and from that november on actually to march 08 bolt gained 20 pounds of muscle wich is VERY unlikely. i know there is no proof but these performances are very questionable. and on top of all that yohan blake already got caught for druguse once. sure it was just a stimulant but still.... ( bolt and blake the same coach)
@TheTruthMerchant, Johnson in Rome was 0.86 + 0.87 for final 20m and in Seoul had already slowed to 0.87 for 80-90m, he wasn't going to speed up for an 0.86. In reality, his intensity eases after 90m and his hand goes up at 97m. 9.76 for Johnson here at best......these tracks are not worth a TENTH faster, that is 1.2m for these guys at their peak speeds, huge distance at that level. You make out like the Seoul track was made out of treacle
this was the greatest 100 meter race for 20 years (until beijing 2008) it made me a huge fan of track and field. the top 3 men all tested positive in their careers so ben won this race fair and square.
@fightjunge24 smith was american and the whole american track and field team were on drugs from the mid eighties up until now, so smith didnt win fuck all!
@slimithy12 Dont be ridiculous, Christie and Lewis tested positive for non performance enhancing substances, Johnson on the other hand was doped up to the nines on Human growth hormone, dianabol and lots else...its a classic race no doubt but Johnson was on a whole another level of drug abuse.
@pharry4life christie tested positive late in his career and there is nothing that tells me he wasnt always a drug cheat and lewis is the biggest fraud and cheater in olympic history! like i said they were all on drugs, so ben won fairly!
@TheTruthMerchant no never 9.4! u know that berlin were bolts record was run is also no real mundo surface. berlin is a slow track the difference between mondo and old surfaces is maybe 0.05 not 0.4 seconds. meybe he had run like 9.75 and that means bolt is on drugs because no one can be that fast
@TheTruthMerchant he almost ddint slow down there. he maybe had clocked a 9.78 but thats already doubtfull. i think u are also one of the guys who say that powell would have broken 9.7 when he ran 9.74. there its the same thing. they dont slow down very much. 0.02 is one lengh of a body. and lemaitre has the quick twich of a black guy thats proven because he is 1/4 algerian and so he got the quick muscels from there. so hes not really white altogh it seems like
Johnson's time over the last 20 metres in Seoul was 1.77 seconds, in Rome the year before for a slower overall time it was 1.73 seconds. Yet you claim he didn't even slow by 0.01 second???
Le Maitre is 1/4 Algerian so that helps him run fast? Because Algeria is well known for their sprinters aren't they. National record: 10.34!
@TheTruthMerchant i dont know if it was algerian but it is proven in his dna that he has as qick twich as a black guy. and where can i verify that information u suggest pls?
@phastman1994 because even maurice greene was on drugs and so on. and its just dmub to believe that guys who dont use drugs are faster then doped greene and johnson. and its proven that 9 of 10 athlets take drugs. but they ust dont get caught. u can read that if u want just look at google. and then u believe that bolt can smash the world record and is clean?
@fightjunge24 Dwain Chambers was dirty (clean now) and there are clean sprinters that have run much faster than Chambers. How bout guys like Bob Hayes? He's still arguably one of the fastest men in history (possibly a sub 9.7 sprinter on todays mondotracks), was he dirty too? According to your logic, anyone that's gone faster than 9.79 is dirty, it's possible, but still no proof.
@phastman1994 well in the right conditions and so on it can be that someone runs 9.80 or a little bit faster. but its impossible to do it all year and beeing 15 under 10 seconds in the year! without drugs u cant hold the form over the whole season
@fightjunge24 Gay was also very consistent last season, in fact he went sub 9.8 more times than Bolt did with a SB of 9.77 vs Bolt who had an SB of 9.79 (before the WC's). And if you notice, Bolt never even went full out until the WC's, it's not like he ran consistent sub 9.6 performances (9.8 is a jog for Bolt when he's as healthy as he was last season), so his consistency is actually pretty realistic.
@phastman1994 no its not! and all that guys are on drugs. u cant be that consistent. bolt said he didnt even train hard. he just trained 1 or 2 hous a day and not like johnson 6 hours and johnson was on drugs and did so much more training so give me a reason how that can be possible?
@fightjunge24 Some people are simply more talented than others, look back at Bolt's history as a youth and junior. If Bolt's dirty he's more and likely been dirty since he was 15.. did I say it was impossible? No. Do you still fail to provide proof that Bolt, Powell, and Gay are dirty? Yes.
@fightjunge24 Bolt's always had the pure speed - 20.58 at 15, 20.13 at 16, 19.93 at 17, 19.88 at 18.., lots of that was just talent, he didn't actually start training seriously till 08 and thats when he started making huge improvements.
@fightjunge24 Well thats what he improved most on actually, his strength, which he lacked lots of in 07. Obviously he's gonna gain muscle.. once again it's possible, but I want proof.
@fightjunge24 well,here's a reason: different people have different levels of natural ability. for example: we know that ben johnson and linford christie were both dopers (christie improved dramatically around '88ish, in his late 20s, which is highly unlikely w/out chemical aid). however, on dope, johnson was still almost 2 tenths of a second faster than christie. this is b/c johnson was naturally much faster than christie.
similarly, bolt is much naturally faster than everybody else who's run
@MrBusunglueck First of all, you have absolutely no evidence Bolt is doping so your statement that "it[']s still illegal" doesn't hold any water. He's not been found to be a doper so he obviously isn't "still illegal."
The fastest clean competitor should get the gold, I agree. The problem is that many athletes in all major sports dope and it's hard to catch all the cheaters. T&F does a more ruthless and comprehensive job of catching cheaters than any sport I know of, if that's some consolation
@senjahcore well you say it is pretty unlikelyto have damatically improvement in the late 20s but it is the same with gay and bolt actually. look at their pbs (gay from 05 to 06 and bolt 07/08) and ull see the years before that they didnt really manage to improve. of course youll say now before 08 bolt was injured non stop but thats actually an argument that he started take drugs. also that the ioc got information that in november 07 jamaican athletes (not naming anyone)started taking drugs.
without steroids Johnson probably would have gotten 5th place on his high-school track team. Then maybe he would have focused on school instead of running. Studying harder, maybe he could have become a great scientist.
But instead... he is just a washed-up scumbag drug using cheater.
@captainthrall Amen, a lot of these guys who are kind of short, are definitely using something. They expend a lot more energy in the 100m than a taller person does. And to do that all season, they would definitely finish last or close to last in every race.
LEWIS = AMERICAN DRUGGED UP GOLDEN BOY IDIOT PUPPET
sciencestudent342 4 months ago
BEN JOHNSON, IF HE DIDNT GET INJURED BEFORE THIS, AND DIPPED FOR THE LINE = SUB 9.7
sciencestudent342 4 months ago
@sciencestudent342 yep,he was injured the whole '88 season and still ran 9.79,a healthy BJ runs around 9.68 in seoul
puljacina 2 months ago
fair dues to ben johnson he beat them all.
they are all cheats anyway so ben should have got the gold anyway and he was running times in 88 that would be considered class now 23 years later.
paulopezz 4 months ago
wow ....the festival of doped dirty cheaters and druged farcical clowns ....!! )))
Only alan wells, another doped cheater, fails to enfill and complete the list ......XDD !!!
Kokka985 5 months ago
and from that november on actually to march 08 bolt gained 20 pounds of muscle wich is VERY unlikely. i know there is no proof but these performances are very questionable. and on top of all that yohan blake already got caught for druguse once. sure it was just a stimulant but still.... ( bolt and blake the same coach)
MrBusunglueck 6 months ago
8:45 "look at lewis his face" :D:D:D
MrBusunglueck 6 months ago
Ben Johnson > Carl Lewis.
SuperStrik9 8 months ago
@TheTruthMerchant, Johnson in Rome was 0.86 + 0.87 for final 20m and in Seoul had already slowed to 0.87 for 80-90m, he wasn't going to speed up for an 0.86. In reality, his intensity eases after 90m and his hand goes up at 97m. 9.76 for Johnson here at best......these tracks are not worth a TENTH faster, that is 1.2m for these guys at their peak speeds, huge distance at that level. You make out like the Seoul track was made out of treacle
bossofalltime 1 year ago
this was the greatest 100 meter race for 20 years (until beijing 2008) it made me a huge fan of track and field. the top 3 men all tested positive in their careers so ben won this race fair and square.
slimithy12 1 year ago
@slimithy12 no smith was clean so he had won
fightjunge24 1 year ago
@fightjunge24 smith was american and the whole american track and field team were on drugs from the mid eighties up until now, so smith didnt win fuck all!
slimithy12 1 year ago
@slimithy12 Dont be ridiculous, Christie and Lewis tested positive for non performance enhancing substances, Johnson on the other hand was doped up to the nines on Human growth hormone, dianabol and lots else...its a classic race no doubt but Johnson was on a whole another level of drug abuse.
pharry4life 10 months ago
@pharry4life christie tested positive late in his career and there is nothing that tells me he wasnt always a drug cheat and lewis is the biggest fraud and cheater in olympic history! like i said they were all on drugs, so ben won fairly!
slimithy12 10 months ago
@pharry4life
they all were on drugs, anyone who disputes that is being bias. Lewis for sure doped as did Johnson.
ThePresident45 9 months ago
than again usain bolt would crush him running backward even if he would driving a car
Xavier800416 1 year ago
@Xavier800416 Hardly think so. Johnson would run 9.4 on one of todays mondotracks.
TheTruthMerchant 1 year ago
@TheTruthMerchant he definately would be a 9.6 runner on todays fast mondotracks,the same goes for a healthy prime mo greene
puljacina 1 year ago
@puljacina shut the fuck up hoe.
KulDeeSak 1 year ago
@TheTruthMerchant no never 9.4! u know that berlin were bolts record was run is also no real mundo surface. berlin is a slow track the difference between mondo and old surfaces is maybe 0.05 not 0.4 seconds. meybe he had run like 9.75 and that means bolt is on drugs because no one can be that fast
fightjunge24 1 year ago
@fightjunge24 Johnson would have maybe made 9.75 today?? He would have run 9.75 in the Seoul race had he not slowed down to celebrate at the end!
Today's tracks make only 0.05 seconds difference? Oh please come on, A weedy spotty white French teenager can run sub 10 seconds on todays surfaces!
TheTruthMerchant 1 year ago
@TheTruthMerchant 9.4? Bullshit!, not even close! I doubt Ben would go sub 9.7 even on today's mondotracks.
phastman1994 1 year ago
@TheTruthMerchant he almost ddint slow down there. he maybe had clocked a 9.78 but thats already doubtfull. i think u are also one of the guys who say that powell would have broken 9.7 when he ran 9.74. there its the same thing. they dont slow down very much. 0.02 is one lengh of a body. and lemaitre has the quick twich of a black guy thats proven because he is 1/4 algerian and so he got the quick muscels from there. so hes not really white altogh it seems like
fightjunge24 1 year ago
@fightjunge24 Some very strange comments.
Johnson's time over the last 20 metres in Seoul was 1.77 seconds, in Rome the year before for a slower overall time it was 1.73 seconds. Yet you claim he didn't even slow by 0.01 second???
Le Maitre is 1/4 Algerian so that helps him run fast? Because Algeria is well known for their sprinters aren't they. National record: 10.34!
TheTruthMerchant 1 year ago
@TheTruthMerchant i dont know if it was algerian but it is proven in his dna that he has as qick twich as a black guy. and where can i verify that information u suggest pls?
fightjunge24 1 year ago
@fightjunge24 Who says no one can run that fast? Where do you come up with your facts? If ur gonna accuse you should find proof first..
phastman1994 1 year ago
@phastman1994 because even maurice greene was on drugs and so on. and its just dmub to believe that guys who dont use drugs are faster then doped greene and johnson. and its proven that 9 of 10 athlets take drugs. but they ust dont get caught. u can read that if u want just look at google. and then u believe that bolt can smash the world record and is clean?
fightjunge24 1 year ago
@fightjunge24 Dwain Chambers was dirty (clean now) and there are clean sprinters that have run much faster than Chambers. How bout guys like Bob Hayes? He's still arguably one of the fastest men in history (possibly a sub 9.7 sprinter on todays mondotracks), was he dirty too? According to your logic, anyone that's gone faster than 9.79 is dirty, it's possible, but still no proof.
phastman1994 1 year ago
@phastman1994 well in the right conditions and so on it can be that someone runs 9.80 or a little bit faster. but its impossible to do it all year and beeing 15 under 10 seconds in the year! without drugs u cant hold the form over the whole season
fightjunge24 1 year ago
@fightjunge24 Gay was also very consistent last season, in fact he went sub 9.8 more times than Bolt did with a SB of 9.77 vs Bolt who had an SB of 9.79 (before the WC's). And if you notice, Bolt never even went full out until the WC's, it's not like he ran consistent sub 9.6 performances (9.8 is a jog for Bolt when he's as healthy as he was last season), so his consistency is actually pretty realistic.
phastman1994 1 year ago
@phastman1994 no its not! and all that guys are on drugs. u cant be that consistent. bolt said he didnt even train hard. he just trained 1 or 2 hous a day and not like johnson 6 hours and johnson was on drugs and did so much more training so give me a reason how that can be possible?
fightjunge24 1 year ago
@fightjunge24 Some people are simply more talented than others, look back at Bolt's history as a youth and junior. If Bolt's dirty he's more and likely been dirty since he was 15.. did I say it was impossible? No. Do you still fail to provide proof that Bolt, Powell, and Gay are dirty? Yes.
phastman1994 1 year ago
@phastman1994 no if he is on drugs he is on drugs since december 2007 or so
fightjunge24 1 year ago
@fightjunge24 Bolt's always had the pure speed - 20.58 at 15, 20.13 at 16, 19.93 at 17, 19.88 at 18.., lots of that was just talent, he didn't actually start training seriously till 08 and thats when he started making huge improvements.
phastman1994 1 year ago
@phastman1994 yea but look the improvement from 07 to 08. even more than griffith joyner on drugs in her last 3 years. seems strange to me
fightjunge24 1 year ago
@fightjunge24 Well thats what he improved most on actually, his strength, which he lacked lots of in 07. Obviously he's gonna gain muscle.. once again it's possible, but I want proof.
phastman1994 1 year ago
@phastman1994 and the other thing is that he gained so much muscle. he didnt do that in the years before
fightjunge24 1 year ago
@fightjunge24 well,here's a reason: different people have different levels of natural ability. for example: we know that ben johnson and linford christie were both dopers (christie improved dramatically around '88ish, in his late 20s, which is highly unlikely w/out chemical aid). however, on dope, johnson was still almost 2 tenths of a second faster than christie. this is b/c johnson was naturally much faster than christie.
similarly, bolt is much naturally faster than everybody else who's run
senjahcore 8 months ago
@senjahcore well even if bolt is faster then its still illegal so the fastest clean cometitor deserves the gold !
MrBusunglueck 6 months ago
@MrBusunglueck First of all, you have absolutely no evidence Bolt is doping so your statement that "it[']s still illegal" doesn't hold any water. He's not been found to be a doper so he obviously isn't "still illegal."
The fastest clean competitor should get the gold, I agree. The problem is that many athletes in all major sports dope and it's hard to catch all the cheaters. T&F does a more ruthless and comprehensive job of catching cheaters than any sport I know of, if that's some consolation
senjahcore 6 months ago
@senjahcore well you say it is pretty unlikelyto have damatically improvement in the late 20s but it is the same with gay and bolt actually. look at their pbs (gay from 05 to 06 and bolt 07/08) and ull see the years before that they didnt really manage to improve. of course youll say now before 08 bolt was injured non stop but thats actually an argument that he started take drugs. also that the ioc got information that in november 07 jamaican athletes (not naming anyone)started taking drugs.
MrBusunglueck 6 months ago
that right sholder of ben jonson has a steroids mark
shafwannn 1 year ago
without steroids Johnson probably would have gotten 5th place on his high-school track team. Then maybe he would have focused on school instead of running. Studying harder, maybe he could have become a great scientist.
But instead... he is just a washed-up scumbag drug using cheater.
captainthrall 1 year ago
@captainthrall Amen, a lot of these guys who are kind of short, are definitely using something. They expend a lot more energy in the 100m than a taller person does. And to do that all season, they would definitely finish last or close to last in every race.
MrPunk412 1 year ago
he could have done it without steroids
ScaryMunchkin 1 year ago