Well the thing is Russia has an economy about the size of Spain,so this is one competition Russia can not win....It takes massive resources to build large numbers of advanced 5th generation aircraft...
why are there always people who are placing comments to someone else about whats wrong or right: russia is better/ no usa is much better!.Why dont we all just shut up about that and just say what you think of the fricking plane! Cause when shit goes wrong between US and Russia there will be no winner.. just some fucking bombcraters to my west and to my east!! The vid is here... not to talk about politics, but to have a look at what the russians greated. And i think it's a good jet. End of story
@UsedToFly1 Fine. It's to little and way to late. Re-skinning old tech does not a 5th generation fighter make. Heck, I can go out in my garage and build a Ferrari body and put it on a 1981 Yugo, but that doesn't make it a Ferrari. The avionics package is crap! A Hand Pump for the fuel system? Are you kidding me?!
@BadBunnyRides Oh so you have detailed info on the avionics? Please share, you are one of the few to have information on it obviously, everyone else has to rely on estimates based upon the Su-35.
@Buuub08 Despite your condescending post, I'll even answer you (but only because you're from China and I have friends there); yes I've seen them, yes I've looked in the cockpit and yes I've talked to pilots who fly them. Going on almost 25+ years now as Military/PMC/PSD so I goto a lot of places you would never get into as Security to those I work for.
@BadBunnyRides Hmm. So the Russians dont even let their own people look inside yet they let a random American into the T-50?
OK, should be simple for you then - how many displays does the T-50 have and whats the difference from Su-35. Also name the location the jet is stationed.
Also a side note, you said:
"yes I've seen them, yes I've looked in the cockpit and yes I've talked to pilots who fly them"
THEM? There is only ONE flyable. And there is only ONE pilot who is flying it.
Russian air force won't able to buy more PAK FA. The reason why is because your still buying 112 Su-35 $65 million each, 358 Su-34 $36 million each, 40 Mig-35 Fulcrum $38 million, 100 Mig-29SMT $15 million each, 100 IL-214 MTA $600 million development cost, ? PAK DA $? probably would cost closely to B-2 prices, & 300 PAK FA &100 million each. Total cost >$113,188,000,000. Russian air force won't able to built more PAK FA. Russian is the most Retarded nation on the planet.
Too bad the old Su-27 look had to be dumped, this is more ugly but still, well done Russia. Putting a fighter in the air on a budget that tiny is a great achievement. However I don't see how they'll pay for new engines, sensors and developement costs that are yet to come, they'll end up with 50 or so of this again I guess too bad.
@repsollenny The yanks and euros that pump up their cars with Urals-based gasolene will pay for PAK-FA, and even more. A pretty good trade, don't you think?
@SovietWarrior The superior U.S. Air Force fighter jets will swat like flies all inferior communist Ruskie planes out of sky and fall like plum from tree to ground. The superior U.S. Navy fleets and ships will crush like old rusty can all inferior communist Ruskie boats to bottom of sea and become fish sanctuary.
Those stupid americans, apparently the F-22 has MAJOR malfunctions, like its rader 'skin' affected by rain, and how it has a malfunction every 1.7 hours, furthermore the F-22 apparently for every hour of flight needs 30 hours of maintanance, HERES THE EVIDENCE
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The Russians have manged to create the best stealth fighter for their money that is perfect for air defense needs. It will probably be ~1/3 of the Raptor's cost, thanks to shared development & procurement costs with India. The main fuselage is from a modified SU-27 series, particularly the rear center. I cannot wait to see the operational version. Unfortunately, it will be years before that happens.
The wing design looks extremely similar to the F-22 Raptor's, very rough-edged. I absolutely love that characteristic of these new fifth-gen fighters.
Hey guys this is just Baby steps for the New Russian Stealth Fak Pa T-50 but it will grow up into a Monster that will devour your piece of shit $350 US Dollar waste pay check cutter F-22 Raptor!! Even US department of defense says its useless! thats why Obama trying to Ban on building these Waste of Billions dollars worthless piece of metal!
The only nations can afford to buy Sukhoi PAK FA T-50 for export is Brazil, Venezuela, Belarus, Libya, Angola, Vietnam, and Saudi Arabia. Syria is never likely able to afford it and Iran is likely to fall from favor.
man i hate brazil president...if he had bought the su-35 brazil could participate the pak fa project, but nooooooo we had to buy the rafales.......btw good video
VVS shouldn't depend on this for air superiority. It's not needed to counter stealth planes in large numbers - stealth planes in large numbers are no longer stealth planes. Sukhoi should stick with the big 27-series airframe for air superiority and use only a few of these T-50's for specialized missions. The f-35 is the biggest mistake the Pentagon ever made. It's just an attack plane, not a fighter, and it has a weak fuselage.
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The Pak Fa will be a great addition to the russian airforce, once it is thoroughly tested and improved in certain aspects it will deftinitely be a match for the f-22. The only advantage i give the raptor is stealth.
F-22 is a failure, US is too scared to sell it and let others find out it flaws,
Russia has sold its PAK FA before its even mass produced,
F-35 was reported to have major setbacks and the pentagon sacked the main development chief, BBC NEWS a while ago,
PAK FA rules,
come on Raptor, if your 5th gen is so good why cancel it and not sell it to anyone, either 1. major flaws 2. the planes producer built the F-22 so it cost more to maintian than buy
Oh no!! The F-35A's actual buy price for foreign countries is only $69million each.
Better stealth, better avionics, better BVR and WVR capability, cheaper maintenance, better durability, better strike capabilities for 2/3 the price of the PAK FA.
Wonder how long before India pulls out and goes with the F-35?
@FXWorldBeater Australia did a test and proved that in visual range combat, all of the F series planes that are in service in the US army today get destroyed by Russian SU series, pretty easily too. Also, the so called stealth technology, at times it works, and at times it doesn't. Look at the F117 shot down in Serbia for example.
@Unit987654321 Lol @ Australia doing a test. Who are you referring to? RAND or AirPowerAustralia. If you say RAND, then your facts are plain wrong. If you say APA then you have no credibility....they are not military analysts.
The F117 shot in Serbia. It was spotted by radar and shot down from 10miles away. The radar that spotted it has a range of 150miles. I would say that proves its stealth quite well.
@FXWorldBeater Regradless of what radar detected it. It was detected, and that proves that it is obsolete. I don't know what Australian group did a test, I'll send you a link:
@Unit987654321 whatever, get educated and come back some day. Stealth is about reducing the distance that you can be detected....it was never meant to make aircraft invisible right up to the radar emitter.
10 miles detection of the old, obsolete F-117's is quite impressive. Considering that aircraft had no RWR, the F-22, and F-35 are much better equipped to deal with ground radar now.
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@FXWorldBeater The F22's and F35's stealth so called "Skin" is vulnerable to rain. So yes, it may be more effective but only in the most ideal conditions, which are not always available. That's quite a big drawback, I mean if you are using military equipment that can only function in ideal conditions, then you are pretty much screwed.
@Unit987654321 Lol, that so called "analyst" they interviewed was Carlos Kopp from APA.
Now I know you don't have the knowledge or intellect to be able to understand the content of the web page I linked below, but here's a critique on Carlo's work from someone who "actually" knows jet warfare...
tinyurl . com / y7ptfb7
As mentioned earlier Carlo Kopp is just an IT guy with only a provisional pilot's license...nothing more.
@Unit987654321 That news report also mentioned the same RAND report I mentioned. Basically the results of the RAND theoretical excercise was that a small group of F-22's and F-35's ran out of missiles when they were attacked by hundreds of chinese aircraft. The report said nothing at all about aircraft capability (except that the F-22's had a 100% kill rate vs their opponents). None of the F-22's or F-35's were shot down by other aircraft in the wargame, they ran out of fuel.
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@FXWorldBeater And yet the report specifically says that Red force dominated the exercise. If the F22's and F35's had a 100% kill rate, then the report would have said that the Blue force emerged victorious. Also, Obama canceled production of this plane due to it's failure. Maybe in non-visual range combat it might emerge victorious over the SU series, but in visual range combat it is obsolete.
@Unit987654321 no...the 20ish F-22's got 100% kill but due to the number of enemies (300 + chinese aircraft) they couldn't win.
Of course in real life, the encounter didn't take into account intel of the iminent chinese attack or the fact the US forces near Taiwan would be backed up by a few aircraft carriers as well.
@FXWorldBeater regarding RAM. US jets have a few different layers of RAM paint on them. They have the normal prermanent stuff which is the same as what the Russians, Europeans....everyone else uses these days.
US jets also have a superabsorbant temporary paint (a very powdery type material) which washes off with water. When this stuff washes off, the aircraft still have the same type of RAM that everyone else is using.
@Unit987654321 What? You're dreaming...the F22 is the still the best close range dogfighter. The F-35 will be better though. With optical sensors that can track targets 360 degrees around the plane, it will dominate. Doesn't need to maneuver when it can fire missiles at planes behind it.
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@FXWorldBeater So, what are your sources to the info on the RAND exercise? I still don't think the F series comes anywhere close to the SU series in terms of visual range combat, in long range maybe. I have never seen a single F plane be capable of performing extreme maneuvers such as the 'cobra'. Also, Obama has cancelled production of the F22 and F35, there is a reason for that and that may be because they were proven faulty.
@Unit987654321 Sorry to disappoint but the reason production was stopped was because they are simply not needed. No air force stands a chance against the US today. Russia only has 700 4th gen aircraft, China even less. USA has 3000 4th gen aircraft. Why have an expensive superfighter when you can slaughter anyone else easily without it.
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@FXWorldBeater I read your other posts, and it seems you understand :) Yeah why build a expensive A2A when you won't be even using it, you can clearly masscre anyone just by apaches/tomahawks.
@Unit987654321 Also, the F22 is an old plane even thought its still the best by far, 2010 US budget documents clearly show in their aircraft procurement plans that the F-22's successor will begin development in 2020.
We can expect a combination of everything that makes the F-22 an awesome A2A fighter + a lot of the great avionics that are built into the F-35.....and some more surprises.
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@FXWorldBeater USA cancelled f22 cos it sucks, it cost like 300million per plane, radio isolation, requires like 30 hours maintenence for 1-2hours in a flight...F35 VTOL is nearly the same as F22. Leave the aircrafts to the russians Mig-37 and SUs are just way to good.
@Claymore2408 Its not that it sucks that it was cancelled, mainly that large numbers are not needed right now. US will be flying F-22's combined with heavily upgraded F-15C's as their air superiority package. Basically the F-15's will be fitted with large tanks and upgraded radars/IRST/EW gear.
@Claymore2408 The F-15's will be unstealthy and running their radars while the F-22's will be invisible and running cold and will be doing the shooting on targets the F-15's pick up. The F-15's with large fuel tanks will be loitering while F-22's shoot and run.....its a good strategy.
@TheRealHawkeye with the extremely high agility and accuracy of today's medium range missiles, its all about who sees who first.
Given this is sukhoi's first venture into stealth and they wouldn't have perfected the materials and testing facilities yet, odds are the F22 will see it first.
@FXWorldBeater Hehe, i think any good marine is itching for a good modern fight, iraq isn't what i call a modern day warfare, just IED hit and run same in afghanistan.
@Suyamu nothing to do with stealth shaping. L-band attempts to counter the RAM build into the surfaces of stealth aircraft (those surfaces are optimised for neutralising returning x-band waves). However due to the characteristics of l-band signals, it is terrible for long range target tracking. The effective range of L-Band radar where its actually able to track a target is likely to be well within the range of IRST anyway.
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@FXWorldBeater missiles usually are fire and forget types and have their own seekers these days - just point them in the direction and they'll find it once they get closer.
Not to mention it's probably going to be a superior dog-fighter.
An attack on a detected F-22 can also be coordinated with other friendlies in the theater.
@Suyamu example....an L-Band radar might tell you what direction a target is from time to time, but the actual range of the target might be way off. You fire a shot, but he missile itself still won't be able to see the stealthy target and the mid-course updates from your PAK FA would be wrong, so the shot fails....
@Claymore2408 The F-22's will use stealth so they are not shot at, the F-15's will use EW to defeat radars and missiles fired at them....its a pretty sweet combination.
Considering Russian aircraft are huge and extremely unstealthy (ie. detected from very long range), its a great anti-sukhoi strategy.
@Claymore2408 The F-15's can remain on the outer edge of the R-77's range where escape is quite easy.
The F-22's can zoom in high, fast and stealthily to well within the "no escape zone" of their AIM-120D's and pretty much acheive a 100% PK on the target (the more boost power your missile has when it reaches the target, the less chance of escape. F-22 Speed, height and close range missile release increases PK massively)
Its a great strategy and really exploits the F-22's stealth.
@Unit987654321 Here's a couple statistics for you. The F-16, used by airforces worldwide currently has a record of 66 kills, 0 losses against enemy aircraft (mainly russian built).
The F-15 beats that record....it currently stands at 105 to 0. The F-22 beat the F-15 by a factor of 15 to 1 at red flag.
@Unit987654321 On top of the RAM, most of the RCS reduction in the F-22 and F-35 design comes from its VLO shape (and in the case of the F-35, its small size). The PAK FA is a VERY large aircraft from the front.
My mistake about the RAND excercise.....it was 6 F-22's vs 72 Su-27's. The chinese blow up their airfield with balistic missiles so they can't land (or get more in the air) . F-22's shoot down half of the SU-27's (without losing ANY F-22's) then run out of missiles.
The SU-27's sneak through the net and get the US tanker.....the F-22's have no airfield and no tanker and ditch in the ocean.
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@FXWorldBeater Although the video I saw was not specific on how the Red team won, it said that "hundreds of Blue force aircraft (F series) were lost in the first 20 minutes". You should also watch this report on the F22 Raptor:
@Unit987654321 Thats right it did say that, or that's what Carlo Kopp reported to them. But true to his normal form he only told a small part of the story to suite himself (he has a vested interest in the cancellation of Australia getting F-35's).
The attack from China started with medium-long range icbm's hitting the US airfield...hence a lot of planes were lost on the ground (or effectively taken out of combat in the first 20 minutes).
@Unit987654321 So many unintelligent plebs on this site make the comment that stealth is obsolete, and the even dumber ones do it on the PAK FA threads.
What they fail to take into account is that both Russia and China are trying to build their own stealth aircraft.
This plane has nothing of a real 5th gen fighter, its a maked up SU 30 with some angled shapes à la Raptor, great communication effort from dying russian out dated technology, USSR is over, and the tiny T50 budget will not make them coming back from 20 years of western technologies about stealth!
They're not really that close. Especially lately, in terms of military equipment, Russia has become suspicious of China, due to industrial espionage, and basically the unlicensed "cloning" of its military hardware (example being J-11B vs. Su-27). The attempts to buy several naval Su-33s to clone them (being denied, and then buying the old Su-33 prototype from Ukraine).
I'm pretty confident China won't be getting the PAK-FA.
@Abanamat85 funny how the communist Gooks are stealing from the communist Ruskies, lol. The both of them steal from the west and mostly from the U.S. lol pathetic communist bastards.
Seeing as how you're 51, calling Ruskies communist and painting them all as bastards, I make the conclusion that you're probably a pretty Hawkish, blindly patriotic American piece of shit with your head far up your ass.
I have a set of arguments to counter your opinion, but seeing as how your head is far up your ass (as I've mentioned before), it would be pointless (as is arguing on the Internet in general).
@Abanamat85 correct, " stealth theory" MAY have come from communist Ruskies but the Americans put it into production, NOT CANADA OR RUSKIELAND. Why so bitter for a Canuk? You would think you would be a little more grateful to your big brother who has defended you for the last 100 yrs where you can run your socialist mouth off. Russia and China, no Bill Of Rights, no freedom of speech, press, assembly, protest, private property rights, no jury trial by peers or presumption of innocence. Dick.
@Abanamat85 Yes I am an American and am not hawkish but that is OK, you are in denial with Russia and China and you can thank an American soldier for your "somewhat freedom" you have. You would be speaking Japanese, Russia or German if not for the U.S.. Canada could not fight its way out of a paper bag. I thought Canadians and Americans were friends, some friends you turned out to be. Is the rest of Canada as much of a dickhead like you? The Canadians I have met were descent, you seem bitter.
@Abanamat85 The U.S. may not be perfect and it may make mistakes and it may suck, BUT THE WHOLE WORLD SUCKS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THE U.S.. I can think of many nations that you can beat up on way before the U.S. Russia and China for starters.
@Abanamat85 Hey Canuc, in the last 100 yrs.: no nation has donated more food, water, clothing, tents, medicine, water purification systems, well drilling equipment, doctors, money, farm equipment than the mighty and generous U.S.A.. No nation has liberated more nations and people than the U.S.. The U.S. has never kept any land for herself. So you can run your mouth off all you want but we both know the truth about the great U.S.A. don't we. Now get back to your socialist videos. Cheers commie
@Abanamat85 Hey socialist Canuc, in the last 100 years the communist Ruskies have murdered 37 million of their own citizens and China has murdered upward of 100 million! Both have starved and tortured millions. Gulags and slave labor camps, political prisoners. China sells prisoners organs! China has forced sterilization. China murders more prisoners than ALL nations combined. The International Red Cross is not allowed into the gulags and slave labor camps, why not?
Regarding the aircraft, this fighter has been in development for quite some time. It is not yet a 5th gen product, but some of the relevant tech is approaching completion.
Compared to the western tech, it is often similar in purpose and appearance, but may be vastly different in operation and maintenance (eg. engine tech). Some of the stuff is license produced western tech.
Calling this thing a "Concordski" is misguided, I think.
@Abanamat85 never called it a "concordski". Not my words. I do believe the Ruskies stole and purchased some of the technology. The "Cold War" may be over as far as the Soviet Union goes, but the Ruskies are not yet a nation to be trusted. They have along way to go. There is no Bill Of Rights, no right to protest, no right to assemble, horrible human rights records, no presumption of innocence, no freedom of press, no free speech, they still have a secret police, and political prisoners.
@Abanamat85 I really don't think the "Cold War" is really over when it comes to espionage, military, politics, ideaology. Soviet Union fell but the tension is still alive. For example Putin ordered the murder of an English citizen and his name was Alexander Litvenenko. He poisoned him. Not really a tactic used by modern politicians. Russia is still selling military hardware to belligerent nations like N. Korea, Syria, Venezuela and others who are very hostile nations toward the U.S./west.
Litvinenko was ex-FSB, he was working with Berezovski (the rapist of Russia), so his hands aren't really clean. I don't feel bad for him one bit.
Now you say Russia is lacking democracy. Yes it is, I agree.
But you know, for a country that never had anything like it before (first Monarchy, then communism and only now some form of capitalism) how can the world expect russia to suddenly up and become like Norway or smth?
The road only just started. It will take a long time.
@canaryman69 Actually anyone with an IQ higher than that of a block of cheese knows that the Litvinenko poisoning was a false flag thing intended to stir up some stuff. It did a little bit, just as some other intentionally loud murder cases.
"He poisoned him".. As in like personally put Polonium in his tea?
Selling weapons is not illegal by any means, just because its a country the US doesnt like for certain reasons doesnt mean you can do business with them. It goes the same way for the US.
@Buuub08 Russia and China no right to assemble or protest. Many Russians have been arrested and tortured and killed. Russia has many political prisoners along with China. The International Red Cross is NOT allowed in Russian or Chinese prisons, why not? In Russia there is NO presumption of innocence or jury trial by peers, no right to privacy, no individual rights, no private property rights, no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press, no Human Rights Watch has reports on Russia and China.
@Buuub08 are you denying Putin ordered the murder of Litvenenko? If you are denying it, then you are a moron. If you can admit Putin ordered the poisoning or killing of Litvenenko then you must admit he is guilty of murder. Amnesty International has reports on Russia/China and on human and civil rights violations. Why is Amnesty International not allowed in Russian or Chinese prisons? What about the U.N. reports on the brutality of Russia and China? Try speaking out in Russia see what happens.
@Buuub08 Russia and China no Bill Of Rights, no 2nd amendment, no 4th amendment. In the last 100 years Russia and China have been the most brutal and murderous of societies. Russia killed 37 million of its own citizens and China killed up to 100 million! In the last 100 years the U.S. has been the most generous nation. No nation has donated more money, food, water, medicine, clothing, tents, farm equipment, water purification systems and well drilling equipment than the mighty U.S.A.!
@canaryman69 2nd amendment allows free use of weapons. Its a safety issue.
4th? Its a myth even in the US. And by laws all over the world youre innocent until proven guilty.
Dude you know absolutely jackshit.
Most brutal and murderous societies? Oh wow now you gonna bring up history and civil wars. Youre an idiot. How about those the US killed in SOVEREIGN countries? Plus dont forget your democracy is built on mass genocide and slavery.
FALSE! The US is a country with the MOST foreign loans. China currently is the biggest creditor in the history on mankind. The US alone owes China almost 1 trillion. You need to borrow just to sustain your standard of life as otherwise your country cant sustain itself.
Humanitarian aid now eh?
1) its donated by private organizations
2) the most "help" come in response to contracts, like Iraq as a recent example.
@Buuub08 you just admitted that the U.S. has donated the most money and aid. The U.S.A. may be broke and own China alot of money but the U.S.A. is the most generous nation. China and Russia are the brutal.
@Buuub08 I have no interest in going to a communist nation that does not allow me free movement and one that has a secret police, spying, and no rights. In the last 100 years the U.S. has donated the most whether it is our government or private citizens and Russia and China donate nothing. Yes the U.S. government is broke and still is the most generous nation. In the 100 years China and Russia have been brutal and the U.S. the most generous. Cheers commie
@Buuub08 just because the communist Gooks have loaned the U.S.A. money does not mean that the U.S. is not the most generous. Also it does not mean the Chicoms are the most generous, get it commie? China has murdered over 100 million of its own citizens! Russia has murdered has over 37 million! Just because because the Gooks have loaned the U.S. money does not mean they are a generous society. You are confusing money and loans with freedom and liberty, peace and prosperity.
@canaryman69 Depends on what you see as generosity. IMO lending 1 trillion to someone knowing he will never be able to pay it back is rather generous.
Commie? walao, you are just another double standard media educated idiot.
All you know is how goodie goodie you are and how bad everyone else is closing eyes on your own history and double standard policy.
The USA has no money, its wealth is virtual. Companies have money the state doesnt, it runs a 65 trillion obligation deficit.
@Buuub08 the U.S.A. doesn't loan money and if it does it does not mean the U.S.A. and its private citizens are not generous. The private citizens of the U.S., it's churchs, corporations, it's foundations, and it's charities DONATE that means give away more than any other citizens. In fact that amount amout is 300 billion per year. Also the U.S. government donates the most of any government. The U.S. military delivers the most aid of any nation. Now what nation does more? commie
@canaryman69 do you even know what communism is? If its so bad why is your government sucking commie dick just to get more loans? hm?
Yes people and companies donate. The PEOPLE are immigrants from predominantly Europe. However you seem to forget that the same companies and people make billions on the behalf of other nations and your own folk as well as a matter of fact.
It never stops to amaze me how you yanks always ignore your own history and think youre in any position to advise others.
@Buuub08 I am not giving advice to commies, I am merely stating a fact that Russia and China in the last 100 years have been the most brutal, and the U.S. has been the most generous, FACT! NOT advice. It amazes me that you can't seem to acknowledge this. If you want to state that the U.S. has not been the most generous than who has? I asked you are question, what nation in the last 100 years has donated the most? what nation/s have been the most brutal? cheers commie and good luck
@canaryman69 The "brutality" were civil wars. The US had a civil war as well and literary slaughtered the indigenous population. But as usual for Americans - you think what you did is fine but for everyone else thats bad. How about we start counting the places the US has conducted illegal government overthrows, creation and funding of underground organizations, falsifying evidence and conducting false flag operations just just get into a war.
@canaryman69 The most generous would in fact be in fact Sweden not the US as for official state donations, as for people -its Luxembourg. Get your facts straight not the way you want them to be.
Most brutal? there is no such list. But as far as the murder of people of other countries goes - the US leads by a long shot. Be happy - one more thing youre #1 at.
Internal civil wars and colonization victims mostly have no numbers.
@Buuub08 LOL the communist propaganda is alive and well in Ruskieland and Chinkland! OK I will allow you to spew your bull, but we both know the truth as to what nation has been the most generous. The U.S. has been more generous than the Russians and Chinese. Also the Russians and Chinese have been the most brutal. Commie, I am done with you and your lies. It is fine with me what you say but the world knows the truth and you and I know the truth. Long live capitalism, liberty and freedom.
@Buuub08 In the last 100 years the U.S. has NOT slaughtered anybody that did not deserve it. The American Indians were not slaughtered. Did you know how many innocent white people and Europeans the Native Americans killed? I will tell you, the Indians murdered 19,000 white familes and the white man killed 19,000 Native Americans, mostly defensive. Did you know most Native Americans died of diseases and wars fought with each other. Yes Indian tribes actually killed each other! Cheers commie
@canaryman69 Russia and China starved, tortured and enslaved BILLIONS?
Excuse me but you fail history again - the biggest slaver in history in in fact the USA. "All men are created equal, and get me a beer nigger!" You also fail math obviously.
Not slaughtered anybody who didnt deserve it? Aha, ok and what did a couple hundred thousand Iraqis do to deserve to die? What did 4 million Vietnamese did to get sprayed by AO?
Its almost sad you have no counter arguments aside from what you make yourself believe.
Most generous government - SWEDEN, mot generous people - Luxembourg. FACT!
Internal civil wars are of no concern to anyone. Why would you be concerned about Chinese civil wars when you hate everyone? Same with Russia. That doesnt change the fact that your life depends on them.
yeah sure again twisting thing to your liking - American civil war 150 years but you only want to talk about 100 years, why not 1000?
The US has caused, provoked or been involved in numerous conflicts all over the world and caused MILLIONS of innocent deaths. FALSIFYING evidence (Iraq), false flag operations as an excuse for war (Vietnam), illegal government overthrows. Even the fucking Al Qaeda is a CIA child with the Bin Laden family living in Lengley Virginia.
Yanks have never given a shit about anything but money, and yet their entire economy depends on foreign loans and AID.
@6308281 Ok, what do YOU know about Communism? All you know is what youve been told - its "evil" and youre "good", right?
Just because you were told so doesnt mean its correct. In Nazi Germany people were told Hitler was doing the right thing and many believed that. Thats called propaganda, the US excels in that more than the USSR ever did.
Communism has nothing to do with millions having to die, its a form of socialism and socialism is not a bad idea if not exploited.
Ive been to every communist state apart from Cuba, i know very well what its like and have spoken to people about it. There is a reason why like 25% of the Russian population votes for the Communist party.
You clearly have no clue of the benefits of socialism. Sure it has drawbacks as well.
Some of the most notable benefits are - state guaranteed housing (hence NO homeless)
state guaranteed work (basically NILL unemployment)
FREE education of ALL levels available for everyone.
@Buuub08ALE ZA JAKOU CENU,??zA CENU ŽITÍ V LÁGRU OBEHNANÉM OSTNATÝM DRÁTEM,ZA CENU STÁLÉHO ŠPICLOVÁNÍ STÁTU,Za cenu ztráty svobody cestování a vůbec.Zvolte si PUŤINA a nebrečte duraci
@Buuub08 Hmm You mean all the millions that have witness the ten's of milions of people that have been starved or murdered are lieing - You sound like the Retard from Iran that stood before the world at the United Nations and said the Holocaust did not Happen - Sorry but i don't wear blinders like a horse
@Buuub08 The United states is not the only ones... Russia has done it in Georgia, Chechnya, and afghanistan, the latter just as bad as Vietnam... The US went into vietnam because N. Vietnam tried to unite with S. vietnam under commie control. S. vietnam did not have the choice.
US NATO soldiers in afghanistan are cleaning up after the russians.
A danish soldier told us that a village fled under a patrol in afghanistan. the old men of the village later told them they thought they were russians.
@JVC7400 Russians done what in Georgia, Chechnya and Afghanistan?
They didnt do anything but what the UN mandate obliged them to do, Georgia was the one attacking.
Chechnya was a war for territorial integrity and to stop international radical organizations, drug and weapons smuggle.
Afghanistan war for Soviets was not what you think it was, Afghanistan ASKED the USSR to aid them in the fight against western-supported/trained/sponsored organizations (now known as Al Qaeda).
After the USSR moved out the Mujahideen took over Afghanistan in 1992 after a long lasting civil war and then led on to the Taliban ruling the country. The current situation is a direct result of that. In all essence it the US fault, if it wasnt for them supporting the opposition there wouldnt be no Al Qaeda and no war in Afghanistan today. NATO isnt cleaning up after Russians as there is nothing to clean up, you are continuing the same war for decades now, interestingly though you changed sides
@Buuub08 "Excuse me but you fail history again - the biggest slaver in history in in fact the USA. "All men are created equal, and get me a beer nigger!" "
You're right. Millions of Africans and tens of millions of native Americans - the largest genocide in history. Hundreds of thousands of people in different parts of the world in the 20th century. All this is on the conscience of the US. USA simply has no right to accuse anyone.
@canaryman69 19,000 native Americans killed? LMAO! Yeah they got diseases - FORM YOU!
Youre jamming or smth, youre repeating your own bs over and over again.
The most generous country is officially SWEDEN, and the most generous people are from LUXEMBOURG, on average they donate more than 5 times that the US does per person.
And once again - the US is the most brutal nation starting wars on FALSIFIED evidence and LIES.
Civil wars are INTERNAL issues and none of your business.
@Buuub08 The American Cival War was over 150 years ago! I am talking in the last 100 years in modern times, in the last century, what nation has shed more blood sweat tears and treasure for other nations than the U.S.? what nation has donated more than the U.S.? what nations private citizens have donated more aid than the citizens of the U.S.? In the last 100 years the Russians and Chinese have been the most brutal, enslaved billions and starved tortured and killed millions! cheers commie
@canaryman69 Nop the US hasnt been the most generous in anything but bombs and chem weapons (aka democracy and freedom). The money you personally would donate doesnt even belong to you, its borrowed. The US has a massive deficit and depends on foreign loans just to sustain its life - FACT.
There is no nation called "Americans".
Your bias is even obvious in the fact that you call someone commie for just living in China, in that case the US ambassador is a commie as well.
@Buuub08 No nation in the last 100 years has donated more food, water, clothing, tents, money, medicine, farm equipment, water purification systems, well drilling equipment and other aid. No nation in the last 100 has liberated more nations and people than the U.S.. The U.S. has never kept any land for herself. In the last 100 years, in modern times, in the last century the U.S. military has delivered the most aid. Russia and China in the last 100 years have been the most brutal. Cheers commie
@Buuub08 In the last 100 years the U.S.A. has liberated the most nations and liberated the most people. In the last 100 years the U.S. has donated the most. In the last 100 years the Russians and Chinese have been the most brutal and murderous. Russia killed 37 million of its own citizens and China killed up to 100. Most were for political reasons. The Russians and Chinese starved the most people that was used in some cases intentionally the other a messed up communist system. Cheers commie
@Buuub08 amazing you didn't know in the last 100 years that Russia and China have been the most brutal? Are you that much in denial and in love with brutality? is your blind patriotic communist ideology really blinding you to the facts of the killing that has been done in Russia and China the last 100 years. The U.S. has no political prisoners and Russia and China does. The last 100 years the Ruskies and Chicoms have killed starved tortured enslaved billions of people. The U.S. has not, cheers
@canaryman69 I asked you why do you think i am a communist as well as for you to say what do you know about communism as such.
Patriotic shit is what you see in the US, you cant make TV without saying "the best in the world" 3 times in every sentence.
No political prisoners? As usual you deny reality. thousands of people are being illegally held in prisons for years without any charges presented, the most famous would be Guantanamo.
@Buuub08 if a person orders the killing of another person, is that person guilty in a court of law? Putin ordered the poison of an English citizen. He is a killer. He is responsible for murder. Putin personally tortured people with his bare hands and killed some with his bare hands. The U.S. does NOT sell weapons to terrorists nations you moron! You really can't be that much of a moron are you?
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After Bulava NEW MISSILE is coming soon !
"Russia is developing a new state-of-the-art ballistic missile able to cut through any missile defense shields that may come along in decades"
english.ruvr.ru/2010/12/16/37031739.html
TeslaGenius2 1 year ago
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Well the thing is Russia has an economy about the size of Spain,so this is one competition Russia can not win....It takes massive resources to build large numbers of advanced 5th generation aircraft...
ClarksonsinUSA 1 year ago
why are there always people who are placing comments to someone else about whats wrong or right: russia is better/ no usa is much better!.Why dont we all just shut up about that and just say what you think of the fricking plane! Cause when shit goes wrong between US and Russia there will be no winner.. just some fucking bombcraters to my west and to my east!! The vid is here... not to talk about politics, but to have a look at what the russians greated. And i think it's a good jet. End of story
UsedToFly1 1 year ago
@UsedToFly1 Fine. It's to little and way to late. Re-skinning old tech does not a 5th generation fighter make. Heck, I can go out in my garage and build a Ferrari body and put it on a 1981 Yugo, but that doesn't make it a Ferrari. The avionics package is crap! A Hand Pump for the fuel system? Are you kidding me?!
BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides Oh so you have detailed info on the avionics? Please share, you are one of the few to have information on it obviously, everyone else has to rely on estimates based upon the Su-35.
Hand pump?
Khem.. ease off the crack.
Buuub08 1 year ago
@Buuub08 Despite your condescending post, I'll even answer you (but only because you're from China and I have friends there); yes I've seen them, yes I've looked in the cockpit and yes I've talked to pilots who fly them. Going on almost 25+ years now as Military/PMC/PSD so I goto a lot of places you would never get into as Security to those I work for.
Anything else?
BadBunnyRides 1 year ago
@BadBunnyRides Hmm. So the Russians dont even let their own people look inside yet they let a random American into the T-50?
OK, should be simple for you then - how many displays does the T-50 have and whats the difference from Su-35. Also name the location the jet is stationed.
Also a side note, you said:
"yes I've seen them, yes I've looked in the cockpit and yes I've talked to pilots who fly them"
THEM? There is only ONE flyable. And there is only ONE pilot who is flying it.
His name is....?
Buuub08 1 year ago
want to hear a joke? POLAND
dannyir 1 year ago
@dannyir
I'll whip out the Poland rule and make Warsaw your capital.
Lonedracowolf28 1 year ago
@infi854nity
StasV505 1 year ago
@infi854nity
Расслабся. Девушку найди себе...:)
StasV505 1 year ago
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Russian air force won't able to buy more PAK FA. The reason why is because your still buying 112 Su-35 $65 million each, 358 Su-34 $36 million each, 40 Mig-35 Fulcrum $38 million, 100 Mig-29SMT $15 million each, 100 IL-214 MTA $600 million development cost, ? PAK DA $? probably would cost closely to B-2 prices, & 300 PAK FA &100 million each. Total cost >$113,188,000,000. Russian air force won't able to built more PAK FA. Russian is the most Retarded nation on the planet.
subzyro5 1 year ago
Too bad the old Su-27 look had to be dumped, this is more ugly but still, well done Russia. Putting a fighter in the air on a budget that tiny is a great achievement. However I don't see how they'll pay for new engines, sensors and developement costs that are yet to come, they'll end up with 50 or so of this again I guess too bad.
repsollenny 1 year ago
@repsollenny The yanks and euros that pump up their cars with Urals-based gasolene will pay for PAK-FA, and even more. A pretty good trade, don't you think?
SovietWarrior 1 year ago
@SovietWarrior Last time I checked Russia needed that money just to stay alive.
repsollenny 1 year ago
@SovietWarrior The superior U.S. Air Force fighter jets will swat like flies all inferior communist Ruskie planes out of sky and fall like plum from tree to ground. The superior U.S. Navy fleets and ships will crush like old rusty can all inferior communist Ruskie boats to bottom of sea and become fish sanctuary.
canaryman69 1 year ago
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I love this jet already. From what I've seen about it so far, its comparable enough to an F22. Out does an F-15 Silent Eagle.
1 more thing... It LOOKS SWEEET. And it all pwns more because its NOT American. yes.. I'm putting it in my video game.
and lol which idiot brought up poland in a comments section on russian stealth fighter aircraft?
grah55 1 year ago
ВСЕМ НЕ ПАРИТЬСЯ!!! ГРЯДЕТ ЭРА БЛИЖНЕГО БОЯ! И ПОБЕДИТ БОЛЕЕ МАНЕВРЕННЫЙ!!! Два стелса друг-друга у носа увидят.
SuperZveruga 1 year ago
Those stupid americans, apparently the F-22 has MAJOR malfunctions, like its rader 'skin' affected by rain, and how it has a malfunction every 1.7 hours, furthermore the F-22 apparently for every hour of flight needs 30 hours of maintanance, HERES THE EVIDENCE
watch?v=KaoYz90giTk
RaaGoneFishing 1 year ago
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The Russians have manged to create the best stealth fighter for their money that is perfect for air defense needs. It will probably be ~1/3 of the Raptor's cost, thanks to shared development & procurement costs with India. The main fuselage is from a modified SU-27 series, particularly the rear center. I cannot wait to see the operational version. Unfortunately, it will be years before that happens.
biped19 1 year ago
Wow. It actually flew. I wonder how effective ti is?
Poseidon500 1 year ago
The wing design looks extremely similar to the F-22 Raptor's, very rough-edged. I absolutely love that characteristic of these new fifth-gen fighters.
scaremenga 1 year ago
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Russian PAK-FA 2nd Flight 4 minutes
watch?v=pCc3xhgPVZI
SAMTOMAS 1 year ago
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Hey guys this is just Baby steps for the New Russian Stealth Fak Pa T-50 but it will grow up into a Monster that will devour your piece of shit $350 US Dollar waste pay check cutter F-22 Raptor!! Even US department of defense says its useless! thats why Obama trying to Ban on building these Waste of Billions dollars worthless piece of metal!
u2ube4mi 1 year ago
PAK-FA 2nd Test Flight watch?v=pCc3xhgPVZI
SAMTOMAS 1 year ago
/watch?v=Wx1Z4KJCpOU
STUNNING!!!
WantYaLovin 1 year ago
The only nations can afford to buy Sukhoi PAK FA T-50 for export is Brazil, Venezuela, Belarus, Libya, Angola, Vietnam, and Saudi Arabia. Syria is never likely able to afford it and Iran is likely to fall from favor.
XXM1T90XX 1 year ago
man i hate brazil president...if he had bought the su-35 brazil could participate the pak fa project, but nooooooo we had to buy the rafales.......btw good video
henrique165 1 year ago
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nagasako7 1 year ago
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Россия рулит бля,и Россия этим ПАК-ФА,СДЕЛАЕТ ЗАДНИЦУ АМЕРИКОСАМ!! Привет с азербайджана!
TheAlphaful 1 year ago
VVS shouldn't depend on this for air superiority. It's not needed to counter stealth planes in large numbers - stealth planes in large numbers are no longer stealth planes. Sukhoi should stick with the big 27-series airframe for air superiority and use only a few of these T-50's for specialized missions. The f-35 is the biggest mistake the Pentagon ever made. It's just an attack plane, not a fighter, and it has a weak fuselage.
kozmon0t 1 year ago
@kozmon0t lol...a weak fuselage. How scientific.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
pak fa is a fail
syedm90 1 year ago
ну фсё начался пиздешь...
Zaicev1984 1 year ago
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The Pak Fa will be a great addition to the russian airforce, once it is thoroughly tested and improved in certain aspects it will deftinitely be a match for the f-22. The only advantage i give the raptor is stealth.
Bilderbergz 1 year ago
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lets not even talk china, only thing china is good at is being a copy cat, Russia may produce bad cars but it produces awesome weaponary.
RaaGoneFishing 1 year ago
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F-22 is a failure, US is too scared to sell it and let others find out it flaws,
Russia has sold its PAK FA before its even mass produced,
F-35 was reported to have major setbacks and the pentagon sacked the main development chief, BBC NEWS a while ago,
PAK FA rules,
come on Raptor, if your 5th gen is so good why cancel it and not sell it to anyone, either 1. major flaws 2. the planes producer built the F-22 so it cost more to maintian than buy
RaaGoneFishing 1 year ago
Oh no!! The F-35A's actual buy price for foreign countries is only $69million each.
Better stealth, better avionics, better BVR and WVR capability, cheaper maintenance, better durability, better strike capabilities for 2/3 the price of the PAK FA.
Wonder how long before India pulls out and goes with the F-35?
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater
u stupid asshole are really a fucking idiot. just shut the fuck up if u havent a fucking idea about military.
Russia2010 1 year ago
@Russia2010 lol....ok mr intellectual, articulate person.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@FXWorldBeater Australia did a test and proved that in visual range combat, all of the F series planes that are in service in the US army today get destroyed by Russian SU series, pretty easily too. Also, the so called stealth technology, at times it works, and at times it doesn't. Look at the F117 shot down in Serbia for example.
Unit987654321 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 Lol @ Australia doing a test. Who are you referring to? RAND or AirPowerAustralia. If you say RAND, then your facts are plain wrong. If you say APA then you have no credibility....they are not military analysts.
The F117 shot in Serbia. It was spotted by radar and shot down from 10miles away. The radar that spotted it has a range of 150miles. I would say that proves its stealth quite well.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater Regradless of what radar detected it. It was detected, and that proves that it is obsolete. I don't know what Australian group did a test, I'll send you a link:
watch?v=27qdB1D0s9M
Unit987654321 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 whatever, get educated and come back some day. Stealth is about reducing the distance that you can be detected....it was never meant to make aircraft invisible right up to the radar emitter.
10 miles detection of the old, obsolete F-117's is quite impressive. Considering that aircraft had no RWR, the F-22, and F-35 are much better equipped to deal with ground radar now.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater The F22's and F35's stealth so called "Skin" is vulnerable to rain. So yes, it may be more effective but only in the most ideal conditions, which are not always available. That's quite a big drawback, I mean if you are using military equipment that can only function in ideal conditions, then you are pretty much screwed.
Unit987654321 1 year ago
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@Unit987654321 Lol, that so called "analyst" they interviewed was Carlos Kopp from APA.
Now I know you don't have the knowledge or intellect to be able to understand the content of the web page I linked below, but here's a critique on Carlo's work from someone who "actually" knows jet warfare...
tinyurl . com / y7ptfb7
As mentioned earlier Carlo Kopp is just an IT guy with only a provisional pilot's license...nothing more.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 That news report also mentioned the same RAND report I mentioned. Basically the results of the RAND theoretical excercise was that a small group of F-22's and F-35's ran out of missiles when they were attacked by hundreds of chinese aircraft. The report said nothing at all about aircraft capability (except that the F-22's had a 100% kill rate vs their opponents). None of the F-22's or F-35's were shot down by other aircraft in the wargame, they ran out of fuel.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater And yet the report specifically says that Red force dominated the exercise. If the F22's and F35's had a 100% kill rate, then the report would have said that the Blue force emerged victorious. Also, Obama canceled production of this plane due to it's failure. Maybe in non-visual range combat it might emerge victorious over the SU series, but in visual range combat it is obsolete.
Unit987654321 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 no...the 20ish F-22's got 100% kill but due to the number of enemies (300 + chinese aircraft) they couldn't win.
Of course in real life, the encounter didn't take into account intel of the iminent chinese attack or the fact the US forces near Taiwan would be backed up by a few aircraft carriers as well.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@FXWorldBeater regarding RAM. US jets have a few different layers of RAM paint on them. They have the normal prermanent stuff which is the same as what the Russians, Europeans....everyone else uses these days.
US jets also have a superabsorbant temporary paint (a very powdery type material) which washes off with water. When this stuff washes off, the aircraft still have the same type of RAM that everyone else is using.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater Maybe against the 300+ Chinese aircraft, but against Russian SU series in visual range combat, the F22 is no effective.
Unit987654321 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 What? You're dreaming...the F22 is the still the best close range dogfighter. The F-35 will be better though. With optical sensors that can track targets 360 degrees around the plane, it will dominate. Doesn't need to maneuver when it can fire missiles at planes behind it.
watch?v=9fm5vfGW5RY
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FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 If the Indian SU-30's can't even beat the F-15 in close range dogfights..
watch?v=b2siH9W5P4E
watch?v=4ibgAQ7lv0w
.....and the F-15 loses to the F-22 15 to 1 in excercises, what chance do you think the poor SU has against the raptor?
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater So, what are your sources to the info on the RAND exercise? I still don't think the F series comes anywhere close to the SU series in terms of visual range combat, in long range maybe. I have never seen a single F plane be capable of performing extreme maneuvers such as the 'cobra'. Also, Obama has cancelled production of the F22 and F35, there is a reason for that and that may be because they were proven faulty.
Unit987654321 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 My source is the actual RAND report from Pacific Vision, available on RAND's web site and a whole bunch of blogs.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 Sorry to disappoint but the reason production was stopped was because they are simply not needed. No air force stands a chance against the US today. Russia only has 700 4th gen aircraft, China even less. USA has 3000 4th gen aircraft. Why have an expensive superfighter when you can slaughter anyone else easily without it.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater I read your other posts, and it seems you understand :) Yeah why build a expensive A2A when you won't be even using it, you can clearly masscre anyone just by apaches/tomahawks.
Claymore2408 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 Also, the F22 is an old plane even thought its still the best by far, 2010 US budget documents clearly show in their aircraft procurement plans that the F-22's successor will begin development in 2020.
We can expect a combination of everything that makes the F-22 an awesome A2A fighter + a lot of the great avionics that are built into the F-35.....and some more surprises.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@FXWorldBeater But u have ran out of money xD,
Antarktida1337 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater USA cancelled f22 cos it sucks, it cost like 300million per plane, radio isolation, requires like 30 hours maintenence for 1-2hours in a flight...F35 VTOL is nearly the same as F22. Leave the aircrafts to the russians Mig-37 and SUs are just way to good.
Claymore2408 1 year ago
@Claymore2408 Its not that it sucks that it was cancelled, mainly that large numbers are not needed right now. US will be flying F-22's combined with heavily upgraded F-15C's as their air superiority package. Basically the F-15's will be fitted with large tanks and upgraded radars/IRST/EW gear.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@Claymore2408 The F-15's will be unstealthy and running their radars while the F-22's will be invisible and running cold and will be doing the shooting on targets the F-15's pick up. The F-15's with large fuel tanks will be loitering while F-22's shoot and run.....its a good strategy.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
So the Raptor would kick the crap out of the Pak fa right?
TheRealHawkeye 1 year ago
@TheRealHawkeye with the extremely high agility and accuracy of today's medium range missiles, its all about who sees who first.
Given this is sukhoi's first venture into stealth and they wouldn't have perfected the materials and testing facilities yet, odds are the F22 will see it first.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@FXWorldBeater Hehe, i think any good marine is itching for a good modern fight, iraq isn't what i call a modern day warfare, just IED hit and run same in afghanistan.
Claymore2408 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater
Pak Fa has additional L-band radar in it's wing's leading edges.
Stealth designs supposedly don't work too well against L-band radars.
Suyamu 1 year ago
@Suyamu nothing to do with stealth shaping. L-band attempts to counter the RAM build into the surfaces of stealth aircraft (those surfaces are optimised for neutralising returning x-band waves). However due to the characteristics of l-band signals, it is terrible for long range target tracking. The effective range of L-Band radar where its actually able to track a target is likely to be well within the range of IRST anyway.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater missiles usually are fire and forget types and have their own seekers these days - just point them in the direction and they'll find it once they get closer.
Not to mention it's probably going to be a superior dog-fighter.
An attack on a detected F-22 can also be coordinated with other friendlies in the theater.
Knowing the direction is plenty.
Suyamu 1 year ago
@Suyamu Range was only an example, its justa fact though that L-Band does not give accurate tracking which is required.
If most aircraft have trouble seeing the f-22 from range, what hope does a missile with a much smaller radar have?
Besides, stealth air sup jets in the front line should not be using their radars in any case, the second line aircraft should be doing that.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater
L-Band radars are and have been used for tracking of aircraft.
Low observability does not equal invisibility - it just lowers the amount of reflected energy - which means it lowers the detection range.
The closer you are to the target the less it works.
If a missile is sent in the right direction it will find it once it's close enough - especially ones with IR seekers.
Suyamu 1 year ago
@Suyamu example....an L-Band radar might tell you what direction a target is from time to time, but the actual range of the target might be way off. You fire a shot, but he missile itself still won't be able to see the stealthy target and the mid-course updates from your PAK FA would be wrong, so the shot fails....
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@FXWorldBeater на начальном этапе ракету может вести активная фазированная антенная решетка (АФАР). В F-22 разве такого нет?
SuperZveruga 1 year ago
@Claymore2408 The F-22's will use stealth so they are not shot at, the F-15's will use EW to defeat radars and missiles fired at them....its a pretty sweet combination.
Considering Russian aircraft are huge and extremely unstealthy (ie. detected from very long range), its a great anti-sukhoi strategy.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@Claymore2408 The F-15's can remain on the outer edge of the R-77's range where escape is quite easy.
The F-22's can zoom in high, fast and stealthily to well within the "no escape zone" of their AIM-120D's and pretty much acheive a 100% PK on the target (the more boost power your missile has when it reaches the target, the less chance of escape. F-22 Speed, height and close range missile release increases PK massively)
Its a great strategy and really exploits the F-22's stealth.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater Yeah but do you think you guys need these jets for dog fights right now? :) Main concern is the fight in middle east :P
Claymore2408 1 year ago
@Claymore2408 no but its better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them.
When shit goes down with Iran, we'll need them...for a day or two anyway.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@FXWorldBeater Yeah..i feel sorry for the people in iran...their rights are so restricted.
Claymore2408 1 year ago
@Claymore2408 thats good enough reason for me...GOGOGO.
Signed,
George W Bush.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 Here's a couple statistics for you. The F-16, used by airforces worldwide currently has a record of 66 kills, 0 losses against enemy aircraft (mainly russian built).
The F-15 beats that record....it currently stands at 105 to 0. The F-22 beat the F-15 by a factor of 15 to 1 at red flag.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 On top of the RAM, most of the RCS reduction in the F-22 and F-35 design comes from its VLO shape (and in the case of the F-35, its small size). The PAK FA is a VERY large aircraft from the front.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@Unit987654321
My mistake about the RAND excercise.....it was 6 F-22's vs 72 Su-27's. The chinese blow up their airfield with balistic missiles so they can't land (or get more in the air) . F-22's shoot down half of the SU-27's (without losing ANY F-22's) then run out of missiles.
The SU-27's sneak through the net and get the US tanker.....the F-22's have no airfield and no tanker and ditch in the ocean.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
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@FXWorldBeater Although the video I saw was not specific on how the Red team won, it said that "hundreds of Blue force aircraft (F series) were lost in the first 20 minutes". You should also watch this report on the F22 Raptor:
watch?v=KaoYz90giTk&feature=related
Unit987654321 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 Thats right it did say that, or that's what Carlo Kopp reported to them. But true to his normal form he only told a small part of the story to suite himself (he has a vested interest in the cancellation of Australia getting F-35's).
The attack from China started with medium-long range icbm's hitting the US airfield...hence a lot of planes were lost on the ground (or effectively taken out of combat in the first 20 minutes).
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
@Unit987654321 So many unintelligent plebs on this site make the comment that stealth is obsolete, and the even dumber ones do it on the PAK FA threads.
What they fail to take into account is that both Russia and China are trying to build their own stealth aircraft.
Simple logic, learn some.
FXWorldBeater 1 year ago
F22 tuning?
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This plane has nothing of a real 5th gen fighter, its a maked up SU 30 with some angled shapes à la Raptor, great communication effort from dying russian out dated technology, USSR is over, and the tiny T50 budget will not make them coming back from 20 years of western technologies about stealth!
pumpofthevolume 2 years ago
@pumpofthevolume
yeah, yeah, whatever...
woodielist 2 years ago 6
@woodielist Меня забавляют омерекантсы которые проигрывают в постановочных боях а потом плачат в подушку
Sortsylic 1 year ago
pumpofthevolume-Le préservatif français!!
SevasRus 1 year ago
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SevasRus 1 year ago
@pumpofthevolume а что по вашему такое стелс? и чего такого из стелс нет в ПАК-ФА?
SuperZveruga 1 year ago
@pumpofthevolume LOL FRENCH
Claymore2408 1 year ago
Just a random question. How close are Russia and China today? Do they still have good political relations?
swot54 2 years ago
@swot54 ouuuh they do!in fact,Russia and China have joint millitary practice...
BocaSkorpionCCCC 2 years ago 2
They're not really that close. Especially lately, in terms of military equipment, Russia has become suspicious of China, due to industrial espionage, and basically the unlicensed "cloning" of its military hardware (example being J-11B vs. Su-27). The attempts to buy several naval Su-33s to clone them (being denied, and then buying the old Su-33 prototype from Ukraine).
I'm pretty confident China won't be getting the PAK-FA.
Abanamat85 2 years ago 4
was the J-11B created to compare with the su-27?
and btw, when did China try to buy Su-33?
swot54 2 years ago
i woulded be surpriced if the chinese JXX would look just the same as the T50.
...offcourse if they even get that far building a 5 gen fighter. there still trying to figure out how to make supercruise engines.
China wants to buy the SU35BM,
..jeez i wonder why....
skydreamerXIII 1 year ago
@Abanamat85 funny how the communist Gooks are stealing from the communist Ruskies, lol. The both of them steal from the west and mostly from the U.S. lol pathetic communist bastards.
canaryman69 1 year ago
@canaryman69
Interesting opinion.
Seeing as how you're 51, calling Ruskies communist and painting them all as bastards, I make the conclusion that you're probably a pretty Hawkish, blindly patriotic American piece of shit with your head far up your ass.
I have a set of arguments to counter your opinion, but seeing as how your head is far up your ass (as I've mentioned before), it would be pointless (as is arguing on the Internet in general).
P.S. stealth theory came from USSR.
Asshole.
Abanamat85 1 year ago
@Abanamat85 correct, " stealth theory" MAY have come from communist Ruskies but the Americans put it into production, NOT CANADA OR RUSKIELAND. Why so bitter for a Canuk? You would think you would be a little more grateful to your big brother who has defended you for the last 100 yrs where you can run your socialist mouth off. Russia and China, no Bill Of Rights, no freedom of speech, press, assembly, protest, private property rights, no jury trial by peers or presumption of innocence. Dick.
canaryman69 1 year ago
@Abanamat85 Yes I am an American and am not hawkish but that is OK, you are in denial with Russia and China and you can thank an American soldier for your "somewhat freedom" you have. You would be speaking Japanese, Russia or German if not for the U.S.. Canada could not fight its way out of a paper bag. I thought Canadians and Americans were friends, some friends you turned out to be. Is the rest of Canada as much of a dickhead like you? The Canadians I have met were descent, you seem bitter.
canaryman69 1 year ago
@canaryman69
Heh, ok.
To be fair to "Canucks", I am a Russian-Canadian, and don't take my opinion as that of all of Canadians. Let's leave them out of it.
I'm not bitter, but that asshole comment of yours was asking for a proper response. That's it.
The whole politics thing that you're bringing into this, that's WAAY off-topic. This is about it military/industrial espionage.
Abanamat85 1 year ago
@Abanamat85 and who steals more technology than Russia and China?
canaryman69 1 year ago
@canaryman69
The French do.
Abanamat85 1 year ago
@Abanamat85 LOL the French! OK I forgot about those socialist pussies
canaryman69 1 year ago
@Abanamat85 The U.S. may not be perfect and it may make mistakes and it may suck, BUT THE WHOLE WORLD SUCKS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THE U.S.. I can think of many nations that you can beat up on way before the U.S. Russia and China for starters.
canaryman69 1 year ago
@canaryman69
Fair enough.
Abanamat85 11 months ago
@Abanamat85 Hey Canuc, in the last 100 yrs.: no nation has donated more food, water, clothing, tents, medicine, water purification systems, well drilling equipment, doctors, money, farm equipment than the mighty and generous U.S.A.. No nation has liberated more nations and people than the U.S.. The U.S. has never kept any land for herself. So you can run your mouth off all you want but we both know the truth about the great U.S.A. don't we. Now get back to your socialist videos. Cheers commie
canaryman69 1 year ago
@canaryman69
Never said US DIDN'T do any of these things, nor that US is a bad nation.
Abanamat85 11 months ago
@Abanamat85 Hey socialist Canuc, in the last 100 years the communist Ruskies have murdered 37 million of their own citizens and China has murdered upward of 100 million! Both have starved and tortured millions. Gulags and slave labor camps, political prisoners. China sells prisoners organs! China has forced sterilization. China murders more prisoners than ALL nations combined. The International Red Cross is not allowed into the gulags and slave labor camps, why not?
canaryman69 1 year ago
@canaryman69
Why not? Because they have different (opposite) goals. One is humanitarian, the other is well.. a concentration camp.
Abanamat85 11 months ago
@canaryman69
Regarding the aircraft, this fighter has been in development for quite some time. It is not yet a 5th gen product, but some of the relevant tech is approaching completion.
Compared to the western tech, it is often similar in purpose and appearance, but may be vastly different in operation and maintenance (eg. engine tech). Some of the stuff is license produced western tech.
Calling this thing a "Concordski" is misguided, I think.
Regardless, the cold war in the old sense is over
Abanamat85 11 months ago
@Abanamat85 never called it a "concordski". Not my words. I do believe the Ruskies stole and purchased some of the technology. The "Cold War" may be over as far as the Soviet Union goes, but the Ruskies are not yet a nation to be trusted. They have along way to go. There is no Bill Of Rights, no right to protest, no right to assemble, horrible human rights records, no presumption of innocence, no freedom of press, no free speech, they still have a secret police, and political prisoners.
canaryman69 11 months ago
@Abanamat85 I really don't think the "Cold War" is really over when it comes to espionage, military, politics, ideaology. Soviet Union fell but the tension is still alive. For example Putin ordered the murder of an English citizen and his name was Alexander Litvenenko. He poisoned him. Not really a tactic used by modern politicians. Russia is still selling military hardware to belligerent nations like N. Korea, Syria, Venezuela and others who are very hostile nations toward the U.S./west.
canaryman69 11 months ago
@canaryman69
Litvinenko was ex-FSB, he was working with Berezovski (the rapist of Russia), so his hands aren't really clean. I don't feel bad for him one bit.
Now you say Russia is lacking democracy. Yes it is, I agree.
But you know, for a country that never had anything like it before (first Monarchy, then communism and only now some form of capitalism) how can the world expect russia to suddenly up and become like Norway or smth?
The road only just started. It will take a long time.
Abanamat85 11 months ago
@canaryman69 Actually anyone with an IQ higher than that of a block of cheese knows that the Litvinenko poisoning was a false flag thing intended to stir up some stuff. It did a little bit, just as some other intentionally loud murder cases.
"He poisoned him".. As in like personally put Polonium in his tea?
Selling weapons is not illegal by any means, just because its a country the US doesnt like for certain reasons doesnt mean you can do business with them. It goes the same way for the US.
Buuub08 11 months ago
Neither are Americans to be trusted, many leaders in the past to were called allies by the west ended up in a bad way, like Saddam for instance.
Bill of rights? The Russian constitution is essentially American.
Protest? Yes you can do that.
Assemble? You can do that.
Human rights? Yeah, yanks are to talk on that lol
Free press? certainly by far more objective that the American press
Political prisoners? Like whom? And how about those countless in illegal CIA prisons years without charges?
Buuub08 11 months ago
@Buuub08 Russia and China no right to assemble or protest. Many Russians have been arrested and tortured and killed. Russia has many political prisoners along with China. The International Red Cross is NOT allowed in Russian or Chinese prisons, why not? In Russia there is NO presumption of innocence or jury trial by peers, no right to privacy, no individual rights, no private property rights, no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press, no Human Rights Watch has reports on Russia and China.
canaryman69 11 months ago
@Buuub08 are you denying Putin ordered the murder of Litvenenko? If you are denying it, then you are a moron. If you can admit Putin ordered the poisoning or killing of Litvenenko then you must admit he is guilty of murder. Amnesty International has reports on Russia/China and on human and civil rights violations. Why is Amnesty International not allowed in Russian or Chinese prisons? What about the U.N. reports on the brutality of Russia and China? Try speaking out in Russia see what happens.
canaryman69 11 months ago
@Buuub08 Russia and China no Bill Of Rights, no 2nd amendment, no 4th amendment. In the last 100 years Russia and China have been the most brutal and murderous of societies. Russia killed 37 million of its own citizens and China killed up to 100 million! In the last 100 years the U.S. has been the most generous nation. No nation has donated more money, food, water, medicine, clothing, tents, farm equipment, water purification systems and well drilling equipment than the mighty U.S.A.!
canaryman69 11 months ago
@canaryman69 2nd amendment allows free use of weapons. Its a safety issue.
4th? Its a myth even in the US. And by laws all over the world youre innocent until proven guilty.
Dude you know absolutely jackshit.
Most brutal and murderous societies? Oh wow now you gonna bring up history and civil wars. Youre an idiot. How about those the US killed in SOVEREIGN countries? Plus dont forget your democracy is built on mass genocide and slavery.
Buuub08 11 months ago
Donated most money?
FALSE! The US is a country with the MOST foreign loans. China currently is the biggest creditor in the history on mankind. The US alone owes China almost 1 trillion. You need to borrow just to sustain your standard of life as otherwise your country cant sustain itself.
Humanitarian aid now eh?
1) its donated by private organizations
2) the most "help" come in response to contracts, like Iraq as a recent example.
Buuub08 11 months ago
Let me ask you a question:
Have you EVER been to Russia and China?
I highly doubt you could even find them on a map if the names wouldnt be written on it.
So why dont you just shut you double standard bullshit about a nation you know absolutely nothing about. Clear?
Ive spent YEARS in China and Russia. Comparing them to UK and Germany they are by far better.
Luckily i havent been to the US, but i assume its smth like the UK - a place full of retards who know nothing but what the media tells em.
Buuub08 11 months ago
@Buuub08 you just admitted that the U.S. has donated the most money and aid. The U.S.A. may be broke and own China alot of money but the U.S.A. is the most generous nation. China and Russia are the brutal.
canaryman69 11 months ago
@Buuub08 I have no interest in going to a communist nation that does not allow me free movement and one that has a secret police, spying, and no rights. In the last 100 years the U.S. has donated the most whether it is our government or private citizens and Russia and China donate nothing. Yes the U.S. government is broke and still is the most generous nation. In the 100 years China and Russia have been brutal and the U.S. the most generous. Cheers commie
canaryman69 11 months ago
@Buuub08 just because the communist Gooks have loaned the U.S.A. money does not mean that the U.S. is not the most generous. Also it does not mean the Chicoms are the most generous, get it commie? China has murdered over 100 million of its own citizens! Russia has murdered has over 37 million! Just because because the Gooks have loaned the U.S. money does not mean they are a generous society. You are confusing money and loans with freedom and liberty, peace and prosperity.
canaryman69 11 months ago
@canaryman69 Depends on what you see as generosity. IMO lending 1 trillion to someone knowing he will never be able to pay it back is rather generous.
Commie? walao, you are just another double standard media educated idiot.
All you know is how goodie goodie you are and how bad everyone else is closing eyes on your own history and double standard policy.
The USA has no money, its wealth is virtual. Companies have money the state doesnt, it runs a 65 trillion obligation deficit.
Buuub08 11 months ago
@Buuub08 the U.S.A. doesn't loan money and if it does it does not mean the U.S.A. and its private citizens are not generous. The private citizens of the U.S., it's churchs, corporations, it's foundations, and it's charities DONATE that means give away more than any other citizens. In fact that amount amout is 300 billion per year. Also the U.S. government donates the most of any government. The U.S. military delivers the most aid of any nation. Now what nation does more? commie
canaryman69 11 months ago
@canaryman69 do you even know what communism is? If its so bad why is your government sucking commie dick just to get more loans? hm?
Yes people and companies donate. The PEOPLE are immigrants from predominantly Europe. However you seem to forget that the same companies and people make billions on the behalf of other nations and your own folk as well as a matter of fact.
It never stops to amaze me how you yanks always ignore your own history and think youre in any position to advise others.
Buuub08 11 months ago
@Buuub08 I am not giving advice to commies, I am merely stating a fact that Russia and China in the last 100 years have been the most brutal, and the U.S. has been the most generous, FACT! NOT advice. It amazes me that you can't seem to acknowledge this. If you want to state that the U.S. has not been the most generous than who has? I asked you are question, what nation in the last 100 years has donated the most? what nation/s have been the most brutal? cheers commie and good luck
canaryman69 11 months ago
@canaryman69 The "brutality" were civil wars. The US had a civil war as well and literary slaughtered the indigenous population. But as usual for Americans - you think what you did is fine but for everyone else thats bad. How about we start counting the places the US has conducted illegal government overthrows, creation and funding of underground organizations, falsifying evidence and conducting false flag operations just just get into a war.
But no surprise, youre as biased as they come.
Buuub08 11 months ago
@Buuub08 still waiting for the list of the most generous nation and the most brutal?
canaryman69 11 months ago
@canaryman69 The most generous would in fact be in fact Sweden not the US as for official state donations, as for people -its Luxembourg. Get your facts straight not the way you want them to be.
Most brutal? there is no such list. But as far as the murder of people of other countries goes - the US leads by a long shot. Be happy - one more thing youre #1 at.
Internal civil wars and colonization victims mostly have no numbers.
Buuub08 11 months ago
@Buuub08 LOL the communist propaganda is alive and well in Ruskieland and Chinkland! OK I will allow you to spew your bull, but we both know the truth as to what nation has been the most generous. The U.S. has been more generous than the Russians and Chinese. Also the Russians and Chinese have been the most brutal. Commie, I am done with you and your lies. It is fine with me what you say but the world knows the truth and you and I know the truth. Long live capitalism, liberty and freedom.
canaryman69 11 months ago
@Buuub08 In the last 100 years the U.S. has NOT slaughtered anybody that did not deserve it. The American Indians were not slaughtered. Did you know how many innocent white people and Europeans the Native Americans killed? I will tell you, the Indians murdered 19,000 white familes and the white man killed 19,000 Native Americans, mostly defensive. Did you know most Native Americans died of diseases and wars fought with each other. Yes Indian tribes actually killed each other! Cheers commie
canaryman69 11 months ago
@canaryman69 Russia and China starved, tortured and enslaved BILLIONS?
Excuse me but you fail history again - the biggest slaver in history in in fact the USA. "All men are created equal, and get me a beer nigger!" You also fail math obviously.
Not slaughtered anybody who didnt deserve it? Aha, ok and what did a couple hundred thousand Iraqis do to deserve to die? What did 4 million Vietnamese did to get sprayed by AO?
Buuub08 11 months ago
Its almost sad you have no counter arguments aside from what you make yourself believe.
Most generous government - SWEDEN, mot generous people - Luxembourg. FACT!
Internal civil wars are of no concern to anyone. Why would you be concerned about Chinese civil wars when you hate everyone? Same with Russia. That doesnt change the fact that your life depends on them.
yeah sure again twisting thing to your liking - American civil war 150 years but you only want to talk about 100 years, why not 1000?
Buuub08 11 months ago
The US has caused, provoked or been involved in numerous conflicts all over the world and caused MILLIONS of innocent deaths. FALSIFYING evidence (Iraq), false flag operations as an excuse for war (Vietnam), illegal government overthrows. Even the fucking Al Qaeda is a CIA child with the Bin Laden family living in Lengley Virginia.
Yanks have never given a shit about anything but money, and yet their entire economy depends on foreign loans and AID.
Buuub08 11 months ago
@Buuub08 Watch "why communism fails" and tell us why millions have die - Ignorance is a blessing for you
6308281 10 months ago
@6308281 Ok, what do YOU know about Communism? All you know is what youve been told - its "evil" and youre "good", right?
Just because you were told so doesnt mean its correct. In Nazi Germany people were told Hitler was doing the right thing and many believed that. Thats called propaganda, the US excels in that more than the USSR ever did.
Communism has nothing to do with millions having to die, its a form of socialism and socialism is not a bad idea if not exploited.
Buuub08 10 months ago
Ive been to every communist state apart from Cuba, i know very well what its like and have spoken to people about it. There is a reason why like 25% of the Russian population votes for the Communist party.
You clearly have no clue of the benefits of socialism. Sure it has drawbacks as well.
Some of the most notable benefits are - state guaranteed housing (hence NO homeless)
state guaranteed work (basically NILL unemployment)
FREE education of ALL levels available for everyone.
Is that bad?
Buuub08 10 months ago
@Buuub08ALE ZA JAKOU CENU,??zA CENU ŽITÍ V LÁGRU OBEHNANÉM OSTNATÝM DRÁTEM,ZA CENU STÁLÉHO ŠPICLOVÁNÍ STÁTU,Za cenu ztráty svobody cestování a vůbec.Zvolte si PUŤINA a nebrečte duraci
satelitakxy 3 weeks ago
@Buuub08 Hmm You mean all the millions that have witness the ten's of milions of people that have been starved or murdered are lieing - You sound like the Retard from Iran that stood before the world at the United Nations and said the Holocaust did not Happen - Sorry but i don't wear blinders like a horse
6308281 10 months ago
@6308281 So you will not speak to the world that the holocaust of Native Americans was not?
AWtify 8 months ago
@Buuub08 The United states is not the only ones... Russia has done it in Georgia, Chechnya, and afghanistan, the latter just as bad as Vietnam... The US went into vietnam because N. Vietnam tried to unite with S. vietnam under commie control. S. vietnam did not have the choice.
US NATO soldiers in afghanistan are cleaning up after the russians.
A danish soldier told us that a village fled under a patrol in afghanistan. the old men of the village later told them they thought they were russians.
JVC7400 10 months ago
@JVC7400 Russians done what in Georgia, Chechnya and Afghanistan?
They didnt do anything but what the UN mandate obliged them to do, Georgia was the one attacking.
Chechnya was a war for territorial integrity and to stop international radical organizations, drug and weapons smuggle.
Afghanistan war for Soviets was not what you think it was, Afghanistan ASKED the USSR to aid them in the fight against western-supported/trained/sponsored organizations (now known as Al Qaeda).
Buuub08 10 months ago
After the USSR moved out the Mujahideen took over Afghanistan in 1992 after a long lasting civil war and then led on to the Taliban ruling the country. The current situation is a direct result of that. In all essence it the US fault, if it wasnt for them supporting the opposition there wouldnt be no Al Qaeda and no war in Afghanistan today. NATO isnt cleaning up after Russians as there is nothing to clean up, you are continuing the same war for decades now, interestingly though you changed sides
Buuub08 10 months ago
@Buuub08 "Excuse me but you fail history again - the biggest slaver in history in in fact the USA. "All men are created equal, and get me a beer nigger!" "
You're right. Millions of Africans and tens of millions of native Americans - the largest genocide in history. Hundreds of thousands of people in different parts of the world in the 20th century. All this is on the conscience of the US. USA simply has no right to accuse anyone.
AWtify 8 months ago
@canaryman69 19,000 native Americans killed? LMAO! Yeah they got diseases - FORM YOU!
Youre jamming or smth, youre repeating your own bs over and over again.
The most generous country is officially SWEDEN, and the most generous people are from LUXEMBOURG, on average they donate more than 5 times that the US does per person.
And once again - the US is the most brutal nation starting wars on FALSIFIED evidence and LIES.
Civil wars are INTERNAL issues and none of your business.
Buuub08 11 months ago
@Buuub08 The American Cival War was over 150 years ago! I am talking in the last 100 years in modern times, in the last century, what nation has shed more blood sweat tears and treasure for other nations than the U.S.? what nation has donated more than the U.S.? what nations private citizens have donated more aid than the citizens of the U.S.? In the last 100 years the Russians and Chinese have been the most brutal, enslaved billions and starved tortured and killed millions! cheers commie
canaryman69 11 months ago
@canaryman69 Nop the US hasnt been the most generous in anything but bombs and chem weapons (aka democracy and freedom). The money you personally would donate doesnt even belong to you, its borrowed. The US has a massive deficit and depends on foreign loans just to sustain its life - FACT.
There is no nation called "Americans".
Your bias is even obvious in the fact that you call someone commie for just living in China, in that case the US ambassador is a commie as well.
Buuub08 11 months ago
@Buuub08 No nation in the last 100 years has donated more food, water, clothing, tents, money, medicine, farm equipment, water purification systems, well drilling equipment and other aid. No nation in the last 100 has liberated more nations and people than the U.S.. The U.S. has never kept any land for herself. In the last 100 years, in modern times, in the last century the U.S. military has delivered the most aid. Russia and China in the last 100 years have been the most brutal. Cheers commie
canaryman69 11 months ago
@Buuub08 In the last 100 years the U.S.A. has liberated the most nations and liberated the most people. In the last 100 years the U.S. has donated the most. In the last 100 years the Russians and Chinese have been the most brutal and murderous. Russia killed 37 million of its own citizens and China killed up to 100. Most were for political reasons. The Russians and Chinese starved the most people that was used in some cases intentionally the other a messed up communist system. Cheers commie
canaryman69 11 months ago
@Buuub08 amazing you didn't know in the last 100 years that Russia and China have been the most brutal? Are you that much in denial and in love with brutality? is your blind patriotic communist ideology really blinding you to the facts of the killing that has been done in Russia and China the last 100 years. The U.S. has no political prisoners and Russia and China does. The last 100 years the Ruskies and Chicoms have killed starved tortured enslaved billions of people. The U.S. has not, cheers
canaryman69 11 months ago
@canaryman69 I asked you why do you think i am a communist as well as for you to say what do you know about communism as such.
Patriotic shit is what you see in the US, you cant make TV without saying "the best in the world" 3 times in every sentence.
No political prisoners? As usual you deny reality. thousands of people are being illegally held in prisons for years without any charges presented, the most famous would be Guantanamo.
Buuub08 11 months ago
@Buuub08 if a person orders the killing of another person, is that person guilty in a court of law? Putin ordered the poison of an English citizen. He is a killer. He is responsible for murder. Putin personally tortured people with his bare hands and killed some with his bare hands. The U.S. does NOT sell weapons to terrorists nations you moron! You really can't be that much of a moron are you?
canaryman69 11 months ago
И тут поляки затесались? Нука вон отседа, пока вам по шапке не надавали!
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hydroptere 2 years ago