God, Darwin, and Design 8 - Ken Miller

[ElzoSmid1]

Don, thanks for putting these video's up. Brilliant. I guess that very last part was a glimpse in the future of human evolution. :D

[neobiognosis]

QED

[lovetoeatallthefood]

Krauthammer's words remind me of something Arthur C. Clarke said:

"If Creationists truly understood evolution, they would try to give God credit for it."

[TheBunter88]

I lent in to change to another video in anticipation of this finishing and got a close up. I wont sleep for weeks thanks for that DonExodus2.

[secular555]

5:10 Is... is that Nephilimfree?

[NUTCASE71733]

@ 5:10

LMAO

[phishUMup]

i am personally an athiest, but ken millers presentation of evolution is absolutely brilliant. unlike others like dawkins he provides a means by which it can be accessible to everybody

[TheBunter88]

@phishUMup Think i prefer the approach of non-overlapping majesteria even the mention of god near any talk on a scientific theory is a bastardisation of the theory in question. God is unprovable by scientific means and the negative can not be disproved either. To link a scientific theory with god is a deviation from the scientific method and loses all credibility to argument being made. Im an atheist and a Bsc in genetics and I HATE the attempt of people to use science to prove or disprove god.

[phishUMup]

@TheBunter88 i agree fully, however the only way to end fundamentalism is gradually, you gotta trick them into sticking their foot in the doorway or they will never see the light, and thats why i love ken miller, not to mention he is one hell of a biologist

[ooglebydoogleby]

very good. I don't think there necessarily has to be a conflict between science and faith though considering the quality of the literature that accompanies faith it does require revision. Maybe they should peer review theology come to think of it they probably do.

[ShamWoW5]

Awesome lecture

[kane148]

Great lecture overall, but Miller makes me sad with his insistence on the legitimacy of faith/religion. We believe evolution because there is strong evidence for it, but people who believe that some god put it all together do so purely because they want a comforting fairy tale. There is no evidence for such a creator, just like there is no evidence for an invisible pink unicorn. So of course science isn't in conflict with the idea...but you'd be silly to believe in either!

[hugoloves2spooge]

You have to understand that if a diety were to exist, which I believe, it would be able to develop life in ways, though thought very complex to us, just an atom sized example of it's divine power. Why the proponents of id, aka biblical literalist, try so hard to disprove evolution is not just because they think it's message promotes atheism, but also because if it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt their dogma of 100% literal biblical interpretation goes down the drain. Miller's catholic duty.

[kane148]

That's true, but my point is that if a deity did "develop" evolution, there is no evidence to suggest it. Therefore it is improper to assume that it did happen. If theists/deists want their idea taken seriously, they should demonstrate why we should think that a god created things (even through evolution). Until then, the scientific explanations are perfectly sufficient to explain how we got here by natural means (without any deity).

[Frozenhelfire]

Yes, but he also has to appeal to the religious. I'd rather have them accepting evolution, or at least not pushing to get ID taught in schools, than have this lecture not cater to faith.

[fctchk]

A pity that Mr. Miller's insistence on his skydaddy will keep him out of the science big leagues. Let us find consolation in the likes of him and his fellow skydaddy addict Francis Collins, at least functioning as fine trojan horses that sneak evolution into the religious camp.

[cocopuff239]

greatest speech iv heard in a while

[philnoll]

Wonderful series. I always love it when i find a serious lecture on youtube.

[sandraider56]

i love how ken miller basically points out that the "theory" of intelligent design wasn't intelligently designed.

[cropuless]

haha nice choice of words

[alieales]

LOL funny pic at 5.11

[akschrott]

Thanks alot for sharing this wonderful lecture.

[phalsebob]

It's sad that most of these videos are 3 stars. Have they been hit by vote bots?

[glassbrain]

Yes. I think Thunderf00t has a video about it in the past week.

[TheKilgoretrout]

Thanks DonExodus2  for presenting Ken Miller's lecture. I rated each and every episode as 5 stars.

[cornflakeclusters]

WTF is that at the very end!?

[briham86]

Shit, is that NephilimFree?!?

[cornflakeclusters]

LMFAO, yeah, it looks like him. That guy is a fucking nightmare. I was arguing with him for days, annoying guy.

[kev3d]

Firstly, the cats on Galapagos have a great deal more than grasshoppers to eat; They eat birds, lava lizards, endemic snakes, and young iguanas. Secondly These are no longer domestic cats, but feral. Though 400 years is hardly enough time under that level of selection pressure to observe speciation, but it is long enough to witness species reduction or even extinction. Not all species adapt to new selection pressure (a new predator in this case), hence why 99% of all species are now extinct.

[procommenter]

Your religion is a touchy one. It's always adjusting itself. With such authority do its congregants and brown-nosers apologize for the FACTS: no species has ever been observed "evolving"; no human ancestral relics have held up to scrutiny.

[Jerkix]

As the process takes thousands of years, you have to look for evidence that evolution occurred. For that, we've got the genes AND the fossils to prove it.

And we've observed the evolution (yes observed) of many species, both in the lab and in the wild.

[procommenter]

In the microbial world, and nowhere else, "scientists" have observed adaptation, not evolution.

[Jerkix]

Adaptation is evolution. What's your point? Speciation? We've observed that too - in plants.

Like I mentioned, speciation (we can see evolution) takes a long time frame so we can only look at evidence that it occurred in the past. That evidence in fossils and genetics is irrefutable.

"Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution".

[wildreams]

If u realized, procommentor is simply a cut and paste bot of the creationist propaganda. He dun answer ur questions, just cut and paste a random quote in reply.

[alachabre]

A note to the poster of the video. I had hoped to be able to share this lecture with my granddaughters as they grow and become interested in science. Your little joke at 5:10 makes that problematic if not impossible. Shame on you for your blow against education.

[xVancha]

Or you could just stop the video before 5:10...or find a way to download it and cut that bit out...or any other number of possibilities that would let your daughter view this without seeing such an image.

Still, if your daughter's old enough to appreciate this video, I doubt that picture would phase her at all. Such a thing would be nothing but comical to anyone in their teenage years.

[limetree89]

It is nice to hear from other people who believe the same way I do about the compatibility of God and evolution. I have arrived at this explanation independently, but to have my views corroborated serves to strengthen them for me. Thank you for posting this insightful lecture.

[Nightmare060]

Ken Miller is awsome! He presents all the facts in laymans terms without dumbing them down or misrepresenting them. And he has a good sense of humor too. He is also a perfect example of what religouse people SHOULD be seen as.

[justingaylor]

I also enjoy how he doesn't poke fun at the other side or, in any way, disparage others. By not doing this, he makes it easier for the other side to hear his message.

It's almost like, "Hey everyone! Here's the truth! Come on over and enjoy it with me!"

[AlanCFA]

Most excellent video series. Thanks for putting it together.

But if this is intended to be other than preaching to the choir, if it is meant to help people without an appreciation of evolution understand the theory, then remove the image at 5:10.

The choir knows about the flame war, but the uninitiated do not and the symbolism is rather vulgar. Even to a member of the choir, it feels unseemly.

Otherwise, it is terrific!

[alachabre]

Thanks for that observation, I didn't see it at first, as the lecture is over at that point. It's senseless. The lecture itself is what's terrific, the poster's vulgarity is demeaning only to himself.

[Rugglebum]

While the man presents things wonderfully, how can someone defending the scientific method defend religion? In a complete lack of proof you believe something and stated it as fact. Just goes to show the dogma survives even in the face of reality.

[alachabre]

You've completely missed the point, and I will suggest that you may be just as deeply immersed in your own dogma as those who perpetuate the myths of material gods. I'll elaborate. Dr. Miller is not defending religion, he is rejecting conflict between faith and science. He's made that point abundantly clear. If you persist in seeing the issue as completely black-and-white, you will contribute only to the conflict, and nothing to knowledge.

[Rugglebum]

"You've completely missed the point"

No, I believe you have. My point was to question how someone clearly so grounded in the scientific method of evidence can believe in something without evidence, he is a Catholic by the way. I don't care whether he is actually defending it here, but his belief in it shows he has compartmentalized it from his normal reasoning, like many intelligent religious people do. Ken Miller is a great man, but his dogmatic belief confuses me.

[alachabre]

I understand your confusion, in fact I share it, but the conflict between belief or disbelief in God should not be dragged into the education of our society and the furtherance of the scientific method. That's the whole purpose behind the creationist "wedge" strategy - equate science with atheism. Choosing atheism via rationalism makes logical sense, but need not cloud the pursuit of knowledge. Choosing belief in God is also a personal choice that need not and should not sabotage science.

[pantone204]

Science does not deal with the ORIGIN(S) of life, merely what happened once it got here.

/thread

[cheetmeister]

evolution u mean :D

[pantone204]

Point taken ;)

[secular555]

@pantone204

lolno

Science deals with pretty much anything, via a system of observation and empirical evidence.

Unless you mean evolution.

[pantone204]

@secular555

Yes, I was referring to how it relates to the topic of the video.

Dur.

[flaviusoad]

killed it

[burchdc]

Ken Miller is awesome. This is exactly the kind of thing they should be teaching in Christian schools...not the bass-ackwards myth of Young Earth Creationism.

[MisterEvil1]

At 5:10 ... Don, you're a sick fuck. Brilliant, but sick!

[DonExodus2]

I wouldnt have it any other way :P

[Rko180]

You need to put more tags into this video. It deserves more views.

And for next time, please warn your loving subscribers about 5:10 because that's just wrong.

[thrassian]

I'm really torn, Ken miller is obviously a very talented scientist - but his obvious flair for presenting dry scientific material in such a fascinating manner make me think he is worth as much, if not more, to the scientific community as one of its messengers.

[CDTOE]

Ken Miller has destroyed all the stupid creationists ... in fact , the creation doesn't need for a destroyer , it destroys it self by it self .

[DarwinsChihuahua]

What a great quote there at the end. How inspiring to ... holy shit! ... WTF?!?!?! .... my eyes! ... the goggles do nothing!

[Rko180]

Where the HELL is Milhouse? This is a $1,000,000 scene!

[randompedestrian382]

Ken Miller is a very smart man. Represent.

[crazypianist1234]

The cake is a lie! Anyways, AMAZING PRESENTATION!! I learned soooooo much. Thank you for posting this.

[ClumsyRoot]

Terrific! Thanks for posting.

[Igotnogod]

AAAAHHHH! What was that at the end!?

[DonExodus2]

lol

[Roenazarrek]

Us getting teabd by the don

brilliant.

[Mithcoriel]

Seriously, what was it?

[infidelguy]

I love Ken but man, I wish he would stop saying that there is no conflict between religion and science. There is a conflict depending on how literal one takes one's theology. I got him to admit this on my show with much resistance. He simply doesn't like calling out the fundamentalists, he hopes that the science will speaks for itself I guess.

[MarcinP2]

The more advanced you get in both the less conflict you see. IMO.

Esspecialy cosmology.

[lostn65]

In order to reconcile science with religion, religion has to give way to science, not the other way around. When you do try to reconcile them, you'll find that the religious claims acceptable from the bible shrink and shrink until there's barely anything left. The stuff that is left is untestable and unfalsifiable. Still, Ken is on our side, and he's a great guy. Francis Collins is a bit of a nutjob however.

[sighuponsigh]

Thx for the upload Don. Ken is such a great communicator. Btw, nice pic at the end. Lmao. Good for a chuckle. ^.^

[15963256]

so sad ,this is last part of the lecture :(

[MikeFForever]

i really like your video but i don't like when things pop up...that's really fucked up man

[Inqoinf]

Yeah that last scene scared the shit outta me, i was like AAAAHHHHH WTF DON EXODUS YOU SNEAKY BASTARD!!!!!!!!

Really, I'm glad he uploaded this, it was great... cept that last scene!!

[DonExodus2]

:P .

[DragonDamien]

What...the HELL is going on in 5:11?

[roidroid]

something awesome

[J0hnnyH3mps33d]

I'm a big fan though... and this was an amazing video... and I still love your shit... I'm just saying what I think needs to be said... I won't post anymore here, as I'm not much of a protester (and I love your vidz and dont want you pissed at me)... just wanted to throw it out there... peace... and keep making these videos. its been like 3 days and I am really jonesing...

[DonExodus2]

Hmm... thanks fore the input though.  Perhaps Ill upload an alternate...

[J0hnnyH3mps33d]

I was just thinking, wow, I could send this whole lecture to my dad (an evolution denier, and full-blooded Christian) and it would certainly change his mind about a lot of things... and then all the sudden theres a half naked man in womens lingerie with breast pumps and a phallic joystick... so much for that idea... I gave this file 1 star, and the other 7 files 5 stars... please get rid of that gross picture at the end... it is EXTREMELY UNNECESSARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DonExodus2]

Pfft, come on, its great lol.

[J0hnnyH3mps33d]

well you cant expect a good christian to pass this on to another good christian once they have seen that... I'm not even a christian, and I don't want to pass it on to a christian... youtube videos have a viral nature in that sense, and when you put something unnecessary and offensive in like this, thats like packaging the virus with the vaccine... I'm just saying that this is fine if you're just preaching to the choir, but will do nothing but offend the people who actually need to see/spread it

[qzole]

I agree with J0hnnyH3mps33d

[gr0mithtimon]

pff. you people need to get over yourself. its just a picture.

[Lpoolboy]

I agree.

[dethrockk]

Nice video, once I started watching I couldn't stop until I watched all 8. Thanks

[AnnOnuem75]

Thanks DonExodus2!

It´s allways great to watch Kenn Miller.

Well done!

by the way: Kenn Miller 4 President! ;-)

[bencubed]

Well, just finished all 8.

Bravo and thanks.

Miller is an excellent speaker, logical and convincing.

Hope they do make a dramatic movie about Kitzmiller/Dover for larger release.

And not just movie of the week.

America needs it.

The PBS NOVA from last year was very well done as a documentary.

Europe, as usual, is decades ahead of North America, and gaining.

[FandensOldemoder]

What I really don't understand is how anyone can believe in this "Theory of gravity" - it's only a theory.

[DougIndeap1]

Uh, is there any way or place to get this sans the penultimate image? Funny as it is (and it is) for some in some contexts, it simply doesn't work in others and thus renders the video less useful than it otherwise would be.

[Owm109]

DougIndeap1: Agreed. That's just... yeah... didn't really need to see... nor want to...

It'd lessen the impact if I directed some of the creationists I know to watch this series.

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

Great video series, DonExodus.

I don't really get the thing at the end, but funny nonetheless.

[DonExodus2]

lol, was an Easter egg.

[Gnug215]

Easter egg my butt!

That is the stuff of nightmares!!

AAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

[Pandamonk69]

WTF is that guy doing at the end?

[DonExodus2]

lol

[Pandamonk69]

lol is that you? hahaha

[DonExodus2]

lol ofc not

[Pandamonk69]

ru sure? ahaha. Nah i believe you. thanks for these videos. I'm watching the Nova film now.

[DonExodus2]

Just felt like adding an easter egg.

[svithrir]

Great stuff Don.

Are you going to make a video about Ben Stein's Expelled? I'd be really interested...

[DonExodus2]

If I can get it via torrent.

[born50yearstoolate]

its too bad evolution spent all the time evolving my eyes because after 5:10 i just pulled an oedipus on them.

Awesome presentation though. Ken Miller is just amazing.

[jandrewclark]

I love Miller.

There's three questions:

1. What cause the big bang?

2. What caused organic life to start from the inorganic?

3. Even if these are all agnostic processes as Dawkins believes isn't there still a case for God?

That's the 3 biggest questions I believe are out there.

[ProcInc]

"1. What cause the big bang?"

Nothing really suggests the bb had a 'starting point' the major hypothesis is a constant eternal expansion

. What caused organic life to start from the inorganic?

The building blocks were organic before they were life

"3. Even if these are all agnostic processes as Dawkins believes isn't there still a case for God?"

There would need to be a seperate scientific field for that

[jandrewclark]

1. Constant expansion started with a pregnant atom according to the theory. It's what caused that pregnant atom to become unstable that's at question.

2. Yes, bacteria came here from asteroids, but where did they come from?

3. indeed.

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

jandrewclark,

as to you #2 comment, it isn't proven that bacteria came from an asteroid. Of course, I think it is possible. The question, though, is a very interesting and reasonable question. However, it doesn't entirely matter where 'bacteria' came about(the first things that could even remotely be considered life would be much more simple than bacteria) because the idea of abiogenesis could work on an early earth OR an asteroid or anywhere where the conditions were suitable.

[jandrewclark]

Yes indeed, the asteroid theory is but a theory, however the evidence seems pretty solid at this point.

And I agree, it's the goldilocks range on which it could function, but how does the inorganic become organic and that is the reasonable question that has to be answered. I chuckle at evolutionists who speculate on extra terrestrial influence. If it happened through natural process then it likely happened here and that's where our time should be spent today.

[ScientiaVeritasEtLux]

hi jandrewclark,

I've never heard of an evolutionist speculating on extra-terrestrial influence, but if i did then i too would chuckle, this would demand the question, how did the extra-terrestrials get there?

Abiogenesis is actually much more plausible than it seems at first, especially when you consider the time scale involved. I'll send you a private message with my take on it, where i am not limited to 500 words. ;)

[jandrewclark]

That would be wonderful. Even though I found Ben Stein's new movie to be grossly exaggerated in many respects I did have to chuckle as Dawkins himself postulates the alien theory...and I love Dawkins, but let's be real...it's probably not it.

Whether ID or natural this process has to occur and I want to understand how it does, so anything have to enlighten me would be awesome.

[ProcInc]

Dawkins is not in any way an advocate of Extraterresrial intelligence behind life on earth.

He is most convinced by the clay theory (as am I as the clay is a proven catalyst). I would think Dawkins was speaking ironically or hypothetically (for argument's sake) in regards to "little green men"

[jandrewclark]

The clay theory is an interesting one. It's not very well developed though and certainly is open to a lot of very merited debate. It still leaves the basic argument unanswered.

You'll have to watch the movie. I'm sure it's one of those 19 second clip functions, but it was interesting that Dawkin's mentioned extraterrestrial help, Stein called his bluff and he stuck to it...granted he back tracked from a notion of God, but he stuck to that, which I found odd. I love Dawkins for his honesty

[goneutt]

The cake is a lie.

[Romka1989]

5:10 = DonExodus2

amirite?

[DonExodus2]

rofl

[vlmusicalsound]

What's the picture of? I can't make it out.

[dancingnature]

hypothetical phylogenic tree

[dancingnature]

oh that picture ..id missed it

[Paxmax]

excellent... Ken Miller FTW!!

[Bockatadi]

most excellent vid

[busymartian]

Good point about not pitting evolution against God. Evolution opened my eyes to the truly amazing diversity of life on earth, and we're still discovering new and different organisms today. Seeing God in the flight of a bird or complexity of a cell is great, and inspirational. It just can't be used as a scientific explanation. Lewis Black said that when you combine science and religion, both end up looking silly.

[chstoney]

It depends on your choice. I was not raised in any religion. For me (no offence meant) religion always was fairy-tails and science facts and logic. You really cannot compare those two, but when you do, only one looks silly (for me).

If someone chooses to believe fairy-tails, its his choice. But if he tries to show them equal to science, he inevitalbly ends up looking foolish...

Anyway, Ken Miller is great scientists and I like his lectures very much.

[DeadMindWorking]

chstoney while I think it's awesome that you're flying the atheist flag, would you mind not berating a guy for accepting evolution?

[chstoney]

I did not mean to berate him and I really did not expect my comment to be interpreted this way.

My comment was meant to say the same as his (but from my point of view), to state that I agree with his point of view, but from quite different reasons.

If it sounds offensive in any way, its because of language barrier and the necesary briefness of youtube comments.

[sighuponsigh]

Orly! Wasn't aware fairies had tails. o.o

[chstoney]

Prove they do not :P

[bersaba]

Simple, I asked the spaghetti monster and he told me they don't.

[mikancyclone]

Haven't you ever read Artemis Fowl? It clearly shows that most, if not all types of "fairies" do not have tails, it also shows that only one type still have wings too. Read up on your Fairy Biology, man.

[manan0nim0us4]

Epic set of vids man, epic.

[freedom0f5peech]

Holy crap! What was that still photo at the end! YIKES!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!

[DonExodus2]

lol

[jtyranus]

why would you put in such a horrible picutre?

[DonExodus2]

Because I have a sick sense of humor :P

[freedom0f5peech]

Yes Don, you do... ;P

Great job man!

[zebruh]

Yeah! That was scary! I had to rewind & pause it to see wtf that was. Now if you'll excuse me, I don't feel so good.

:-)

[freedom0f5peech]

God Bless Ken Miller!!!!!!!!

[Roenazarrek]

I just thought of something... Can god bless himself?????

[Rko180]

Perhaps if he sneezes

[Kyon65]

FIrst view :D

Was waiting for this one

[Elcristoph]

I cant belive you actualy posted that as a comment....