@oxymor0n1 What honesty can you expect from people who only believe that morality imposed from a supernatural source is valid.
To quote Albert Einstein:
“A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.”
Secondly, bone, cartilage, muscle, myoblasts etc have distinct definitions in Biology. Biologists use words precisely. So when PZ said "Bones do not form before muscles", it is a specific statement
Yet Hamza in his infinite ignorance, thinks "myoblasts cells form after chondrification" somehow refutes the statement "Bones do not form before muscles". How ridiculous?
Once again educated biologists have distinct definition for words. That could have been a good lesson for the author of the quran
This is precisely the problem of dealing with religious apologists: they use a shifting definition of terminology in order to adapt their "interpretations" to reality. For example, the "firmament" is just an "abstract" separation of atmospheric layers rather than, as it is literally written, a hard shell separating waters.
Hamza's grasp of embryology is lacking, precisely for the reasons that you pointed out and many more.
Ibn Kathir - author of one of the most reliable tafsirs says they occur in distinct stages:
(then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh,) which is like a piece of flesh with no shape or features.
(then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones,) meaning, `We gave it shape, with a head, two arms and two legs, with its bones, nerves and veins.'
(then We clothed the bones with flesh,) meaning, `We gave it something to cover it and strengthen it.'
@charlie13121 muslims do not follow ibn kathir. they follow the quran. the quran doesnt mention that bones are formed before muscles. ibn kathir was wrong. its very simple
@charlie13121 Yes of course many interpretations differ from ibn kathir. why is this an issue? bro, the interpretation of this verse doesnt change someone's faith. today we have the technology to know how the fetus is being formed. and after looking back at the quran, it is confirmed that it doesnt negate any scientific discoveries (inc evolution). the thing that does negate science is only ibn kathir's interpretation.
@charlie13121 bro, i seriously wish u understood arabic, so that you can read it yourself. i do understand arabic. and if there is a single mistake, i would have left religion long time back. if u rewatch the video, u will also understand that interpreters like any other profession (scientists, programmers, etc...) do make mistakes. muslims shouldnt follow interpreters blindly. ibn kathir is not our pope. and muslims do not have popes.
I asked for ONE proper classical scholar that disagrees with Ibn Kathir but obviously you don't want to answer my question.
You say you would have left Islam if there was a single mistake so prove me wrong and find a classical scholar who disagrees with Ibn Kathir. Classical scholars are the best to interperate the Quran since they were nearer the time of Muhammad but you're currently not providing me with any evidence for your claim that the Quran is not wrong.
@charlie13121 after reading the interpretation of ibn kathir that you wrote previously, it seems that i dont even need to answer ur last question :) this is what you wrote: "(then We clothed the bones with flesh,) meaning, `We gave it something to cover it and strengthen it.'" - Where does it say that bones were formed before flesh?? The verse doesnt say so, and even ibn kathir's interpretation doesnt say so.
Err, how can you clothe something with flesh if that 'something' does not exist.
Obviously you can only clothe the bones with flesh if bones already exist.
Also please search the meaning of the word ''THEN''.
(then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones,) meaning, `We gave it shape, with a head, two arms and two legs, with its bones, nerves and veins.'
(then We clothed the bones with flesh,) meaning, `We gave it something to cover it and strengthen it.'
Let me get this straight. PZ Myers was told 1) Quran states bones appear before muscles which he accurately pointed out as being wrong.
THEN, Hamza and his cohort claim that 2) Quran states bones and muscles form simultaneously, thereby changing their initial claim which mean PZ will change his answer as well. This is supposed to be intellectual dishonesty ? What a joke ? How much more desperate can you guy appear to be ?
@freebiovideos the quran doesnt mention bones are formed before muscles. some muslim scholars have made this mistake while interpreting the quran. muslims follow the quran and not muslim scholars. muslim scholars do make mistakes just like scientists, engineers, etc... make mistakes
I like.how feral atheists go on dislike rampages on any video which critiques what their idols say or what they believe... oh well, whatever makes em happy ;)
or if i had had two genital organs in 1000s a.d or b.c ? i believe something mysterious exists but it could be everything ,it could be something that we can never imagine may be? believing in a particular god ,religion etc seems not sufficient for anything.
i cant see a god.everything seems like chance .unbelievable disases,people were dying because of simple ilnesses in past century,there re people who have different chromosome numbers,science finds evolution,all mammals show same specialities,all land animals have humerus,radyus,ulna bones.there is such an animal like seal.1,5 billion chineses live in this planet.quantum physicists say there is probaly no god.who can say im responsible for not believing god if i have some bisexual feelings?
Sorry Hamza but you so-called academic paper is a load of crap. Not even a first year university student would present a paper like that for marking, if they did it would get an instant fail.
i'm confused hamza so what the HELL are you trying to prove by saying the quran doesn't negate fact. I like the fact that the quran is a literary miracle. This science of the quran crap is nonsense, it takes muslims away from islam. oh well.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis "says we are made from leech like clotted lumps" you means in our past past?
"kufrs believe we came from apes" No they aren't. You are stupid or what? Anyway, leech is in the fetus development and common ancestors is in the tree of life.
If you aren'T a phoney, you definitively are sick (and studpid...). You are hopeless...
please go read the Myers blog again and *try* to understand what you read (I know that it can be difficult, even impossible, in this amazing hypnosis state of mind that is indoctrination).
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis - Brilliant...Love your work. May the talking ants sing you to sleep....I refer you to 4:40, 10:61 and 34:3 - Where Allah in his wisdom uses the word "atom" to describe quantum physics to a monkey.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis You're clearly not very bright. Your parents will be in the hellfire too. Think about what we'll talk about when you're finally not around lol. Little internet bravado, Hamza the Liar™ You have nothing to offer atheists, you straw-man and lie outright. Go settle your differences with the Jews and Xians and then maybe you can step up to our level. We believe in nothing? I wasn't aware we were all nihilists. Learn your terms Hamza, you're a lightweight.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis More illogical gibberish. What a surprise. Has anyone ever told you guys how much you resemble the Christian apologists? You're practically identical, only you guys are wholly unprofessional and inexperienced. Your rehashing of the same nonsense is still nonsense (yes even in Arabic). I wish you no luck with *your* intellectual dishonesty - all 3k views of it.. Lol what small-time turds you are.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis would you please stop calling people "intellectually dishonest" for the crime of remaining unconvinced by your argumentation? Especially since you yourself criticize in this very video the practice of interpreting the quran from the standpoint of contemporary scientific understanding? I suggest that instead of dishing out accusations you may wish to spend your time on developing a better argument. You know, one that is actually, ahem, convincing?
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I don't have a clean shaven face, and how that equates to anything, is I guess just part of the trip you're on. You do realize your attempts to cast magic spells from your book on me are futile. You don't have a higher learning or special channel in your brain to understand things I can't, why do you still play pretend? How old are you? You know you don't have super powers kiddo. Your man-made god of war is a primitive superstition. Get a real job.
i would have hoped that Hamza would check PZ's response with details about how stupid his (Hamza's) claims are...
but i am sure he won't .. after all, he is a "devout" theist, someone who goes "LA LA LA LA - I am right, I won't hear what you say" when presented with facts.
i think the only dishonesty comes from hamza when he thinks it wrong to superimpose 21st century understanding of science to ancient texts but its okay to impose such understandings to the quran. The quran could mean anything in light of science.
"We as Muslims reject the idea of freedom of speech, and even the idea of freedom.." -Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
This guy is a Muslim extremist who wants to overthrow the secular democracies and set up an Islamic theocratic state. Every Muslim that watches this with me thinks he's cuckoo. Maybe he should see what it's like in such places like Somalia, Saudi Arabia, or Iran.
@Jopahify They pretty much added stuff to Sharia Law like the death penalty which I think shouldn't be.
As for extremist I think Hamza is far from that and making false accusations about him isn't going to help.
What does this video have to do with Sharia Law anyway? He is talking about embryology in the Quran.
Also why bring up countries like Saudi in the first place when those are the people who are apparently rocking music and prostitutes (Muslims said...LOL).
@soltbolz His views are extreme. He's a creationist, fundamental literalist, a pathological liar and completely deluded. None of this is false. See his response to me about metaphysical cause & effect- yeah he's got a lot of loose screws. He blocks and censors comments, thinks the "light" of Islam is also a demented evil torturing god. He thinks language in the Quran is somehow miraculous, rather than a cultural poetic form, no more unique than any other style. This is all crazy talk.
@Jopahify The HamzaAndreasTzortzis channel is NOT Hamza i repeat NOT Hamza some Atheist made it just to make him look like a dickhead. Hamza would never claim to be the last messenger of God.
@Jopahify PZ Myers lied about embryology he said it happens simultaneously when they don't. So PZ Myers and Adnan got it wrong and NOT Hamza. Did you not watch this video?
@soltbolz I don't think you've been paying much attention to anything but this video, which happened way after Hamza was already shown to be wrong. Post hoc reasoning doesn't make Hamza now correct, regardless if he finally understands the science. Here, he does nothing but eisegesis to obfuscate his error - and parody language in an extreme way so everything means just what he means. And he remains extreme as I haven't heard a rebuttal.
@Jopahify Im sorry I was just paying attention to this video lol. He made statements which are true though in the video and PZ Myers admits that it is wrong IF it was what Adnan was saying and Adnan was wrong so its fine and dandy.
@Jopahify he would argue its not a PERFECT islamic state. The only perfect islamic states were in the islamic golden age where science and innovation flourished, but the taliban infested afghanistan or the al shabaab criminals in somalia. These aren't proper islamic states because everybody knows they all equal oppression therefore whatever doesn't sell islam = unislamic.
"The only perfect islamic states were in the islamic golden age where science and innovation flourished"
Hold on, for science and innovation to flourish, you need it set up in such a way that people aren't killed for opinions they do or do not hold...Hamza advocates the killing of apostates- that's one example of "freedom of thought" being oppressed...Hamza is just a mild version of the Taleban you tar with the "unIslamic" brush.
@Jopahify Tell me how it feels like to be in a place like Saudi Arabia? No, I really want to know how they brainwash you in your media. I am a national of a democratic country where freedom of speech is admired, but now living in Saudi Arabia for last 10 years. Just a question, where are you from and have you been to Somalia, or Saudi Arabia or Iran yourself?
@Ghoshul If you dont know anything about god than dont be telling people what they believe in or not. God is the creator he is more real than this so called "real world". Yes god is a force of will. Anything he wills just becomes. Anything he wants just happens. He isnt magic he is most powerful noone can be compared to him. He created everything god was not created he has allways been. If you wana get in to those details just google about this stuff.
@iOutComei Are you really not aware that everything you just claimed are bald assertions? You literally just stated a bunch of properties you have no evidence for at all, just people saying so. This is why you believe..? Google god's details, are you serious? Right after I'm done searching leprechauns and ancient aliens.. you are simply stupid. What a terrible example you are to intellectual Muslims, if there are any.
@Ghoshul Okey, i can play your way. All knowing Ghoshul please give me your wisdom and tell me where did the thing that caused big bang come from and did the thing that made the thing that caused the big bang came from and so on and on till you have no answers. Than what will you say? That it was allways there? nothing created it? No, really am not kidding answer me.
@iOutComei There didn't have to be a first cause at all. And instead of infinite regression of what made the prior, why not say the universe itself is eternal and without cause, save a step instead of saying god is an uncaused cause. Nobody knows yet.. and science is the ONLY reliable method to unsolving these mysteries. Nonbelievers don't claim no god possible, they just aren't convinced by "god did it" assertions. A creator doesn't solve anything- like how did it create? From what?
@Ghoshul You know there is more than ONE universe. Muslims believe that god has the power to create something out of nothing. God just says be and it is. That is my answer either laugh at it or mock me or disrepect me all you want it still makes sence to me that god exists. Without him how could eveything be in such a good order.
@iOutComei No one knows for certain about that, can you stop asserting things you think or believe, *as fact* already.. it's all you are doing. You prefer a collective imaginary friend that doesn't manifest in any way, assume it's authentic because you have an imagination and very weak critical thinking skills. Presenting this as likely to be true is frankly absurd and based on NOTHING. Either show it or you don't know it. And I guess you've never heard of entropy.. 'good order'?
@Ghoshul Unless you can prove it otherwise i am right. Explain all the mircales prophets performed. Explain how the sea split apart when the Jewish people were about to be killed. I heard a strong wind seperated it but it hasnt happened any other time and to happen right when they needed it, its amazing. Also if the wind was strong enough to split the a sea apart it would have tossed the people off the planet. I believe the prophets that showed us miracles thats the extra proof.
@Ghoshul Yes, good order. How we have everything in order to survive. How the sun is so perfect to keep us alive and warm. How the moon lets us know when a month has passed. How everything in this world has a purpose. So much more that i could go on and on. Our brain's and hearts our feelings they are not just some evolution. These things are unique and most impressive. I simply cant believe this evolved from a mindless fish.
@Ghoshul You know that earth was a dead rock right? With no life what soever on it. I dont blame it i mean a big bang wont give life will it? Imagine big bang man it must have been HUGE. So how did a world with no living life what so ever become full of life all of a sudden? Big Bang would not leave a single life form in its path. One star explosion can kill everything if it exploded here. Imagine Big Bang. To think that big bang was the start of life is complete nonsence.
@iOutComei I'm sorry but you are so mislead and uneducated this is too difficult to waste posting on youtube about, if you want to mail me and have a real discussion that's fine but everything you just said is either completely false (Hebrews fleeing Egyptian bondage), utter drivel (Goldilocks fallacy, arguments from ignorance), and repeated lack of knowledge pertaining to cosmology. You're being willfully ignorant and you don't care about what's true, just what makes you comfortable.
@Ghoshul I also find it funny how you toss history asside just because you dont agree with it. These are true facts and true history. Abraham, Moses, Jesus all real. All in history and witnesses who have written about the miracles they did. You not believe in what you want not what is true. You are simply an ignorant asshole. You have been disrespecting me in every comment calling me stupid when the real idiot here is you believing that we are some fish. How stupid are you? *blocked*
@iOutComei Rofl. You're seriously brain-dead. All hail witness to the failed apologist liar for Mohammed, who just got owned. You need to spend serious time on history little guy. Where are your sources and evidence for any of this? You have none. Almost nothing recorded in the bible has any truth in it. Show me the evidence for your claims, or continue being my bitch. The only history deniers here are obvious. We have natural explanations on the one hand, and magic on the other.
@iOutComei Honestly your last bit about the big bang is just so.. warped beyond recognition. I deeply suggest you read up on what the big bang was, and what we have found out about it since. You do realize the building blocks of life can come from non-life right? What do you think everything is made of, including our bodies down to the cells? The elements.and their atoms. These things are not alive. You have so much science to learn, and you're sitting on youtube talking about myths.
@Ghoshul Our body is made out of clay which is from this planet. Most asked questions are answered in the quran. Instead of telling me my mistakes why dont you simply tell me what is and whats not. I doupt you know it yourself. All you been doing this all time is telling me how my questions have mistakes in them. These are questions for god sake just answer me instead of relling me so other things. I give you straight answers you do the same or am gonna block you for good.
Athiest were monkeys and became human n denied existence of god n then became donkeys. This evolution process is now an established fact. Lolls just kidding with my confused brothers in humanity
It is not our job to make people believe in things they wish to ignore and hate. Your foul language will not harm Allah, Islam or even Muslims, your arrogance harms yourself the most. If you wish to not believe then that is your choice, if you can't respect others, that is also your choice, but expect no respect back.
@coolcatt654 How can you call nonbelievers arrogant when you just said you know a god exists, when you do NOT know for certain, right? You are not absolutely certain a god exists, you assert that it does and then look for reasons to support it right? But you do not *know*. Do not play word games.
Wow, the comments... Atheists are some of the most contradictory people, if you look at their beliefs. We don't know there is a God - yes we do, it is still a belief in a sense as it is all part of the unseen like so much in this world. It is YOU who do not know if there is a God!
Look at the dislike bar... they must be scared/be worried about what you are saying on some level, its looks like a co-ordinated dislike thing that sometimes goes on.
and complements Quran with established facts. Whereas the other cause of athiest rise is social needs and behaviour. people need freedom to do whatever they please and does not appreciate religious limitations. Therefore almost all Gays are athiest and contributes a high % of athiest population.Science leads us closer to our creator and negates false beliefs.I am yet to see a strong argument against existence of God except that v cant see him or if he exist y v suffer.dont complain, ask his help
@DesiLeaks You are probably the dumbest person to ever use a computer. Congratulations. There isn't a word to describe how wrong you are, and how childish your views are. None of you know if there is a god, you think there is, but you don't know. Now what do you have besides this idea to substantiate it? A book written by people? You need to do better than that. This whole exercise by hamza and the like is simply laughable. You'll never get anywhere ignoring reality.
Athiest have lived for long time before even science came into picture. However their numbers have always been low due to common human nature of appreciation. When we see everything around us from our universe to galaxies and from everything inhabiting seas to our lands, we all thank the creator. However recent rise in athiest population is due to science and social needs. Science negates every false god such as Jesus and all other pegan gods. Science also coincides with Quran.. continued..
Due to diff religions inventing false gods, many are now doubting the existence of creator. However these people have very narrow understanding of god and think creator should resemble his creation.Creator is one n only, he is absolute n eternal, he begets not,nor he is begotten,n theres nothing like him. Thats muslims idea of god.Science is in its early stage of discoveries n does not rule out creationism or existence of creator.Look at dark matter 4 example.do u c it?can u deny its existence?
@DesiLeaks I hate to break this to you but nothing you argue is new, and there's nothing narrow to the understanding of your god(s). How do you know this god has these properties? I know god doesn't tell you, so how did you measure or test any of these claims? You didn't. Stop being dishonest and asserting things you don't know. Creationism is patently untrue and has been falsified, it is dead. And I suggest you look up dark matter and realize it doesn't help your cause whatsoever.
@Ghoshul "How do you know this god has these properties?"
this is the result of a lack of knowledge.
listen well : the universe has to have a cause, it HAS a BEGINNING and an END that's a fact (look hubble). This cause (I dont say God ftm) : has to be unbound by space and time (ETERNAL), because there wasn't space and time, IMMATERIAL, there wasn't material before.
@Domna7 Why are you trying to spam your silly arguments that have been dealt with and buried a thousand times if you'd ever get your head out of the sand. Look up the kalam and ontological arguments from a skeptic's point of view. I'm afraid you have no idea what you are talking about and actually think anything you are blathering about is new or irrefutable. Can you try and not swamp people with a bunch of crap bulleted on youtube like you are giving a lecture.. Do some research.
@Ghoshul "Why are you trying to spam your silly arguments that have been dealt with and buried a thousand times if you'd ever get your head out of the sand"
So it idiots like you could maybe begin to understand what the facts are ? maybe...
I do watch video of the 2 sides, unlike most of uneducated persons like you.
" I'm afraid you have no idea what you are talking about""
@Domna7 Why are you so angry? No one to play with the troll, so sad. Like I said, we both know you are ignorant in the extreme. You don't know why your arguments fail? Then look it up, it's not my job to sit here and deal with a creationist on youtube. Go ahead and claim a false victory like your boyfriend Hamza, and all the other fundie nutjobs here. You're wrong and you don't care to find out why. Reminds me of the Black Knight in Monty Python. You have my pity child.
@Ghoshul man you obviously are upset from the video that refutes simply and with strong proofs that evolution is a ridiculous, destroyed by modern science facts.
@Domna7 Lol. You're a lost cause. Why isn't that video world wide news? You think a simple video on youtube is going to bring down the most rigorously tested and verified facts of evolution? This is why you're delusional. You think a video on youtube, disproves the entire basis and framework for modern biology.. And you wonder why no one wants to waste their time with you. Lol I mean, "strong proofs" WTF science doesn't even deal with proofs smart guy. Please get a clue.
@Domna7 Can you please acknowledge the FACT, that you don't understand evolution? I realize you believe in your convictions strongly, but you must admit here that you don't grasp even a cursory understanding of the theory of evolution. Can you please go learn some real science that works, instead of acting like you know it all. You do not understand the science - go understand it and get back to me in a year. Otherwise we're done here.
@Domna7 This is a timeline of your experience on the matter. Correct me if I'm wrong:
1)You didn't learn basic biology and evolution. Then 2)You were told some very silly things by people with no other authority but assertion. Presently 3)You think those people were right and you still never learned basic biology or evolution. This is why you are wrong Domna, and have no idea what you're talking about. Not trying to be mean, but you have been mislead. Please research these topics.
@Ghoshul "Not trying to be mean, but you have been mislead"
Me too, And i think its seriously its your case. two choice, see the link I gave you or not thats your problem not mine. Stop talking as if you're phd in rocket science. Atheism, darwinism, are nothing but stupid propaganda, so you became a faithless sheeps, that thinks only of materialism...And dont talk about morality, humanism blabla, which hamza was...Morality is from God, and nothing else.
@Domna7 How was it wrong? Explain to me what you learned about evolution or how you understand it, so you can explain why it's wrong. Showing me YT vids and asserting nonsense is not helping. Show me what you know and how you know it please. Stop dodging the questions.
@Domna7 Atheism and darwinism are stupid propaganda? You honestly think they are like, conspiracies for people to not believe in your god? I call bullshit. You can't really believe that science is some kind of boogey man trying to take away your faith. You never even took the time to learn the science. You're closed-minded and brainwashed, that's all and I'm sorry you'll remain a stupid old parrot if you continue willfully ignoring reality.
@Ghoshul atheism and darwinism isnt absolutely what we call...science...wake up guys, I know the link I gave you was hard for you, but you should give yourself some time to think about it. btw atheism doesnt exists. Only agnostics exists. There is no atheists in foxholes...Think instead of being narrow minded.
@Domna7 No man, you are seriously stupid and becoming bat-shit crazy in front of my eyes. Your link was nonsense and you know it, lol how many views on that evolution busting truth? Oh yeah. You don't even know the definition of atheist and agnostic. You are honestly the dumbest fucking person I've ever talked to. You think no one in danger remained a nonbeliever? Are you fucking kidding me? You're so wrong about everything I cannot stand to share a planet with morons like you.
hhhhhhhhhhhh, I will let honest people judge then. (It's not true and you know it). That's a typical reaction of agnostics that are desperately fighting to find something to say.
I repeat a pure atheist by definition it doesnt exists, everyone deep inside know there is a force, whatever you call it, that guides this universe...thus an agnostic, like einstein was.
No need to be angry, calm down and think carefully.
@Domna7 Lol okay.., why do you think I know deep down there is a force? Where did you get this information? You never even asked me before but you know this how? I'm pretty sure you still don't know what the definitions of those 2 terms are.. but answer how you know everyone, including me, "knows"' this force about blahblah.
@Domna7 I watched your video. Now why don't you go look up whatever misconceptions you have about evolution on a real website that I posted for you. I don't see why you are asking for proof, when again like I told you, science doesn't deal with proof, that's mathematics. These questions don't make sense, and you would instantly recognize that if you did this research. go to talkorigins . org
@Domna7 You cannot be this dense. You don't even understand the terminology. Science has proof of it's findings, and you know this, you're using a computer, a product of science right? But there isn't a one card formula or something like you're asking, which pertains to math and logic. I can't just give you gold and say I proved atomic theory right? I really don't think you are prepared to discuss a whole lot Domna, you're not showing me any signs of higher level education...
Ok then show us the proof of the "scientific" theory of the evolution.
" I can't just give you gold and say I proved atomic theory right?"
Even if you bring talk about the DNA, our modern discoveries shows that the theory is in even more difficult situaion. So stop evading and try responding.
NB : The message you read is because I though you stopped arguing.
@Domna7 You really think your arguments aren't flawed? You seriously think no one has dealt with these arguments already? You honestly believe, that no one has heard this?? If you say yes to any of the above, you have not done enough research. Stop lying and do it. Look them up. Stop lying. Got it? Let me know when you're done.
@Ghoshul You really think your arguments aren't flawed ? You seriously think no one has dealt with these arguments already? You honestly believe, that no one has heard this? you have not done enough research. Stop lying and do it. Look them up. Stop lying. Got it? Let me know when you're done...hhhh
@Ghoshul this cause is PERSONAL, for an eternal cause to bring into existence a finite universe, it must have chosen to create this, and choice implies -> will, a will implies a personality.
with just all that said, we just resumed the traditional view, of the concept of God, at least in Islam that we believe in since 1400 ago. That's just mere facts. Where is the irrationality here ? More than this we really can do nothing for you guys.May God have mercy on you cause it is he, who guides
@Ghoshul "Creationism is patently untrue and has been falsified, it is dead"
Actually its the other way around. That's why their invented an "escape theory" named multiverse, a theory that can never be verified according to even non theists scientific's.
@Domna7 If you believe in creationism then I'm sorry you're not worth anyone's time. There is nothing at all, to back up this notion of design but where you want to see it. I suggest you quit thinking you have all the answers and humble yourself. I know you don't know anything about evolution or cosmology so stop pretending and go look these things up on a serious level. I cannot take you serious if you believe things were created from nothing by magic.
@Domna7 Have you ever been taught evolution? Like, how much do you know about the mechanisms and theory itself based on facts and the framework of biology? I'm asking you this because you seem to be dismissing a field that is so well attested to with facts and evidence it would really be the largest shake-up of human knowledge of all time if evolution turned out to be wrong, so instead of talking about another idea, explain why evolution is wrong in your own words.
@Domna7 Do you think that evolution teaches that humans come from monkeys? I'm wondering why you keep bringing up monkeys in regards to evolution. Does evolution as you understand it, say that humans come from monkeys?
@Ghoshul "Does evolution as you understand it, say that humans come from monkeys?"
No it says we were bacteria (which doesnt explains from where it did came from) a fish then the fish looked into the beach and then he turned out to a jaguar...in your case a monkey hhh
@Domna7 Okay that video is basically nothing but a creationist propaganda film. I mean they mention piltdown man? So what if someone tried to present a hoax, how does that have anything to do with everything else that isn't a hoax? Lol I mean honestly I think you are just trolling for attention to your page. You haven't shown me anything new and you clearly know very little if nothing at all about science in general, let alone real academic study. I almost feel sorry for you.
@trajaen534 " Okay that video is basically nothing but a creationist propaganda film"
Man look at your reaction and arguments, they are silly. Hoax ? hoaxes you mean, especially when there not ONE missign link found. Normally if the theory is right, we should find plenty, but not one transition fossile has been found. So...thats all you have to say ?
@Domna7 Hoaxes don't mean anything but that people are opportunistic so I don't know why you are harping on it. You are aware that no one is looking for a "missing link" right? And as I expected, you know nothing about evolution at all. Please, please I'm begging you to actually learn the science. You look ignorant as all hell and frankly stupid. There are plenty of transitional fossils, I suggest you get out from under that rock and join reality. Lying isn't your strong suit.
@Domna7 You are literally clueless. I thought you were just messing around but you really know fuck all about anything.. Try looking this stuff up instead of sitting here trying to tell me about magic because you don't know any better. You are so infantile it's astonishing you can use a computer. What does my age have to do with anything? You dodge everything we ask you and stick your fingers in your ears like a fucking idiot. Whats saddest is you think you are smart. Lol just wow moron.
@trajaen534 I dodge ? then try responding to what I said. Where is the proof of the theory of the evolution ? why is the museum arent flowing with lot of transition forms ? (and dont bring back the ones that were already refuted, by non theists scientific community, homo abilis etc...)
@Domna7 Do yourself a favor and learn the science. You never learned biology. You are asking inane questions. If you knew anything, honestly even just a wiki entry on evolution, you'd understand why you're not even making sense.
@Domna7 If you're not going to go and look, then just shut the fuck up and say you win because magic is real and you believe it, and I can stop wasting my time with a retard. Either do the work or you're a liar. Simple as that. If you don't comprehend evolution, you cannot tell me it is wrong. Do you understand why?
@Domna7 Now who is scared shitless to go to the website to get the proof he wants? Yes, Little Domna, the way they play pretend is so cute. Thanks for dodging everything, and demonstrating once and again, creationists have nothing to say when it comes to the actual theory of evolution, just why they don't like it. They know nothing about the science. How miserable you all are. This video is fucking stupid lol. Get some.
@Domna7 Read what I have said. If you don't want to then you don't want to and you do not care about what I'm saying. You literally just misunderstood what I just said to you. Go to the website. You sent me to your video, am I not allowed to send you somewhere too? DNA is hurting evolution? This is news to everyone you realize that right? Even PZ gives a talk at skepticon 4 about this very recently, I suggest you look that up too, but you won't, so I dunno why I'm wasting time here.
@trajaen534 "You literally just misunderstood what I just said to you"
I dont think so. I tought I was clear that you should show us the proof of the evolution. I dont think you need to go a website to show it to me, if you are so educated about the matter. About the DNA, the neo darwnists said evolution has been made by mutation of the DNA...big mistake cause the coded information (DNA) doesnt transform, but just lose information and thats all. Feell free to search if you want. still waiting
@trajaen534 folk, need to go. I think we talked for a while, you have your position and I have mine, let's let people comments about the subject here. see ya
@trajaen534 Remember the google logo ? missing link found !...soon after it was a discovered in fact that it is a lemurian fossile...hhhh. The problem here is, why when they dont have proves of their theory, like I mentionned, they still teach this idiocy ? you should wake up and not buy all what they thaught you at school guys.
@Domna7 Here's a good link to start your new life as an informed, intelligent human being. talkorigins'dot'org Now go learn the science that you are so disgustingly naive about.
@Ghoshul Ur argument is nothing new.U want to c the creator to beleive in him. spritual properties of creator is merciful, beneficient, just etc but when u look for physical properties see my previous comment for what he is NOT. The moment u try to mix creation with creator, is whn u fall on ur face wondering and denying. Ur answer is a proof of ur ignorance in regards to dark matter. do me a favour, tell me what is not god? B4 claiming non existence of god.
@DesiLeaks You make almost no sense at all. Why are you presupposing a creator or god when you have nothing to show for it? You are just asserting things, how about demonstrate them. I'm sorry you don't understand what I'm saying but that's not my fault. Why do you assume a creator? What leads you to think that the universe was created?
@DesiLeaks "Due to diff religions inventing false gods, many are now doubting the existence of creator. However these people have very narrow understanding of god and think creator should resemble his creation"
Ah LOoooooool Atheists are seriously stupid. The reason they're telling you to dislike the video is to see if the Atheists have seen it or not, and to increase viewers. Anyways, PZ Myers was a bad speaker, foul mouthed, and too full of what he's saying as if knows everything. Islam will teach you how to be a healthy minded human, not an arrogant Atheist.
Hey dude blocking people aint part of healthy debate plus it is morally wrong.u are depriving people like me to see a good dialogue which is very civilised and without any profanity.one of your friends TheRationalizer is blocked by you.please unblock him and clear the misconception about lack of free speech that is so much attached with muslims.
alot of stupid people are disliking this not because they are not convinced. but because they don`t want to be convinced
thank you brother Hamza for your hard work
but those people don`t want to be Muslims. not because they think Islam is not the true religion, but because they want to live like animals. they just want to drink wine, date women and do drugs. oh wait even animals don`t do drugs.
the prof that Islam is the truth is that all Forbidden things it told us about are harmful to people
Wait. This Hamza isn't an expert on Arabic, the Koran, or embryology. And he is trying to debate an embryologist about what the Koran says in Arabic. Why do these people think they are even remotely qualified? What a laugh this iERA thing is. A bunch of dishonest clowns running around with The Truth™ and we're the Islam-Haters? Why didn't the Koran spell out what Hamza is trying to say with no ambiguity, instead of him reading back into it? Because this is all fantasy. Hamza is a false prophet.
@trajaen534 But he is using reliable sources to back up his ideas and lets be honest, anybody can lie regardless of their qualifications. Also the Quran is in a different language so you will get different words. For example Hannah in Japanese means nose and flower in english and those are two completely different words. It almost pisses me off when people say we are doing wishful thinking when they are doing the same in linking it to greek medicine.
@soltbolz So the reliable sources could be lies as well according to you. What this comes down to is belief in magic. Even if all these claims were true, how does magic explain anything? How did your god influence the author or get the text written? What mechanism other than magic did this godthing use? You don't know? Then you're talking out of your ass. Where else in the real world do you see magic but in movies? That's what I thought. You are wrong. Time to grow up.
what honesty can you expect from ppl who believe tht Morality evolves with time!
oxymor0n1 2 weeks ago
@oxymor0n1 What honesty can you expect from people who only believe that morality imposed from a supernatural source is valid.
To quote Albert Einstein:
“A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.”
HonestMan395 5 days ago
ALLAH U AKBAR
ilovealsaboor 3 weeks ago
Hmmm. PZ Myers or 1500 year old book written by semi-illiterate goat-herders?
I'm afraid I have to go with PZ Myers. Because:
Science works, bitch!
TomFynn 4 weeks ago
Secondly, bone, cartilage, muscle, myoblasts etc have distinct definitions in Biology. Biologists use words precisely. So when PZ said "Bones do not form before muscles", it is a specific statement
Yet Hamza in his infinite ignorance, thinks "myoblasts cells form after chondrification" somehow refutes the statement "Bones do not form before muscles". How ridiculous?
Once again educated biologists have distinct definition for words. That could have been a good lesson for the author of the quran
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@freebiovideos
This is precisely the problem of dealing with religious apologists: they use a shifting definition of terminology in order to adapt their "interpretations" to reality. For example, the "firmament" is just an "abstract" separation of atmospheric layers rather than, as it is literally written, a hard shell separating waters.
Hamza's grasp of embryology is lacking, precisely for the reasons that you pointed out and many more.
Greyclouds40 1 month ago
@freebiovideos Where in the Quran does it say that bones are formed before muscles?
fandanstan 4 weeks ago
@fandanstan
Ibn Kathir - author of one of the most reliable tafsirs says they occur in distinct stages:
(then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh,) which is like a piece of flesh with no shape or features.
(then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones,) meaning, `We gave it shape, with a head, two arms and two legs, with its bones, nerves and veins.'
(then We clothed the bones with flesh,) meaning, `We gave it something to cover it and strengthen it.'
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@charlie13121 "then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones"
so flesh first, THEN bones?
fandanstan 3 weeks ago
@charlie13121 muslims do not follow ibn kathir. they follow the quran. the quran doesnt mention that bones are formed before muscles. ibn kathir was wrong. its very simple
crazycat128 3 weeks ago
@crazycat128
Can you name me one classical scholar that disagrees with Ibn Kathir?
If you can not then perhaps the Quran is not easy to understand if so many scholars made wrong interpretations and the Quran can indeed be improved.
charlie13121 3 weeks ago
@charlie13121 Yes of course many interpretations differ from ibn kathir. why is this an issue? bro, the interpretation of this verse doesnt change someone's faith. today we have the technology to know how the fetus is being formed. and after looking back at the quran, it is confirmed that it doesnt negate any scientific discoveries (inc evolution). the thing that does negate science is only ibn kathir's interpretation.
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charlie13121 3 weeks ago
@crazycat128
You never answered my original question.
Can you name any classical scholars with references that disagree with Ibn Kathir?
charlie13121 3 weeks ago
@charlie13121 r u talking abt this specific verse or the interpretation of the whole quran? and again what is the point?
crazycat128 3 weeks ago
@charlie13121 bro, i seriously wish u understood arabic, so that you can read it yourself. i do understand arabic. and if there is a single mistake, i would have left religion long time back. if u rewatch the video, u will also understand that interpreters like any other profession (scientists, programmers, etc...) do make mistakes. muslims shouldnt follow interpreters blindly. ibn kathir is not our pope. and muslims do not have popes.
crazycat128 3 weeks ago
@crazycat128
I asked for ONE proper classical scholar that disagrees with Ibn Kathir but obviously you don't want to answer my question.
You say you would have left Islam if there was a single mistake so prove me wrong and find a classical scholar who disagrees with Ibn Kathir. Classical scholars are the best to interperate the Quran since they were nearer the time of Muhammad but you're currently not providing me with any evidence for your claim that the Quran is not wrong.
charlie13121 3 weeks ago
@charlie13121 after reading the interpretation of ibn kathir that you wrote previously, it seems that i dont even need to answer ur last question :) this is what you wrote: "(then We clothed the bones with flesh,) meaning, `We gave it something to cover it and strengthen it.'" - Where does it say that bones were formed before flesh?? The verse doesnt say so, and even ibn kathir's interpretation doesnt say so.
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@crazycat128
Err, how can you clothe something with flesh if that 'something' does not exist.
Obviously you can only clothe the bones with flesh if bones already exist.
Also please search the meaning of the word ''THEN''.
(then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones,) meaning, `We gave it shape, with a head, two arms and two legs, with its bones, nerves and veins.'
(then We clothed the bones with flesh,) meaning, `We gave it something to cover it and strengthen it.'
charlie13121 3 weeks ago
@charlie13121 Check Al-Suyuti.
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@MrMamini
A link would be very helpful.
charlie13121 2 weeks ago
@MrMamini
I found Tafsir al-Jalalayn and it does say bones before flesh. Perhaps you can elaborate?
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Mcgareydude 1 week ago
Let me get this straight. PZ Myers was told 1) Quran states bones appear before muscles which he accurately pointed out as being wrong.
THEN, Hamza and his cohort claim that 2) Quran states bones and muscles form simultaneously, thereby changing their initial claim which mean PZ will change his answer as well. This is supposed to be intellectual dishonesty ? What a joke ? How much more desperate can you guy appear to be ?
freebiovideos 1 month ago 8
@freebiovideos the quran doesnt mention bones are formed before muscles. some muslim scholars have made this mistake while interpreting the quran. muslims follow the quran and not muslim scholars. muslim scholars do make mistakes just like scientists, engineers, etc... make mistakes
crazycat128 3 weeks ago
@freebiovideos
He admitted his mistake. There is nothing desperate because he is making a video admitting that and moving the discussion on.
MrGrandDragon 2 weeks ago
I like.how feral atheists go on dislike rampages on any video which critiques what their idols say or what they believe... oh well, whatever makes em happy ;)
GT45000 1 month ago
i would like to believe in a god but really i cant do it it seems impossible for me.
esraretin 1 month ago
or if i had had two genital organs in 1000s a.d or b.c ? i believe something mysterious exists but it could be everything ,it could be something that we can never imagine may be? believing in a particular god ,religion etc seems not sufficient for anything.
esraretin 1 month ago
i cant see a god.everything seems like chance .unbelievable disases,people were dying because of simple ilnesses in past century,there re people who have different chromosome numbers,science finds evolution,all mammals show same specialities,all land animals have humerus,radyus,ulna bones.there is such an animal like seal.1,5 billion chineses live in this planet.quantum physicists say there is probaly no god.who can say im responsible for not believing god if i have some bisexual feelings?
esraretin 1 month ago
Lol you should know that the HamzaAndresTzortzis account on youtube is run a by an Islam hater pretending to be Hamza Tzortzis.
criccraze786 1 month ago
Keep up the good work, forget the losers in the comment section
mrAsim7 1 month ago 5
shut up, you claiming that you understand thr Quran mire than Tabary or Jalalian????
MrRomel00 1 month ago
there is no interpretation in medicine. ye can`t make gold out of porkears.
gottbutter 1 month ago
and yet the quran's predictions fail. every time.
sinprelic 1 month ago
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That Is the fake hamza tzortzis commenting below. It just shows how sad atheists are to stoop that low.
qharoon17 1 month ago
That Is the fake hamza tzortzis commenting below. It just shows how sad atheists are to stoop that low.
qharoon17 1 month ago
Atheist have got nothing on Islam. The truth hurts and they can not stand it. I like seeing them suffer, just a warm up for the afterlife.
DrKildem 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Ah come on mate, I know you are a fake, you even admitted it to me by a comment on my channel page.
cleticprincess1956 2 months ago
Sorry Hamza but you so-called academic paper is a load of crap. Not even a first year university student would present a paper like that for marking, if they did it would get an instant fail.
cleticprincess1956 2 months ago
i'm confused hamza so what the HELL are you trying to prove by saying the quran doesn't negate fact. I like the fact that the quran is a literary miracle. This science of the quran crap is nonsense, it takes muslims away from islam. oh well.
halflifeproductionz 2 months ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis "says we are made from leech like clotted lumps" you means in our past past?
"kufrs believe we came from apes" No they aren't. You are stupid or what? Anyway, leech is in the fetus development and common ancestors is in the tree of life.
If you aren'T a phoney, you definitively are sick (and studpid...). You are hopeless...
KaonNeutre 2 months ago
Dear weirdo wacko,
please go read the Myers blog again and *try* to understand what you read (I know that it can be difficult, even impossible, in this amazing hypnosis state of mind that is indoctrination).
scienceblogs com/pharyngula/2011/12/hamza_tzortzis_on_the_intellec php
KaonNeutre 2 months ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Wow... if you are not a troll and you are serious, you should be placed in a psychiatric hospital.
KaonNeutre 2 months ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis - Brilliant...Love your work. May the talking ants sing you to sleep....I refer you to 4:40, 10:61 and 34:3 - Where Allah in his wisdom uses the word "atom" to describe quantum physics to a monkey.
rogan71 2 months ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis THIS IS NOT HAMZA IT IS SOMEBODY PRETENDING TO BE HIM. CLOSE THE ACCOUNT BEFORE WE FILE A COMPLAINT.
soltbolz 2 months ago
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Jopahify 2 months ago
Brother Hamza You should denounce this users here using your name "HamzaAndreasTzortzis".
Lame just lame...
Domna7 2 months ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis You're clearly not very bright. Your parents will be in the hellfire too. Think about what we'll talk about when you're finally not around lol. Little internet bravado, Hamza the Liar™ You have nothing to offer atheists, you straw-man and lie outright. Go settle your differences with the Jews and Xians and then maybe you can step up to our level. We believe in nothing? I wasn't aware we were all nihilists. Learn your terms Hamza, you're a lightweight.
Jopahify 2 months ago
I call poe!
aphrodita81 2 months ago
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@HamzaAndreasTzortzis More illogical gibberish. What a surprise. Has anyone ever told you guys how much you resemble the Christian apologists? You're practically identical, only you guys are wholly unprofessional and inexperienced. Your rehashing of the same nonsense is still nonsense (yes even in Arabic). I wish you no luck with *your* intellectual dishonesty - all 3k views of it.. Lol what small-time turds you are.
Jopahify 2 months ago 11
@Jopahify Dude, you know it's a novelty account aka not really him, right?
SaudiPseudonym 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis would you please stop calling people "intellectually dishonest" for the crime of remaining unconvinced by your argumentation? Especially since you yourself criticize in this very video the practice of interpreting the quran from the standpoint of contemporary scientific understanding? I suggest that instead of dishing out accusations you may wish to spend your time on developing a better argument. You know, one that is actually, ahem, convincing?
aphrodita81 2 months ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I don't have a clean shaven face, and how that equates to anything, is I guess just part of the trip you're on. You do realize your attempts to cast magic spells from your book on me are futile. You don't have a higher learning or special channel in your brain to understand things I can't, why do you still play pretend? How old are you? You know you don't have super powers kiddo. Your man-made god of war is a primitive superstition. Get a real job.
Jopahify 2 months ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Shut up faggot no one cares. Stop lying. And shave that ferret off your face.
Jopahify 2 months ago
i would have hoped that Hamza would check PZ's response with details about how stupid his (Hamza's) claims are...
but i am sure he won't .. after all, he is a "devout" theist, someone who goes "LA LA LA LA - I am right, I won't hear what you say" when presented with facts.
MrJekyllDrHyde1 2 months ago
Hamza Fail.
Quran Fail.
The Quran is alsmost a verbatim copy of incorrect greek medicine theory. Both are wrong.
Therefore, the Quran is wrong. If the Quran is wrong, it's not divine.
If its not divine its man made.
If its man made, its not pure.
Keep following your ridiculous mythology.
6thMessenger 2 months ago
hamza make a scientific and linguistic analysis of how adam and eve are our ancestors.
halflifeproductionz 2 months ago
i think the only dishonesty comes from hamza when he thinks it wrong to superimpose 21st century understanding of science to ancient texts but its okay to impose such understandings to the quran. The quran could mean anything in light of science.
halflifeproductionz 2 months ago
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"We as Muslims reject the idea of freedom of speech, and even the idea of freedom.." -Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
This guy is a Muslim extremist who wants to overthrow the secular democracies and set up an Islamic theocratic state. Every Muslim that watches this with me thinks he's cuckoo. Maybe he should see what it's like in such places like Somalia, Saudi Arabia, or Iran.
Jopahify 2 months ago 15
@Jopahify They pretty much added stuff to Sharia Law like the death penalty which I think shouldn't be.
As for extremist I think Hamza is far from that and making false accusations about him isn't going to help.
What does this video have to do with Sharia Law anyway? He is talking about embryology in the Quran.
Also why bring up countries like Saudi in the first place when those are the people who are apparently rocking music and prostitutes (Muslims said...LOL).
soltbolz 2 months ago
@soltbolz His views are extreme. He's a creationist, fundamental literalist, a pathological liar and completely deluded. None of this is false. See his response to me about metaphysical cause & effect- yeah he's got a lot of loose screws. He blocks and censors comments, thinks the "light" of Islam is also a demented evil torturing god. He thinks language in the Quran is somehow miraculous, rather than a cultural poetic form, no more unique than any other style. This is all crazy talk.
Jopahify 2 months ago
@Jopahify The HamzaAndreasTzortzis channel is NOT Hamza i repeat NOT Hamza some Atheist made it just to make him look like a dickhead. Hamza would never claim to be the last messenger of God.
soltbolz 2 months ago
@soltbolz What the hell are you even talking about.. lol?
Jopahify 2 months ago
@Jopahify PZ Myers lied about embryology he said it happens simultaneously when they don't. So PZ Myers and Adnan got it wrong and NOT Hamza. Did you not watch this video?
soltbolz 2 months ago
@soltbolz I don't think you've been paying much attention to anything but this video, which happened way after Hamza was already shown to be wrong. Post hoc reasoning doesn't make Hamza now correct, regardless if he finally understands the science. Here, he does nothing but eisegesis to obfuscate his error - and parody language in an extreme way so everything means just what he means. And he remains extreme as I haven't heard a rebuttal.
Jopahify 2 months ago
@Jopahify Im sorry I was just paying attention to this video lol. He made statements which are true though in the video and PZ Myers admits that it is wrong IF it was what Adnan was saying and Adnan was wrong so its fine and dandy.
soltbolz 2 months ago
@Jopahify Anjem Choudary is the one who has extreme views NOT Hamza.
soltbolz 2 months ago
@Jopahify he would argue its not a PERFECT islamic state. The only perfect islamic states were in the islamic golden age where science and innovation flourished, but the taliban infested afghanistan or the al shabaab criminals in somalia. These aren't proper islamic states because everybody knows they all equal oppression therefore whatever doesn't sell islam = unislamic.
halflifeproductionz 2 months ago
@halflifeproductionz
"The only perfect islamic states were in the islamic golden age where science and innovation flourished"
Hold on, for science and innovation to flourish, you need it set up in such a way that people aren't killed for opinions they do or do not hold...Hamza advocates the killing of apostates- that's one example of "freedom of thought" being oppressed...Hamza is just a mild version of the Taleban you tar with the "unIslamic" brush.
TurboDally 1 month ago
@Jopahify Tell me how it feels like to be in a place like Saudi Arabia? No, I really want to know how they brainwash you in your media. I am a national of a democratic country where freedom of speech is admired, but now living in Saudi Arabia for last 10 years. Just a question, where are you from and have you been to Somalia, or Saudi Arabia or Iran yourself?
Asemahdi3 1 month ago
@Jopahify Its a joke.... lol Hamza Extremist
loooooooool
DawahVideosIslam 1 month ago
What a load of ex post facto reasoning.
nontheistdavid 2 months ago
@Ghoshul If you dont know anything about god than dont be telling people what they believe in or not. God is the creator he is more real than this so called "real world". Yes god is a force of will. Anything he wills just becomes. Anything he wants just happens. He isnt magic he is most powerful noone can be compared to him. He created everything god was not created he has allways been. If you wana get in to those details just google about this stuff.
iOutComei 2 months ago
@iOutComei Are you really not aware that everything you just claimed are bald assertions? You literally just stated a bunch of properties you have no evidence for at all, just people saying so. This is why you believe..? Google god's details, are you serious? Right after I'm done searching leprechauns and ancient aliens.. you are simply stupid. What a terrible example you are to intellectual Muslims, if there are any.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Ghoshul Okey, i can play your way. All knowing Ghoshul please give me your wisdom and tell me where did the thing that caused big bang come from and did the thing that made the thing that caused the big bang came from and so on and on till you have no answers. Than what will you say? That it was allways there? nothing created it? No, really am not kidding answer me.
iOutComei 2 months ago
@iOutComei There didn't have to be a first cause at all. And instead of infinite regression of what made the prior, why not say the universe itself is eternal and without cause, save a step instead of saying god is an uncaused cause. Nobody knows yet.. and science is the ONLY reliable method to unsolving these mysteries. Nonbelievers don't claim no god possible, they just aren't convinced by "god did it" assertions. A creator doesn't solve anything- like how did it create? From what?
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Ghoshul You know there is more than ONE universe. Muslims believe that god has the power to create something out of nothing. God just says be and it is. That is my answer either laugh at it or mock me or disrepect me all you want it still makes sence to me that god exists. Without him how could eveything be in such a good order.
iOutComei 2 months ago
@iOutComei No one knows for certain about that, can you stop asserting things you think or believe, *as fact* already.. it's all you are doing. You prefer a collective imaginary friend that doesn't manifest in any way, assume it's authentic because you have an imagination and very weak critical thinking skills. Presenting this as likely to be true is frankly absurd and based on NOTHING. Either show it or you don't know it. And I guess you've never heard of entropy.. 'good order'?
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Ghoshul Unless you can prove it otherwise i am right. Explain all the mircales prophets performed. Explain how the sea split apart when the Jewish people were about to be killed. I heard a strong wind seperated it but it hasnt happened any other time and to happen right when they needed it, its amazing. Also if the wind was strong enough to split the a sea apart it would have tossed the people off the planet. I believe the prophets that showed us miracles thats the extra proof.
iOutComei 2 months ago
@Ghoshul Yes, good order. How we have everything in order to survive. How the sun is so perfect to keep us alive and warm. How the moon lets us know when a month has passed. How everything in this world has a purpose. So much more that i could go on and on. Our brain's and hearts our feelings they are not just some evolution. These things are unique and most impressive. I simply cant believe this evolved from a mindless fish.
iOutComei 2 months ago
@Ghoshul You know that earth was a dead rock right? With no life what soever on it. I dont blame it i mean a big bang wont give life will it? Imagine big bang man it must have been HUGE. So how did a world with no living life what so ever become full of life all of a sudden? Big Bang would not leave a single life form in its path. One star explosion can kill everything if it exploded here. Imagine Big Bang. To think that big bang was the start of life is complete nonsence.
iOutComei 2 months ago
@iOutComei I'm sorry but you are so mislead and uneducated this is too difficult to waste posting on youtube about, if you want to mail me and have a real discussion that's fine but everything you just said is either completely false (Hebrews fleeing Egyptian bondage), utter drivel (Goldilocks fallacy, arguments from ignorance), and repeated lack of knowledge pertaining to cosmology. You're being willfully ignorant and you don't care about what's true, just what makes you comfortable.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Ghoshul I also find it funny how you toss history asside just because you dont agree with it. These are true facts and true history. Abraham, Moses, Jesus all real. All in history and witnesses who have written about the miracles they did. You not believe in what you want not what is true. You are simply an ignorant asshole. You have been disrespecting me in every comment calling me stupid when the real idiot here is you believing that we are some fish. How stupid are you? *blocked*
iOutComei 2 months ago
@iOutComei Rofl. You're seriously brain-dead. All hail witness to the failed apologist liar for Mohammed, who just got owned. You need to spend serious time on history little guy. Where are your sources and evidence for any of this? You have none. Almost nothing recorded in the bible has any truth in it. Show me the evidence for your claims, or continue being my bitch. The only history deniers here are obvious. We have natural explanations on the one hand, and magic on the other.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@iOutComei Honestly your last bit about the big bang is just so.. warped beyond recognition. I deeply suggest you read up on what the big bang was, and what we have found out about it since. You do realize the building blocks of life can come from non-life right? What do you think everything is made of, including our bodies down to the cells? The elements.and their atoms. These things are not alive. You have so much science to learn, and you're sitting on youtube talking about myths.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Ghoshul Our body is made out of clay which is from this planet. Most asked questions are answered in the quran. Instead of telling me my mistakes why dont you simply tell me what is and whats not. I doupt you know it yourself. All you been doing this all time is telling me how my questions have mistakes in them. These are questions for god sake just answer me instead of relling me so other things. I give you straight answers you do the same or am gonna block you for good.
iOutComei 2 months ago
play of words, result stays the same.
deestilo 2 months ago
Athiest were monkeys and became human n denied existence of god n then became donkeys. This evolution process is now an established fact. Lolls just kidding with my confused brothers in humanity
DesiLeaks 2 months ago
It is not our job to make people believe in things they wish to ignore and hate. Your foul language will not harm Allah, Islam or even Muslims, your arrogance harms yourself the most. If you wish to not believe then that is your choice, if you can't respect others, that is also your choice, but expect no respect back.
coolcatt654 2 months ago
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@coolcatt654 How can you call nonbelievers arrogant when you just said you know a god exists, when you do NOT know for certain, right? You are not absolutely certain a god exists, you assert that it does and then look for reasons to support it right? But you do not *know*. Do not play word games.
Syrmatae 2 months ago 6
I meant to put We don't know there is a God, in commas.
coolcatt654 2 months ago
Wow, the comments... Atheists are some of the most contradictory people, if you look at their beliefs. We don't know there is a God - yes we do, it is still a belief in a sense as it is all part of the unseen like so much in this world. It is YOU who do not know if there is a God!
coolcatt654 2 months ago
Look at the dislike bar... they must be scared/be worried about what you are saying on some level, its looks like a co-ordinated dislike thing that sometimes goes on.
coolcatt654 2 months ago
and complements Quran with established facts. Whereas the other cause of athiest rise is social needs and behaviour. people need freedom to do whatever they please and does not appreciate religious limitations. Therefore almost all Gays are athiest and contributes a high % of athiest population.Science leads us closer to our creator and negates false beliefs.I am yet to see a strong argument against existence of God except that v cant see him or if he exist y v suffer.dont complain, ask his help
DesiLeaks 2 months ago
@DesiLeaks You are probably the dumbest person to ever use a computer. Congratulations. There isn't a word to describe how wrong you are, and how childish your views are. None of you know if there is a god, you think there is, but you don't know. Now what do you have besides this idea to substantiate it? A book written by people? You need to do better than that. This whole exercise by hamza and the like is simply laughable. You'll never get anywhere ignoring reality.
Syrmatae 2 months ago
Athiest have lived for long time before even science came into picture. However their numbers have always been low due to common human nature of appreciation. When we see everything around us from our universe to galaxies and from everything inhabiting seas to our lands, we all thank the creator. However recent rise in athiest population is due to science and social needs. Science negates every false god such as Jesus and all other pegan gods. Science also coincides with Quran.. continued..
DesiLeaks 2 months ago
Due to diff religions inventing false gods, many are now doubting the existence of creator. However these people have very narrow understanding of god and think creator should resemble his creation.Creator is one n only, he is absolute n eternal, he begets not,nor he is begotten,n theres nothing like him. Thats muslims idea of god.Science is in its early stage of discoveries n does not rule out creationism or existence of creator.Look at dark matter 4 example.do u c it?can u deny its existence?
DesiLeaks 2 months ago
@DesiLeaks I hate to break this to you but nothing you argue is new, and there's nothing narrow to the understanding of your god(s). How do you know this god has these properties? I know god doesn't tell you, so how did you measure or test any of these claims? You didn't. Stop being dishonest and asserting things you don't know. Creationism is patently untrue and has been falsified, it is dead. And I suggest you look up dark matter and realize it doesn't help your cause whatsoever.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Ghoshul "How do you know this god has these properties?"
this is the result of a lack of knowledge.
listen well : the universe has to have a cause, it HAS a BEGINNING and an END that's a fact (look hubble). This cause (I dont say God ftm) : has to be unbound by space and time (ETERNAL), because there wasn't space and time, IMMATERIAL, there wasn't material before.
Domna7 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Domna7 Why are you trying to spam your silly arguments that have been dealt with and buried a thousand times if you'd ever get your head out of the sand. Look up the kalam and ontological arguments from a skeptic's point of view. I'm afraid you have no idea what you are talking about and actually think anything you are blathering about is new or irrefutable. Can you try and not swamp people with a bunch of crap bulleted on youtube like you are giving a lecture.. Do some research.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Ghoshul "Why are you trying to spam your silly arguments that have been dealt with and buried a thousand times if you'd ever get your head out of the sand"
So it idiots like you could maybe begin to understand what the facts are ? maybe...
I do watch video of the 2 sides, unlike most of uneducated persons like you.
" I'm afraid you have no idea what you are talking about""
What a convincing arguments.
Domna7 2 months ago
@Ghoshul "Can you try and not swamp people with a bunch of crap bulleted on youtube"
And if you dont know to respond to what I posted, can shut your mouth and get out of here, if you dont like the videos ?
" If you believe in creationism then I'm sorry you're not worth anyone's time"
If you believe that your brain a bacterias hazard, we pity you, blind person.
" I know you don't know anything about evolution or cosmology"
hhh typical reaction after I shut the mouth of the likes of you.
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 Why are you so angry? No one to play with the troll, so sad. Like I said, we both know you are ignorant in the extreme. You don't know why your arguments fail? Then look it up, it's not my job to sit here and deal with a creationist on youtube. Go ahead and claim a false victory like your boyfriend Hamza, and all the other fundie nutjobs here. You're wrong and you don't care to find out why. Reminds me of the Black Knight in Monty Python. You have my pity child.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Ghoshul man you obviously are upset from the video that refutes simply and with strong proofs that evolution is a ridiculous, destroyed by modern science facts.
again :
watch?v=mwez7YyadBw&list=PLE47D82FB669F391E&index=7&feature=plpp_video
Here a banana for you monkey so you dont stay angry ;)
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 Lol. You're a lost cause. Why isn't that video world wide news? You think a simple video on youtube is going to bring down the most rigorously tested and verified facts of evolution? This is why you're delusional. You think a video on youtube, disproves the entire basis and framework for modern biology.. And you wonder why no one wants to waste their time with you. Lol I mean, "strong proofs" WTF science doesn't even deal with proofs smart guy. Please get a clue.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Domna7 Can you please acknowledge the FACT, that you don't understand evolution? I realize you believe in your convictions strongly, but you must admit here that you don't grasp even a cursory understanding of the theory of evolution. Can you please go learn some real science that works, instead of acting like you know it all. You do not understand the science - go understand it and get back to me in a year. Otherwise we're done here.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Ghoshul "This is a timeline of your experience on the matter. Correct me if I'm wrong:"
All wrong.
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 This is a timeline of your experience on the matter. Correct me if I'm wrong:
1)You didn't learn basic biology and evolution. Then 2)You were told some very silly things by people with no other authority but assertion. Presently 3)You think those people were right and you still never learned basic biology or evolution. This is why you are wrong Domna, and have no idea what you're talking about. Not trying to be mean, but you have been mislead. Please research these topics.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Ghoshul "Not trying to be mean, but you have been mislead"
Me too, And i think its seriously its your case. two choice, see the link I gave you or not thats your problem not mine. Stop talking as if you're phd in rocket science. Atheism, darwinism, are nothing but stupid propaganda, so you became a faithless sheeps, that thinks only of materialism...And dont talk about morality, humanism blabla, which hamza was...Morality is from God, and nothing else.
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 How was it wrong? Explain to me what you learned about evolution or how you understand it, so you can explain why it's wrong. Showing me YT vids and asserting nonsense is not helping. Show me what you know and how you know it please. Stop dodging the questions.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Domna7 Atheism and darwinism are stupid propaganda? You honestly think they are like, conspiracies for people to not believe in your god? I call bullshit. You can't really believe that science is some kind of boogey man trying to take away your faith. You never even took the time to learn the science. You're closed-minded and brainwashed, that's all and I'm sorry you'll remain a stupid old parrot if you continue willfully ignoring reality.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Ghoshul atheism and darwinism isnt absolutely what we call...science...wake up guys, I know the link I gave you was hard for you, but you should give yourself some time to think about it. btw atheism doesnt exists. Only agnostics exists. There is no atheists in foxholes...Think instead of being narrow minded.
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 No man, you are seriously stupid and becoming bat-shit crazy in front of my eyes. Your link was nonsense and you know it, lol how many views on that evolution busting truth? Oh yeah. You don't even know the definition of atheist and agnostic. You are honestly the dumbest fucking person I've ever talked to. You think no one in danger remained a nonbeliever? Are you fucking kidding me? You're so wrong about everything I cannot stand to share a planet with morons like you.
trajaen534 2 months ago
@trajaen534 "Your link was nonsense"
hhhhhhhhhhhh, I will let honest people judge then. (It's not true and you know it). That's a typical reaction of agnostics that are desperately fighting to find something to say.
I repeat a pure atheist by definition it doesnt exists, everyone deep inside know there is a force, whatever you call it, that guides this universe...thus an agnostic, like einstein was.
No need to be angry, calm down and think carefully.
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 Lol okay.., why do you think I know deep down there is a force? Where did you get this information? You never even asked me before but you know this how? I'm pretty sure you still don't know what the definitions of those 2 terms are.. but answer how you know everyone, including me, "knows"' this force about blahblah.
trajaen534 2 months ago
@Domna7 I watched your video. Now why don't you go look up whatever misconceptions you have about evolution on a real website that I posted for you. I don't see why you are asking for proof, when again like I told you, science doesn't deal with proof, that's mathematics. These questions don't make sense, and you would instantly recognize that if you did this research. go to talkorigins . org
trajaen534 2 months ago
@trajaen534 Who is evading now ? science doesnt deal with proofs ? So the theory of the evolution isnt proven thank you to agree with me then :)
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 You cannot be this dense. You don't even understand the terminology. Science has proof of it's findings, and you know this, you're using a computer, a product of science right? But there isn't a one card formula or something like you're asking, which pertains to math and logic. I can't just give you gold and say I proved atomic theory right? I really don't think you are prepared to discuss a whole lot Domna, you're not showing me any signs of higher level education...
trajaen534 2 months ago
@trajaen534 "Science has proof of it's findings"
Ok then show us the proof of the "scientific" theory of the evolution.
" I can't just give you gold and say I proved atomic theory right?"
Even if you bring talk about the DNA, our modern discoveries shows that the theory is in even more difficult situaion. So stop evading and try responding.
NB : The message you read is because I though you stopped arguing.
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 watch?v=DRsN7w7iW08&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
trajaen534 2 months ago
@Domna7 You really think your arguments aren't flawed? You seriously think no one has dealt with these arguments already? You honestly believe, that no one has heard this?? If you say yes to any of the above, you have not done enough research. Stop lying and do it. Look them up. Stop lying. Got it? Let me know when you're done.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
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@Ghoshul You really think your arguments aren't flawed ? You seriously think no one has dealt with these arguments already? You honestly believe, that no one has heard this? you have not done enough research. Stop lying and do it. Look them up. Stop lying. Got it? Let me know when you're done...hhhh
Domna7 2 months ago
@Ghoshul this cause is PERSONAL, for an eternal cause to bring into existence a finite universe, it must have chosen to create this, and choice implies -> will, a will implies a personality.
with just all that said, we just resumed the traditional view, of the concept of God, at least in Islam that we believe in since 1400 ago. That's just mere facts. Where is the irrationality here ? More than this we really can do nothing for you guys.May God have mercy on you cause it is he, who guides
Domna7 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Ghoshul "Creationism is patently untrue and has been falsified, it is dead"
Actually its the other way around. That's why their invented an "escape theory" named multiverse, a theory that can never be verified according to even non theists scientific's.
Try to not get angry while seeing this :
watch?v=mwez7YyadBw&feature=related
Domna7 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@Domna7 If you believe in creationism then I'm sorry you're not worth anyone's time. There is nothing at all, to back up this notion of design but where you want to see it. I suggest you quit thinking you have all the answers and humble yourself. I know you don't know anything about evolution or cosmology so stop pretending and go look these things up on a serious level. I cannot take you serious if you believe things were created from nothing by magic.
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@Domna7 Have you ever been taught evolution? Like, how much do you know about the mechanisms and theory itself based on facts and the framework of biology? I'm asking you this because you seem to be dismissing a field that is so well attested to with facts and evidence it would really be the largest shake-up of human knowledge of all time if evolution turned out to be wrong, so instead of talking about another idea, explain why evolution is wrong in your own words.
trajaen534 2 months ago
@trajaen534 well trajean look what I posted to ghosful just now.
Here a banana for you too, so no one is jealous here, my monkey friend :)
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 Do you think that evolution teaches that humans come from monkeys? I'm wondering why you keep bringing up monkeys in regards to evolution. Does evolution as you understand it, say that humans come from monkeys?
Ghoshul 2 months ago
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@Ghoshul "Does evolution as you understand it, say that humans come from monkeys?"
No it says we were bacteria (which doesnt explains from where it did came from) a fish then the fish looked into the beach and then he turned out to a jaguar...in your case a monkey hhh
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 Okay that video is basically nothing but a creationist propaganda film. I mean they mention piltdown man? So what if someone tried to present a hoax, how does that have anything to do with everything else that isn't a hoax? Lol I mean honestly I think you are just trolling for attention to your page. You haven't shown me anything new and you clearly know very little if nothing at all about science in general, let alone real academic study. I almost feel sorry for you.
trajaen534 2 months ago
@trajaen534 " Okay that video is basically nothing but a creationist propaganda film"
Man look at your reaction and arguments, they are silly. Hoax ? hoaxes you mean, especially when there not ONE missign link found. Normally if the theory is right, we should find plenty, but not one transition fossile has been found. So...thats all you have to say ?
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 Hoaxes don't mean anything but that people are opportunistic so I don't know why you are harping on it. You are aware that no one is looking for a "missing link" right? And as I expected, you know nothing about evolution at all. Please, please I'm begging you to actually learn the science. You look ignorant as all hell and frankly stupid. There are plenty of transitional fossils, I suggest you get out from under that rock and join reality. Lying isn't your strong suit.
trajaen534 2 months ago
@trajaen534 "There are plenty of transitional fossils,"
I dont believe so mister, cause if it was the case, you would see the dumbd atheists screaming in all the world that we found them at last loool.
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 You are literally clueless. I thought you were just messing around but you really know fuck all about anything.. Try looking this stuff up instead of sitting here trying to tell me about magic because you don't know any better. You are so infantile it's astonishing you can use a computer. What does my age have to do with anything? You dodge everything we ask you and stick your fingers in your ears like a fucking idiot. Whats saddest is you think you are smart. Lol just wow moron.
trajaen534 2 months ago
@trajaen534 I dodge ? then try responding to what I said. Where is the proof of the theory of the evolution ? why is the museum arent flowing with lot of transition forms ? (and dont bring back the ones that were already refuted, by non theists scientific community, homo abilis etc...)
Im waiting :)
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 Do yourself a favor and learn the science. You never learned biology. You are asking inane questions. If you knew anything, honestly even just a wiki entry on evolution, you'd understand why you're not even making sense.
trajaen534 2 months ago
@trajaen534 "You dodge everything we ask you""
Respond to the questions I putted then. Proof of the theory ?
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 If you're not going to go and look, then just shut the fuck up and say you win because magic is real and you believe it, and I can stop wasting my time with a retard. Either do the work or you're a liar. Simple as that. If you don't comprehend evolution, you cannot tell me it is wrong. Do you understand why?
trajaen534 2 months ago
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Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 Now who is scared shitless to go to the website to get the proof he wants? Yes, Little Domna, the way they play pretend is so cute. Thanks for dodging everything, and demonstrating once and again, creationists have nothing to say when it comes to the actual theory of evolution, just why they don't like it. They know nothing about the science. How miserable you all are. This video is fucking stupid lol. Get some.
trajaen534 2 months ago
@trajaen534 yeah yeah, I'm still here waiting a clear, precise and concise response, so we see your so called education in action. good luck lol.
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 Read what I have said. If you don't want to then you don't want to and you do not care about what I'm saying. You literally just misunderstood what I just said to you. Go to the website. You sent me to your video, am I not allowed to send you somewhere too? DNA is hurting evolution? This is news to everyone you realize that right? Even PZ gives a talk at skepticon 4 about this very recently, I suggest you look that up too, but you won't, so I dunno why I'm wasting time here.
trajaen534 2 months ago
@trajaen534 "You literally just misunderstood what I just said to you"
I dont think so. I tought I was clear that you should show us the proof of the evolution. I dont think you need to go a website to show it to me, if you are so educated about the matter. About the DNA, the neo darwnists said evolution has been made by mutation of the DNA...big mistake cause the coded information (DNA) doesnt transform, but just lose information and thats all. Feell free to search if you want. still waiting
Domna7 2 months ago
@trajaen534 folk, need to go. I think we talked for a while, you have your position and I have mine, let's let people comments about the subject here. see ya
Domna7 2 months ago
@trajaen534 Remember the google logo ? missing link found !...soon after it was a discovered in fact that it is a lemurian fossile...hhhh. The problem here is, why when they dont have proves of their theory, like I mentionned, they still teach this idiocy ? you should wake up and not buy all what they thaught you at school guys.
Here another bananas :)
Domna7 2 months ago
@Domna7 Here's a good link to start your new life as an informed, intelligent human being. talkorigins'dot'org Now go learn the science that you are so disgustingly naive about.
trajaen534 2 months ago
@trajaen534 hhhh a 26 years old talking like this to me, its funny hhhhhh
Domna7 2 months ago
@Ghoshul Ur argument is nothing new.U want to c the creator to beleive in him. spritual properties of creator is merciful, beneficient, just etc but when u look for physical properties see my previous comment for what he is NOT. The moment u try to mix creation with creator, is whn u fall on ur face wondering and denying. Ur answer is a proof of ur ignorance in regards to dark matter. do me a favour, tell me what is not god? B4 claiming non existence of god.
DesiLeaks 2 months ago
@DesiLeaks You make almost no sense at all. Why are you presupposing a creator or god when you have nothing to show for it? You are just asserting things, how about demonstrate them. I'm sorry you don't understand what I'm saying but that's not my fault. Why do you assume a creator? What leads you to think that the universe was created?
Ghoshul 2 months ago
@DesiLeaks "Due to diff religions inventing false gods, many are now doubting the existence of creator. However these people have very narrow understanding of god and think creator should resemble his creation"
Very important point here to mention. thank you
Domna7 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
Ah LOoooooool Atheists are seriously stupid. The reason they're telling you to dislike the video is to see if the Atheists have seen it or not, and to increase viewers. Anyways, PZ Myers was a bad speaker, foul mouthed, and too full of what he's saying as if knows everything. Islam will teach you how to be a healthy minded human, not an arrogant Atheist.
Lunarek 2 months ago
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Q: Why can't Hamza walk on water?
A: Quite Frankly, he's shot himself in the foot so often he finds it difficult to walk on anything!
EarwiggoAgain 2 months ago 3
Hey dude blocking people aint part of healthy debate plus it is morally wrong.u are depriving people like me to see a good dialogue which is very civilised and without any profanity.one of your friends TheRationalizer is blocked by you.please unblock him and clear the misconception about lack of free speech that is so much attached with muslims.
dubi186 2 months ago
Hamza is inept! I hear that when he fell off his camel, he missed the sand!
;D
EarwiggoAgain 2 months ago
Spectator on the intellectual dishonesty of Hamza Tzortzis:
It's shocking.
MardasMan 2 months ago
alot of stupid people are disliking this not because they are not convinced. but because they don`t want to be convinced
thank you brother Hamza for your hard work
but those people don`t want to be Muslims. not because they think Islam is not the true religion, but because they want to live like animals. they just want to drink wine, date women and do drugs. oh wait even animals don`t do drugs.
the prof that Islam is the truth is that all Forbidden things it told us about are harmful to people
GBBWAR 2 months ago
Wait. This Hamza isn't an expert on Arabic, the Koran, or embryology. And he is trying to debate an embryologist about what the Koran says in Arabic. Why do these people think they are even remotely qualified? What a laugh this iERA thing is. A bunch of dishonest clowns running around with The Truth™ and we're the Islam-Haters? Why didn't the Koran spell out what Hamza is trying to say with no ambiguity, instead of him reading back into it? Because this is all fantasy. Hamza is a false prophet.
trajaen534 2 months ago 2
@trajaen534 But he is using reliable sources to back up his ideas and lets be honest, anybody can lie regardless of their qualifications. Also the Quran is in a different language so you will get different words. For example Hannah in Japanese means nose and flower in english and those are two completely different words. It almost pisses me off when people say we are doing wishful thinking when they are doing the same in linking it to greek medicine.
soltbolz 2 months ago
@soltbolz So the reliable sources could be lies as well according to you. What this comes down to is belief in magic. Even if all these claims were true, how does magic explain anything? How did your god influence the author or get the text written? What mechanism other than magic did this godthing use? You don't know? Then you're talking out of your ass. Where else in the real world do you see magic but in movies? That's what I thought. You are wrong. Time to grow up.
trajaen534 2 months ago