At the time I didn't want to accept that Harbinger would've won the Arc (I backed Workforce for Guineas, Derby and Arc ante-post) cause I was biased but the way the Arc is run and with his finishing kick and strong travelling that year, he would've probably ran out a very comfortable winner.
This was my wedding day i put a £1 lucky fifteen on this day on the way to the ceremony.I did'nt find out till the next day that harbinger a horse i had supported till this point this season had beaten my for £2000 four winners.8/1 4/1 10/1 and workforce 4/11.Remarkeble performance none the less and a had a good day anyway.
does anyone else think that this run was extremely out of the blue because harbinger had never shown anything like that kind of performance on a race course. He then was quickly retired and sold for ahuge profit i dont wana say foulplay but i think its just suspicious. i no horses improve but iv never seen a horse improve so much so late in life. just seems a bit suspicious thats all
I plan to visit all racecourses where this barbarism is happening and horsewhisper my solidarity in the ears of these brave, poor souls.
I will request these brave horses throw their riders, then stampede the racetrack officials into a pen and hold them to ransom until all racing is stopped in the UK.
Next, with a rumbling of hoofs and sprays of dust they will head to the docks and airports to spread out across the world and abolish this vile human entertainment
@sweetypie000 sorry but its called competition horses like every animal are competetive with there own kind. dont bother writing anything if ur gonna cum out with that hippy nonsense. no one loves horses more than owners , jockeys, trainers and real racing fans. if u think that a horse wud rather live in the wild than be loved and treated better than most humans in this world are then ur a fool so stop embarrassing urself.
@sweetypie000 : horses love to run , if they were set free animal control would take them in and give them no homes so they would be put down you're fool think about it plus they are domesticated animals wouldnt get along in the world they would all end up dying and thoroughbreds have many health problems , why dont you go protest about animals been kept in cages or hit to perfom horses are bred to do that without horse racing we would have alot worse horse wastage problem
@harrypotterfreak65 im glad im not the only one who thinks that sweetypie is a fool who knows nothing, just blurting out nonsense without even knowing the facts. animal cruelty yeah rite.
@TheDarleyarabian : haha yeah i'm glad as well everyone i know calls it animal cruetly without knowing anything about the sport . if horses didnt love to race we wouldnt have superstars like frankel & so you think just to name two :)
They have removed the race from You Tube and also on BBC rerun edited the film. People ought to be made to see what can happen to a horse, don't sanitize it.Harbinger was an amazing racehorse and it was wonderful to see such a win. Workforce clearly does not like Ascot at all. He threw away the race yesterday. As Willie Carson said if he had run straight he would have won. As for Rewilding -terrible bad luck but shit happens every day, things that you cannot legislate or anticipate.
why are you even on this video if your against the sport, the thoroughbred horse would die out if it wasnt for this sport, the amount of precautions race courses take these days to try and prevent things from happening is unreal, like a qualified vet said after the race Rewilding could have done that running around a field at home, so go away if you dont like the sport
@joemynes Ah, So thoroughbred horses only exist as a breed because man the grerat decides it's future and that it is worthy to race for cash ? What kind of cu*t are you ? You, like most humans, think these creatures that have existed for millions of years are your property to do as you please and wipe out if you want.
The fact is that horse did not break its leg running around (unpressurised) in a field but was forced over an arduous coarse by humans with no morals or care.
No they dont only exist because of horse racing but that is central to the breeding, either that or leave them all to stand in a fucking field all day, are you just against horse racing or are you against everything in which horses are used? and secondly why are you even on this video to spout your boring tree hugging shit, i wouldnt turn up to one of your fucking protests so go away you clown, the fact is that injury to re wilding could have happened anytime like John Gosden said
@joemynes You do very much sound as if every creature on the planet has a soul purpose to entertain ppl like yourself ! You sure have a high & mightly opinion of mans standing in the world !
What IS a field ? do you see a 'field' as an encatchment surrounded by barbed wire for man to covet creatures ? this is where you fail.
This is about HORSES. For 'tree hugging shit' please follow my other video comments contributions :)
You appear angry and your soul blackened, do you eat meat ?
No not everything, you must know these horses are treated better than a huge majority of humans in the world, fed,groomed,trained and sheltered every day, and by 'field' i mean just a regular stable/farm where horses wouldnt be treated anywhere near the way they are because of racing, and yes it's about horses, and it's people like you that are too defensive when it comes too a small perecentage of unanticipated accidents e.g. rewilding, it happens, no one enjoys seeing it!
@sweetypie000 haha get off my high chair, you do talk some rubbish, and the queen explanation you gave means absolutely nothing, hypothetically speaking if the horses had the choice of being a racehorse or living a normal life i know which one they would choose, the racecourse enjoys the money and the punter enjoys the gamble AND the horse enjoys the highest standard of living than basically any other animal, your fighting a losing battle here pal because the sport is only getting bigger...
@joemynes it's a pity a horse dosen't have the option of living a normal life. Besides, could you imagine the cost of new shoes for all it's offspring ?
"the racecourse enjoys the money and the punter enjoys the gamble" you said it !
"the horse enjoys the highest standard of living" you mean force feeding it power-foods, exercising it to death ? no, that's no life. All a horse wants in it's life is to have it's hooves trimmed occasionally and to break wind in a field, left alone munching grass
@joemynes You know, I do support horse racing. But Look; Rewilding happened and now Kensei (multiple graded stakes winner) broke a cannon bone during a workout and was euthanized yesterday. Just few days back, two horses got electrocuted and died in England.. Not so rare.
There are many others that die regularly due to shoddy care by the "horsemen and agencies".. It's not like they are using the track payouts for actual welfare of horses. It is just a business and horses are inventory.
@naridon : horses are very fragile animals its very easy for that to happen , just like anyother animal , i love horses and when i grow up i'm going to train race horses i'd look afher them 110% do what is best for their welfare
@sweetypie000 : do you know anything about looking afher horses ? dude horse can not be a barb wired fence and it isnt for entertain i love seeing champions being made and people enterting people everyday in sports such as soccer , basketball those people hurt themselves every day and broke bones
@sweetypie000 : a thoroughbred existed for millons of years ? what you're the only twat here , a thoroughbred is bred from arabians and couple other horses , you're fool didnt think you were this stupid
First and foremost, Harbinger was just much the best horse in this race by a street. That said, what in this race about the way Workforce handled the surface at Ascot was so appealing that anyone believes he'll be able to win the King George in 2011? I think Workforce is a great horse at 12f. But I just don't believe Ascot is where he'll be seen at his best. Even if it rains prior to the King George? I just don't think he'll get the kind of cut he needs. SNA or Rewilding win's the King George.
On that form it has to be said that Frankle, Canford Cliffs and whoever the other best milers areound are would have a huge battle on their hands with this fella. Maybe it's not the best field in the world but you had the English and Irish Derby winners in their and look how far back they are when Harbinger crosses the line. You have to take your hat of to that performance. Excellent
@4743stephenf cape blanco rubbish? i hope u mean in this race? or else u not got a clue as of what u talkin about, cape blanco won the man O war stakes at belmont easy last nite beating gio ponti.
@4743stephenf the only rubbish here is your comment. He ran the fastest EVER King George and won by panels! What he beat is completely irrelevant. It's like saying Secretariat "didn't beat much" in the Belmont.
Outstanding performance by Harbinger. The way he powers away in the straight was magnificant. Would of won the Arc no doubt in my mind. This horse was on another level to any other horse racing in europe in 2010.
@SoulSurvivor79 i agree.Who cares about other years and horses and all that jazz,this was 2010,it doesnt matter what it beat,it WAS the best horse in 2010 and would of won the ARC.
What a fantastic horse he was. Its not as though he is racing a field of dromedarys, but he made them look like they were. 2m 26.78 at Ascot is phenomenal. It is a very tough mile and a half.
Timeform must be on drugs. Workforce who Ryan Moore chose over Harbinger was all wrong. Cape Blanco doesn't truly stay and I'd trust Delboy before I'd trust Youmzain.Time and time again horses are overrated by Timeform because they overrated other horses they beat. Harbinger was the Crand Cruz of the flat and looked brilliant beating nothing but as Big Tim says better than Mill Reef comes straight out of a comic book
Also after this race Cape Blanco (who didn't stay) was rated 115, He was later put upto 119. Winning by 11L is rated 16lbs (1L = 1.5lbs over 12 furlongs) So even if you decide to rate Harbinger on the 119 rating that gives him a rating of 135, Remember against a horse that doesn't stay. There is no doubt it's a good performance but quite where they get his rating (140) from i've no idea.
@somersetfan1 The 12lbs is weight for age, Horses are not fully matured until they reach the age of 4, So in championship races a 4yo carries more weight than a 3yo, Later in the year as a 3yo matures the weight difference gets reduced, (7lbs by the Arc')
Harbinger (4yo) didn't do anything what every other 4yo has to do. Also lets not forget when harbinger was a 3yo exactly 12 months earlier he was only rated 96. Thats how much a horse can mature between 3-4.
@Katabatic77 It was a good performance but dont getb caried away, He beat Workforce fair and square. Workforce (128 rated) CLEARLY ran way below form, He struggled to get past his pacemaker (Confront rated 111) Confront was even eased down when he was in last place.
As for Cape Blanco he clearly doesn't get 12 furlongs, His only career win is the Irish Derby, Where he beat Jan Vermeer 2L, The two times Workforce ran against Jan Vermeer he beat him 11.5L and 12L. Clearly Workforce ran badly.
We will never truly know the quality of Harbinger as he was prematurely retired. This race was fantastic though, great to see such a run. He set the course record this day. Nothing better than a wonderful thoroughbred galloping for fun and stretching his field. Also good he was owned by Highclere and not the mob from Eire or the super rich prince.
Anyone that saw the way Harbinger demolished a quality Hardwicke Stakes field the way he did had to suspect that the horse loved the ground at Royal-Ascot, and that it was highly possible that he would duplicate that same kind of run in the King George. But what was so impressive was the way Harbinger destroyed the King George field by an even wider margin of victory than he demolished the Hardwicke Stakes field. Still one of the singularly impressive run's I've seen in many, many years!! JMO.
doesnt matter if it was a truly run race. any horse that can win a group 1 by 11l and beat the best around aswell is a very good horse. Maybe if there was a big field and strong pace then it could have been closer but this was one hell of a performance and one hell of a horse
This was a superb performance but in my opinion a falsely run race because of a small field:
Worforce needs a hot pace to settle in behind and he was tracking the leader the whole way round- he had nothing left at the end! Cape Blanco will gallop from start to finish so it suited him no problem.
Harbinger was one of two horses in the race who have turn of foot (along with Youmzain) and he just quickened clear.
We needed to see him in the Arc to truly judge him.
the only issue with this is that sea the stars should of been running (that would of been a truely great race), only a shame racing doesn't see the great horses train on due to money grabbing owners
I have no doubt that if Harbinger had made it to the Arc De Triomphe that he was certainly a good enough horse to have won the race. But I truly believe many people think Harbinger would've exploded away from the Arc field at Longchamp the same way he did the King George field at Ascot. That would not have happened. Because as I said prior, Harbinger was a course specialist at Ascot. If he had been in the Arc? He would've had a very close race on his hand's at Longchamp, IMO.
Harbinger was really a brilliant colt, and his King George victory turned out to be the crowning jewel of a career cut short. That said, you need only look at Harbinger's other victories at Chester, Newbury, and Goodwood to know that Harbinger was absolutely an course specialist at Ascot. Only in the Hardwicke Stakes and the King George did Harbinger explode away from his field's. Just like Famous Name is at his best at Leopardstown. The same can be said of Harbinger at Royal-Ascot, IMO.
His performance on the day was unbelievable....they can'y all have ran wel below form. Timeform has bottled it. After an initial rating of 143 (before Cape Blancos Irish Chanpion win and Workforce's Arc win) he wa reassessed at 140. By the way, Dancing Brave and Sea The Stars were more versatile but in the day........?????
to win a group 1 by 10 lengths in a course record is special. OR at 140 is fair enough. On this day, one of the best performances I've seen since Dancing Brave.
The horse ran once in group 1 company and beat horses who missfired on the day.Decent horses not just great horses can break track records.Pace of race and firm ground being the given.
The merit of the run is there for all to see and in no way disregarded.However the rating achieved is the bone of contention.This win was not backed up(due to injury) a
a lot of comments on here disregarding this performance, all that can be said was workforce won a derby and an arc, we were robbed not seeing this lad take his chance in the arc... which you must imagine he would of won fairly comfortably and the arguements about his rating would not be an issue..
just enjoy the fact it was a great performance..course record too
Only if he could maintain some health and consistency. Then, he may have been able to put him in the class of some of the greats, but all he has in the books is one eye popping freaky run.
Es emocionante ver esta carrera en la que Herbinger bate por mas de 10 cuerpos y me atreveria a decir que sin ser exigido.¡Tanta es la superioridad! a caballos como Workforce y Cape Blanco),"Derby winers".Sin contar a Youmzain.
Luego se lesiono tontamente en un entrenamiento y nunca se sabra su verdadero techo.
Solo por esto.¡¡¡Mejor caballo del mundo de 2.010.!!!
Compararlo con Ribot,Brigadier Gerard,Mill Reef,o cualquier otro no tiene sentido.
I've been following the horses for 30 years and that's the best performance I've seen. The official rating was too low. It would only make sense if you assume that Cape Blanco, Youmzain and Workforce ALL ran 10lb below their best.
For a horse to only be considered good enough by his trainer to run in his first race(this race)in group 1 company it make you wonder what muppets gave such a crazy high rating!!
The problem i have with this race is the official rating achieved by Harbinger at the years end being only 1ib shy of Sea The Stars.Workforce ran no race,and Cape Blanco's record shows him a poor traveller out of Ireland.
GBeret83 i agree with a lot of that but fast ground was not for me a reason for Workforce dissapointing in this race.He one must remember broke the track record at Epsom in the Derby.
Workforce just clearly didn't adapt to the fast surface at Ascot. While Harbinger thrived over the surface the Ascot. The two horses could've met at Ascot 100 times, and Harbinger would've beaten Workforce at Ascot every time, IMO. Harbinger thrived at Ascot much like Khalid Abdullah's colt, Famous Name, thrives at Leopardstown. But Workforce did redeem himself for this loss by winning the Arc De Triomphe. I still wish Stoute had raced him in the B.C.Turf at Churchill Downs.
Harbinger was a fantastic colt. Without question. But I've always thought he was a bit of a course specialist when it came to racing at Ascot. This is the only racetrack that Harbinger ever really dominated entire field's like he did in the 2010 Hardwicke Stakes and the 2010 King George. I'm not saying that Harbinger wasn't talented enough to have beaten this field anyway. But on a different track, maybe Newmarket, Newbury, or York, the margin of victory in this race would've been far less. IMO.
Great to watch again. Clear to see that Workforce didn't run to it's best form not that I think it would have changed the outcome. Workforce is a good few pounds better than cape blanco though.
goosebumps everytime i c it. defo my high pont of da flat season! my low point.............him avin 2 retire prematurely thru injury =( he wud av smashed da arc, n tbh i cant realy c wot stoute was tryin 2 achieve putin im inda juddmonte. jus a pointless exercise if u ask me. n so it turned out 2 b................
Im from australia so i hadn't seen much of Confront racing , would someone be able to let me know what his usual racing pattern was ? that was the strangest ride ive ever seen in my life , he was never a chance and the hot pace he set basically set the race up for Harbinger.
Not taking anything away from Harbinger , what an explosive win against such a quality field !
Im from australia so i hadn't seen much of Confront racing , would someone be able to let me know what his usual racing pattern was ? that was the strangest ride ive ever seen in my life , he was never a chance and the hot pace he set basically set the race up for Harbinger.
Not taking anything away from Harbinger , what an explosive win against such a quality field !
A class horse that absolutely destroyed a class field. Nobody's as explosive at Ascot as Harbinger has proven to be. Such a shame his injury forced him into retirement before he got his shot at the Arc De Triomphe. Because I, for one, certainly believe that Harbinger would have been a huge force to reckon with at Longchamp. JMO.
@GBeret83 Im from australia so i hadn't seen much of Confront racing , would you be able to let me know what his usual racing pattern was ? that was the strangest ride ive ever seen in my life , he was never a chance and the hot pace he set basically set the race up for Harbinger.
Not taking anything away from Harbinger , what an explosive win against such a quality field !
I think Confront deserves quite a lot of credit for the job he did as pacemaker in this race. He set a really strong gallop. I'm quite certain, intended to give Workforce a good tow into the race. But he really went on strongly, and made Cape Blanco and Workforce really work to catch him, and go on by him. He just didn't fold up. But as it worked out, Confront ended up giving Harbinger a great tow instead of Workforce.
@SIDESLAM Yep I seen him in real life at Longchamp, TV pictures do not do him justice! Workforce is one of the most impresive looking horses I seen on the whole Longchamp Card he looks a real picture. To many people where so quick to right him off after the King George! How many horses in history have won the Derby then go on to win the Arc? What a fantastic horse he really is. The derby was a hard race despite what people say. He needed time to recover hence his KG defeat. He had an off day!
if you needed further evidence to support just how good this horse was, you got it last week when cape blanco dominated the irish champion field and i believe duncan won the prix foy on sunday, again franking harbingers form.
such a shame he wont race again, it really is.
this was one of the best mile n a half performances of the last 20 years.
the i thing i will stand by, at the time of the kg,
workforce form wasnt good enough to win. the derby had been let down several times and he was up against the only horse whod ever beaten him cape blanco, it was no surprise it didnt win. harbinger had the form in the book over cd, enhanced by barshiba, st frontiers & redwood. by arc time, rewilding had won the voltiguer, boosting epsom form a bit on a line through rewilding>planteur>behkabad,workforce was the best 3yo in the race on derby form
@HereWeGoAgain595 Agree with you Harbinger was a class of his own in the KG. Its just a shame Workforce and Cape Blanco both ran below there own levels by at least 11lb that day, it is a shame they didnt run there races and give Harbinger a real test. I dont think either of them would of beaten Harbinger even if they did especially at Ascot which was Harbingers territory, he owned Ascot every time he ran there.
he was sold to japanese 'Shadai firm' where Sunday Silence spent rest of his life after shipment from America. Hopefully, he doesn't become the one like Lammtarra.
Very impressive but he hardly beat a vintage crop as for timeform rating him superior to Dancing Brave, Shergar, Sea the Star and Mill Reef. My arse he was!!!!
@bigttim1 what do you mean not a vintage crop? stuffed workforce the arc winner, cape blanco countless places in major races, youmzain same story. These weren't bad horses
@bigttim1 The other horses you mention showed their ability on numerous occasions and Harbinger was a one hit wonder. BUT, sometimes you have to believe the evidence of your own eyes and the clock. On this day Harbinger would have given all of them a race and maybe a beating, but maybe only on this day. Though personally I like to think The Brave would have taken care of him when they were both at their best.
I'm nearly 50 yrs. old now. I'm from America. But I've followed European racing just as closely as American racing since back in the early 80's. Around the time of the great Shergar. I also followed Euro racing through Dancing Brave's stretch. But this, without question, IMO, is by far the most impressive King George win I've seen in my lifetime. Especially the way he destroyed an Epsom Derby winner who had set a track record. An Irish Derby winner. Hong Kong Vase winner. And Arc 2nd place. 3X.
@GBeret83 Hey my Grandfather said exactly the same as you. And hes been watching racing for like over 63 years or more sinse he was a small boy.
The first thing he said after the race was we may not ever see another winner of the King George like that again. And my Grandad knows an awful lot about racing!
Such a terrible tragedy that befell Harbinger. Forcing him into retirement. So with Harbinger now retired. Would one say that Fame and Glory is now the top older turf colt in Europe now?
I cannot believe we are not going to see this horse again.It leaves a massive "what if" feeling.I was really looking forward to the International where he'd have taken on RVW and the two Abdullah horses over a trip short of his ideal, really intriguing race.And then there would have been the Arc.There's a question over Fame & Glory after failing last yr,so this could be the yr for a British mare, Sariska or Dar Re Mi.Good as Snow Fairy is, still hard to see a 3yo filly going over to take an Arc.
...again even if that means putting him away for the season and coming back as a 4yo,something Stoute excels with.His physique alone is that of a horse who needs time,hence only running once as a 2yo.Abdullah is firstly a racing fan and a breeder second,so I think we will see him again.Regards.
....Regards the Derby and the form,it is all about performance.For arguments sake At First Sight is a G2,G3 animal.Isn't it still an amazing effort to give such a horse a 10-12 length start with 3.5 furlongs to go and beat him by 8? At Ascot he only beat Confront(the pacemaker) by 2L.Dear God,Stoute wouldn't have even ran him if he thought that was his capabilities.Simple fact is that he knows a lot more than us and so does R.Moore in choosing him over Harbinger.I sincerely hope we see him....
What on earth was I on about.W Hern trained Troy,meant E.Dunlop and his mare Ouija Board.He was quite critical of the longchamp hierarchy after she was 3rd in '04.
....potentially Harbinger there doesn't appear to be a STS around.He's now been put away till the race by Channon and 25/1 e/w is a cracking bet.All the same hope whatever you fancy runs to your expectations.
....all at e/w prices1.Sariska,will hopefully get the ground she adores(14/1).2.Dar Re Mi,forget Sandown and she continued her improvement after her excellent Arc run last year and will appreciate any cut(25/1).3.Snow Fairy,have a little bit of a soft spot and again ground/trip no problem,but Dunlop never seemed that keen on the race after Troy got beat in '79(20/1)4.Can't have this monkey out of the first five-Youmzain.Horses for courses is the most reliable thing in racing and apart from.....
...expect every entered horse to have at least one more run and the French to have their typical trials(Niel etc).At the current odds Harbinger is ridiculously short.Fame And Glory has looked good this season but he did the same last year with a summer break and running dissapointingly at Longchamp.Lope De Vega and Byword,I simply can't see getting the trip.St.Nicholas Abbey?God knows if he'll ever see a racecourse again.Cape Blanco-not good enough.Leaving to me 4 interesting animals.......
The Juddemonte Stakes at York on the 18th of this month will tell just how good Harbinger really is, I still feel Workforce has more to offer but RIP VAN WINKLE will beat Harbinger, Cape Blanco and Workforce, the very best horse that Ballydoyle has to offer is a cut above all of these
Stoute always held him in MASSIVE regard, without ever trying to preach too much about what he knew he had; that was always the feeling I got when I listened to him talk about Harbinger. He looks just like a typical Danehill progeny in every way, so expect him to go well with cut. All this talk of softened ground in the Arc being against him is codswallop IMO. If he doesnt win, the ground wont be the reason. DANEHILL forever!! :-)
a field of plodders lmfao to win the king george that easily is pure quality whatever else happens on this day and course its hard to see what could have beaten harbinger
Sensational performance. There is more to come from this horse. He can beat the clock and the opposition and you'll never see a fresher horse in a winners enclosure after any race let alone a 12f gr1 superb.
What a RACE! What would of happend if Workforce had of given his Derby running here? I think it would of been pretty close. Furlong per furlong on speed. Both champions! Not taking anything away from Harbingers absolutely fantastic run, but its a shame Workforce didnt give his true running. Maybe the Derby took a lot out of him, no excuses though.
Props to the Harbinger team for selecting Olivier Peslier to ride Harbinger in Ryan Moore's absence. I think Olivier Peslier was the perfect fit for this horse, and I think he proved so as such.
.....brilliant display and I hope he does do it again in the near future but isn't it reasonable to assume(Stoute and Moore are certain)that Workforce didn't run his race?Harbinger in my opinion has a little to do yet to be in STS vicinity and NO horse has,or will ever,be accurately judged on 1 impressive win.All the same he seems to be getting better with every 4yo race and why can't that continue.Be watching with real eagerness his subsequent races.
....I hope he isn't an Ascot specialist as was Swain and Doyen.He HAS to reproduce something similar in the future to be put in the class of STS and Dancing Brave which the handicapper has.Those 2 exceptional champions did it month in month out but I honestly can't see him beating the old monkey Youmzain 12 lengths in the Arc,can anyone?Look at the superb winners of recent KG's-Conduit,Duke Of Marmalade,Montjeu,Daylami and Pentire,they all got beat in the Arc.I am in no way knocking this....
@guitarlegend32, that's my biggest fear about Harbinger as well. He won a Group 3 at Newbury beating Manifest, and and a Group 3 at Chester beating Age of Aquarius. But not winning nearly as impressively as he won both the Hardwicke Stakes and the King George at Ascot. I do thin Harbinger is a quality colt. No doubt. But it does appear that Ascot is where he shows his best form. It's usually known as a fast track. Longchamp in the fall can be a different proposition all together.
Harbinger has just received a rating through the BHA of 135 for this performance using Cape Blanco(119)as the benchmark.This performance is out of the complete top drawer BUT is he within 1lb of STS?On this performance I would say probably.As I said though 'on this performance'.Let's see the variables of the future.Different track(STS ran at 7 seven different courses).Distance(STS 1m,1m 2f,1m4f).Going(STS won on soft as a 2yo,good and good to firm)Left handed,right handed,uphill downhill....
@guitarlegend32 Yes he has indeed recieved a rating of 135, I personaly think he ran to a mark or 137 in all honesty, so wouldnt surprise me to see him win again pretty cosily of that new mark. Given similar conditions track wise. He ran like an absolute train on that track and ground. Not sure what to make of Cape Blanco's run, if you take Harbinger out of the race, what mark would you give Cape Blanco?
@MrNativeDancer Cape Blanco was the benchmark that the handicapper used alloting 119.The handicapper(and this is the bone of contention)considered the 11 length winning margin worth 16lbs.However Timeform thought it was worth 23lb's which to me is very unrealistic and slightly offensive to say on ONE performance he's superior to STS,Dancing Brave and Mill Reef.Time will tell but I seriously doubt he will win in such a manner again away from Ascot,when the other horses did it everywhere.
@guitarlegend32 You have a good point there. So what do you reckon Harbinger will do in the Ark, I personally think he is going to get beat by a better horse on the day. I think I know who will win but I dont want to make my self look like an idiot just yet, so will wait and see how the track is riding on the morning of the Ark before commenting on who I think will win.
@MrNativeDancer Greetings.I have a little gut feeling that Harbinger won't win the Arc also.Stoute has an appaling record in the race considering the amount of top middle distance horses he's trained.No winners when he's had Sharastani,Shadari,Kris Kin,Pilsudski(ran a good race),Opera House,Singspiel,Daliapour(I think),North Light,Conduit and one other I think in Pure Grain.There's probably more.Not a good record.At this moment in time it is extremely difficult to favour anything when I'd....
@MrNativeDancer P.S there is an interesting point regards King George winners failing in the Arc.Nijinsky,Troy,Nashwan,Generous,Daylami,Montjeu,Doyen,Duke Of Marmalade and Conduit are the ones I can think of off the top of my head and there's probably more.Only Dancing Brave,Dylan Thomas and Lammtarra have gone on to win in recent memory.Harbinger has it to do BUT I honestly hope he does.
@guitarlegend32 I sinserily hope Harbinger wins after the King George performance aswell, but I just dont see it. Something I find ironic, Workforce did not give his running in yet he finnished in a similar position behind Cape Blanco as he did in the Dante.Allowing for easing down give or take a legnth on Workforce etc. Whats the record on beaten horses in the Ark, just thinking of Youmzain, 2nd in the Ark 3 times,wonder if this is his year then.
@MrNativeDancer It is weird that the distance between the two are similar.Herewegoagain thinks WF did give his running which is up to him.People who don't though are M.Stoute,R.Moore and the BHB handicapper(his name eludes me).WF,at Ascot,LOOKED really laboured and uptight,unable to settle and generally all over the place.To me that's not the horse who won the Derby eventhough I don't think he'd have beaten Harbinger anyway.All the same I don't think Harbinger would have beaten WF at Epsom...
@guitarlegend32 I agree with you there. Shame that Harbinger has now been injured and retired, we wont ever know now how good that King George run was. Youmzain who finished third here is heading for a race in Turkey. So that is going to be quite informative to the King George form.
Hot Prospect who was well beaten in the Derby won a decent race on saturday. So Derby horses are coming back to form now, or maybe just starting to.
@guitarlegend32 Me to, I cant believe tis has happend! I wonder if he picked up a slight fracture in the King George race, with no symptoms, then aggrevated it on the gallops and made it much worse. I cant see how you can get a fracture just cantering? I bet connections are very very very upset by this. Maybe he will go to stud next year and have a successful career there.
@MrNativeDancer Agreed.He did have a high knee action and the ground must have been very quich to run a time like that.Still a very sad loss to racing but as ever going to stud,pass that ability on
@guitarlegend32 All we can do now is look forward to his off spring racing in about 3-4-5 years time. Bet every one will be queing to get their mares covered! I would. Have you seen his pedigree? no wonder he was so good!
Very very impressive he beat the Derby winner although the derby wasn't the strongest Workforce did break the course record he also beat the Irish derby winner (Cape Blanco) and Youmzain who has been 2nd in the arc 3 years running but i wont take evens on harbinger for the Arc
GBeret83 is a moron. Workforce's performance in the English Derby was spectacular even if he faced no opposition. Breaking a stakes record alone is enough to make it a brilliant race. It is patently clear you didn't win a penny on this race. Likely the best you do is break even, and that's when you use the change machine.
I like Workforce, he never ran his race this day.
At the time I didn't want to accept that Harbinger would've won the Arc (I backed Workforce for Guineas, Derby and Arc ante-post) cause I was biased but the way the Arc is run and with his finishing kick and strong travelling that year, he would've probably ran out a very comfortable winner.
We'll never know :(
BigPhil1982 2 weeks ago
This was my wedding day i put a £1 lucky fifteen on this day on the way to the ceremony.I did'nt find out till the next day that harbinger a horse i had supported till this point this season had beaten my for £2000 four winners.8/1 4/1 10/1 and workforce 4/11.Remarkeble performance none the less and a had a good day anyway.
denm4n 2 months ago
Shame he had to retire.
realvideo24 3 months ago
great too strong
Jazzonearth 3 months ago
He was a monster this day devouring the ground. They seem to go faster each time you watch this race. Great stuff.
sailorthecat 3 months ago
assuming control
watchinginaz 4 months ago
does anyone else think that this run was extremely out of the blue because harbinger had never shown anything like that kind of performance on a race course. He then was quickly retired and sold for ahuge profit i dont wana say foulplay but i think its just suspicious. i no horses improve but iv never seen a horse improve so much so late in life. just seems a bit suspicious thats all
TheDarleyarabian 4 months ago
@addyginsh look pretty silly slaggin cape blanco off right about now
chr1sred 4 months ago
I plan to visit all racecourses where this barbarism is happening and horsewhisper my solidarity in the ears of these brave, poor souls.
I will request these brave horses throw their riders, then stampede the racetrack officials into a pen and hold them to ransom until all racing is stopped in the UK.
Next, with a rumbling of hoofs and sprays of dust they will head to the docks and airports to spread out across the world and abolish this vile human entertainment
They will be free, oh yes.
sweetypie000 5 months ago
@sweetypie000 sorry but its called competition horses like every animal are competetive with there own kind. dont bother writing anything if ur gonna cum out with that hippy nonsense. no one loves horses more than owners , jockeys, trainers and real racing fans. if u think that a horse wud rather live in the wild than be loved and treated better than most humans in this world are then ur a fool so stop embarrassing urself.
TheDarleyarabian 4 months ago
@TheDarleyarabian why would I be embarrassed, I'm not the one who promotes animal cruelty.
sweetypie000 4 months ago
@sweetypie000 : horses love to run , if they were set free animal control would take them in and give them no homes so they would be put down you're fool think about it plus they are domesticated animals wouldnt get along in the world they would all end up dying and thoroughbreds have many health problems , why dont you go protest about animals been kept in cages or hit to perfom horses are bred to do that without horse racing we would have alot worse horse wastage problem
harrypotterfreak65 4 months ago
@harrypotterfreak65 im glad im not the only one who thinks that sweetypie is a fool who knows nothing, just blurting out nonsense without even knowing the facts. animal cruelty yeah rite.
TheDarleyarabian 4 months ago
@TheDarleyarabian : haha yeah i'm glad as well everyone i know calls it animal cruetly without knowing anything about the sport . if horses didnt love to race we wouldnt have superstars like frankel & so you think just to name two :)
harrypotterfreak65 4 months ago
Love it everytime I watch it but wasn't youmzain a champion aswell
dancingbrave24 6 months ago
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MrSmid888 6 months ago
They have removed the race from You Tube and also on BBC rerun edited the film. People ought to be made to see what can happen to a horse, don't sanitize it.Harbinger was an amazing racehorse and it was wonderful to see such a win. Workforce clearly does not like Ascot at all. He threw away the race yesterday. As Willie Carson said if he had run straight he would have won. As for Rewilding -terrible bad luck but shit happens every day, things that you cannot legislate or anticipate.
rohansrider 6 months ago
RIP Rewilding
It is not good enough so many horses die in this sport. England has no consideration for these poor animals forced to do this barbaric 'sport'.
It is not good enough these horses are used for high priced sports and when they break a leg are destroyed and cast off.
Money is, as usual, taking preference over moral decency and animal welfare.
There have been something like a minimum 500 deaths of horses on UK horse tracks this year alone
Animal abuse absolutely.
sweetypie000 6 months ago
@sweetypie000
why are you even on this video if your against the sport, the thoroughbred horse would die out if it wasnt for this sport, the amount of precautions race courses take these days to try and prevent things from happening is unreal, like a qualified vet said after the race Rewilding could have done that running around a field at home, so go away if you dont like the sport
joemynes 5 months ago
@joemynes Ah, So thoroughbred horses only exist as a breed because man the grerat decides it's future and that it is worthy to race for cash ? What kind of cu*t are you ? You, like most humans, think these creatures that have existed for millions of years are your property to do as you please and wipe out if you want.
The fact is that horse did not break its leg running around (unpressurised) in a field but was forced over an arduous coarse by humans with no morals or care.
YOU are a TWAT
sweetypie000 5 months ago
@sweetypie000
No they dont only exist because of horse racing but that is central to the breeding, either that or leave them all to stand in a fucking field all day, are you just against horse racing or are you against everything in which horses are used? and secondly why are you even on this video to spout your boring tree hugging shit, i wouldnt turn up to one of your fucking protests so go away you clown, the fact is that injury to re wilding could have happened anytime like John Gosden said
joemynes 5 months ago
@joemynes You do very much sound as if every creature on the planet has a soul purpose to entertain ppl like yourself ! You sure have a high & mightly opinion of mans standing in the world !
What IS a field ? do you see a 'field' as an encatchment surrounded by barbed wire for man to covet creatures ? this is where you fail.
This is about HORSES. For 'tree hugging shit' please follow my other video comments contributions :)
You appear angry and your soul blackened, do you eat meat ?
xXx
sweetypie000 5 months ago
@sweetypie000
No not everything, you must know these horses are treated better than a huge majority of humans in the world, fed,groomed,trained and sheltered every day, and by 'field' i mean just a regular stable/farm where horses wouldnt be treated anywhere near the way they are because of racing, and yes it's about horses, and it's people like you that are too defensive when it comes too a small perecentage of unanticipated accidents e.g. rewilding, it happens, no one enjoys seeing it!
joemynes 5 months ago
@joemynes people like you will never understand. Get off your high chair and get with the program.
the queen lives better than you or me. The point ? none, just like your stupid analogy.
the racecourse enjoys the money and the punter enjoys the gamble. the only thing losing is the horse
get some soul, you could be human
sweetypie000 5 months ago
@sweetypie000 haha get off my high chair, you do talk some rubbish, and the queen explanation you gave means absolutely nothing, hypothetically speaking if the horses had the choice of being a racehorse or living a normal life i know which one they would choose, the racecourse enjoys the money and the punter enjoys the gamble AND the horse enjoys the highest standard of living than basically any other animal, your fighting a losing battle here pal because the sport is only getting bigger...
joemynes 5 months ago
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@joemynes it's a pity a horse dosen't have the option of living a normal life. Besides, could you imagine the cost of new shoes for all it's offspring ?
"the racecourse enjoys the money and the punter enjoys the gamble" you said it !
"the horse enjoys the highest standard of living" you mean force feeding it power-foods, exercising it to death ? no, that's no life. All a horse wants in it's life is to have it's hooves trimmed occasionally and to break wind in a field, left alone munching grass
sweetypie000 5 months ago
@sweetypie000 people like you never understand you start something before get facts , you dont understand HORSES ARE BRED TO RUN LOVE TO RUN
harrypotterfreak65 4 months ago
@joemynes You know, I do support horse racing. But Look; Rewilding happened and now Kensei (multiple graded stakes winner) broke a cannon bone during a workout and was euthanized yesterday. Just few days back, two horses got electrocuted and died in England.. Not so rare.
There are many others that die regularly due to shoddy care by the "horsemen and agencies".. It's not like they are using the track payouts for actual welfare of horses. It is just a business and horses are inventory.
naridon 5 months ago
@naridon : horses are very fragile animals its very easy for that to happen , just like anyother animal , i love horses and when i grow up i'm going to train race horses i'd look afher them 110% do what is best for their welfare
harrypotterfreak65 4 months ago
@sweetypie000 : do you know anything about looking afher horses ? dude horse can not be a barb wired fence and it isnt for entertain i love seeing champions being made and people enterting people everyday in sports such as soccer , basketball those people hurt themselves every day and broke bones
harrypotterfreak65 4 months ago
@sweetypie000 : a thoroughbred existed for millons of years ? what you're the only twat here , a thoroughbred is bred from arabians and couple other horses , you're fool didnt think you were this stupid
harrypotterfreak65 4 months ago
First and foremost, Harbinger was just much the best horse in this race by a street. That said, what in this race about the way Workforce handled the surface at Ascot was so appealing that anyone believes he'll be able to win the King George in 2011? I think Workforce is a great horse at 12f. But I just don't believe Ascot is where he'll be seen at his best. Even if it rains prior to the King George? I just don't think he'll get the kind of cut he needs. SNA or Rewilding win's the King George.
GBeret83 6 months ago
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GBeret83 6 months ago
On that form it has to be said that Frankle, Canford Cliffs and whoever the other best milers areound are would have a huge battle on their hands with this fella. Maybe it's not the best field in the world but you had the English and Irish Derby winners in their and look how far back they are when Harbinger crosses the line. You have to take your hat of to that performance. Excellent
delamitri78 6 months ago
Giving them all weight was one of the reasons this was so impressive. One of the most progressive horses from 3 to 4 I have ever seen.
Just such a shame we never had him have chance to confirm all of the form.
Workforce was not himself though, he did not gallop on. Nontheless, Harbingers cruising speed was amazing.
forsoup 6 months ago
Looking bak he didnt beat much an uncooked workforce, cape blanco rubbish and so on!
4743stephenf 6 months ago
@4743stephenf cape blanco rubbish? i hope u mean in this race? or else u not got a clue as of what u talkin about, cape blanco won the man O war stakes at belmont easy last nite beating gio ponti.
oiuslag12 6 months ago
@4743stephenf the only rubbish here is your comment. He ran the fastest EVER King George and won by panels! What he beat is completely irrelevant. It's like saying Secretariat "didn't beat much" in the Belmont.
dunsta69 6 months ago
Outstanding performance by Harbinger. The way he powers away in the straight was magnificant. Would of won the Arc no doubt in my mind. This horse was on another level to any other horse racing in europe in 2010.
SoulSurvivor79 7 months ago
@SoulSurvivor79 i agree.Who cares about other years and horses and all that jazz,this was 2010,it doesnt matter what it beat,it WAS the best horse in 2010 and would of won the ARC.
MrSmid888 6 months ago
What a fantastic horse he was. Its not as though he is racing a field of dromedarys, but he made them look like they were. 2m 26.78 at Ascot is phenomenal. It is a very tough mile and a half.
SvendBosanvovski 7 months ago
Timeform must be on drugs. Workforce who Ryan Moore chose over Harbinger was all wrong. Cape Blanco doesn't truly stay and I'd trust Delboy before I'd trust Youmzain.Time and time again horses are overrated by Timeform because they overrated other horses they beat. Harbinger was the Crand Cruz of the flat and looked brilliant beating nothing but as Big Tim says better than Mill Reef comes straight out of a comic book
FIST2k8 7 months ago
Also after this race Cape Blanco (who didn't stay) was rated 115, He was later put upto 119. Winning by 11L is rated 16lbs (1L = 1.5lbs over 12 furlongs) So even if you decide to rate Harbinger on the 119 rating that gives him a rating of 135, Remember against a horse that doesn't stay. There is no doubt it's a good performance but quite where they get his rating (140) from i've no idea.
Spursrule1969 7 months ago
@Spursrule1969 harbinger was also carrying 12 lbs more. Or doesn't that count...
somersetfan1 6 months ago
@somersetfan1 The 12lbs is weight for age, Horses are not fully matured until they reach the age of 4, So in championship races a 4yo carries more weight than a 3yo, Later in the year as a 3yo matures the weight difference gets reduced, (7lbs by the Arc')
Harbinger (4yo) didn't do anything what every other 4yo has to do. Also lets not forget when harbinger was a 3yo exactly 12 months earlier he was only rated 96. Thats how much a horse can mature between 3-4.
Spursrule1969 6 months ago
No wonder he won, he probably assumed control of the other horses.
CharmieKid 7 months ago
yeeeehaaaaa
adzzob 7 months ago
its always great to see a horse win like this
and such a great shame he never raced again.
cape blanco and workforce, he beat both derby winners fair and square and gave them weight. terrific performance.
Katabatic77 8 months ago
@Katabatic77 It was a good performance but dont getb caried away, He beat Workforce fair and square. Workforce (128 rated) CLEARLY ran way below form, He struggled to get past his pacemaker (Confront rated 111) Confront was even eased down when he was in last place.
As for Cape Blanco he clearly doesn't get 12 furlongs, His only career win is the Irish Derby, Where he beat Jan Vermeer 2L, The two times Workforce ran against Jan Vermeer he beat him 11.5L and 12L. Clearly Workforce ran badly.
Spursrule1969 7 months ago
@Spursrule1969 When i say Cape blanco's only career win i meant over 12 furlongs.
Spursrule1969 7 months ago
We will never truly know the quality of Harbinger as he was prematurely retired. This race was fantastic though, great to see such a run. He set the course record this day. Nothing better than a wonderful thoroughbred galloping for fun and stretching his field. Also good he was owned by Highclere and not the mob from Eire or the super rich prince.
rohansrider 8 months ago
Anyone that saw the way Harbinger demolished a quality Hardwicke Stakes field the way he did had to suspect that the horse loved the ground at Royal-Ascot, and that it was highly possible that he would duplicate that same kind of run in the King George. But what was so impressive was the way Harbinger destroyed the King George field by an even wider margin of victory than he demolished the Hardwicke Stakes field. Still one of the singularly impressive run's I've seen in many, many years!! JMO.
GBeret83 8 months ago
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GBeret83 8 months ago
The defence for Cape Blanco is for me he really is a 10f horse, he would be found out by better stamina horses over 12f.
drofheim 8 months ago
Dunno we should question the opposition, Cape Blanco destroyed the Irish Champion and Workforce won the Arc next time out.
drofheim 8 months ago
doesnt matter if it was a truly run race. any horse that can win a group 1 by 11l and beat the best around aswell is a very good horse. Maybe if there was a big field and strong pace then it could have been closer but this was one hell of a performance and one hell of a horse
Niallmcfc 8 months ago
This was a superb performance but in my opinion a falsely run race because of a small field:
Worforce needs a hot pace to settle in behind and he was tracking the leader the whole way round- he had nothing left at the end! Cape Blanco will gallop from start to finish so it suited him no problem.
Harbinger was one of two horses in the race who have turn of foot (along with Youmzain) and he just quickened clear.
We needed to see him in the Arc to truly judge him.
forsoup 8 months ago
To think that Workforce went on the win the Arc after being humbled in this? One of the greatest wins you will ever see anywhere. Truely magnificent!
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
the only issue with this is that sea the stars should of been running (that would of been a truely great race), only a shame racing doesn't see the great horses train on due to money grabbing owners
johngilly28 9 months ago
Yep very impressive even Dancing Brave might have had to come off the bridle to win this!
draxzula 9 months ago
@draxzula Nice!
Pactrolus 9 months ago
I have no doubt that if Harbinger had made it to the Arc De Triomphe that he was certainly a good enough horse to have won the race. But I truly believe many people think Harbinger would've exploded away from the Arc field at Longchamp the same way he did the King George field at Ascot. That would not have happened. Because as I said prior, Harbinger was a course specialist at Ascot. If he had been in the Arc? He would've had a very close race on his hand's at Longchamp, IMO.
GBeret83 9 months ago
Harbinger was really a brilliant colt, and his King George victory turned out to be the crowning jewel of a career cut short. That said, you need only look at Harbinger's other victories at Chester, Newbury, and Goodwood to know that Harbinger was absolutely an course specialist at Ascot. Only in the Hardwicke Stakes and the King George did Harbinger explode away from his field's. Just like Famous Name is at his best at Leopardstown. The same can be said of Harbinger at Royal-Ascot, IMO.
GBeret83 9 months ago
wow! That was a great race!
LightingInvoker 10 months ago
ASSUMING CONTROL OF THIS HORSE.
Lucios1995 10 months ago
wish he had got to the Arc :(
MrSmid888 10 months ago
IMO he was as good as manduro!
MrHorses4eva 10 months ago
His performance on the day was unbelievable....they can'y all have ran wel below form. Timeform has bottled it. After an initial rating of 143 (before Cape Blancos Irish Chanpion win and Workforce's Arc win) he wa reassessed at 140. By the way, Dancing Brave and Sea The Stars were more versatile but in the day........?????
torontoderek 10 months ago
to win a group 1 by 10 lengths in a course record is special. OR at 140 is fair enough. On this day, one of the best performances I've seen since Dancing Brave.
grincher2006 10 months ago
@grincher2006 Couldnt agree more.Unbelievable that people on here assume that every horse in the race ran below par.Erm i dont think so.
Lets just revel in this brilliant horse.And one of the TRUE great performances of Thoroughbred horse racing.
sonofscrewcap 10 months ago
imagine that workforce ran his race this day, what would u rate harbinger??? 150!
gjc175 10 months ago
imagine that workforce ran his race this day, what would u rate harbinger??? 150!
gjc175 10 months ago
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Harbinger destroyed this field. No competition at all.
BetterInFull 11 months ago
Harbinger destroyed this field. No competition at all.
BetterInFull 11 months ago
The horse ran once in group 1 company and beat horses who missfired on the day.Decent horses not just great horses can break track records.Pace of race and firm ground being the given.
TheBroph1 11 months ago
The merit of the run is there for all to see and in no way disregarded.However the rating achieved is the bone of contention.This win was not backed up(due to injury) a
TheBroph1 11 months ago
a lot of comments on here disregarding this performance, all that can be said was workforce won a derby and an arc, we were robbed not seeing this lad take his chance in the arc... which you must imagine he would of won fairly comfortably and the arguements about his rating would not be an issue..
just enjoy the fact it was a great performance..course record too
johngilly28 11 months ago
Only if he could maintain some health and consistency. Then, he may have been able to put him in the class of some of the greats, but all he has in the books is one eye popping freaky run.
ajump08 11 months ago
Es emocionante ver esta carrera en la que Herbinger bate por mas de 10 cuerpos y me atreveria a decir que sin ser exigido.¡Tanta es la superioridad! a caballos como Workforce y Cape Blanco),"Derby winers".Sin contar a Youmzain.
Luego se lesiono tontamente en un entrenamiento y nunca se sabra su verdadero techo.
Solo por esto.¡¡¡Mejor caballo del mundo de 2.010.!!!
Compararlo con Ribot,Brigadier Gerard,Mill Reef,o cualquier otro no tiene sentido.
Por solo esta carrera ya esta en la historia.
paradoxicus 11 months ago
I've been following the horses for 30 years and that's the best performance I've seen. The official rating was too low. It would only make sense if you assume that Cape Blanco, Youmzain and Workforce ALL ran 10lb below their best.
tigerboy1966 1 year ago
For a horse to only be considered good enough by his trainer to run in his first race(this race)in group 1 company it make you wonder what muppets gave such a crazy high rating!!
TheBroph1 1 year ago
The problem i have with this race is the official rating achieved by Harbinger at the years end being only 1ib shy of Sea The Stars.Workforce ran no race,and Cape Blanco's record shows him a poor traveller out of Ireland.
TheBroph1 1 year ago
GBeret83 i agree with a lot of that but fast ground was not for me a reason for Workforce dissapointing in this race.He one must remember broke the track record at Epsom in the Derby.
TheBroph1 1 year ago
Workforce just clearly didn't adapt to the fast surface at Ascot. While Harbinger thrived over the surface the Ascot. The two horses could've met at Ascot 100 times, and Harbinger would've beaten Workforce at Ascot every time, IMO. Harbinger thrived at Ascot much like Khalid Abdullah's colt, Famous Name, thrives at Leopardstown. But Workforce did redeem himself for this loss by winning the Arc De Triomphe. I still wish Stoute had raced him in the B.C.Turf at Churchill Downs.
GBeret83 1 year ago
Harbinger was a fantastic colt. Without question. But I've always thought he was a bit of a course specialist when it came to racing at Ascot. This is the only racetrack that Harbinger ever really dominated entire field's like he did in the 2010 Hardwicke Stakes and the 2010 King George. I'm not saying that Harbinger wasn't talented enough to have beaten this field anyway. But on a different track, maybe Newmarket, Newbury, or York, the margin of victory in this race would've been far less. IMO.
GBeret83 1 year ago
all i have to say is "SO YOU THINK" would give him a run for his money
golferandy82 1 year ago
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soccerjohnny007 1 year ago
Shame we didn't get to see him again. Absolutely amazing performance, true class.
steveo28590 1 year ago
Great to watch again. Clear to see that Workforce didn't run to it's best form not that I think it would have changed the outcome. Workforce is a good few pounds better than cape blanco though.
slinky9746 1 year ago
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goosebumps everytime i c it. defo my high pont of da flat season! my low point.............him avin 2 retire prematurely thru injury =( he wud av smashed da arc, n tbh i cant realy c wot stoute was tryin 2 achieve putin im inda juddmonte. jus a pointless exercise if u ask me. n so it turned out 2 b................
bozlike 1 year ago
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bozlike 1 year ago
This performance just gets better. The form has worked out quite well too! Shut some ignorant doubters up as well.
sailorthecat 1 year ago
Wow!!
armaha 1 year ago
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Im from australia so i hadn't seen much of Confront racing , would someone be able to let me know what his usual racing pattern was ? that was the strangest ride ive ever seen in my life , he was never a chance and the hot pace he set basically set the race up for Harbinger.
Not taking anything away from Harbinger , what an explosive win against such a quality field !
sdahowr 1 year ago
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Im from australia so i hadn't seen much of Confront racing , would someone be able to let me know what his usual racing pattern was ? that was the strangest ride ive ever seen in my life , he was never a chance and the hot pace he set basically set the race up for Harbinger.
Not taking anything away from Harbinger , what an explosive win against such a quality field !
sdahowr 1 year ago
We'll be waiting a long time to see demolition job like this again in the King George. Remarkable...
ASupremeOwl 1 year ago
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sdahowr 1 year ago
hats off!!!
musawwirahmad66 1 year ago
A class horse that absolutely destroyed a class field. Nobody's as explosive at Ascot as Harbinger has proven to be. Such a shame his injury forced him into retirement before he got his shot at the Arc De Triomphe. Because I, for one, certainly believe that Harbinger would have been a huge force to reckon with at Longchamp. JMO.
GBeret83 1 year ago
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@GBeret83 Im from australia so i hadn't seen much of Confront racing , would you be able to let me know what his usual racing pattern was ? that was the strangest ride ive ever seen in my life , he was never a chance and the hot pace he set basically set the race up for Harbinger.
Not taking anything away from Harbinger , what an explosive win against such a quality field !
sdahowr 1 year ago
I think Confront deserves quite a lot of credit for the job he did as pacemaker in this race. He set a really strong gallop. I'm quite certain, intended to give Workforce a good tow into the race. But he really went on strongly, and made Cape Blanco and Workforce really work to catch him, and go on by him. He just didn't fold up. But as it worked out, Confront ended up giving Harbinger a great tow instead of Workforce.
GBeret83 1 year ago
welcome to japan!!!
omusubi7 1 year ago
伝説だーー!!!
nyuseihin 1 year ago
Harbinger c.3a.(Dansili-Penang Pearl),demuestra solo con esta carrera ser un autentico "crack".
Gana en verdadero "canter",sin que tenga Olivier Peslier,mas que acompañar su asombroso galope.
Lastima que se lesionase poco despues.
Creo que hubiera ganado L´Arc,en un autentico paseo.
Gana por 11 cuerpos a Cape Blanco,Youmzain,Darkayana y ...Workforce,entra a ¡17cuerpos!.
Es una demostracion increible de clase y superioridad y desde luego pocas veces se ha visto nada igual.
paradoxicus 1 year ago
Workforce has his rep back where it belongs, at the very TOP.
Thanks for a very special day on Oct 3rd.
Pure Class.
SIDESLAM 1 year ago
Workforce had an Off day and thats just racing, i hope they run him in the Arc and he puts some critics straight.
SIDESLAM 1 year ago
@SIDESLAM Yep I seen him in real life at Longchamp, TV pictures do not do him justice! Workforce is one of the most impresive looking horses I seen on the whole Longchamp Card he looks a real picture. To many people where so quick to right him off after the King George! How many horses in history have won the Derby then go on to win the Arc? What a fantastic horse he really is. The derby was a hard race despite what people say. He needed time to recover hence his KG defeat. He had an off day!
MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
easy money
ernestnyoung 1 year ago
if you needed further evidence to support just how good this horse was, you got it last week when cape blanco dominated the irish champion field and i believe duncan won the prix foy on sunday, again franking harbingers form.
such a shame he wont race again, it really is.
this was one of the best mile n a half performances of the last 20 years.
HereWeGoAgain595 1 year ago
the i thing i will stand by, at the time of the kg,
workforce form wasnt good enough to win. the derby had been let down several times and he was up against the only horse whod ever beaten him cape blanco, it was no surprise it didnt win. harbinger had the form in the book over cd, enhanced by barshiba, st frontiers & redwood. by arc time, rewilding had won the voltiguer, boosting epsom form a bit on a line through rewilding>planteur>behkabad,workforce was the best 3yo in the race on derby form
HereWeGoAgain595 1 year ago
@HereWeGoAgain595 Agree with you Harbinger was a class of his own in the KG. Its just a shame Workforce and Cape Blanco both ran below there own levels by at least 11lb that day, it is a shame they didnt run there races and give Harbinger a real test. I dont think either of them would of beaten Harbinger even if they did especially at Ascot which was Harbingers territory, he owned Ascot every time he ran there.
MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
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GBeret83 1 year ago
He will stand at the Shadal Stud in Japan for 2011 season!
MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
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40mono46 1 year ago
he was sold to japanese 'Shadai firm' where Sunday Silence spent rest of his life after shipment from America. Hopefully, he doesn't become the one like Lammtarra.
kokodokojapan 1 year ago
Very impressive but he hardly beat a vintage crop as for timeform rating him superior to Dancing Brave, Shergar, Sea the Star and Mill Reef. My arse he was!!!!
bigttim1 1 year ago 7
@bigttim1 what do you mean not a vintage crop? stuffed workforce the arc winner, cape blanco countless places in major races, youmzain same story. These weren't bad horses
chr1sred 9 months ago
@bigttim1 The other horses you mention showed their ability on numerous occasions and Harbinger was a one hit wonder. BUT, sometimes you have to believe the evidence of your own eyes and the clock. On this day Harbinger would have given all of them a race and maybe a beating, but maybe only on this day. Though personally I like to think The Brave would have taken care of him when they were both at their best.
Pactrolus 9 months ago
I'm nearly 50 yrs. old now. I'm from America. But I've followed European racing just as closely as American racing since back in the early 80's. Around the time of the great Shergar. I also followed Euro racing through Dancing Brave's stretch. But this, without question, IMO, is by far the most impressive King George win I've seen in my lifetime. Especially the way he destroyed an Epsom Derby winner who had set a track record. An Irish Derby winner. Hong Kong Vase winner. And Arc 2nd place. 3X.
GBeret83 1 year ago
@GBeret83 Hey my Grandfather said exactly the same as you. And hes been watching racing for like over 63 years or more sinse he was a small boy.
The first thing he said after the race was we may not ever see another winner of the King George like that again. And my Grandad knows an awful lot about racing!
MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
Such a terrible tragedy that befell Harbinger. Forcing him into retirement. So with Harbinger now retired. Would one say that Fame and Glory is now the top older turf colt in Europe now?
GBeret83 1 year ago
Know1 expected this
GoT2SpoNgE 1 year ago
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HereWeGoAgain595 1 year ago
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HereWeGoAgain595 1 year ago
I cannot believe we are not going to see this horse again.It leaves a massive "what if" feeling.I was really looking forward to the International where he'd have taken on RVW and the two Abdullah horses over a trip short of his ideal, really intriguing race.And then there would have been the Arc.There's a question over Fame & Glory after failing last yr,so this could be the yr for a British mare, Sariska or Dar Re Mi.Good as Snow Fairy is, still hard to see a 3yo filly going over to take an Arc.
5overlord 1 year ago
Poetry in motion watching Harbinger in this race.
Only hope he will race again after his injury
charliebrockett 1 year ago
Harbinger suffered a severe injury on the gallops and is out for season. May not run again.
ThefightingCelt 1 year ago
...again even if that means putting him away for the season and coming back as a 4yo,something Stoute excels with.His physique alone is that of a horse who needs time,hence only running once as a 2yo.Abdullah is firstly a racing fan and a breeder second,so I think we will see him again.Regards.
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
....Regards the Derby and the form,it is all about performance.For arguments sake At First Sight is a G2,G3 animal.Isn't it still an amazing effort to give such a horse a 10-12 length start with 3.5 furlongs to go and beat him by 8? At Ascot he only beat Confront(the pacemaker) by 2L.Dear God,Stoute wouldn't have even ran him if he thought that was his capabilities.Simple fact is that he knows a lot more than us and so does R.Moore in choosing him over Harbinger.I sincerely hope we see him....
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HereWeGoAgain595 1 year ago
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HereWeGoAgain595 1 year ago
What on earth was I on about.W Hern trained Troy,meant E.Dunlop and his mare Ouija Board.He was quite critical of the longchamp hierarchy after she was 3rd in '04.
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
....potentially Harbinger there doesn't appear to be a STS around.He's now been put away till the race by Channon and 25/1 e/w is a cracking bet.All the same hope whatever you fancy runs to your expectations.
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
....all at e/w prices1.Sariska,will hopefully get the ground she adores(14/1).2.Dar Re Mi,forget Sandown and she continued her improvement after her excellent Arc run last year and will appreciate any cut(25/1).3.Snow Fairy,have a little bit of a soft spot and again ground/trip no problem,but Dunlop never seemed that keen on the race after Troy got beat in '79(20/1)4.Can't have this monkey out of the first five-Youmzain.Horses for courses is the most reliable thing in racing and apart from.....
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
...expect every entered horse to have at least one more run and the French to have their typical trials(Niel etc).At the current odds Harbinger is ridiculously short.Fame And Glory has looked good this season but he did the same last year with a summer break and running dissapointingly at Longchamp.Lope De Vega and Byword,I simply can't see getting the trip.St.Nicholas Abbey?God knows if he'll ever see a racecourse again.Cape Blanco-not good enough.Leaving to me 4 interesting animals.......
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
The Juddemonte Stakes at York on the 18th of this month will tell just how good Harbinger really is, I still feel Workforce has more to offer but RIP VAN WINKLE will beat Harbinger, Cape Blanco and Workforce, the very best horse that Ballydoyle has to offer is a cut above all of these
derbomber08 1 year ago
Stoute always held him in MASSIVE regard, without ever trying to preach too much about what he knew he had; that was always the feeling I got when I listened to him talk about Harbinger. He looks just like a typical Danehill progeny in every way, so expect him to go well with cut. All this talk of softened ground in the Arc being against him is codswallop IMO. If he doesnt win, the ground wont be the reason. DANEHILL forever!! :-)
Well...here's the Harbinger he was on about. :_)
ISBAILEYDEADYET 1 year ago
If Harbinger overcomes the usual traffic problems in the Arc, and he re-produces anything approaching this performance, he will be very hard to beat.
ThefightingCelt 1 year ago
Fantastic
yd4444 1 year ago
really great horse...
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HereWeGoAgain595 1 year ago
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HereWeGoAgain595 1 year ago
a field of plodders lmfao to win the king george that easily is pure quality whatever else happens on this day and course its hard to see what could have beaten harbinger
littlebay75 1 year ago
Sensational performance. There is more to come from this horse. He can beat the clock and the opposition and you'll never see a fresher horse in a winners enclosure after any race let alone a 12f gr1 superb.
68apollo 1 year ago
What a RACE! What would of happend if Workforce had of given his Derby running here? I think it would of been pretty close. Furlong per furlong on speed. Both champions! Not taking anything away from Harbingers absolutely fantastic run, but its a shame Workforce didnt give his true running. Maybe the Derby took a lot out of him, no excuses though.
Harbinger is a true and genuine Champion!
MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
stunning! my heart was beating so hard when he skipped to the lead - what a horse!
vixitrixalina 1 year ago
Never seen a horse like this, wow.
BrianShaw23 1 year ago 5
@BrianShaw23 well did u saw sea the stars.....xDDD
Claudio1Cannigia 1 year ago
Props to the Harbinger team for selecting Olivier Peslier to ride Harbinger in Ryan Moore's absence. I think Olivier Peslier was the perfect fit for this horse, and I think he proved so as such.
GBeret83 1 year ago
Horrible field,beat a bunch of plodders
debbider 1 year ago
I think Harbinger's owner, Harry Herbert, seems like a very genuine guy and a real class act representing his colt.
GBeret83 1 year ago
.....brilliant display and I hope he does do it again in the near future but isn't it reasonable to assume(Stoute and Moore are certain)that Workforce didn't run his race?Harbinger in my opinion has a little to do yet to be in STS vicinity and NO horse has,or will ever,be accurately judged on 1 impressive win.All the same he seems to be getting better with every 4yo race and why can't that continue.Be watching with real eagerness his subsequent races.
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
....I hope he isn't an Ascot specialist as was Swain and Doyen.He HAS to reproduce something similar in the future to be put in the class of STS and Dancing Brave which the handicapper has.Those 2 exceptional champions did it month in month out but I honestly can't see him beating the old monkey Youmzain 12 lengths in the Arc,can anyone?Look at the superb winners of recent KG's-Conduit,Duke Of Marmalade,Montjeu,Daylami and Pentire,they all got beat in the Arc.I am in no way knocking this....
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
@guitarlegend32, that's my biggest fear about Harbinger as well. He won a Group 3 at Newbury beating Manifest, and and a Group 3 at Chester beating Age of Aquarius. But not winning nearly as impressively as he won both the Hardwicke Stakes and the King George at Ascot. I do thin Harbinger is a quality colt. No doubt. But it does appear that Ascot is where he shows his best form. It's usually known as a fast track. Longchamp in the fall can be a different proposition all together.
GBeret83 1 year ago
Harbinger has just received a rating through the BHA of 135 for this performance using Cape Blanco(119)as the benchmark.This performance is out of the complete top drawer BUT is he within 1lb of STS?On this performance I would say probably.As I said though 'on this performance'.Let's see the variables of the future.Different track(STS ran at 7 seven different courses).Distance(STS 1m,1m 2f,1m4f).Going(STS won on soft as a 2yo,good and good to firm)Left handed,right handed,uphill downhill....
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
@guitarlegend32 Yes he has indeed recieved a rating of 135, I personaly think he ran to a mark or 137 in all honesty, so wouldnt surprise me to see him win again pretty cosily of that new mark. Given similar conditions track wise. He ran like an absolute train on that track and ground. Not sure what to make of Cape Blanco's run, if you take Harbinger out of the race, what mark would you give Cape Blanco?
Harbinger was in a class of his own!
MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
@MrNativeDancer Cape Blanco was the benchmark that the handicapper used alloting 119.The handicapper(and this is the bone of contention)considered the 11 length winning margin worth 16lbs.However Timeform thought it was worth 23lb's which to me is very unrealistic and slightly offensive to say on ONE performance he's superior to STS,Dancing Brave and Mill Reef.Time will tell but I seriously doubt he will win in such a manner again away from Ascot,when the other horses did it everywhere.
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
@guitarlegend32 You have a good point there. So what do you reckon Harbinger will do in the Ark, I personally think he is going to get beat by a better horse on the day. I think I know who will win but I dont want to make my self look like an idiot just yet, so will wait and see how the track is riding on the morning of the Ark before commenting on who I think will win.
MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
@MrNativeDancer Greetings.I have a little gut feeling that Harbinger won't win the Arc also.Stoute has an appaling record in the race considering the amount of top middle distance horses he's trained.No winners when he's had Sharastani,Shadari,Kris Kin,Pilsudski(ran a good race),Opera House,Singspiel,Daliapour(I think),North Light,Conduit and one other I think in Pure Grain.There's probably more.Not a good record.At this moment in time it is extremely difficult to favour anything when I'd....
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
@MrNativeDancer P.S there is an interesting point regards King George winners failing in the Arc.Nijinsky,Troy,Nashwan,Generous,Daylami,Montjeu,Doyen,Duke Of Marmalade and Conduit are the ones I can think of off the top of my head and there's probably more.Only Dancing Brave,Dylan Thomas and Lammtarra have gone on to win in recent memory.Harbinger has it to do BUT I honestly hope he does.
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
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MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
@guitarlegend32 I sinserily hope Harbinger wins after the King George performance aswell, but I just dont see it. Something I find ironic, Workforce did not give his running in yet he finnished in a similar position behind Cape Blanco as he did in the Dante.Allowing for easing down give or take a legnth on Workforce etc. Whats the record on beaten horses in the Ark, just thinking of Youmzain, 2nd in the Ark 3 times,wonder if this is his year then.
MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
@MrNativeDancer It is weird that the distance between the two are similar.Herewegoagain thinks WF did give his running which is up to him.People who don't though are M.Stoute,R.Moore and the BHB handicapper(his name eludes me).WF,at Ascot,LOOKED really laboured and uptight,unable to settle and generally all over the place.To me that's not the horse who won the Derby eventhough I don't think he'd have beaten Harbinger anyway.All the same I don't think Harbinger would have beaten WF at Epsom...
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
@guitarlegend32 I agree with you there. Shame that Harbinger has now been injured and retired, we wont ever know now how good that King George run was. Youmzain who finished third here is heading for a race in Turkey. So that is going to be quite informative to the King George form.
Hot Prospect who was well beaten in the Derby won a decent race on saturday. So Derby horses are coming back to form now, or maybe just starting to.
MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
@MrNativeDancer Absolutely sick as a pig sir.We've been robbed of what could have been another STS,DB etc.
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
@guitarlegend32 Me to, I cant believe tis has happend! I wonder if he picked up a slight fracture in the King George race, with no symptoms, then aggrevated it on the gallops and made it much worse. I cant see how you can get a fracture just cantering? I bet connections are very very very upset by this. Maybe he will go to stud next year and have a successful career there.
MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
@MrNativeDancer Agreed.He did have a high knee action and the ground must have been very quich to run a time like that.Still a very sad loss to racing but as ever going to stud,pass that ability on
guitarlegend32 1 year ago
@guitarlegend32 All we can do now is look forward to his off spring racing in about 3-4-5 years time. Bet every one will be queing to get their mares covered! I would. Have you seen his pedigree? no wonder he was so good!
MrNativeDancer 1 year ago
Very very impressive he beat the Derby winner although the derby wasn't the strongest Workforce did break the course record he also beat the Irish derby winner (Cape Blanco) and Youmzain who has been 2nd in the arc 3 years running but i wont take evens on harbinger for the Arc
arannicol100 1 year ago 16
WOW!
healthya540mg5959 1 year ago
awesome performance.....must be a sure thing for thr Arc providing the ground isn't too soft
johnfaw 1 year ago
GBeret83 is a moron. Workforce's performance in the English Derby was spectacular even if he faced no opposition. Breaking a stakes record alone is enough to make it a brilliant race. It is patently clear you didn't win a penny on this race. Likely the best you do is break even, and that's when you use the change machine.
1Lmaris 1 year ago
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GBeret83 1 year ago