damages, diabetes, permanent emotional damages as previously listed.. the inability to keep a job if she performs labor, being forced into/out of a relationship, being pressured into keeping a child she cannot provide for to stay in/out of a relationship/remain in 'good graces' with family members, getting battered/kicked out, ect. -c
@ryddelwearsahat She consented to risk facing those problems, most of which she wont, when she took part in activity that would have a chance of leaving her pregnant; unprotected, contraceptive-less sex. Even with contraceptives, there is still a small chance of becoming pregnant, and so whenever she has sex, she by definition must agree to all of the risks involved; if she doesn't, then she should not have sex.
-c off of NEED, not just killing to kill. If a fetus puts a woman at risk or if she is forced to assume responsibility for it when she does not want to, then killing it is fine b/c it cannot be removed or adopted until after birth, AFTER 9 months of physical slavery and emotional, physical, hormonal changes that affect literally EVERY aspect of that conscious, feeling. ACTUAL PERSON'S life. The proof is in brain biology. Denying brain biology and the fact that personhood DEVELOPS is an insult -c
@ryddelwearsahat First, if the fetus puts the person at risk, then the mother agreed to take that risk when she became pregnant; second, if she does not want to look after the fetus, then she should not have engaged in activity which would have made her so. Third, It is NOT physical slavery, because the Fetus does not OWN the mother, and those changes were consented to by the mother. Brain Biology? I am not denying that they develop; i am denying that they need to DEVELOP their own humanity.
-c Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood- if it is, then you deny the very existence and intent behind birth control, EVEN ADOPTION. What is love-making, fucking masturbation, fetishes, porn? Rape, pedophilia, homosexuality, zoophilia, prostitution? Sex is about more than making more humans and denying that is an insult to,... fuck, biology, history, psychology.. If I have sex and use birth control, does that mean I'm trying to PREVENT pregnancy? Are you telling me I WANT kids ANYWAY?
@ryddelwearsahat Consent to Sex is Consent to RISK BECOMING PREGNANT; Even with birth control, contraceptives, etc., there is a small chance of becoming pregnant, but if you do not want to take the risk at all, then you should abstain from sexual activity. Also, consent to parenthood is not DEPENDENT on consent to sex; but, if you have sex, then you, by taking risks that may make you a parent, you also agree to consent to parenthood. If you use birth control, then there is still the risk.
@someguy018 Also, risk is meaningless. When you drive in a car, you 'accept the risk' of getting in a wreck.. but does anyone who 'accepts that risk' have to 'grin and bear it' and DIE or suffer getting crippled if they get in a wreck, despite having 'accepted the risk'? NO- they have RECOURSE. They can FIX THE PROBLEM. Even people who use illegal rugs and OD or drunk-drive and get in accidents are given RECOURSE. Abortion is no different. Saying otherwise is just stupid and illogical.
@ryddelwearsahat When you accept the risk involved in those activities, you are able to get recourse without KILLING AN INNOCENT HUMAN BEING. The difference between sexual intercourse and driving a car is that, with driving, you are able to fix the problem without committing a crime; when you have sex, and therefore risk pregnancy, you also agree that there can be no recourse, because to change your mind would be to commit murder. To deny this is lunacy.
-c to every human being on the planet, an insult to science, to medicine, is denial of what makes us the advanced race/species we are, is a denial of half the medical knowledge we have that aids us in understanding psychology, neurology, brain biology. Human and human being are two different things, in two different contexts. A fetus is human dna, but it is not a living, feeling being. If you or i go into a vegetable-like state and someone else is forced to pick up the slack, our rights and -c
@ryddelwearsahat I am not denying that higher consciousness is what makes human beings special; I am denying that it is what makes us human. A human, or human being, is something that fits the biological definition; consciousness is completely irrelevant. Also, fetuses are living, and the only reason that they aren't feeling is because they are physically underdeveloped; the presence that allows them to feel is still there.
@someguy018 My foot is human- it has human dna, but it cannot think and is not a person, or a complete human. My brain does that and is what makes me a human being, a person, is what gives me my soul. Uh, if a fetus is physically underdeveloped and cannot feel, how can it still feel? 0o; Contradict yourself much? I don't care is a fetus is alive- my foot is living cells too. Same explanation given about the brain.
@ryddelwearsahat You did not follow my definition; i said a living creature of the human genome and with human DNA. A foot is not an INDEPENDENT, LIVING CREATURE, and the DNA it possesses is that of the creature it makes up. You have also twisted around what i've said before; I said that the PRESENCE that gives it the ability to be able to feel, even if it does not possess the physical development to do so, is still there. I am NOT contradicting myself, you are twisting around what i say.
@someguy018 A fetus is sure as hell NOT independent. It is attached to, inside of, PART of the woman until it is born. It needs her body to sustain it's life- HER blood, HER oxygen, HER sustenance. It is, at best, a parasite in it's current state. It is NOT independent. Try again, this time with the truth. Oh, wait.. this conversation is done- you are a liar and a control-freak who cannot allow a person their own fucking OPINIONS about their own fucking SEX LIFE. Go. Hng. Urself. lol.
@ryddelwearsahat Obviously, by independent, i mean SEPARATE; It is a separate creature, and is NOT a part of the woman, that would be like saying that someone is PART of their life control. It may need her resources, but the fact that it can dies, independently of the mother, shows that it IS independent. And, how dare you call the fetus a parasite? You mentally ill, depraved little freak. I AM using the truth, I HAVE been using the truth, just not YOUR truth; which is, lies.
@ryddelwearsahat Do the world a favor and die, you whore; If you EVER act on your threat to me, I swear to god I will inflict so much pain onto you that you would wish you were dead; If your baby dies, it's your fault for forcing me to act in self defence.
I would punch you until my knuckles bleed; then i would kick you till i couldn't stand anymore; then I would take a knife and remove your digits, one by one, working my way up to your nipples, eyes, ears, tongue, and finally neck.
-c consent is legally handed over to our next of kin, unless we are a john/jane doe and thus the government takes responsibility and the guvna won't pull the plug, but a relative or spouse has the right to. Your rights stop where another's begin.. and the woman was already there, was already conscious and an individual, the fetus is the exact opposite. Also, killing is perfectly elgal to protect oneself or one's property- lethal force against: rape, kidnapping, assault, carjacking, burglary.
@ryddelwearsahat Our legal rights and consent may be given to a relative, but that does not change the fact that i still have an unalienable right to life; If they pull the plug, they have committed murder. Also, the fetus's rights and the mothers' rights are equal, as they are both human beings, and thus are entitles equal rights; Whether the woman is a conscious individual is irrelevant. I know that killing is legal for self defense, but abortion is NOT self-defense.
@someguy018 If you don't want to die, put that in your living will and your family will have to resign rights. But a fetus cannot consent or do or think anything- it is developing meat, and can only POTENTIALLY be a person, IF ALLOWED at an ACTUAL person's expense- and if it is unwilling, then fuck potentiality- you should care about ACTUALITY. Imposing the image of a cutesy born baby over a developing meat-shell in order to care for it and to de-value an actual woman is insanity.
@ryddelwearsahat A fetus may not be able to consent; but that is just if it wants to RESIGN those rights; it still possesses unalienable rights. And, that person AGREED to risk to pay that expense without recourse when she engaged in sexual activity. Also, the Fetus IS an ACTUAL human being. And, no, I am NOT valuing one over the other, they are both equal human being, I am valuing one's right to LIFE over the other's right to PROPERTY.
@someguy018 Stop talking to me. You are not going to change my mind- just piss me off more. If i met you in person I'd knock your teeth out for your incessant ASSumption that YOU know more about MY thoughts, personal histories, and choices than i do. If you cannot accept that different people have different opinions and reasons for doing what they do, you have no right to speak for others or decide what they can/cannot do. You share opinions with the nazis.
@ryddelwearsahat No, YOU stop slinging your hypocritical bullshit around. I'm the control freak? I want to control peoples' lives? YOU want to be allowed to MURDER a human being; THAT is controlling their lives, you fuck up, not the other way around. Oh, YOU'D knock MY teeth out? That's fucking hilarious. I would punch your fucking lights out, i dont care if you're pregnant or a woman or not, i would smash my knuckles against you face so hard it would pop your fucking eye.
@ryddelwearsahat I do NOT claim to know ANYTHING about you, you fucking liar. Once again, you put words in my mouth, lie, and try to say that the truth is something it isn't. I can accept that people have different opinions, moron, that is FREE SPEECH. I don't CLAIM to want to decide things for people, if you READ MY FUCKING COMMENTS YOU WOULD KNOW THAT, YOU WORTHLESS, LYING PIECE OF HORSE-SHIT. I do NOT share my opinion with the nazis; the nazis KILLED PEOPLE FOR NO REASON.
@ryddelwearsahat You mentally unstable fuck-up, i should have known you would make this violent. Typical liberal, first you deny the rights of a human being, then you threaten to harm any who disagree with you.
You would NOT punch my teeth out, I would smash your fucking arm. You know why? Because you're a weakling; both mentally and physically; and because I am 5'8" and weigh 140 lbs; hardly any of which is fat.
If you threaten ME, or MY FAMILY, I can, and WILL, kill you; painfully.
@someguy018 Christ i lol'd. YOU are the one who kept telling ME what I thought and wanted.. You cannot STAND the idea of someone thinking differently from you. You have to impose your wants, desires, and opinions directly into the fucking MINDS of people around you- god, you're like.. a fucking thought-nazi. You can't even let other people decide why they have sex.. so now you have to be an internet tough-guy and talk shit b/c i want to hit your bitch-ass.. FUCK I lol'd heartily. Grow up.
@ryddelwearsahat Once again, I do NOT claim to want to control the minds of people around me, but i DO claim to wish to disprove people who disagree with me with logic and reason. I NEVER told you what you thought or wanted, this is a lie as well.
I see now that you are so mentally unstable that you cannot even comprehend the world around you... Schizophrenia? Alzheimers? Drugs? Regardless of what it is, I will NOT let you harm me, and if you do, I WILL harm you. BAD.
@someguy018 Your logic is horrendously flawed if you think all consent to sex is consent to parenthood. The very existence of birth control, abortion, ADOPTION chop that idea all to hell. IF you are against abortion b/c consent to sex is consent to parenthood, then you should be against ADOPTION TOO, for the SAME reason- you spread your legs, YOU CLEAN UP THE MESS LOL. But apparently THAT is not photogenic, so you have to deny that shit. Get a grip, let it go, and move on.
@ryddelwearsahat NO, You're logic is flawed is you try to DENY that consent to sex is consent to Risk Parenthood without Recourse. Birth control, contraceptives, etc. reduce that risk, but just because you dont want something, if you take the risk, you must stick with the consequences; and, in this case, there's no going back, because to do so would be to kill a human being.
Get a basic foothold in reality, THEN rethink your argument; stop with the stupidity and lies.
@ryddelwearsahat Um, no, I am NOT religious. I believe in the Lord and the Messiah, for logical reasons, but i do not believe in any of this idiotic bullcrap in the church today, like baptism, Mass, the Pope, Church Buildings, etc.
@someguy018 By the way, i only read your most recent post to me. 'youll kill me painfully'? CHRIST that is hilarious. You know literally NOTHING about law, biology, or even have a basic grasp on literacy- you try to change definitions and context and intent to suit YOUR OPINION as a FACT that is universal for all people and situations. Seriously- go study more history- you are JUST LIKE the damn nazis. If I disagree w/ you I'm mental or inferior or you need to 'instruct' me.. No, we just -c
@ryddelwearsahat HAH! Of course, you only read my most recent post. I know NOTHING about law, biology, or literacy? You're completely ignoring ALL of my posts, HAHAHA!!!! And, no, i tell the TRUTH about definitions, i give definitions from the dictionary, and I Base any Original Definitions on fact; despite all of your lies trying to deny this, THIS is the truth. I am in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY AT ALL like the Nazis. Stop with the lies, you freak.
@someguy018 Really? The nazis were pro-life too. They had pregnant aryan women detained, even strapped to hospital beds to 'protect the baby'. If an aryan woman aborted, she was either hung publicly or detained and raped repeatedly b/c it was her 'duty' and 'honor' and 'responsiblity' to make more children. Even if the woman was raped or faced medical risks, that fetus was infinitely more important than her 'convenience'. Also, they did this to lesbians too. FUCK pro'life'rs. They don't care.
@ryddelwearsahat The Nazis may have protected the baby, and gave just punishment for abortion (the hanging, not the rape) which is ONE GOOD THING that i can say about them, but the Nazis were also enemies to free speech, free property, and killed millions of people for no reason. Oh, and, yes, the fetus, and it's right to life, supersede that woman's right to property. The Nazis were socialists, which i am not.
@someguy018 WOW. Just wow. You.. have completely lost me.. you actually approve of execution in retaliation for women who have abortions? I.. am so glad we will never meet in person.. your name is not Scott Roeder by any chance, is it? You know- the psychopath who shot and killed Dr Tiller in a CHURCH? People like you.. are a serious danger to the free world, fre speech, and human rights. Oh, and just so you know- if someone tries to rape or kindap me, I can KILL them legally. My PROPERTY=KILL.
@ryddelwearsahat Um, yes, i believe in the administration of justice, in this case the killing of those who have violated an innocent person's right to life.And, no, my name is NOT Scott Roeder, although he was NOT a psychopath, and there was nothing wrong with what he did; the Abortionist did not have any right to life, because he violated the right to life of the fetuses. Therefore, he committed no crime.
People like me? You mean, people who believe in justice, logic, and reason?
@ryddelwearsahat And, raping and kidnapping is not the same as being pregnant; You property used by someone AT YOUR CONSENT = NO KILL. Abortion makes about as much sense as killing a person for having sex with you when you gave your consent.
@someguy018 Uh, you just keep repeating the same thing over and over again, and it goes in one ear and out the other. Just b/c there are risks, does not mean you have to accept them and die from them. We are allowed recourse, and abortion AND adoption are both logical, acceptable, moral forms of recourse if you get pregnant accidentally. IF adoption is safe, ready option, then it is taken. If not, then there is abortion. I am in support of both. Abortion is not murder, b/c a fetus is not a -c
@ryddelwearsahat Yes, i KNOW that you refuse to listen to my logic. I know that, in most cases, you do not have to accept risks and die from them, however; and this is a point which you have yet to come up with a logical argument against; pregnancy is different, because to deny the consequences is to murder a human being! You can have recourse and compensation for a car crash, but NOT for pregnancy; you dont have to kill someone to compensate them for physical injury.
@someguy018 Abortion is not equable to murder unless a woman has sex TO get pregnant and aborts for the sake of killing a fetus. Then she's just effing crazy, man. Unless a woman WANTS her child and gets killed, or assaulted and miscarries her WANTED child, it is not murder. B/c the fetus lacks it's own personhood, the woman has every right to extend or deny her own personhood status so long as it is inside of, attached to, part of her body.
@ryddelwearsahat A fetus is not a part of the woman; it is a separate, individual creature. It has it's own DNA, It's attachment is not permanent; It is a separate, individual being, with it's own soul.
@someguy018 What you are saying literally makes NO sense to me at ALL. It is not logical, it is laughable and insulting to me. You are doing nothing but pushing me farther from your opinion, and making me more and more glad I am pro-choice.
@ryddelwearsahat The reason it makes not sense to you is because you don't WANT it to make sense; I have made it very easy to follow my logic, and only a fool, such as yourself, could not understand. It IS logical, it is Serious, It is, above all, Obvious... I am doing nothing except proving that you are completely unable to see the truth.
-c person and CANNOT be due to it's lack of independence, self-awareness, and b/c of it/s placement. ALL of these factors, TOGETHER, render it equable to part of the woman's body. You cannot 'murder' a non-person. Consent to sex is consent to sex- if you use birth control, then by god you are NOT wanting kids and if the BC fails, you can abort or adopt at your leisure- it is your god-damn right as a free human being, and not as a sex-slave broodmare. If you cannot tell the fundamental -c
@ryddelwearsahat I have explained to you over and over and over again that the fetus IS an independent human being, independent meaning separate; in this case, Independent meaning SEPARATE. The fetus is a creature, and it has it's own DNA. Also, you have yet to prove that the fetus lacks the presence that gives it the ability to be self aware; i do not mean the physical ability, i mean the SUPERNATURAL PRESENCE. The fetus IS a person, it IS Independent, and (continued)
@someguy018 LOL context-play. If it was separate, it would not be in the woman's body and dependent upon it, solely, for survival for 9 months. Try again. LOL what supernatural presence- the soul, the personality? UH, BRAIN DEVELOPMENT. HERE, LINKS- USE THEM TO YOUR ADVANTAGE- GET AN EDUCATION: brainmind DAWT com /FetalBrai nDevelo pment DAWT html
@ryddelwearsahat Um, no, not necessarily, because being inside the woman and being sustained by it does NOT make it a physical PART of her. If someone is on life support, is he a part of the hospital he is in? I will not try again, beacuse I was right the first time, fool. And, what that website says actually supports my theory that a fetus still has a soul (not that it's relevant to being a human being), and that it is simply unable to show it due to UNDERDEVELOPMENT OF THE BRAIN.
@ryddelwearsahat (continued) it has it's OWN RIGHT TO LIFE. Consent to sex Is consent to sex; and Sex is taking a risk to become PREGNANT. If you use birth control, then there is still a chance that it can fail, and therefore you are still agreeing to RISK the possibility of pregnancy. It is NOT your right as a free human being to murder another human being whom you have given consent; nay, FORCED; to use your body as an incubator.
-c differences between a developing fetal shell and an actual thinking, feeling, living, breathing PERSON WITH A SOUL, the you are mentally fucked. You have no respect of value for medicine, for law, psychology, neurology, for HUMANITY ITSELF, if you can twist people's choices and deny them their own opinions so forcefully. YES, you ARe denying me my right to my own opinions, personal history, and free will- you are telling me why I had sex, and what I wanted from it. THAT is power-play, nazi.
@ryddelwearsahat Once again, you keep saying that a fetus does not have a soul, yet you GIVE NOT EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO SUPPORT THESE CONCLUSIONS. It is a human being, and all human beings have souls; just because you can't see the evidence of it being there, does not mean it doesn't exist. It is not developing a soul, it already has that, it is developing the physical ability to SHOW THAT SOUL. I am not denying you your opinions; i am denying you the ability to act on them, (continued)
@someguy018 Also- our 'self' develops about 6 months to a year-and-a-half AFTER birth- WELL after any need for abortion. You know.. when our cognitive ability to process information and store memory develops? The reason why none of us remember life en utero is b/c we are NOT THERE. Tell me this- if your ability to move, register touch, store information is based on your brain's development/function, and that necessary aprt of your brain does not exist or work yet, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU DO IT?!
@ryddelwearsahat NO, our 'Self", our 'soul', our 'awareness' is always present in the body. It just requires physical development and physical experience to be able to express itself, learn values, etc. The ability to store memory is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT; And, no, the reason we cant remember any of that is NOT because we're not there, but because we're BLIND and because our bodies are unable to store those memories! Are you REALLY unable to understand that? (continued)
@ryddelwearsahat I have NEVER SAID that you can't do it; you are either intentionally misunderstanding my statements, or are so stupid that you really cant understand. The PRESENCE that gives you the Ability to do it in the First place is ALWAYS THERE; however, it Also needs a physically developed body to SHOW ITSELF.
@ryddelwearsahat I am NOT telling you WHY you had sex, I have NEVER tried to tell you why; this is the latest lie from you. I am telling you the obvious risks that anyone who knows anything about sex can tell you. I hardly see how telling you that you have to respect another person's rights is naziism, and i hardly see how claiming control over a person's very LIFE is not.
@someguy018 I did not consent to parenthood when I had sex, fuckoff. You are telling me I did. You are saying all women do. You are wrong. I aborted at 14, I OBVIOUSLY did not consent to parenthood- yet you claim I did. SHUT THE FUCK UP about that retarded-ass bullshit and MOVE ON. I OBVIOUSLY disagree and so do a shit-ton of other women AND men- and the very existence of both abortion AND adoption, AND birth control negate that opinion completely. Swallow your pride and MOVE ON. GOD, you mule.
@ryddelwearsahat You, by definition, consented to risk parenthood when you had sex;you did so by taking action that resulted in you becoming pregnant.By taking action that may result in a result,you by definition agree to risk those results by preforming the action;do you understand, or are you still going to keep on denying the truth?If i take a knife and swing it down on my wrist, i am by definition consenting to chop my hand off, correct? You can deny it all you want; THIS is the truth, worm.
@ryddelwearsahat You, by definition, consented to risk parenthood when you had sex;you did so by taking action that resulted in you becoming pregnant.By taking action that may result in a result,you by definition agree to risk those results by preforming the action;do you understand, or are you still going to keep on denying the truth?If i take a knife and swing it down on my wrist, i am by definition consenting to chop my hand off, correct? You can deny it all you want; THIS is the truth, worm.
0-c plain=old DISAGREE with eachother, and you just don't like that. Not to mention, you are so deluded w/ pro'lif'e fear doctrine that you know NOTHING about fetology or sexuality.. go study the history of sex, man. Take a few courses in psychology, in neurology.. get a few degrees in medicine, law, and shit like I did. Get a better grasp of the world around you, and then maybe you won;t cling to such limited ideals and wishful-thinking and prejudice. You'll be happier and more intelligent.
@ryddelwearsahat Yes, i dont like that we disagree, because yuo dont base your opinions off of thought or logic; you just believe what will give YOU more power, you dictatorial asshole. Stop trying to illegitimatize my statements, stop lying, stop twisting around the truth, and WAKE THE FUCK UP. I'm the one clinging to wishful thinking? Yes, because that all huamn beings have rights is wishful thinking, huh?
So typical... you lose a battle of logic, so you resort to MORE) lies...
@someguy018 What POWER? The ability to stay the fuck ALIVE? Is survival is selfish and about power, then go kill yourself, man. EVERYONE that struggles to stay alive is as elfish, power-hungry asshole. YOUR rights stop when another's begin, and the reason rape and slavery is illegal and preventable by LEGAL KILLING, LETHAL FORCE, is the SAME reason abortion is legal.
@ryddelwearsahat YES, controlling whether someone survives or not IS exerting power over them; are you ACTUALLY trying to say that it ISN'T? Ha! And, no, the reason slavery and rape can be protected through lethal force is because those violate the rights of the victim; pregnancy doesn't, and even if it did, then it would be unjust for the woman to "protect herself" by killing the fetus, because the fetus is innocent as well.
@someguy018 Okay, starting over again- the reason your entire logic is flawed is b/c your OPINION is not a FACT, yet you are treating it like it is. I fuck my husband for pleasure, not to make more babies. When I fuck him now, even while pregnant, I do it for pleasure, not to get double-pregnant or w/e. After this child is born, I am never having kids again- I'll adopt, which, by the way, I and my husband are already fully-approved to do. IF I get pregnant again b/c my BIRTH CONTROL fails, I -c
@ryddelwearsahat Um, actually, m,y opinion IS fact, because my Opinions are based on Nothing BUT fact, and you have yet to prove me wrong. I am not saying that sex isn't for pleasure, I'm saying that when you have that pleasure, you are agreeing to take a risk to become pregnant without recourse.
-c abort, b/c IF I get pregnant, I know I have RECOURSE against those risks. I have OPTIONS which are perfectly moral, natural, and LEGAL. YOU can do nothing about it except insult me and my intelligence, and lie straight to my face about why I do or don't have sex, and what I intend to do if I accidentally get pregnant. So.. my pity goes out to you and everyone else whose brain is ASSaulted by your uneducated drivel. You belong in the stone age, where women are dragged by the hair and raped.
@ryddelwearsahatAnd no you do NOT haverecourse from that action because to take recourse from that action is to KILL A HUMAN BEING. You trulyare mentally ill arent you?Hah nothing except insult my intelligence? Whos theone who keeps calling me a Nazi instead of retorting logically?Whos theone who threatened to punchmy teeth out?You are the one who has given up all logic and who has resorted to childishness andinsults.Uneducated; I dont want to allow people to commit murder, so i am uneducated...
@ryddelwearsahat You belong back in Ancient times, when people's rights to life WEREN'T respected. You belong back in a time where logic and reason wasn't as common among people; other sheeple like you.
Although i can see that you tried very hard, you have failed to change the reality of the situation; that is, that I am right, that I am not a Nazi, that YOU are the one threatening me and insulting me, not the other way around, and that the Fetus DOES have the right to life.
@ryddelwearsahat Seeing how the fetus does not infringe on your property rights (since it is there with the mothers consent), and seeing as how the fetus's unalienable right to life is superior to the woman's right to property, and seeing as how the fetus has no say whatsoever in the matter and therefore cannot have his rights removed, Abortion is NOT the defense of person or property.
@someguy018 AGAIN with the LIES about 'consent'. Uh, if I wear a condom or swallow contraceptive pills, that is NOT consent to parenthood. That is saying NO THANK YOU. If anything mistakenly sets up camp there, it goes against my consent. See my previous posts and get the idea through your head, b/c if you are going to continuously lie straight to my face about what I do and don't consent to, this is done and you are a moron. Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood or acceptance of the RISK.
I'm not sexist or anything, but I'm totally against abortion. It's murder in disguise!
It takes away the rights of one human being to protect the so-called rights of others!
In cases of rape or something along those lines, I believe the best answer is adoption. Besides, the rape cases are an extreme minority group. In my opinion, the ONLY situation would be if HAVING THE BABY would kill the mother.
pelonproductions 9 months ago
your all going to hell
prodigywashere 10 months ago
@prodigywashere
If you're really Christian and believe that, I want to tell you that that's the wrong way to approach people on this kind of subject.
pelonproductions 9 months ago
Respond to me if you want, I will not respond back. You make me so glad that I aborted- genuinely HAPPY about it. You also do nothing for your case except push me further away, and make me more and more grateful for the education that I have and my lack of xtainity. You have no respect NOR understanding of neurology, legality, or basic biology and you are a completely broken record who cannot let people think for themselves when it comes to the most private of privates- sexuality. I have a -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
-c signle suggestion for you- if you want to know the circusmtnaces of my abortion, and why I did not have other options, I have a video- 'why i'm prochoice'. Watch it, and read to where I got pregnant and aborted. If you can actually swallow your own damn sexual frustration and pride enough to let someone else fuck or speak w/o needing your opinionated concurrence, I'll continue this. if not, you have lost long ago. The entire video covers all aspects of abortion rights and justifications.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
I have to go, I'll be back later or tomorrow. HOPEFULLY after reading up what I provided you, you will understand the development of the brain and thus personhood, the soul, w/e you want to call it, and have a little more respect and appreciation for your own body's complexity and development. If it's too much to handle, I can easily summarize it or point you to a few other links explaining various points. My education is mostly science and medicine, you know- degrees in neurology/psychology.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat First of all, I already understand personhood; and, are you accusing me of refusing to respect the complexity of the body? Have you completely ignored Every god-damn thing i've been saying to you this whole time? And, stop condescending to me, you bitch; the truth is that every single thing about the soul is irrelevant, because having a soul is NOT what makes you a human being. Even if it was, what you have provided simply supports my point that the only reason (continued)
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat (continued) that the fetus always possesses the supernatural presence that gives it the ability to use it's physical body to be self aware and cognitive, but that it's brain is just so underdeveloped that it is unable to show that presence.
Either way, this does not change the fact that the fetus is a human being; you can wish it wasn't all you want, but a human being the fetus is. It is a separate, individual creature with it's own deoxyribonucleic acid unique to it.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I truly do pray that, in the time you spend away, you wake up and see the truth; that the fetus is an individual creature, with it's own soul, body, and DNA. Saying that the fetus is a part of the Mother is just like saying that a tapeworm is part of the mother; By having sex, you agree to risk pregnancy without any possibility of turning back, and taking contraceptives simply reduces that risk. See sense, stop living in your fantasy world, and accept the truth.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Crap. It's all.. icy and shit. I'm not going anywhere. I will simply have to disagree with what you think. So will the majority of the free world. That is why abortion is legal, and continues to remain so. You'd be surprised how often people like you think what they believe in a fact and not a limited personal opinion. It was just as wrong to accept homosexuality, to accept black equality, women's rights to education/employment/voting, freedom of religion. You too will pass.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Very well, then; if you refuse to abandon your delusional beliefs, then i will not argue with you any further.
Also, how could you compare Black equality, Women's equality, and freedom of religion, to abortion? Those actually ensure the god-given rights of all people; abortion does the opposite.
Oh, and just because the majority of the free world supports abortion does not change the fact that it is wrong; morality and reality are not democracies.
Good bye.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 People had no rational proof, just opinions and 'moral structures' to combat these rights. Just like you have no actual proof. You have not given me a real explanation to anything- just repeated yourself w/ opinions, repeatedly. PROVE sex is only for reproduction, and that consent to sex is consent to parenthood.. But wait, you can't, b/c the very existence of birth control, abortion and even ADOPTION throw that idea all to hell b/c those are all stout REFUSALS to parenthood.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat No actual proof? Opinions? Have you been completely ignoring every single god-damn thing i've been saying this whole time?
First of all, I NEVER said that sex is JUST for reproduction. Consent to sex is consent to parenthood because parenthood is an obvious RISK to sex, and by having sex you are taking a chance to become pregnant. Birth control, as i've explained numerous times, is something that REDUCES that risk; Abortion is murder, so is illegitimate (continued)
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat(continued)And adoption is consent to parenthood WITHOUT consent to sex. Never have I said that you HAVE to have sex to agree to become a pregnant; you can consent to parenthood without having sex. However, you cannot consent to SEX without consenting to RISK PARENTHOOD.
Once again, just like all your comments before, this comment is filled with lies.
By having sex, you are taking a RISK to become pregnant.By taking precautions, you are just reducing that risk. (continued)
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat If you do NOT want to risk parenthood then you SHOULD NOT HAVE SEX
Consent to sex is consent to parenthood because pregnancy is an evident risk when having sex, because sex is had at the will of the mother and because any action to terminate the pregnancy is murder.Birth control is there to REDUCE that risk, but there is still a risk, and Abortion is murder, and so is not only irresponsible, but illegal and wrong.
I have said this all before, yet you choose to ignore it.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 If all consent to sex is consent to parenthood, why does birth control, abortion, and even adoption even exist? Why do people seek abortion or say they got 'accidentally' pregnant? Can you seriously deny like, 2 billion people in the world their reasons for having sex, not wanting children, getting abortions, and the very EXISTENCE of birth control, abortion, and adoption? Why do people who have sex & not want kids that get pregnant choose abortion, or adoption if they 'consented'?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Sex is still consent to parenthood, because Birth control only REDUCES the risk to become pregnant; because abortion is murder, and therefore illegitimate; and because adoption is still consent to parenthood, without sex. The thing which you're evidently too stupid to understand is that An evident risk of sex is pregnancy, that by preforming actions that take that risk you are by definition agreeing to risk that thing happening, and to back out should it happen is murder.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Just because you do not WANT kids does not change the fact that you preformed actions which resulted in the pregnancy happening; if you truly do not want the pregnancy, then don't have sex.
I am not saying that the ONLY reason for sex is procreation... yet another lie from you. What I said was that Pregnancy is a RISK that you take when having sex. If they later choose not to deal with the responsibility is irrelevant, because by preforming those actions, they consented.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Please answer these questions. I'd love to hear your answers. Do you think they just 'changed their minds' or were using birth control to find the 'strongest' sperm or eggs? Do they do it just TO have abortions, in your opinion? Why did I have sex at 14, have the guy wear a condom, and self-induce a miscarraige that almost killed me if i supposedly CONSENTED to becoming a parent?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Birth control is just reducing the risk of pregnancy; the risk is still there, and so, even by having sex with birth control, you are taking the risk. Just because you do not want something in this case is irrelevant; you intentionally preformed actions that you knew might result in that outcome. Actions speak louder than words. You are consenting to parenthood because YOU'RE THE ONE WHO GOT YOURSELF PREGNANT.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Even though you're a whore and had sex at 14,and even though you made the guy wear a condom does not change the fact that you still consented to have sex(although at a lower risk to become pregnant),that you knew that you might become pregnant,and that you not only allowed the action which resulted you becoming pregnant to take place, but you PARTICIPATED. Even if you do not WANT the pregnancy, and later murder your child, does not change the fact that YOU GOT YOURSELF PREGNANT.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 LOL I laughed. I had sex at 14 to try to hide the pain of being abused violently at home, and to hide the pain and shame of CPS refusing to help me, despite seeing bruises on half my face. I didn't do it to feel good or look cool- i thought it would cover up the abuse. Also, birth control is used to prevent pregnancy. I did not even think a condom could or would break. I thought that shit worked. My school did not have sex ed AT ALL except abstinence-only. Now, I continue.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat So, you had a shitty life as a kid, that does not change the fact that you are a whore and a murderer.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Still with the insults? Running out of gas now, or what? Insulting me and wishing it were true does nothing but make you look like an even bigger pretentious nutjob than you already are. Would it please you if I called you an uneducated prude-faggot who hates women? No? And I wouldn't.. b/c insulting eachother is pointless and just makes us look like asses. Your reasons are nonfactual. Personhood derives from independence and brain function, not basic DNA. Your opinion is not -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat What do you mean, still with the insults? You have been insulting me this whole god-damn time, and if you had read the damn comment you would see that I am still winning this argument; don't forget, YOU were the one who threatened to "knock my teeth out", So don't try to look like you're mature, because you're not. No, it wouldn't please me if you did that, because that would be completely incorrect.
My reasons are 100% Factual, and I have explained HOW they are factual.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c supported by law AT ALL around 90% of the /free/ world. Fetuses and the braindead can be terminated legally. So can the comatose. Change all those laws first then get back to me. No, women can only give up a child for adoption once it is born- there is no uterus-adoption. Study a little more law and basic biology and practice in adoption, please. ARRANGEMENTS can be made, but the fetus does not get adopted until it is born. Parenthood can be relinquished through adoption or abortion, or by -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat That's what I, and other people who oppose murder, are trying to change; they are still human beings, and have a right to life, the same as you or me. Also, those laws existences do not change the fact that Abortion is wrong.
Also, when the fuck did I ever say anything about Uterus adoption? You're putting words in my mouth, yet again, as I expected. What I said was, Even if they put up their child for adoption, then the child was still, at one point, in the woman's uterus.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You keep on trying to tell me that what I'm saying isn't fact, but if you would just read my god-damn posts, and use your common sense, you would see that they ARE. You've been the one twisting around my words this whole time; You tried to tell me that i was talking about Uterus adoption, when in fact, what i said was that even if the parent puts the child up for adoption, they were still AT ONE TIME pregnant with it. Stop twisting around my words, and stop trlling lies.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Do you want me to give you a definition of "Parent?" Here it is, from wordnetweb: "a father or mother; one who begets or one who gives birth to or nurtures and raises a child; a relative who plays the role of guardian"
"Beget" means to conceive. Therefore, even if someone has an abortion, or even if they put their child up for adoption, then they were still a parent; even if your child dies in the womb, you're still a parent. It is impossible to relinquish parenthood.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Parent has different contexts.. I consider parent in the context of.. parenting, not being an DNA donor. Adoption does relinquish parenthood- someone else does the job. If not, then what is adoption? Please tell what adoption is if it is not, in fact, someone else stepping in and playing parent to an unwanted child? I could say the same thing right back to you- re-read my posts or stop talking to me. Either you are deliberately not acknowledging what I say, or you are stupid.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat But you still beget the child, correct? Therefore, you are still a parent; in the sense that the father or mother of a 40 year old billionaire are still his parents. They beget him.
If someone steps in and adopts a child, then HE/SHE is a parent as well; however, the biological parents are still the child's parents, simultaneously.
I have carefully read every single comment you have read, and I can see that they are wrong.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 In that sense, yes. But that is not the point or context- the context of adoption I am speaking of is you refuse parenthood and have someone else do the job for you. You cannot do that UNTIL AFTER the child is born. Before birth adoption is not an option and has nothing to do with abortion. With an UNWANTED pregnancy it is do, or abort. Do or die. If you cannot handle the pregnancy, then abortion is perfectly moral b/c there are no other options. Get it now?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat If you cannot handle the pregnancy, then the pregnant woman should not have gotten pregnant in the first place. And, just because she may not be able to handle the pregnancy, does not mean that she should be allowed to murder an innocent human being.
Never is it not an option to maintain a pregnancy.
If it was going to put her at risk or if she were otherwise unable to handle the pregnancy, then she should not have taken action which resulted in her pregnancy.
You see?
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 But, consent to sex is not consent to parenthood. When I fuck my husband, it is for pleasure, not to make a child. This child itself is an accident, you know. If you use birth control, then getting pregnant is not your fault b/c the contraceptive failed to do what it was designed, intended to do- prevent pregnancy. You cannot say sex is consent to parenthood, end of line, b/c that is an outright lie, and denial, a rejection, of other independent people's intentions and actions. Void.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Since parenthood (in the sense of begetting) is a direct result and risk of sex, if you have sex, you are consenting to parenthood. If you preform an action, then you are by definition accepting all possible results because you caused them to happen, regardless of your intent.
Contraceptives can fail,and so by taking one,you are reducing the risk, not eliminating it.Your current pregnancy is a perfect example.
By taking an action you automatically consent to the outcome.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Yes, you accept the possibility, but there is also recourse. Driving in a car is risky, driving drunk even more so- yet you still get medical treatment, right? Abortion is no different. Denying that is like, denying half the people in the world their personal histories/actions/intentions, & is just not possible, logical, or factual. I reject that entirely, and the very existence of abortion, contraception, and adoption all reject that. Get over it- that's your personal opinion ONLY.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I have explained to you before how there can be no just recourse, because to take recourse would be to murder an innocent human being. Unwanted pregnancy is no the same as breaking you arm; getting your arm in a cast does not kill a person.
Abortion is unjust, contraception is not perfect, and adoption does not change the fact that you had, at one time, been pregnant and have given birth.
This is FACT, and that you do not accept that is wrong.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Ah, but abortion is not murder b/c a fetus is not a person. Human dna, but not a person. You cannot murder a non-person. Killing is perfectly legal- in self-defense.. that is lethal force. Abortion can be classified as such, only no actual persons are killed. Let it go, man- I'm repeating myself and this is tiresome. I aborted at 14, I'm happy as fuck with that decision- if you are against that, then you are against the child developing i my womb NOW, that will be KEPT. Are you?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat And, as I have explained to you before, the fetus IS a person, because it still possesses the SOUL that gives it the ability to become intelligent in the first place.
Having a fetus in your womb is NOT assault. And, even if it is a violation of your property rights, the fetus is still innocent, and cannot be punished. The one who should be punished is, in the case of rape, the one who FORCED you to be a mother; the rapist.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Soul is personality, personality is not even capable of developing until well AFTER birth, so that is incorrect as well. Follow basic brain biology please. Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law- ever heard that line before? Innocent or guilty, the fetus still puts the woman at risk, the woman was pre-existing and w/o consent it is wrong. Also, abortion is not about punishment, so that context goes out the window entirely. Try THAT again, too, please. God, this debate blows.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Soul is the metaphysical presence that allows a creature of appropriate physical makeup to express personhood.
Just because a fetus lacks personality, doesn't mean that the metaphysical presence that gives it it's personality is still there, even if it is physically incapable of expressing it.
How do i know this? Well, a soul is a direct part of being a human being. Be being a human being, you have a soul. Having a soul is not a REQUIREMENT of personhood; it is a result.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Metaphysical cannot be proved and thus falls out the window. Religion has no place in law in america. That bites it. You fail so hard and no wonder.. you're a friggin jesus freak, lol.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Metaphysical cannot be proved?
Metaphysical existence, our metaphysical programming, if you will, must exist; If we did not have a soul, we would be alive, but unable to function; we would not be able to willingly move our arms or legs.
THAT is what I mean when i say the metaphysical.
You mind showing me where, physically, our independence and ingenuity is kept?
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Since people's intentions are illegitimate to the universe, if you do something which results in the pregnancy, and therefore caused it to happen, you still caused yourself to be pregnant.
If I play Russian roulette, I am consenting to risk blowing my brains out, right? Even if I don't WANT to, or even if it is not my intention to blow my brains out, there is still a risk that that is what will happen, and so by doing so, I consent to that risk, i FORCE that risk on myself.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Next point in support of forced-birth, AKA pro'life' AKA reproductive slavery, AKA rape? I've yet to lose a single argument- the best anyone can do as yet is resort to insults, accusations, or just start repeating themsleves like a skipping record and refuse to accept that their personal opinions are not worldwide FACTS.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat It is NOT forced birth; the government is not forcing women to become pregnant, right? It is just forcing women to stick by their choice. They're the ones who decided to risk having to give birth by having sex at all. In the case of rape, there is still an innocent human being who nobody has the right to kill.
Saying that you do not have the right to kill someone is NOT reproductive slavery; if I wanted to FORCE you to become pregnant, it would be, but i don't. (continued)
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Do you think the child i carry now should not exist? If you are against abortion, then you are against this child right now. You are also thusly against all children women have after aborting unwanted children- especially if those unwanted pregnancies would have prevented them from getting/retaining education/stable jobs/relationships/health ect.. thus directly leading to wanted, planned supportable, supportED children alter.. should those kids not exist? Should mine not exist?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Umm... what? That doesn't make sense, why should the child you're currently carrying not exist because you've had an abortion in the past?
someguy018 1 year ago
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@ryddelwearsahat You have, literally, never won a SINGLE argument that you have made against me, and you have not made a SINGLE valid point that i have disproven.
You say that WE have to accept that our opinions are not fact? My Opinions are based on fact, logic, and reason; logic and reason which you have yet to disprove.
Abortion is murder, Contraceptives are not perfect, and Adoption does not change that you were at one point pregnant and have given birth; all of those are illegitimate.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Your opinions outright deny my my own opinions and actions and intentions- they basically say things in my life did not happen or that I did things I did for completely different reasons.. by rejecting me the fact that I had sex for pleasure and did not consent to parenthood and thus had an abortion b/c I did not consent to parenthood quite obviously. You can't have it both ways and you are trying to. I had the guy wear a condom- that was a REJECTION of parenthood, not consent. FAIL.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat NO, I am saying that they wre WRONG.
I am not aying that abortion is impossible, I am saying that it is wrong, illegitimate, and murder.
You DID consent to parenthood when you had se at 14 because It is a direct result of what you did; you CONSENTED to risk that pregnancy.
And,if someone gets into a car,he may have repurcussion because he is not committing murder,but he is still consenting to risk getting into an accident,right?
If he doesn't,then he shouldn't drive.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Should the child I carry now not exist, then? Since it's existence is only possible thanks to the aboriton I had at 14? Please tell me. Your logic=YOU don't need to drive a car ever again then either, eh? Do you drive a car? What if someone else rams you- is it your fault, should you go w/o treatment, insurance payoff or lawsuit? =) It goes both ways, un. You're a hypocrite. Also, I did not consent to pregnancy. Telling me what i think and feel makes you a brain-nazi. Die plz.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat What? What the hell are you talking about? How is the child that you're carrying's existence dependent on that abortion you had?
And, no, I WILL drive a car, but i also agree to ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY if an accident happens. I also agree to risk other peoples' stupidity, and to risk being injured.
The DIFFERENCE is that i can have recourse, unlike with pregnancy.
I am NOT telling you what you think, you fucking liar. YOU stop telling me what I believe.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 B/c w/o that abortion I'd probably have been killed, if not rendered homeless or thus forced to keep and raise an unwanted child on the street or what have you. I would not have been able to hold out under the tyranny of my abusive household, or paid for my college education, gotten the job I had, or met and married the man who has fathered this child w/o that course of events. Answer my question, please, and don't play shit with me. This one, or that one? =) Support or struggle?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat If that was what would have happened, then you should NOT HAVE HAD SEX IN THE FIRST PLACE.
That, or you could have given the child to an orphanarium.
The thing you're forgetting is this; you had complete control over the situation. You could have not had sex and never had that abortion, but you chose to risk it.
And, the idea that we don't have a metaphysical soul depends on the assumption that we have no real ingenuity or independence.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Having the guy wear a condom REDUCES the risk of parenthood. Using contraceptives REDUCES the risk of parenthood.
None of that changes the fact that you had sex, and therefore FORCED yourself to agree to all possible consequences; one of them, pregnancy, had no recourse.
EPIC FAIL.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Everything you say is circular and biased and only half-true IF that. On top of that, you feel the incessant repetitive need to tell ME what /I/ think and feel, why I did the things I did and you refuse me my own god-damn opinions by telling me I consented to parenthood when I keep telling you I did not. People like you are the reason abortion is and will remain legal- you have nothing but aborted(LOL PUNS) opinionations and the urge to dictate others down to their very thoughts.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat It is NOT circular, it is TRUE. Stop trying to say it is circular when it isn't.
I am NOT telling you what you think or feel, THAT IS A LIE.
I am NOT dictating your thoughts; i say you should not be allowed to murder, therefore i control your thoughts?
What sense does that make?
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Oh fucking A- this is done. You're illiterate, cannot grasp basic context and intention, and have thus far broken-record told ME how I think and feel about my own damn sex life to support YOUR intentions and wishful thinking. You know.. I am genuinely tempted to have an abortion now, safely and legally, just to spite literally every pro'life'rs on the face of the earth.. I have been for about, oh, 3 months now. And you know- you couldn't do shit about it, nazi. Stop talking to me.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I'm illiterate? You're the one who cannot comprehend basic logic, reason and fact.
You constantly lie about reality and what i say;
You DENY responsibility that you willingly took;
You MURDER innocent children;
And you DENY other people their humanity based on assumption.
Once again, you lie about what i say. This has been an integral part of your argument; twisting around my words.
Nazis were left on the political spectrum, and i am right... i am not a nazi.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c What you say about sex consent and birth control and adoption are turned around or leave important parts out. Also, you ignore what I said about acceptance of RISK- that people have RECOURSE if something accidental happens and they don't like it. A fetus is not a person and cannot be 'murdered' b/c you cannot 'murder' a non-person. It is not a person b/c personhood comes not from DNA but from brain activity. Which is the braindead do not have personhood, and the comatose go either way. -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat First of all, no, they don';t leave important things out. Second, I did NOT ignore what you said about Recourse; I explained to you that there IS no recourse from pregnancy, because the only recourse involves murdering an innocent child. A Fetus IS a person, for the reasons I have given, and so can be murdered. No, personhood does NOT come out of brain-activity; personhood comes out of being a human being.
The braindead ARE people and it is still wrong to kill them.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c If forced acceptance of risk were applicable, then adoption would not be an option for women who 'accidentally' get pregnant- they'd be legally forced to KEEP unwanted kids, not abort OR adopt them for the same reasons you yourself explained.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat No, because when women put their children up for adoption, they were still pregnant; and, since they gave birth, they are still a parent.
Pregnancy and Parenthood; giving birth to the child; are the risks involved with pregnancy. Raising the child, however, can be averted by putting the child up for adoption. They are still parents, And If they do not want to RAISE the child, then they can put it up for adoption. There is no recourse for pregnancy, directly, however.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c the state's interference if you prove to lack parental ability and are abusing or neglecting your child. You have nothing but cherry-picked 'facts' mixed with lies and personal opinions- if you told the truth and the WHOLE truth, and nothing BUT the truth, you'd be singing a WAY different tune. This debate is done- law, science, society, and history all say the exact opposite of what you are claiming. Thank GOD for EDUCATION.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Adoption does not relinquish parenthood, because the parent still had to have given birth,therefore making her a parent;Abortion is murder and therefore illegitimate;and state interference to remove your child does not change the fact that, if you gave birth to the child they took, then you ARE STILL A PARENT.
I have explained time and time again how what I'm saying is fact; you have not given a SINGLE Valid reason for a lie i've told,And to say that I'm uneducated is wrong.
someguy018 1 year ago
@Andrew598895 Person and human are two different things entirely. Human is dna, person is self-awareness and mental presence, opinions, memories. A fetus lacks personhood.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Not necessarily; would you say that someone in a coma, who is mentally defective, or who was born asleep and who has never woken up, aren't persons?
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 If they were born unconscious and could not wake up, no, it is not a person, it is a vegetable. Comatose humans go either way, depending on the chances of waking/brain activity, and mental defect varies as well- is it plain old retardation, or anencephaly?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Yes, it IS a human. That you would deny that someone is a human being simply because they have never been conscious, and never will be, is appalling, absurd, and ridiculous. Just because someone is in a vegetative state does not change the fact that they fit the definition of and are human beings, and are entitled to the same rights as any other human being alive.
If i just walked past the aforementioned born-unconscious person, would it be okay for me to murder him?
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Where, exactly, did I say a fetus was not human? Human, human BEING, person, alive, and conscious do NOT all mean the same thing, man. No, what is appalling is your lack of literary understanding, your inability to grasp and utilize context, and your delusion that image is all we are. We are not people b/c of our fucking skinbags- we are people BECAUSE OF OUR SOULS, OUR SELF-AWARENESS. A fetus is a developing human- not a thinking, feeling, actual person. Respect your own biology.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Lack of Literary understanding? A Human and a Human Being, when used as nouns, ARE the same thing; to deny this is a show of complete ignorance on your part.
PROVE to me that fetuses do not have souls, even though all human beings do when they're born. For all we know, the soul is still there, but it is unable to show itself due to a lack of ability on the undeveloped fetus's part. The thing that enables it to think and feel is still there. Prove that it isn't.
someguy018 1 year ago
What I said has nothing to do with our image. What I said, despite all your attempts to skew it into something that it's not, is that ALL HUMAN BEINGS have a god-given right to life. A Fetus is still a human being. Therefore it has the right to life regardless of its awareness. If I am put into a vegetative state, I still have the right to life; for you to take it from me then is an injustice. and would make void your right to life. The same goes for the never-awake person and the fetus.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Just as in the person who well never be awake, you cannot PROVE that the ability to be conscious is there. However, would you say that there would be nothing wrong with killing that person, whatsoever?
All human beings have something that gives them the ability to be self-aware; that is a unique attribute that humans possess. However, what proof do you have that the fetus does NOT possess that attribute that gives them the ABILITY to be aware, unique to all human beings?
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat That you would deny the rights of a human being who was born asleep and will never be awake shows a complete disrespect for human life. The truth is that the Sleeping person is a human BEING, that the fetus is a human BEING and that their biological characteristics are all the definition required to know that they have rights as well
As ive said before since all stages of human life outside of fetushood have shown an ability to be self-aware you must PROVE that fetuses arent.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 No, I would deny their personhood if their existence put another person at personal risk or if someone else would be literally FORCED to assume responsibility for them, which is not usually the case. Very rarely do the comatose or braindead come into this situation. Fetuses lack personhood? Easy.
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ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat How does the fetus put another person at risk? It doesn't; it's the fetus's right to LIFE held against the mothers' "right" to convenience. Second, the Mother is not FORCED to assume responsibility of the fetus; the mother is the one who takes action which results in her pregnancy; it was her choice. Very rarely do the comatose or braindead come into this situation? Neither do fetuses, yet they both cost resources to maintain.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Lol rape is 'inconvenient' too in the sense that it does not KILL you, just fuck up your day, huh? Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood- if it is, then why do people use birth control? To find the 'strongest' sperm or egg? Funny. A fetus puts the woman carrying it at risk with all the regualr risks that accompany pregnancy, not to mention social risks, financial risks, hormonal/emotional/physical complications, PTSD, depression, suicidal tendencies, anxiety, and hm.. -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat How does pregnancy fuck up your day? You are over exaggerating pregnancy and making it sound like something it's not; it may be hard, but it isn't torture. Consent to sex is consent to TAKE A RISK to become pregnant; you reduce or eliminate that risk by using contraceptives. The fetus puts the mother at risk, but she CONSENTED to risk taking those risks when she agreed to take part in activity that left her pregnant.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 I AM PREGNANT. Almost 6 months in now. MY FEET SWELL, I EAT LIKE A HORSE. The heartburn makes me puke and fucks up my mood. I have back pain, tit pain. I cry randomly, I get SUPER pissed randomly. I fart all the time, maternity clothes makes me feel ugly and fat as hell and are expensive. The baby kicks up a storm and it FUCKING HURTS now. It made me PUKE at an expensive social dinner, right at the table it kicked so hard, hurt bad enough. i'm NEVER doing this again, TRUST ME. -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Oh, poor you, having mood swings, throwing up, and having pain; we ALL have pain. I have broken my right arm, which took two weeks to heal, and i recently sprained my ankle, which left me unable to walk for a month. I suffer head-splitting headaches that literally make me unable to do anything other thatn try to go asleep to make it go away. The difference? I NEVER consented to my headaches, even if i did consent to take risks when i broke my arm and sprained my ankle.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c I cannot work now b/c of foot swelling, back pain, and ankle pain. I work as a nurse for the handicapped and elderly, and do everything from medication to bathing/moving, cooking, cleaning, dressing.. I'm out of work. I'm having a c-section to prevent the VERY real risk(around 70% possibility) of vaginal tearing, and THAT will put me out of work and my regular life EVEN LONGER, and SCAR me, RISK GANGRENE. My day is fucking SWELL, eh? Ever been pregnant, bitchboy? Have you? Given birth? -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Oh, poor you, sitting on your ass, not having to do any work. Listen, you little baby, what you've described isn't that bad. Stop with the drama, pregnancy isn't that bad; you dont have to work, you can sit at home, and at least half of what you've described is EMOTIONAL complication. You think you've got it bad? I'm so stressed out, I cant even remember anything anymore.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c I was on birth control and it failed. I was horrified when I found out i was pregnant, despite being married, and secure- i did consider abortion just b/c I truly don't feel I'm ready, but I went along w/ it b/c I adore my husband to pieces and b/c I don't NEED an abortion like many other women and teens DO, like I did at 14. Yeah, I aborted at 14- self-induced a miscarraige that almost killed me. I'm proud of my choice and FUCK anyone who THINKS they know why I did it. Go ahead- tell me -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You were on birth control, but obviously that does not remove all of the risk; by having sex AT ALL, you risk pregnancy without recourse, because recourse involves killing a person.
You had an abortion at 14? So, not only are you a liar, but also a whore and a murderer as well? Typical; the kind of people who support abortion are also those who just want to be able to sleep around without consequences. And, no, FUCK YOU; You are a criminal, a murderer, and a sleazebag.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c WHY I aborted, and what I did it for- do what everyone else does and play god with MY personal history, nazi. No, consent to sex is NOT consent to parenthood, and this conversation is over b/c you are a control-freak nazi who cannot even let other people THINK for themselves, let alone accept them using their bodies in their own ways. You are uneducated, prejudiced, controlling and anti-woman, and anti-sex and fucking anti-intelligence with the shit you spew. YOU are why abortion is LEGAL.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Typical pro-abortion idiocy; they have no argument, and so must accuse the anti-abortion crowd of naziism and wanting to control their lives. I suppose that making Murder illegal is controlling the murderer as well, huh? The REAL truth; despite what you WANT the truth to be; is that I CAN let people make their own choices, and in fact that is one of the main points of my philosophy, but if those choices violate the right to life of another human; that is the reason for society.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c Birth complications/risks: vaginal/uterine tearing/scarring/ripping, incontinence, spinal/pelvic damage, nerve damage, hemmorhage, permanent hormonal changed/damages, diabetes, permanent emotional damages as previously listed.. the inability to keep a job if she performs labor, being forced into/out of a relationship, being pressured into keeping a child she cannot provide for to stay in/out of a relationship/remain in 'good graces' with family members, getting battered/kicked out, ect. -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat She consented to risk facing those problems, most of which she wont, when she took part in activity that would have a chance of leaving her pregnant; unprotected, contraceptive-less sex. Even with contraceptives, there is still a small chance of becoming pregnant, and so whenever she has sex, she by definition must agree to all of the risks involved; if she doesn't, then she should not have sex.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c off of NEED, not just killing to kill. If a fetus puts a woman at risk or if she is forced to assume responsibility for it when she does not want to, then killing it is fine b/c it cannot be removed or adopted until after birth, AFTER 9 months of physical slavery and emotional, physical, hormonal changes that affect literally EVERY aspect of that conscious, feeling. ACTUAL PERSON'S life. The proof is in brain biology. Denying brain biology and the fact that personhood DEVELOPS is an insult -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat First, if the fetus puts the person at risk, then the mother agreed to take that risk when she became pregnant; second, if she does not want to look after the fetus, then she should not have engaged in activity which would have made her so. Third, It is NOT physical slavery, because the Fetus does not OWN the mother, and those changes were consented to by the mother. Brain Biology? I am not denying that they develop; i am denying that they need to DEVELOP their own humanity.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood- if it is, then you deny the very existence and intent behind birth control, EVEN ADOPTION. What is love-making, fucking masturbation, fetishes, porn? Rape, pedophilia, homosexuality, zoophilia, prostitution? Sex is about more than making more humans and denying that is an insult to,... fuck, biology, history, psychology.. If I have sex and use birth control, does that mean I'm trying to PREVENT pregnancy? Are you telling me I WANT kids ANYWAY?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Consent to Sex is Consent to RISK BECOMING PREGNANT; Even with birth control, contraceptives, etc., there is a small chance of becoming pregnant, but if you do not want to take the risk at all, then you should abstain from sexual activity. Also, consent to parenthood is not DEPENDENT on consent to sex; but, if you have sex, then you, by taking risks that may make you a parent, you also agree to consent to parenthood. If you use birth control, then there is still the risk.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Also, risk is meaningless. When you drive in a car, you 'accept the risk' of getting in a wreck.. but does anyone who 'accepts that risk' have to 'grin and bear it' and DIE or suffer getting crippled if they get in a wreck, despite having 'accepted the risk'? NO- they have RECOURSE. They can FIX THE PROBLEM. Even people who use illegal rugs and OD or drunk-drive and get in accidents are given RECOURSE. Abortion is no different. Saying otherwise is just stupid and illogical.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat When you accept the risk involved in those activities, you are able to get recourse without KILLING AN INNOCENT HUMAN BEING. The difference between sexual intercourse and driving a car is that, with driving, you are able to fix the problem without committing a crime; when you have sex, and therefore risk pregnancy, you also agree that there can be no recourse, because to change your mind would be to commit murder. To deny this is lunacy.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c to every human being on the planet, an insult to science, to medicine, is denial of what makes us the advanced race/species we are, is a denial of half the medical knowledge we have that aids us in understanding psychology, neurology, brain biology. Human and human being are two different things, in two different contexts. A fetus is human dna, but it is not a living, feeling being. If you or i go into a vegetable-like state and someone else is forced to pick up the slack, our rights and -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I am not denying that higher consciousness is what makes human beings special; I am denying that it is what makes us human. A human, or human being, is something that fits the biological definition; consciousness is completely irrelevant. Also, fetuses are living, and the only reason that they aren't feeling is because they are physically underdeveloped; the presence that allows them to feel is still there.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 My foot is human- it has human dna, but it cannot think and is not a person, or a complete human. My brain does that and is what makes me a human being, a person, is what gives me my soul. Uh, if a fetus is physically underdeveloped and cannot feel, how can it still feel? 0o; Contradict yourself much? I don't care is a fetus is alive- my foot is living cells too. Same explanation given about the brain.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You did not follow my definition; i said a living creature of the human genome and with human DNA. A foot is not an INDEPENDENT, LIVING CREATURE, and the DNA it possesses is that of the creature it makes up. You have also twisted around what i've said before; I said that the PRESENCE that gives it the ability to be able to feel, even if it does not possess the physical development to do so, is still there. I am NOT contradicting myself, you are twisting around what i say.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 A fetus is sure as hell NOT independent. It is attached to, inside of, PART of the woman until it is born. It needs her body to sustain it's life- HER blood, HER oxygen, HER sustenance. It is, at best, a parasite in it's current state. It is NOT independent. Try again, this time with the truth. Oh, wait.. this conversation is done- you are a liar and a control-freak who cannot allow a person their own fucking OPINIONS about their own fucking SEX LIFE. Go. Hng. Urself. lol.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Obviously, by independent, i mean SEPARATE; It is a separate creature, and is NOT a part of the woman, that would be like saying that someone is PART of their life control. It may need her resources, but the fact that it can dies, independently of the mother, shows that it IS independent. And, how dare you call the fetus a parasite? You mentally ill, depraved little freak. I AM using the truth, I HAVE been using the truth, just not YOUR truth; which is, lies.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Do the world a favor and die, you whore; If you EVER act on your threat to me, I swear to god I will inflict so much pain onto you that you would wish you were dead; If your baby dies, it's your fault for forcing me to act in self defence.
I would punch you until my knuckles bleed; then i would kick you till i couldn't stand anymore; then I would take a knife and remove your digits, one by one, working my way up to your nipples, eyes, ears, tongue, and finally neck.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c consent is legally handed over to our next of kin, unless we are a john/jane doe and thus the government takes responsibility and the guvna won't pull the plug, but a relative or spouse has the right to. Your rights stop where another's begin.. and the woman was already there, was already conscious and an individual, the fetus is the exact opposite. Also, killing is perfectly elgal to protect oneself or one's property- lethal force against: rape, kidnapping, assault, carjacking, burglary.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Our legal rights and consent may be given to a relative, but that does not change the fact that i still have an unalienable right to life; If they pull the plug, they have committed murder. Also, the fetus's rights and the mothers' rights are equal, as they are both human beings, and thus are entitles equal rights; Whether the woman is a conscious individual is irrelevant. I know that killing is legal for self defense, but abortion is NOT self-defense.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 If you don't want to die, put that in your living will and your family will have to resign rights. But a fetus cannot consent or do or think anything- it is developing meat, and can only POTENTIALLY be a person, IF ALLOWED at an ACTUAL person's expense- and if it is unwilling, then fuck potentiality- you should care about ACTUALITY. Imposing the image of a cutesy born baby over a developing meat-shell in order to care for it and to de-value an actual woman is insanity.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat A fetus may not be able to consent; but that is just if it wants to RESIGN those rights; it still possesses unalienable rights. And, that person AGREED to risk to pay that expense without recourse when she engaged in sexual activity. Also, the Fetus IS an ACTUAL human being. And, no, I am NOT valuing one over the other, they are both equal human being, I am valuing one's right to LIFE over the other's right to PROPERTY.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Stop talking to me. You are not going to change my mind- just piss me off more. If i met you in person I'd knock your teeth out for your incessant ASSumption that YOU know more about MY thoughts, personal histories, and choices than i do. If you cannot accept that different people have different opinions and reasons for doing what they do, you have no right to speak for others or decide what they can/cannot do. You share opinions with the nazis.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat No, YOU stop slinging your hypocritical bullshit around. I'm the control freak? I want to control peoples' lives? YOU want to be allowed to MURDER a human being; THAT is controlling their lives, you fuck up, not the other way around. Oh, YOU'D knock MY teeth out? That's fucking hilarious. I would punch your fucking lights out, i dont care if you're pregnant or a woman or not, i would smash my knuckles against you face so hard it would pop your fucking eye.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I do NOT claim to know ANYTHING about you, you fucking liar. Once again, you put words in my mouth, lie, and try to say that the truth is something it isn't. I can accept that people have different opinions, moron, that is FREE SPEECH. I don't CLAIM to want to decide things for people, if you READ MY FUCKING COMMENTS YOU WOULD KNOW THAT, YOU WORTHLESS, LYING PIECE OF HORSE-SHIT. I do NOT share my opinion with the nazis; the nazis KILLED PEOPLE FOR NO REASON.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You mentally unstable fuck-up, i should have known you would make this violent. Typical liberal, first you deny the rights of a human being, then you threaten to harm any who disagree with you.
You would NOT punch my teeth out, I would smash your fucking arm. You know why? Because you're a weakling; both mentally and physically; and because I am 5'8" and weigh 140 lbs; hardly any of which is fat.
If you threaten ME, or MY FAMILY, I can, and WILL, kill you; painfully.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Christ i lol'd. YOU are the one who kept telling ME what I thought and wanted.. You cannot STAND the idea of someone thinking differently from you. You have to impose your wants, desires, and opinions directly into the fucking MINDS of people around you- god, you're like.. a fucking thought-nazi. You can't even let other people decide why they have sex.. so now you have to be an internet tough-guy and talk shit b/c i want to hit your bitch-ass.. FUCK I lol'd heartily. Grow up.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Once again, I do NOT claim to want to control the minds of people around me, but i DO claim to wish to disprove people who disagree with me with logic and reason. I NEVER told you what you thought or wanted, this is a lie as well.
I see now that you are so mentally unstable that you cannot even comprehend the world around you... Schizophrenia? Alzheimers? Drugs? Regardless of what it is, I will NOT let you harm me, and if you do, I WILL harm you. BAD.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Your logic is horrendously flawed if you think all consent to sex is consent to parenthood. The very existence of birth control, abortion, ADOPTION chop that idea all to hell. IF you are against abortion b/c consent to sex is consent to parenthood, then you should be against ADOPTION TOO, for the SAME reason- you spread your legs, YOU CLEAN UP THE MESS LOL. But apparently THAT is not photogenic, so you have to deny that shit. Get a grip, let it go, and move on.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat NO, You're logic is flawed is you try to DENY that consent to sex is consent to Risk Parenthood without Recourse. Birth control, contraceptives, etc. reduce that risk, but just because you dont want something, if you take the risk, you must stick with the consequences; and, in this case, there's no going back, because to do so would be to kill a human being.
Get a basic foothold in reality, THEN rethink your argument; stop with the stupidity and lies.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Oh my god. Are you religious? Is THAT why you are talking like this? PLEASE tell me you're just another catheter or stain..
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Um, no, I am NOT religious. I believe in the Lord and the Messiah, for logical reasons, but i do not believe in any of this idiotic bullcrap in the church today, like baptism, Mass, the Pope, Church Buildings, etc.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 By the way, i only read your most recent post to me. 'youll kill me painfully'? CHRIST that is hilarious. You know literally NOTHING about law, biology, or even have a basic grasp on literacy- you try to change definitions and context and intent to suit YOUR OPINION as a FACT that is universal for all people and situations. Seriously- go study more history- you are JUST LIKE the damn nazis. If I disagree w/ you I'm mental or inferior or you need to 'instruct' me.. No, we just -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat HAH! Of course, you only read my most recent post. I know NOTHING about law, biology, or literacy? You're completely ignoring ALL of my posts, HAHAHA!!!! And, no, i tell the TRUTH about definitions, i give definitions from the dictionary, and I Base any Original Definitions on fact; despite all of your lies trying to deny this, THIS is the truth. I am in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY AT ALL like the Nazis. Stop with the lies, you freak.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Really? The nazis were pro-life too. They had pregnant aryan women detained, even strapped to hospital beds to 'protect the baby'. If an aryan woman aborted, she was either hung publicly or detained and raped repeatedly b/c it was her 'duty' and 'honor' and 'responsiblity' to make more children. Even if the woman was raped or faced medical risks, that fetus was infinitely more important than her 'convenience'. Also, they did this to lesbians too. FUCK pro'life'rs. They don't care.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat The Nazis may have protected the baby, and gave just punishment for abortion (the hanging, not the rape) which is ONE GOOD THING that i can say about them, but the Nazis were also enemies to free speech, free property, and killed millions of people for no reason. Oh, and, yes, the fetus, and it's right to life, supersede that woman's right to property. The Nazis were socialists, which i am not.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 WOW. Just wow. You.. have completely lost me.. you actually approve of execution in retaliation for women who have abortions? I.. am so glad we will never meet in person.. your name is not Scott Roeder by any chance, is it? You know- the psychopath who shot and killed Dr Tiller in a CHURCH? People like you.. are a serious danger to the free world, fre speech, and human rights. Oh, and just so you know- if someone tries to rape or kindap me, I can KILL them legally. My PROPERTY=KILL.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Um, yes, i believe in the administration of justice, in this case the killing of those who have violated an innocent person's right to life.And, no, my name is NOT Scott Roeder, although he was NOT a psychopath, and there was nothing wrong with what he did; the Abortionist did not have any right to life, because he violated the right to life of the fetuses. Therefore, he committed no crime.
People like me? You mean, people who believe in justice, logic, and reason?
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat And, raping and kidnapping is not the same as being pregnant; You property used by someone AT YOUR CONSENT = NO KILL. Abortion makes about as much sense as killing a person for having sex with you when you gave your consent.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Uh, you just keep repeating the same thing over and over again, and it goes in one ear and out the other. Just b/c there are risks, does not mean you have to accept them and die from them. We are allowed recourse, and abortion AND adoption are both logical, acceptable, moral forms of recourse if you get pregnant accidentally. IF adoption is safe, ready option, then it is taken. If not, then there is abortion. I am in support of both. Abortion is not murder, b/c a fetus is not a -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Yes, i KNOW that you refuse to listen to my logic. I know that, in most cases, you do not have to accept risks and die from them, however; and this is a point which you have yet to come up with a logical argument against; pregnancy is different, because to deny the consequences is to murder a human being! You can have recourse and compensation for a car crash, but NOT for pregnancy; you dont have to kill someone to compensate them for physical injury.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Abortion is not equable to murder unless a woman has sex TO get pregnant and aborts for the sake of killing a fetus. Then she's just effing crazy, man. Unless a woman WANTS her child and gets killed, or assaulted and miscarries her WANTED child, it is not murder. B/c the fetus lacks it's own personhood, the woman has every right to extend or deny her own personhood status so long as it is inside of, attached to, part of her body.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat A fetus is not a part of the woman; it is a separate, individual creature. It has it's own DNA, It's attachment is not permanent; It is a separate, individual being, with it's own soul.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 What you are saying literally makes NO sense to me at ALL. It is not logical, it is laughable and insulting to me. You are doing nothing but pushing me farther from your opinion, and making me more and more glad I am pro-choice.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat The reason it makes not sense to you is because you don't WANT it to make sense; I have made it very easy to follow my logic, and only a fool, such as yourself, could not understand. It IS logical, it is Serious, It is, above all, Obvious... I am doing nothing except proving that you are completely unable to see the truth.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c person and CANNOT be due to it's lack of independence, self-awareness, and b/c of it/s placement. ALL of these factors, TOGETHER, render it equable to part of the woman's body. You cannot 'murder' a non-person. Consent to sex is consent to sex- if you use birth control, then by god you are NOT wanting kids and if the BC fails, you can abort or adopt at your leisure- it is your god-damn right as a free human being, and not as a sex-slave broodmare. If you cannot tell the fundamental -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I have explained to you over and over and over again that the fetus IS an independent human being, independent meaning separate; in this case, Independent meaning SEPARATE. The fetus is a creature, and it has it's own DNA. Also, you have yet to prove that the fetus lacks the presence that gives it the ability to be self aware; i do not mean the physical ability, i mean the SUPERNATURAL PRESENCE. The fetus IS a person, it IS Independent, and (continued)
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 LOL context-play. If it was separate, it would not be in the woman's body and dependent upon it, solely, for survival for 9 months. Try again. LOL what supernatural presence- the soul, the personality? UH, BRAIN DEVELOPMENT. HERE, LINKS- USE THEM TO YOUR ADVANTAGE- GET AN EDUCATION: brainmind DAWT com /FetalBrai nDevelo pment DAWT html
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Um, no, not necessarily, because being inside the woman and being sustained by it does NOT make it a physical PART of her. If someone is on life support, is he a part of the hospital he is in? I will not try again, beacuse I was right the first time, fool. And, what that website says actually supports my theory that a fetus still has a soul (not that it's relevant to being a human being), and that it is simply unable to show it due to UNDERDEVELOPMENT OF THE BRAIN.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat (continued) it has it's OWN RIGHT TO LIFE. Consent to sex Is consent to sex; and Sex is taking a risk to become PREGNANT. If you use birth control, then there is still a chance that it can fail, and therefore you are still agreeing to RISK the possibility of pregnancy. It is NOT your right as a free human being to murder another human being whom you have given consent; nay, FORCED; to use your body as an incubator.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c differences between a developing fetal shell and an actual thinking, feeling, living, breathing PERSON WITH A SOUL, the you are mentally fucked. You have no respect of value for medicine, for law, psychology, neurology, for HUMANITY ITSELF, if you can twist people's choices and deny them their own opinions so forcefully. YES, you ARe denying me my right to my own opinions, personal history, and free will- you are telling me why I had sex, and what I wanted from it. THAT is power-play, nazi.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Once again, you keep saying that a fetus does not have a soul, yet you GIVE NOT EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER TO SUPPORT THESE CONCLUSIONS. It is a human being, and all human beings have souls; just because you can't see the evidence of it being there, does not mean it doesn't exist. It is not developing a soul, it already has that, it is developing the physical ability to SHOW THAT SOUL. I am not denying you your opinions; i am denying you the ability to act on them, (continued)
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Also- our 'self' develops about 6 months to a year-and-a-half AFTER birth- WELL after any need for abortion. You know.. when our cognitive ability to process information and store memory develops? The reason why none of us remember life en utero is b/c we are NOT THERE. Tell me this- if your ability to move, register touch, store information is based on your brain's development/function, and that necessary aprt of your brain does not exist or work yet, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU DO IT?!
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat NO, our 'Self", our 'soul', our 'awareness' is always present in the body. It just requires physical development and physical experience to be able to express itself, learn values, etc. The ability to store memory is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT; And, no, the reason we cant remember any of that is NOT because we're not there, but because we're BLIND and because our bodies are unable to store those memories! Are you REALLY unable to understand that? (continued)
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I have NEVER SAID that you can't do it; you are either intentionally misunderstanding my statements, or are so stupid that you really cant understand. The PRESENCE that gives you the Ability to do it in the First place is ALWAYS THERE; however, it Also needs a physically developed body to SHOW ITSELF.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I am NOT telling you WHY you had sex, I have NEVER tried to tell you why; this is the latest lie from you. I am telling you the obvious risks that anyone who knows anything about sex can tell you. I hardly see how telling you that you have to respect another person's rights is naziism, and i hardly see how claiming control over a person's very LIFE is not.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 I did not consent to parenthood when I had sex, fuckoff. You are telling me I did. You are saying all women do. You are wrong. I aborted at 14, I OBVIOUSLY did not consent to parenthood- yet you claim I did. SHUT THE FUCK UP about that retarded-ass bullshit and MOVE ON. I OBVIOUSLY disagree and so do a shit-ton of other women AND men- and the very existence of both abortion AND adoption, AND birth control negate that opinion completely. Swallow your pride and MOVE ON. GOD, you mule.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You, by definition, consented to risk parenthood when you had sex;you did so by taking action that resulted in you becoming pregnant.By taking action that may result in a result,you by definition agree to risk those results by preforming the action;do you understand, or are you still going to keep on denying the truth?If i take a knife and swing it down on my wrist, i am by definition consenting to chop my hand off, correct? You can deny it all you want; THIS is the truth, worm.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You, by definition, consented to risk parenthood when you had sex;you did so by taking action that resulted in you becoming pregnant.By taking action that may result in a result,you by definition agree to risk those results by preforming the action;do you understand, or are you still going to keep on denying the truth?If i take a knife and swing it down on my wrist, i am by definition consenting to chop my hand off, correct? You can deny it all you want; THIS is the truth, worm.
someguy018 1 year ago
0-c plain=old DISAGREE with eachother, and you just don't like that. Not to mention, you are so deluded w/ pro'lif'e fear doctrine that you know NOTHING about fetology or sexuality.. go study the history of sex, man. Take a few courses in psychology, in neurology.. get a few degrees in medicine, law, and shit like I did. Get a better grasp of the world around you, and then maybe you won;t cling to such limited ideals and wishful-thinking and prejudice. You'll be happier and more intelligent.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Yes, i dont like that we disagree, because yuo dont base your opinions off of thought or logic; you just believe what will give YOU more power, you dictatorial asshole. Stop trying to illegitimatize my statements, stop lying, stop twisting around the truth, and WAKE THE FUCK UP. I'm the one clinging to wishful thinking? Yes, because that all huamn beings have rights is wishful thinking, huh?
So typical... you lose a battle of logic, so you resort to MORE) lies...
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 What POWER? The ability to stay the fuck ALIVE? Is survival is selfish and about power, then go kill yourself, man. EVERYONE that struggles to stay alive is as elfish, power-hungry asshole. YOUR rights stop when another's begin, and the reason rape and slavery is illegal and preventable by LEGAL KILLING, LETHAL FORCE, is the SAME reason abortion is legal.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat YES, controlling whether someone survives or not IS exerting power over them; are you ACTUALLY trying to say that it ISN'T? Ha! And, no, the reason slavery and rape can be protected through lethal force is because those violate the rights of the victim; pregnancy doesn't, and even if it did, then it would be unjust for the woman to "protect herself" by killing the fetus, because the fetus is innocent as well.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 Okay, starting over again- the reason your entire logic is flawed is b/c your OPINION is not a FACT, yet you are treating it like it is. I fuck my husband for pleasure, not to make more babies. When I fuck him now, even while pregnant, I do it for pleasure, not to get double-pregnant or w/e. After this child is born, I am never having kids again- I'll adopt, which, by the way, I and my husband are already fully-approved to do. IF I get pregnant again b/c my BIRTH CONTROL fails, I -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
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@ryddelwearsahat Um, actually, m,y opinion IS fact, because my Opinions are based on Nothing BUT fact, and you have yet to prove me wrong. I am not saying that sex isn't for pleasure, I'm saying that when you have that pleasure, you are agreeing to take a risk to become pregnant without recourse.
someguy018 1 year ago
-c abort, b/c IF I get pregnant, I know I have RECOURSE against those risks. I have OPTIONS which are perfectly moral, natural, and LEGAL. YOU can do nothing about it except insult me and my intelligence, and lie straight to my face about why I do or don't have sex, and what I intend to do if I accidentally get pregnant. So.. my pity goes out to you and everyone else whose brain is ASSaulted by your uneducated drivel. You belong in the stone age, where women are dragged by the hair and raped.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahatAnd no you do NOT haverecourse from that action because to take recourse from that action is to KILL A HUMAN BEING. You trulyare mentally ill arent you?Hah nothing except insult my intelligence? Whos theone who keeps calling me a Nazi instead of retorting logically?Whos theone who threatened to punchmy teeth out?You are the one who has given up all logic and who has resorted to childishness andinsults.Uneducated; I dont want to allow people to commit murder, so i am uneducated...
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You belong back in Ancient times, when people's rights to life WEREN'T respected. You belong back in a time where logic and reason wasn't as common among people; other sheeple like you.
Although i can see that you tried very hard, you have failed to change the reality of the situation; that is, that I am right, that I am not a Nazi, that YOU are the one threatening me and insulting me, not the other way around, and that the Fetus DOES have the right to life.
someguy018 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Seeing how the fetus does not infringe on your property rights (since it is there with the mothers consent), and seeing as how the fetus's unalienable right to life is superior to the woman's right to property, and seeing as how the fetus has no say whatsoever in the matter and therefore cannot have his rights removed, Abortion is NOT the defense of person or property.
someguy018 1 year ago
@someguy018 AGAIN with the LIES about 'consent'. Uh, if I wear a condom or swallow contraceptive pills, that is NOT consent to parenthood. That is saying NO THANK YOU. If anything mistakenly sets up camp there, it goes against my consent. See my previous posts and get the idea through your head, b/c if you are going to continuously lie straight to my face about what I do and don't consent to, this is done and you are a moron. Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood or acceptance of the RISK.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago