Perhaps before analysing the defences you should ask why the attacker is using pure karate oi-tsuki/gyaku-tsuki attacks? I don't believe that karate was designed to defend against other karateka. So why practice responses to karate-based attacks?
@bertthepickle A tennis player answers the "attacks" of another tennis player by techniques of tennis player! Also for a judoka, he answers in front of techniques of judo. In fencing it is the same thing! In any disciplines it bases, codes, techniques to be respected and to be used.
@kerspernyves with respect, you cannot compare karate to judo or tennis or fencing. All three of those are sports whereas karate is a martial art. Yes, fencing and judo have roots in real fighting but have been sports and nothing else for a long time. Are you saying that karate is a sport only? Or that you teach karate as a sport only?
When new students come to the dojo asking to learn self defence do you send them away because you teach sport karate and not real karate?
@bertthepickle Un tennisman répond aux "attaques" d'un autre tennisman par des techniques de tennisman ! De même pour un judoka, il répond face à des techniques de judo. En escrime c'est la même chose ! Dans toutes disciplines il y des bases, des codes, des techniques à respecter et à utiliser.
What interest would there be to practise a martial art (which the efficiency is not to be any more proved) if we had to adopt the behavior of an aggressor of low floors? In that case made by the free fight but it will never be a martial art with all its dimensions (history etc.) We are not there to become super-heroes.
@kerspernyves I never suggested that the defender respond with street thug moves just that the attacker should not be using karate techniques. Kata is a distillation of the fighting styles and methods of a number of great fighters. Therefore bunkai is the application of those fighters' techniques in response to being attacked in a realistic manner. It's not karate vs karate.
@kerspernyves Further the 'history' and traditions you refer to are less than 100 years old as regards japanese style karate. The gi, the belt, the marching up and down in lines are all inventions added to karate when it was taken to Japan in the 1920s. Karate's history is MUCH older than that and I prefer to preserve the older history and traditions and not the modern version of karate adapted to teach children and young men as a fitness exercise.
@kerspernyves can you honestly say that Itosu intended anyone to explain his kata movements like this? When he invented this kata, karate was still very much a martial art, a system of self defence. You cannot include an explanation that shows attacks using karate methods. It cannot be in any way a good explanation of what that move means. We can debate what it does mean but it's definitely not this.
@kerspernyves Remember Itosu's 10 precepts. The very first of which is "Karate practice should be used as a means of self-defense and in order to protect one's parents and loved ones."
Great ideas guys. All of this seems very practical. Don't listen to the haters. I agree that bunkai can be open to personal interpretation. What I like about these techniques is that they are KARATE techniques. I've seen some "shotokan" bunkai on here where guys are doing all kinds of complex aikido moves, and rolling on the floor like a bjj match. Those were way off the mark, but this is good. Thanks for sharing.
@tackleberry0682 No its pretty bad actually... Heian Gogan's bunkai is much more basic, practical and more effective than most of the rubbish shown here. This is over doing it and in the process getting it all wrong!~
@jadewillow I agree that shotokan is basic. Simple is always best. I definitely see what you are trying to say, but I actually thought that this bunkai was very basic and simple. Remember, that there can be more than one application to each kata technique. Although The the movements should be practiced with absolute 100% precision, and there is only one way to do them, bunkai can be more flexible. But again, I agree that it should be simple, because that's what Shotokan is... Osu.
Nice demonstration! Appreciated very much, will help very much with my learning.By the way, what is the name of the song?
MarcosWylde 1 month ago
Perhaps before analysing the defences you should ask why the attacker is using pure karate oi-tsuki/gyaku-tsuki attacks? I don't believe that karate was designed to defend against other karateka. So why practice responses to karate-based attacks?
bertthepickle 1 year ago
@bertthepickle A tennis player answers the "attacks" of another tennis player by techniques of tennis player! Also for a judoka, he answers in front of techniques of judo. In fencing it is the same thing! In any disciplines it bases, codes, techniques to be respected and to be used.
kerspernyves 1 year ago
@kerspernyves with respect, you cannot compare karate to judo or tennis or fencing. All three of those are sports whereas karate is a martial art. Yes, fencing and judo have roots in real fighting but have been sports and nothing else for a long time. Are you saying that karate is a sport only? Or that you teach karate as a sport only?
When new students come to the dojo asking to learn self defence do you send them away because you teach sport karate and not real karate?
bertthepickle 1 year ago
@bertthepickle Un tennisman répond aux "attaques" d'un autre tennisman par des techniques de tennisman ! De même pour un judoka, il répond face à des techniques de judo. En escrime c'est la même chose ! Dans toutes disciplines il y des bases, des codes, des techniques à respecter et à utiliser.
kerspernyves 1 year ago
What interest would there be to practise a martial art (which the efficiency is not to be any more proved) if we had to adopt the behavior of an aggressor of low floors? In that case made by the free fight but it will never be a martial art with all its dimensions (history etc.) We are not there to become super-heroes.
kerspernyves 1 year ago
@kerspernyves I never suggested that the defender respond with street thug moves just that the attacker should not be using karate techniques. Kata is a distillation of the fighting styles and methods of a number of great fighters. Therefore bunkai is the application of those fighters' techniques in response to being attacked in a realistic manner. It's not karate vs karate.
bertthepickle 1 year ago
@kerspernyves Further the 'history' and traditions you refer to are less than 100 years old as regards japanese style karate. The gi, the belt, the marching up and down in lines are all inventions added to karate when it was taken to Japan in the 1920s. Karate's history is MUCH older than that and I prefer to preserve the older history and traditions and not the modern version of karate adapted to teach children and young men as a fitness exercise.
bertthepickle 1 year ago
il s'agit d'un bunkai et donc d'une explication codifiée de kata. c'est une explication parmi des milliers !
kerspernyves 1 year ago
@kerspernyves can you honestly say that Itosu intended anyone to explain his kata movements like this? When he invented this kata, karate was still very much a martial art, a system of self defence. You cannot include an explanation that shows attacks using karate methods. It cannot be in any way a good explanation of what that move means. We can debate what it does mean but it's definitely not this.
bertthepickle 1 year ago
@kerspernyves Remember Itosu's 10 precepts. The very first of which is "Karate practice should be used as a means of self-defense and in order to protect one's parents and loved ones."
bertthepickle 1 year ago
Pinan Heian Godan - Double Arm, Falling X, Rising X, Punch - Godan's Full Circle Take down you were never taught! Find it first, here!
"Heian Godan Bunkai Full Circle Takedown you were never taught!" - TKDCohnBunkai@yahoo.com
TKDCohnBunkai 1 year ago
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TKDCohnBunkai 1 year ago
Great ideas guys. All of this seems very practical. Don't listen to the haters. I agree that bunkai can be open to personal interpretation. What I like about these techniques is that they are KARATE techniques. I've seen some "shotokan" bunkai on here where guys are doing all kinds of complex aikido moves, and rolling on the floor like a bjj match. Those were way off the mark, but this is good. Thanks for sharing.
njtr 1 year ago
it is worth seeing for bunkai of HG
ytkarpdm 1 year ago
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jadewillow 1 year ago
one of the best bunkai-vids for heian godan. it's good to see the different possibilities for the same techniques. greets from germany!
tackleberry0682 2 years ago
@tackleberry0682 No its pretty bad actually... Heian Gogan's bunkai is much more basic, practical and more effective than most of the rubbish shown here. This is over doing it and in the process getting it all wrong!~
jadewillow 1 year ago
@jadewillow where's your vid then show us what you mean
rdp2491 1 year ago
@jadewillow I agree that shotokan is basic. Simple is always best. I definitely see what you are trying to say, but I actually thought that this bunkai was very basic and simple. Remember, that there can be more than one application to each kata technique. Although The the movements should be practiced with absolute 100% precision, and there is only one way to do them, bunkai can be more flexible. But again, I agree that it should be simple, because that's what Shotokan is... Osu.
njtr 1 year ago