Electrolysis in distilled water with no electrolyte

[6580006247]

96 volts? why not all 120 idiot!

[bgbaywood]

Freedom of expression keeps dimwitted skeptics from ruining the world with their backward mentalities. Progress isn't made when people think inside the box. Science only progresses when the "established, accepted laws of physics" are broken. It happens regularly in scientific history, lots of people including esteemed scientists call "bullshit!" and then they look like jackasses in the end. Every time, same pattern, the new is scorned until it's impossible to deny.

[endimion17]

Even pure water contains a handful of ions, but what you have here is far from it. You've got an electrolite.

And Meyer was a fraud. Just as anyone else dealing with "water powered cars". What a shame Youtube is when it comes to this.

[irondmax]

great

check out some of my vidios if you will

distilled water does work

[YiuTeub]

I also use straight distilled water on mine.

[PESNetwork]

"with no electrolyte"

[mathiasmaranhao]

Hey Mate.

I'd like to know if you used any kind of electrolyte diluted in your water.

Thanks

[canadiancarfashion]

Hi Dude Nice Job  can you provide the wiring info and type of coil used I think you GOT IT MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IsItTrue99]

lol 316 watts lol

[myztic123]

i'd say its either a volt meter or an amp meter

[bsboy20]

there is an electrolyte you fucking retard waters not conductive theres c02 and tons of other things in the air that could work as an electroylte

if you said distilled water in a vacumm and i created the the water would be amazing but u didnt

[PhilippeDeChampaigne]

This is amazing. The scientific revolution of modern day paranormal electrical properties indeed is quite astonishing even for a lot less of smarts than you. Bravo!  5 stars

[fafadi13]

it false envoiyer a frequency of 20 000hz resonate to produce large quantiuté of HHO.

[MRzrx1]

Wonderful display ---- sience is far surpasing other developers and a lot of less smarts than you .. thanks --- how about the details up till now??

[Jamiehydrogen]

What's this supposed to mean? "sience is far surpasing other developers and a lot of less smarts than you" lol, stop doing so much crack.

[DreamAquaMarine]

Aaron's channel and videos are gone....what happened???

[PESNetwork]

He was unfairly removed from YouTube. He has reposted some of those videos.

[Boyntonstu]

Liquid hydrogen has a low density of 71 grams/liter. Hence there is actually more hydrogen in a liter of methanol (99 grams/liter) than in a liter of liquid hydrogen.

Regular Gasoline 44.4 MJ/KG or MJ/2.2lb

Hydrogen  121-141 MJ/KG or MJ/2.2lb

Gasoline weighs 6.073 lb/gal or 3 KG.

Try to produce 6 POUNDS of hydrogen to equal a gallon of gasoline and see how much energy it takes to do it.

This true information should prevent others from continuing down this energy wasting path.

[myztic123]

you are right, i will give you a thumbs up to counter the red -1.

according to my infos you need 22m³ of hydrogen to have the same energy than 7litres (0,007m³) of diesel fuel (which is ~100km of driving your average small car).

that is pretty much, if you drive 100km/h you'll need this 22m³ in an hour, so 0,37m³ per minute. that is 52litres per minute (!) and i'm talking about european cars, not american which as i heard need a lot more fuel!

[bluestix]

A true self tuning Meyer circuit using a bifilar coil and UV light can convert 5 gallons of water to gas per hour @ < 40 Watts using a tube the same size as the one in the video.

That is a pretty good reason to not give up.

[myztic123]

to state some unknown person:

"pics or it didn't happen"

(i would be very happy to see such a device working like you said)

[maxrisc]

You don't know who Stanley Meyer was?

[myztic123]

this number may sound large and is obviously not created with one of these small pipe systems. but i would drive a generator instead of a car motor with it and i'd use a bigger system for your garage or such.

you could create enough electricity over night to power your car for the day, or you just save the hydrogen under higher pressure.

there are many solutions which can be seen with a little bit of thinking.

[okayny]

i am too tire to see those video that show just how much bubles produce.

I want to know by video that show the electrolysis efficiency ( i.e how much power input,how much gas volume out. )

[Jamiehydrogen]

I have two tires on the front of my car, lol

[wilbobagins]

Water naturally dissociates into H + and OH - ions, but only about one in every 50 million molecules does this, hence the conductivity.

[obesechicken13]

I still don't understand, please explain how you can perform electrolysis without any electrolyte and just distilled water?

[i5ere]

By rapidly charging and discharging a water capacitor at a frequency which lets HOH escape the water bath.

[WFClockedin]

Find out who Stanley Meyer was !

[FullspeedorNothin]

Water is an electrolyte in itself. We just "wish" it was more conductive than it is for our experiments in this regard. Remember, h2o is conductive. I would call is a "natural semi-conductor".

[overunitydotcom]

Please never do this in a glas bottle

for safety reasons!

I exploded already once a glas bottle,

luckily I was behind a safety wall !

Only use plastic bootles.

Please come to

overunity dot com to report your new findings.

Many thanks.

Regards,Stefan.

[johncouagarmelonhead]

I guess the explosion completely destroyed your ability to form words and sentences. You poor soul.

[FullspeedorNothin]

You are a dick, to say the least. Stefan is a very intelligent person, just look at all of his successful experiments!

Is the above paragraph legible, asshole?

[maniacbastard]

Yes you certainly can use the language, I guess.

And I'll take a look at Stephan's experiments and if I tear him a new asshole for being and idiot or fraud it is too damn bad.

People even more stupid than yourself have been fleeced by liars like your bud. Best case they are poorly read asses or wetbrained drunks worse case they are scam artists.

[peterban1234]

With 3.3 amperes, you will create 34.5 ml of hydrogen/oxygen mixture in one minute.

(using KOH, NaOH, H2SO4, plain H2O...etc. just every electrolyte that decomposes to H2 and O2 in the ratio 2:1)

[i5ere]

If you will notice...The title says :"With no electrolyte" What part of that is ambiguous?

[sn1pe352]

I know who crux is , and he's doing a good job but not finished yet

[aaronhall555]

Are you a part of H2earth?

[aaronhall555]

Voltage does work! Why is this such a hard concept for the world to understand?!?!

Someday, hopefully in our lifetime, we will be using water as a energy source; for our future generations sake.

Best of luck to all trying to replicate Meyer's work.

[mrmaster331]

woot i can just picture it...

science project....A!!!!!

[TiczonFamily]

are you using those PWM's coz I saw those 5401 with the aligator clips.

...standby for updates regarding your experiments.

[TiczonFamily]

IT TAKES 237.13 kJ (237,130 joules) PER MOLE OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY* TO SYNTHESIZE HYDROGEN BY ELECTROLYSIS OF WATER <<< He's Right...

[peterban1234]

It takes 286 kJ of energy to decompose 1 mole of liquid water to gaseous hydrogen and oxygen.

237.13 kJ is the Gibbs free energy, you made a mistake.

[i5ere]

Heat made during the process also improves production not to mention most people do not conduct electrolysis at 0 C, so the Gibbs free energy is appropriate as both environmental and heat created are reversible as is electrolysis with all expansion being recovered.

[i5ere]

Back to all other readers. I am not attempting to debunk these works as DKean7 is so eagerly attempting to make it look by clever placement of his replies. If you read these posts in order. I am all for these garage based experiments and hope successful outcomes for each and every one of you.

[i5ere]

Now go ahead and make some smart-assed remark about silly theories and such since all of your rebuttals have degenerated to insults, but feel free to check this data out at a reputable college/university chemistry and physics dept.

"Sometimes its better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt."

[i5ere]

Take some time of your own and find out when Faraday's Constant of Electrolysis was written. Think of all the advances made since then. Even parts of Newton's and Einstein's theories have been proven wrong or not proven at all.

As I've said before, get your hands dirty, you might learn something.

[i5ere]

So these people "Spinning their meters" as you say are not working in vain. And just like there have been advances and breakthroughs in the field of catalytic cracking of crude oil from the old days of just boiling it to refine it. I believe that advances can be made in the "refining of water"

[i5ere]

Even with fuel cells only being 66% efficient and the average automobile is 33% efficient the end-user price results in a very realistic net figure of $7.76 per gallon-equivalent.

[i5ere]

Compared with the price of gas in Great Britain this is not unreasonable and with an unlimited supply, the price cannot go up.

[i5ere]

Water is unlimited as there are vast oceans of it and yes, salt water can be used.

[i5ere]

(500 moles) x (0.06587 kWh/mole) = 32.935 kWh, and the approximate cost of that power = (32.935 kWh)(@ US $0.13/kWh)=$4.45 per 'gallon equivalent'(or "gge"), using my power bill's cost /kWh!

[i5ere]

December 2007 Utility Bill.

[i5ere]

(d) since 1 mole of H2 weighs 2 grams, 1 gallon of gasoline is therefore equivalent to 500 moles of H2;

(e) thus, the electric power required to electrolyze the hydrogen equivalent to 1 gallon of gasoline is equal to

[i5ere]

(a) 1 kWh = 1,000 j/sec x 3,600 sec = 3.6 million joules;

(b) 237.13 kJ/mole / 3.6 MJ/kWh = 0.06587 kWh/mole;

(c) 1 Kg of H2 is approximately = to 1 gallon of gasoline in its available energy content, given the equality of conversion efficiency.

[i5ere]

If you notice, I have made up for DKean7's so much touted 33% by adding it towards the gallon of gasoline equivalence.

[i5ere]

We can now use the above energy requirements figures to readily verify just the cost of buying the electricity used in electrolyzing an amount of H2 having potential energy equal to 1 gallon of gasoline, FROM WATER, as follows:

[i5ere]

*(It is important to realize that the environment at typical ambient temperature contributes thermal energy equal to 48.7 kJ per mole to the hydrogen electrolytic process, as shown in the material presented via the preceding link.)

[i5ere]

For an excellent -if somewhat technical- description of the 2 processes, visit the hyperphysics dot phy-astr dot gsu dot edu website.

[i5ere]

Not surprisingly, a fuel cell is essentially just the reverse of an electrolytic cell: Whereas electricity is used to decompose water into its constituent gases in the electrolytic cell, in a fuel cell water and electricity are generated by the direct recombination of hydrogen and oxygen.

[i5ere]

The most important fact upon which this lesson will be based is that IT TAKES 237.13 kJ (237,130 joules) PER MOLE OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY* TO SYNTHESIZE HYDROGEN BY ELECTROLYSIS OF WATER, regardless of the applied voltage or the net efficiency of the cell.

[i5ere]

Are you still with me? This isn't rocket science and any physicist, chemist and electrical engineer,such as yourself, should readily know this material and be intimately familiar with it since I haven't even put forth anything beyond 10th Grade Chemistry here.

[i5ere]

It requires 96,484 coulombs (Faraday's constant of Electrolysis) to reduce or deposit one mole of any material at the cathode in an electrolytic cell.

- As a unit of power, 1 watt equals 1 joule (of energy) per second, or the product of 1 Amp current at 1 Volt.

[i5ere]

The Coulomb is the standard MKS unit of electrical charge, and is equal to 6.242 x 10 18th electrons or elementary charges. The number of electrons transported through a conductor by a DC current of 1 Amp flowing for 1 second is 1 coulomb.

[i5ere]

A mole of any ideal gas occupies a volume of 22.4 liters at standard Temperature and Pressure.

[i5ere]

A mole (short for "molecular weight") represents the quantity of any substance which has a weight in grams equal to the atomic weight of each of its constituent molecules. The actual numbers of molecules in a mole of any substance is equal to Avogadro's Constant (6.055 x 10 23rd)

[i5ere]

That wasn't too hard now was it? If you doubt my figures, look up the individual molecular weights on the Periodic Table of Elements and do the math yourself. This is no big secret as it is also acknowledged by the US Bureau of Standards (Easily verifiable)

[i5ere]

Correction: US Bureau of Standard Weights and Measurements

[i5ere]

Whereby 8H (Mu's)/68 Oxy (Mus's) = 11.7%

1 Gal gasoline = 5.61 lbs.

5.61 lbs / .117 = .6561 lbs Hydrogen per gallon of gas.

This is done by volume as gasoline and water are sold, stored and used by volume.

As you can see, water contains 2.5 times the energy of gasoline per gallon.

[i5ere]

One gallon of water = 8.345 lbs thus 8.345 x .20 = 1.669 lbs Hydrogen per gallon GASOLINE (2 Carbon Atoms 8 Hydrogen Atoms make a gasoline molecule)

1 Electron = 1 Proton - 1Mu Hydrogen Atom: 1P - 1Mu Carbon Atom: 6E = 6P - 6 Mu Atomic Mass Ratio (MUR) of Gasoline:(8H x 1 Mu)+(1 Oxy 6 Mu = 68 Mu's.

[i5ere]

Let's start by comparing water to gasoline for energy content: WATER

Electron(E) = 1 Proton(P) - 1Mu Hydrogen

Atom: IE=IP - 1Mu Oxygen Atom: 8E = 8P - 8Mu Atomic Mass Ratio (MUR) of water (2H x 1Mu) + (1 Oxy x 8Mu)=10Mu's. Whereby 2H (Mu)/10 Mu's = 20%

[i5ere]

To Dean7, this is actual fact. Take it to your "Reputable College" Chemistry and Physics Depts. if you wish to dispute any information that I am about to post. Post your results with verifiable references. To anyone else, feel free to add to or correct anything said.

[i5ere]

To all who have been following my latest exchange with DKean7 I apologize for being so long winded and for some off the wall statements. I will go into school mode for DKean7 in hopes of enlightening him to the facts about hydrolysis. Please bear with me.

[TiczonFamily]

how can it be without electrolytes??? what did he use to produce those bubbles of H?

[i5ere]

Go to his site, waterfuelcell dot org and ask him. His username is "crux_wfc"

[i5ere]

I apologize for my curt answer above, I did not intend for it to be rude and hope no offense was taken. I have sent some information in your messages.

[i5ere]

I have only stated verifiable fact and haven't broken any laws of physics with my recent statements. It was also "impossible" for man to travel 60 mph without being crushed according to physics less than 150 years ago. Man couldn't ride a bike at 15 mph due to wind pressure preventing his ability to breath.

[i5ere]

Now for anyone who wants to know the truth...

It takes 237.13 kJ per mole divided 3.6 mJ per kWh = 0.06587 kWh/mole and 1 mole of hydrogen is 22.4 liters. A 10kW generator can easily supply this and support an increased output of 28 liters. It's not free, just releasing energy already present.

[DKean7]

Claims and what is feasible are not synonymous. I can make outrageous claims too, but where the rubber meets the road we are all pedestrians. Doing DC electrolysis you cannot go beyond the 33% mark. But you can claim it all you want.

[DKean7]

Man your ignorance and optimism are astonishing. You think that throwing some figures around here and there will make you seem like you know what you are talking about. The essential point is that you cannot achieve the results you claim unless you are doing something else than electrolysis.

[i5ere]

I beg to differ. You threw out incorrect figures and I showed your error. No one has said it's energy for free. The only thing holding it down is gas is cheaper for the time being. Why not get out of the books and get your hands dirty. Maybe you will discover something yourself.

[i5ere]

Its not my ignorance of physics but your arrogance. The millions of amps you cited was way off. The "Figures" I throw around are scientifically proven unless you know different values for a joule, Kilowatt hour, mole and the amount of joules needed to produce hydrogen by electrolysis. Please enlighten the rest of us.

[i5ere]

1 mole of H2 gas is equivalent to 22.414 L, or 0.022414 m³ of H2 gas.

2 moles of electrons are equivalent to 53.6 Ah [(2 mole)(96,485 C/mole)(1 A/Cs)(1 h/3600 s)].

Ideally, 1.47 V is needed, so the ideal power efficiency is:

= (53.6 Ah)(1.47 V)/(0.022414 m³) = 3.52 kWh/m³ of H2 gas at 25 °C, 1 atm (1.013 bar).

Simply put :

53.6 Amp hours of current flowing will liberate 22.414 litres of hydrogen gas at 0 degrees C, 1 atm.

[i5ere]

Correction: 53.6 Amp hours of current flowing will liberate 22.414 litres of hydrogen gad at 25 C, 1 atm (1.013 bar)

53.6 Amp hours = .0149 amps continuously for 1 hour at 1 volt. Prove it otherwise...

[DKean7]

Very humorous. At that rate we do not need gasoline at all! Where in the world did you get these starting figures, my friend. If this were true I could fly and airplane on water alone! You note figures which are nothing more than your imagination, while I quoted you scientific ongoing works of people who have been at it for years and have it down to minutia. But even though you know nothing about a joule or your silly rating on amp per hours you have the solution...ha ha ha

[i5ere]

Who's scientific works? The above formulae are straight from the book. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 55th ED, CRC Press 1974.

Which is now in its 88th Ed and foreworded by Sir Harry Kroto, Nobel Laureate. ISBN 9780849304880

[i5ere]

I have only been playing ignorant to draw you out. As an electrical engineer as you proclaim to be...How did you screw up such an easy formula?  If you sit back and read, maybe you will learn something.

[i5ere]

Conventional electrolysis as governed by the laws of electrolysis established by Michael Faraday in 1834 will have the above performance.

Source Taken from CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 55th Ed, CRC Press, 1974

[i5ere]

The 4% was being generous as an internal combustion engine can run as lean as 130:1 to 180:1 air fuel mixture with hydrogen. dubya dubya duby1 dot eere dot energy dot gov. fcm03r0.pdf pg 3.5 ignition systems.

[i5ere]

Now to really stir things up. This is not normal hydrolysis but as you can plainly read it is using distilled water. A non-conductor of electricity. He has in effect made a capacitor and by overcharging it has caused the non-conductive material to dissociate or doesn't that happen when you overcharge a capacitor?

[DKean7]

When you overcharge a capacitor you blow it up, genius. You are so full of humor, dude. I guess you get this from fraternizing with auto parts dudes at AutoZone, but in real life colloquialism does not translate to science. And if you know how to do this, why don't you tell us and we will do the test for you.

[i5ere]

No genius, you cause a dissociation of the non-conducting medium and in the case of water it can only dissociate into H H and O. The "blowing up" of the capacitor is a result of the pressure created due to the dissociation of the non-conducting medium. Build the case strong enough and you can let the pressure off gradually as a gas.

[DKean7]

I think I'm talking to a mental patient. Where do you come up with these silly ravings. What fruity ward are you staying in man? If I continue talking to you for any longer I will have to start taking pills or some sort... ha... ha... ha... This is where I get off.

[i5ere]

Mistake in math: H is produced @ 2:1 and not at 33% by volume. Therefore 42.8 lpm is the amount needed to be produced to run the engine at 3000 rpm. B&S Vanguard v-twin 16 hp 480cc engine powering a 10Kw generator.

[DKean7]

it takes 100,000 Watts per hour to produce 28 liters of hydrogen. If you want to produce it in 1 minute it will take 6,000,000 watts per minute and if you use 120V, that is 50,000 amps! You may not realize how much energy it requires to get hydrogen from water. Now, if you want to dispute my calculations search for "electrolysis volume power" on google and pic listing #3 "Journal of Power Sources : Hydrogen generation from water..." Even if I'm off by 2 orders of magnitude U R behind.

[DKean7]

It takes an awful lot of energy to produce hydrogen that way.  The better way is to get it from mining of some ore which can produce hydrogen from some chemical process. Or just create a big sun collector and let nature do it for you while you are shooting Golf. But as an ongoing process...! NADA AMIGOS! By the way, where did you get the figure 4% from?

[DKean7]

Then you will need 100,000 amps at 120V or 1,000,000 amps at 12V to get your 43 liters of hydrogen per minute. CARRAMBA! That would be the equivalent of shorting 1200 DieHard batteries (740amp per piece) for one minute! Good luck. Of course, since I did this rather quickly I could be off by as much as 2 orders of magnitude, but it still is unfeasible.

[i5ere]

Look at Raviwfc -009 on this site. He produces 150 ml of HHO in 20 seconds. At that rate it is

27 liters or 18 liters of Hydrogen in an hour

and using 12 volts .48 amps. That is 5.76 watts

and 20,000 times less power than you calculate.

Very feasible and being done. Just what do you believe the ratio to hydrogen to air is in an internal combustion engine?

[DKean7]

Maybe he just claims to do that. There are lots of people who are hungry for attention and who will make silly claims like that. Let's see him do it in my presence. Ha...ha... that will be the day.  So, dream on.

[DKean7]

You can make this claim, but I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that it cannot be done. And all you offer is claims. I mean where does your confidence come from, dude? Wishful thinking? What you believe any claim that is made as long as it bucks the system??? Science is not made with claims. It takes hard evidence to make a viable claim.

[i5ere]

Just look at Stanley Meyers' patent. He proved his theory with a working model and earned the patent. Everything you need to know is there. It had to work before a live audience of US Gov't representatives and it did. Fact not just claims.

[i5ere]

1W = 1J per second or 1 Amp @ 1 Volt.

1kWh = 1000 J/sec x 3600 sec = 3.6 million joules. It takes 237.13 kJ per mole of electrical energy to produce hydrogen by electrolysis. A mole of any gas occupies a volume of 22.4 liters at STP. Do it again.

[i5ere]

For sterlingda: Good job, "Crux_fwc" is on the right track. I'm interested to know how many liters per minute this device is producing.

[i5ere]

This is not about splitting O2 with H. You are attempting to confuse the issue. This is about splitting water into HHO (Brown's Gas) which has been and is being used economically for welding for over 40 yrs or into H2 and O and using the energy from their recombination back to water. I said nothing about splitting O2 with H (which isn't even mentioned below)

[i5ere]

The point is being missed. This isn't about the production of hydrogen alone. The gases are hydrogen and oxygen. The energy recovered from hydrogen alone may not equal the input, but the oxygen is not going to waste. Its energy is also being recovered with the combustion also. Eventually, the output will be in excess of the input and free energy will be the rule, not exception.

[DKean7]

That is news to me and the rest of the world. If you put a rock on a shelf and it falls down, it will release into the environment EXACTLY what it took to put it up there in a strictest sense of energy transfer. So, splitting O2 with H is like expanding a bear trap. You get back only what you put in, minus the inefficiencies. So, you will never get 100% back. Close, if the system is simple, but never 100% usable as you wish.

[didaloca]

You should think before opening your trap. Yes, you CANNOT get more engery than you get out. That is correct. However, this isn't about putting a small energy in and getting a large one out. This is about converting a substance, and releasing the energy in the substance. And i quote RELEASING. Those dickheads who has "inveted" a >100% efficient machine are all lieing fucktards.

Water contains energy, we need to put a small amount in to release that energy.

[DKean7]

The trouble is that so far no one has found a way to release more than they put it. In fact they put in 100% and get back 33% if the wind is behind them. B-) All these guys who claim they have figured it out have not. The one guy we thought did figure it out seems to have met the grim reaper a little early. So, we are still behind the 8 ball.

[i5ere]

The man you refer to was Stan Meyers

US Patent 4,936,961 which was awarded after he proved his system worked. This can easily be verified at uspto dot gov. Other patents awarded to Spiro Spiro's with proof. and dont forget Danny Dingle who is also driving a car on water.

[i5ere]

No, the rock extracts energy from its environment as it falls or how does it gain momentum to the tune of 33 fps/ps on earth?

Now picture a gravity slingshot used in space travel, we get more return than input....

[DKean7]

My dear friend, you need to take some physics courses before you can argue things like potential energy. The rock does not get energy from its surroundings. Isaac Newton explained that clearly enough. This was fun but I can't debunk all of your misapprehensions. There is no free lunch, unfortunately. Even Zero Point Energy is recoil energy though it may be abundant. Therefore conservation of energy stands!

[ghandrei]

For all those spliting water;

-1kWh=860kcal

-H2 combustion energy = 33811kcal/kg

-you need 8.9368 kg of water to get 1kg of H.The rest (7.9368 kg) is O.

So,in 1kg of H2O we have 4,4 kwH of H.

Let the electrolizer work for 1 hour, weigh the water "evaporated", calculate electric consumption and then tell us...

[i5ere]

Your own math answers the question, Duh.

Accept it, water power is coming.

[lwblack64]

On the scale of energy used to energy gained the best one can hope to accompolish is 1 to 1. Thats provided that you get 100% of the energy released in a usable form. The release of stored energy is the only viable way of a 'free ride'. Every molecule has stored energy but nobody has found a way to release it short of destroying it in the process.

[dryadiabatic]

what type of choke do you have in that circit and did you condition the tubes.

[DKean7]

The craze of free energy attracts all sorts of buzzards. But lack of education helps immensely when you want to believe that you can beat the system by some special contraption. All these hydrogen electrolysis experiments take more energy than they give back. And if not, the inventor would be a rich man. I am an engineer in Digital Electronics and unless you use a chemical process to release hydrogen electrolysis wont help you.

[stimulater7]

i guess your right but wat if we use renewables such as solar or wind to supply the energy needed,than store the hydrogen,release the oxygen and use the bottled fuel when we need it is this better than battery storage?

[DKean7]

Yes! And there is hope in that high voltage switching electrolysis, from what I understand. If you have any clues on that, there may be some hope in that. There is also that bacteria, whihc can produce hydrogen and that is the best hope of all!

Dennis

[murrayhagler]

Yeah, You're right. You are the smartest person anywhere. And your belief that we are currently getting the best mileage possible is true. Humankind really isn't greedy. $3.30 a gallon for heating oil is fair. Old people can afford food after their prescriptions. Record profits are not being set by chevron or exxon. Has technology progressed in the past 50 years? Has it been waiting patiently for you? That whole "no more than you put in" is getting old. About 50 years old, I think.

[DKean7]

U are not the only one who wants to get a free ride, my dear fairy believer.The trouble is that out of all these folks who make these claims not one of them has a clue on how to create a viable free energy device. Nikola Tesla had the right idea, but it requires high voltage and frequency. But to put up some silly Volt-Ohm Meter in your nose and let you watch a bunch of bubbles boiling while behind the scene the house electrical meter is doing 3000 RPM is not what I call impressive!

[reivaj077]

Okay, how about if we discard the input from a battery that is being constantly recharged by the alternator; Could a couple of large solar cells on the roof supply the voltage needed for the reaction to produce enough HHO to substantially increase the mileage? I have a contraption which most engineers would dismiss as a simple electrolysis device; it does not break water apart with the power of a larger battery but, it CAN break water apart with a pocket nine volt battery.

[DKean7]

Than answer, my dear friend is NO! It is far better to use the electricity you get from the sun to turn the motor rather than to do electrolysis. with electrolysis you will get just one third of what you will get by using the electricity itself for locomotion.

[dabdurabb]

"That whole "no more than you put in" is getting old."

now i'm no scientist but for example when you put a supercharger in yor car it's spins by engine belt so it takes energy from your engine, but blows in more energy so that the total power is incresed, if it doesn't produce more than take then how is total hp of the engine increased?

[dabdurabb]

my bmw 318ti had 140hp, then i put in cooper supercharger now it has about 190hp, but supercharger also takes/needs some hp to spin right? say 15hp, so this means that it produces about 65hp from 15hp.

maybe i'm wrong please explain if so.

also, Professor DKean7 how much hydrogen does 1L of water contain?

sorry for my bad english

[DKean7]

Agggh. The extra energy you get you lose in the anount of gas that you suck. Nothing comes for free. Check your wallet before and after you use the supercharger. Also, if your version of the supercharger gives you better efficiency, then it is only because because the efficiency is not 100%. You mat 15hp to get 65hp is bad math. the 15hp crams more oxygen and fuel in the same space and that is why you get more hp.

[i5ere]

Then explain the solar cell. Do we only get the amount of energy we put into making it, out of it? Actually we put in nothing so the output is infinity from our input. Look at the H bomb, if the amount out equaled the amount in, why would we need the bomb, since we have the power?

[DKean7]

Clearly you do not have much physics under your belt and less understanding about chemistry, my friend. A chemical reaction is fueled by chemicals which is not nothing. It is fuel! Solar cells depend on the sun for energy. If you occlude them no more energy is coming in. So, the energy is not coming from nowhere.

[i5ere]

You are attempting to debunk this with the conservation of energy argument, but as is plainly evident, the solar cell operates for "free" with a COP of infinity from the standpoint of our input and the hydrogen bomb plainly puts out more energy than put into it.

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[DKean7]

This is great humor, but that is not what is meant by more output than input, my friend. Chemical reactions are analogous to pushing a heavy stone over the cliff when it is tottering on the edge. So, clearly you will get more out than in. The potential is built in. Gasoline is that way too. You just press that handle and get your 16 gallons of gas and you zoom by at 70 mph.

[DKean7]

My recommendation is this for you. Four semesters of physics in a reputable university or college and you will understand what it means to get more out than in. When you extract hydrogen you are providing the energy to recoil a chemical reaction and you can only recover 30% of it. Efficiency=33% of the energy input. And I am not debunking the conservation of energy. I agree with it.

[i5ere]

Again you miss the point. The process being demonstrated is not just about hydrogen. The oxygen is also being released and recovered. when recombined they produce energy. That energy can turn an internal combustion engine which my dear professor can rotate a generator that provides the energy to repeat the process. Physics should have taught you that a pulse increases energy potential/output, which is what the system demonstrated is using to produce gas in excess of Faraday's maximum.

[DKean7]

That's a lot of wind my friend. The sum total of the energy is about 33% for Hydrogen and 67% for oxygen. So please let's not try to manufacture something that is not there. Oxygen is abundant in our environment and you do not need to do electrolysis to get it. So all you are left with is 33% of the input energy to work with which puts you way far behind the ball...

[i5ere]

Lets say you have a 16hp B&S engine powering a 10Kw generator @ 3000 rpm. That's 480cc's intake every other stroke or 720000cc's. The amount of H needed for sufficient combustion in the engine is 4%, so if his system can produce 28.8 lpm of H then it will work. Being an electrical engineer, you should know how many amps and volts he has at different levels to work with to obtain 85 lpm of gas which at 33% is 28 lpm of H.

[DKean7]

it takes 100,000 Watts per hour to produce 28 liters of hydrogen. If you want to produce it in 1 minute it will take 6,000,000 watts per minute and if you use 120V, that is 50,000 amps! You may not realize how much energy it requires to get hydrogen from water. Now, if you want to dispute my calculations search for "electrolysis volume power" on google and pic listing #3 "Journal of Power Sources : Hydrogen generation from water..." Even if I'm off by 2 orders of magnitude U R behind.

[maniacbastard]

You are a fucking moron. Sorry. Enough said. Oh and the video, it is not electrolyte free. Sorry. You are an idiot that has been lied to by a liar and you are too stupid and desperate to know the difference.

[FullspeedorNothin]

As for what you have obviously ASSUMED, Stefan is NOT my teacher(s). I simply admire his passion for discovery, and thinking outside the square. I saw his site in the beginning and checked it as of late to see how he has been after a couple nears of not visiting. He does not SELL anything,like so many,which is very noble,like him or not,and lets his young children observe and learn from real experiments,& judge for themselves,which is what the public schools fail to do,among many other things

[helectron2003]

You know what I have had it! I am an Electrical Engineer that has been experimenting for 5+ years. Maybe, I should make some videos and steel money from people. Just so everyone knows the best results I have obtained are from 416 stainless steel with a 1/16th gap with a pulse generator that is still not enough to produce hydrogen to run an ICE at an effective range. I won't even get into efficiency. Hey, you could blow up some nice garbage bags in the sky though!

[TotusGnarus]

nice man

[lincolninked]

You can get 20 amps out of your car, no problem. So why limit what you need? dot waterconversion dot com

[NikoKun]

Figure out how to run it off a 12 volt batter, and use 1 amp or less, and still produce enough hydrogen to be used as fuel. Then we have success.

[PULSEDReverseHOfue]

I am trying to do what I can back at the "water fuel cell forum", you do what you can and together we will reveal the water fuel technology. My user name back at "the water fuel cell forum" element theme set, is PULSED)ReverseH/Ofuelcell. Thanks pulsed.

[PULSEDReverseHOfue]

Thanks crux/Aaron, your posting at the water fuel cell forum has helped us immensely! Keep up the good work all my chokes are wound and ready to go! Pulsed.

[samoht1977]

96 Volts, 3.3 Amps and 316 Watts is A LOT OF POWER. He is not using radiolysis.

[fd37labs]

sterlingda,

Please post a link with detailed replication instructions for your pulser, setup, parts and assembly.

thanks for this video. maybe you start a thread at overunity dot com .Others would replicate this also.

Thanks........!

[sterlingda]

We are posting these at watercell{dot}info, which is being run by the H2Earth Institute on our PESWiki site.

[OWNtheINTERNETdotUS]

Interesting,

As we can see, more and more progress is being made on converting to hydrogen at less cost, which has always been the issue, cost. Soon this will also be solved with Hydrogen Fusion, just a matter of time.

NanoDetonator dot com

[31347ghg]

We had it yesterday but they poisoned the inventor. Stan and Dennis drove cross country on 26 gallons of water.

[bluesdirt]

we need it yesterday!