Oh and just for good measure, especially for those who are still in favour of this shark infested slime pit - Do you actually know who your MEP is, a staggering 97% of people don't. Nor do they know what it stands for, what it is, or what it does!
The next question, does Brussels actually realize how many of us really hate it? and does it care?.. No of course not. Well neither do we, so a final simple message.
Huh the only country? - Is that why Finland has just supported the True Finn party, Euro skeptic, no, not Euro skeptic, we are Euro fed up.
Take that stinking parliament and collapse into dust. We don't need you, we don't want you and basically to the European Parliament - Go to Hell...
The sooner The UK leaves the EU the better, then we can begin to look after ourselves instead of being told what to do by the great white corrupt shark which governs Europe.
Firstly the European Commission gives Euronews 5 million euros per year to release this type of European propoganda. I can't imagine it reporting on the endless waste the EU generates.
Secondly, currency devaluation is not a reason to join the eurozone. It is the reason the UK didn't follow Greece and Ireland's ruinous path despite similar deficit levels.
Thirdly it is not Euro-sceptic to dislike the EU. I love Europe but the EU is a self serving, anti democratic institution and should be ended.
The reason the UK didn't follow Greece and Ireland's ruinous path has nothing to do with being part of the euro or not. The reason Greece & Ireland are in financial trouble is because of it's economic situation, not because of the currency. The currency actually gave both Greece & Ireland stability.
Britain entered the EU on the basis that it was a TRADE UNION so tell me why nearly 30 years after our last referendem we have an EU president and a common foreign policy? Why are shopkeepers being criminalised for using imperial measurements? Why are there EU commission directives for 75% of UK legislation? Who voted for the commission? NOT ME! Who voted for political union? NOT ME! And then the government has the cheek to wonder why well over half of its population are sceptical of the EU
Wow, don't even know where to start with all the lies you said. Where do you get that 75% of UK legislation comes from the EU? Afaik, the UKIP uses these figures so basically your believing what a euro-sceptic party tells you about the EU??? Are you serious?? That takes away all your credibility.
We pay them £10s of millions a day; and yet all the major parties looked everywhere "but" the EU to save money.
What a joke, billions a year to be bossed around by unelected career politicians. What do we get out of this deal? Other than being raped for money, unlimited EU immigration; and having little control over our own laws?
You have to laugh, we should be bloody pleased we are not in the euro, imagine the mess we would be in right now if we were.
Every country pays around 1% of its GDP so proportionally EVERY country pays the same. Most EU law is about trade and international lesgislation and not interfering with UK law.
And oh pls, if the UK had joined the euro it would be in exactly the same position as now. Stop spreading lies. The reason why Ireland is in a mess is because of the housing crash, not the euro. The reason why Greece is in a mess is because of high public debt, corruption, weak economy, no the euro.
@Fizmoo No, not every country pays the same. Many of the poor countries joined the EU precisely because they get more out of it than they put in, and the richer countries are made to subsidize them. Plus the percentage of UK law set in Brussels is quite high, there is debate on the exact percentage; but it is a fairly large chunk.
And why is the Euro responsible? Because these countries need to desperately perform QE, but are unable to because of the Euro.
Well, every EU country pays around 1% in the EU budget but not everyone gets the same back (obviously). The UK get around 2/3rd of the money back they put in, directly or indirectly, so it isn't that bad. The net cost is only 6 bn/year.
About EU law, nowadays lot's of stuff need to be made a law on EU basis. Trade is an EU topic so obviously all law concerning trade will be EU law, nothing wrong with this.
QE=quantitative easing which is basically printing money. I think you mean those countries needed to devalue their currency. Obviously with the euro it's not possible but you have to take all the advantages the euro brings AND the disadvantages.Imagine if they had their own currency, their economy collapsed, their currency would lose 30-50% of their value because of economic problems while their outstanding debt (mostly in euro's) would still be the same. They would be bankrupt.
@Fizmoo Euros, pounds, dollars; whatever their debt was in the results would be the same. But if they actually owned their own currency they would at least have options, the rich countries in the EU wouldn't be constantly made to bail out the poor collapsing ones that shouldn't have been members in the first place.
I wonder how long until Germany gets sick of this and pulls out of the Euro. Let's see how the EU does without the rich countries to subsidize everything.
The euro brought them stability. Without the euro, everyone would have fled out of the Greek drachma and the Irish pounds (because of their economic problems). Those currencies would collapse and savings would become worthless. Their debt however (mostly in euro's) would in a short term become 50 or 100% larger and I don't even calculate the cost of the financial crisis itself, only the currency crisis this would create. They can thank their lucky stars they have the euro.
@Fizmoo What are you, a Euro apologist? Pretty much everyone knows the Euro is aggravating these problems, people are even talking about the Euro as we know it collapsing.
How are poor countries supposed to share their currency with rich countries? They cannot competitively devalue their currency, and weak countries encountering problems become a threat to the rich countries "because they share the same currency".
The Euro has no economic foundations, it is purely the creation of politicians.
@AnnoyedDragon Do you prefer customs taxes?You forget that rich countries sales free their products to poor countries from Europe, this is one of great advantage of rich countries from E.U., the free market.Of course, there is the reverse , cheap workers from poor Europeans countries but, sometime it must be an equality between European countries, don't you think so?
@cornel10 Countries were trading with each other just fine before the EU came along. They could make decisions that were in their own interests, and they weren't locked in a monetary union. Currencies could value themselves appropriately depending on the economic strength of each country, so you didn't get countries like Greece who are highly dependant on tourism; using the same currency as economic powerhouses like Germany.
@AnnoyedDragon Greece has many benefits because of E.U.I can tell you that there are a lot of peoples from eastern countries who chose to make their vacancies in Greece because of open borders of E.U. countries.National currencies were compared to strong foreign currencies ( dollar or German mark ) and all they got by controlling the national currencies was to print more money , growing the inflation. Personally, I don't think that inflation is good for economy and trading between countries.
@cornel10 Because they couldn't just set their own boarder controls?
Greece doesn't look too healthy these days, people are saying they should have never joined the EU; and will likely fall back into their own currency again. Even the EU, that forbid bailouts, had to break their own rules to respond to the situation. If they were on their own it would be Greece's problem, now it's the whole EU's problem. Just like Ireland, Spain, Italy and Portugal are problems.
@AnnoyedDragon Being in a country that has to pay near £50 million a day for EU membership? Yes, In do see it as wrong. The better off countries are being made to supplement the poorer member states.
As far as I'm concerned this is a one way relationship.
@AnnoyedDragon Yes, today , it's one way relationship but I believe that , in the future, things will be changed, poorly European countries will increase their economies , becoming solvent partners.I hope that I'm not too optimist but , this is the only future that I can see it . Otherwise, God save our poor asses.If you want to know my humble opinion, the real problem is the corruption from poor countries and this why I'm glad to be under the influence of strong civilized western countries.
@cornel10 Financially speaking, perhaps the EU could work; if it was just made up of stable/well off countries. It would still be spitting on democracy, but it would be more stable. The reason it isn't stable isn't because of corruption in poor countries, it is of greed in the EU itself.
Who was it that let unfit countries into the EU? It's a political project, they want the United States of Europe; regardless of the cost. Now it's falling apart but they refuse to admit it.
@AnnoyedDragon Today, every country from euro zone deserve its own monetary mass according to the economical strenght of each country.To avoid the economical failure of weak states of Europe it needs some help and co-operation between rich countries and poor countries.Is this something wrong for you?
@123minder i was born like an European and i will die as a proud European and the UK won't never bee in the EU because they should be able to live together as ONE
@ShavenTroll brittain is a great country, italy is a great country and so are all european countrys. - but there are many aspects, where those countrys got to improve and its a good thing that all those elements you can look it up from an other european country. So the brits can have a look to france, when it is about improving the railway system, frace can look to britain, when it is about to improve there policing system. and so on .....
reguarding the eu, it is good to have it but when you work within the eu being british it cuts both ways, at the end of the day what i would like to know is what will happen if the right get in and they reject the eu,
the right get in erm majority of the UK wanna stay BRITISH BULLDOGS NOT BRUSSEL SPROUTS! so dont worry about them getting in just worry about someone getting in who will listen to the people! we want to be run by ourselves not by sum1 unelected and makes are rules yet knows nothing about us
@JamesCunnyy i know what you mean, its a pity that the people that know the truth are suppressed by those who believe in international communism and the one world approach
I love the EU and its perspectives, and as an ESL teacher, I like the English People very much as well. I am hoping that in spite of all those noisy, narrow-minded Euro-skeptics, Britain will remain in the Union, and even if a British referendum does take place, they'll vote yes to it. I see the majority of Brits as intelligent, classy people with good values, who know what is best for them and for the rest of us Europeans...
75% of Europeans wanted to vote on any new treaty transferring more power to the EU (Open Europe figures),...they were denied the right by an un-elected commission of millionares and a "parliament" that is un-democratic and pretends to represent an imaginary "European citizen".
Google : No2Lisbon2,European Gendarmerie Force and EU Corpus Juris !
The 5,000 strong EUROPEAN GENDARMERIE FORCE (EGF) is patiently waiting for the Lisbon treaty to be ratified.
It will be "first and foremost at the disposal of the EU" and deployed across Europe (also U.K) for "crisis management operations" ( i.e. demonstrations and riots ).
They come from Rumania,Italy,Spain,France,Holland & Portugal with Turkish « observers ». All wear a badge with a grey flaming grenade & sword .
I'd personally like to integrate into the EU as much as possible, but given the timing, I'd rather we held off until our economy's off it's arse before adopting the Euro.
In the future we'll need the EU far more than we do now and I'm just worried we're going to burn our bridges by nationalistic nonsense (not that there aren't real reasons against the EU - there are - I'm just saying the general public aren't informed enough and thus some votes are inevitably informed by just prejudice)
yep i agree with you, i think there is a big feeling in the UK that we are still a world superpower, delusions of grandeur, a feeling that if we were to embrace the EU it would bring us down from our self visualised ivory tower into the ranks of common europeans or something silly like that, when the fact is we are just another country which makes up the continent of europe the difference being we have a superiority complex.
Agreed, and it's very frustrating. People seem to think we can enjoy all the benefits of the EU trade but without actually having to be in it, which is just wishful thinking. Norway, and Switzerland, two cases often cited to support it, actually prove that it isn't possible. They're constantly having to agree to EU directives in order to continue trade, so the only difference is they've had zero input on the makings of the law, whereas the rest of the EU have. YAY! Go EU-independance!
as a scot i think perhaps those south of the border are now starting to feel what its like to have their identity eroded by becoming part of a larger union, i think thats a fair enough argument against the EU, but this idea that having a different identity makes us better than others is just nonsense, personally i would like to become independant of the UK and become part of the EU.
Well as a Northern Englander, I don't really have the option of independance that you Scots have, but I think you lot could be a great influence on the UK's integration. Supporters of independance who are pro-EU are perfect because it affectively snookers the Tories. If they push their eurosceptism, they'll alienate the population in the other countries in the UK (who I believe are more pro-EU?), and galvanize independance movements - a broken UK will leave England no real option but to join.
I was thinking about this today, i feel sorry for england but optimistic for scotlands independance with the way UK politics are at the moment, the tories seem certain to win the next election and combined with the unpopularity of the tories in scotland, the tories firm unionist policy i think will really make more scots pro independance, the thing is with the tories in power i think you guys in england will have a bit of a tough time before england becomes more EU friendly :/
I agree, it's gonna be an absolute nightmare when the Tories get in, this is just one consolation, really. Hopefully Britain will remember why they hate the Tories quickly, and either split the UK or re-elect a different, sensible party!
i would be pretty happy with the lib dems in charge, nick clegg isnt the strongest i wouldnt say but lib dem policy is pretty good overall in my opinion, if the UK had to stay together i would deffo preffer them to tories, labour are kind of obsolete nowadays, although imo they had ok principles in the past, new labour are a bit too nanny stateish for my liking.
Yeah, same here. Ideally I'd vote for Greens, but that's never going to happen, so I'm hoping Lib Dems can get their selves sorted out and be the main opposition, either way - as you say - New Labour's fucked. It's enough to make you despair when you think, that what was once a decidedly left, working-class party ended up being another centre-right thatcherite disaster with hints of authoritarianism...and people wonder why we're disillusioned with our politics!
same here again, green party would be great but not much chance of that :(, the only plus about disillusion is we are conditioning ourselves to see through spin :P still, its looking grim with tories.
Here in Germany 74% think the EU has too much power even before Lisbon !
According to recent polls,the Austrians,Brits and Dutch all agree with the Germans.
Remember that the French,Dutch & Irish all voted NO to the Constitution/Lisbon treaty.
Sadly,the un-elected commission refuses to listen to us voters and has the AUDACITY to encourage us to vote in a "democratic" EU election where one German vote has only 1/16th the democratic clout of a voter from Luxembourg !
European Federation - ONE EUROPEAN SUPERSTATE. With ONE military, ONE police force, ONE healthcare system and ONE Government. The sooner the better - an effective counterbalance to American power and a new Global approach. How are European countries to independently survive in a future of superpowers? I find it sad that so many people in this country are so ignorant and small minded. When the French have astronauts on the Moon we'll still be sat on our arses twining.
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Nice to meet you , my english friend, we must loose Uncle Sam very soon.If we want to be a real European Union.Don't worry, your poor relatives from East Europe will do their best.We need our economical, pollitical and military european aliance.
The problem with democracy is that some people arent intellegent enough to merit a vote. Letting people vote on issues with aesthetic biases and historical prejudices ultimately fucks up the system for everyone else. People should be made to sit a test to show they understand what the politicians are saying before they vote. It doesnt need to be rocket science just an indication of political competence.
If Britian chooses the EU then it should stick too it in my opinion. I like the EU so I'd be infavour of joining the Euro if that was the only choice given. BUT, I'd be even more in favour of joining NAFTA or maybe even become a US state. It's not something I'll see in my lifetime because we are stuborn but I believe we like to think we are more different from our American brothers than we actually are.
Or maybe it's juse because I have a love affiar with the US :p
Theres certainly a far stronger bond between the USA, Canada, Australia and UK than there is between the UK and the rest of Europe.
The EU/ US working together on matters has huge influence, its ashame some European countries are just too out of sync with the reality of the dangerous world we live in.
Yes, I agree with you. I would love to see the EU and the US have an even stronger relationship together but I see problems on both sides. Sadly they are many anti-American states within the EU (it's a big issue in France) not to mention some the patriotic states of the US. That's why im more in favour of Britian and the US than the EU and US. It's just a much cleaner relationship.
At either rate im a lover of unity. If you can be part of something bigger, you are stronger.
i'm feeling you. EU and US will never happen... US and Britain is far more likely but as long as Britain remains in the EU they have no chance of forming a similar union with the US. we'd welcome britain (at least most of us);)
Britain is part of Europe but i agree with you that the english speaking nations are far closer together and have more in common. Im pro EU but i trust and support the United States of America more than i will ever trust France or Germany.
Id support some union between the English speaking nations, ofcourse that use to be the British Empire ;). The United States should join the Commonwealth of Nations, that organisation could really become a strong influence in the world with US help.
Well, I'm not in the EU, but it seems like a source of stability in the world in principle when it does speak with a united voice. But the bigger, more powerful, and more distant the government, the less the government is truly of the people. How much do you really value democracy (self-determination)? At what point do you have enough EU integration?
It would be nice to see the UK take a leading role in what direction the EU will go. The UK can do this! If only the UK can stop being silly and fully intergrate.
Ultimately joining the Euro would be disastrous, much like the expireience of the agricluture industry under Adolf Hitler, as the UK makes 70% of it's money through the handling of money and trade through the world's (joint, I suppose, with NY) financial capital. And to force EU laws, rules and regulation upon London would be to drive away our source of affluence and allow for greater dominance of the EU by Franco-Germany.
Im a strong supporter of Britains membership of the European Union but i strongly oppose the UK joining the Euro.
Surrending ones currency is a step too far and a major loss of sovereignty which the British people will never accept. There may be some benefits to joining, but theres alot of cons too :)
It is not a matter of our currency but a matter of that, in the end, the EU is a highly socialist, statist, machine which while it may play into the hands of Stalinists like Brown & Miliband, Britain in the end is too conservative, too capitalist and too free to accept such a thing as EU cotrol over the UK, and were we to accept the Euro it would be the start of the slippery slope ...
Right now despite being part of the European Union, the British parliament is sovereign. Whilst we are all part of a single market and have shared regulation, European officials do not have the power to implement them in the UK
The British parliament and government has to implement those policies and regulations, which means we always have a saftey net where our government can refuse to implement something or stall it. UK parliament is at the top despite taking directions from the EU
No matter what happens, the UK government always has the ability to threaten withdrawl from the union if they try to push something onto us that we cant accept
Whilst our economies and currencies are tied, we are still a sovereign country with a sovereign currency. The Bank of England acts in the interest of the UK, i fail to see how a single European Central Bank will look after the UKs interests as well
It has to work for all the EU countries, meaning some lose out which is unacceptable
Might be but in my opinion we shouldn't think of our own country as an economic market, but of the whole union as one federal union, a big economy, which in the end will benefit all it's members. Thus I'd prefer all the member states to adopt the Euro to make things easier, to really make this a union devoted to a free-enterprise system with one currency.
The conservatives here which are seen as anti EU are strong supporters of the single market, its a great thing having such a large economic bloc to operate in and helps externally when dealing with large economies like the United States. I agree things would be less complicated if we all had the euro, but im British 1st and European 2nd
I support the EU because i think its good for Britain, if it wasnt then id oppose it. There is no getting around the fact the ECB wouldnt focus on UK interests
Think more in terms of provinces rather than countries. Or think of US states. In the end, it wouldn't matter who'd win or loose in the short term, overall, the Union itself "wins".
And for more efficient government, tighter integration is necessary.
Do you honestly believe that Britain alone will be able to be a serious contender for 21st - 22nd century super powers like India, China (Brazil?).
Global unification may happen at some point but for the time being i support sovereign states and the United Kingdom is a sovereign state, it is certainly not a provnce or like a US state. The rest of Europe is far too unlike the UK for us to ever seriously consider a federal United States of Europe at this stage.If it is to happen, Europe has to be the one that changes, not Britain :)
The UK is no longer a super power, which is why NATo and the EU are important, but we dont need unification
or simply those who know the benefits of free trade. or those that are not butthurt from losing the largest empire in the world because of tyrannical mismanagement.
Oh and just for good measure, especially for those who are still in favour of this shark infested slime pit - Do you actually know who your MEP is, a staggering 97% of people don't. Nor do they know what it stands for, what it is, or what it does!
The next question, does Brussels actually realize how many of us really hate it? and does it care?.. No of course not. Well neither do we, so a final simple message.
GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY AND GET OUT OF OUR LIVES.
Take your Parliament and shove it.
Sliepnir2006 8 months ago
Huh the only country? - Is that why Finland has just supported the True Finn party, Euro skeptic, no, not Euro skeptic, we are Euro fed up.
Take that stinking parliament and collapse into dust. We don't need you, we don't want you and basically to the European Parliament - Go to Hell...
The sooner The UK leaves the EU the better, then we can begin to look after ourselves instead of being told what to do by the great white corrupt shark which governs Europe.
Sliepnir2006 8 months ago
Firstly the European Commission gives Euronews 5 million euros per year to release this type of European propoganda. I can't imagine it reporting on the endless waste the EU generates.
Secondly, currency devaluation is not a reason to join the eurozone. It is the reason the UK didn't follow Greece and Ireland's ruinous path despite similar deficit levels.
Thirdly it is not Euro-sceptic to dislike the EU. I love Europe but the EU is a self serving, anti democratic institution and should be ended.
matthewknight87 1 year ago
@matthewknight87
The reason the UK didn't follow Greece and Ireland's ruinous path has nothing to do with being part of the euro or not. The reason Greece & Ireland are in financial trouble is because of it's economic situation, not because of the currency. The currency actually gave both Greece & Ireland stability.
Fizmoo 1 year ago
Britain entered the EU on the basis that it was a TRADE UNION so tell me why nearly 30 years after our last referendem we have an EU president and a common foreign policy? Why are shopkeepers being criminalised for using imperial measurements? Why are there EU commission directives for 75% of UK legislation? Who voted for the commission? NOT ME! Who voted for political union? NOT ME! And then the government has the cheek to wonder why well over half of its population are sceptical of the EU
123tomdarlo 1 year ago
@123tomdarlo
Wow, don't even know where to start with all the lies you said. Where do you get that 75% of UK legislation comes from the EU? Afaik, the UKIP uses these figures so basically your believing what a euro-sceptic party tells you about the EU??? Are you serious?? That takes away all your credibility.
Fizmoo 1 year ago
We pay them £10s of millions a day; and yet all the major parties looked everywhere "but" the EU to save money.
What a joke, billions a year to be bossed around by unelected career politicians. What do we get out of this deal? Other than being raped for money, unlimited EU immigration; and having little control over our own laws?
You have to laugh, we should be bloody pleased we are not in the euro, imagine the mess we would be in right now if we were.
AnnoyedDragon 1 year ago
@AnnoyedDragon
Every country pays around 1% of its GDP so proportionally EVERY country pays the same. Most EU law is about trade and international lesgislation and not interfering with UK law.
And oh pls, if the UK had joined the euro it would be in exactly the same position as now. Stop spreading lies. The reason why Ireland is in a mess is because of the housing crash, not the euro. The reason why Greece is in a mess is because of high public debt, corruption, weak economy, no the euro.
Fizmoo 1 year ago
@Fizmoo No, not every country pays the same. Many of the poor countries joined the EU precisely because they get more out of it than they put in, and the richer countries are made to subsidize them. Plus the percentage of UK law set in Brussels is quite high, there is debate on the exact percentage; but it is a fairly large chunk.
And why is the Euro responsible? Because these countries need to desperately perform QE, but are unable to because of the Euro.
AnnoyedDragon 1 year ago
@AnnoyedDragon
Well, every EU country pays around 1% in the EU budget but not everyone gets the same back (obviously). The UK get around 2/3rd of the money back they put in, directly or indirectly, so it isn't that bad. The net cost is only 6 bn/year.
About EU law, nowadays lot's of stuff need to be made a law on EU basis. Trade is an EU topic so obviously all law concerning trade will be EU law, nothing wrong with this.
Fizmoo 1 year ago
@AnnoyedDragon
QE=quantitative easing which is basically printing money. I think you mean those countries needed to devalue their currency. Obviously with the euro it's not possible but you have to take all the advantages the euro brings AND the disadvantages.Imagine if they had their own currency, their economy collapsed, their currency would lose 30-50% of their value because of economic problems while their outstanding debt (mostly in euro's) would still be the same. They would be bankrupt.
Fizmoo 1 year ago
@Fizmoo Euros, pounds, dollars; whatever their debt was in the results would be the same. But if they actually owned their own currency they would at least have options, the rich countries in the EU wouldn't be constantly made to bail out the poor collapsing ones that shouldn't have been members in the first place.
I wonder how long until Germany gets sick of this and pulls out of the Euro. Let's see how the EU does without the rich countries to subsidize everything.
AnnoyedDragon 1 year ago
@AnnoyedDragon
The euro brought them stability. Without the euro, everyone would have fled out of the Greek drachma and the Irish pounds (because of their economic problems). Those currencies would collapse and savings would become worthless. Their debt however (mostly in euro's) would in a short term become 50 or 100% larger and I don't even calculate the cost of the financial crisis itself, only the currency crisis this would create. They can thank their lucky stars they have the euro.
Fizmoo 1 year ago
@Fizmoo What are you, a Euro apologist? Pretty much everyone knows the Euro is aggravating these problems, people are even talking about the Euro as we know it collapsing.
How are poor countries supposed to share their currency with rich countries? They cannot competitively devalue their currency, and weak countries encountering problems become a threat to the rich countries "because they share the same currency".
The Euro has no economic foundations, it is purely the creation of politicians.
AnnoyedDragon 1 year ago
@AnnoyedDragon Do you prefer customs taxes?You forget that rich countries sales free their products to poor countries from Europe, this is one of great advantage of rich countries from E.U., the free market.Of course, there is the reverse , cheap workers from poor Europeans countries but, sometime it must be an equality between European countries, don't you think so?
cornel10 1 year ago
@cornel10 Countries were trading with each other just fine before the EU came along. They could make decisions that were in their own interests, and they weren't locked in a monetary union. Currencies could value themselves appropriately depending on the economic strength of each country, so you didn't get countries like Greece who are highly dependant on tourism; using the same currency as economic powerhouses like Germany.
AnnoyedDragon 1 year ago
@AnnoyedDragon Greece has many benefits because of E.U.I can tell you that there are a lot of peoples from eastern countries who chose to make their vacancies in Greece because of open borders of E.U. countries.National currencies were compared to strong foreign currencies ( dollar or German mark ) and all they got by controlling the national currencies was to print more money , growing the inflation. Personally, I don't think that inflation is good for economy and trading between countries.
cornel10 1 year ago
@cornel10 Because they couldn't just set their own boarder controls?
Greece doesn't look too healthy these days, people are saying they should have never joined the EU; and will likely fall back into their own currency again. Even the EU, that forbid bailouts, had to break their own rules to respond to the situation. If they were on their own it would be Greece's problem, now it's the whole EU's problem. Just like Ireland, Spain, Italy and Portugal are problems.
The EU is hardly working.
AnnoyedDragon 1 year ago
@AnnoyedDragon Being in a country that has to pay near £50 million a day for EU membership? Yes, In do see it as wrong. The better off countries are being made to supplement the poorer member states.
As far as I'm concerned this is a one way relationship.
AnnoyedDragon 1 year ago
@AnnoyedDragon Yes, today , it's one way relationship but I believe that , in the future, things will be changed, poorly European countries will increase their economies , becoming solvent partners.I hope that I'm not too optimist but , this is the only future that I can see it . Otherwise, God save our poor asses.If you want to know my humble opinion, the real problem is the corruption from poor countries and this why I'm glad to be under the influence of strong civilized western countries.
cornel10 1 year ago
@cornel10 Financially speaking, perhaps the EU could work; if it was just made up of stable/well off countries. It would still be spitting on democracy, but it would be more stable. The reason it isn't stable isn't because of corruption in poor countries, it is of greed in the EU itself.
Who was it that let unfit countries into the EU? It's a political project, they want the United States of Europe; regardless of the cost. Now it's falling apart but they refuse to admit it.
AnnoyedDragon 1 year ago
@AnnoyedDragon Today, every country from euro zone deserve its own monetary mass according to the economical strenght of each country.To avoid the economical failure of weak states of Europe it needs some help and co-operation between rich countries and poor countries.Is this something wrong for you?
cornel10 1 year ago
Get euro
Get metric system
Drive left side
maxybbg 1 year ago 2
I was born British and I will die British and the EU can go to hell !
123minder 1 year ago
@123minder i was born like an European and i will die as a proud European and the UK won't never bee in the EU because they should be able to live together as ONE
turner2123 1 year ago
Britain should and shall secede from the Union.
Greetings!
MosIonTaranul 1 year ago
what have british to be proud of ??xD
Alex31121234 2 years ago
@Alex31121234 more than italy i asure you
ShavenTroll 2 years ago
@ShavenTroll
i doubt it :)
Alex31121234 2 years ago
hahahaha i love pointless arguments
ShavenTroll 2 years ago
@ShavenTroll
yeh i even forgt what we were talking about xD i just said something
Alex31121234 2 years ago
@ShavenTroll brittain is a great country, italy is a great country and so are all european countrys. - but there are many aspects, where those countrys got to improve and its a good thing that all those elements you can look it up from an other european country. So the brits can have a look to france, when it is about improving the railway system, frace can look to britain, when it is about to improve there policing system. and so on .....
CapitanoGUC 1 year ago
reguarding the eu, it is good to have it but when you work within the eu being british it cuts both ways, at the end of the day what i would like to know is what will happen if the right get in and they reject the eu,
papabearej 2 years ago
the right get in erm majority of the UK wanna stay BRITISH BULLDOGS NOT BRUSSEL SPROUTS! so dont worry about them getting in just worry about someone getting in who will listen to the people! we want to be run by ourselves not by sum1 unelected and makes are rules yet knows nothing about us
JamesCunnyy 2 years ago
@JamesCunnyy i know what you mean, its a pity that the people that know the truth are suppressed by those who believe in international communism and the one world approach
papabearej 2 years ago
I love the EU and its perspectives, and as an ESL teacher, I like the English People very much as well. I am hoping that in spite of all those noisy, narrow-minded Euro-skeptics, Britain will remain in the Union, and even if a British referendum does take place, they'll vote yes to it. I see the majority of Brits as intelligent, classy people with good values, who know what is best for them and for the rest of us Europeans...
greetings from Poland
euroboi7 2 years ago
75% of Europeans wanted to vote on any new treaty transferring more power to the EU (Open Europe figures),...they were denied the right by an un-elected commission of millionares and a "parliament" that is un-democratic and pretends to represent an imaginary "European citizen".
Google : No2Lisbon2,European Gendarmerie Force and EU Corpus Juris !
Spenner56 2 years ago
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The 5,000 strong EUROPEAN GENDARMERIE FORCE (EGF) is patiently waiting for the Lisbon treaty to be ratified.
It will be "first and foremost at the disposal of the EU" and deployed across Europe (also U.K) for "crisis management operations" ( i.e. demonstrations and riots ).
They come from Rumania,Italy,Spain,France,Holland & Portugal with Turkish « observers ». All wear a badge with a grey flaming grenade & sword .
They are armed with machine guns & armoured cars.
Google their website now !
Spenner56 2 years ago
I'd personally like to integrate into the EU as much as possible, but given the timing, I'd rather we held off until our economy's off it's arse before adopting the Euro.
In the future we'll need the EU far more than we do now and I'm just worried we're going to burn our bridges by nationalistic nonsense (not that there aren't real reasons against the EU - there are - I'm just saying the general public aren't informed enough and thus some votes are inevitably informed by just prejudice)
HeadlightMorningGlow 2 years ago 2
yep i agree with you, i think there is a big feeling in the UK that we are still a world superpower, delusions of grandeur, a feeling that if we were to embrace the EU it would bring us down from our self visualised ivory tower into the ranks of common europeans or something silly like that, when the fact is we are just another country which makes up the continent of europe the difference being we have a superiority complex.
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 2 years ago
Agreed, and it's very frustrating. People seem to think we can enjoy all the benefits of the EU trade but without actually having to be in it, which is just wishful thinking. Norway, and Switzerland, two cases often cited to support it, actually prove that it isn't possible. They're constantly having to agree to EU directives in order to continue trade, so the only difference is they've had zero input on the makings of the law, whereas the rest of the EU have. YAY! Go EU-independance!
HeadlightMorningGlow 2 years ago
as a scot i think perhaps those south of the border are now starting to feel what its like to have their identity eroded by becoming part of a larger union, i think thats a fair enough argument against the EU, but this idea that having a different identity makes us better than others is just nonsense, personally i would like to become independant of the UK and become part of the EU.
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 2 years ago
Well as a Northern Englander, I don't really have the option of independance that you Scots have, but I think you lot could be a great influence on the UK's integration. Supporters of independance who are pro-EU are perfect because it affectively snookers the Tories. If they push their eurosceptism, they'll alienate the population in the other countries in the UK (who I believe are more pro-EU?), and galvanize independance movements - a broken UK will leave England no real option but to join.
HeadlightMorningGlow 2 years ago
I was thinking about this today, i feel sorry for england but optimistic for scotlands independance with the way UK politics are at the moment, the tories seem certain to win the next election and combined with the unpopularity of the tories in scotland, the tories firm unionist policy i think will really make more scots pro independance, the thing is with the tories in power i think you guys in england will have a bit of a tough time before england becomes more EU friendly :/
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 2 years ago
I agree, it's gonna be an absolute nightmare when the Tories get in, this is just one consolation, really. Hopefully Britain will remember why they hate the Tories quickly, and either split the UK or re-elect a different, sensible party!
HeadlightMorningGlow 2 years ago
i would be pretty happy with the lib dems in charge, nick clegg isnt the strongest i wouldnt say but lib dem policy is pretty good overall in my opinion, if the UK had to stay together i would deffo preffer them to tories, labour are kind of obsolete nowadays, although imo they had ok principles in the past, new labour are a bit too nanny stateish for my liking.
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 2 years ago
Yeah, same here. Ideally I'd vote for Greens, but that's never going to happen, so I'm hoping Lib Dems can get their selves sorted out and be the main opposition, either way - as you say - New Labour's fucked. It's enough to make you despair when you think, that what was once a decidedly left, working-class party ended up being another centre-right thatcherite disaster with hints of authoritarianism...and people wonder why we're disillusioned with our politics!
HeadlightMorningGlow 2 years ago
same here again, green party would be great but not much chance of that :(, the only plus about disillusion is we are conditioning ourselves to see through spin :P still, its looking grim with tories.
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 2 years ago
The reality :
Here in Germany 74% think the EU has too much power even before Lisbon !
According to recent polls,the Austrians,Brits and Dutch all agree with the Germans.
Remember that the French,Dutch & Irish all voted NO to the Constitution/Lisbon treaty.
Sadly,the un-elected commission refuses to listen to us voters and has the AUDACITY to encourage us to vote in a "democratic" EU election where one German vote has only 1/16th the democratic clout of a voter from Luxembourg !
Spenner56 2 years ago
European Federation - ONE EUROPEAN SUPERSTATE. With ONE military, ONE police force, ONE healthcare system and ONE Government. The sooner the better - an effective counterbalance to American power and a new Global approach. How are European countries to independently survive in a future of superpowers? I find it sad that so many people in this country are so ignorant and small minded. When the French have astronauts on the Moon we'll still be sat on our arses twining.
azz578 2 years ago
I agree with you in each aspect.
powidlmarmelade 2 years ago
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Nice to meet you , my english friend, we must loose Uncle Sam very soon.If we want to be a real European Union.Don't worry, your poor relatives from East Europe will do their best.We need our economical, pollitical and military european aliance.
cornel10 2 years ago
the pride and prejudice are failed versus EU
euroamerica1 2 years ago
The problem with democracy is that some people arent intellegent enough to merit a vote. Letting people vote on issues with aesthetic biases and historical prejudices ultimately fucks up the system for everyone else. People should be made to sit a test to show they understand what the politicians are saying before they vote. It doesnt need to be rocket science just an indication of political competence.
handyted101 2 years ago 2
The only British people who want to join the EU are the socialists. They who most prominately have communist tendencies!
tyr2473 2 years ago
If we had no choice, we would be better off joining the USA. I do not believe in the EU super state.
tyr2473 2 years ago
We're saying no to the Euro, because we aren't stupid and know it'll just be an excuse to jack the prices of everything up enormously.
MoreFredFredson 2 years ago
If Britian chooses the EU then it should stick too it in my opinion. I like the EU so I'd be infavour of joining the Euro if that was the only choice given. BUT, I'd be even more in favour of joining NAFTA or maybe even become a US state. It's not something I'll see in my lifetime because we are stuborn but I believe we like to think we are more different from our American brothers than we actually are.
Or maybe it's juse because I have a love affiar with the US :p
FlamingTide 2 years ago
Theres certainly a far stronger bond between the USA, Canada, Australia and UK than there is between the UK and the rest of Europe.
The EU/ US working together on matters has huge influence, its ashame some European countries are just too out of sync with the reality of the dangerous world we live in.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Yes, I agree with you. I would love to see the EU and the US have an even stronger relationship together but I see problems on both sides. Sadly they are many anti-American states within the EU (it's a big issue in France) not to mention some the patriotic states of the US. That's why im more in favour of Britian and the US than the EU and US. It's just a much cleaner relationship.
At either rate im a lover of unity. If you can be part of something bigger, you are stronger.
FlamingTide 2 years ago
i'm feeling you. EU and US will never happen... US and Britain is far more likely but as long as Britain remains in the EU they have no chance of forming a similar union with the US. we'd welcome britain (at least most of us);)
alenaduhur88 2 years ago
britain isn't european.... they have more in common with my country (the usa), canada or australia...
joining the eu was a mistake.
there should have been some kind of union between the english speaking nations across the world...
alenaduhur88 2 years ago
Britain is part of Europe but i agree with you that the english speaking nations are far closer together and have more in common. Im pro EU but i trust and support the United States of America more than i will ever trust France or Germany.
Id support some union between the English speaking nations, ofcourse that use to be the British Empire ;). The United States should join the Commonwealth of Nations, that organisation could really become a strong influence in the world with US help.
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
true story. i fully agree;)
they should really think about it
alenaduhur88 2 years ago
Well, I'm not in the EU, but it seems like a source of stability in the world in principle when it does speak with a united voice. But the bigger, more powerful, and more distant the government, the less the government is truly of the people. How much do you really value democracy (self-determination)? At what point do you have enough EU integration?
islandcaptain 2 years ago
It would be nice to see the UK take a leading role in what direction the EU will go. The UK can do this! If only the UK can stop being silly and fully intergrate.
Leifthrasir 2 years ago
Europe must unite soon as possible before the others will unite before as.
Burrel1924 2 years ago 2
Ultimately joining the Euro would be disastrous, much like the expireience of the agricluture industry under Adolf Hitler, as the UK makes 70% of it's money through the handling of money and trade through the world's (joint, I suppose, with NY) financial capital. And to force EU laws, rules and regulation upon London would be to drive away our source of affluence and allow for greater dominance of the EU by Franco-Germany.
ulsterman11 2 years ago
Im a strong supporter of Britains membership of the European Union but i strongly oppose the UK joining the Euro.
Surrending ones currency is a step too far and a major loss of sovereignty which the British people will never accept. There may be some benefits to joining, but theres alot of cons too :)
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Glad to hear you support the EU!
But why being scared of the Euro making Britain lose a "major loss of sovereignity"?
Since Britain is highly integrated in the European economy, it makes the Pound dependent
on the Euro one way or the other anyway. The Euro does not go by the Pound, but the Pound
goes by the Euro. And in monetary matters one country is hardly sovereign anway,
especially when it is a member of such a strong market economy, the EU. But I guess
you're right...UK will never accept;)
SocietasEuropa 2 years ago
It is not a matter of our currency but a matter of that, in the end, the EU is a highly socialist, statist, machine which while it may play into the hands of Stalinists like Brown & Miliband, Britain in the end is too conservative, too capitalist and too free to accept such a thing as EU cotrol over the UK, and were we to accept the Euro it would be the start of the slippery slope ...
ulsterman11 2 years ago
Right now despite being part of the European Union, the British parliament is sovereign. Whilst we are all part of a single market and have shared regulation, European officials do not have the power to implement them in the UK
The British parliament and government has to implement those policies and regulations, which means we always have a saftey net where our government can refuse to implement something or stall it. UK parliament is at the top despite taking directions from the EU
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
No matter what happens, the UK government always has the ability to threaten withdrawl from the union if they try to push something onto us that we cant accept
Whilst our economies and currencies are tied, we are still a sovereign country with a sovereign currency. The Bank of England acts in the interest of the UK, i fail to see how a single European Central Bank will look after the UKs interests as well
It has to work for all the EU countries, meaning some lose out which is unacceptable
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago 2
Might be but in my opinion we shouldn't think of our own country as an economic market, but of the whole union as one federal union, a big economy, which in the end will benefit all it's members. Thus I'd prefer all the member states to adopt the Euro to make things easier, to really make this a union devoted to a free-enterprise system with one currency.
SocietasEuropa 2 years ago
The conservatives here which are seen as anti EU are strong supporters of the single market, its a great thing having such a large economic bloc to operate in and helps externally when dealing with large economies like the United States. I agree things would be less complicated if we all had the euro, but im British 1st and European 2nd
I support the EU because i think its good for Britain, if it wasnt then id oppose it. There is no getting around the fact the ECB wouldnt focus on UK interests
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Think more in terms of provinces rather than countries. Or think of US states. In the end, it wouldn't matter who'd win or loose in the short term, overall, the Union itself "wins".
And for more efficient government, tighter integration is necessary.
Do you honestly believe that Britain alone will be able to be a serious contender for 21st - 22nd century super powers like India, China (Brazil?).
evilmuffinpie 2 years ago
Global unification may happen at some point but for the time being i support sovereign states and the United Kingdom is a sovereign state, it is certainly not a provnce or like a US state. The rest of Europe is far too unlike the UK for us to ever seriously consider a federal United States of Europe at this stage.If it is to happen, Europe has to be the one that changes, not Britain :)
The UK is no longer a super power, which is why NATo and the EU are important, but we dont need unification
TheBritishWatcher 2 years ago
Well we didn't lose our freedom only by joining the EU have we lost that!
We've been defeated by the backdoor!
And by our own version of vichy!
boghead 2 years ago
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The EU has no benefit to this nation, never has nor never will!
The EU is for all the humilated and defeated nations of world war 2!!
Something to make them feel better about them selves!
boghead 2 years ago
Like the UK? Lost its empire and joined the EEC because it would benefit them?
ssolbergj 2 years ago 2
or simply those who know the benefits of free trade. or those that are not butthurt from losing the largest empire in the world because of tyrannical mismanagement.
Kenmoron 2 years ago
I didn't realise we needed a political union to have free trade??
ps I do agree on losing the Empire to tyrannical mismanagement!
boghead 2 years ago