#5- it's a matter of how heinous the crime is. It's not just at random.
#6- This isn't something that religion should be brought into. It's justice for the family of the victim and gets rid of someone who doesn't deserve to live. How would you feel if your divorced husband raped, beat, and threw your barely alive daughter in a river IN A TRASH BAG only to die a slow painful death? I'd bet anything you'd be screaming for him to be killed.
#2- it costs $30,000-$50,000 to keep a prisoner alive each year. That adds up for life sentences. Scum like those who beat and stab to death their 3 year old twin girls don't deserve to live.
#3- that's why each case is read and reviewed so many times by so many people and takes so long.
#4- that's a bullshit "fact" that you made up. How do you know it's BECAUSE of race solely? Maybe if you read the cases you'd understand. But you haven't so that's an invalid statement.
you didn't site anything you said. therefore nothing you say on this video is credible. you can't make an argument and not site credible sources. makes you seem as though you're making a lot of stuff up.
this video is shit. life without parole? if i were on a capital case and the only other solution is life without parole the judge better hope it fucking kills me. what am i gonna do in not getting executed? sit in a 6 by 6 foot cell the rest of my life? lol i think those opting for life without parole are even more abusive and no death penalty plays no part in race, though more black people are given the sentence, a higher percentage of whites actually have it carried out and more rapidly too.
@dearpsychonaut If you support the death penalty, let me ask you this. Are you willing to let your family be innocently executed so that we can just kill other people!? Plus death penalty is VERY expensive (about $3.5 million per execution) think of all the money we'd gain FOR NOT KILLING SOMEONE and what good that money could be used for; educating children, repairing roads, assisting in healthcare. Support death penalty and you have to support executing the innocent.
@GladForGladius hundreds of people in the usa are going away for life who are innocent and most likely will die there, canada has no life without parole so most offenders are paroled within 20 years, and considering life sentence until death is worse than death as they are both the same you might say "oh but we didn't execute him." no you let him die of old age, what a glorious end. and for the few that are exonerated most spend decades and are usually seniors by then. what life they got now?
@m1trekker actually taking a human life makes you a killer, a murderer is someone who kills with absolutely no justification as far as society views it, in the case of the government they "killed" someone but it would not be murder since their justification is to do the same thing back just as soldiers fight in wars and people kill in self defence, though it is probable a person who murders would at the time feel justified the term murder depends on what the laws apply as acceptable to kill.
@ultradumbass No its murder, the definition depends on the jurisdiction, I wouldn't be as naive as to believe government definitions and propaganda, you will end up mad, just as mad as the countless poor souls who have sent their sons to be murdered on the battlefield in pointless wars. Legality depends on your point of view and who makes the laws.
@m1trekker ji'm going to go off on a limb here and assume you're a liberal correct? liberals are known to heavily support abortion and both conservatives and liberals are known to support putting animals that bite someone put to sleep, is this not murder or is this somehow justifiable as we didn't just kill a homo sapien
@m1trekker alright then, do you support abortion and putting animals to sleep for biting? if so that is extremely hypocritical isn't it? and what would you suggest as an alternative? most that are against capital punishment would still want the killer to serve natural life, makes no sense does it? life without parole is like lethal injection except you're slowly dying from old age. and keeping someone in prison is not cheaper than execution, it is only so in the usa because of all the appeals.
@ultradumbass Execution in the US is known to be one of the most expensive methods. Would you rather no appeal and just kill them to later discover that they would have been found innocent on appeal ?
@m1trekker even if they are innocent the usa would never release them, most countries don't give life sentences until death and the few that do do it usually for exceptional cases, so in those cases even if the person is innocent they will be paroled in a few years considering even in canada only 4 lifers have been in prison over 25 years, all serial killers, one being clifford olson, the 1% of innocents in the usa that are eventully released are so old they got nothing to live for anyway.
@m1trekker all the governors of the usa put together only pardon 50 lwop prisoners, 25 are released on assumption they are innocent, and over 70% were pardoned for non-homicide crime, the average time someone serves for being innocent before release is 37 years, though almost all will die, 30,000 people are sentenced to lwop a year there, 3% are innocent, meaning 1,000 innocents are sentenced to life, only 25 innocents are given release a year meaning only 1 in 40 are ever coming back out.
@m1trekker therefore even the innocents can be assured they will never come out, william heirenes is said to be innocent, he's been in since he was 17, now 84, no real life waits for him now, he probably almost wishes he had been killed, are we going to now just abolish prisons because we're afraid of incarcerating people in a cell for the rest of their lives for crimes they didn't commit? why do you think gary gilmore was originally sentenced to life but then asked for death, hmm?
@m1trekker yea because i am not giving you the answer you wanted to hear, you want to hear "oh we shouldn't execute them if we are not sure, even if we release them in 60 years when they are in their 80's" having a life must be better than no life. uh no, you might say oh but we didn't kill him, well can you give him back the several decades you took him while he was locked away, can you give him back his youth his health, all the things he missed out on? the death penalty kills you while young.
150% pro-death penalty for heinous crimes involving rape and murder. Anyone against the death penalty, to me, are just as bad as the criminals, to pay to keep these people alive is sickening and a slap in the face to the victims family put simply:
people pro death penalty are for victims rights, people against the death penalty are for criminals rights simple as..
@whorelix not necessarily, for me i am neither for or against the death penalty to be honest though the idea of life without parole to me seems worse than death therefore it is much more humane to execute them in those cases, if i for one am murdered, i would want the person executed if he was never going to change and endanger society since the justice is he will never harm again but if he does change i'd rather he do something productive later on so my life is not in a vain.
I've never heard this despicable charge explained in any coherent way. The onus is on you to go through capital cases and point to how specific racial factors played a role. If you can do that in enough cases to show a pattern, then the charge is worth considering. I don't believe for a nanosecond that race plays a role.
That is possible, although I think the evidence shows that far more innocents have been murdered by released and escaped murderers. So if the worry is about the horrendous tragedy of an innocent being murdered, less would be where there is a death penalty.
Recently a Canadian man wanted to murder his American girlfriend. His internet history shows that he was looking up whether the state that his girlfriend lived in has the death penalty. Upon learning that Illinois does not have the death penalty, he went ahead and killed her.
The notion that the death penalty does not deter is so fascinating but there is no basis for such an argument.
their are many things wrong with your reasons like reason if you would rather have them suffer while we beat their heads in with a dull rock the reason we don't do that is because it's considered inhumane. 3 What you wan't the real murder running around forever( 4 and 5 )not random every one has to vote it not just one person so racist get lost 6 no it doesn't It in a way is defending yourself 8 can't help the family if their dead nor will money 10 just gives them time to train and plan more
#1: That the United States is the only Western country to still have the death penalty may say more about the lack of moral resolve in those Western countries that have abolished the dealth penalty. That the United States is alone in its position is not by iteslf a good reason.
@DrP3pper011 Really? You don't see a difference between the murder of an innocent person and the killing of a murderer? So those responsible for executing Timothy McVeigh were on the exact same moral level as Timothy McVeigh? Is that what you believe?
the death penalty needs to be stopped, yes people who commit serious crime should rot in prison. But if we have the death penalty think about the persons family and friends THEY didn't do anything wrong, so why should they suffer.
murder is murder, there's no such thing as justified murder, there's no such thing as a humane killing.people who agree with the death penalty must also agree with serial killers.It doesn't matter HOW you kill someone, your still taking there life away.
#10, really? Instead of facing your final hours of life and having a chance to truly repent for your crimes and seek God before you meet Him, being awarded an all expenses paid, life vacation is a better punishment? You'd be doing most of them a FAVOR, not having to worry about how they're going to come up with money for food, let alone tv.
where is the $253 million derived from? if it contains the costs of incarceration of the prisoners on death row you have to consider that if there was no death row these prisoners were still incarcerated so those costs are non-applicable and untruthfull. in fact if you would look at the cost and take into consideration that an inmate costs approximately $42.000 a year to house, it would save the taxpayer alot of money to enforce the death penalty.
@noxard no, it wouldn't, it actually costs a LOT MORE to house them on death row than it does to house them in a maximum security facility. There's also the costs of the trial, which murder trials are a lot longer when the death penalty is being sought, meaning they're a lot more expensive than non capital-murder trials. Read here:
I cant believe you people still have the death penalty... What if you are not afraid of dying, or you are ready to die? That gives you a free pass to kill as many people as you want. Also the points about not being able to teach the younger people that violence is most often not the soloution, not being made any easier by killing people for it. Having a law against killing does not stop people from being killers.
I completly disagree dont tell me that if your family was totured and slaughtered by someone that you wouldn't want justice by the Death penalty and have u even read up on the reasons someone gets put to death penalty?
@spazzyismyname Thats why the victim doesn't get to make the decision, it's bias. Are you really telling me that life imprisonment is not a fitting punishment? I'd rather be dead than live in a cell the rest of my life.
@torm0 Most people rather be imprisoned because Death is one of the main things that almost all humans fear. Thats why it's applied here to tell people that if they do something horrid that they will be put to Death. Plud one less human that our tax money goes to while they stay in prison I'd rather have the money go to schools and more important things. Then to have money spent on lowlife criminals who make horrible decisions like, I dont know, killing there own children.
@spazzyismyname As everyone knows the death penalty doesn't prevent people from murdering. It is true that places with the death penalty in place have just as much serious crime than those without. Someone could be on death row for years and it costs just as much to taxpayers because those on death row costs three times more than normal inmates. These are all pointless arguments anyway because what is really important is the ethical concerns. Should a civilised society kill people who kill?
@spazzyismyname FYI, it actually costs a LOT more to execute than it does to imprison them for life, so it actually TAKES AWAY money from schools and other things.
deathpenaltyinfo(dot)org/costs-death-penalty
As for death being so feared, yeah, I guess that's why so many prisoners commit suicide, and why so many people on the outside kill themselves each year (dealing w/depression or whatever). Oh, and it's NOT a deterrent, as murder rates in states with and without the DP clearly show.
@spazzyismyname and if someone close to you was wrongfully executed, you would want the death penalty to be abolished, but hey, as long as it's NOT happening to you or anyone close to you, why should you care if innocent people are put to death, right? And maybe I would feel that way if our "justice" system actually CARED about delivering justice, sadly, all they care about is their conviction rate, it's not about truth or justice at all, as all the cases of wrongful convictions clearly show.
@Headhunter004 You know wht i just so happen to nt even give a shit oh well if the innocent die there just gna die one day anyway and ye sit is better so the bad people do die. They deserve wht they get and ya' know wht i just luv watching ppl die :) so no sweet off my head.
the moment you choose to murder, rape and steal from another human being, you lose all of your rights. why should the opinions and rights of scum like this be equal to people who are hard working, beneficial members of society?
@fasfsdfasd No I'm not a "pot smoking hippie" and honestly I find that pretty offensive. I don't support the killers or killings I just believe everybody should be treated fairly. You can't teach people killing is wrong by killing people. Look I accept your viewpoint I'm trying to be polite, but you're insulting me. You have to realize that humans are animals. Which means we have animal instincts such as killing. That's my POV. I'll talk to you when you reply. Have a good day.
Northern cities account for the most murders dumbass. Detroit, Camden, Killadelphia, NY, and Baltimore. It cost 5 cents for a bullet, and not as much as food and sheltering that is provided for life sentences.Easy solution.Get rid of death row, if convicted and charged for rape or murder, kill them right after the court. Deters law quickly. With modern forensic sciences there are no wrong convictions for murder.if so, is life in prison much worse? knowing ur innocent. Law and State separation.
@fasfsdfasd noe. They are still a human being. I agree what they did is monstrous, but they are still a human being. You can't criticize someone for taking the life of someone else and turn around and do the same thing. It's hypocrisy at its worst. They definitely deserve punishment, but don't deserve death. Death doesn't even give them a chance to be rehabilitated and put back into society. Not to mention causes even more suffering than is already occuring.
When you say "Try thinking about the victims mother, father, brother, sister, or CHILDREN!"
Your implying that those people are better of if the evildoer is killed so that they can have peace or just know that individual will never harm anyone again, but really its just a revenge.
And why are we the good guys or any better than those who receive such a sentence if we only want them to go through the same thing, aren't we then thinking the same things that got those people on death row?
I think more countries should instate this. Here in Sweden there's a serial killer/ pedophile named Anders Eklund who raped and killed a 31-year-old woman in 2000 and a ten-year-old girl in 2008. He's serving life, living on our tax money when he's not only ended two lives prematurely, he's also ruined the lives of the victims' relatives. And he has been deemed sane by governmental experts.
this is stupid the death penalty should not be abolished that's how you keep a country running is by getting rid of the weak men or woman who kill. They are lowest of mankind and should be put to sleep to many people are using the bible as a way out of capital punishment saying it's not right to kill someone else for there wrong doing i say stamp there ticket to HELL.
think about it with death they can't do anything bad ever again when they are alive they have a will to do bad again when there is a will there is way but death can take away that will no human can overcome death so the criminal can escape from prison commit more crimes so death of that criminal can prevent it I am not 100 percent with capital punishment as long as it is a severe crime and exile is not going to cut it niether
I disagree with number 4. Don't get me wrong I am completely against the death penalty, and nothing can ever sway my opinion on that. Is that actually factually based on anything solid though? That seems pretty steep to me.
Some people seem to mean that the reason for death penalty is not revenge, but that the criminals shall not be released back to society. Life long sentences will prevent that. No reason to kill a person. If you think the rest of your life in prison is too kind, make them listen to country music every day!
@WilliamBroichYAY they crossed the line, but do we really need to do the same? Capital Punishment doesn't benefit society in any way and it doesn't even decrease the crime rate. In order for society to progress we need to get past the motive of revenge. You realize by killing them that you are in fact doing the same thing? Deny it all you want it is the truth. It violates two basic human rights: the right to life and freedom. righteousness is nothing if evil is not accepted as a consequence.
@sanjacraven36 THEY SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED LIKE THIS. THEY SHOULD BE KEPT ALIVE IN THE JAIL, THEY SHOULD BE PROVIDED WITH AIR-CONDITIONER, HD-TV,A PLAY GROUND & PLAYSTATION TO ENJOY THE REST OF THEIR LIFE IN JAIL.
@Caydn sure everyone could think of reasons to have brought it back, but people can also think of many more reasons to get rid of it than what is shown in the video. that is the reason that it is a debatable topic. everyone is going to have different views and they have the right to put there point of view for everyone to see without people judging them don't you think
@Caydn no it's not. It is about deterring crime. If it doesn't deter crime there is absolutely no use for it. We need a more effective method of punishment. That is humane! I realize that we are humans and that we are in fact animals and it is hard to get away from that animal instinct, but we should try as hard as we can to further ourselves from revenge. I realize this is your opinion, and I respect that. Just know that I disagree. Honestly I am for prison reform.
@huffnat Dude this world just gets sicker and sicker and unless most of the worlds population suddenly dropped dead and the survivors used the resources left to benefit everyone what you envisage will never happen , in my book unless you castrate a pedo they will never reform, they cant help themselves .
This video was the biggest crock of shit I've watched on this subject yet. Where the hell did you get all this misinformation? Life imprisonment is NOT a deterrent to crime, overcrowding PROVES that! And executions wouldn't cost so damned much if you didn't keep people on death row forever! Kill em now, not ten years from now. A bullet cost's $1.50 and takes a split second to administer. Innocent's getting executed is the result of shoddy police work, not the death penalty. Change that!
@onepoundpull: so let me get this right: you don't trust the government to run health care, complaining that they'll abuse that, yet you trust them to always "kill the right person"? And we don't trust the government with a DP for the same reason you don't trust them with anything else: there is no way to ensure police and prosecutors will always do their jobs right, or fairly in all cases. Also, it's not JUST the cost of imprisonment, the trials are a LOT more expensive than non capital trials.
@Headhunter004 so let me get this right: YOU think prison is a good deterrent to crime? As opposed to execution? You are less likely to commit a crime if you're going to die for it than if you are just going to prison for it. And if you believe otherwise, you are seriously delusional. Take a good look at over crowding and the amount of recidivism in the prison system. It is a failed system, it is too lax, too "humane", and too corrupt.
@onepoundpull most people in the south in the U.S mainly blacks are delusional, they don't care about death or life in prison
and from what I've seen prison, is definitely not a failed system, nor is it relaxed, most inmates who go to jail, regret their decisions! jail is a great punishment, it definitly does prevent most people from committing a crime
@coolguy89890 I'm happy with life but if they kill or attempt to kill someone and aren't put away for good scares the crap out me my friend went to jail because he robbed a store when he got out he was huge do to the fact all you can do is get raped or get strong
@Headhunter004 Execution is one hell of a bigger deterrent than life in prison and you know it! The expense of capitol trials would be offset by the money saved not housing a prisoner on death row for 10-20 years. THERE is your big expense. Limit appeals to one, and take the investigative procedure out of the hands of the incompetent police and form a private service with carte blanche to determine guilt or innocence within 60 days. Get tough and do it now or pay dearly later!
@Headhunter004 And I can almost guarantee you, you will be building many, many more prisons if you eliminate the death penalty. Want to talk cost there? This country is way too soft on crime and criminals.
Prisoner rights? As far as I'm concerned, they relinquished all their rights when they committed a capitol crime. Don't like it?...Don't commit the crime! Simple! You simply cannot deter crime by being soft on criminals!!
I am for the death penalty for cases of child molestation, rape, murder, high level corporate crime, and people who commit extremely violent acts. I believe this because if these people are executed in mass numbers, we will gain the resources and prison room to better rehabilitate people who actually have a chance at reform. Also, i believe that the death penalty should be carried out in the form of euthansia - a painless and effective way that is more cheap.
Usually when black people are murdered it is not gruesome. Most black murder victims are killed because of gang involvement. Now when white people are murdered it is almost always a combination of rape/robbery with the murder. There are more white victims of rape and murder than any race. These are death penalty worthy crimes. Not stupid "gangstas" shooting each other. Thats why 80% of the people executed are facing charges of murder against a white person.
Death penalty may cost a lot but not as much as the cost to keep prisoners alive. Average prison needs $30,000-$40,000ea head every year. Better to have some innocents dead than have hundreds that rape and murder women and children just to walk the streets again or at the most just live in a big fucking playground called "prison". Our justice system is a joke. We need to start another system like the Eastern State Penitentiary had. In a cell 23/7. 1hr of yard time. Never seeing another inmate.
@masonbowen wrong, it DOES cost more than keeping people imprisoned for the rest of their lives, a LOT more, I don't know how many times I've had to point this out already:
deathpenaltyinfo(dot)org/costs-death-penalty
Also, did you just say better that innocents are put to death than guilty ones put away for the rest of their lives, never to see the light outside of the cages again? Wow, the fact that you were able to type that in good conscience says a lot about your "compassion".
@TheTruth775 no, but you support a system that has, and will continue, to claim innocent lives, the same thing you want killers put to death for.
By your own logic, you DO deserve the death penalty, I'm sorry, there's no way around it. Like a famous philosophy professor, Agnes Heller, once said on a Penn & Teller skit about capital punishment: "If you support the death penalty and only one single innocent person is killed, then you become murderers and so you also deserve to be killed".
I am only agree to the capital death abolition if they remove all the possibility for parole for inmates who has the life punishment. No parole to anyone who commit a crime, just jail and imprisonment.
@supergenious82 nobody's saying they should be allowed parole, in fact, that's what virtually all death penalty opponents WANT: life without the possibility of parole. That way, you keep all the truly guilty ones off the streets for good and allow the wrongfully convicted, innocent persons to be released, so it's a win-win.
Do any of you know how much it costs to house a prisoner? It costs the government something like 30,000 bucks a year. I think it costs a lot less to put some liquid in someone's arm than house them, feed them, and Even entertaim, for whatever, 30 years they're in prison. Prison is actually pretty good, at least when there their they get safety, three square meals a day, interaction with other inmates, and even entertainment, i.e. magazines, television, sports. It's a no brainer, KEEP IT!
@TheTruth775 Wrong, it costs a LOT more to execute inmates than it does to keep them in prison for life, it's not even CLOSE! California spends $250 million per execution, while other states spend double digit millions for just ONE execution, whereas life imprisonment only costs $500,000-$750,000. And if prison life is so cozy, then how come a lot of inmates commit suicide while in prison? Also, I hope you know innocent people are executed, too. By your own standards, you deserve to die then.
I don't think it's right. Capital punishment makes the government a murderer too. How come people don't think about that? The government and people performing executions are just as bad in my book. Life imprisonment is better.
@mikeyrobins022585 Right. And plus, INNOCENT people are executed, too. By death penalty supporters own standards, they, too, deserve to be put to death when that happens.
if somebody in my family died as a result of murder, about the only thing LIKE the death penalty that I think could ease my pain would be.....
killing the guy myself, in the most inhumane, disgusting manner you can imagine, I would have to actually sit down, and think for a week on how to kill somebody in such a way......the most nasty murder in the history of crime, period.
thats the only way I think "capitol punishment" could help.
I am no bleading heart for the people that commit these crimes. I think the victims are the ones that deserve the pitty. However, if you truely want to punish these scum than I truely believe life in prison is the answer and is an alternative to the death penalty. Why because there have been people wrongfully put to death just because they have had bad representation. Also, there are countries that function fine without a death penalty. I am a Texan republican not a liberal.
You sound like a bleeding heart to me. Life imprisonment is a joe, but if you feel that is adequate "punishment" that is your opinion. There is no proof of an innocent person being put to death in this country, regardless of all the rumors the abolitionist crowd spreads.
Most anti death penalty, or supposedly anti death penalty, people will draw the line somewhere and say there are people, or throughout history have been people, who deserve/d the death penalty.
The biggest anomaly of the dp (and btw I'm pro-dp) is that, in the US anyway, (I don't think anywhere else with the DP provides reliable statistics on its use) less than 1% of convicted murderers receive the death penalty. Many receive life sentences or even ordinary prison sentences and are free in a few years.
In the UK our sentencing structure for murderers is in a way better, every murderer gets life and then within that the judge sets a tariff (e.g. 15 years).
Let me make my case against the death penalty. The innocence project has proved that there are innocent people that are put to death wrongfully accused. Two if you put a person in jail for life you make him think about his crime for the rest of his life and pay for that crime. Is the death penalty cheaper? I think it isn't if you look at figures. Also, the victims need justice and putting a man behind bars for life is just that.
The "INNOCENCE" PROJECT has no proof of anything, other than they are trying to prove capital offenders "innocent" for the sake of it. Case is point- in Texas, there was a scumbag who was executed for shooting a store clerk right between the eyes. The "INNOCENCE PROJECT" was going to prove him "innocent" by using a hair found at the crime scene. BTW, he was caught on videotape doing it, and he already had two previous murder convictions.
Also, if the price for murdering someone should be that they receive the death penalty, then doesn't it logically follow that the price for these crooked ass corrupt prosecutors, judges, and jurors we have lurking in our court system should be that they receive death as well for sending innocent people to the death chamber (and on purpose)? Oh wait, no death penalty for corrupt prosecutors, you say? Then obviously, there should be no death penalty for citizens, either, because that's not fair.
FYI, the death penalty only makes it WORSE for murder victims families, not better; their families have to sit through YEARS of appeals and have to constantly work with the legal system for 15-20 years or longer, many families have even said outright that the drawn out death penalty process was painful for them. The death penalty also takes money and resources away that could be used to give counseling or other, more important things besides childish little revenge fantasies.
@reno142 DUDE. I had a friend who was kidnapped and raped, her family was murdered (Shasta Groene, look her up if you don't believe me. I live in Ceour d'Alene.) and they gave the guy death penalty and Iiiiii still am totally against it.
@reno142 I hope you are referring to the victim of a criminal who committed the violent crime and are NOT referring to the criminal as a "victim". Bottom line is, you make a choice to unleash life threatening violence on an innocent, you forfeit your right to your own life. Does it cost more money to execute violent criminals than it does to house and feed them for the rest of their lives? I'd like to see the statistics on that.
The death penalty is essentially vigilantism. Each Death Row Inmate can be held not knowing what will happen to them for up to 25 years. Sound like a hostage holding to you?
@ProsperityGlobal Raise the standing of the US in the world? Who gives a crap what the rest of the world thinks of the US cause I for one dont give a crap if say Germany hates me because I have murders and rapists put to death. The US is full of pansies cause of people like you who are too girly to actually punish those who commit capital crimes.
@ProsperityGlobal Well if your not American or not in America just shut the hell up then. If who we put to death is none of your bus then just leave it that way. And no its not time for us to follow, I believe that if you murdered someone, or raped someone, or did any of those things to a child and a jurry of your peers convicts you of such crimes then i believe you need to meet your making plain and simple and dont give a flying F#@$ the rest of the world thinks about it.
@sgl49ers02 The Death Penalty does not seem to act as much as a deterent, the United States has much higher murder rate than an abolitionist country such as Canada, The UK or Australia.
I know this information is going to make most of these people more in favor of the death penalty, but lethal injection is actually about the most painful way to die out there. More than half of the time, the drugs that make you unconcious wear off long before the 15 minutes it takes to die, so you suffocate to death and your heart is stopped while you're fully concious.
Maybe you should look a bit further than that. What did swine, drug dealers, robbers, gang bangers do to you??? And also, if there were no more of those people then the world would all be communism. And dont give me crap bout they killin people and more people are joining them. Every day 100,000 more people are born then dead. So, they actually equal out the balance.
@hidethisnine Yes, there are. 1) It is applied unfairly to racial minorities and the poor (you're treated MUCH better if rich and guilty than if poor and innocent in other words) 2) it is VERY expensive and drains funding from other essentials. 3) It doesn't deter crime; murder rates are actually HIGHER in DP states 4) It has and will inevitably lead to the execution of INNOCENT people (HELLO!) and when THAT happens, the PROSECUTORS aren't in danger of being hung or put to death, now are they?
@Headhunter004 It is not applied unfairly you moron, Poor and minorities commit these crimes more often than other demographics you rediculously uninformed liberal.
@reno142 It's not that rich people are sentenced less than the poor, it's that rich people are never, EVER sentenced to death. U.S. Supreme Court justice Ruth Bader Ginsburgh even said, IN HER OWN WORDS: "People who are well represented at trial do not get the death penalty ... I have yet to see a death case among the dozens coming to the Supreme Court on eve-of- execution stay applications in which the defendant was well represented at trial." It's YOU who is uneducated, right wing fucktards...
@Headhunter004 So lets take the state of Tx for example, your gonna tell me that the murder rate in Tx than say in Ca? Cause I will tell youu that you are wrong if thats the case. I promise you that there are a few things that deter crime, 1 is the person who the crime being commited against armed, and 2 will i die for this if i do it? The state of Texas kills more people a yr than the rest of the US combined and has a fairly low murder rate
@sgl49ers02 FYI Texas has a murder rate above the national average DESPITE having the most executions. Not only that, but Texas has a SIGNIFICANTLY higher murder rate than states like Colorado, Montana, New Hampshire, Wyoming, Conneticut, etc which all use the DP very sparingly. Furthermore, states that use the death penalty have almost DOUBLE the murder rate of states that DON'T use the DP, not to mention that the murder rate was MUCH higher during the 1930s when we were executing like crazy.
It doesn't matter. You are comparing apples and oranges. There are countless factors that contribute to crime rates; population density, (which is very low for ALL the states you listed), race and hate crimes, weather, number of urban areas, ect. All that matters is that a dead scumbag cannot harm anyone.
Yo Bro, Let me guess, your black and you know someone on Death Row?
Sounds like you don't want him to pay for the crime he did. When it should be an "eye for an eye" He should have thought about it before he did it. It should be on Live TV maybe then people would think twice before they do something stupid.
Of the top ten countries with the highest murder rates, all but one have abolished the death penalty.
Who cares if it's a lottery, as a taxpayer I wouldn't care about murderers who've raped the quantitive lives of millions.
With a seperation of Church and State, religion is irrelevant.
Importantly, it doesn't matter what other countries do and what company you keep, it's about doing what the people in Your country want, not making it looking better statistically.
Yea, and with abolishing the death penalty, we can free those that are falsy accused, but you can't reverse death if you execute a person that was found not guilty.
@Aluenvey It is a shame that people are falsly accused yes, however if the evidence points to them and they are convicted by a jurry of their peers beyond a resonable doubt for a capital crime then put em to death. Sounds harsh, but it is what it is and I believe 100% in the death penalty. I live in the great state of Tx and am proud of the fact that we put more people to death each month then the rest of the US does a year combined.
Texas executed Jose Medellin, a fuck that was convicted but thought he should get away because he was an ILLEGAL ALIEN from Mexico. He brutally raped and killed 2 teenage girls. The World Courts put a stay on the execution but Texas carried it out anyway.
#5- it's a matter of how heinous the crime is. It's not just at random.
#6- This isn't something that religion should be brought into. It's justice for the family of the victim and gets rid of someone who doesn't deserve to live. How would you feel if your divorced husband raped, beat, and threw your barely alive daughter in a river IN A TRASH BAG only to die a slow painful death? I'd bet anything you'd be screaming for him to be killed.
philliesgurl26 2 weeks ago
#2- it costs $30,000-$50,000 to keep a prisoner alive each year. That adds up for life sentences. Scum like those who beat and stab to death their 3 year old twin girls don't deserve to live.
#3- that's why each case is read and reviewed so many times by so many people and takes so long.
#4- that's a bullshit "fact" that you made up. How do you know it's BECAUSE of race solely? Maybe if you read the cases you'd understand. But you haven't so that's an invalid statement.
philliesgurl26 2 weeks ago
you didn't site anything you said. therefore nothing you say on this video is credible. you can't make an argument and not site credible sources. makes you seem as though you're making a lot of stuff up.
cottycheese 2 months ago
abolish the death penalty forever. life without prole is also a punishment we can use.
29Essan 3 months ago
1:The South has a high crime rate so they have a high execution rate.
2: Life in prison is expensive too. Amend the appeals process instead.
3: States accidentally imprison people too. Should we abolish jails?
4: 55% on death row are white. Are you arguing whites are being persecuted?
5: A simple statistic does not make it a lottery.
6: Separation of Church and State
7: Japan and South Korea too
8: Victims are compensated
9: Fix the lawyers, then!
10: I'd rather die than spend 60 years in jail
Mrpastry909 3 months ago
@Mrpastry909 i like your list. u forgot something! dp almost offers no closure!
TheDisenherited1 2 months ago
this video is shit. life without parole? if i were on a capital case and the only other solution is life without parole the judge better hope it fucking kills me. what am i gonna do in not getting executed? sit in a 6 by 6 foot cell the rest of my life? lol i think those opting for life without parole are even more abusive and no death penalty plays no part in race, though more black people are given the sentence, a higher percentage of whites actually have it carried out and more rapidly too.
ultradumbass 4 months ago
@dearpsychonaut I apologize. I did not entirely read your comment. I have issues with that. Please forgive =)
GladForGladius 5 months ago
@dearpsychonaut If you support the death penalty, let me ask you this. Are you willing to let your family be innocently executed so that we can just kill other people!? Plus death penalty is VERY expensive (about $3.5 million per execution) think of all the money we'd gain FOR NOT KILLING SOMEONE and what good that money could be used for; educating children, repairing roads, assisting in healthcare. Support death penalty and you have to support executing the innocent.
DOWN WITH THE DEATH PENAL
GladForGladius 5 months ago
@GladForGladius hundreds of people in the usa are going away for life who are innocent and most likely will die there, canada has no life without parole so most offenders are paroled within 20 years, and considering life sentence until death is worse than death as they are both the same you might say "oh but we didn't execute him." no you let him die of old age, what a glorious end. and for the few that are exonerated most spend decades and are usually seniors by then. what life they got now?
ultradumbass 4 months ago
It missed one of the most important reasons, taking a human life makes you a murderer
m1trekker 5 months ago
@m1trekker actually taking a human life makes you a killer, a murderer is someone who kills with absolutely no justification as far as society views it, in the case of the government they "killed" someone but it would not be murder since their justification is to do the same thing back just as soldiers fight in wars and people kill in self defence, though it is probable a person who murders would at the time feel justified the term murder depends on what the laws apply as acceptable to kill.
ultradumbass 4 months ago
@ultradumbass No its murder, the definition depends on the jurisdiction, I wouldn't be as naive as to believe government definitions and propaganda, you will end up mad, just as mad as the countless poor souls who have sent their sons to be murdered on the battlefield in pointless wars. Legality depends on your point of view and who makes the laws.
m1trekker 4 months ago
@m1trekker ji'm going to go off on a limb here and assume you're a liberal correct? liberals are known to heavily support abortion and both conservatives and liberals are known to support putting animals that bite someone put to sleep, is this not murder or is this somehow justifiable as we didn't just kill a homo sapien
ultradumbass 4 months ago
@ultradumbass Probably best to avoid assumptions
m1trekker 4 months ago
@m1trekker alright then, do you support abortion and putting animals to sleep for biting? if so that is extremely hypocritical isn't it? and what would you suggest as an alternative? most that are against capital punishment would still want the killer to serve natural life, makes no sense does it? life without parole is like lethal injection except you're slowly dying from old age. and keeping someone in prison is not cheaper than execution, it is only so in the usa because of all the appeals.
ultradumbass 4 months ago
@ultradumbass Execution in the US is known to be one of the most expensive methods. Would you rather no appeal and just kill them to later discover that they would have been found innocent on appeal ?
m1trekker 4 months ago 2
@m1trekker even if they are innocent the usa would never release them, most countries don't give life sentences until death and the few that do do it usually for exceptional cases, so in those cases even if the person is innocent they will be paroled in a few years considering even in canada only 4 lifers have been in prison over 25 years, all serial killers, one being clifford olson, the 1% of innocents in the usa that are eventully released are so old they got nothing to live for anyway.
ultradumbass 4 months ago
@m1trekker all the governors of the usa put together only pardon 50 lwop prisoners, 25 are released on assumption they are innocent, and over 70% were pardoned for non-homicide crime, the average time someone serves for being innocent before release is 37 years, though almost all will die, 30,000 people are sentenced to lwop a year there, 3% are innocent, meaning 1,000 innocents are sentenced to life, only 25 innocents are given release a year meaning only 1 in 40 are ever coming back out.
ultradumbass 4 months ago
@m1trekker therefore even the innocents can be assured they will never come out, william heirenes is said to be innocent, he's been in since he was 17, now 84, no real life waits for him now, he probably almost wishes he had been killed, are we going to now just abolish prisons because we're afraid of incarcerating people in a cell for the rest of their lives for crimes they didn't commit? why do you think gary gilmore was originally sentenced to life but then asked for death, hmm?
ultradumbass 4 months ago
@ultradumbass I don't think you answered my question.
m1trekker 4 months ago
@m1trekker yea because i am not giving you the answer you wanted to hear, you want to hear "oh we shouldn't execute them if we are not sure, even if we release them in 60 years when they are in their 80's" having a life must be better than no life. uh no, you might say oh but we didn't kill him, well can you give him back the several decades you took him while he was locked away, can you give him back his youth his health, all the things he missed out on? the death penalty kills you while young.
ultradumbass 4 months ago
these are real facts
TheDisenherited1 5 months ago
150% pro-death penalty for heinous crimes involving rape and murder. Anyone against the death penalty, to me, are just as bad as the criminals, to pay to keep these people alive is sickening and a slap in the face to the victims family put simply:
people pro death penalty are for victims rights, people against the death penalty are for criminals rights simple as..
whorelix 5 months ago
@whorelix not necessarily, for me i am neither for or against the death penalty to be honest though the idea of life without parole to me seems worse than death therefore it is much more humane to execute them in those cases, if i for one am murdered, i would want the person executed if he was never going to change and endanger society since the justice is he will never harm again but if he does change i'd rather he do something productive later on so my life is not in a vain.
ultradumbass 4 months ago
you are welcome
jon199680 8 months ago
#4 Race plays a role in who gets put to death.
I've never heard this despicable charge explained in any coherent way. The onus is on you to go through capital cases and point to how specific racial factors played a role. If you can do that in enough cases to show a pattern, then the charge is worth considering. I don't believe for a nanosecond that race plays a role.
koyunbaba73 8 months ago
#3 An innocent might be executed.
That is possible, although I think the evidence shows that far more innocents have been murdered by released and escaped murderers. So if the worry is about the horrendous tragedy of an innocent being murdered, less would be where there is a death penalty.
koyunbaba73 8 months ago
#2 The death penalty is expensive
Yes it is too expensive. The answer is to make it less expensive, not to do away with it.
koyunbaba73 8 months ago
# 1: "Capital punishment does not deter"
Recently a Canadian man wanted to murder his American girlfriend. His internet history shows that he was looking up whether the state that his girlfriend lived in has the death penalty. Upon learning that Illinois does not have the death penalty, he went ahead and killed her.
The notion that the death penalty does not deter is so fascinating but there is no basis for such an argument.
koyunbaba73 8 months ago
their are many things wrong with your reasons like reason if you would rather have them suffer while we beat their heads in with a dull rock the reason we don't do that is because it's considered inhumane. 3 What you wan't the real murder running around forever( 4 and 5 )not random every one has to vote it not just one person so racist get lost 6 no it doesn't It in a way is defending yourself 8 can't help the family if their dead nor will money 10 just gives them time to train and plan more
marksmanlane 8 months ago
I'll deal with these the best I can
#1: That the United States is the only Western country to still have the death penalty may say more about the lack of moral resolve in those Western countries that have abolished the dealth penalty. That the United States is alone in its position is not by iteslf a good reason.
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marksmanlane 8 months ago
the death penalty makes us no better than the murderers..
DrP3pper011 8 months ago
@DrP3pper011 Really? You don't see a difference between the murder of an innocent person and the killing of a murderer? So those responsible for executing Timothy McVeigh were on the exact same moral level as Timothy McVeigh? Is that what you believe?
koyunbaba73 8 months ago
@koyunbaba73 agreed and unlike murders we don't smash their heads in with a bat rape their dead bodys and leave them floating in a river
marksmanlane 8 months ago
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the death penalty needs to be stopped, yes people who commit serious crime should rot in prison. But if we have the death penalty think about the persons family and friends THEY didn't do anything wrong, so why should they suffer.
murder is murder, there's no such thing as justified murder, there's no such thing as a humane killing.people who agree with the death penalty must also agree with serial killers.It doesn't matter HOW you kill someone, your still taking there life away.
supersonic320 8 months ago
#10, really? Instead of facing your final hours of life and having a chance to truly repent for your crimes and seek God before you meet Him, being awarded an all expenses paid, life vacation is a better punishment? You'd be doing most of them a FAVOR, not having to worry about how they're going to come up with money for food, let alone tv.
DiJohnny18 9 months ago
where is the $253 million derived from? if it contains the costs of incarceration of the prisoners on death row you have to consider that if there was no death row these prisoners were still incarcerated so those costs are non-applicable and untruthfull. in fact if you would look at the cost and take into consideration that an inmate costs approximately $42.000 a year to house, it would save the taxpayer alot of money to enforce the death penalty.
noxard 10 months ago
@noxard no, it wouldn't, it actually costs a LOT MORE to house them on death row than it does to house them in a maximum security facility. There's also the costs of the trial, which murder trials are a lot longer when the death penalty is being sought, meaning they're a lot more expensive than non capital-murder trials. Read here:
deathpenaltyinfo(dot)org/costs-death-penalty
Headhunter004 9 months ago
TheCagedVoice is an idiot for actually wanting criminals to live.
thisissparta789789 10 months ago
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I cant believe you people still have the death penalty... What if you are not afraid of dying, or you are ready to die? That gives you a free pass to kill as many people as you want. Also the points about not being able to teach the younger people that violence is most often not the soloution, not being made any easier by killing people for it. Having a law against killing does not stop people from being killers.
Metknot666 10 months ago
I completly disagree dont tell me that if your family was totured and slaughtered by someone that you wouldn't want justice by the Death penalty and have u even read up on the reasons someone gets put to death penalty?
spazzyismyname 11 months ago
@spazzyismyname Thats why the victim doesn't get to make the decision, it's bias. Are you really telling me that life imprisonment is not a fitting punishment? I'd rather be dead than live in a cell the rest of my life.
torm0 10 months ago
@torm0 Most people rather be imprisoned because Death is one of the main things that almost all humans fear. Thats why it's applied here to tell people that if they do something horrid that they will be put to Death. Plud one less human that our tax money goes to while they stay in prison I'd rather have the money go to schools and more important things. Then to have money spent on lowlife criminals who make horrible decisions like, I dont know, killing there own children.
spazzyismyname 10 months ago
@spazzyismyname As everyone knows the death penalty doesn't prevent people from murdering. It is true that places with the death penalty in place have just as much serious crime than those without. Someone could be on death row for years and it costs just as much to taxpayers because those on death row costs three times more than normal inmates. These are all pointless arguments anyway because what is really important is the ethical concerns. Should a civilised society kill people who kill?
torm0 10 months ago
@torm0 Yes you want such an uncivilised crime go unnoticed and just put into jail. As a civilized nation we must do this.
spazzyismyname 10 months ago
@spazzyismyname Lol how are consecutive life sentences 'going unnoticed'? Only third world countries and america have a death penalty.
torm0 10 months ago
@spazzyismyname FYI, it actually costs a LOT more to execute than it does to imprison them for life, so it actually TAKES AWAY money from schools and other things.
deathpenaltyinfo(dot)org/costs-death-penalty
As for death being so feared, yeah, I guess that's why so many prisoners commit suicide, and why so many people on the outside kill themselves each year (dealing w/depression or whatever). Oh, and it's NOT a deterrent, as murder rates in states with and without the DP clearly show.
Headhunter004 9 months ago
@spazzyismyname and if someone close to you was wrongfully executed, you would want the death penalty to be abolished, but hey, as long as it's NOT happening to you or anyone close to you, why should you care if innocent people are put to death, right? And maybe I would feel that way if our "justice" system actually CARED about delivering justice, sadly, all they care about is their conviction rate, it's not about truth or justice at all, as all the cases of wrongful convictions clearly show.
Headhunter004 9 months ago
@Headhunter004 You know wht i just so happen to nt even give a shit oh well if the innocent die there just gna die one day anyway and ye sit is better so the bad people do die. They deserve wht they get and ya' know wht i just luv watching ppl die :) so no sweet off my head.
spazzyismyname 9 months ago
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fuck human rights for these bastards.
the moment you choose to murder, rape and steal from another human being, you lose all of your rights. why should the opinions and rights of scum like this be equal to people who are hard working, beneficial members of society?
pyramidheadkitten9 11 months ago
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sXeCanadianBoy 11 months ago
Really valid points - they helped me with some reasons for studying this in school. Thanks i totally agree!!!
dollypfan1 11 months ago
@fasfsdfasd couldnt have said it better huffnat
gamer3able 11 months ago
@fasfsdfasd No I'm not a "pot smoking hippie" and honestly I find that pretty offensive. I don't support the killers or killings I just believe everybody should be treated fairly. You can't teach people killing is wrong by killing people. Look I accept your viewpoint I'm trying to be polite, but you're insulting me. You have to realize that humans are animals. Which means we have animal instincts such as killing. That's my POV. I'll talk to you when you reply. Have a good day.
huffnat 11 months ago
Northern cities account for the most murders dumbass. Detroit, Camden, Killadelphia, NY, and Baltimore. It cost 5 cents for a bullet, and not as much as food and sheltering that is provided for life sentences.Easy solution.Get rid of death row, if convicted and charged for rape or murder, kill them right after the court. Deters law quickly. With modern forensic sciences there are no wrong convictions for murder.if so, is life in prison much worse? knowing ur innocent. Law and State separation.
Andyiron777 11 months ago
@fasfsdfasd noe. They are still a human being. I agree what they did is monstrous, but they are still a human being. You can't criticize someone for taking the life of someone else and turn around and do the same thing. It's hypocrisy at its worst. They definitely deserve punishment, but don't deserve death. Death doesn't even give them a chance to be rehabilitated and put back into society. Not to mention causes even more suffering than is already occuring.
huffnat 11 months ago
lol the U.S. States ? the united states of states ?
blazontroll 1 year ago
When you say "Try thinking about the victims mother, father, brother, sister, or CHILDREN!"
Your implying that those people are better of if the evildoer is killed so that they can have peace or just know that individual will never harm anyone again, but really its just a revenge.
And why are we the good guys or any better than those who receive such a sentence if we only want them to go through the same thing, aren't we then thinking the same things that got those people on death row?
MichaelJackson1337 1 year ago
I think more countries should instate this. Here in Sweden there's a serial killer/ pedophile named Anders Eklund who raped and killed a 31-year-old woman in 2000 and a ten-year-old girl in 2008. He's serving life, living on our tax money when he's not only ended two lives prematurely, he's also ruined the lives of the victims' relatives. And he has been deemed sane by governmental experts.
That guy should be executed.
DrStrangebomb1993 1 year ago
this is stupid the death penalty should not be abolished that's how you keep a country running is by getting rid of the weak men or woman who kill. They are lowest of mankind and should be put to sleep to many people are using the bible as a way out of capital punishment saying it's not right to kill someone else for there wrong doing i say stamp there ticket to HELL.
nitro300 1 year ago
think about it with death they can't do anything bad ever again when they are alive they have a will to do bad again when there is a will there is way but death can take away that will no human can overcome death so the criminal can escape from prison commit more crimes so death of that criminal can prevent it I am not 100 percent with capital punishment as long as it is a severe crime and exile is not going to cut it niether
olah547 1 year ago
But of course Abortion should be legal; right?
mdstalla 1 year ago
@mdstalla Absolutely. There are more cells in the brain of a fly than there is in a zygote.
nightwraith666 1 year ago
@mdstalla no it shouldn't. A lot of things should not be legal.
567treehugger 1 year ago
May the punishment fit the crime.
JinxOz 1 year ago 6
i agree
dodd067 1 year ago
To kill someone who have killed somone. Talk about turning the other cheek.
bolof777 1 year ago
I disagree with number 4. Don't get me wrong I am completely against the death penalty, and nothing can ever sway my opinion on that. Is that actually factually based on anything solid though? That seems pretty steep to me.
huffnat 1 year ago
Some people seem to mean that the reason for death penalty is not revenge, but that the criminals shall not be released back to society. Life long sentences will prevent that. No reason to kill a person. If you think the rest of your life in prison is too kind, make them listen to country music every day!
Topographer 1 year ago
so your saying a child rapist, terrorist, murderer should not deserve to die??? that makes no sense thats like saying you fee sorry for them!
WilliamBroichYAY 1 year ago
@WilliamBroichYAY they crossed the line, but do we really need to do the same? Capital Punishment doesn't benefit society in any way and it doesn't even decrease the crime rate. In order for society to progress we need to get past the motive of revenge. You realize by killing them that you are in fact doing the same thing? Deny it all you want it is the truth. It violates two basic human rights: the right to life and freedom. righteousness is nothing if evil is not accepted as a consequence.
huffnat 1 year ago
all i can say is F*CK THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!!
mikeyrobins022585 1 year ago
1:21 - D-: Sooooo TERRIBLE!!
DeGrAsSiFrEaK222 1 year ago
I love the balloons in the backround so cheery
strickerman101 1 year ago 4
As soon as you call the death penalty "racist" you lose all credibility of your argument.
sanjacraven36 1 year ago
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@sanjacraven36 THEY SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED LIKE THIS. THEY SHOULD BE KEPT ALIVE IN THE JAIL, THEY SHOULD BE PROVIDED WITH AIR-CONDITIONER, HD-TV,A PLAY GROUND & PLAYSTATION TO ENJOY THE REST OF THEIR LIFE IN JAIL.
abhilashbose 1 year ago
Only 10 reasons I could give a dozen to bring it back
Caydn 1 year ago
@Caydn sure everyone could think of reasons to have brought it back, but people can also think of many more reasons to get rid of it than what is shown in the video. that is the reason that it is a debatable topic. everyone is going to have different views and they have the right to put there point of view for everyone to see without people judging them don't you think
Idiocrasy1 1 year ago
@Caydn thats why its a debate topic everyone has a different point of view
Idiocrasy1 1 year ago
@Idiocrasy1 The first one is a joke capital punishment isnt about detering crime its about punishing the criminals
Caydn 1 year ago
@Caydn no it's not. It is about deterring crime. If it doesn't deter crime there is absolutely no use for it. We need a more effective method of punishment. That is humane! I realize that we are humans and that we are in fact animals and it is hard to get away from that animal instinct, but we should try as hard as we can to further ourselves from revenge. I realize this is your opinion, and I respect that. Just know that I disagree. Honestly I am for prison reform.
huffnat 1 year ago
@huffnat Dude this world just gets sicker and sicker and unless most of the worlds population suddenly dropped dead and the survivors used the resources left to benefit everyone what you envisage will never happen , in my book unless you castrate a pedo they will never reform, they cant help themselves .
Caydn 1 year ago
This video was the biggest crock of shit I've watched on this subject yet. Where the hell did you get all this misinformation? Life imprisonment is NOT a deterrent to crime, overcrowding PROVES that! And executions wouldn't cost so damned much if you didn't keep people on death row forever! Kill em now, not ten years from now. A bullet cost's $1.50 and takes a split second to administer. Innocent's getting executed is the result of shoddy police work, not the death penalty. Change that!
onepoundpull 1 year ago
@onepoundpull: so let me get this right: you don't trust the government to run health care, complaining that they'll abuse that, yet you trust them to always "kill the right person"? And we don't trust the government with a DP for the same reason you don't trust them with anything else: there is no way to ensure police and prosecutors will always do their jobs right, or fairly in all cases. Also, it's not JUST the cost of imprisonment, the trials are a LOT more expensive than non capital trials.
Headhunter004 9 months ago
@Headhunter004 so let me get this right: YOU think prison is a good deterrent to crime? As opposed to execution? You are less likely to commit a crime if you're going to die for it than if you are just going to prison for it. And if you believe otherwise, you are seriously delusional. Take a good look at over crowding and the amount of recidivism in the prison system. It is a failed system, it is too lax, too "humane", and too corrupt.
onepoundpull 9 months ago
@onepoundpull most people in the south in the U.S mainly blacks are delusional, they don't care about death or life in prison
and from what I've seen prison, is definitely not a failed system, nor is it relaxed, most inmates who go to jail, regret their decisions! jail is a great punishment, it definitly does prevent most people from committing a crime
coolguy89890 9 months ago
@coolguy89890 I'm happy with life but if they kill or attempt to kill someone and aren't put away for good scares the crap out me my friend went to jail because he robbed a store when he got out he was huge do to the fact all you can do is get raped or get strong
marksmanlane 8 months ago
@Headhunter004 Execution is one hell of a bigger deterrent than life in prison and you know it! The expense of capitol trials would be offset by the money saved not housing a prisoner on death row for 10-20 years. THERE is your big expense. Limit appeals to one, and take the investigative procedure out of the hands of the incompetent police and form a private service with carte blanche to determine guilt or innocence within 60 days. Get tough and do it now or pay dearly later!
onepoundpull 9 months ago
@Headhunter004 And I can almost guarantee you, you will be building many, many more prisons if you eliminate the death penalty. Want to talk cost there? This country is way too soft on crime and criminals.
Prisoner rights? As far as I'm concerned, they relinquished all their rights when they committed a capitol crime. Don't like it?...Don't commit the crime! Simple! You simply cannot deter crime by being soft on criminals!!
onepoundpull 9 months ago
I am for the death penalty for cases of child molestation, rape, murder, high level corporate crime, and people who commit extremely violent acts. I believe this because if these people are executed in mass numbers, we will gain the resources and prison room to better rehabilitate people who actually have a chance at reform. Also, i believe that the death penalty should be carried out in the form of euthansia - a painless and effective way that is more cheap.
actionist2009 1 year ago
HANG EM HIGH
delano654 1 year ago
fucking "TOLERANCE" is overrated!
delano654 1 year ago
Usually when black people are murdered it is not gruesome. Most black murder victims are killed because of gang involvement. Now when white people are murdered it is almost always a combination of rape/robbery with the murder. There are more white victims of rape and murder than any race. These are death penalty worthy crimes. Not stupid "gangstas" shooting each other. Thats why 80% of the people executed are facing charges of murder against a white person.
masonbowen 1 year ago
Death penalty may cost a lot but not as much as the cost to keep prisoners alive. Average prison needs $30,000-$40,000ea head every year. Better to have some innocents dead than have hundreds that rape and murder women and children just to walk the streets again or at the most just live in a big fucking playground called "prison". Our justice system is a joke. We need to start another system like the Eastern State Penitentiary had. In a cell 23/7. 1hr of yard time. Never seeing another inmate.
masonbowen 1 year ago
@masonbowen wrong, it DOES cost more than keeping people imprisoned for the rest of their lives, a LOT more, I don't know how many times I've had to point this out already:
deathpenaltyinfo(dot)org/costs-death-penalty
Also, did you just say better that innocents are put to death than guilty ones put away for the rest of their lives, never to see the light outside of the cages again? Wow, the fact that you were able to type that in good conscience says a lot about your "compassion".
Headhunter004 9 months ago
=] This is amazing, sweetheart
Chloe76767 1 year ago
@Headhunter004 by my own standards I do not, because I haven't taken a person's life, raped a child, or committed any other crime against my nation
TheTruth775 1 year ago
@TheTruth775 no, but you support a system that has, and will continue, to claim innocent lives, the same thing you want killers put to death for.
By your own logic, you DO deserve the death penalty, I'm sorry, there's no way around it. Like a famous philosophy professor, Agnes Heller, once said on a Penn & Teller skit about capital punishment: "If you support the death penalty and only one single innocent person is killed, then you become murderers and so you also deserve to be killed".
Headhunter004 9 months ago
I am only agree to the capital death abolition if they remove all the possibility for parole for inmates who has the life punishment. No parole to anyone who commit a crime, just jail and imprisonment.
supergenious82 1 year ago
@supergenious82 nobody's saying they should be allowed parole, in fact, that's what virtually all death penalty opponents WANT: life without the possibility of parole. That way, you keep all the truly guilty ones off the streets for good and allow the wrongfully convicted, innocent persons to be released, so it's a win-win.
Headhunter004 1 year ago
Do any of you know how much it costs to house a prisoner? It costs the government something like 30,000 bucks a year. I think it costs a lot less to put some liquid in someone's arm than house them, feed them, and Even entertaim, for whatever, 30 years they're in prison. Prison is actually pretty good, at least when there their they get safety, three square meals a day, interaction with other inmates, and even entertainment, i.e. magazines, television, sports. It's a no brainer, KEEP IT!
TheTruth775 1 year ago
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Headhunter004 1 year ago
@TheTruth775 Wrong, it costs a LOT more to execute inmates than it does to keep them in prison for life, it's not even CLOSE! California spends $250 million per execution, while other states spend double digit millions for just ONE execution, whereas life imprisonment only costs $500,000-$750,000. And if prison life is so cozy, then how come a lot of inmates commit suicide while in prison? Also, I hope you know innocent people are executed, too. By your own standards, you deserve to die then.
Headhunter004 1 year ago
i complety agree with #3. what if someone is innocent but they cant prove it?
wiccantutor 1 year ago
I don't think it's right. Capital punishment makes the government a murderer too. How come people don't think about that? The government and people performing executions are just as bad in my book. Life imprisonment is better.
mikeyrobins022585 1 year ago
@mikeyrobins022585 Right. And plus, INNOCENT people are executed, too. By death penalty supporters own standards, they, too, deserve to be put to death when that happens.
Headhunter004 1 year ago
if somebody in my family died as a result of murder, about the only thing LIKE the death penalty that I think could ease my pain would be.....
killing the guy myself, in the most inhumane, disgusting manner you can imagine, I would have to actually sit down, and think for a week on how to kill somebody in such a way......the most nasty murder in the history of crime, period.
thats the only way I think "capitol punishment" could help.
lol
other than that, I dont think the D.P. would help
Mecca316 1 year ago
Life in prison is an alternative to the death penalty.
jasonrtaylor 1 year ago
Capital punishment makes the government a murderer too!
mikeyrobins022585 1 year ago
@mikeyrobins022585
No, it is protecting the pubic from scum.
ma7799 1 year ago
@ma7799 @ma7799
I am no bleading heart for the people that commit these crimes. I think the victims are the ones that deserve the pitty. However, if you truely want to punish these scum than I truely believe life in prison is the answer and is an alternative to the death penalty. Why because there have been people wrongfully put to death just because they have had bad representation. Also, there are countries that function fine without a death penalty. I am a Texan republican not a liberal.
jasonrtaylor 1 year ago
@jasonrtaylor
You sound like a bleeding heart to me. Life imprisonment is a joe, but if you feel that is adequate "punishment" that is your opinion. There is no proof of an innocent person being put to death in this country, regardless of all the rumors the abolitionist crowd spreads.
ma7799 1 year ago
Most anti death penalty, or supposedly anti death penalty, people will draw the line somewhere and say there are people, or throughout history have been people, who deserve/d the death penalty.
theporksicle 1 year ago
The biggest anomaly of the dp (and btw I'm pro-dp) is that, in the US anyway, (I don't think anywhere else with the DP provides reliable statistics on its use) less than 1% of convicted murderers receive the death penalty. Many receive life sentences or even ordinary prison sentences and are free in a few years.
In the UK our sentencing structure for murderers is in a way better, every murderer gets life and then within that the judge sets a tariff (e.g. 15 years).
theporksicle 1 year ago
Let me make my case against the death penalty. The innocence project has proved that there are innocent people that are put to death wrongfully accused. Two if you put a person in jail for life you make him think about his crime for the rest of his life and pay for that crime. Is the death penalty cheaper? I think it isn't if you look at figures. Also, the victims need justice and putting a man behind bars for life is just that.
jasonrtaylor 1 year ago
@jasonrtaylor
The "INNOCENCE" PROJECT has no proof of anything, other than they are trying to prove capital offenders "innocent" for the sake of it. Case is point- in Texas, there was a scumbag who was executed for shooting a store clerk right between the eyes. The "INNOCENCE PROJECT" was going to prove him "innocent" by using a hair found at the crime scene. BTW, he was caught on videotape doing it, and he already had two previous murder convictions.
ma7799 1 year ago
Also, if the price for murdering someone should be that they receive the death penalty, then doesn't it logically follow that the price for these crooked ass corrupt prosecutors, judges, and jurors we have lurking in our court system should be that they receive death as well for sending innocent people to the death chamber (and on purpose)? Oh wait, no death penalty for corrupt prosecutors, you say? Then obviously, there should be no death penalty for citizens, either, because that's not fair.
Headhunter004 1 year ago
Most of the World has abolished the Death Penalty, is it not time for the Worlds leading Democracy to follow?.
ProsperityGlobal 1 year ago
F*ck THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!!!!!
mikeyrobins022585 1 year ago
Try thinking about the victims mother, father, brother, sister, or CHILDREN!
reno142 1 year ago 9
@reno142
FYI, the death penalty only makes it WORSE for murder victims families, not better; their families have to sit through YEARS of appeals and have to constantly work with the legal system for 15-20 years or longer, many families have even said outright that the drawn out death penalty process was painful for them. The death penalty also takes money and resources away that could be used to give counseling or other, more important things besides childish little revenge fantasies.
Headhunter004 1 year ago
@Headhunter004
Dead scumbags don;t cost anything at all.
ma7799 1 year ago
@reno142 Try thinking of the "monster's" mother, father, brother sister, or CHILDREN :-\
obnoxiousoboe 1 year ago
@reno142 DUDE. I had a friend who was kidnapped and raped, her family was murdered (Shasta Groene, look her up if you don't believe me. I live in Ceour d'Alene.) and they gave the guy death penalty and Iiiiii still am totally against it.
DeGrAsSiFrEaK222 1 year ago
@reno142 I hope you are referring to the victim of a criminal who committed the violent crime and are NOT referring to the criminal as a "victim". Bottom line is, you make a choice to unleash life threatening violence on an innocent, you forfeit your right to your own life. Does it cost more money to execute violent criminals than it does to house and feed them for the rest of their lives? I'd like to see the statistics on that.
nightwraith666 1 year ago
@reno142 one could say the same about the defendant.
huffnat 1 year ago
Thank you for beeing normal human beeings - even if you are Americans!
dompap9 1 year ago
The death penalty is essentially vigilantism. Each Death Row Inmate can be held not knowing what will happen to them for up to 25 years. Sound like a hostage holding to you?
sadfacekyle 1 year ago
You are either in a no-death state, or outside the States.
traceyrmj2 1 year ago
It would certainly raise the standing the USA in the World if the Death Penalty was abolished.
ProsperityGlobal 2 years ago
@ProsperityGlobal Raise the standing of the US in the world? Who gives a crap what the rest of the world thinks of the US cause I for one dont give a crap if say Germany hates me because I have murders and rapists put to death. The US is full of pansies cause of people like you who are too girly to actually punish those who commit capital crimes.
sgl49ers02 1 year ago
@sgl49ers02 people like me?, Im not American.
"An eye for and eye will leave everyone blind"
ProsperityGlobal 1 year ago
@ProsperityGlobal Well if your not American or not in America just shut the hell up then. If who we put to death is none of your bus then just leave it that way. And no its not time for us to follow, I believe that if you murdered someone, or raped someone, or did any of those things to a child and a jurry of your peers convicts you of such crimes then i believe you need to meet your making plain and simple and dont give a flying F#@$ the rest of the world thinks about it.
sgl49ers02 1 year ago
@sgl49ers02 The Death Penalty does not seem to act as much as a deterent, the United States has much higher murder rate than an abolitionist country such as Canada, The UK or Australia.
ProsperityGlobal 1 year ago
@ProsperityGlobal
Can you name a criminal that even committed another crime after they were executed?
ma7799 1 year ago
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@ProsperityGlobal
Can you name a perfect death penalty system?
jasonrtaylor 1 year ago
@ProsperityGlobal
Don;t be jealous just because the US can stand up for itself and some other countries cannot.
ma7799 1 year ago
I know this information is going to make most of these people more in favor of the death penalty, but lethal injection is actually about the most painful way to die out there. More than half of the time, the drugs that make you unconcious wear off long before the 15 minutes it takes to die, so you suffocate to death and your heart is stopped while you're fully concious.
frodosauce 2 years ago
There are no reasons to abolish the death penalty. I say expand its use. Rid us of swine, drug dealers, robbers, gang bangers. Kill them all.
hidethisnine 2 years ago
Maybe you should look a bit further than that. What did swine, drug dealers, robbers, gang bangers do to you??? And also, if there were no more of those people then the world would all be communism. And dont give me crap bout they killin people and more people are joining them. Every day 100,000 more people are born then dead. So, they actually equal out the balance.
Damon130 2 years ago
You need treatment.
hidethisnine 2 years ago
If I need treatment, then you need to be locked up in a psycho facility.
Damon130 2 years ago
@hidethisnine Yes, there are. 1) It is applied unfairly to racial minorities and the poor (you're treated MUCH better if rich and guilty than if poor and innocent in other words) 2) it is VERY expensive and drains funding from other essentials. 3) It doesn't deter crime; murder rates are actually HIGHER in DP states 4) It has and will inevitably lead to the execution of INNOCENT people (HELLO!) and when THAT happens, the PROSECUTORS aren't in danger of being hung or put to death, now are they?
Headhunter004 1 year ago
@Headhunter004 It is not applied unfairly you moron, Poor and minorities commit these crimes more often than other demographics you rediculously uninformed liberal.
reno142 1 year ago
@reno142 It's not that rich people are sentenced less than the poor, it's that rich people are never, EVER sentenced to death. U.S. Supreme Court justice Ruth Bader Ginsburgh even said, IN HER OWN WORDS: "People who are well represented at trial do not get the death penalty ... I have yet to see a death case among the dozens coming to the Supreme Court on eve-of- execution stay applications in which the defendant was well represented at trial." It's YOU who is uneducated, right wing fucktards...
Headhunter004 1 year ago
@Headhunter004 So lets take the state of Tx for example, your gonna tell me that the murder rate in Tx than say in Ca? Cause I will tell youu that you are wrong if thats the case. I promise you that there are a few things that deter crime, 1 is the person who the crime being commited against armed, and 2 will i die for this if i do it? The state of Texas kills more people a yr than the rest of the US combined and has a fairly low murder rate
sgl49ers02 1 year ago
@sgl49ers02 FYI Texas has a murder rate above the national average DESPITE having the most executions. Not only that, but Texas has a SIGNIFICANTLY higher murder rate than states like Colorado, Montana, New Hampshire, Wyoming, Conneticut, etc which all use the DP very sparingly. Furthermore, states that use the death penalty have almost DOUBLE the murder rate of states that DON'T use the DP, not to mention that the murder rate was MUCH higher during the 1930s when we were executing like crazy.
Headhunter004 1 year ago
@Headhunter004
It doesn't matter. You are comparing apples and oranges. There are countless factors that contribute to crime rates; population density, (which is very low for ALL the states you listed), race and hate crimes, weather, number of urban areas, ect. All that matters is that a dead scumbag cannot harm anyone.
ma7799 1 year ago
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@Headhunter004
"1) It is applied unfairly to racial minorities and the poor"
That is where most of the crime is.
"2) it is VERY expensive and drains funding from other essentials. "
That is due to delaying tactics to hold off the execution.
"3) It doesn't deter crime; murder rates are actually HIGHER in DP states"
Dead scumbags are harmless
"4) It has and will inevitably lead to the execution of INNOCENT people"
Don't convict innocent people.
ma7799 1 year ago
Yo Bro, Let me guess, your black and you know someone on Death Row?
Sounds like you don't want him to pay for the crime he did. When it should be an "eye for an eye" He should have thought about it before he did it. It should be on Live TV maybe then people would think twice before they do something stupid.
pissneye 2 years ago
Do you know how stupid you sound?
J0EuK556 2 years ago
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arenasification 2 years ago
Jan 7 2010 three scheduled executions..
HOUSEOFFOURDOORS 2 years ago
Of the top ten countries with the highest murder rates, all but one have abolished the death penalty.
Who cares if it's a lottery, as a taxpayer I wouldn't care about murderers who've raped the quantitive lives of millions.
With a seperation of Church and State, religion is irrelevant.
Importantly, it doesn't matter what other countries do and what company you keep, it's about doing what the people in Your country want, not making it looking better statistically.
Apachecatdog 2 years ago
Innocent executions seem to be more of a fault of the court system.
communistrecords 2 years ago
Yea, and with abolishing the death penalty, we can free those that are falsy accused, but you can't reverse death if you execute a person that was found not guilty.
Aluenvey 2 years ago 14
But what about those who were not falsely accused.
communistrecords 2 years ago
What about them? Are you implying those that are not falsly accused matter more?
Aluenvey 2 years ago 2
I'd say they matter as much as those falsly accused.
communistrecords 2 years ago
@Aluenvey It is a shame that people are falsly accused yes, however if the evidence points to them and they are convicted by a jurry of their peers beyond a resonable doubt for a capital crime then put em to death. Sounds harsh, but it is what it is and I believe 100% in the death penalty. I live in the great state of Tx and am proud of the fact that we put more people to death each month then the rest of the US does a year combined.
sgl49ers02 1 year ago
@sgl49ers02
You people in Texas know how to stand up for yourselves!
ma7799 1 year ago
Texas executed Jose Medellin, a fuck that was convicted but thought he should get away because he was an ILLEGAL ALIEN from Mexico. He brutally raped and killed 2 teenage girls. The World Courts put a stay on the execution but Texas carried it out anyway.
TEXAS IS THE SHIT.
jamesliarman 2 years ago