Very good recording, but I do prefer some sections to be much more tender than they were played here. In particular, the trio seemed to be turbulent rather than sweet and subtle. That melody in the last couple of bars before it modulates is my favorite when played soft and tenderly. But that is just how I prefer it.
Franz Schubert's Impromptus, Opp. 90 and 142 (posth.), are a series of pieces for solo piano composed in 1827 and first published during the composer's lifetime (or shortly thereafter) under that name. There are eight such Impromptus in total.
Three other unnamed piano compositions, written in May 1828, a few months before the composer's death, are alternatively indicated as Impromptus or Klavierstücke ("piano pieces").
Truecrypt, thank you for posting all these musicians who are actually worth listening too.... Really I think I've learned a lot just by listening to the pianists who you post, Sofronitsky, Rachmaninov, Hofmann, Richter, Gilels etc. And on other channels, various singers, violinists, conductors etc. If it weren't youtube I think I'd be stuck with the radio broadcasts of the chamber music society at lincoln center... :) thanks!
wow. i dunno why, but to me, this sounds really similar to Beethoven's Sonata Op. 26 No. 2- listen to the first movement ( the variations)- hopefully i'm not the only who thinks so.
@PianoFanatic1989 that shows, that you have a very good hearing!:) it sounds similar because it is on the same key (A-flat Major) and the first two notes are the same!:) I had never thought about it, because that you mention it you are absolutly right :)
u played it? wow, around 1:20 when you play the note harder, it's so ciolent, i feel the emotion, that was awesome, really, the one who played it is an exellent pianist!
As much as I enjoy commenting on these videos sometimes I find it useless to comment on them due to the fact that my words would not put my feelings towards both the composer and the pianist to justice...
truecrypt, are you Parisian? That would explain your attitude perfectly. I would like to add that this Impromptus is a (for your vocabulary's sake) "wretched" recording.
While I understand your desire to have pieces such as this appreciated properly, I feel that people should have the right to express their feelings their own way. It annoys me too when a persons comments with something idiotic like "the dude who played this is awesome" or something, but don't be annoyed. Rather, pity them for failing to comprehend what they're missing, not knowing more.
By the way, thanks for uploading.Tried to sightread this but stopped at 16. Better with ear.
You're right in many ways, but my problem with "these people" is not actually their vocabulary, jargon or lack of education. Judgmental mentality without a hint of understanding and loud demand for "respec" deserve a little slap now and then. I don't do it too often... ;) If good people would be more active and united, YT could become much more friendly and *cleaner* place. Probably I'm too old-fashioned though...
Too heavy a playing. Shubert's style is tender and soft, . It should be simple and sweet, not pensive and introspective. I like Sofronitsky for Chopin but not for Schubert.
Well... matter of style is a bit more complicated than you think. You see/hear this music as "simple and sweet", for Sofronitsky it is complex and bitter... Sometimes great artistry can't satisfy generic perception.
Hello truecrypt, thanks for the "Impromptus," but how can you seriously believe that vocabulary is related in to musical appreciation? Is it because of "musicians pride," the innate belief that if you have good hand-eye coordination, your more clever than those who can't? I would say that living human beings deserve more respect than deceased ones, no matter how great they were and no matter how unknown the living is. We're only preventing new "greats" by acting this way.
If one expresses his/her feelings using only 2 categories: "feel good" and "feel bad", has a vocabulary of 50-200 words and has zero knowledge about art - yes, I believe such person would have limited abilities to appreciate classical music.
Why such people always demand respect (should I say "respec"?) and insist on *freedom of expression* is a mystery to me.
As for "living human beings deserve more respect than deceased ones" - I wouldn't generalize so broadly.
Daniel Beliavsky may be a nice guy and decent pianist, but comparing him to Sofronitsky would be very unfair to both of them. I'd rather prefer not to "ttyl" and not to be your "bbf".
no offense or anything but i think thats ridic. XD the greatest respect u can pay to them is to listen to their music or play it yourself. it really doesnt matter if u refer to them as "guys" or "dudes" since in reality every brilliant anyone is just another person.
Probably this is generational... For you Sofronitsky is "dude" and Impromptus is a "song".
Schubert is a "guy" who wrote this "tune".
It is "cool", "yo man"...
Unfortunately great and complicated art can't be addressed by primitive terms and emotions. The way you speak defines the way you think (and vice versa).
You try to equalize yourself to great minds by saying that they are just "another person". You are very mistaken.
believe me wen i say that im not trying to equalize myself with great minds.. and no. im really not mistaken. but thanks for the opinion :) u can continue using your "evolutionary" speech patterns to respect great art and i shall show my respect through enjoyment. p.s. no, an impromptus is not a song, a song is sung by a singer.......;P
I don't see how he is not equal to a great mind, sure Schubert, Sofronitsky etc... may be better musicians they may be smarter etc... but that does not make them unequal. But I don't think anyone should be conceited enough to compare themselves with someone like Sofronitsky.
I'm not talking about social inequality... Everybody deserves equal opportunities, rights, etc. But as for musicianship, talent, artistic abilities... Schubert, Sofronitsky and "moonraze" are NOT equal. Addressing Great Masters as "dudes" and "guys" probably sounds "democratic" but in reality demonstrates disrespect and low class. Nothing to do with real *equality*.
@moonraze your egalitarianim is stunning. Without the men who *were* brilliant, you would not survive at all. Without the men who invented the internet, you would not be able to insult them on their own inventions. Without musicians like Sofronitsky or Schubert, music would die pretty quickly. It is a person's personal character and worth which decides how much respect they deserve. Is there no difference between a theif and an honest man? Or a genius vs. Hitler?
@moonraze It's an insult to Sofronitsky to claim that he deserves as much respect as the man who refuses to think and practice. And yes, I am being judgemental - that is the whole point, to judge with reality and your own mind. Who is more of a value to you - Einstein or "just another person"? Sofronitsky deserves an enourmus amount of respect, precisely for his ability not only to play notes but to actually make music.
A lesson in humility is all very well, but what this guy really needs is a brain implant! A 14 outa 16 song authority dealing out expert advice to Sofronitsky...
Reading the comments of American teenagers who are "into" classical music (and who tend to reduce it to the spiritual and intelectual level of computer games) is truly a bizarre experience. with them Richter and Kissin (sic!) are dudes with "mad piano skills" playing "songz"...
It bother me coming across comments like yours. I'm 14 myself and I know for a fact that I, myself do not write comments nor think of composers as.. "dudes with mad piano skills" did you say? (And if anything, skills would be the word with the Z).
And the whole "spiritual and intellectual level of computer games" comment? Well that was just insulting.
You're right, it should've been "skillz", admittedly I'm not that conversant with this idiom
There are always exceptions aplenty, it would be foolish not to acknowledge this. Yet it seems to me that the overwhelming majority of US teenagers tend towards the brash and the oafish. Sadly for me, since I'm an ardent admirer of too many things American
btw, it appears from your comment that you take Richter and Kissin to be composers...
Well from what I've heard from my piano teacher in the past, Richter and Kissin are pianists aren't they? Not composers. I was referring to schubert though :).
i totally agree! people should not throw us(teenagers) into one large group based solely on our age. some of us do have a passion for classical music and have more respect for Kissin and Richter than to say they are "dudes with mad piano skillz"!
i dont understand what ur saying/ just cuz someone is a teenager they cant seriously enjoy classical music?im 15 and started learining this song today...
and besides, this is NOT classical music. its from the romantic period... so get ur facts straight before insulting teenagers. im 15 yr old and knew that...
"Classical music" is a common enough generic term for the body of "serious" (whatever this might mean) European music starting with the Renaissance (earlier than that on some definitions, starting with Bach on others etc) and up to these days. I'm sorry for the harsh language, but it takes a complete retard to try to ascribe ignorance of the distinction between the Classical and the Romantic periods of music to a lover of Classical music such as myself
truecrypt, as always, many thanks for posting! This is a fascinating rendition, noble and restrained yet what abysses he opens up right beneath the surface! It's downright disconcerting. This (and many other Sofronitzky recordnings) should be mandatory listening for young musicians so they get a sense of what happens when you take music absolutely seriously.
excuse me, i am interested to know who is "Stephane Lemelin". I don't even see his records or concert...because i locate in the desert of culture....hong kong.
Very good recording, but I do prefer some sections to be much more tender than they were played here. In particular, the trio seemed to be turbulent rather than sweet and subtle. That melody in the last couple of bars before it modulates is my favorite when played soft and tenderly. But that is just how I prefer it.
jayductor 1 month ago
Thumps up if Jimmy Darmody brought you here.
benkata 2 months ago
Just love the middle part!
funkie1221 4 months ago 2
best youtube version...
pedroiniesta88 6 months ago
(I appreciate Wikipaedia's contributions in the descriptions on previous comment)
MrFerminleon 7 months ago
Franz Schubert's Impromptus, Opp. 90 and 142 (posth.), are a series of pieces for solo piano composed in 1827 and first published during the composer's lifetime (or shortly thereafter) under that name. There are eight such Impromptus in total.
Three other unnamed piano compositions, written in May 1828, a few months before the composer's death, are alternatively indicated as Impromptus or Klavierstücke ("piano pieces").
MrFerminleon 7 months ago
Truecrypt, thank you for posting all these musicians who are actually worth listening too.... Really I think I've learned a lot just by listening to the pianists who you post, Sofronitsky, Rachmaninov, Hofmann, Richter, Gilels etc. And on other channels, various singers, violinists, conductors etc. If it weren't youtube I think I'd be stuck with the radio broadcasts of the chamber music society at lincoln center... :) thanks!
themindandmusic 8 months ago
you guys are doing it wrong. just listen.
russellthedavis 8 months ago 2
In my opinion, THE way it should be played. even though it says allegretto, I prefer this version by far. practicing to play it myself :)
Subject134127 9 months ago
Beautiful! So beautiful. :)
OrangeSodaKing 1 year ago
Here the Beethoven-Schubert connection is crystal clear.
If one needed playing to define the word inspiration.one need not look any farther.
Thank you for making this available.
raanan17 1 year ago
not bad
crazybunnie77777 1 year ago
is the beginning a double period?
DealTurtle 1 year ago
my friend play this
Sophie13punk 1 year ago
You guys argue way too much (truecrypt and snowbeast132). Does it really matter? Seriously!
KamikazeKaitouJewel 1 year ago 10
@KamikazeKaitouJewel
Sometimes it matters... and very seriously.
truecrypt 1 year ago
@KamikazeKaitouJewel That really wasn't a very bad argument. I've seen way worse on YouTube...
speedyoncp 1 year ago
wow. i dunno why, but to me, this sounds really similar to Beethoven's Sonata Op. 26 No. 2- listen to the first movement ( the variations)- hopefully i'm not the only who thinks so.
PianoFanatic1989 1 year ago
@PianoFanatic1989 that shows, that you have a very good hearing!:) it sounds similar because it is on the same key (A-flat Major) and the first two notes are the same!:) I had never thought about it, because that you mention it you are absolutly right :)
Masmorra84 1 year ago
@facefantome Sofronitsky est un des dieux du piano, un des plus grands!...
MarioLubenov 1 year ago
That is, the previously comment applies mostly to the beginning section.
Lukecash12 2 years ago
This almost sounds like Schubert's version of a minuet by Mozart.
Lukecash12 2 years ago
u played it? wow, around 1:20 when you play the note harder, it's so ciolent, i feel the emotion, that was awesome, really, the one who played it is an exellent pianist!
facefantome 2 years ago
There are soooooooo many repeat sections in this song, it's crazy...
DarthYoungling 2 years ago
Few pieces only can make me bristle up and flush, thank you! :)
schtroumphette7 2 years ago
Hmm, there are a lot of rubato pauses. I feel it's kind of choppy. But my piano teacher recommended this, so I guess she likes it.
springzhu 2 years ago
As much as I enjoy commenting on these videos sometimes I find it useless to comment on them due to the fact that my words would not put my feelings towards both the composer and the pianist to justice...
bineblies 2 years ago 14
truecrypt, are you Parisian? That would explain your attitude perfectly. I would like to add that this Impromptus is a (for your vocabulary's sake) "wretched" recording.
snowbeast132 2 years ago
Dear snowbeast132,
Are you from Wasilla, AK? (no pun to the rest of Wasilla's people intended...)
It would perfectly explain your own views and preferences.
truecrypt 2 years ago
truecrypt:
While I understand your desire to have pieces such as this appreciated properly, I feel that people should have the right to express their feelings their own way. It annoys me too when a persons comments with something idiotic like "the dude who played this is awesome" or something, but don't be annoyed. Rather, pity them for failing to comprehend what they're missing, not knowing more.
By the way, thanks for uploading.Tried to sightread this but stopped at 16. Better with ear.
zUchihaCloudz 2 years ago
Dear Warren,
You're right in many ways, but my problem with "these people" is not actually their vocabulary, jargon or lack of education. Judgmental mentality without a hint of understanding and loud demand for "respec" deserve a little slap now and then. I don't do it too often... ;) If good people would be more active and united, YT could become much more friendly and *cleaner* place. Probably I'm too old-fashioned though...
truecrypt 2 years ago
Too heavy a playing. Shubert's style is tender and soft, . It should be simple and sweet, not pensive and introspective. I like Sofronitsky for Chopin but not for Schubert.
freeqwerqwer 2 years ago
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Well... matter of style is a bit more complicated than you think. You see/hear this music as "simple and sweet", for Sofronitsky it is complex and bitter... Sometimes great artistry can't satisfy generic perception.
truecrypt 2 years ago
Hello truecrypt, thanks for the "Impromptus," but how can you seriously believe that vocabulary is related in to musical appreciation? Is it because of "musicians pride," the innate belief that if you have good hand-eye coordination, your more clever than those who can't? I would say that living human beings deserve more respect than deceased ones, no matter how great they were and no matter how unknown the living is. We're only preventing new "greats" by acting this way.
snowbeast132 2 years ago
Dear snowbeast132,
If one expresses his/her feelings using only 2 categories: "feel good" and "feel bad", has a vocabulary of 50-200 words and has zero knowledge about art - yes, I believe such person would have limited abilities to appreciate classical music.
Why such people always demand respect (should I say "respec"?) and insist on *freedom of expression* is a mystery to me.
As for "living human beings deserve more respect than deceased ones" - I wouldn't generalize so broadly.
truecrypt 2 years ago
Search "Daniel Beliavsky plays Schubert's Impromptu No. 2, Op. 142," nobody seems to understand your taste. ttyl my bff.
snowbeast132 2 years ago
Dear snowbeast132,
Daniel Beliavsky may be a nice guy and decent pianist, but comparing him to Sofronitsky would be very unfair to both of them. I'd rather prefer not to "ttyl" and not to be your "bbf".
truecrypt 2 years ago
wats wrong with saying that composers r dudes with mad piano skills? its just another way of expressing your enjoyment of their music :)
moonraze 2 years ago
Something is very wrong if you even ask about this... ;)
Neither great composers nor outstanding performers are "dudes" or "guys".
An appropriate language is a bare minimum of the respect we all should pay to them.
truecrypt 2 years ago
no offense or anything but i think thats ridic. XD the greatest respect u can pay to them is to listen to their music or play it yourself. it really doesnt matter if u refer to them as "guys" or "dudes" since in reality every brilliant anyone is just another person.
moonraze 2 years ago
Probably this is generational... For you Sofronitsky is "dude" and Impromptus is a "song".
Schubert is a "guy" who wrote this "tune".
It is "cool", "yo man"...
Unfortunately great and complicated art can't be addressed by primitive terms and emotions. The way you speak defines the way you think (and vice versa).
You try to equalize yourself to great minds by saying that they are just "another person". You are very mistaken.
truecrypt 2 years ago
believe me wen i say that im not trying to equalize myself with great minds.. and no. im really not mistaken. but thanks for the opinion :) u can continue using your "evolutionary" speech patterns to respect great art and i shall show my respect through enjoyment. p.s. no, an impromptus is not a song, a song is sung by a singer.......;P
moonraze 2 years ago
I don't see how he is not equal to a great mind, sure Schubert, Sofronitsky etc... may be better musicians they may be smarter etc... but that does not make them unequal. But I don't think anyone should be conceited enough to compare themselves with someone like Sofronitsky.
morvensky 2 years ago
I'm not talking about social inequality... Everybody deserves equal opportunities, rights, etc. But as for musicianship, talent, artistic abilities... Schubert, Sofronitsky and "moonraze" are NOT equal. Addressing Great Masters as "dudes" and "guys" probably sounds "democratic" but in reality demonstrates disrespect and low class. Nothing to do with real *equality*.
truecrypt 2 years ago
@moonraze your egalitarianim is stunning. Without the men who *were* brilliant, you would not survive at all. Without the men who invented the internet, you would not be able to insult them on their own inventions. Without musicians like Sofronitsky or Schubert, music would die pretty quickly. It is a person's personal character and worth which decides how much respect they deserve. Is there no difference between a theif and an honest man? Or a genius vs. Hitler?
themindandmusic 1 year ago
@moonraze It's an insult to Sofronitsky to claim that he deserves as much respect as the man who refuses to think and practice. And yes, I am being judgemental - that is the whole point, to judge with reality and your own mind. Who is more of a value to you - Einstein or "just another person"? Sofronitsky deserves an enourmus amount of respect, precisely for his ability not only to play notes but to actually make music.
themindandmusic 1 year ago
A lesson in humility is all very well, but what this guy really needs is a brain implant! A 14 outa 16 song authority dealing out expert advice to Sofronitsky...
Reading the comments of American teenagers who are "into" classical music (and who tend to reduce it to the spiritual and intelectual level of computer games) is truly a bizarre experience. with them Richter and Kissin (sic!) are dudes with "mad piano skills" playing "songz"...
punkpoetry 2 years ago
It bother me coming across comments like yours. I'm 14 myself and I know for a fact that I, myself do not write comments nor think of composers as.. "dudes with mad piano skills" did you say? (And if anything, skills would be the word with the Z).
And the whole "spiritual and intellectual level of computer games" comment? Well that was just insulting.
RockaRecord 2 years ago 2
You're right, it should've been "skillz", admittedly I'm not that conversant with this idiom
There are always exceptions aplenty, it would be foolish not to acknowledge this. Yet it seems to me that the overwhelming majority of US teenagers tend towards the brash and the oafish. Sadly for me, since I'm an ardent admirer of too many things American
btw, it appears from your comment that you take Richter and Kissin to be composers...
punkpoetry 2 years ago
Well from what I've heard from my piano teacher in the past, Richter and Kissin are pianists aren't they? Not composers. I was referring to schubert though :).
Ah well, I'm not even american.
RockaRecord 2 years ago
i totally agree! people should not throw us(teenagers) into one large group based solely on our age. some of us do have a passion for classical music and have more respect for Kissin and Richter than to say they are "dudes with mad piano skillz"!
Gottahavemusic449 2 years ago
i dont understand what ur saying/ just cuz someone is a teenager they cant seriously enjoy classical music?im 15 and started learining this song today...
peteribored777 2 years ago
and besides, this is NOT classical music. its from the romantic period... so get ur facts straight before insulting teenagers. im 15 yr old and knew that...
peteribored777 2 years ago
"Classical music" is a common enough generic term for the body of "serious" (whatever this might mean) European music starting with the Renaissance (earlier than that on some definitions, starting with Bach on others etc) and up to these days. I'm sorry for the harsh language, but it takes a complete retard to try to ascribe ignorance of the distinction between the Classical and the Romantic periods of music to a lover of Classical music such as myself
btw, I played this "song" too - so what?
punkpoetry 2 years ago
Its so beautiful !
annaerl 2 years ago
a bit slower than the others : interesting version . it looks as though he gave more intensity, and especially on his chord 2.29--2.30
tchebinai71 2 years ago
truecrypt, as always, many thanks for posting! This is a fascinating rendition, noble and restrained yet what abysses he opens up right beneath the surface! It's downright disconcerting. This (and many other Sofronitzky recordnings) should be mandatory listening for young musicians so they get a sense of what happens when you take music absolutely seriously.
123mortimer456 2 years ago
amen!
locksinfinite 2 years ago
listen to beethoven's sonata op. 26
the melody's really similar
mazen6 2 years ago 2
which part?
libetta 2 years ago
excuse me, i am interested to know who is "Stephane Lemelin". I don't even see his records or concert...because i locate in the desert of culture....hong kong.
nelsonyum 3 years ago
Thank you Andre.
pjioayncoe 3 years ago
interesting version, thanks for posting! :D
pierrovah 3 years ago
So you played this "song", got 14/16 and consider yourself "one of the greatest"...
Truly - ignorance is bliss.
truecrypt 3 years ago
You probably don't know that Sofronitsky is dead for quite a while...
You probably also don't know that he was one of the greatest pianists of the 20th century.
Your "advice" is extremely inappropriate and marked by lack of intellectual acuity.
truecrypt 3 years ago 2
please, its just funny
blanca0287 3 years ago
Great but I prefer the Alfred Brendel's recording !
Angepianiste 3 years ago