The Goetia is some bullshit

[starlandseay]

All of that stuff is horseshit! Crowley and his bunch were all charlatans! There is no supernatural.

[CircleOfCerberus]

As always, you keep doing a great job on exposing the bullshit and giving solid arguments to what you say. Great video Jason. \m/

[MystSilverDragon]

tho i do agree tradition is religion, & is bullshit

[MystSilverDragon]

thats because the truth is still the truth, & would be even if it wasnt ever written at all :)

[MystSilverDragon]

funny isnt it

[MystSilverDragon]

it always comes back to the same thing doesnt it jason. Yes it does :)

[MystSilverDragon]

or me favorite.......legions of locusts :P

[MystSilverDragon]

Nooo noo no jason its like squidlegs LOL!

[MystSilverDragon]

Im not the most intelligent berry on the bush. But Ive run into this same issue (give it diffrent colors/etc if ye like) with Christians also, in thinking that theres no way they could ever be wrong. well Ive got news for ye, everyone IS wrong. No one knows it all, no one is perfect and everyone is on a learning basis because well, refer to 1, EVERYONE IS WRONG. this is me most intellectual conclusion to date. Pls dont wait for any updates lol

and Jeson, have a great new year

[illstateofmind]

You mean I've been trying to summon Andromalius for nothing?

[acidrain1976]

So, the Goetia is total b*llshit, but it's possible to make it work? Those are YOUR words, man. You are more of an idiot than all of your cursing makes you seem. You strike me as the type of person who gets mad at the guitar because he can't play. Have fun worshiping Satan you clown, LOL. What are you, some kind of satanic-gangsta-rapper?

[StokesDaddy]

Eventhough hard work and persistance and a plan with a goal in mind will make you rich, Jason, I still say the Goetia can help you with that.. Even if it's in your mind.. dont you agree.

I think these cluster fucks who still live in the trailer park never asked for riches, they never had a plan to get rich, or a goal to get there.. Before you call these so called spirits" you need a goal, a plan and a sense or direction..

dont you agree?

[tahuti6]

I don't even know where to begin with your stupid ass. 1) Goetia can be pronounced either way, ask any professor of linguistics. 2) READ THE FUCKING PREFACE! Goetia is a PSYCHOLOGICAL art. No true practitioner actually believes in the daimonic hierarchy you seem so stuck on. 3) Spiritual endeavors are not measured by monetary success, but I would say that Danny Carey is a pretty successful mofo. 4) QUIT TRYING TO SOUND INTELLIGENT while spouting ghetto slang and wearing cheezy ass shades!

[jason666king]

@tahuti6

1: I doubt it.

2: the preface wasn't written by the author.

3: so is Creflo Dollar, your point?

4: thanks for the compliment.

[tahuti6]

@jason666king 1) To your well stated point concerning the word being a derivative of another. I have always preferred your version, but maintain that the alternative is also acceptable. 2) I apologize. I was referring to page 15 of the copy that you held up, written by AC. Important to note that while there are certain superstitious dolts who can't get past their religious upbringing, there are also INITIATES who have a more logical approach. 3) Creativity is also a goal. 4) I prefer aviators.

[tahuti6]

I'll be watching more of your videos. I may not care much for your approach, but I must say that you are an interesting cat with some interesting content. Keep it up... but again, if you could just maybe try wearing some aviators just once... who knows, you might come to prefer them:)

[STOPWykop]

Crowley wrote that so people of mental poverty (like you), who are too deep in materialism and rationalistic ideology, could accept the working with demons. He later said that demons are objective.

"Psychological art"? You are a disgrace. You new agers don't even know what magic is, not to mention ever experience it.

[tahuti6]

@STOPWykop Who are you talking to, me or Jason? IF you're talking to me then you're barking up the wrong tree. New ager? You have absolutely no clue. As for experience with magik: I have plenty, and apparently more than you are displaying. Where in the hell are you getting that anyone is stuck on materialism? And I GUARANFUCKINGTEE you that I'm more familiar with the author you quoted than you apparently are, thinking that magik is no deeper than stupid parlor tricks, yet I'm materialistic?

[STOPWykop]

@tahuti6

Yes, what you Golden Dawn descendants are doing is psychologization of magic, that means making it subjective and psychological, both in techniques, ontology and results. You don't even believe in magic. Real magic is described in Agrippa's works and grimoires. It's about using objective forces of nature to get physical results, there is no "energy", "will" or "spiritual development" in magic, those are rationalistic excuses.

[tahuti6]

@STOPWykop The fact that you've come to the conclusion that there is no spiritual development" in magik is plain evidence that you have not done your research. Everything from Tarot to tits is tied in one way or another to Alchemical, Cosmological, Geometric, and Numeric patterns. All of these things are part of a greater, and very cohesive wisdom. It's ALWAYS BEEN a process by which an aspirant can activate the Rose at the center of the Cross, so to speak, thereby attaining REAL illumination.

[tahuti6]

@STOPWykop Crowley wrote EXTENSIVELY on the idea that ALL magical arts are initiatory tools. Psychological in the sense that practice brings about change toward luciferic awakening (illumination). This does not mean that demons are imaginary. With any degree of initiation, you would already know that microcosm=macrocosm, so the alien reality of a spirit is actually a moot point so long as the results are achieved. Funny that you consider a more holistic and spiritual view to be "materialistic."

[jason666king]

@tahuti6 I like this guy ^ ^ ^

[STOPWykop]

Goetia is not about spiritual endeavors. Goetia even means from greek "practical magic". It's success is measured by physical, objective results, something you will never have. Unless maybe you read Joseph Lisiewski's Ceremonial Magic and Howlings from the Pit.

[jason666king]

@STOPWykop

"Goetia even means from greek 'practical magic'"

Now THIS is an etymylogical sand castle I'd like to see built. By anyone.

. . .

No, seriously, ANYONE.

[tahuti6]

@jason666king I'm with you there... Goetia doesn't mean ANYTHING... because it isn't a real word.

[BlackSorceryShop]

@STOPWykop The meaning of Goetia is "Howling".

In my opinion, Goetia can be useful.

I am from Eastern Europe, here the people are very superstitious and almost everyone in Serbia and Bulgaria believe in spirits and magic.

Just watch every TV talk show from Serbia, you will see that EVERY celebrity there is firm believer and practitioner of magic...

If our "elite" practice (openly) magick and is rich and famous... this mean that Magic is working.

[MystSilverDragon]

@STOPWykop have ye ever accomplished controlling geotai yeself? if not then pls hush.

[MystSilverDragon]

@STOPWykop THERE IS NO GEOTIA

[EbenezarGold]

@tahuti6 the Goetia is NOT a psychological art. Lots of people imagining 'results' these days. Try doing the experiment like it says in Peterson's transcript of the Lemegeton and see just how 'psychological' things can get.

[tahuti6]

@EbenezarGold When I said that it is "psychological", I did NOT mean "imaginary". I was referring to Crowley's description from the intro in the book that Jason held up in the vid. Personally I have seen physical results. However... anyone who is not aware of the reality of microcosm-macrocosm, has no business meddling with these things to begin with. These "beings" reside within, just as much as without. And ALL magical societies are about initiation... NOT parlor tricks.

[EbenezarGold]

@tahuti6 I can see how you may interpret that introduction of the Goetia, per Crowley/Mathers in that manner, but the general concensus is that Crowley was a bit off there, for whatever reason, as even in his Confessions he details some manifestations of an objective reality by the books initial printing. But I do have to disagree about the majority of magical societies, they excell at parlor tricks, mostly casting with the old circle jerk.

[tahuti6]

@tahuti6 I didn't say that all magikal societies are SUCCESSFUL or correct with said initiation. As for Crowley's interpretation: just to say that a spirit is as much a part of the psyche as it is external, is not to say that an objective manifestation cannot occur. The point is that in order for ANYTHING to happen, subconscious triggers must be activated. This goes to Jason's point about the true power coming from the individual. Physical manifestation does not indicate the source.

[MystSilverDragon]

@tahuti6 apparently ye think ye are ultra intelligent. Please think again.

[tahuti6]

@MystSilverDragon Nope... I am well informed, especially when compared to those who spew contradiction, superstition, and nonsense. I've been involved in the mystery traditions for over 20 years, so I'm INFORMED... not ultra intelligent. If anything that I've said, wordy as it may be, makes you think that I'm trying to be "ultra-intelligent", then you obviously have a pretty low standard for what you deem "intelligent". I know what I'm talking about. Sorry if that bothers you.

[MystSilverDragon]

@tahuti6 doesnt bother me abit hun

[ReThinkHeroic]

*facepalm*

[LordVadra777]

Good job on challenging an outdated, mideval paradigm widely and ignorantly used to "get in touch" with the unknown forces.

[BigDad138]

Interesting points that i have wondered myself, i did think that King,Duke,Arch-Bishop hierarchy was a little weird. You say you give "props" to Crowley, do you recommend his works as being proper then? I'm very curious about this and i want real answers and i'm open to both sides.

Thanks Jason

[thehotboxers]

fuck jesus

[MortherNorth14]

Well I think all this shit is gay black magic satanism all fucking gay it's all lame as hell I rather read the bible 4real

[MortherNorth14]

I 100% agree with you lol

[Sklang32]

I too have had those same questions whist casually studying this. Thank you for touching on these subjects for me. I appreciate it good sir.

[JDivinorumVideo]

Has Jason or anyone here ever used the Goetia with all of the proper tools?

[DichotomyShockRock]

um.. you gave crowley props for "getting shit" where do you think he "got the shit" you obviously just like to talk and haven't seriously studied or practiced anything. it IS pretty funny hearing you babble about shit you have no idea of tho

[digitalbeat666]

It is all about symbolism and Goetia was superstitious symbolism of middle ages.

Nowadays no matter what symbolism you use some people start following it.

Logos and trademarks etc. Freemasonry is all about the control of belief systems in case you did not know. With that perspective psychology is also bullshit.

[wolfizwatchin]

@digitalbeat666 you're a fucking idiot... Masons have nothing to do with controlling belief systems... READ A FUCKING BOOK PEOPLE... FUCK!!

[nobodysfool67]

Jason, no offense, I do not think you understand who is running the world. The Royal Houses of Europe, The Vatican, and the Black Nobility and Papal Nobility. They are ALL luciferian in their quest to destroy this earth and hand it over to Lucifer himself.

[nobodysfool67]

That book is what the epicenter of high freemasonry is all about (above the 33rd degree). Contacting demon spirits, particularly 'Bael' and 'Jahbulon'. King Solomon's secrets. This book appeared in the 17th century in France. The 'hierarchization' is the Order of things. The Kings, Dukes, princes etc. ARE NOT MEDIEVAL!! They are the ROYAL HOUSES OF EUROPE.

[selbabraba1]

I think Jason doesn't understand much of the occult

[craftbitch1]

You people have been watching too many films! Demons are only to do with who you are, there are no (outside) demons!!! Demons are only the things that you fear about yourself. Think about it!

[craftbitch1]

I believe it is total bullshit.

[IEATMETALHEADS]

you should of not made this video you should keep it to yourself i mean is this really worthy of your great ideas.goetia is bullshit why even try if you know it is.

[Heltir]

You're like a partially blind man arguing about what he sees with his organic eyes. Too blind to see symbolism.

[Heltir]

Look....your overly ridiculous(and extremely weak) identify-and-destroy state of mind makes you a moron. Relate demons to "internal demons" and then you'll start to understand. You need an understand of the greater achrons to be able to put these lesser demons into perspective. They're being used to carry out tasks. It is the same concept as -manipulation-, though a better form. The achrons are large like Reality and archangel Michael would be Faith.

[IEATMETALHEADS]

the end was funny because people do take pleasure being outcasted in todays society!

[kinetikaos]

Awsome spot on



[Philosophadam]

I came across a passage and thought "Jason King just might like this..." In 1527, Cornelius Agrippa wrote "Wemust not look for

the principle of grand operations without ourselves; it is that

internal spirit within us which can very well perform whatsoever the

monstrous Mathematicians, the prodigious Magicians, the wonderful

Alchymists and the bewitching Necromancers can effect."

[tehhron]

I forgot to mention in my response that "Lucifuge" means roughly "fugitive from the Light" whereas Rofacle is probably a corruption of a name from another grimoire

[alexsumnerauthor]

Nevertheless this is a good video, so thanks for sharing.

[alexsumnerauthor]

@ everyone who thinks the sketches in the book are by Crowley. Think again! They date from an 1863 book by Louis Breton.

In any event just because e.g. Glasya-Labolas is described as a dog with bat's wings that it always does appear like this. That is only the *first* appearance it takes on, the Magician has the power to command it to take on a "fair human shape" or any shape which is most convenient. Technically it doesn't even have to "appear" at all.

[Iluvtogekiss]

Some of these points are actually pretty valid.

[Philosophadam]

Finally, (3) The appearances/descriptions given in the Grimoires are similarly lenses through which the foreign energies of the Goetia were seen in the imaginations and culturally-conditioned minds of the Medieval magicians. In practice, the Goetia, like all other spirits, may take countless other forms when they manifest to the magician. They are not confined to the `typical`descriptions given them in the Grimoires.

Thanks for an articulate, well-argued, and good-humored video. Keep it up!

[Philosophadam]

(2) I believe you have a about the projection of Medieval hierarchy onto the Goetia; however, we might see the titles of `dukes, princes, etc.`as cultural lenses through which the Medieval magi interpreted something beyond their realm. They interpreted the unknown through the known.. In this sense, the titles can be taken as symbolic pointers towards more abstract spiritual classes for which the Medieval magicians did not have any other words besides those in the political system of their Age.

[Philosophadam]

I must say, I enjoyed this video very much. Some comments:

(1) You seem to assume that individual manifestations and a generalized `Spiritual`are mutually exclusive terms, however they need not be. For instance, I see Godforms as personifications or astral forms of more universal Divine forces that are aspects of the One that appears as All. They have been empowered through years of ceremonial work (e.g. the Egyptian Godforms); in one sense, they can be related to as modes of the Spiritual.

[tehhron]

 WHat the fuck is the Daimonic? did you make that up? From the woord Daimon? Meaning genius? I think there is a slight difference between the Daimon and the Christianized demon. You are right though, it is derived from a medieval mentality.

[BlueFkingCrash]

Hahaha, you sound like a Chaote, which is fine

you're right. the only system that works is the energy system of the etherophysical body whie using magick, and no the ones created by outsiders.

the only thing I disagree is the fact that you call them half retards, just because they were from the middle ages, because there are millions of things that people could think about in that time, that no one, no matter what, will be able to think by itself now in days. why? Tom Hanks will say.

[xgbvs]

@farron420 i alwayz thought the same thing

[Necropheliawesome]

first I want to say bullshit is subjective..the description is medieval because its based in that time, if it was written today it would be done in a different way, the description has no sway on what it is, like opinions/beliefs don't change things, if its real and nobody believes its real its still real, if it isnt real and everyone believes its real it still isnt real. The "it works because I made it work" thing, is a very human belief..I personally don't believe that to be true.

[hartejoseph]

Just do the death posture and let the changling in.

[farron420]

You choose your gods and demons kids and they will look as you require them to if you are doing the work. As long as the psychodrama is present it does not matter where you pull your inspiration. No matter if it's The Great Goat or some five dimensional fractilating alien thing it matters not, only the results. I personally like The Great Fractilating Goat of the Nether Wood:) AVE KAOS

[farron420]

Of course you are correct. The use of antique magic systems or even the envoking deities from "Marvel Comics" will yield grand results if one is holds the entity in reverence for the time of the ritual. Ever summon Darth Vader? I have, it was a gas.

[WhatWouldSutekhDo]

And since I respect Crowley, I'm assuming he included his "drawings" as a stupid joke.

If you want to see an even more ridiculous grimoire, check out the Grimorium Verum. But yeah, I'm actually turning the Theurgia Goetia (it's 10x as boring and flat as the goetia) into a working, in-depth system - so it goes to show you can make anything work with enough creativity and determination

[WhatWouldSutekhDo]

Watched your video over again, gave you five stars. They were probably tripping on Amanitas mushrooms, to answer your question. Lucifuge is a legitimate archdemon or whatever; his name means something like "Light-fleer". Most people who use the goetia hardly take it literally. For example, ranks translate to planetary correspondences, descriptions are assumed to be faulty and puerile, etc. So yeah I think everyone can agree if you have to interpret it that badly that the original text IS bs

[WhatWouldSutekhDo]

Whatever you encounter in the astral plane is going to automatically mold itself to your expectations before anything else happens, in my experience. Put enough confidence and genuine will behind a system and the astral will mold itself to reflect the system as soon as you so much as glance at it. I work with the Goetia, and it works for me, but quite honestly I also enjoy going off in my head in controlled ways. The Goetia isn't for anyone who is both normal and healthy, I'll give you that.

[TheAllSeeingMAP]

@WhatWouldSutekhDo Please explain to me more.

[batlewitch]

3:00 eragot mold.

[Jonharkill]

well in all acuality the study of demonology says that demons can take on any form. and you really haft to understand solomons use of termenology in the goetia.

[Necromalix]

HAHAHA! If you read any of Crowley's books and try to use his system you are indeed a fuck head, especially that one which is badly copied and mistranslated. clearly you where expecting heavy metal demons with horns that where going to "party down" with you in fire land.

You are clearly are a typical satanist though, a close minded fuckhead.

[KASABERHAGEN]

Ok,

In theory, you are profoundly correct, but in pragmatic occult terms....you are profoundly wrong.

Case in point; when you say somehting like "has anyone seen "X" make someone invisible, dude, how do you prove a negative? Like someone is going to walk up to who's invisible and tap on your shoulder and say "hey dude, "X" made me invisible. Everything is bullshit, you me and everything....so ultimately you dont need to make an obvious point.

Peace,

Spirit

[jsilence418]

The Enochian system is hierarcical as well Jason and it works period. I am going to subscribe as you seem to be telling it like it should be !

[wanj101982]

i get a kick outta all the crowley sketches in that volume.

[jhk393]

UR A FUCKING RETARD, its not real magick u moron its a type of meditation and psychology created by king solomon, which by the way was called the wisest of all kings, sure the goetia was a later edition but its still founded on those principles of the key of solomon

[mormonmagick]

Pokémon is my favorite grimoire! 5*****

[GrimoireOccultist]

Imperial Arts at livejournal is a very good example of a success story witht he Goetia

[GrimoireOccultist]

Have you used the Goetia? If so how did you use it? I have had success with the Goetia.

[WayOfSaimHann]

"Comic Book From The middle Ages"- the whole truth right there!

[FraterTham]

Most of the grimoires are based on the hierarchical structures of the Steganographia by Johannes Trithemius, which was recently discovered to be merely a book of codes and cryptography that used 'goetic' language to disguise this fact.

[sprucepanther]

tho western occultism is riddles with errors and lies, you have much understanding of spiritual matters in your way.

too bad the light of kemet is locked behind the masonic wall of the rich white oligarchs, it could benifit so many lost white brothers.

[SidneyK1111]

4:28, could not agree more.

[Lizaveta000]

These are just a pseudomaterialistic, anthropocentric, silly bullshits.

The Goetia is a work of Meeting and Poisoning, not just something that begin and end in the self.

The demons live in the Temples of Stone not just in the heart of the man.

[lonepantherAK]

your a goddamn genius.

[SamuelElDiablo]

Some good truths. People accused of not having success utilising the Goetia system feel they have to protest and insist on it's worth or effectiveness. Why bother? Does it increase the individual's sense of power or strength convincing others? Personally if it was that great, I'd keep tight lipped.

[MystSilverDragon]

and let me just say that it REALLY scary IF I CAN, and they cant LOL

[MystSilverDragon]

some people cannot let go of fantasy

[whatsupable]

i have seen few of your movie's and to me you sound like a open minded dick.

it is a good thing you try to revieuw satanic books but you got to understand this is not the way to be taken serious because it is ok you dont like the goetia

(never cared aubout it) but if you really wanna make a point to someone it doesn't work by shouting to someone

ia ia

[jason666king]

Your diction marks you as an assclown. Arguing with you would be like arguing with my 5 year-old daughter.

[SatansBabyGurl666]

The Goetia is WORTHLESS unless you use your own ritual to call the beings. Who's going to answer you if you are you being some rude little punk trying to *make* them appear using christian bullshit? The Goetic Beings WILL appear if you are of the LHP and are respectful when you call them *in* a circle with you

[Kawamura2]

Listen, you can summon demons from the necronomicon if you really feel it. And the Necronomicon is worthless, as you put it. They're called thoughtforms. They exist because human beings empower them to exist. Not all beings are thoughtforms, and yes, you should respect them, but they come about because you empower them. The Satanic Bible is worthless, anything is worthless if it doesn't vibe with a person. But just because you think it is worthless, doesn't mean others do, and you are both right

[Kawamura2]

If you were really successful, you'd realize that material things don't matter.

[Kawamura2]

and just to clarify, not being a hater, just giving an opinion. I think any system can work if the individual connects with it. Just because something is mideval in origin, doesn't make it shit, and yes, i saw your response to Tannhaus, the demon with a huge cock was amusing. But just because something is new doesn't make it good either. Wisdom is where you find it, in the old or the new. Truth and wisdom are generally relative to the person perceiving them.

[jason666king]

I've clarified my point on the "but . . .it works" objection several times now. Answer my question posed in the vid response to TH: why would you choose to make *this* (bullshit system) work? Why not a better paradigm of evoking the Daimonic?

[Kawamura2]

Better is also a relative term. What is better to you may be shit to someone else, and vice versa. You think Goetia is shit, others don't. Does that make them wrong? No, it just makes you different. And you can work on a more evolved Paradigm and still use archetypes from the past. Just because the daimon in that book had a huge cock and had many varying and unrelated traits, doesn't mean that's how the daimon really looks or acts, it is just one man's interpretation.

[Kawamura2]

The Goetia, while it is archaic in a lot of ways, probably does have at least some value, ceramony wise, etc. The idea is to glean what works and come up with your own ideas as to how the daimons act and what they look like. Or not, if you think an image is limiting. I mean, hell, i think a lot of what is said in The Satanic Bible is bullshit personally, but there are elements that strike me personally as true, and it still has some value. It's all a matter of perspective Jason.

[christslayer666]

i agree i never understood the heiarchys

[KosmicCitizen]

1:05 - Operative words... "to me."

[Mystwicca]

Yess remember Yes, the goetia Love you, and as long as you believe in them, they will give you everything you desire, no work required :) (sarcasm)

[Mystwicca]

Cyberwolf **Careful it may not be a REAL rock** hehe well yeah thats funny hun but yeah...........its STILL a rock :P

[6bab6alon6]

lol i do have to say i like your outlook on a few points, yes we make it work maybe you think the goetia is BS then make your own system, i know the outlook on kings dukes ect ect yes i do laugh at times at this because who really takes the time to ask demons hey what rank are you? from a demons point of view i would laugh at you and say get a life :D its all about your perception and what is right for you. we all have power and we always put limits on ourselves :P

[redrabbitbone]

I really have to say that I like this video blog because it is a real challenge to look at things in on a thinking man's terms, plus all your remarks are just on que and funny.

Thank you, I like to hear more people step up on these matters. But you J. King did a great job here.

[noprogramme]

Jason King is absolutely correct. You believe in the Goetia? Well then why not Spiderman and Batman? They are just as real. You can even call them "Jungian archetypes" if you like. I really don't blame Jason for not responding to Tannhaus- who dismisses him as an immature ignoramous in his video response. After all, Tannhaus is also known as Bishop Tau Sciam- and I understand that he has a lot of power within the OTO. Jason would do well to lay low here- and I expect that he will.

[jason666king]

That almost sounded like a challenge. Since I set video responses to auto approve, I'm not notified of each one. I was unaware T-house had made a response, I'll have to check it out . . .

[romanzbawiciel]

@noprogramme i believe in goetia batman and spiderman!

[revrory]

Passionate, but not your most well-reasoned stuff here. Yes, the goetia is limited, but what paradigm isn't? As a set of personality archetypes to evoke, the false monarchy is at least extensive, and the feudalistic flavour is a decent enough filter for understanding.

As for the potency of the system being within the operator, that's elementary chaos magick with the point sightly missed. No, I'm not defending the Goetia, but I'd hesitate before cutting myself off from a whole magick tradition.

[av949]

It's a common human trait to assume the primeval resembles us in form and behavior.

I imagine many a magician was surprised when their "arch-duke of hell" wasn't what they expected.

[revrory]

And it's a far more human arrogance to distance oneself from the primeval. ;-)

[av949]

Well said.

My statement was meant to reflect that in the sense that I refuse to assume the primeval has any vulgar form such as mine, yours, or that of a bark beetle. It just wouldn't do it justice.

[Mystwicca]

Guess what it was..its a ROCK. Ok its kindof Emu egg shaped but its NO egg its a plain ROCK. Im quite disappointed lol. Who knows maybe she had it since childhood but its still a Rock :P I can however, almost hear her laughter..OR maybe something else was intended. What do you think Jason? :P lol

[cyberwolf001]

Careful it may not be a REAL rock.

[Mystwicca]

A week ago my Uncle came to visit my mother & brought with him a gift for me which my great-great grandmother supposedly set aside before my parents ever met. Id known shed chosen a name which they did use for me long ago, but was really looking forward to this secret thing, wondering about what it could be maybe a book filled with wisdom? Well he brought it to me the other night....

[TheZebu]

Haha, actually the Daemonic Kingdom has evolved along with us-- Lucifuge seems to have been elected Prime Minister around the 1700s, if the Grand Grimoire is to be believed. Makes me wonder if nowadays they have a Daemonic Secretary-of-State.

That said, you could work with the Goetia, but it would take heavy revision- which essentially is admitting that the Goetia is seriously flawed to begin with- which it is. I love some of the sigils though...

[melwyn777]

Its middle ages bollox i concur.Truth is some so called magicians/witches today use it as point of reference.now thats bullshit!!

[satanicinternational]

" Potpourri of nonsense" lmao

[DrSikenstine666]

Right on the money.

Geotia=bullshit.

Screw the idiotic europeans.

[TheSpeaker218]

You can conjure up what the hell you like if you believe that you can.

The thing about the Goetia is that its pretty old, people seams to think it makes is better or more trustworthy.

A lot of heavy names like Crowley is mention with the Goetia, that also makes is more trustworthy for some. This is some arguments that the conjurer is more likely to succeed in his work.

[DarkF00L]

I agree with a lot of statements you made in this video. I also disagree with a few statements you made in this video.

I think I'll wait until you post the Enochian video to make a response.

Cheers.

[RevJohn]

I happened to stumble across this video just surfing around. It's such a rarity when someone actually agrees with me that it blows my mind and I become speechless...

[TheDarkVII]

"It's such a rarity when someone actually agrees with me that it blows my mind and I become speechless... "

Yeah RevJohn...and when someone disagrees with you, you blow YOURSELF and become speechless!

[TheAgentChaos]

I don't know what you're doin', but keep it up, you are *so* the very opposite of sucking lately...

[mlong20]

That was entertaining, I can't wait for you to analyse the keys of Enoch

[Phosphorus999]

lol,........

[johnnecron]

you look more serious without the facial hair.

that hair makes people think maybe your trying to steal someones style such as that great master of style. Peter H Gilmore. roflmao

[ArmchairOccultist]

Great video.

[TheBiggestWolf]

"If it worked, you wouldn't be talking about it."

Ex-fucking-actly.

[Kenesis27]

lol.. id rather study tachyons in Quantum field theory..

[DarkArckana]

I work with the Goetia. I summon the Daemons... and even the Daemons in the Grimoire know that the Goetia's bull****!! They just didn't want to get into arguements with those stupid morons from the middle ages about what a Daemon is, so they just tossed'em a cookie in order to keep'em pacified.

[TempleOfLight888]

So I guess it's like having the "head of John the Baptist"....does'nt matter so much about the authenticity of the relic. Rather what you can do with it. So we have to sort out essentials of magical working and non-essentials. Raises the whole isasue of coherence v correspondence.

[nosferotica1]

Very strong argument. As you said, the potency is within us, so despite it's shortcomings, something can be drawn from it referentially.

I know a huge part of it was evocation as opposed to invocation, which makes for summoning some hostile spirits, and rather than dismiss you banish... Talk about pissing someone off, eh?

[hecatesmagickchild]

You know nothing about it, and you failed and now your bitter and insecure. Its potent and it worked for me.

[BespokeGroupUK]

Goetia stuff is just another religious set of ideas that someone has made up, just like christianity, neopaganism, wicca, satanism, luciferian religions, freemasonry, IOT, OTO, shamanism, theosophy, Judaism, islam, etc. .

You are right.

BUT, the demon names are bastardisations of the pagan deities so the suggestion is that one can be a monotheist, but still engage with the pagan deities.

The "occult" remins experimental and not a route to concrete reliable results.

[Shugz352]

The Goetia is made up like Freemasonry; but the mythos and ethos of Freemasonry produced measurable and undeniable real world results over the course of 300 years; and still affects the mind of the mundane via its spawned mythos: the Illuminati and New World Order. What has the Goetia causally manifested?