why townsend isn't a live player in a nutshell. first thing he says as pot is over is "that's going to look bad on tv". that's the only reason he called, cos his ego coudln't handle the thought he may be getting bluffed (altho PA never ever takes this line on that board with a bluff).
oh, and had to lol at Tuckman saying "and i was wondering whether Townsend wanted a call..." when BT was squirming at the check-raise.
So considering all these situations Pat either would've had a hand (even if I was wrong & he got a JJ e.g) which was an underdog or have missed his hand completely and in both cases he wouldn't call da last bet or he got a made hand (Like da 1 he's got here or 2 pairs or even a str8 etc) and would've had townsend in a bad shape.
So imo da last bet by Townsend is totally unnecessary and there's definitely no profit in that bet (@ best he would've chopped da pot).
@voiceismine by the time it got to the river, Townsend probably thought Antonius had a hand like A6 of hearts, or 6x of hearts, realising his 6 was probably no good on the river after townsend value bets it.
Townsend might have put him on a hand like 23 hearts, or that antonius reverse floated him on the flop and picked up a draw on the turn. Guess he was just putting him on hands he could beat
Pairs like JJ, TT, 99, ... is not possible either, for da fact that he called both da flop & turn bets and didn't make any action be4 da flop (specially with top ones like JJ & TT. Also there's a slight chance he would've called both bets w JJ puttin Townsend on a bluff but tha'd be a rare case and bad play - just calling w those. He might've called da flop bet w JJ but I think would definitely have fold on da turn).
He could've had K5 or K6 suited but I'll discuss this later (& he probably would have played it differently).
Patrik also couldn't have a str8 draw 'cause he called that huge turn bet unless he got something like 78h (& I think there's a chance he would've reraised on the turn if he got such a hand but not necessarily).
Flush draw is not a matter here (unless as I said he got a piece of the flop and two hearts in his hand).
I think Townsend's put Patrik on QT offsuit-suited (heart) or Q9h & thought it's a Qs vs Qs and obviously Patrik couldn't have a bigger kicker 'cause otherwise he'd raise be4 da flop and be4 Townsend.
Pat also couldn't have a big K in his hand (he would've raised w AK be4 da flop & there's a good chance he would've reraised w KK, AA, QQ and not slow played them and played't different on da flop & turn to make a bigger pot - Except for QQ).
whats funny is everyone saying he played the hand terrible
is that,. townsend got to the very top from nothing. these players think completely differently to you and me
there are players out there, at high stakes capapble of checking all the way to the river (with nothing) and then raising on the river (as again, at those stakes) they know the person will value bet the river
but thats why they play 500 / 1000 and you play .25 .50 lol
While not a poker god, I will attempt to explain why Townsend screwed up.
He put Patrik on a single pair that he was turning into a river bluff, i.e., 88-JJ, or QT.
Patrik's hand looks like a single pair when he checks twice OOP. But his equity with QJ against Patrik's range for raising this river isn't very good since that range is going to include sets, 78, AQ, and very rarely KK, AA, and QQ. Basically, he beats only a complete bluff.
Patrik, for his part, played the hand brilliantly.
i agree with you - these people dont know how high stakes think
high stakes are on another level (they value bet, people here check the river and never make any money) townsend has come from nothing to millionaire so he knows wot hes doing. Also, there are players out there capapble of check calling the whole way then raising all in with NOTHING. (because, if it works against someone, they will keep doing it and win more money!!) simple as that
@GaeasBlessing Some of your reasoning is good, but h's never value raising AQ/AA, nor can he have KK/QQ, thus his range consists of 55,66,78 and hands that turned themselves into a bluff
@Faven67 In hindsight I agree, it makes no sense to raise AQ or AA expecting worse to call (even though—and this was my results oriented thinking—we know Townsend would have).
As far as KK/QQ, like I said, it's rare that he could have them since he'd 3bet them pre flop most of the time. But according to Krantz's HU vids w/ Patrik, he 3bets way less than most . If he got to the flop with KK, you're right, he'd check raise. If he flopped top set, I'd expect him to play it the same. Your thoughts?
I don't understand what Townsend put Antonius on. There was no busted flush, in fact the only draw was 87 and it got there on the river... So what was Townsend putting Antonius on ?
If you're talking about the hand where he called Ivey down with the two Aces on the board...read Antonius's blog. They had a weird prop bet where Antonius thought it was highly unlikely that Ivey would be holding an Ace in that situation.
Maybe after Patrik's call on the turn Brian could have realized his opponent doesn't have pocket 10's.
VicenzoV 5 months ago
commentators are lolbad
k0rk1 11 months ago
why townsend isn't a live player in a nutshell. first thing he says as pot is over is "that's going to look bad on tv". that's the only reason he called, cos his ego coudln't handle the thought he may be getting bluffed (altho PA never ever takes this line on that board with a bluff).
oh, and had to lol at Tuckman saying "and i was wondering whether Townsend wanted a call..." when BT was squirming at the check-raise.
bernieisodd 1 year ago
my question is, what does Townsend think hes getting called with on that value bet on the end? was he throwing out a blocker bet there?
FletcherHabit 1 year ago
i havent flopped a set in about 6months
91Holdem 1 year ago 5
@91Holdem y ou should play at Sportsbookdotcom ..youll flop quads every 50 hands or so
FletcherHabit 1 year ago
@91Holdem play omaha !
ajapale 9 months ago
@ajapale and then learn how to loose with them. god i love PLO
killerkombokalamari 8 months ago
Antonius gets sooo lucky
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Last part:
So considering all these situations Pat either would've had a hand (even if I was wrong & he got a JJ e.g) which was an underdog or have missed his hand completely and in both cases he wouldn't call da last bet or he got a made hand (Like da 1 he's got here or 2 pairs or even a str8 etc) and would've had townsend in a bad shape.
So imo da last bet by Townsend is totally unnecessary and there's definitely no profit in that bet (@ best he would've chopped da pot).
Hope this helped.
voiceismine 2 years ago
@voiceismine by the time it got to the river, Townsend probably thought Antonius had a hand like A6 of hearts, or 6x of hearts, realising his 6 was probably no good on the river after townsend value bets it.
Townsend might have put him on a hand like 23 hearts, or that antonius reverse floated him on the flop and picked up a draw on the turn. Guess he was just putting him on hands he could beat
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Pairs like JJ, TT, 99, ... is not possible either, for da fact that he called both da flop & turn bets and didn't make any action be4 da flop (specially with top ones like JJ & TT. Also there's a slight chance he would've called both bets w JJ puttin Townsend on a bluff but tha'd be a rare case and bad play - just calling w those. He might've called da flop bet w JJ but I think would definitely have fold on da turn).
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voiceismine 2 years ago
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He could've had K5 or K6 suited but I'll discuss this later (& he probably would have played it differently).
Patrik also couldn't have a str8 draw 'cause he called that huge turn bet unless he got something like 78h (& I think there's a chance he would've reraised on the turn if he got such a hand but not necessarily).
Flush draw is not a matter here (unless as I said he got a piece of the flop and two hearts in his hand).
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voiceismine 2 years ago
This's my view on da hand in multiple parts
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I think Townsend's put Patrik on QT offsuit-suited (heart) or Q9h & thought it's a Qs vs Qs and obviously Patrik couldn't have a bigger kicker 'cause otherwise he'd raise be4 da flop and be4 Townsend.
Pat also couldn't have a big K in his hand (he would've raised w AK be4 da flop & there's a good chance he would've reraised w KK, AA, QQ and not slow played them and played't different on da flop & turn to make a bigger pot - Except for QQ).
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voiceismine 2 years ago
whats funny is everyone saying he played the hand terrible
is that,. townsend got to the very top from nothing. these players think completely differently to you and me
there are players out there, at high stakes capapble of checking all the way to the river (with nothing) and then raising on the river (as again, at those stakes) they know the person will value bet the river
but thats why they play 500 / 1000 and you play .25 .50 lol
superdave31 2 years ago
patrik is the best cash game player...
bayernmunchen007 2 years ago
Hey poker gods, could you explain why you all say Townsend played this hand so bad ?
bite2negre 2 years ago
While not a poker god, I will attempt to explain why Townsend screwed up.
He put Patrik on a single pair that he was turning into a river bluff, i.e., 88-JJ, or QT.
Patrik's hand looks like a single pair when he checks twice OOP. But his equity with QJ against Patrik's range for raising this river isn't very good since that range is going to include sets, 78, AQ, and very rarely KK, AA, and QQ. Basically, he beats only a complete bluff.
Patrik, for his part, played the hand brilliantly.
GaeasBlessing 2 years ago 4
i agree with you - these people dont know how high stakes think
high stakes are on another level (they value bet, people here check the river and never make any money) townsend has come from nothing to millionaire so he knows wot hes doing. Also, there are players out there capapble of check calling the whole way then raising all in with NOTHING. (because, if it works against someone, they will keep doing it and win more money!!) simple as that
superdave31 2 years ago
@GaeasBlessing Nice analysis.
funceeka 2 years ago
@GaeasBlessing Some of your reasoning is good, but h's never value raising AQ/AA, nor can he have KK/QQ, thus his range consists of 55,66,78 and hands that turned themselves into a bluff
Faven67 6 months ago
@Faven67 In hindsight I agree, it makes no sense to raise AQ or AA expecting worse to call (even though—and this was my results oriented thinking—we know Townsend would have).
As far as KK/QQ, like I said, it's rare that he could have them since he'd 3bet them pre flop most of the time. But according to Krantz's HU vids w/ Patrik, he 3bets way less than most . If he got to the flop with KK, you're right, he'd check raise. If he flopped top set, I'd expect him to play it the same. Your thoughts?
GaeasBlessing 6 months ago
Nice value raise on the river!
merleto 2 years ago
I don't understand what Townsend put Antonius on. There was no busted flush, in fact the only draw was 87 and it got there on the river... So what was Townsend putting Antonius on ?
A6? 77? It doesn't make any sense.
leolauzon 2 years ago
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bite2negre 2 years ago
Townsend seemed a bit flustered by Antonius' river raise. He may have lost his mental composure for a minute and it cost him $110K.
PokerZen87 2 years ago
wow getting stacked with second pair, this hand was played terribly.
AdolfNewton 2 years ago 2
townsend is the best
ee6640 2 years ago
hahahahahhh QJ rotf ,,, yea ok online poker isnt rigged LoL foff lolooolll lmao. ha!!!!!!
letitgrow11 3 years ago
Wow, it's almost comical how badly this hand was played by Townsend. He's still the man though. I guess everyone has an off day.
In fact, I just got done watching a hand where Patrick played a very similar marginal hand horribly and lost his whole stack.
Both of these guys rule. Thanks for uploading!
GaeasBlessing 3 years ago 2
If you're talking about the hand where he called Ivey down with the two Aces on the board...read Antonius's blog. They had a weird prop bet where Antonius thought it was highly unlikely that Ivey would be holding an Ace in that situation.
EGarrett01 3 years ago
I was talking about the hand where PA had 89 on a board of 8 2 5 and lost his whole stack to Ilari Sahamies who had two pair with 52.
GaeasBlessing 3 years ago
Oops, I meant Sahamies had 53 on 8 3 5.
GaeasBlessing 3 years ago
Sbrugby., one of the best cash game player of the planet! but at this particulary hand he played as bad as he could! really sorry! lol
Leuzito85 3 years ago 2