Tough Questions For Jehovahs Witnesses Bonus Question 8

[Tubalcain422]

Easy question.:

1. Man is imperfect, thus they CAN be wrong. telling something you thought was right but isn't is not a lie.

2. Trying to deceive someone by telling something false is a lie. Your example both tried to deceive the parent about the paint.

3. Your religion question answered. Did the religion make the changes when the correct answer was discovered? If not then it is a lie.

4. Liars (or those who practice deception) is not acceptable to god.

Look up the definition of lie.

[TimKilgore]

@Tubalcain422

1. Nothing to do with the question

2. You're correct, If I added that the kids were both sleepwalking, does that change it.

3. Check out Crisis of Conscience to see, no they change it when it's convinient

4. The question is not about lies, JWs teach that those believing falsehoods even if they're true will perish at Armageddon. But they believe that even if they believe something wrong they will survive.

[anzwertree]

This song reminds me of cocaine. Ah, the good old days. I sure wish Andy was still alive.

[donkeymono]

Relgion has nothing to do with it, and God is merciful he will judge everyone acording to what they know and what they rejected. like i said in Gods eyes there is no religion, its either the people who are with him or those who are against him. the better question is would God punish those who know his will and deny it. because JW and my church the SDA werent around always, does that mean people before this churches were established are now lost? the answer is no

[TimKilgore]

The question is who can know his will if they're all blinded to truth?

[MaestroInfernus]

@donkeymono Around always? Jehovah witnesss and The Seventh day adventists have only been in existance for a spanof 200 and some odd years. the SDA birthplace in the township of Washington, New Hampshire, in 1844. Jehovah's Witnesses was founded in 1879 by Charles Taze Russell, a Pennsylvania businessman. Both denominations or any other denominations outside of The Roman Catholics are heretics and hethans in the eyes of th Lord God.

[TheAtomicist42]

@MaestroInfernus Lol... "Everyone but my religion is wrong." Well, your religion now states that people don't go to hell. So belief in any kind of god is no longer necessary.

How do you manage to move around when you are made of fail?

[TheAtomicist42]

@donkeymono I'd like to know then, if you've never heard the, ahem, "truth," and therefore cannot reject it, do you go to heaven? If so then by telling some people about your religion when by the basic nature of the mind some of them are bound to reject it, aren't you yourself dooming them to hell by your own actions? What you are saying makes for a pretty powerful argument against spreading religion!

[roshsucks]

So yes, as a child growing up in a witness household I had a choice, but it came with a super emotional rape and guilt trip, I rather just make everyone happy until I became an adult and freed myself by my human and legal rights!

[TimKilgore]

Oh I know, try dealing with that since you were 10. This is another reason why I think age of consent should come into play when it comes to cases of baptism.

[roshsucks]

When your a child growing up in a JW family, its like living in a dictatorship. Everyone soldout and brainwashed robots, putting in their field service, going to all the book studies, theo/minis schools, sunday meetings etc etc. If you rise up and say MOM and DAD, I don't want to go a meeting, they send Edlers to make you feel guilty and rape you. Or they threaten outcasting and disfellowshipping on your ass. Then you look like the big loser, even your own sis or bro won't talk to you.

[roshsucks]

But I'm sure if the governing body told them to rise up and take a knife to the throats of innocent people dubbed as "evil" or "satanic", or whatever, they totally commit murder in the name of Jehovah like Joshua did by a massive killing at Walls of Jericho.

[TimKilgore]

I ask that in my last question to Zed2Six, if they ever had their own country would they kill people who disagreed with them. I don't think there's a question that they would. You also touched on a question of mine whether children understand what they're getting into when they're baptized, I don't think they do, you've confirmed that. The only people who don't confirm it are people who converted, they say children can make their decisions, those baptized early say otherwise.

[roshsucks]

Tim, I'm bitter because I was born a JW then I got baptized, Never had a choice. Brainwashed and manipulated to death by my parents until I turned into an Adult, can freed myself. Then thought outside the box, and realized what a super fucked up religion being a JW really is all about. They don't even fight in wars man, they let other familes let their sons or daughters be killed, so they can capitalized on freedom of religion. Its like the ultimate trophy wife complex unknown to mankind.

[roshsucks]

Remember Eve, how she was God's first female creation, with a cooch? WTF is that all about? You mean God never made animals in the Garden of Eden that were female and with a vag?! So after EVE, God finally made female animals. I guess he thought all those animals in the Garden of Eden were going to have gay sex with each other or something, until a light bulb came on his head to create females!

[roshsucks]

You were a JW for so long and never got baptized?! WTF! What held you back? You some huge fatass or something, too afraid to show your fatrolls or manboobs in front of your brothers and sisters at circuit or district conventions or what man?

[TimKilgore]

Actually when I left I was suffering from annorexia pretty badly I was about 100 lbs and I'm 5'10. Would you buy a car without having your questions answered about it? "What's the gas mileage?" "..." "Has it ever been in any accidents?" "..." "Does it even start up?" "..." "I'LL TAKE IT!" Are you just bitter because you got baptized then realized you made a rash decision too late?

[roshsucks]

Dude, you know how they select people to partake at Memorials, like drawing numbers out of hat? Same concept dude. So what others thought you baller, but you never got baptized. To me your not a true witness dude, cause your like the dude who test-drives cars but never buys one.

[TimKilgore]

Ah the no true scotsman fallacy, yay! Yeah you're a witness and have to abide by their rules, you have to live their life, you have to identify yourself as one, you have to go out in service and learn all the teachings, but when you leave after not getting baptized all of a sudden you weren't a REAL JW. Yeah sure, whatever man.

[roshsucks]

Remember poor Moses, sold out and went all poor, became a slave, then delivered God's people to the promise land, then made one fucking mistake, by saying he made the water come out of that rock? Jehovah got so insulted, he denied him access into the promise land. That's your fucking forgiving high-horse alphamale fucking God right there! What a total dipshit man. Poor moses...all that hardwork and one human imperfection mistake, and his ass is toast!

[roshsucks]

That is one fucked up God man. He kills at will during the Great Flood, kills innocent people at Walls of Jericho, kills romans at parting of the red sea, kills and confuses languages at tower of nimrod. Lynches his own son like Iraqis did to Saddam Hussein. Never lays a single finger on Satan. Oh yeah, remember back in 1914 or 1919, when Jesus cast Satan & his demons to the earth? Those fuckers in heaven can't deal with the rats, so they make us imperfect humans deal with it, thanks alot!

[roshsucks]

Remember back in the Garden of Eden when Satan made Eve sin? Did God take his wrath on Satan,, nope! He took his wrath on the poor snake that got demon possessed, and took away its legs! WTF kind of justice is that? When Satan tortured JOB, got played chicken to the end.  Notice how he lynched his own son and bailed while he butchered n extra sufferes, and he cried for help. YET , he never ever lays a finger on Satan. That's what I call, loving your 1st creation like no tomorrow man.

[TimKilgore]

I don't know how much your comments will help the viewers here, you seem like you have alot to say. You should start your own series.

[roshsucks]

Jehovah is a son of other higher gods, except he has ADD and super fucked up. That's why he made dinosaurs and got bored, killed them all. Then he made his most beautiful creation, Satan the Devil...he has a huge boner for his ultimate toy. That is why he tortures jesus and treats humans like crap, cause he loves his first born son, just like any parents love their first born. One thing he super sucks at, he can't turn back time or predict future worth shit!  Plus he high-horse alpha male.

[roshsucks]

Dude, trust me, there will be a new system, except it will be all fucked up and not like Jehovah intended, cause that fucker can't predict the future worth shit, he just another david blaine, chriss angel and shits. When the whole world cries, PEACE AND SECURITY, then the end of the world will come?! HAHAHA, he left Jesus to extra suffer and die on a torture stake man. He killed dinosaurs like they were playtoys, he wipes out people by floods, and kills at will. Jehovah is one giant geek god

[roshsucks]

There's your fucking problem man. You never got baptized, so all brothers and sisters never had any respect for your ass. Who cares you had 10hrs/mo or whatever, if you don't get baptized and just a freelancer, nobody gives a fuck dude.

[TimKilgore]

I was usually told differently by the other non-baptized people in the hall. When you have something of worth like a mensa membership and a scholarship to Brown, they think of you as a prize to convert.

[roshsucks]

If Satan could tempt EVE and fuck up the world, knowing he can live forever at the time, imagine what he will do to mankind on his last call free-4-all revenge on humanity eh? Even Jesus would be disturbed and probably close his eyes....that's the way Jehovah roles, sucks satans cock and let him torture humans just like a kid with a magnifying glass.

[roshsucks]

Dude, you realize in the new system there is no faggots or lesbos, family pets ressurrected and shit right? Sorry to break your heart, if you thought otherwise. Plus most of your family not there if they not believers, so your surrounded by strangers and shit. PLUS after 1,000yrs Satan is coming back with the ultimate revenge unknown to mankind because he knows he going to die, so he have the ultimate suicide bomber complex of an Arch Angel Nephlim ever born right? You realize the rape in NS

[TimKilgore]

I don't think there will be a new system, so you're not breaking my heart at all.

[roshsucks]

Also, when you were a JW, what was your field service stats like? How many average hours you put into the field? You have any bible studies and shit? How far did you get...just average dude, or you special pioneer, ministerial servant, presiding overseer, circuit, elder status or what man? You been to Bethel?

[TimKilgore]

Field Service stats were 10 hours a month except in summers which was huge, I used to go to unassigned territory and spend all day every day for a couple weeks preaching. I did have bible studies, I was a bit above average first talk was at 6, gave number 4 talks and read at the bookstudy.  Never baptized though so didn't get any special titles, I had to do an assignment at Bethel but I didn't live there.

[roshsucks]

Dude, are you baptized?

[TimKilgore]

Never baptized, answered in my intro.

[roshsucks]

You think your old ass mom who is probably a fucking dinosaur by now and your grandpa go on youtube, all cenial and hyped up on meds?! Your the dumbest fuck, since Job was born bitch! You should deserved a good rape by both Satan & Jehovah combined until you beg for mercy on your last breath of life, like a total doormat twat that you are cunt!

[TimKilgore]

Actually I was thinking when my daughter comes home crying from the meeting because she asked a question I could show her my videos to show her I had the same question.

[roshsucks]

Dude, you sound like a reform faggot so out of the closet, but still has lots of his wardrobe still hanging inside. You have more skeleton in the closet then Jeffrey Dahmur dude! Your one messed up, fucked up ex-JW. I bet you, you even think you will somehow live into the new system for being so gay and all your ex-hours in the field service too right?

[TimKilgore]

Well I celebrated my six year wedding anniversary in June, and I mentioned my daughter who is 22 months old. I have no desire to live in the new system to begin with so no I don't think I'm going to go to the New System. The series is for my daughter, I thought if I told her when she got older she wouldn't believe me, so I made the videos now so she can see the dates of them when it actually comes up.

[roshsucks]

Your game smells so Judas to me and so sellout stab in the back Satan the Devil man.

[roshsucks]

Then dude, either be an outsider or an insider, don't double dip and act like a total outcast psycho bitch, wanting to crawl her or his way back in man?! WTF is wrong with you. Either your on one side or another, are you one of those JWs living a double-life or disfellowshipped twats who wants back in, but current on death row? WTF is up with your game cunt?

[TimKilgore]

I'm not disfellowshipped, I'm not a double life person, I left and am happy that I left. My mother however is still a JW and will more than likely introduce the teachings to my daughter. I made the video series so that if she has questions she can see it's normal and even her Dad had questions. It's all in my intro video, did you care to watch that before commenting here?

[roshsucks]

I find it funny that JWs are on youtube defending their religion. Does your elder know your doing this? Aren't you just capitalizing on the "devil's work" or "playground" to preach? Why don't you guys preach your word in Guantinamo Bay or Red-Light Districts too? S*T*O*R*M*F*R*O*N*T*.*O*R*G* websites? too chicken? You sounds like a bunch of oppostates hanging on for dear life to me losers!

[TimKilgore]

I honestly have no idea if my elder knows that I'm doing this since I haven't been in a kingdom hall for 8 years.

[LuckyFokker]

Your rabbit scenario sounds as plausible as anything in the Bible, yet people believe believe it completely. Jw's are wacky but all religions are when you step back and look at them

[TimKilgore]

Thanks, I loved coming up with that illustration. LOVE your username btw.

[roshsucks]

An organization that publishes their own bible and changes scriptures, then feeds its members with only their own books, magazines & stuff, is total propaganda man! Its the same shit that the Nazis did to their own people back in WWII! Just feed the population with 100% of your own shit.

[roshsucks]

Who are members of the "governing body" and why are they so old? How do we know they haven't gone cenial? Why was one of them dismissed for sexual misconduct? Does Jehovah talk to the Governing Body, if so how do we know that? They might just be good at selling their propaganda on others, while they live off other people's hard earned donations like freeloaders.

[TimKilgore]

Leo Greenless is the one your'e talking about for sexual misconduct, it seems you have many questions, maybe you should be making videos :)

[TimKilgore]

There are plenty of groups that desire to have truth, that seek it and simply interpret scriptures differently. You've seen my video about Satan blinding everyone to truth, why wouldn't God just let everyone through armageddon then show them truth after Satan is gone? This really just goes into that question.

[TimKilgore]

Everyone says that there's only one interpretation if you take the bible as a whole into account, but that involves having an interpretation of a scripture then fitting other scriptures in to match that interpretation. Without bias, reading the bible from cover to cover you can see why people see the different beliefs in it, because the writers themselves taught different things.

[TimKilgore]

Is the answer one is looking for truth while another isn't? Or is it really God shows favoritism?

[TimKilgore]

Final Tough Question, I go in detail regarding why I left. I have no desire to bring the organization down, this is for my daughter, when she gets old enough to question things I don't want her to get the same cold response that I did.

[gitserved56]

What are they currently teaching that is a falsehood? You say "if" a lot. If you are causing people to stumble in their faith do you think God is okay with it?

[TimKilgore]

I say if alot because no one knows with 100% certainty which interpretation of the bible is correct unless God comes down and tells us so. Ten years ago we didn't know that the generation Jesus was talking about wasn't the literal generation of 1914, then that was considered absolute truth. You might want to take a look at Eph 4:14.

[GuSxMan666]

but why are you like only directing questions to the jehovah witnesses? proving a point? or just to argue, or get rewarded with good speaking skills, cuz you'd be a good lawyer buddy, if you ever think of being a lawyer, i'd agree you'd be a good one.

[GuSxMan666]

this is just a answer straight up of wut i think....yes one religion can teach falsehoods, another one can too if it wants, they both can and be rewardedm depends on who rewards them though, some guy up in the sky, or else people with lotta cash/good sayings eh? like me i'm kinda arguing you that theres no god by saying...the guy up in the sky which could be true or un true, lol and no no1 can escape this guys judgement, if you were god you'd make a good god.

[Broccoli4151]

During the resurrection, God will set matters right. It will be a resurrection of the ritcheous and the unritcheous. So keeping in mind the fact the no person or orgizination is perfect. During the tribulation, it is reasonable to conclude that God will reveal the truth of all things and give his people the opportunity to worship him in the pure way. Now its quite another story if an org. does not correct its tradition upon knowing its error.

[TimKilgore]

It is reasonable to conclude I suppose, who's to say this truth is going to resemble any current religion? I also agree it is quite another story, you may want to see my bonus tough question about the name Jehovah on that one.

[twistereli]

you're kinda ripping the quotes out of it's context. you take a quote from one text and act as if it's the only thing they can say about it... and punishing the twins==> personal choice.

[TimKilgore]

The gist of the parable is saying if two people lie to you, why punish them differently? Can someone lie less, is it OK to show favoritism especially in the case of the almighty, just God?

[propagandatechniques]

My thinking's become less complex since exiting the cult! =)

[propagandatechniques]

In short, no. God's gonna allow the UN to burn 'em both down.

[TimKilgore]

That has to be the shortest answer you've ever given me on one of my questions :)

[propagandatechniques]

Wait until I post my necxt video, "Hypnotic Bait and Switch". I'm going to help the folks here understand how they're being lied to. They can't see it. It's like radiation. It's there but it's unseen, just like the FDS lies. They're hard as heck to see if you don't know what you're looking for.

Here's an example: w08 2/15 pg 22 "Jesus tells us that only 'the fine ones' are gathered into vessels, which represent Christian congregations." Here's the lie (next post):

[propagandatechniques]

Darn! that article is w08 7/15 pg 22... not 2/15.

[propagandatechniques]

Dang it! Page 21, not 22, lol!

[propagandatechniques]

Point 1) Jesus isn't talking to us now. He said those words 2000 years ago.

Point 2) He never said anything about vessels representing Christian congregations. The way it's worded is to trick the mind into believing Jesus endorses that crap, contradicting Jesus' own words that this separating will be done by angels at Armageddon. Freakin' cult poison! Hypnotic bait and switch. Mix the truth with little, subtle lies.

[IrreversibleCurse]

It looks like you gained about 5 pounds since your last video. Am I right?

[TimKilgore]

That's what you take time to comment on. Pretty ludicriss.

[IrreversibleCurse]

Come on Tim. What happened to that sense of humor.

[TimKilgore]

If your humor was a little more even then sure I would see it better. All you do is insult people then freak out when they are insulted by it. If the only comments I left on your channel were insults wouldn't you think it was a little one-sided.

[remosplace]

the bible not only makes God look partial but in the hebrew scriptures he looks downright racist. i mean he loves only the jews and kils everyone for their sake. if thats not racist i dont know what is. people need to stop accepting the whole bible as fact and use our brains to determine the difference between the obviously made up shit and the good message.

[TimKilgore]

You're telling me that the sun may not have actually stood still so that Israelites could kill more people? Wha..Wha..What?!?! :) Yes I wish more people would gleen the principles of the Bible instead of fighting tooth and nail about the formalities.

[celticshiva]

Haha! I like your parables! Your Kingdom ministry training has served you well ;).

I was raised as a JW but never baptised, I knew that religion to be 'not for me' even at a young age (despite being able to quote the bible from memory and answer all the baptismal questions).

I like your video series and have subscribed to your channel. Thanks for sharing!

[TimKilgore]

Why thank you. Kingdom Ministry training since I was four. But it was really the Creative Writing courses at RWU that helped me with analogies and stories. :)