did you loose any weight? I heard that many people loose weight when going into a raw vegan diet.
I am trying to loose weight for my wedding day, and since I am already vegetarian thought about going raw, that way I can eliminate bad carb from my diet. I crave pasta and bread wayyy too much.
Milk isn’t a good thing for everyone esp. once you add hormones chemicals & bleached processed sugar. The only way to know for sure is to know the signs & look for them; coughing, digestive issues, phlegm, coated morning tongue, etc. I cannot stress enough how different you will look & feel with a Raw Food Lifestyle, try it your tune will change. I was Vegan & it turned my world 180 I was shocked. Believe me it’s not what you think you aren’t missing out on great food drinks or deserts.
You can’t say, “Stay away from this or that food for this or that disease” everything you put I your mouth has a negative or positive effect on your body. Noble Prize winner Dr. Otto Warburg proved than NO DISEASE including CANCER can live in a Properly Oxygenated Properly Alkali body. Given that is Uncle Sam really looking out for you? Ultimately we are all responsible for our own health & only we can monitor what each food we eat does to us and will affect each of us differently.
Milk is pasteurized & homogenized for shipping/shelflife not really safety. Raw milk is drunk daily worldwide w/o health issues, stemming primarily from cleanliness. Any food chemicalized & stripped of nutrients is toxic to the body. Our bodies are organic & made to digest organic items not chemicals & altered foods. The chemistry of how we digest explains that just because you put it in your mouth doesn’t make it ok. It’s sold because that’s Capitalism, nothing to do with health.
@hippeebigbuckle i agree there. i think that the only things done to milk should be pasteurization, homogenization if the company chooses to, and adjusting the cream fat levels for 2%/1%/whole/etc. otherwise i think nothing else. i support medicine and antibiotics for cows to keep them healthy, but don't approve of any artificial growth hormones as i don't see the need for it. capitalism sure is something, isn't it?
@mycrimsonregrets There's a movie called "FRESH" that you should watch. It is available for free on Dr. Mercola's website right now until March 3rd. Animals do not need antibiotics. It is because of monocultures that animals now require medicines and such.
@moveincircles89 do you understand why milk is pasteurized? it is because milk isn't just drank by the people in town, it is shipped to other cities and sometimes has to sit on the shelf in stores for a week or two. it is to prevent any trace bacteria that might have made it into the milk from turning the milk bad. i will give you that adding large quantities of corn to their diet isn't the bulk of their natural diet but it still constitutes a part of their natural diet.
@lackzoom explain this then, mammals drink milk from their mothers during the time in our growth that we need the most nutrients and nourishment. so according to you, mothers who breast feed are poisoning their children. the reason we drink milk from cows is because it is very similar to human milk in what it is composed of and that we are able to readily digest it. and acids are everywhere in your body.
@mycrimsonregrets you said it..."mammals drink milk from THEIR mothers..." if you think drinking the milk of a cow, which is meant for a baby COW, not a human, makes sense then have it and good luck to ya. BTW there is now scientific evidence linking babies that are switched early from their mothers milk to cows milk and type 1 diabetes.
@lackzoom i would like a link to that report. there are also many cases of the offspring of one species feeding off of the milk of another species. chemically, there is very little difference between the milk of a human, a cow, or a goat. they all contain lactase, lipids, protein, and other nutrients such as calcium, vitamin D, and potassium.
Of course they say that!!! They want you to believe that it is the right thing to do. Are you going to go and conduct this research yourself? No, your going to believe whatever your computer says.
@FathomlessJoy I am with you in this one. Eating flesh releases cadaverine and putrescine - two substances I wouldn't want in my body. The reason some people 'feel better' eating meat is because fruits and vegetables are detoxifying and some people cant handle it. I've been vegetarian for three years now and the mere thought that I used to eat it turns my stomach, yet I craved meat as a meat eater. Addictive stuff!
...(most of the people I know were athletic and watched their diets, didn't consumer much junk food etc.). The ones who eat a lot of meat and stuff ARE overweight, but I don't think it's because of meat etc. it's because of lack of excercise, and simply eating way too much. People who are simply not interested in a good diet could even get fat on a raw diet consuming tons of nuts and calorie dense stuff in front of the tv...and I meant : their not there in the post before ;) also slim not slic
@juliajoppien "ARE overweight, but I don't think it's because of meat etc" There is not a single factor, but rather a whole lifestyle of factors. To adjust parts of this problem and ignore all the other factors is fragmented, which leads to illusion. There are many many reasons why it is unwise to eat animals, when all of these are considered, though the medical evidence may be inconclusive, the answer is quite clear.
I think the problem is not the fact that people are consuming meat. Yes, maybe there is a correlation between meat and obesety (hope I spelled it right), but I doubt that there is causality going on. My opinion (and maybe I'm wrong): Most People who decide to become vegan or vegetarian are watching there diets anyways and are interested in staying slic and healthy...
@juliajoppien "but I doubt that there is causality going on" Are you truly asking us to believe that the relationship between saturated fat and LDL cholesterol and many diseases is fiction?
I think being healthy in general is a better overall goal than stressing over mastering a strict diet...in the beginning of a raw/vegan/vegetarian diet/lifestyle. I think you shouldn't have any "shouldn'ts" or "shoulds" that will just drive you crazy and make you sabotage any efforts.
I'm a meat eater, and I commend all vegetarians and vegans, they have far more self-control than I ever will that's fore sure !!!!!!! I take my hat off to you. I'm an animal rights advocate but I am still unable to eradicate meat completely from my diet. People underestimate just how hard it is to adjust to being a vegetarian or a vegan in this day and age.
@bellasf4l "they have far more self-control than I ever will" The cool think about vegan for me is that it does not take any self control whatsoever. I love it. Once I learned to see past my own stereotypes and limited thinking, I found that the food is awesome, the effects it has on body and mind are fabulous, and the confidence from seeing the world for oneself is huge. I eat, eat, eat and do not gain an ounce of fat and love the energy level and the beginning of compassion in my life.
@BBEEAAN Oh SORRY, I'm sure no one realised you were a total expert on US statistics and how other people live their lives... God just shut the hell up your embarrassing yourself. Other people are entitled to their opinions, even morons like you.
@bellasf4l you call me a moron and yet stats show that it is the hunters conserving more land than anyone else. In fact more than 700 million a year just in licenses, not including stamps and taxes on ammo bring more than a billion in money towards conservation. How much are vegans contributing to wildlife conservation? I love your openmindedness on the topic....
why has man been eating meat for thousands of years if its bad for you+if we didnt eat the animals what would those animals be dpong weve been breeding bigs cows sheeps and chickens for centurys they couldnt even look after them selfs theyd become a nusince but in all fairness you judgemental rightous vegans seem to be very happy and up yourself so it might be good idk you obviously dont feel bad or anything?
@MrSammersELsoho "why has man been eating meat for thousands of years if its bad for you" Like smoking, it has always been bad for us. Yet as with smoking, the body has done well to adjust and detox and heal from abuse of eating rotting body parts. But again like smoking, eating flesh is catching up to us! Look back to 1909 and see the consumption of the meat, eggs, and dairy up till today have skyrocketed, while the consumption of whole grains, fruits, and veggies has plummetted.
@FathomlessJoy yeah and if you look at the cancer rates, they all started going up when the chemicals, antibiotics, and other sprays were added to our food. Not to mention the vaccination programs in the US that have all sorts of heavy metals in them are in conjuction with the preservatives, dyes, and other poisons added to our food supply that helped this. It has nothing to do with eating meat, it has everything to do with eating meat full of crap. If you dont want to eat meat...
@FathomlessJoy dont eat meat but, dont expect other people not to want to eat meat. The healthiest people in the US are the 7th day adventist, ammish, and mideonites and they all eat meat. The difference between them and everyone else is, their food isnt full of poisons that cause sickness. Vegans forget that they are eating the same poisons that meat eaters have, its sprayed on so they are still getting sick because of this.
@BBEEAAN "cancer rates, they all started going up when the chemicals, antibiotics, and other sprays were added" Actually, it goes back further than that. I know the paleo crew likes to start in the 40s and 50s, but the trend can be seen before this, as early as 1909, when eating habits per food type were first recorded. Since 1909 consumption of flesh, eggs, and dairy have soared, while consumption fruits, vegetables, and whole grains has plummeted. An unbiased look may serve you well.
@FathomlessJoy people have been eating meat since the inception of time, it didnt start in 1909 chuckles. What fairy tale are you living in? Stop listening to PETA and take a look at just the Native American Indians. They werent dying to cancers or degenerative diseases and more than half their diet was meat. If you dont want to eat meat, that is a choice you can make, stop trying to force it on others.
@BBEEAAN "people have been eating meat since the inception of time" I haven't. I think it is best you speak for yourself on that point, otherwise you tell a lie.
You know what is significant about 1909? It was the 1st year consumption levels were tracked by the government. In that time, again whether a childish mind wants to admit it or not, it is a fact that meat, dairy, and egg consumption have skyrocketed, while the levels of fruit, vegetable, whole grain consumption have plummeted. Fact.
@FathomlessJoy Im part Native American Joy, the Indians diet consisted of 1. game they hunted such as buffalo, deer, elk and other woodland critters that were consumed by them 2.Vegetables they grew 3. nuts, berries, fruit and other grains they harvested from the forest. White people had ranches for a reason and meat was a regular part of daily consumption before 1909. Try linking some of your supposed stats for us, please dont let them be biased vegan nonsense
@BBEEAAN "Stop listening to PETA and take a look at just the Native American Indians" I think in a fearful mind stereotypes must pass for intelligence. I do not, however,have any affiliation with PeTA whatsoever, sorry if that forces you to see your own lies but that is part of being a man :(
@FathomlessJoy fearful mind sterotypes, thats rich, Have you taken a look at your sterotypes of people who eat meat. Why dont you take a look at the fact that vegans arent the healthiest people in the US and vegans are catching cancer eating vegan diets for decades? How is this possible if, according to vegans, you cut meat from your diet this will not happen. Seriously look in the mirror before you start pointing that finger at people who dont live as you do, hypocrite. Why are..
@FathomlessJoy are you so afraid of people who hunt and dont eat a vegan diet? See if you werent a controlling scared little human being you could share information that you feel is good without attacking others but, since you cant do this, this shows us how insecure you really are. Before you refute my statement answer me one question, do you or do you not agree with PETA and how they view animals?
@FathomlessJoy if meat is so bad for you Fathom, I would like to kindly ask you why the healthiest people in the US are not vegans? Seventh Day Adventists and the Amish/Mideonites, who eat meat, are the healthiest people in the US. Can you please explain why these people are the healthiest people in the US when they eat meat?
@BBEEAAN "Can you please explain why these people are the healthiest people in the US when they eat meat?" Actually nothing can be further from the truth, right? The western food pyramid is an abysmal failure. 60% of Americans who eat meat are overweight, 30% of those are obese, 50% of meat eaters are on at least 1 prescription drug, those over 50 years old are on at least 2 drugs. Your risk as a flesh eater of premature heart attack or stroke is 1 in 2, that is 50/50 bro! Sorry, not buying it!
@MrSammersELsoho "if we didnt eat the animals what would those animals be dpong weve been breeding bigs cows sheeps and chickens for centurys they couldnt even look after them selfs theyd" Are you honestly claiming that you are doing the livestock a favor by torturing and mutilating and devouring them? Well I will believe you as soon as you find a SINGLE animal that volunteers its life to you. Until then I have to call bullshit!
@FathomlessJoy You have every right not to want to eat meat or to hunt. That doesnt mean it is wrong just because you feel it is wrong. I hunt for my own food, I do not torture the animals and I respect them. It is hunters who do over 85% of the wetland and forest conservation in the US. It isnt PETA who are hypocrites who kill animals. If you dont hunt the animals eat all their food and starve to death in the winter. When you hunt you keep a herd healthy. If you dont like...
@FathomlessJoy to hunt fine but, dont say that hunting is bad for the animals because it isnt, why do you think predators were put on the earth? It was to keep the animal herds healthy.
@Mekelsior when it comes to pack animals you are mostly correct. When it comes to bears, badges, mountain lions, etc this is not correct. Coyotes and Wolves run their prey until they drop all year round. They dont only kill the weak and sick. When you have snow 6 feet deep that the coyotes can run on top of they eat all the healthy deer as well. Maybe you should learn more about hunting instead of making statements that are incorrect...
@BBEEAAN "dont say that hunting is bad for the animals because it isnt" Yeah, it is real good for them, as they run day and night in terror of cruel children, armed to kill, who roust them from their beds like nazis and fatally wound them in front of their families. As they lay there bleeding, writhing in pain, they are truly grateful I'm sure to those who have fun putting them thru such sickness. I know these lies well, friend, as I told them myself once upon a time. I guess I have matured ;)
@FathomlessJoy have you ever hunted? If you havent hunted you cannot discuss what happens to animals. I will give you a clue... If you shoot an animal properly, the animal is dead in less than 30 seconds. I have let more deer go because I didnt have a clean shot than I have actually taken for food. I care about the animal and do not wish it to suffer so, I make sure my shot counts. Most of the time I shoot a deer they are alone. Maybe if you got educated on the topic you would..
@BBEEAAN "have you ever hunted? If you havent hunted you cannot discuss what happens to animals." I hunted for many many years, friend. But just as it does not take a drunk to see the effects of drunking, it does not take a hunter to see the torture and suffering of animals.
@FathomlessJoy You have never hunted because you believe hunting is all year round. You more than likely have never fired a firearm, be it rifle or handgun. "But just as it does not take a drunk to see the effects of drunking, it does not take a hunter to see the torture and suffering of animals." Once again genius, people are torturing animals when you hunt, this is not PETA videos. Stop lying and realize if you shoot an animal correctly, the animal is dead in less than 30 sec.
@BBEEAAN "I will give you a clue... If you shoot an animal properly, the animal is dead in less than 30 seconds" Perhaps you can limit the suffering, but you cannot eliminate it. The whole act is barbaric, especially since you do it for fun and are not man enuf to admit it.
@FathomlessJoy Once again, ignoramus, I hunt for food. You inept attempts at belittling me are not going to change the fact that I do more for the animals when it comes to 1. health of the herd and 2. the conservation of the forest, than you have ever done. Why dont you man up and actually help the forest and wetlands to stay healthy instead of sitting behind your keyboard stating all the nonsense that brainwashed PETA hypocrites use...
@BBEEAAN "Most of the time I shoot a deer they are alone. " And the other times? You are claiming tho not a single other deer hears the shots, sees and smells the blood and guts? Liar! Everyone out in those woods knows you are up to evil except you. Man claims he is the most intelligent creature, yet those animals are smarter than you in that respect, right?
@FathomlessJoy Some times there are two together, most of the time there is one. Yes other animals hear the shot, they know a hunter is in the area, and I am not up to EVIL you brainwashed PETA ignoramus. I dont see animals creating math, art or anything else that proves mankind is about animal life, unless mankind trains animals to act like humans, they dont.
@BBEEAAN Sorry, it is evil, murderous behavior to terrorize and brutally cause the suffering and death of innocent sentient beings for fun. You should be ashamed, and yet your pathological sickness actually prompts you to brag about it. Wow!
Also, you do not see animals making war and torturing others for fun. Man is the only animal on the planet who is to be dreaded. Put down your childish evil weapons, face who and what you are, and end the suffering of an innocent peaceful being today!
@FathomlessJoy One more time ignoramus, stop using terms that dont fit the discussion. Murder is when you kill another human for selfish reasons. Killing an animal for food is part of the cycle of life on the planet. As I stated before, come to reality and stop drinking the special punch. I havent bragged about anything, I have stated to you what I do. I feel sorry for you because you cant even see how brainwashed you really are.
@FathomlessJoy once again get a dictionary and learn what terrorize means. If you dont already know deer walk around with instinct because they are eaten by other mammals other than human beings. Do the animals that eat them terrorize them or are you once again a moron who doesnt understand that the terminology that he is using doesnt fit the discussion?
@BBEEAAN "Do the animals that eat them terrorize them" I am not sure. There are lots of behaviors of animals that I am smart enough not to do. Are you? Apparently not....
@FathomlessJoy if that is what your delusional brain tells you I do, fine, your opinion of hunting means absolutely nothing to me or anyone else who hunts. You enjoy your plants, I hope they are sprayed with chemicals that cause sickness and I will enjoy hunting for my food and the meat that I harvest from the animals, if you dont like it, that's your issue. Have a nice day, im done discussing topics with people who are closed to anything other than what they feel is right...
@BBEEAAN "Maybe if you got educated on the topic you would.." Simply because I do not accept the childish excuses you offer as to why you hunt does not mean I am uneducated about hunting.
@FathomlessJoy know you just dont walk into the woods and see a herd of deer standing there. Most deer only herd up when they are bedding down or eating. Most of the time they are following each other down trails individually. I find it hilarious you call me a Nazi when you dont even realize you are acting exactly like a Nazi. I am not forcing my lifestyle on you, you however are forcing your lifestyle on others just like a facist. Good job for being aware of your ignorance.
@FathomlessJoy animals are a part of the food chain, im sorry you have an issue with this. Animals eat animals in the wild. this is part of the circle of life. Im sorry you find this so offensive but, animals are not human beings. Stop being ignorant and realize that this is part of the cycle of life on the earth.
@FathomlessJoy this is the cycle of life, what BS am I selling you? Are you seriously that delusional and disconnected from reality that you dont realize animals eat each other? Once again come back to reality and realize hunting, whether it is a human hunting an animal or an animal hunting an animal, it is part of the cycle of life....
@FathomlessJoy you truly are a brainwashed idiot. Im sure spiders eating flies and every other type of feeding that happens in the animal kingdom is a religious slogan, it isnt part of the cycle of life on the is planet. Why dont you go get in the water with some sharks and or barracuda and go pet them. see how the "religious slogan", equates to you when it comes to animals. You truly are a brainwashed tool who has no ability to rationally think for themselves...
@BBEEAAN Actually the zombies (those that ingest human and animal flesh) are the brainwashed ones, right? Otherwise you would not have to tell all these lies, make all these childish excuses with every word you type, right? If you saw life clearly, if you know anything of love and compassion, anything of health and nutrition, you would not have to tell all these lies, right?
@BBEEAAN "animals are not human beings" Right, animals are incapable of cruelty. Man is the only animal on the planet that should be dreaded. Why? Because he derives pleasure from the pain he causes.
@FathomlessJoy have you seen a pack of wolves or coyotes eat a deer? They are alive as they are being digested. When I shoot an animal genius, I hit them in the lungs/heart/liver, right behind the front leg so they die quickly. I want them to have a quick painless death. This is the last time I will say it to you, I hunt for food because I dont want processed tortured meat from refineries. Stop being a generalizing ignoramus and discuss things rationally.
@BBEEAAN "have you seen a pack of wolves or coyotes eat a deer? They are alive as they are being digested" Yeah, and they are smart enough to eat it before it rots AND they do not have to invent childish lies about it to try to convince a grown man to eat it with them. Sorry, I do not live me life around the habits of wolves and dogs. Strange that you do!
@FathomlessJoy you truly have no common sense do you? When you kill an animal, you remove the organs and air it out for a bit, then you skin it, then you butcher the animal freezing it before it rots. If you seal it in a vacuum sealed bags as I do, the meat lasts more than 3 years with no rot. I find it amusing you cant see that a hunter killing a deer is more merciful than wolves or coyotes, btw whether a wolf, coyote or man kills a deer it is for the same reason, food, genius
@BBEEAAN "you truly have no common sense do you?" Perhaps not. It is common to rape and torture animals for pleasure. I do not do that and have learned to respect the planet and my healthy. Sorry, I am pretty uncommon, Elmer.
@FathomlessJoy when did I have force sex on any animal? When did shooting an animal and it dying in less than 30 seconds torture it, youre a tool. If you learned to respect the planet then you would know hunting is necessary to help herd animals stay healthy. Get educated because im done talking to a person who 1. is not plugged into reality 2. who forces their lifestyle on someone else, who btw would throw a fit if that was done to them 3. who tries to bully people and cant....
@FathomlessJoy "How do you think tens of billions of animals are bred for slaughter every year, Elmer?" moron, this is why you need a dictionary, you stated that I raped them, this is why you need a dictionary since I dont rape them, i shoot them and then eat them...
@BBEEAAN "When did shooting an animal and it dying in less than 30 seconds torture" You ever been shot to bleed out in 30 seconds? You need more experience about what you profess!
@BBEEAAN " im done talking to the idiot savant" LOL A brain dead Elmer Fudd wannabe without sense to know how to eat and treat animals, thinks I am an idiot. Ironic indeed, Elmer!
@BBEEAAN "live in your delusion disconnected from what actually goes on in life..." Yeah but see today, Elmer, I didn't lie to another man about my own actions, buddy. Who is delusional?
@FathomlessJoy Once again moron, look up the definition of torture. After your done reading the definition read it again. When youre done reading it the second time read it again. I dont tie the deer down and cause it pain to get info from it. Nor do I take sadistic pleasure in keeping it alive to see it scream, I kill it quickly and put it in my freezer. PETA brainwashed you right out of common sense and rational thought didnt they?
@BBEEAAN I am a man, I can see things for myself. There is not a book in the world that can tell me what torture is. I can see it for myself. Having paid attention, I was able to see the truth and step out. I do not need your lies to sustain my mind anymore. Sorry, Elmer.
@BBEEAAN " If you learned to respect the planet then you would know hunting is necessary to help herd animals stay healthy" You always take the biggest and strongest and healthiest of the herd, Elmer. At least what you can get at all hung over.
@FathomlessJoy if you knew anything about deer hunting dumbass, you would know the biggest and strongest are the hardest to kill and usually dont come out until after dark, this is why it takes years to get them. This is why I know you have never hunted deer and have no idea about the topic. The strongest and biggest pass their seed on over and over, go get educated Forest....
@BBEEAAN "if you knew anything about deer hunting dumbass, you would know the biggest and strongest are the hardest to kill " I know that is what you childish cruel morons spend most of your time going after.
Look, Elmer, we can start over as men any time now. Just don't lie to me. I know you do it because you have fun. Admit that and we can talk as men do.
@BBEEAAN "This is why I know you have never hunted dee" Whatever helps you feel better about things, Elmer. And you are a piss poor shot if it takes the animals you torture 30 seconds to bleed out. Too chickenshit to go for the head shot? At least acquire some skill, Elmer!
@BBEEAAN Animal flesh begins to rot the second the heart stops beating. Within 2 hours rigor mortis sets in. You should perhaps investigate what you are actually eating!
@AgimA74 What are you talking about? Have you ever actually eaten an apple? I have some on my counter, several bags of them in fact and not a single one is rotten, and they often last for weeks, right there on the counter. It is hard to fathom an adult human made your comments.
@FathomlessJoy yes and if you hunted you would know that the flesh of the animal is fine as long as you butcher it quickly. There is no chemical rot and the flesh is fine for consumption. Im sorry if you dont like the fact that people hunt and eat meat, that is your issue. People have a right to eat meat even if you dont like it, this is a fact of life. Get over yourself and realize your views on life arent as important to others as you think they are.
@BBEEAAN "yes and if you hunted you would know that the flesh of the animal is fine as long as you butcher it quickly." Actually you and your family are much more exposed to worms and parasites and disease. Say what you want about eating antibiotics you eat in your store bought flesh, at least they are curing some diseases in the poor animals.
@FathomlessJoy there are no carcinogens Forest Gump, im sorry if you feel there are but, yeah there arent. Keep drinking your special PETA Kool-aid... The sad thing is you think that your attempt at belittling me is actually going to change my opinion. The only delusional idiot here that is lying to himself is you. Maybe I should call you Mao since you have the same stupid idiotic stance in life as he did....
@BBEEAAN "The sad thing is you think that your attempt at belittling me is actually going to change my opinion." I am actually trying to bitch slap some sense into you. You lead a sick life and lie about it like a child and I am here to let you know you never have to live this way!
@FathomlessJoy@FathomlessJoy if what you call is life I will gladly pass. Acting like a fascist douche who cant accept others because they differ from is something I will never do. Attacking people verbally, calling them a liars because you dont agree with them, btw doesnt constitute lying, as you lie about hunting and a myriad of other things, while you try to force your lifestyle on them is something I dont like. Live in your sad delusion, peace
@BBEEAAN "The only delusional idiot here that is lying to himself is you." Yeah, but see one major difference Maj Moron, sir, is that I did not terrorize animals for fun and lie about it. Sorry :(
@BBEEAAN I thought we were through forever, Ms. Butt-hurt Fudd. How many times you going to break up with me, stomp out, slam the door, then a few seconds later stomp back in, scream "we are really really through" then stomp out and slam the door again? I am sorry, I won't do "that" to you again, Mary Ann ;)
@BBEEAAN "People have a right to eat meat even if you dont like it, this is a fact of life." Sure, I am a man though, I do not confuse rights and responsibilities. Just because something can be done is not a good excuse to do it.
@BBEEAAN "Get over yourself and realize your views on life arent as important to others as you think they are." We are not talking about any particular point of view, right? That leaves things open for interpretation. We are talking about seeing things for what they are and not hiding like children when we do not like what we see.
@FathomlessJoy i have investigated idiot, why do you think i hunt instead of buying meat from stores unless it is grain fed range free animals that are free from antibiotics and steroids. Forest, its time for you to come out of your shell and learn that the real world is something you are trying to believe isnt there...
@BBEEAAN "Forest, its time for you to come out of your shell and learn that the real world is something you are trying to believe isnt there..." Do I have to tell the lies you tell? See I could stand eating the stank rot of diseased animal pieces, frankly. What I cannot stand are the lies, I can not longer hold to the lies and repeat them, and I am prepared to die for that, Elmer!
Life is like a box of LDL, you never know how bad of a myocardio infarction your gonna get.
@BBEEAAN " why do you think i hunt instead of buying meat from stores" Actaully eating the rotting animals from the woods is a lot worse, Elmer. See for one thing that are not keep reasonably free of serious diseases. there is no regulation of it at all. Also, the meat when cooked is carcinogenic: cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats
@BBEEAAN "I do not torture the animals and I respect them." Except for the part where your terrorize them in the forests, where they are once peaceful and sentient, then you mutilate them for fun. Yes, real respect there Sparky!
@FathomlessJoy Yeah, why dont you go up to a bear and pet him and show us all how respectful that animal is to you. Why dont you go and pet a pack of coyotes or wolves. You have been brainwashed and you really need to come back to reality.I hunt for my food and there is nothing wrong with it.I like meat that doesnt have any toxins in it. As I said if you dont realize that I am helping keeping the herd healthy as well as contributing to forest/wetland conservation, thats your issue
@BBEEAAN "Yeah, why dont you go up to a bear and pet him and show us all how respectful that animal is to you" I have show compassion and respect for animals without petting a bear. If you has any idea how childish your arguments are, how absolutely unbecoming they are for an adult man, I serisouly think that while you may not stop terrorizing and torturing innocent sentient beings, you certainly would stop trying to convince me of how altruistic and justified you are in doing so.
noun 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty...... Maybe you should realize I dont torture animals when I hunt them. I am not out to punish them or seek revenge. I am not looking to interrogate them, I hunt them to 1.for a healthy food source 2.to help keep the herd healthy and 3.to help conserve our forests
@BBEEAAN "As I said if you dont realize that I am helping keeping the herd healthy" Your intent is no such thing. You attempt to kill the healthiest, strongest animals of the herd. Sorry, I see through these lies. Admit it: you hunt animals for fun. It's a fact. How do I know it? Because I hunted them for fun too and told all these same lies. You have no concern about the wetlands and herds, you measure the size of your pecker by the size of innocent animals you insanely slaughter. It is a fact.
@FathomlessJoy Do you even know that even the healthiest looking deer can be sick? Of course not because you have no knowledge about hunting. I love how you assume I hunt for fun when you dont even know me, was it hard to get up on the ivory tower of yours and piss down your assumptions on others without learning anything about people you are talking to? Do I sound like an ignoramus? Just from our conversation, I have shown you more respect than you have shown me but, you are...
@FathomlessJoy supposedly the more intelligent of the two of us because you dont hunt and are a vegan? Wisdom is known easily by the fruit of a persons actions, the only fruit of your actions have been 1.unaccepting 2.fascist, by forcing your lifestyle on others instead of talking to them 3.uneducated on many topics 4. hypocritical. You might want to rethink how you approach people since your arrogance hinders your ability to be accepted as an intelligent human being....
@BBEEAAN "supposedly the more intelligent of the two of us because you dont hunt and are a vegan" I must confess, I do think I am more intelligent because of those things ;) But this intelligence is available to you too, I do not own it. A real man does not measure his dick by the size of his buck. You may learn that one day. Then you may know what maturity is, what health is, what real compassion is, which is the truest form of intelligence.
@FathomlessJoy I dont measure my dick by the size of the buck I shoot. I dont have any trophies genius. I dont take pictures of the deer I shoot. I put them in my freezer for food after humanely putting them down. Your intelligence has been show to be less than mine since you cant respect others who disagree with you. Its unfortunate you dont get that. You think you are more intelligent because you feel your lifestyle is superior to any meat eater, this doesnt make you more...
@BBEEAAN I know well the lies you tell. I used to tell them all. You have fun terrorizing animals and in your fear and shame about it you tell yourself and others that you are doing grand and noble deeds. It is all pathetic and childish, of course, but it makes you feel better about yourself. The only cure for this sickness is to see things exactly as they are, which requires the rationalizations, the justifications, the identifications to cease. Then and only then do you stand a chance.
@FathomlessJoy intellegent chuckles, in fact to think it does just make you look like a clown. I love the ignorant who think that its testosterone that is out their hunting. Typical strawman argument when it comes to the actual benefits that hunting brings to the woods and wildlife. Trying to bully people intellectually only works with the ignorant, and unlike you, I am not ignorant on the topics I am discussing.
@BBEEAAN You are right, I do not accept lies in my mind. I have told all those lies you tell, that is why I know they are merely imature attempts to cover up fear and the fun you have killing others.
@FathomlessJoy you havent accepted any of those lies, you are full on nonsense and I have called you on it. You have also been lying about being a hunter and other things to try and manipulate the discussion, youre no different than politician that lies to people to get what they want by trying to manipulate and control people. The tactic is quite pathetic..
@FathomlessJoy when you cant accept the cycle of life that goes on on this planet, it is because you have accepted plenty of lies into that closed mind of yours. You have been brainwashed by a bunch of hypocrites who are against the killing of animals but, they kill them. They are against testing of drugs on animals and use the drugs. PETA is a bunch hypocrites an you fit right in...
@BBEEAAN That "cycle of life" mantra makes it sound like your favorite movie is "The Lion King" or something. If you knew how childish is sounds you would keep it to yourself. LOL
@BBEEAAN I have nothing to do with PeTA whatsoever; I do not know anything about them and I do not know anyone who works for them. Sorry, your stereotypes of splitting at the seams, pal.
@BBEEAAN "youre a liar, end of story. The only idiots who state what you are stating are the morons who have watched their videos." Do you have any proof of any of those statements, Elmer?
@FathomlessJoy youre lying your ass off, everyone has heard of PETA's hypocrisy and lack of common sense when it comes to animals. Some of what they say is true, animals shouldnt be slapped in cages, their beaks taken off and forced to eat things forced down their throats before they are used as food. Other things are retarded such as killing a rat that is a pest, they have no grasp of reality and you are one of the brainwashed spewing their mantra.
@BBEEAAN "youre lying your ass off," Please feel free to paste a quote where I have told a single lie. That is if you are not done with me forever again, Sweetie ;)
@BBEEAAN "Some of what they say is true, animals shouldnt be slapped in cages, their beaks taken off and forced to eat things forced down their throats before they are used as food" All livestock animals are treated this way, right? Where do you draw the line of torture? At YOUR taste buds? That gets dicey, friend. I keep it simpler than this: it is cruel to cause animals to suffer; we do not need flesh to be healthy; eating dead animals is unhealthy; fruits and veggies are yummy!
@FathomlessJoy I left you a comment trying to educate you when it came to your statements. You then responded to me in disdain and arrogance. I have tried to help you open your mind when it comes to accepting people who dont live like you. You cant do that and because you cant do that you act like a vegan, to use your fascist term, nazi...
@BBEEAAN You are wasting your time trying to convince me of anything. I am a grown man, I see the world for myself, I do not need to rape and torture animals for fun and lie about it to deal with it. Sorry.
@BBEEAAN " your ability to be accepted as an intelligent human being" If being accepted asa a human being means accepting your lies once again as my own, then I decline, friend!
@BBEEAAN "btw do you drive a car? If you do, you should stop driving it because more deer die from drivers than hunting...." Can you show proof of this statement? I didn't think you could.
Also, ever wonder why all those animals are running out on the highways? Is it because they find so much fresh vegetation on asphalt? Or is it rather because they have been terrorized by ignorant men running them out of their homes? Yep, I got your number, pal.
@FathomlessJoy you seriously are ignorant about hunting arent you? Do you know that hunting is only part of the year? Do you even know that most of the year hunting does not happen? Bow season, depending on state is from oct-mid nov., shotgun mid Nov-Dec-black powder mid Dec-Jan., basically 2 months. Most of the deer that die to cars are dead crossing the road to get to food from one area to the next. They are roaming animals that migrate.....
This has been flagged as spam show
did you loose any weight? I heard that many people loose weight when going into a raw vegan diet.
I am trying to loose weight for my wedding day, and since I am already vegetarian thought about going raw, that way I can eliminate bad carb from my diet. I crave pasta and bread wayyy too much.
Check my blog about my dress slim down:
slimmingdownforthedress.blogspot.com/
DressSlimDown 21 hours ago
Great to hear. Thanks for eating healthy and compassionately.
LloydChristmas777 6 days ago
Comment removed
moveincircles89 6 days ago
@ecoSWAG1 are you saying my GOMAD diet is bad? (gallon of milk a day)
koviack 6 days ago
Milk isn’t a good thing for everyone esp. once you add hormones chemicals & bleached processed sugar. The only way to know for sure is to know the signs & look for them; coughing, digestive issues, phlegm, coated morning tongue, etc. I cannot stress enough how different you will look & feel with a Raw Food Lifestyle, try it your tune will change. I was Vegan & it turned my world 180 I was shocked. Believe me it’s not what you think you aren’t missing out on great food drinks or deserts.
hippeebigbuckle 6 days ago
You can’t say, “Stay away from this or that food for this or that disease” everything you put I your mouth has a negative or positive effect on your body. Noble Prize winner Dr. Otto Warburg proved than NO DISEASE including CANCER can live in a Properly Oxygenated Properly Alkali body. Given that is Uncle Sam really looking out for you? Ultimately we are all responsible for our own health & only we can monitor what each food we eat does to us and will affect each of us differently.
hippeebigbuckle 6 days ago
Milk is pasteurized & homogenized for shipping/shelflife not really safety. Raw milk is drunk daily worldwide w/o health issues, stemming primarily from cleanliness. Any food chemicalized & stripped of nutrients is toxic to the body. Our bodies are organic & made to digest organic items not chemicals & altered foods. The chemistry of how we digest explains that just because you put it in your mouth doesn’t make it ok. It’s sold because that’s Capitalism, nothing to do with health.
hippeebigbuckle 6 days ago
@hippeebigbuckle i agree there. i think that the only things done to milk should be pasteurization, homogenization if the company chooses to, and adjusting the cream fat levels for 2%/1%/whole/etc. otherwise i think nothing else. i support medicine and antibiotics for cows to keep them healthy, but don't approve of any artificial growth hormones as i don't see the need for it. capitalism sure is something, isn't it?
mycrimsonregrets 5 days ago
@mycrimsonregrets There's a movie called "FRESH" that you should watch. It is available for free on Dr. Mercola's website right now until March 3rd. Animals do not need antibiotics. It is because of monocultures that animals now require medicines and such.
Ineedmorelives 1 day ago
@moveincircles89 do you understand why milk is pasteurized? it is because milk isn't just drank by the people in town, it is shipped to other cities and sometimes has to sit on the shelf in stores for a week or two. it is to prevent any trace bacteria that might have made it into the milk from turning the milk bad. i will give you that adding large quantities of corn to their diet isn't the bulk of their natural diet but it still constitutes a part of their natural diet.
mycrimsonregrets 6 days ago
High vibrational diet. VERY NICE
dothedamnthang2 1 week ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Veganism Is genetic Suicide, deal with it you Hippy Moron's.
ScientologySucksAss 1 week ago
@mycrimson we are the only species that drink from another species
krazymunky88 1 week ago
@krazymunky88 we are also the only species that writes, does that make writing bad for us as well?
mycrimsonregrets 5 days ago
@mycrimsonregrets nope, nothing revolutionary about dairy being bad for humans. See ecoSWAG1's comment at the top of this page.
lackzoom 1 week ago
@lackzoom explain this then, mammals drink milk from their mothers during the time in our growth that we need the most nutrients and nourishment. so according to you, mothers who breast feed are poisoning their children. the reason we drink milk from cows is because it is very similar to human milk in what it is composed of and that we are able to readily digest it. and acids are everywhere in your body.
mycrimsonregrets 1 week ago
@mycrimsonregrets you said it..."mammals drink milk from THEIR mothers..." if you think drinking the milk of a cow, which is meant for a baby COW, not a human, makes sense then have it and good luck to ya. BTW there is now scientific evidence linking babies that are switched early from their mothers milk to cows milk and type 1 diabetes.
lackzoom 1 week ago
@lackzoom i would like a link to that report. there are also many cases of the offspring of one species feeding off of the milk of another species. chemically, there is very little difference between the milk of a human, a cow, or a goat. they all contain lactase, lipids, protein, and other nutrients such as calcium, vitamin D, and potassium.
mycrimsonregrets 5 days ago
OMG makes sence cows eat grass. THANKS!
ashtongrist 1 week ago
how do you get calcium
ashtongrist 1 week ago
@ashtongrist check any nutritional database and see how much calcium is in every single plant food;)
InspiRAWtion 1 week ago
@ashtongrist greens have more calcium than any food. Along with almonds, tufu, sesame seeds, and other nuts.
Fubikon 1 week ago
Pure Raw Sexyness....
dbloodline 1 week ago 8
Of course they say that!!! They want you to believe that it is the right thing to do. Are you going to go and conduct this research yourself? No, your going to believe whatever your computer says.
bellasf4l 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy I am with you in this one. Eating flesh releases cadaverine and putrescine - two substances I wouldn't want in my body. The reason some people 'feel better' eating meat is because fruits and vegetables are detoxifying and some people cant handle it. I've been vegetarian for three years now and the mere thought that I used to eat it turns my stomach, yet I craved meat as a meat eater. Addictive stuff!
nyxs60 2 weeks ago
...(most of the people I know were athletic and watched their diets, didn't consumer much junk food etc.). The ones who eat a lot of meat and stuff ARE overweight, but I don't think it's because of meat etc. it's because of lack of excercise, and simply eating way too much. People who are simply not interested in a good diet could even get fat on a raw diet consuming tons of nuts and calorie dense stuff in front of the tv...and I meant : their not there in the post before ;) also slim not slic
juliajoppien 2 weeks ago
@juliajoppien "ARE overweight, but I don't think it's because of meat etc" There is not a single factor, but rather a whole lifestyle of factors. To adjust parts of this problem and ignore all the other factors is fragmented, which leads to illusion. There are many many reasons why it is unwise to eat animals, when all of these are considered, though the medical evidence may be inconclusive, the answer is quite clear.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
First: Sorry for my englisg...I'm german :)
I think the problem is not the fact that people are consuming meat. Yes, maybe there is a correlation between meat and obesety (hope I spelled it right), but I doubt that there is causality going on. My opinion (and maybe I'm wrong): Most People who decide to become vegan or vegetarian are watching there diets anyways and are interested in staying slic and healthy...
juliajoppien 2 weeks ago
@juliajoppien "but I doubt that there is causality going on" Are you truly asking us to believe that the relationship between saturated fat and LDL cholesterol and many diseases is fiction?
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
I think being healthy in general is a better overall goal than stressing over mastering a strict diet...in the beginning of a raw/vegan/vegetarian diet/lifestyle. I think you shouldn't have any "shouldn'ts" or "shoulds" that will just drive you crazy and make you sabotage any efforts.
Innersky23 2 weeks ago
going through the spectrum of diet here...meateater to vegetarian, pushing the vegan now..RAW VEGAN here i come :DD
TheBeelife 2 weeks ago
I'm a meat eater, and I commend all vegetarians and vegans, they have far more self-control than I ever will that's fore sure !!!!!!! I take my hat off to you. I'm an animal rights advocate but I am still unable to eradicate meat completely from my diet. People underestimate just how hard it is to adjust to being a vegetarian or a vegan in this day and age.
bellasf4l 2 weeks ago
@bellasf4l "they have far more self-control than I ever will" The cool think about vegan for me is that it does not take any self control whatsoever. I love it. Once I learned to see past my own stereotypes and limited thinking, I found that the food is awesome, the effects it has on body and mind are fabulous, and the confidence from seeing the world for oneself is huge. I eat, eat, eat and do not gain an ounce of fat and love the energy level and the beginning of compassion in my life.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN Oh SORRY, I'm sure no one realised you were a total expert on US statistics and how other people live their lives... God just shut the hell up your embarrassing yourself. Other people are entitled to their opinions, even morons like you.
bellasf4l 2 weeks ago
@bellasf4l you call me a moron and yet stats show that it is the hunters conserving more land than anyone else. In fact more than 700 million a year just in licenses, not including stamps and taxes on ammo bring more than a billion in money towards conservation. How much are vegans contributing to wildlife conservation? I love your openmindedness on the topic....
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
Can vegans/Raw vegans drink fermented fruit drinks like wine?
iCanHazTwentyLetters 3 weeks ago
You look radian and beautiful honey and so does your friend. Well done.
ilovemywellbeing 3 weeks ago
Congratulation ! Your skin looks gorgeous =D
4GreenEarth2 4 weeks ago
is raw vegan better than vegan?
Air2dig24 4 weeks ago
@Air2dig24 yes, a lot better
brianabarbi 3 weeks ago
@brianabarbi why?
Air2dig24 3 weeks ago
why has man been eating meat for thousands of years if its bad for you+if we didnt eat the animals what would those animals be dpong weve been breeding bigs cows sheeps and chickens for centurys they couldnt even look after them selfs theyd become a nusince but in all fairness you judgemental rightous vegans seem to be very happy and up yourself so it might be good idk you obviously dont feel bad or anything?
MrSammersELsoho 4 weeks ago
@MrSammersELsoho not to mention those slick tasty abbs you got there
MrSammersELsoho 4 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MrSammersELsoho "why has man been eating meat for thousands of years if its bad for you" Like smoking, it has always been bad for us. Yet as with smoking, the body has done well to adjust and detox and heal from abuse of eating rotting body parts. But again like smoking, eating flesh is catching up to us! Look back to 1909 and see the consumption of the meat, eggs, and dairy up till today have skyrocketed, while the consumption of whole grains, fruits, and veggies has plummetted.
FathomlessJoy 3 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy yeah and if you look at the cancer rates, they all started going up when the chemicals, antibiotics, and other sprays were added to our food. Not to mention the vaccination programs in the US that have all sorts of heavy metals in them are in conjuction with the preservatives, dyes, and other poisons added to our food supply that helped this. It has nothing to do with eating meat, it has everything to do with eating meat full of crap. If you dont want to eat meat...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
Comment removed
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@FathomlessJoy dont eat meat but, dont expect other people not to want to eat meat. The healthiest people in the US are the 7th day adventist, ammish, and mideonites and they all eat meat. The difference between them and everyone else is, their food isnt full of poisons that cause sickness. Vegans forget that they are eating the same poisons that meat eaters have, its sprayed on so they are still getting sick because of this.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "cancer rates, they all started going up when the chemicals, antibiotics, and other sprays were added" Actually, it goes back further than that. I know the paleo crew likes to start in the 40s and 50s, but the trend can be seen before this, as early as 1909, when eating habits per food type were first recorded. Since 1909 consumption of flesh, eggs, and dairy have soared, while consumption fruits, vegetables, and whole grains has plummeted. An unbiased look may serve you well.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy people have been eating meat since the inception of time, it didnt start in 1909 chuckles. What fairy tale are you living in? Stop listening to PETA and take a look at just the Native American Indians. They werent dying to cancers or degenerative diseases and more than half their diet was meat. If you dont want to eat meat, that is a choice you can make, stop trying to force it on others.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "people have been eating meat since the inception of time" I haven't. I think it is best you speak for yourself on that point, otherwise you tell a lie.
You know what is significant about 1909? It was the 1st year consumption levels were tracked by the government. In that time, again whether a childish mind wants to admit it or not, it is a fact that meat, dairy, and egg consumption have skyrocketed, while the levels of fruit, vegetable, whole grain consumption have plummeted. Fact.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy Im part Native American Joy, the Indians diet consisted of 1. game they hunted such as buffalo, deer, elk and other woodland critters that were consumed by them 2.Vegetables they grew 3. nuts, berries, fruit and other grains they harvested from the forest. White people had ranches for a reason and meat was a regular part of daily consumption before 1909. Try linking some of your supposed stats for us, please dont let them be biased vegan nonsense
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "Stop listening to PETA and take a look at just the Native American Indians" I think in a fearful mind stereotypes must pass for intelligence. I do not, however,have any affiliation with PeTA whatsoever, sorry if that forces you to see your own lies but that is part of being a man :(
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy fearful mind sterotypes, thats rich, Have you taken a look at your sterotypes of people who eat meat. Why dont you take a look at the fact that vegans arent the healthiest people in the US and vegans are catching cancer eating vegan diets for decades? How is this possible if, according to vegans, you cut meat from your diet this will not happen. Seriously look in the mirror before you start pointing that finger at people who dont live as you do, hypocrite. Why are..
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy are you so afraid of people who hunt and dont eat a vegan diet? See if you werent a controlling scared little human being you could share information that you feel is good without attacking others but, since you cant do this, this shows us how insecure you really are. Before you refute my statement answer me one question, do you or do you not agree with PETA and how they view animals?
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "it has everything to do with eating meat full of crap." Yes! And an unbiased look shows us there is no other kind :(
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy if meat is so bad for you Fathom, I would like to kindly ask you why the healthiest people in the US are not vegans? Seventh Day Adventists and the Amish/Mideonites, who eat meat, are the healthiest people in the US. Can you please explain why these people are the healthiest people in the US when they eat meat?
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "Can you please explain why these people are the healthiest people in the US when they eat meat?" Actually nothing can be further from the truth, right? The western food pyramid is an abysmal failure. 60% of Americans who eat meat are overweight, 30% of those are obese, 50% of meat eaters are on at least 1 prescription drug, those over 50 years old are on at least 2 drugs. Your risk as a flesh eater of premature heart attack or stroke is 1 in 2, that is 50/50 bro! Sorry, not buying it!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@MrSammersELsoho "if we didnt eat the animals what would those animals be dpong weve been breeding bigs cows sheeps and chickens for centurys they couldnt even look after them selfs theyd" Are you honestly claiming that you are doing the livestock a favor by torturing and mutilating and devouring them? Well I will believe you as soon as you find a SINGLE animal that volunteers its life to you. Until then I have to call bullshit!
FathomlessJoy 3 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy You have every right not to want to eat meat or to hunt. That doesnt mean it is wrong just because you feel it is wrong. I hunt for my own food, I do not torture the animals and I respect them. It is hunters who do over 85% of the wetland and forest conservation in the US. It isnt PETA who are hypocrites who kill animals. If you dont hunt the animals eat all their food and starve to death in the winter. When you hunt you keep a herd healthy. If you dont like...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy to hunt fine but, dont say that hunting is bad for the animals because it isnt, why do you think predators were put on the earth? It was to keep the animal herds healthy.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN Problem is, humans hunt the prime animals, predators prey on the sick and weak. So that does kinda defeat your argument..
Mekelsior 2 weeks ago
@Mekelsior when it comes to pack animals you are mostly correct. When it comes to bears, badges, mountain lions, etc this is not correct. Coyotes and Wolves run their prey until they drop all year round. They dont only kill the weak and sick. When you have snow 6 feet deep that the coyotes can run on top of they eat all the healthy deer as well. Maybe you should learn more about hunting instead of making statements that are incorrect...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "dont say that hunting is bad for the animals because it isnt" Yeah, it is real good for them, as they run day and night in terror of cruel children, armed to kill, who roust them from their beds like nazis and fatally wound them in front of their families. As they lay there bleeding, writhing in pain, they are truly grateful I'm sure to those who have fun putting them thru such sickness. I know these lies well, friend, as I told them myself once upon a time. I guess I have matured ;)
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy have you ever hunted? If you havent hunted you cannot discuss what happens to animals. I will give you a clue... If you shoot an animal properly, the animal is dead in less than 30 seconds. I have let more deer go because I didnt have a clean shot than I have actually taken for food. I care about the animal and do not wish it to suffer so, I make sure my shot counts. Most of the time I shoot a deer they are alone. Maybe if you got educated on the topic you would..
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "have you ever hunted? If you havent hunted you cannot discuss what happens to animals." I hunted for many many years, friend. But just as it does not take a drunk to see the effects of drunking, it does not take a hunter to see the torture and suffering of animals.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@FathomlessJoy You have never hunted because you believe hunting is all year round. You more than likely have never fired a firearm, be it rifle or handgun. "But just as it does not take a drunk to see the effects of drunking, it does not take a hunter to see the torture and suffering of animals." Once again genius, people are torturing animals when you hunt, this is not PETA videos. Stop lying and realize if you shoot an animal correctly, the animal is dead in less than 30 sec.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "I will give you a clue... If you shoot an animal properly, the animal is dead in less than 30 seconds" Perhaps you can limit the suffering, but you cannot eliminate it. The whole act is barbaric, especially since you do it for fun and are not man enuf to admit it.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy Once again, ignoramus, I hunt for food. You inept attempts at belittling me are not going to change the fact that I do more for the animals when it comes to 1. health of the herd and 2. the conservation of the forest, than you have ever done. Why dont you man up and actually help the forest and wetlands to stay healthy instead of sitting behind your keyboard stating all the nonsense that brainwashed PETA hypocrites use...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "Most of the time I shoot a deer they are alone. " And the other times? You are claiming tho not a single other deer hears the shots, sees and smells the blood and guts? Liar! Everyone out in those woods knows you are up to evil except you. Man claims he is the most intelligent creature, yet those animals are smarter than you in that respect, right?
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy Some times there are two together, most of the time there is one. Yes other animals hear the shot, they know a hunter is in the area, and I am not up to EVIL you brainwashed PETA ignoramus. I dont see animals creating math, art or anything else that proves mankind is about animal life, unless mankind trains animals to act like humans, they dont.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN Sorry, it is evil, murderous behavior to terrorize and brutally cause the suffering and death of innocent sentient beings for fun. You should be ashamed, and yet your pathological sickness actually prompts you to brag about it. Wow!
Also, you do not see animals making war and torturing others for fun. Man is the only animal on the planet who is to be dreaded. Put down your childish evil weapons, face who and what you are, and end the suffering of an innocent peaceful being today!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy One more time ignoramus, stop using terms that dont fit the discussion. Murder is when you kill another human for selfish reasons. Killing an animal for food is part of the cycle of life on the planet. As I stated before, come to reality and stop drinking the special punch. I havent bragged about anything, I have stated to you what I do. I feel sorry for you because you cant even see how brainwashed you really are.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN If you have fun terrorizing and torturing animals just admit it. I can respect any man who tells the truth.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy once again get a dictionary and learn what terrorize means. If you dont already know deer walk around with instinct because they are eaten by other mammals other than human beings. Do the animals that eat them terrorize them or are you once again a moron who doesnt understand that the terminology that he is using doesnt fit the discussion?
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "once again get a dictionary" I am a grown man, I do not need or allow dictionaries to define me, sorry.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "Do the animals that eat them terrorize them" I am not sure. There are lots of behaviors of animals that I am smart enough not to do. Are you? Apparently not....
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy if that is what your delusional brain tells you I do, fine, your opinion of hunting means absolutely nothing to me or anyone else who hunts. You enjoy your plants, I hope they are sprayed with chemicals that cause sickness and I will enjoy hunting for my food and the meat that I harvest from the animals, if you dont like it, that's your issue. Have a nice day, im done discussing topics with people who are closed to anything other than what they feel is right...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN Aw, my little baby is back ;)
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "Maybe if you got educated on the topic you would.." Simply because I do not accept the childish excuses you offer as to why you hunt does not mean I am uneducated about hunting.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy know you just dont walk into the woods and see a herd of deer standing there. Most deer only herd up when they are bedding down or eating. Most of the time they are following each other down trails individually. I find it hilarious you call me a Nazi when you dont even realize you are acting exactly like a Nazi. I am not forcing my lifestyle on you, you however are forcing your lifestyle on others just like a facist. Good job for being aware of your ignorance.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "You have every right not to want to eat meat or to hunt." Thank you!
"That doesnt mean it is wrong just because you feel it is wrong." So long as you are not harming others or our planet, right?
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy animals are a part of the food chain, im sorry you have an issue with this. Animals eat animals in the wild. this is part of the circle of life. Im sorry you find this so offensive but, animals are not human beings. Stop being ignorant and realize that this is part of the cycle of life on the earth.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "Animals eat animals in the wild." Animals do a lot of things I would not do. Sorry, not buying your bullshit, bud.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy this is the cycle of life, what BS am I selling you? Are you seriously that delusional and disconnected from reality that you dont realize animals eat each other? Once again come back to reality and realize hunting, whether it is a human hunting an animal or an animal hunting an animal, it is part of the cycle of life....
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "this is the cycle of life" That is a religious slogon, it is a meaningless statement.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy you truly are a brainwashed idiot. Im sure spiders eating flies and every other type of feeding that happens in the animal kingdom is a religious slogan, it isnt part of the cycle of life on the is planet. Why dont you go get in the water with some sharks and or barracuda and go pet them. see how the "religious slogan", equates to you when it comes to animals. You truly are a brainwashed tool who has no ability to rationally think for themselves...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN Actually the zombies (those that ingest human and animal flesh) are the brainwashed ones, right? Otherwise you would not have to tell all these lies, make all these childish excuses with every word you type, right? If you saw life clearly, if you know anything of love and compassion, anything of health and nutrition, you would not have to tell all these lies, right?
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "animals are not human beings" Right, animals are incapable of cruelty. Man is the only animal on the planet that should be dreaded. Why? Because he derives pleasure from the pain he causes.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy have you seen a pack of wolves or coyotes eat a deer? They are alive as they are being digested. When I shoot an animal genius, I hit them in the lungs/heart/liver, right behind the front leg so they die quickly. I want them to have a quick painless death. This is the last time I will say it to you, I hunt for food because I dont want processed tortured meat from refineries. Stop being a generalizing ignoramus and discuss things rationally.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "have you seen a pack of wolves or coyotes eat a deer? They are alive as they are being digested" Yeah, and they are smart enough to eat it before it rots AND they do not have to invent childish lies about it to try to convince a grown man to eat it with them. Sorry, I do not live me life around the habits of wolves and dogs. Strange that you do!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy you truly have no common sense do you? When you kill an animal, you remove the organs and air it out for a bit, then you skin it, then you butcher the animal freezing it before it rots. If you seal it in a vacuum sealed bags as I do, the meat lasts more than 3 years with no rot. I find it amusing you cant see that a hunter killing a deer is more merciful than wolves or coyotes, btw whether a wolf, coyote or man kills a deer it is for the same reason, food, genius
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "you truly have no common sense do you?" Perhaps not. It is common to rape and torture animals for pleasure. I do not do that and have learned to respect the planet and my healthy. Sorry, I am pretty uncommon, Elmer.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy when did I have force sex on any animal? When did shooting an animal and it dying in less than 30 seconds torture it, youre a tool. If you learned to respect the planet then you would know hunting is necessary to help herd animals stay healthy. Get educated because im done talking to a person who 1. is not plugged into reality 2. who forces their lifestyle on someone else, who btw would throw a fit if that was done to them 3. who tries to bully people and cant....
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "when did I have force sex on any animal?" How do you think tens of billions of animals are bred for slaughter every year, Elmer?
"Shhhh, be behwee behwee quiet, I'm in denial (uh huh huh huh huh)"
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@FathomlessJoy "How do you think tens of billions of animals are bred for slaughter every year, Elmer?" moron, this is why you need a dictionary, you stated that I raped them, this is why you need a dictionary since I dont rape them, i shoot them and then eat them...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "When did shooting an animal and it dying in less than 30 seconds torture" You ever been shot to bleed out in 30 seconds? You need more experience about what you profess!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy im done talking to the idiot savant, live in your delusion disconnected from what actually goes on in life...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN " im done talking to the idiot savant" LOL A brain dead Elmer Fudd wannabe without sense to know how to eat and treat animals, thinks I am an idiot. Ironic indeed, Elmer!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "live in your delusion disconnected from what actually goes on in life..." Yeah but see today, Elmer, I didn't lie to another man about my own actions, buddy. Who is delusional?
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy Once again moron, look up the definition of torture. After your done reading the definition read it again. When youre done reading it the second time read it again. I dont tie the deer down and cause it pain to get info from it. Nor do I take sadistic pleasure in keeping it alive to see it scream, I kill it quickly and put it in my freezer. PETA brainwashed you right out of common sense and rational thought didnt they?
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN I don't need dictionaries to know torture when I see it, sweet pea.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN I am a man, I can see things for myself. There is not a book in the world that can tell me what torture is. I can see it for myself. Having paid attention, I was able to see the truth and step out. I do not need your lies to sustain my mind anymore. Sorry, Elmer.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN " If you learned to respect the planet then you would know hunting is necessary to help herd animals stay healthy" You always take the biggest and strongest and healthiest of the herd, Elmer. At least what you can get at all hung over.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy if you knew anything about deer hunting dumbass, you would know the biggest and strongest are the hardest to kill and usually dont come out until after dark, this is why it takes years to get them. This is why I know you have never hunted deer and have no idea about the topic. The strongest and biggest pass their seed on over and over, go get educated Forest....
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "if you knew anything about deer hunting dumbass, you would know the biggest and strongest are the hardest to kill " I know that is what you childish cruel morons spend most of your time going after.
Look, Elmer, we can start over as men any time now. Just don't lie to me. I know you do it because you have fun. Admit that and we can talk as men do.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "This is why I know you have never hunted dee" Whatever helps you feel better about things, Elmer. And you are a piss poor shot if it takes the animals you torture 30 seconds to bleed out. Too chickenshit to go for the head shot? At least acquire some skill, Elmer!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "go get educated Forest...." Hunting is like vicious karma, you never know what you are going to get!
Oh Elmer, learn some better stuff, buddy. You are boring me!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "Get educated because im done talking " Come on, Elmer, don't play like that!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN Animal flesh begins to rot the second the heart stops beating. Within 2 hours rigor mortis sets in. You should perhaps investigate what you are actually eating!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy And apples begin to rot 0.2 nanoseconds after being ripped from their mothers! Eating baby apple trees, how disgusting!
AgimA74 2 weeks ago
@AgimA74 What are you talking about? Have you ever actually eaten an apple? I have some on my counter, several bags of them in fact and not a single one is rotten, and they often last for weeks, right there on the counter. It is hard to fathom an adult human made your comments.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy yes and if you hunted you would know that the flesh of the animal is fine as long as you butcher it quickly. There is no chemical rot and the flesh is fine for consumption. Im sorry if you dont like the fact that people hunt and eat meat, that is your issue. People have a right to eat meat even if you dont like it, this is a fact of life. Get over yourself and realize your views on life arent as important to others as you think they are.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "yes and if you hunted you would know that the flesh of the animal is fine as long as you butcher it quickly." Actually you and your family are much more exposed to worms and parasites and disease. Say what you want about eating antibiotics you eat in your store bought flesh, at least they are curing some diseases in the poor animals.
What about the carcinogens, Elmer (Fudd)?
cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy there are no carcinogens Forest Gump, im sorry if you feel there are but, yeah there arent. Keep drinking your special PETA Kool-aid... The sad thing is you think that your attempt at belittling me is actually going to change my opinion. The only delusional idiot here that is lying to himself is you. Maybe I should call you Mao since you have the same stupid idiotic stance in life as he did....
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "there are no carcinogens" Whoops: cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats
Mama always said, "Stupid is as stupid does!"
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "The sad thing is you think that your attempt at belittling me is actually going to change my opinion." I am actually trying to bitch slap some sense into you. You lead a sick life and lie about it like a child and I am here to let you know you never have to live this way!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
Comment removed
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
Comment removed
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@FathomlessJoy @FathomlessJoy if what you call is life I will gladly pass. Acting like a fascist douche who cant accept others because they differ from is something I will never do. Attacking people verbally, calling them a liars because you dont agree with them, btw doesnt constitute lying, as you lie about hunting and a myriad of other things, while you try to force your lifestyle on them is something I dont like. Live in your sad delusion, peace
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "The only delusional idiot here that is lying to himself is you." Yeah, but see one major difference Maj Moron, sir, is that I did not terrorize animals for fun and lie about it. Sorry :(
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "Maybe I should call you Mao since you have the same stupid idiotic stance in life as he did." I prefer "Leonardo!"
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN I thought we were through forever, Ms. Butt-hurt Fudd. How many times you going to break up with me, stomp out, slam the door, then a few seconds later stomp back in, scream "we are really really through" then stomp out and slam the door again? I am sorry, I won't do "that" to you again, Mary Ann ;)
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "People have a right to eat meat even if you dont like it, this is a fact of life." Sure, I am a man though, I do not confuse rights and responsibilities. Just because something can be done is not a good excuse to do it.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "Get over yourself and realize your views on life arent as important to others as you think they are." We are not talking about any particular point of view, right? That leaves things open for interpretation. We are talking about seeing things for what they are and not hiding like children when we do not like what we see.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy i have investigated idiot, why do you think i hunt instead of buying meat from stores unless it is grain fed range free animals that are free from antibiotics and steroids. Forest, its time for you to come out of your shell and learn that the real world is something you are trying to believe isnt there...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "i have investigated idiot" Yet you did not know about the carcinogens in the cooked rotting flesh you ingest. Bummer, buddy.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "Forest, its time for you to come out of your shell and learn that the real world is something you are trying to believe isnt there..." Do I have to tell the lies you tell? See I could stand eating the stank rot of diseased animal pieces, frankly. What I cannot stand are the lies, I can not longer hold to the lies and repeat them, and I am prepared to die for that, Elmer!
Life is like a box of LDL, you never know how bad of a myocardio infarction your gonna get.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN " why do you think i hunt instead of buying meat from stores" Actaully eating the rotting animals from the woods is a lot worse, Elmer. See for one thing that are not keep reasonably free of serious diseases. there is no regulation of it at all. Also, the meat when cooked is carcinogenic: cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cooked-meats
Do you even know what a carcinogen is, Cleatus?
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "I do not torture the animals and I respect them." Except for the part where your terrorize them in the forests, where they are once peaceful and sentient, then you mutilate them for fun. Yes, real respect there Sparky!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy Yeah, why dont you go up to a bear and pet him and show us all how respectful that animal is to you. Why dont you go and pet a pack of coyotes or wolves. You have been brainwashed and you really need to come back to reality.I hunt for my food and there is nothing wrong with it.I like meat that doesnt have any toxins in it. As I said if you dont realize that I am helping keeping the herd healthy as well as contributing to forest/wetland conservation, thats your issue
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "Yeah, why dont you go up to a bear and pet him and show us all how respectful that animal is to you" I have show compassion and respect for animals without petting a bear. If you has any idea how childish your arguments are, how absolutely unbecoming they are for an adult man, I serisouly think that while you may not stop terrorizing and torturing innocent sentient beings, you certainly would stop trying to convince me of how altruistic and justified you are in doing so.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy tor·ture tawr-cher] Show IPA noun, verb, -tured, -tur·ing.
noun 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty...... Maybe you should realize I dont torture animals when I hunt them. I am not out to punish them or seek revenge. I am not looking to interrogate them, I hunt them to 1.for a healthy food source 2.to help keep the herd healthy and 3.to help conserve our forests
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "As I said if you dont realize that I am helping keeping the herd healthy" Your intent is no such thing. You attempt to kill the healthiest, strongest animals of the herd. Sorry, I see through these lies. Admit it: you hunt animals for fun. It's a fact. How do I know it? Because I hunted them for fun too and told all these same lies. You have no concern about the wetlands and herds, you measure the size of your pecker by the size of innocent animals you insanely slaughter. It is a fact.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy Do you even know that even the healthiest looking deer can be sick? Of course not because you have no knowledge about hunting. I love how you assume I hunt for fun when you dont even know me, was it hard to get up on the ivory tower of yours and piss down your assumptions on others without learning anything about people you are talking to? Do I sound like an ignoramus? Just from our conversation, I have shown you more respect than you have shown me but, you are...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy supposedly the more intelligent of the two of us because you dont hunt and are a vegan? Wisdom is known easily by the fruit of a persons actions, the only fruit of your actions have been 1.unaccepting 2.fascist, by forcing your lifestyle on others instead of talking to them 3.uneducated on many topics 4. hypocritical. You might want to rethink how you approach people since your arrogance hinders your ability to be accepted as an intelligent human being....
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "supposedly the more intelligent of the two of us because you dont hunt and are a vegan" I must confess, I do think I am more intelligent because of those things ;) But this intelligence is available to you too, I do not own it. A real man does not measure his dick by the size of his buck. You may learn that one day. Then you may know what maturity is, what health is, what real compassion is, which is the truest form of intelligence.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy I dont measure my dick by the size of the buck I shoot. I dont have any trophies genius. I dont take pictures of the deer I shoot. I put them in my freezer for food after humanely putting them down. Your intelligence has been show to be less than mine since you cant respect others who disagree with you. Its unfortunate you dont get that. You think you are more intelligent because you feel your lifestyle is superior to any meat eater, this doesnt make you more...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN I know well the lies you tell. I used to tell them all. You have fun terrorizing animals and in your fear and shame about it you tell yourself and others that you are doing grand and noble deeds. It is all pathetic and childish, of course, but it makes you feel better about yourself. The only cure for this sickness is to see things exactly as they are, which requires the rationalizations, the justifications, the identifications to cease. Then and only then do you stand a chance.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy intellegent chuckles, in fact to think it does just make you look like a clown. I love the ignorant who think that its testosterone that is out their hunting. Typical strawman argument when it comes to the actual benefits that hunting brings to the woods and wildlife. Trying to bully people intellectually only works with the ignorant, and unlike you, I am not ignorant on the topics I am discussing.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN You are right, I do not accept lies in my mind. I have told all those lies you tell, that is why I know they are merely imature attempts to cover up fear and the fun you have killing others.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy you havent accepted any of those lies, you are full on nonsense and I have called you on it. You have also been lying about being a hunter and other things to try and manipulate the discussion, youre no different than politician that lies to people to get what they want by trying to manipulate and control people. The tactic is quite pathetic..
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy when you cant accept the cycle of life that goes on on this planet, it is because you have accepted plenty of lies into that closed mind of yours. You have been brainwashed by a bunch of hypocrites who are against the killing of animals but, they kill them. They are against testing of drugs on animals and use the drugs. PETA is a bunch hypocrites an you fit right in...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN That "cycle of life" mantra makes it sound like your favorite movie is "The Lion King" or something. If you knew how childish is sounds you would keep it to yourself. LOL
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN I have nothing to do with PeTA whatsoever; I do not know anything about them and I do not know anyone who works for them. Sorry, your stereotypes of splitting at the seams, pal.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy youre a liar, end of story. The only idiots who state what you are stating are the morons who have watched their videos.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "youre a liar, end of story. The only idiots who state what you are stating are the morons who have watched their videos." Do you have any proof of any of those statements, Elmer?
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy yes, the fact that you are stating exactly what they are stating Forest....
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN Aw, my ex GF can't slam the door too many times ;)
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN Are you really, really done with my forever this time, baby girl? Now slam the door again! LOL
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy youre lying your ass off, everyone has heard of PETA's hypocrisy and lack of common sense when it comes to animals. Some of what they say is true, animals shouldnt be slapped in cages, their beaks taken off and forced to eat things forced down their throats before they are used as food. Other things are retarded such as killing a rat that is a pest, they have no grasp of reality and you are one of the brainwashed spewing their mantra.
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN I have nothing to do with PeTA, Elmer. Sorry, your brand of bullshit don't sell here anymore, buddy.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "youre lying your ass off," Please feel free to paste a quote where I have told a single lie. That is if you are not done with me forever again, Sweetie ;)
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "Some of what they say is true, animals shouldnt be slapped in cages, their beaks taken off and forced to eat things forced down their throats before they are used as food" All livestock animals are treated this way, right? Where do you draw the line of torture? At YOUR taste buds? That gets dicey, friend. I keep it simpler than this: it is cruel to cause animals to suffer; we do not need flesh to be healthy; eating dead animals is unhealthy; fruits and veggies are yummy!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN "You might want to rethink how you approach people " I didn't approach you, pal, you approached LOLz
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy I left you a comment trying to educate you when it came to your statements. You then responded to me in disdain and arrogance. I have tried to help you open your mind when it comes to accepting people who dont live like you. You cant do that and because you cant do that you act like a vegan, to use your fascist term, nazi...
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN You are wasting your time trying to convince me of anything. I am a grown man, I see the world for myself, I do not need to rape and torture animals for fun and lie about it to deal with it. Sorry.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@BBEEAAN " your ability to be accepted as an intelligent human being" If being accepted asa a human being means accepting your lies once again as my own, then I decline, friend!
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy btw do you drive a car? If you do, you should stop driving it because more deer die from drivers than hunting....
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BBEEAAN "btw do you drive a car? If you do, you should stop driving it because more deer die from drivers than hunting...." Can you show proof of this statement? I didn't think you could.
Also, ever wonder why all those animals are running out on the highways? Is it because they find so much fresh vegetation on asphalt? Or is it rather because they have been terrorized by ignorant men running them out of their homes? Yep, I got your number, pal.
FathomlessJoy 2 weeks ago
@FathomlessJoy you seriously are ignorant about hunting arent you? Do you know that hunting is only part of the year? Do you even know that most of the year hunting does not happen? Bow season, depending on state is from oct-mid nov., shotgun mid Nov-Dec-black powder mid Dec-Jan., basically 2 months. Most of the deer that die to cars are dead crossing the road to get to food from one area to the next. They are roaming animals that migrate.....
BBEEAAN 2 weeks ago