The Jesus story is an example of mystery religion. It's a Greek tale of a solar deity born of a virgin who dies for three days and rises on the third. It's astral mythology.
Wow...jesus said some very profound things, didn't he? But u know what ruins all of that jesus meek & mild action? Hell! Hell & Orig. Sin, two concepts that plagued me 4 many years, until I did my own research to understand them. I believe in neither now. If they were true it would make ur god more evil than it already is!
U can't have a god who is all loving & compassionate, oh, and forgiving, then have that same god send ppl 2 hell 4 eternal torment!
Adam's sin was the original for Adam but you have your own choices to make.
God does not anyone to go to Hell and that's why He sent His son to explain the way to eternal life. Why are you angry at God when He gives you a choice live a life of Love and peace?choose wisely my friend.
@SuperTruthlover "Why are you angry at God when He gives you a choice live a life of Love and peace?choose wisely my friend."
On this standard why was Hitler evil ?
He did give everyone a choice to love him and worship him, and he did try and remove those evil jews just like god did all over the OT. (killing people he didn't like).
It's not Hitlers fault if the Europeans and Russians did not want to accept him.
@SuperTruthlover says "Without God your Moral and not high or low ,Just opinions."
Thanks god (ooops), I would find it quite difficult to judge the bible god as moral, I would need to do quite a lot of brainwashing and mirror climbing to justify this character.
you really think you are an expert in regards to the bible.
Why would someone claim to know the mystery of God from what he heard from crazy atheist web sites. How about admiting you don;t understand what the bible teaches since you have not read it nor have any abiltiy to understand events in the OT How about love your nieghbor as yourself
Who are you to say that "God is only as good as His worst deed!" You are so vain, who are you to judge a perfect being? God does NO "worst deed" as you put it, everything God does is pleasing to Him, and anything that God is pleased in is PERFECT. You did no research, you researched just like everyone else, you only justified your beliefs. Shame on you.
even if you were to consider god of some form of energy like electromagnetic force, it would still need to be structured in some way, and it would necessary be so before god could have any capabilities.
As fare as I can see it, we will never have an answer, but it seems unlikely that we can escape from some sort of evolution, its not difficult to believe simple things exist, and we do know that we are only a mixture of chemicals and further down atoms.
To say "there is no proof for God's existence" is illogical because an atheist cannot know all things by which he could state that there is no proof. He can only say he has not yet seen a convincing proof; after all, there may be one he hasn't yet seen.
@SuperTruthlover says "To say "there is no proof for God's existence" is illogical because an atheist cannot know all things by which he could state that there is no proof. He can only say he has not yet seen a convincing proof; after all, there may be one he hasn't yet seen."
Its possible, and thats the door that Dawkins leaves open, but just like you do take a choice in going further believing things without evidence, I do the same.
The concept of a god has no basis whatsoever to me.
@SuperTruthlover says "The evidence is overwhemling you just don't accept any of it."
Your biased conclusions are overwhelming, there is not the slightest bit of evidence.
You have made a choice, similar to a Muslim, a Hindu and others, you are locked into having a belief and your reasoning is biased because you need to warp information to match you religious beliefs no matter what.
@SuperTruthlover says "You choose to remain blind because you love the darkness. "
This is just another biased and offensive bullshit that you Christians feel the right to preach to others.
You haven't even answered my questions about the possibilities of trillions of gods, or that they could wipe themselves out of existence and there are many more.
Science looks at natural phenomena through measuring, weighing, seeing, etc. God, by definition, is not limited to the universe. Therefore, it would not be expected that physical detection of God would be found.
@SuperTruthlover science is simply man trying to give explanations to any phenomena, science can never explain your god because you place definitions of it to such and extend so that no one could possibly prove you wrong.
Its the definitions that have no basis whatsoever, and you have heard this over and over again.
We don't need to detect god because it doesn't exist, god is only your moving point imagination concept, its unreachable.
The universe exists. It is not infinitely old. If it were it would have run out of energy long ago. Therefore, it had a beginning. The universe did not bring itself into existence. Since it was brought into existence by something else, I assert that God is the one who created the universe.
At this point science can never give an answer, for all we could know man life has existed in various forms over and over again in various big bangs, in trillions of universes, there is no way of knowing it.
but nevertheless you prefer to place your god of the gaps above everything and you end up with Mr Jesus dying for my sins !!!
Any unknown structure or laws in science that had to contain or allow the god to exist had to exist before the god or at most had to evolve into existence.
I you think that a god could be made of some unknown stuff, invisible or whatever, if it doesn't have a body or container, than the attractive forces in the stuff are in some way intelligent to get together alone in a structured form to make this god, god depends on some other forces that is not his creation.
.If you say that atheism is supported by the lack of evidence for God, then it is only your opinion that there is no evidence. You cannot know all evidence for or against God, therefore you cannot say there is no evidence for God.
@SuperTruthlover say "If you say that atheism is supported by the lack of evidence ..... You cannot know all evidence for or against God, therefore you cannot say there is no evidence for God."
Technically you are correct, nevertheless I still do hold the belief that a god is impossible, if I'm wrong, I'm fucked, too bad, I take my responsibilities.
But you are in an even worse situation than me, I don't force myself to believe bullshit for fear or whatever, I accept that I cannot believe.
Don't you ever use logic? Just blind faith in atheism you obtained form the bible.
All things that came into existence were caused to exist. You cannot have an infinite regression of causes (otherwise an infinity of time has been crossed which is impossible because an infinity cannot be crossed). Therefore, logically, there must be a single uncaused cause that did not come into existence.
I'm sorry, but infinite regression dismantles your god concept.
We have no way of knowing these things, so only theories are possible, any theistic answer is worth nothing.
To believe that everything needs a cause, even molecule formations, and end up with an all powerful thing and all knowing always existing is insane, no augments are possible.
Why don't you accept trillions of small gods working together ?
Ok are you saying something cause the big bang now?
I can no more prove to you that God is real than I can prove to you that I love my family. If you are convinced I don't love my family, no matter what I say or do will be dismissed by you as invalid. It is your presuppositions that are the problem, not whether or not God exists.
@SuperTruthlover says "Ok are you saying something cause the big bang now?"
its more likely and its possible from inside itself.
Is it possible that something that you might cause god, caused the big bang by mistake and wiped itself out of existence ?
No!! because you moving point definition of a god does not allow for this, god is all knowing, all powerful, all loving, beautiful with blond hair and one million blue eyes and any other bullshit you would like to add that no one could argue.
@SuperTruthlover says "God is spirit and not with a human form.
apprerance does not matter"
you have no proof for, but you declare it as a definition.
Whatever you want it to be, unknown invisible something needs a structure to be able to be intelligent and produce force, otherwise its nothing.
it could be equivalent to an electromagnetic force, but if it produces work like thoughts, communications, and brain work, it needs some sort of unknown structure there before its own existence.
How about answering some of the questions you have been evading ?
Everything can be broken down into smaller and simple elements, we are all made of the some elements, so I don't see any other way but to work upwards, I see evidence for some form of "evolution".
Its impossible for me to force a belief onto myself, I could say whatever makes people happy to hear, it might better my social living, but its fooling myself.
You cannot invent a definition of a god apply any rule to it and expect it to be the truth.
If god is all knowing and all intelligent, one could wonder how this is possible, intelligence is a process of a substance that has structure, data storage, results, procedures, conditions, etc, all this in much more needs a form of container and a structure, if you think its always existed then I don't see why one could not come up with anything that has always existed.
Atheism is an intellectual position. What reasons do you have for holding that position? Your reasons are based upon logic and/or evidence or lack of it. So, is there any reason/evidence for you holding your position that you defend?
@SuperTruthlover says "Atheism is an intellectual position. What reasons do you have for holding that position?"
My atheism started when I didn't even know the word existed, the bible alone made me an atheist.
I was brainwashed with religion and had it compulsory for all my school life, at 14 It was already clear to me that it was all bullshit, I came out 30 years later, and I then started searching internet and discovered the big bang theory and evolution and that I wasn't the only atheist-
If you say that atheism needs no evidence or reason, then you are holding a position that has no evidence or rational basis? If so, then isn't that simply faith?
If you believe the healing stories, on what grounds might you reject the miraculous workings of Sai Baba - witnessed by many thousands and still living??????
Neither of these is the case. Archaeologists and historians have confirmed the falling of the walls of Jericho, the existence of King Davids palace, Nehemiahs Wall, Jesus crucifixion, Pauls shipwreck off the coast of Malta, the existence of Pontius Pilate, the existence of Caiaphas, the Jewish High Priest, references to Assyrian kings, Sennacheribs siege of Jerusalem and on and on and on.
Try to understand truth if you can dumb ass!! But the truth is that the theory cannot make useful predictions. Skell notes this failure of Darwinism:
For instance, we cannot rely upon ruminations about the fossil record to lead us to a prediction of the evolution of the ambient flu virus so that we can prepare the vaccine today for next years more virulent strain. That would be like depending upon our knowledge of ancient Hittite economics to understand 21st-century economics.
okhe are the facts evolution is a testable proven fact the theory explains all the facts. there has been no peer review papers disproving evolution not one but there are thousands proving evolution these are the facts. if one or a hundred scientist say evolution is wrong then here is how it works they publish they findings and hypothesis it is then reviewed by the scientific community as a whole if it is valid then it is excepted as factual if not they will point out the problems.
i put a special video on my channel just for you. i i challenge you to go to aaronra channel cdk007 thunderfoot channel or any of the science guys on youtube please tell me which one ill i would like you to put all the same stuff you put down here on anyone of those guys vids pick anyone. if you what to talk religion Taylorx04 he is a preachers son and well versed in the bible or profMTH. please tell me which vid and channel i will love to see that. since you know better then science.
Useful predictions beased on the theory of evolution:
> Introducing a predator into an enviornment where other lifefroms have not evolved alongside it will result in drastic reductions of native populations (of both prey and competing predators).
> Widespread use of antibiotics will have the effect of killing off the drug-susceptible pathogens in the population, leaving mostly the rare drug-resistant mutants. This new selective pressure will dramatically alter the pathogen population.
Not all of those assumptions are made. In fact, none of them are. The first two are the reason experiments are tested over and over again. As for that third one, it may interest you to know that Newtonian physics, for example, is considered wrong on thequantum level -- the cutting edge of science. Plus, just because previous scientists made mistakes doesn't mean they didnt have a valid idea -- this principle is used all the time.
@SuperTruthlover says: "Atheists are the most susceptible to believing that science can and will tell us all things valuable. "
Atheist could also consider that they couldn't care less if they don't have the answer, but would never take a book written two thousand years ago by ignorant beduins as a science book.
Paul wrote most of the New testament and he was a highly educated man as one can see by the books he wrote. He was a Roman Citizen and sat at the greatest teachers of his day. Luke Who wrote the book by his name and Acts was a Doctor. It seems you are the ignorant one
It's all so clear, he even put his signature on them all.
Schooling was nothing like the ones we have today, a doctor (alchemist or whatever) could even be an illiterate.
an infant school boy knows more of the human body.
It's strange that god or Jesus didn't explain to these intelligent people something better about science and medical issues, instead we had to wait thousands of years, with the suffering and deaths of hundreds of millions of people.
Jesus was here to tell us about enternal life and not to teach a science class.
Why do you believe anyone would have listened to him about medical science anyway. Also the bible is just large enough that we can read the whole thing without exstream effort. You are making excuses. You said "ignorant beduins" and know you won't admit your error. silly athiest fool
Jesus cured men, why didn't he teach them how to do it, instead we had to wait thousands of years untill some evil men invented some good medicine and destroyed our loving gods plan to make us suffer.
@SuperTruthlover says "You seem to think giving people enternal peace is worthless if they get sick."
My father suffered 30 days, screaming with pain, it was more than sufficient for him to have me by his side, never even once did he mention Jesus or a god.
STL says "Jesus healed people to show everybody who He really was,God"
Silly tricks, it would have been better if he left something really useful like how to cue people, but then he could have avoided creating sickness in the first place.
I am sorry that your father never had the peace of God in his suffering.
Perhaps you father could have been healed on day one if he had but asked God to heal him with a sincere heart. God.
"it would have been better if he left something really useful like how to cue people" not sure what you mean but you forget that God gave men the wisdom to find cures for mores things everyday. Men have prayed to God for wisdom to cure Polio for example and those prayed were answered. Peace
Who cares about your fairy tale, he did very well without your Mr Jesus thank you, and he had to go with great pain because the power is in the hand of the Jesus followers that don't believe in a dignity death.
You are just mirror climbing to defend at all costs this insane game of god inventing bacteria and diseases and man having to find ways themselves to go along, leaving billions of dead behind them.
I could never follow this god, and I'm glad he doesn't exist.
Why these fools debate the concepts of a hell they hope does not exist cracks me up.
Thanks for the big laugh. The ideal that our choices matter helps those that accept the love of God. Hell make no difference to those that live in darkness and it is something to be mocked by them. If I had the chance to see their faces when they learn the TRUTH it would be hard not to laugh and say "whose mocking now" LOL Peace man!
I'm wondering if you say these things to convince yourself.
You should try and smile sometimes, I really feel sorry for you, you don't look very happy, you should try kicking jesus out of your life for a month, relax and take it easy.
The Joy of the Lord keeps my strong don't you know.
Why feel sorry for someone who has peace and blessings from God everyday.
God has revealed Himself to me and I have accepted Jesus into my heart.
No worries no hate or stress.
You are the one that finds it hard to be happy. If I were you I would never bother with poeple the know what they believe. Thats like me protesting Harry potter.LOL
@saintpine Atheists have taken a philosophical stance that prevents them from experiencing all of life, a life where 95% of the people in the world intuitively understand that there is more going on that what meets the eye.
We know that whatever Caused the coming into being of the universe existed beyond and outside of time, space, matter and the laws of physics.
Wishful thinking, it would take nothing for a god to prove himself.
I prefer to believe that there are trillions of trillions of gods, each human cell is a god, intelligent that communicates with gods besides them to control the human body and brain.
@SuperTruthlover says "Now you are hearing voices in your head. See a doctor
Leave the adult conversation to adults."
How can you say a thing like that, your should have left the god and jesus stories with Santa clause when you where a kid, buy you like to carry on with the spooky stories of Holy Spirits and red whine still today, stop whoreshiping a fiction male, there is no hell, no one is going to stuff a rod up your backside and but you on the grill.
no one is going to stuff a rod up your backside and but you on the grill.
So then now that we have established I will not be going to hell. SWEET
Let go back to my question about the big bang.
Who was the big banger.?
We know the big bang occured and the universe is spreading out at a certain rate. BTW is the exspandtion was any faster or slower scientist say life could not exist. Rather well done by the Big Banger i would say.
If I don't know the answer I admit it, I don't fill the gaps with ridiculous fairy tale gods.
Why do you accept some science as dogmatic truth without doubt and other as bullshit, does you method of judgement depend exclusively on if its convenient for your fairy tale ?
If everything needs a cause, then so does your god, you cannot make up a definition and expect everyone to accept it as a dogmatic truth.
you did not appear to understand the correct use of the word dogma, which is a belief that cannot be doubted. you did apprehend this in a vague sort of way but since you thought that all religious beliefs were without foundation, you used the word the way you thought about it, not as most of the world does, and simply applied it to me. wrong
If I don't know the answer I admit it, I don't fill the gaps with ridiculous fairy tale gods.
Well since you are completely ignorant of what caused the Big Bang and I have the truth that makes logical sense to anyone that will at least consider God a possible cause of the universe, You are the one being Dogmatic about rejecting God as an answer. So narrow mindedm having no ability to see beyond what you already accept as truth. You don't know much yet think you know all. SAD
@SuperTruthlover says "You are the one being Dogmatic about rejecting God as an answer. So narrow mindedm having no ability to see beyond what you already accept as truth. You don't know much yet think you know all. SAD"
Why are you so narrow minded to consider only one god and only your god, its a belief like any other, that has no possible way of proving it unless god comes out.
Its a fairy tale like anyone could invent.
Things are too complicated to understand and you end up with Jesus!!!!
If you say that atheism needs no evidence to support it because it is a position about the lack of something, then do you have other positions you hold based upon lack of evidence...like say, screaming blue ants? Do you hold the position that they do not exist or that you lack belief in them, too?
@SuperTruthlover says "Do you hold the position that they do not exist or that you lack belief in them, too?"
Well I could believe that there are trillions and trillions of gods, there is no evidence against it, and it holds a stronger evidence than your bible god.
Can you deny that every single cell in our body knows where to go and what to do ?
Can you deny that it could be trillions of gods that interact with each other to control our body and mind ?
@saintpine If something cannot bring itself into existence, then God cannot exist since something had to bring God into existence. Answer: Not so. You cannot have an infinite regression of causes lest an infinity be crossed (which cannot happen). Therefore, there must be a single uncaused, cause
@SuperTruthlover says "Therefore, there must be a single uncaused, cause"
If there must be a single uncaused, cause it its ridiculous to think that it must be so powerful and all knowing, you are inventing a definition that has no possible proof to it, the idea is insane, but you think that people should accept it as a dogma, because there is no possible explanation for it.
How do you account for the laws of logic in a universe without God? The laws of logic are conceptual by nature and absolute. Being absolute, they transcend space and time. They are not the properties of the physical universe (since they are conceptual) or of people (since people contradict each other, which would mean they weren't absolute). So, how do you account for them?
@SuperTruthlover says "How do you account for the laws of logic in a universe without God?"
I don't see what it has to do with a god, could you elaborate. it sounds like you are creating other definitions for your god of the gaps and expect it to be obvious and dogmatic.
Does your god demand morality because its morally right or is it morally right because god demands it ?
In the first case morality exists without gods intervention, in the second case if god order murder it would be moral.
.Everything that was brought into existence was caused to exist. Can you have an infinite regression of causes? No, since to get to "now" you'd have to traverse an infinite past. It seems that there must be a single uncaused cause. Why can't that be God?
@SuperTruthlover says "t seems that there must be a single uncaused cause. Why can't that be God?"
Lets follow your logic ?
Why cannot it not be trillions of gods ?
Why must it be all powerful ? why could they not have worked for trillions of years, making mistakes and all over the many universes, and we are just a by product.
it I would have to believe in a deity, I see no reason why it should be the maximum in everything.
you said in my channel " WHat disease did God invent ?
Not a one of them came from God. You assume everything Bad is from God and everything Good is by your own hand. Sad, News flash you are not God and have not the slightest idea of the nature of God.
" a dignity death" whats that?
Is that code for susicide? I hope you did not tell your dad to kill himself.
Why do all you insane atheist say God is evil when you have no infomation about Him. Me thinks you protest too much
For example, physicist Victor Stenger states, “So where did the laws of physics come from? They came from NOTHING.” That is the logic and reason of atheism. Smithsonian paleobiologist, Douglas Erwin, “One of the RULES of science is, no miracles allowed. That’s a FUNDAMENTAL PRESUMPTION of what we do.” Biologist Barry Palevitz, Astronomer and physicist Lee Smoin "If the universe started at a point in time, this leaves the door open for a return of religion
@SuperTruthlover says "You are a blind man so it is funny to hear you say what the bible clearly says."
Why don't you use simular phrases from other garbage books you reject, and you will understand why it makes you look ridiculous and makes me smile to hear similar bullshit.
Bacteria are gods angels, every human has trillions of gods in his body the bacteria are the angels and the devils.
Think big man, its ridiculous to think that only one god could exist, he plays with some chemicals, causes a big bang and wipes himself out of existence ?
If you suppose there must be a creator, why should it be only one ? and why your fairy tale god ?
I find it obvious that there are trillions of gods, even your god admits it, like the bible says "Do not have any other gods before me.", it doesn't say "there are no other gods".
The trillion gods are incapable of getting on together.
@SuperTruthlover says: Jesus was here to tell us about enternal life and not to teach a science class.
Well in that case Jesus came to tell us about and eternal lie, because there is no eternal life, and if he had at least some basic science or medical information to give us, billions of people would have had a better life with far less suffering.
Jesus provides an abuntant life of peace and Joy. You discount how important it is to have a life without the need to worry and with no hate and judgement of others. You merely complain Jesus did not at least give people some basic science or medical information. Well there are alot of healthy people that have no peace and hate their follow man. Life is more than knowing what makes you fat or if coffee is good for you. Coffee is good btw .LOL
Examples you say? Freud,Kinsey, Mead, Rand, Haeckel, Galton, Skinner. Or how about East Asian cloning.Or maybe you prefer The Secret Gospel of Mark which turned out to be written by Columbia University historian Morton Smith. Or the common textbook icons of Darwinian evolution in action that have all been discredited:
. Mutant four winged fruit flies that are in reality dysfunctional, and
. Peppered moths that in the real world don't rest on tree trunks; the photographs were staged.
ok since you went on saying evolution has been discredited you are now in my stupid category. all biology is based of evolutionary theory all the drugs and medicine we have are based on the theory. so this is over because you are a retarded and much to thick for me to reach. oh i know you also think we lived with dinosaurs and the earth is 6000 years old.
all biology is based of evolutionary theory all the drugs
Get real man not one single drug has been has been based on evolution theory because the theory goes against what we see in science. Thing break down and don't become more complex.
you fucking retard you are talking about the law of thermodynamics and i can see you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. here is a fucking clue the the law of thermodynamics states all things in a CLOSED system will break down. WE DON'T LIVE IN A CLOSED SYSTEM WE HAVE THE SUN GIVING US ENERGY YOU FREAKING RETARD! THE SUN FEEDS THE THE PLANTS WITH LIFE GIVING ENERGY THE PLANTS GIVE OF H20 AND ANIMALS EAT PLANTS WE EAT ANIMALS AND PLANTS. YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID.
AND YES ALL BIOLOGY IS BASED OF THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION LIKE WHEN VIRUSES MUTATE AND EVOLVE. ok no more caps. you make me so made because no one could be this stupid could they. for your information evolution is proven by paleontology you the fossil record and yes we have tons of transitional forms. genetics geology as we can predict what we will find in what layer of what rock strata. you are an epic retard on every aspect of science and history.
Atheism makes a blanket assumption about ALL religions and teaches that once you come to a realization that religion doesn't always allow for logic, People can follow the beliefs of Atheism blindly and, instead of thinking for themselves, become brainwashed accepting the Atheism world view without ever questioning or open mindedly considering the alternatives. Just are there are extremist, fundamentalist religious people in the world today, there are also extremist, fundamentalist Atheist.
WTF are you talking about atheism is just the lack of belief in a god or gods thats it. it says nothing about anything else. you piss me off because i was nice to i pointed you to some info i asked you to watch it then make up your mind you then went on a copy and past tangent from all the apologist you could find.and if i remember correctly you were calling me names from the start now your pissed i finally had enough of you.
Examining the major advances in biological knowledge, one fails to find any real connection between biological history and the experimental designs that have produced todays cornucopia of knowledge of how the great variety of living organisms perform their functions. It is our knowledge of how these organisms actually operate, not speculations about how they may have arisen millions of years ago, that is essential to doctors, veterinarians, farmers and other practitioners of biological science.
Experimental science, in biology has dramatically increased our understanding of the intricate workings within living organisms that account for their survival.
These advances, however, have little or nothing to do with explanations of Darwinian origins. They are not due to studies of an organisms ancestors that are recovered from fossil deposits. The study of fossils cannot reveal the details that made these amazing living organisms function. Skell summarizes the point:
high school biology textbooks that neglect to mention that the beaks of Darwins Finches returned to normal after the rains returned. No net evolution occurred.
Or how about Miller & Oparin creating life out of primordial earths ammonia, methane and hydrogen?
Of course the main reason that we shouldnt naively believe in scientism is that scientism itself cannot be proven by science
But that doesnt stop atheists, for science is all theyve got. Well, that and an incredible faith.
Biologists investigation of DNA has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce [life], that intelligence must have been involved. It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism.
no they dont you are wrong. the leading guy who does genetic research is also on my page and he testified against intelligent design and he is a theist. you are hopeless. all this info is there for you if would just look at it. hear what the scientist say not apologetic s say about science.if you don't look at the real evidence just the spin on it you will always fail on this.
What makes the stories in the bible believable to you?
I asked this because the story you just read has every nuance of Aesop's Fables.
When I was a child in church, I always wondered; if there the crowd was so large that they couldn't even get to the house... how did they get on the roof?
That and every other element of the story makes it obvious that it is just a story.
So seriously, What makes the stories in the bible believable to you?
dude you're a douchebag, the bible was written by people who wish to control the minds of the weak.
any reference or passages from the bible are as realistic as reading me lord of the rings!! just get on with your life and be happy? is that to much to ask?
they found. the best part was that there was a question on the site and it asked if the dead sea scrolls said woman instead of virgin you now how Mathew quotes it in Issiah and they said yes it does say woman not virgin i had known this before but the even put the word up there for all to see and then go on to say there is no prophecy in the OT about jesus. lol you are making your self look silly reciting the apologetic stuff i have heard it before and its been debunked over and over.
The Scriptures were written by over 40 different authors, over a period of approximately 1,500 years.These authors not only lived in different time periods, but were also in totally different cultures, living in totally different environments, over 3 different continents, in a wide variety of occupations. Yet, miraculously, all the books of Scripture are in complete unity and agreement, revealing the Nature of God, man and his relationship to God, and how God planned to restore that relationship
So, is the Bible really all that accurate? You've head it before. Maybe it's by friends or a teacher....but, you've heard it: "Sure the Bible is a good book, but, it's got mistakes." Well, take a look at the evidence and decide for yourself. With regards to the Old Testament, the Jewish copyists of the Hebrew Scriptures had to follow strict rules:
Each copy had to be written in a certain number of columns of 30 letters width and with a certain number of lines to each column.
yes the old testament is more accurate in its copying but if you know anything about the dead sea scrolls then you would know these are hte oldest old testement writings and the are not the same ans the old testament writing we have today.again do your own research but look at the evidence not what some apologetic say about them. they have an agenda to make you believe. historians only are interested in history and what really happened no preconceived ideas about it.
The Jesus story is an example of mystery religion. It's a Greek tale of a solar deity born of a virgin who dies for three days and rises on the third. It's astral mythology.
ArthurDentz 1 year ago
You said "I am the son of man" which you were saying what Jesus said.
TogetherFinding 1 year ago
fat jesus?
slipknot0369 1 year ago
Why no more miracles Jack. We could both use one.
ChipZilla69 1 year ago
your fucking brainwashed just like you muslim counterparts
racist123 1 year ago
@racist123 every brain needs a good washing from time to time :) lol
TogetherForPeace 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace No.
Colinski03 1 year ago
@TogetherForPeace why on earth would a brain need washing? Surely things fade or shrink in the wash?
biggingerdude 8 months ago
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stop worshiping the creation people
i have found truth in Islam. Dont judge Islam from fox news (media). Read it from the original source.
in conclusion, "whomsoever god guides no one can misguide whomsoever god misguides no one can guide"
btw jesus is the most quotes prophet in the quran
imjohn007 1 year ago
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stop worshiping the creation people
i have found truth in Islam. Dont judge Islam from fox news (media). Read it from the original source.
in conclusion, "whomsoever god guides no one can misguide whomsoever god misguides there is no one to guide"
btw jesus is the most quotes prophet in the quran
imjohn007 1 year ago
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imjohn007 1 year ago
Wow...jesus said some very profound things, didn't he? But u know what ruins all of that jesus meek & mild action? Hell! Hell & Orig. Sin, two concepts that plagued me 4 many years, until I did my own research to understand them. I believe in neither now. If they were true it would make ur god more evil than it already is!
U can't have a god who is all loving & compassionate, oh, and forgiving, then have that same god send ppl 2 hell 4 eternal torment!
God is only as good as his worst deed!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@Cootabux
So hell frightens you cooota
and original sin has you confused.
Don't worry I can help you
You are only responsible for you OWN sin .
Adam's sin was the original for Adam but you have your own choices to make.
God does not anyone to go to Hell and that's why He sent His son to explain the way to eternal life. Why are you angry at God when He gives you a choice live a life of Love and peace?choose wisely my friend.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover "Why are you angry at God when He gives you a choice live a life of Love and peace?choose wisely my friend."
On this standard why was Hitler evil ?
He did give everyone a choice to love him and worship him, and he did try and remove those evil jews just like god did all over the OT. (killing people he didn't like).
It's not Hitlers fault if the Europeans and Russians did not want to accept him.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
God tells you to live a holy pure life so that you may live.
The Jews had no choice to love or worship hitler fool.
Hitler Kills the Jews and Christians because God's people were an offence to Him.
Why do you say the Jews were evil?
Sound racist to me.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "Why do you say the Jews were evil?
Sound racist to me."
Hitler believes it, he is the the god that everyone had the choice to worship or die, who are you to question his rights to wipe out the Jews ?
Whats the difference between Hitler and God ?
or any other dictator or totalitarian government ?
Others had the choice to love and obey Hitler or die, what about this ?
Hitler was a Catholic,he wiped out whoever when in his way, Christian or not, God can, and so did he.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
All you atheist dumb asses always claim Hitler was a Catholic merely because he had water spinkled on his head as a baby.
How many atheist have had the same thing done to them and are not catholics in the least. Water does not make someone a catholic fool.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "Water does not make someone a catholic fool."
I'm sure it doesn't make them an atheist, at most a bad catholic.
How dare you say Hitler was not a Catholic, he worshiped god everyday and god told him to wipe out the Jews.
How can you prove this wrong ?
You have no way, simply because in many places in the bible, god orders the death on people, this means he is perfectly capable of violence.
You might be afraid to judge his actions, but you cannot deny that he does it.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
he worshiped god everyday and god told him to wipe out the Jews.
that is so silly of you to say
Sure Hitler was killing God's chosen people by order of God.
You atheists are so relgious about your faith in Hitler being a child of God you just look like fools
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "that is so silly of you to say "
I know its silly, but why should you not believe it if god did this quite often in the OT ?
For all I could know, Hitler was acting in the name of your god.
I cannot accept Hitler according to my subjective morality, and nether could I accept your god.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
God did what in the OT that hitler also did?
Are you now claiming to believe in the events from the old test.
I thought your world veiw did not include a belief in the word of God.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
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@SuperTruthlover
I've had enough of you bullshit, thank you, you know perfectly well what I'm talking about.
saintpine 1 year ago
@Cootabux says "God is only as good as his worst deed!"
I agree. any man that saves thousands of lives will end up in jail for having killed only one, and I agree with this.
BUt god gets another treatment, he's the boss, and who are we to judge.
This could be acceptable as long as we don't want to convince ourselfves that this is a high moral standard.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Without God your Moral and not high or low ,Just opinions.
Love your neighbor as yourself is very moral.
How can you judge a document before you read it.
How can you understand something spiritual when you are spiritually dead.
First repent and than you will be able to believe.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "Without God your Moral and not high or low ,Just opinions."
Thanks god (ooops), I would find it quite difficult to judge the bible god as moral, I would need to do quite a lot of brainwashing and mirror climbing to justify this character.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Where do you get your standard for moral?
You think you are able to judge God!!
You really think you know all things and therefore are able to judge any man much less God. What a fool
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
I most probably get my morals from my catholic parents, but I really doubt they get it from god.
You must be quite sick to be able to justify all the massacres god does in the OT and still insist that he is moral.
Does god orders morality because it good, or whatever he orders becomes by definition moral ?
saintpine 1 year ago
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@saintpine
get my morals from my catholic parents,
you really think you are an expert in regards to the bible.
Why would someone claim to know the mystery of God from what he heard from crazy atheist web sites. How about admiting you don;t understand what the bible teaches since you have not read it nor have any abiltiy to understand events in the OT How about love your nieghbor as yourself
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@Cootabux
Who are you to say that "God is only as good as His worst deed!" You are so vain, who are you to judge a perfect being? God does NO "worst deed" as you put it, everything God does is pleasing to Him, and anything that God is pleased in is PERFECT. You did no research, you researched just like everyone else, you only justified your beliefs. Shame on you.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
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@ItsSolaFide
you only justified your beliefs. Shame on you.
Well said concerning Cootabutt,
The guy is a broken record saying the standard atheist religion dogmas
he was relgious himself until someone died after the people at his church prayed for her. Silly man with no shame or logic
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
even if you were to consider god of some form of energy like electromagnetic force, it would still need to be structured in some way, and it would necessary be so before god could have any capabilities.
As fare as I can see it, we will never have an answer, but it seems unlikely that we can escape from some sort of evolution, its not difficult to believe simple things exist, and we do know that we are only a mixture of chemicals and further down atoms.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
To say "there is no proof for God's existence" is illogical because an atheist cannot know all things by which he could state that there is no proof. He can only say he has not yet seen a convincing proof; after all, there may be one he hasn't yet seen.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "To say "there is no proof for God's existence" is illogical because an atheist cannot know all things by which he could state that there is no proof. He can only say he has not yet seen a convincing proof; after all, there may be one he hasn't yet seen."
Its possible, and thats the door that Dawkins leaves open, but just like you do take a choice in going further believing things without evidence, I do the same.
The concept of a god has no basis whatsoever to me.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine but just like you do take a choice in going further believing things without evidence
The evidence is overwhemling you just don't accept any of it.
I believe because of the evidence God has revealed to me and you.
You choose to remain blind because you love the darkness. Sad state to be in but I will pray for your eyes to be opened. peace
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "The evidence is overwhemling you just don't accept any of it."
Your biased conclusions are overwhelming, there is not the slightest bit of evidence.
You have made a choice, similar to a Muslim, a Hindu and others, you are locked into having a belief and your reasoning is biased because you need to warp information to match you religious beliefs no matter what.
saintpine 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "You choose to remain blind because you love the darkness. "
This is just another biased and offensive bullshit that you Christians feel the right to preach to others.
You haven't even answered my questions about the possibilities of trillions of gods, or that they could wipe themselves out of existence and there are many more.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Science looks at natural phenomena through measuring, weighing, seeing, etc. God, by definition, is not limited to the universe. Therefore, it would not be expected that physical detection of God would be found.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover science is simply man trying to give explanations to any phenomena, science can never explain your god because you place definitions of it to such and extend so that no one could possibly prove you wrong.
Its the definitions that have no basis whatsoever, and you have heard this over and over again.
We don't need to detect god because it doesn't exist, god is only your moving point imagination concept, its unreachable.
saintpine 1 year ago
A few other questions ?
Is it possible that gods do not show themselves because they made a mistake, caused the big bang and wiped themselves out of existence ?
It could be sad for you, but it is possible ?
Why don't you answer the question about intelligence needing a container and a structure to be there before intelligence could exist ?
So of whatever unknown product god is made of, it needs to be in some form or structure otherwise its nothing.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
The universe exists. It is not infinitely old. If it were it would have run out of energy long ago. Therefore, it had a beginning. The universe did not bring itself into existence. Since it was brought into existence by something else, I assert that God is the one who created the universe.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "the universe exists.."
At this point science can never give an answer, for all we could know man life has existed in various forms over and over again in various big bangs, in trillions of universes, there is no way of knowing it.
but nevertheless you prefer to place your god of the gaps above everything and you end up with Mr Jesus dying for my sins !!!
And all this seems logical to you.
You're welcome.
Why do you evade my questions ?
I answer every your question
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Why do you evade my questions ?
I answer every your question
saying you don;t know is not really an answer about a simple question regarding what causes big bangs
When you say you can't know something and then say you KNOW it is not God that seem like knowing to me.
You want to put you whole life on ignorance that's your right
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "Why do you evade my questions ?
I answer every your question "
Come on, if you uncapable of spotting all the question marks, than whats the use going on with this exchange of views.
saintpine 1 year ago
Any unknown structure or laws in science that had to contain or allow the god to exist had to exist before the god or at most had to evolve into existence.
I you think that a god could be made of some unknown stuff, invisible or whatever, if it doesn't have a body or container, than the attractive forces in the stuff are in some way intelligent to get together alone in a structured form to make this god, god depends on some other forces that is not his creation.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
.If you say that atheism is supported by the lack of evidence for God, then it is only your opinion that there is no evidence. You cannot know all evidence for or against God, therefore you cannot say there is no evidence for God.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover say "If you say that atheism is supported by the lack of evidence ..... You cannot know all evidence for or against God, therefore you cannot say there is no evidence for God."
Technically you are correct, nevertheless I still do hold the belief that a god is impossible, if I'm wrong, I'm fucked, too bad, I take my responsibilities.
But you are in an even worse situation than me, I don't force myself to believe bullshit for fear or whatever, I accept that I cannot believe.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Don't you ever use logic? Just blind faith in atheism you obtained form the bible.
All things that came into existence were caused to exist. You cannot have an infinite regression of causes (otherwise an infinity of time has been crossed which is impossible because an infinity cannot be crossed). Therefore, logically, there must be a single uncaused cause that did not come into existence.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
I'm sorry, but infinite regression dismantles your god concept.
We have no way of knowing these things, so only theories are possible, any theistic answer is worth nothing.
To believe that everything needs a cause, even molecule formations, and end up with an all powerful thing and all knowing always existing is insane, no augments are possible.
Why don't you accept trillions of small gods working together ?
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
You dont use science or logic in your arguements so I really can't help you see truth.
There are laws of science and logic that cannot be broken and you merely say they don't exist. Strange world you live in that is not based in reality.
No wonder you deny God since you deny reality. Good luck with that
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "You dont use science or logic in your arguements so I really can't help you see truth."
But you are convinced you do ?
Try and place a bit of logic in the various questions you have been evading ?
Why not trillions of god ?
Why is someone was the cause and not something ?
Why must it be super all knowing and all powerful, and not small and has trillions of years to work it self up ?
Why your god ?
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Why is someone was the cause and not something
Ok are you saying something cause the big bang now?
I can no more prove to you that God is real than I can prove to you that I love my family. If you are convinced I don't love my family, no matter what I say or do will be dismissed by you as invalid. It is your presuppositions that are the problem, not whether or not God exists.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "Ok are you saying something cause the big bang now?"
its more likely and its possible from inside itself.
Is it possible that something that you might cause god, caused the big bang by mistake and wiped itself out of existence ?
No!! because you moving point definition of a god does not allow for this, god is all knowing, all powerful, all loving, beautiful with blond hair and one million blue eyes and any other bullshit you would like to add that no one could argue.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
God is spirit and not with a human form.
apprerance does not matter
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "God is spirit and not with a human form.
apprerance does not matter"
you have no proof for, but you declare it as a definition.
Whatever you want it to be, unknown invisible something needs a structure to be able to be intelligent and produce force, otherwise its nothing.
it could be equivalent to an electromagnetic force, but if it produces work like thoughts, communications, and brain work, it needs some sort of unknown structure there before its own existence.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
There is a world don't understand because of your blindness.
I never said I had proof. just evidence
SWEET
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
How about answering some of the questions you have been evading ?
Everything can be broken down into smaller and simple elements, we are all made of the some elements, so I don't see any other way but to work upwards, I see evidence for some form of "evolution".
Its impossible for me to force a belief onto myself, I could say whatever makes people happy to hear, it might better my social living, but its fooling myself.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine I see evidence for some form of "evolution".
Its impossible for me to force a belief onto myself,
You forse yourself to beleve it is impossible for God to exist.
Seek the truth and the truth will set you free.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
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@SuperTruthlover says "Seek the truth and the truth will set you free."
You're right, as soon as I knew the truth, my life changed, I really do feel true.
Why don't you try it.
saintpine 1 year ago
You cannot invent a definition of a god apply any rule to it and expect it to be the truth.
If god is all knowing and all intelligent, one could wonder how this is possible, intelligence is a process of a substance that has structure, data storage, results, procedures, conditions, etc, all this in much more needs a form of container and a structure, if you think its always existed then I don't see why one could not come up with anything that has always existed.
cont..
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Atheism is an intellectual position. What reasons do you have for holding that position? Your reasons are based upon logic and/or evidence or lack of it. So, is there any reason/evidence for you holding your position that you defend?
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "Atheism is an intellectual position. What reasons do you have for holding that position?"
My atheism started when I didn't even know the word existed, the bible alone made me an atheist.
I was brainwashed with religion and had it compulsory for all my school life, at 14 It was already clear to me that it was all bullshit, I came out 30 years later, and I then started searching internet and discovered the big bang theory and evolution and that I wasn't the only atheist-
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
If you say that atheism needs no evidence or reason, then you are holding a position that has no evidence or rational basis? If so, then isn't that simply faith?
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "unfortunately I'm not a god, so I do not have the answers for everything, but I refuse to be gullible to all garbage.
On my rational belief, a god is impossible, so I'm even a more stronger atheist than Richard Dawkins that has to be more "politically correct".
All concepts or definitions of gods that I have heard are all full of nonsense,
saintpine 1 year ago
lawl!!!
XjjjradX 1 year ago
is jesus god? or son of god? how can he be son of god if he died,
imjohn007 1 year ago
@imjohn007
Jesus is God and created the universe and all things.
Just as water has different natures God has different natures.
Since God made water and it can be ice or stream or liguid and still be water.
We should be able to understand somethings can appear in different forms.
God's nature is expalined to us in terms we can understand. The father ,son and the Holy spirit
God's spirit entered a women so He could walk amoung us as a Man.
God.s spirit left the body and it died not God
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
fuck you, you fucking christian
SatansLaugh 2 years ago
Nice message bro!
prodigalson56 2 years ago
I am an atheist, but I liked your vids so far.
Keep it sincere, and no one can find fault.
Excepts maybe the idiot atheists, and ya we have some in our group too.
gjsterp 2 years ago
Wow you have such a anointing of the Holy spirit when you speak God bless you brother I realy can see the love of Jesus in you
serpentguitarman 2 years ago
If you believe the healing stories, on what grounds might you reject the miraculous workings of Sai Baba - witnessed by many thousands and still living??????
thruthem 2 years ago
Your video's awesome. So are you.
eastariel 2 years ago
You have ignored the mountains of people, places, and events that have been corroborated by archaeology.
Two things would make the Bible historically dubious:
1) If none of the people, places, and events were ever found outside of the Bible by archaeologists (this is the case with the Book of Mormon)
2) If events recorded in the Bible were consistently found to contradict clear historical evidence from archaeology.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
Neither of these is the case. Archaeologists and historians have confirmed the falling of the walls of Jericho, the existence of King Davids palace, Nehemiahs Wall, Jesus crucifixion, Pauls shipwreck off the coast of Malta, the existence of Pontius Pilate, the existence of Caiaphas, the Jewish High Priest, references to Assyrian kings, Sennacheribs siege of Jerusalem and on and on and on.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
nice beard brother :)
volkan63 2 years ago
Excellent little commentary, my friend. very succinct and powerful in its brevity.
Thanks for the thought
Evangelander 2 years ago
but like i said this is getting childish so until then i will await the vid pick of your choice thanks supertruthlover
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
Noproof
Try to understand truth if you can dumb ass!! But the truth is that the theory cannot make useful predictions. Skell notes this failure of Darwinism:
For instance, we cannot rely upon ruminations about the fossil record to lead us to a prediction of the evolution of the ambient flu virus so that we can prepare the vaccine today for next years more virulent strain. That would be like depending upon our knowledge of ancient Hittite economics to understand 21st-century economics.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
okhe are the facts evolution is a testable proven fact the theory explains all the facts. there has been no peer review papers disproving evolution not one but there are thousands proving evolution these are the facts. if one or a hundred scientist say evolution is wrong then here is how it works they publish they findings and hypothesis it is then reviewed by the scientific community as a whole if it is valid then it is excepted as factual if not they will point out the problems.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
Noproof
You stated
AND YES ALL BIOLOGY IS BASED OF THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION LIKE WHEN VIRUSES MUTATE AND EVOLVE
Here's the problem with that statement
No one can ever predict mutations
Evolution helps no one
You worship Evolution as if it was the most important discovery but it's worthless
Only Atheists and those that are offended by God insist evolution MUST be true and we can't live with out it.
Please open you eyes you have been duped
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
i put a special video on my channel just for you. i i challenge you to go to aaronra channel cdk007 thunderfoot channel or any of the science guys on youtube please tell me which one ill i would like you to put all the same stuff you put down here on anyone of those guys vids pick anyone. if you what to talk religion Taylorx04 he is a preachers son and well versed in the bible or profMTH. please tell me which vid and channel i will love to see that. since you know better then science.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
no paper has ever been put forth so this is were science say put up or shut up.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
Ahh little baby got his feelings hurt
Are you going to wet yourself little baby?
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
Useful predictions beased on the theory of evolution:
> Introducing a predator into an enviornment where other lifefroms have not evolved alongside it will result in drastic reductions of native populations (of both prey and competing predators).
> Widespread use of antibiotics will have the effect of killing off the drug-susceptible pathogens in the population, leaving mostly the rare drug-resistant mutants. This new selective pressure will dramatically alter the pathogen population.
EternalAlert 2 years ago
are you trying to grow a jesus beard?
justAnotherINTJ 2 years ago
this got old quick.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
Atheists are those most seriously tempted to devolve into scientism.
Atheists are the most susceptible to believing that science can and will tell us all things valuable.
To live like that takes a lot of faith.
To believe in scientism:
. One needs to have faith that our minds cannot be fooled.
. One needs to have faith that our senses are never wrong, and
. One needs to have faith that the people whose earlier research upon which our own beliefs rest never lied or made mistakes.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
wtf who said any of this.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
you went on saying evolution has been discredited
Same thing these scientist are saying about anyone who is against the hoax that is Global warming.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
Not all of those assumptions are made. In fact, none of them are. The first two are the reason experiments are tested over and over again. As for that third one, it may interest you to know that Newtonian physics, for example, is considered wrong on thequantum level -- the cutting edge of science. Plus, just because previous scientists made mistakes doesn't mean they didnt have a valid idea -- this principle is used all the time.
TheInsaneBastard 2 years ago
@SuperTruthlover says: "Atheists are the most susceptible to believing that science can and will tell us all things valuable. "
Atheist could also consider that they couldn't care less if they don't have the answer, but would never take a book written two thousand years ago by ignorant beduins as a science book.
saintpine 1 year ago
Paul wrote most of the New testament and he was a highly educated man as one can see by the books he wrote. He was a Roman Citizen and sat at the greatest teachers of his day. Luke Who wrote the book by his name and Acts was a Doctor. It seems you are the ignorant one
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
It's all so clear, he even put his signature on them all.
Schooling was nothing like the ones we have today, a doctor (alchemist or whatever) could even be an illiterate.
an infant school boy knows more of the human body.
It's strange that god or Jesus didn't explain to these intelligent people something better about science and medical issues, instead we had to wait thousands of years, with the suffering and deaths of hundreds of millions of people.
saintpine 1 year ago
saintpine
Jesus was here to tell us about enternal life and not to teach a science class.
Why do you believe anyone would have listened to him about medical science anyway. Also the bible is just large enough that we can read the whole thing without exstream effort. You are making excuses. You said "ignorant beduins" and know you won't admit your error. silly athiest fool
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
Sorry, I have to repeat myself, I do mean ""ignorant beduins", there is no better terminology.
I find it incredible how a billion people could seriously take these books as anything other than ridiculous and violent fables.
It's these books that make scientific claims which are totally ridiculous.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Jesus came to tell us about and eternal lie, because there is no eternal life
your wisdom is lacking as your grammer
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
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@SuperTruthlover
Talking about wisdom, I made an error addressing a previous message of yours containing many errors.
sounds like you like shooting yourself in the foot.
enternal
exstream
athiest
I'm mother tongue Italian, and it's 99% of the time my language in the last 30 years.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
these books that make scientific claims which are totally ridiculous.
What scientifics claims does the bible make that are ridiculus?
Stop talking out of your ass
You don't really know any,do you?
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
The genesis is all a fantasy scientific claim.
Jesus cured men, why didn't he teach them how to do it, instead we had to wait thousands of years untill some evil men invented some good medicine and destroyed our loving gods plan to make us suffer.
Jesus is an eternal lie.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Jesus did all he came here to do.
We all die one way or another
You seem to think giving people enternal peace is worthless if they get sick.
Jesus healed people to show everybody who He really was,God
He show us the way to true happiness so we could live a life more abundantly
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "You seem to think giving people enternal peace is worthless if they get sick."
My father suffered 30 days, screaming with pain, it was more than sufficient for him to have me by his side, never even once did he mention Jesus or a god.
STL says "Jesus healed people to show everybody who He really was,God"
Silly tricks, it would have been better if he left something really useful like how to cue people, but then he could have avoided creating sickness in the first place.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
I am sorry that your father never had the peace of God in his suffering.
Perhaps you father could have been healed on day one if he had but asked God to heal him with a sincere heart. God.
"it would have been better if he left something really useful like how to cue people" not sure what you mean but you forget that God gave men the wisdom to find cures for mores things everyday. Men have prayed to God for wisdom to cure Polio for example and those prayed were answered. Peace
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
Who cares about your fairy tale, he did very well without your Mr Jesus thank you, and he had to go with great pain because the power is in the hand of the Jesus followers that don't believe in a dignity death.
You are just mirror climbing to defend at all costs this insane game of god inventing bacteria and diseases and man having to find ways themselves to go along, leaving billions of dead behind them.
I could never follow this god, and I'm glad he doesn't exist.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Why these fools debate the concepts of a hell they hope does not exist cracks me up.
Thanks for the big laugh. The ideal that our choices matter helps those that accept the love of God. Hell make no difference to those that live in darkness and it is something to be mocked by them. If I had the chance to see their faces when they learn the TRUTH it would be hard not to laugh and say "whose mocking now" LOL Peace man!
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
I'm wondering if you say these things to convince yourself.
You should try and smile sometimes, I really feel sorry for you, you don't look very happy, you should try kicking jesus out of your life for a month, relax and take it easy.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
I smile all the time ,Like you would know lOL
The Joy of the Lord keeps my strong don't you know.
Why feel sorry for someone who has peace and blessings from God everyday.
God has revealed Himself to me and I have accepted Jesus into my heart.
No worries no hate or stress.
You are the one that finds it hard to be happy. If I were you I would never bother with poeple the know what they believe. Thats like me protesting Harry potter.LOL
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@saintpine
again dumbass Bacteria is used for many profitable things in this world.
You live in on the each of death and you are concerned about who made Bateria.
Of course I agree with you it had to be designed by someone
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
Mirror climbing to justify anything, you arse licking behavior to this god fairy tale is sickening.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine Atheists have taken a philosophical stance that prevents them from experiencing all of life, a life where 95% of the people in the world intuitively understand that there is more going on that what meets the eye.
We know that whatever Caused the coming into being of the universe existed beyond and outside of time, space, matter and the laws of physics.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
Wishful thinking, it would take nothing for a god to prove himself.
I prefer to believe that there are trillions of trillions of gods, each human cell is a god, intelligent that communicates with gods besides them to control the human body and brain.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Trillions of gods.LOL
really
what a moron hahah
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
So I'm a moron, just because the truth that the cell is a god and that there are trillions of gods contradicts your fairy tale ?
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Only a moron would believes bacteria is god.
Do you think when you take a dump a bit of god comes out?LOL
So funny to hear atheist world veiw. haha
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover So funny to hear atheist world veiw. haha
How can you call whoever doesn't believe your god fairy tale an atheist ?
I believe in trillions of gods so how can I be an atheist ?
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
I believe in trillions of gods so
My bad your not an atheist, but a Pagan. Use logic and understand that small g gods stand for false gods since there is only one God.
are you now saying your gods caused the big bang?
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
Everything has always existed, your nothing god fairy tale cannot make things from nothing, just because you would like to define it that way.
Our trillions of gods don't know why and how they exist, some have told me that they are not all that powerful afterall.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Everything has always existed
No that's false
Come out of the dark ages pagan!
Fact is we now know everything has a beginnign and an end.
Now you are hearing voices in your head. See a doctor
Leave the adult conversation to adults.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
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@SuperTruthlover says "Fact is we now know everything has a beginnign and an end."
You accept as a scientific fact only whatever approves your fairy tail, all the rest are dismissed.
Anyway these trillion gods have messed up everything as usual, they have invented your god and are fooling around with you.
saintpine 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "Now you are hearing voices in your head. See a doctor
Leave the adult conversation to adults."
How can you say a thing like that, your should have left the god and jesus stories with Santa clause when you where a kid, buy you like to carry on with the spooky stories of Holy Spirits and red whine still today, stop whoreshiping a fiction male, there is no hell, no one is going to stuff a rod up your backside and but you on the grill.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
no one is going to stuff a rod up your backside and but you on the grill.
So then now that we have established I will not be going to hell. SWEET
Let go back to my question about the big bang.
Who was the big banger.?
We know the big bang occured and the universe is spreading out at a certain rate. BTW is the exspandtion was any faster or slower scientist say life could not exist. Rather well done by the Big Banger i would say.
What is your answer to how it all began?
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
If I don't know the answer I admit it, I don't fill the gaps with ridiculous fairy tale gods.
Why do you accept some science as dogmatic truth without doubt and other as bullshit, does you method of judgement depend exclusively on if its convenient for your fairy tale ?
If everything needs a cause, then so does your god, you cannot make up a definition and expect everyone to accept it as a dogmatic truth.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
you did not appear to understand the correct use of the word dogma, which is a belief that cannot be doubted. you did apprehend this in a vague sort of way but since you thought that all religious beliefs were without foundation, you used the word the way you thought about it, not as most of the world does, and simply applied it to me. wrong
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@saintpine
If I don't know the answer I admit it, I don't fill the gaps with ridiculous fairy tale gods.
Well since you are completely ignorant of what caused the Big Bang and I have the truth that makes logical sense to anyone that will at least consider God a possible cause of the universe, You are the one being Dogmatic about rejecting God as an answer. So narrow mindedm having no ability to see beyond what you already accept as truth. You don't know much yet think you know all. SAD
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "You are the one being Dogmatic about rejecting God as an answer. So narrow mindedm having no ability to see beyond what you already accept as truth. You don't know much yet think you know all. SAD"
Why are you so narrow minded to consider only one god and only your god, its a belief like any other, that has no possible way of proving it unless god comes out.
Its a fairy tale like anyone could invent.
Things are too complicated to understand and you end up with Jesus!!!!
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
If you say that atheism needs no evidence to support it because it is a position about the lack of something, then do you have other positions you hold based upon lack of evidence...like say, screaming blue ants? Do you hold the position that they do not exist or that you lack belief in them, too?
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "Do you hold the position that they do not exist or that you lack belief in them, too?"
Well I could believe that there are trillions and trillions of gods, there is no evidence against it, and it holds a stronger evidence than your bible god.
Can you deny that every single cell in our body knows where to go and what to do ?
Can you deny that it could be trillions of gods that interact with each other to control our body and mind ?
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine If something cannot bring itself into existence, then God cannot exist since something had to bring God into existence. Answer: Not so. You cannot have an infinite regression of causes lest an infinity be crossed (which cannot happen). Therefore, there must be a single uncaused, cause
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "Therefore, there must be a single uncaused, cause"
If there must be a single uncaused, cause it its ridiculous to think that it must be so powerful and all knowing, you are inventing a definition that has no possible proof to it, the idea is insane, but you think that people should accept it as a dogma, because there is no possible explanation for it.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
How do you account for the laws of logic in a universe without God? The laws of logic are conceptual by nature and absolute. Being absolute, they transcend space and time. They are not the properties of the physical universe (since they are conceptual) or of people (since people contradict each other, which would mean they weren't absolute). So, how do you account for them?
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "How do you account for the laws of logic in a universe without God?"
I don't see what it has to do with a god, could you elaborate. it sounds like you are creating other definitions for your god of the gaps and expect it to be obvious and dogmatic.
Does your god demand morality because its morally right or is it morally right because god demands it ?
In the first case morality exists without gods intervention, in the second case if god order murder it would be moral.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
.Everything that was brought into existence was caused to exist. Can you have an infinite regression of causes? No, since to get to "now" you'd have to traverse an infinite past. It seems that there must be a single uncaused cause. Why can't that be God?
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "t seems that there must be a single uncaused cause. Why can't that be God?"
Lets follow your logic ?
Why cannot it not be trillions of gods ?
Why must it be all powerful ? why could they not have worked for trillions of years, making mistakes and all over the many universes, and we are just a by product.
it I would have to believe in a deity, I see no reason why it should be the maximum in everything.
saintpine 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
you said in my channel " WHat disease did God invent ?
Not a one of them came from God. You assume everything Bad is from God and everything Good is by your own hand. Sad, News flash you are not God and have not the slightest idea of the nature of God.
" a dignity death" whats that?
Is that code for susicide? I hope you did not tell your dad to kill himself.
Why do all you insane atheist say God is evil when you have no infomation about Him. Me thinks you protest too much
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
For example, physicist Victor Stenger states, “So where did the laws of physics come from? They came from NOTHING.” That is the logic and reason of atheism. Smithsonian paleobiologist, Douglas Erwin, “One of the RULES of science is, no miracles allowed. That’s a FUNDAMENTAL PRESUMPTION of what we do.” Biologist Barry Palevitz, Astronomer and physicist Lee Smoin "If the universe started at a point in time, this leaves the door open for a return of religion
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
Please keep your comments under the video, I don't like scattering the comments all over the place, I deleted you comment from my channel.
I don't think god is evil because I'm fairly well convinced he doesn't exist, I think he is evil as dipicted in that bible fairy tale.
Come on, don't you think it's you Christians that defends your god even though the OT clearly shows his evil character.
So according to your view, god made everything good and EVILution made bacteria ?
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Jesus said "For judgement I have come into the world, so that the blind will see and those that see will become blind"
Jesus also said "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but know that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."
You are a blind man so it is funny to hear you say what the bible clearly says.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says "You are a blind man so it is funny to hear you say what the bible clearly says."
Why don't you use simular phrases from other garbage books you reject, and you will understand why it makes you look ridiculous and makes me smile to hear similar bullshit.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Why would I use garbage books silly man?
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@saintpine
It has been proven that bacteria is not a result of evolution.
Study the tiny bacteria cell and you will see it is a marlelous creation.
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
Bacteria are gods angels, every human has trillions of gods in his body the bacteria are the angels and the devils.
Think big man, its ridiculous to think that only one god could exist, he plays with some chemicals, causes a big bang and wipes himself out of existence ?
No, obviously not, he becomes trillions of gods.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine only one god could exist, he plays with some chemicals, causes a big bang
You admit the big bang happened!
What caused the big bang to Bang?
Who is powerful enough to be the banger?
Something caused the universe to exist or do you say it came from nothing?
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover
Who created god ?
God went back in time and created himself ?
If you suppose there must be a creator, why should it be only one ? and why your fairy tale god ?
I find it obvious that there are trillions of gods, even your god admits it, like the bible says "Do not have any other gods before me.", it doesn't say "there are no other gods".
The trillion gods are incapable of getting on together.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
The trillion gods are incapable of getting on together
So your saying your gods did not cause the Big Bang then what did?
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
@SuperTruthlover says: Jesus was here to tell us about enternal life and not to teach a science class.
Well in that case Jesus came to tell us about and eternal lie, because there is no eternal life, and if he had at least some basic science or medical information to give us, billions of people would have had a better life with far less suffering.
There is no god, and Jesus proves it.
saintpine 1 year ago
@saintpine
Jesus provides an abuntant life of peace and Joy. You discount how important it is to have a life without the need to worry and with no hate and judgement of others. You merely complain Jesus did not at least give people some basic science or medical information. Well there are alot of healthy people that have no peace and hate their follow man. Life is more than knowing what makes you fat or if coffee is good for you. Coffee is good btw .LOL
SuperTruthlover 1 year ago
Examples you say? Freud,Kinsey, Mead, Rand, Haeckel, Galton, Skinner. Or how about East Asian cloning.Or maybe you prefer The Secret Gospel of Mark which turned out to be written by Columbia University historian Morton Smith. Or the common textbook icons of Darwinian evolution in action that have all been discredited:
. Mutant four winged fruit flies that are in reality dysfunctional, and
. Peppered moths that in the real world don't rest on tree trunks; the photographs were staged.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
ok since you went on saying evolution has been discredited you are now in my stupid category. all biology is based of evolutionary theory all the drugs and medicine we have are based on the theory. so this is over because you are a retarded and much to thick for me to reach. oh i know you also think we lived with dinosaurs and the earth is 6000 years old.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
nosmarts
all biology is based of evolutionary theory all the drugs
Get real man not one single drug has been has been based on evolution theory because the theory goes against what we see in science. Thing break down and don't become more complex.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
you fucking retard you are talking about the law of thermodynamics and i can see you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. here is a fucking clue the the law of thermodynamics states all things in a CLOSED system will break down. WE DON'T LIVE IN A CLOSED SYSTEM WE HAVE THE SUN GIVING US ENERGY YOU FREAKING RETARD! THE SUN FEEDS THE THE PLANTS WITH LIFE GIVING ENERGY THE PLANTS GIVE OF H20 AND ANIMALS EAT PLANTS WE EAT ANIMALS AND PLANTS. YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
nopuritynomorals
you fucking retard
WOW you atheist dogface get very vile when threatened
Me thinks you protest too much my heathen friend
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
AND YES ALL BIOLOGY IS BASED OF THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION LIKE WHEN VIRUSES MUTATE AND EVOLVE. ok no more caps. you make me so made because no one could be this stupid could they. for your information evolution is proven by paleontology you the fossil record and yes we have tons of transitional forms. genetics geology as we can predict what we will find in what layer of what rock strata. you are an epic retard on every aspect of science and history.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
Atheism makes a blanket assumption about ALL religions and teaches that once you come to a realization that religion doesn't always allow for logic, People can follow the beliefs of Atheism blindly and, instead of thinking for themselves, become brainwashed accepting the Atheism world view without ever questioning or open mindedly considering the alternatives. Just are there are extremist, fundamentalist religious people in the world today, there are also extremist, fundamentalist Atheist.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
WTF are you talking about atheism is just the lack of belief in a god or gods thats it. it says nothing about anything else. you piss me off because i was nice to i pointed you to some info i asked you to watch it then make up your mind you then went on a copy and past tangent from all the apologist you could find.and if i remember correctly you were calling me names from the start now your pissed i finally had enough of you.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
Examining the major advances in biological knowledge, one fails to find any real connection between biological history and the experimental designs that have produced todays cornucopia of knowledge of how the great variety of living organisms perform their functions. It is our knowledge of how these organisms actually operate, not speculations about how they may have arisen millions of years ago, that is essential to doctors, veterinarians, farmers and other practitioners of biological science.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
epic retard
Experimental science, in biology has dramatically increased our understanding of the intricate workings within living organisms that account for their survival.
These advances, however, have little or nothing to do with explanations of Darwinian origins. They are not due to studies of an organisms ancestors that are recovered from fossil deposits. The study of fossils cannot reveal the details that made these amazing living organisms function. Skell summarizes the point:
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
high school biology textbooks that neglect to mention that the beaks of Darwins Finches returned to normal after the rains returned. No net evolution occurred.
Or how about Miller & Oparin creating life out of primordial earths ammonia, methane and hydrogen?
Of course the main reason that we shouldnt naively believe in scientism is that scientism itself cannot be proven by science
But that doesnt stop atheists, for science is all theyve got. Well, that and an incredible faith.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
Biologists investigation of DNA has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce [life], that intelligence must have been involved. It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
no they dont you are wrong. the leading guy who does genetic research is also on my page and he testified against intelligent design and he is a theist. you are hopeless. all this info is there for you if would just look at it. hear what the scientist say not apologetic s say about science.if you don't look at the real evidence just the spin on it you will always fail on this.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
You seem reluctant to answer my question about Micah!
Does bible prophecy scare you?
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
Serious question here TogetherForPeace.
What makes the stories in the bible believable to you?
I asked this because the story you just read has every nuance of Aesop's Fables.
When I was a child in church, I always wondered; if there the crowd was so large that they couldn't even get to the house... how did they get on the roof?
That and every other element of the story makes it obvious that it is just a story.
So seriously, What makes the stories in the bible believable to you?
smsavage32 2 years ago
dude you're a douchebag, the bible was written by people who wish to control the minds of the weak.
any reference or passages from the bible are as realistic as reading me lord of the rings!! just get on with your life and be happy? is that to much to ask?
robbiegta 2 years ago
they found. the best part was that there was a question on the site and it asked if the dead sea scrolls said woman instead of virgin you now how Mathew quotes it in Issiah and they said yes it does say woman not virgin i had known this before but the even put the word up there for all to see and then go on to say there is no prophecy in the OT about jesus. lol you are making your self look silly reciting the apologetic stuff i have heard it before and its been debunked over and over.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
WHy not show a bit of evidence for you stupid atheist agenda statements?
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
ill let you have the last word im going to watch some vids and play some assassins cred 2 have a nice night STL.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
The Scriptures were written by over 40 different authors, over a period of approximately 1,500 years.These authors not only lived in different time periods, but were also in totally different cultures, living in totally different environments, over 3 different continents, in a wide variety of occupations. Yet, miraculously, all the books of Scripture are in complete unity and agreement, revealing the Nature of God, man and his relationship to God, and how God planned to restore that relationship
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
So, is the Bible really all that accurate? You've head it before. Maybe it's by friends or a teacher....but, you've heard it: "Sure the Bible is a good book, but, it's got mistakes." Well, take a look at the evidence and decide for yourself. With regards to the Old Testament, the Jewish copyists of the Hebrew Scriptures had to follow strict rules:
Each copy had to be written in a certain number of columns of 30 letters width and with a certain number of lines to each column.
SuperTruthlover 2 years ago
yes the old testament is more accurate in its copying but if you know anything about the dead sea scrolls then you would know these are hte oldest old testement writings and the are not the same ans the old testament writing we have today.again do your own research but look at the evidence not what some apologetic say about them. they have an agenda to make you believe. historians only are interested in history and what really happened no preconceived ideas about it.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago