you realize this video was made in the 80s? if this "controlling" hasn't happened yet, then it won't. plus this is a lesson in my ap bio class, once something like this gets in a text book, then it won't effect anyone.
A lot of people, even psychologists, misunderstand behaviorism. Behaviorism doesn't assume that people are pigeons. It assumes that the methods used to teach pigeons can be used to teach humans.
People don't have a problem using drugs that were tested on animals so why do people have a problem using teaching techniques that were tested on animals?
I like how Skinner uses experimental psychological studies to evidence his theory of environmental dependence. A person reinforces habits that came from the pleasure/pain principle in the environment, and through the environment, we can create more beneficial habits for humans.
I haven't too read much about Skinner's theory but it seems practical and as the saying goes: I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me.
Yeah... anyone know where this is from??? The Skinner Foundation is trying to collect find copyrights to many of BF's videos so they can post videos directly from their sight
@Crosswizz The thing is, we don't. People like the guys that lie and say they will do 3x more than they actually can, because that's what the public wants to hear. They vote, and reinforce, liars. Even good politicians are forced to lie if they want to get voted in.
What concerns me about Skinners work is, he based it on caged animals and the environment as he points out determines the response. I believe a caged environment compounds the affect in more ways than just mental. Physical effects on being caged, effect the mind as does the stress incurred by being locked up.
Just about all of the modern criticism people have towards Watson and Skinner have far more to do with their dislike of his theory rather than an intellectual disagreement based on evidence.
These comments are funny, some of you think Skinner was some evil scientist that tried to reduce humans to animals, and i'll bet you haven't cracked open one book of his, yet you live your life under behavioral descriptions. You decide whether you like or dislike someone by analyzing their behavior. Skinner didn't have a soul nor do you, have you had your yearly "soul" check up at the doctor this year? to say someone is a good soul or a bad soul or has no soul is to reference their BEHAVIOR.
You're confusing psychology with philosophy. The existance of a soul is a philosophical problem, not a psychological one. It has nothing to do with behaviourism... Otherwise, explain how some people reach Kohlberg's sixth step (Gandhi) when they are "punished" instead or "rewarded" while doing so.
@cancerbero8 you are not corret. You in fact do not know if they are being punished. You said that because in your particular opinion seems like they are being punished. But in their shoes, maybe this is not true. And reward is very different from reinforcement.
Skinner did not call internal processes imaginary; he called internal cause imaginary.
Big difference. Read "Science and Human Behavior" (1953) or "Verbal Behavior" (1957) and realize all internal processes are lawful as external observable behavior is lawful.
One can behave more based on intrinsic reinforcement as opposed to extrinsic reinforcement, but all intrinsic reinforcement is conditioned by past experience.
Steven Hawking probably embraces this shitbag's ideas. Skinner had no soul. You are just a dog to him and people who subscribe to his operant conditioning fucking bullshit. Nazi's probably love this man too.
Skinner's views on operant conditioning remain extremely influential in understanding animal behaviours, from hamster to human. However, he's not the be-all and end-all of human psychology.
I think what you guys are missing is the value of individuals buying into one school of thought so avidly. Each individual that believes 100% in something devotes all of their time to advancing that field. If we have an individual obsessively advancing each field we end up with multiple schools of thoughts/research being advanced at very high rates and those who are in the middle can benefit greatly from the use of each of these schools of thought.
Another way in which Skinner was misunderstood. You have no idea what you are talking about. It was Watson who took the "blank slate" stance.
Skinner acknowledged genetics and biological determinants. He also acknowledged internal processes - but he only explored the empirical basis of behavior - that which could be observed.
Also, Skinner was for the most part, atheoretical; his major contributions were method rather than theory.
Skinner did acknowledge internal processes but chose to not dwell on them because they are not falsifiable. The quote you have posted simply states that the internal processes do not matter if external causes can be proven and being as such that external causes should be studied because they are more scientifically provable.
Skinner's right about morals & freedom. Wrong only on philosophy. Man is not a "caged ape," but rather able to condition more fully by thought then by action in environment. Still thought is controlled by external stimulus, but thought conditions more. Hence your free will is merely a sharpened discriminative control.
Ray, B. (1969) Selective attention: the effects of combining stimuli which control incompatible behavior. J. of the Exp. Analysis of Beh., 12, 539-550.
Pinker is a Sociobiologist. Sociobiology is inherently ad-hoc and therefore unscientific, in my opinion. If you want a valid biological theory, turn to Ethology.
mind control
princeziachbiatch 2 weeks ago
"Anything is possible....." IF you do what "we" tell you. Your sense of self is removed and happiness is Contingent upon your doing what "we" say.
IExposeMormonism 2 months ago
but whats the difference between shaping and chaining? maybe i shudnt ocme onto youtube for my uni work...
alanschapira 2 months ago
is it weird if i get a boner after watching this?
Guyslimz 3 months ago
you realize this video was made in the 80s? if this "controlling" hasn't happened yet, then it won't. plus this is a lesson in my ap bio class, once something like this gets in a text book, then it won't effect anyone.
ILovetheYOUTUBYS 4 months ago
Yay its so great to develope means manipulate and infuence human behavior! Who wants a free thinking and uncompliant society?
phillfamous 9 months ago
@phillfamous since when is a pigeon a human, m0R0n :|
pseudonominous 9 months ago
@phillfamous are we ever REALY free?
proideot 6 months ago
THE VENUS PROJECT IS THE ANSWER!
Stillillgal 9 months ago
Skinner's ideas are wonderful, but also dangerous. Brave New World is a great example of it, and even his own book, Walden II
turokcalde 10 months ago
A lot of people, even psychologists, misunderstand behaviorism. Behaviorism doesn't assume that people are pigeons. It assumes that the methods used to teach pigeons can be used to teach humans.
People don't have a problem using drugs that were tested on animals so why do people have a problem using teaching techniques that were tested on animals?
KingOfMadCows 10 months ago
What were the machines called, that the kids played with?
sweetgirlstonecol316 11 months ago
This is an interesting theory.
I like how Skinner uses experimental psychological studies to evidence his theory of environmental dependence. A person reinforces habits that came from the pleasure/pain principle in the environment, and through the environment, we can create more beneficial habits for humans.
I haven't too read much about Skinner's theory but it seems practical and as the saying goes: I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me.
Bremerxxxx 1 year ago
Yeah... anyone know where this is from??? The Skinner Foundation is trying to collect find copyrights to many of BF's videos so they can post videos directly from their sight
SirNuttEsquire 1 year ago
Thumbs up to all of us who watched this is Psych class =-)
Silversaphire00 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you watched this in Psychology class!
iluvutube 1 year ago
What is this from? The narrator sounds an awful lot like Hugh Downs.
martianroom 1 year ago
:O Brimnal frank skinner!
CTUMedia 1 year ago
We should award politicians for not lying
Crosswizz 1 year ago
@Crosswizz The thing is, we don't. People like the guys that lie and say they will do 3x more than they actually can, because that's what the public wants to hear. They vote, and reinforce, liars. Even good politicians are forced to lie if they want to get voted in.
1337quantumnerd 1 year ago
that's why i take the red pill everyday. now, that is positive reinforcement
alessandroiscool 1 year ago
you absolute skinner! you should have done an experiment on how quickly you make it brimnal my friend!
laurieparkour 1 year ago
I agree with vespacurry being in a caged environment will change how animals react. And there for you will not get the correct analysis.
djmrhigh 1 year ago
jamesykt69 you sound alot like one of those crazy right wing republicans.
vicioustruth1 1 year ago
change the enviroment change the individual. Alot like socialism, or Marxism.
jamesykt69 1 year ago
hey, does anyone know the name of the documentary?
mattsmeby 2 years ago
What concerns me about Skinners work is, he based it on caged animals and the environment as he points out determines the response. I believe a caged environment compounds the affect in more ways than just mental. Physical effects on being caged, effect the mind as does the stress incurred by being locked up.
vespacurry 2 years ago
eugenics
ThoughtCriminal912 2 years ago
I would sell myself to get the video of the TV program where Skinner and Rogers are together!
BTW have you read about the symposium wich they both atended?
KarnaK02 2 years ago
Just about all of the modern criticism people have towards Watson and Skinner have far more to do with their dislike of his theory rather than an intellectual disagreement based on evidence.
Gymnopedie55 2 years ago
this sick fuck
pipesbitch 2 years ago
These comments are funny, some of you think Skinner was some evil scientist that tried to reduce humans to animals, and i'll bet you haven't cracked open one book of his, yet you live your life under behavioral descriptions. You decide whether you like or dislike someone by analyzing their behavior. Skinner didn't have a soul nor do you, have you had your yearly "soul" check up at the doctor this year? to say someone is a good soul or a bad soul or has no soul is to reference their BEHAVIOR.
bopplayer 3 years ago
You're confusing psychology with philosophy. The existance of a soul is a philosophical problem, not a psychological one. It has nothing to do with behaviourism... Otherwise, explain how some people reach Kohlberg's sixth step (Gandhi) when they are "punished" instead or "rewarded" while doing so.
cancerbero8 2 years ago
@cancerbero8 you are not corret. You in fact do not know if they are being punished. You said that because in your particular opinion seems like they are being punished. But in their shoes, maybe this is not true. And reward is very different from reinforcement.
krioullo 1 year ago
Skinner did not call internal processes imaginary; he called internal cause imaginary.
Big difference. Read "Science and Human Behavior" (1953) or "Verbal Behavior" (1957) and realize all internal processes are lawful as external observable behavior is lawful.
One can behave more based on intrinsic reinforcement as opposed to extrinsic reinforcement, but all intrinsic reinforcement is conditioned by past experience.
ABAisSCIENCE 3 years ago
The last comment by that geezer is just what intelligence agencies like to believe when applying techniques to extract info from spies.
ArnoldSchwarznigger 3 years ago
thanks skinner...thanks a lot for your contributions to the American Public Fool System.
aiynaiy 3 years ago
@aiynaiy I can bet you never read a book from skinner
krioullo 1 year ago
Steven Hawking probably embraces this shitbag's ideas. Skinner had no soul. You are just a dog to him and people who subscribe to his operant conditioning fucking bullshit. Nazi's probably love this man too.
yoyorayoo 3 years ago
Skinner's views on operant conditioning remain extremely influential in understanding animal behaviours, from hamster to human. However, he's not the be-all and end-all of human psychology.
Also - reductio ad Hilerum = autoloss.
HisLordshipTheOwl 3 years ago
my guinea pigs can do that too! watch?v=BAMgBp4i-Ik
flybybutterflies 3 years ago
I trained my guinea pigs to do that too! watch?v=BAMgBp4i-Ik
flybybutterflies 3 years ago
Why is the rating disabled? This is an obvious 5-star video! :)
winterstellar 3 years ago 2
I think what you guys are missing is the value of individuals buying into one school of thought so avidly. Each individual that believes 100% in something devotes all of their time to advancing that field. If we have an individual obsessively advancing each field we end up with multiple schools of thoughts/research being advanced at very high rates and those who are in the middle can benefit greatly from the use of each of these schools of thought.
senseimak 3 years ago
Skinner's behaviourism was flawed. He assumed people were blank slates. Read Steven Pinker's book 'the Blank Slate' which debunks this idea.
jcas0167 3 years ago
Another way in which Skinner was misunderstood. You have no idea what you are talking about. It was Watson who took the "blank slate" stance.
Skinner acknowledged genetics and biological determinants. He also acknowledged internal processes - but he only explored the empirical basis of behavior - that which could be observed.
Also, Skinner was for the most part, atheoretical; his major contributions were method rather than theory.
megan4197 3 years ago
By discovering the causes of behavior we can dispose of the imagined internal cause. - B.F. Skinner.
Now don't tell me that Skinner acknowledged internal processes. I've heard him call them imaginary with my own ears.
BenjaminAConner 3 years ago
Skinner did acknowledge internal processes but chose to not dwell on them because they are not falsifiable. The quote you have posted simply states that the internal processes do not matter if external causes can be proven and being as such that external causes should be studied because they are more scientifically provable.
hatchls1 3 years ago
Skinner's right about morals & freedom. Wrong only on philosophy. Man is not a "caged ape," but rather able to condition more fully by thought then by action in environment. Still thought is controlled by external stimulus, but thought conditions more. Hence your free will is merely a sharpened discriminative control.
Ray, B. (1969) Selective attention: the effects of combining stimuli which control incompatible behavior. J. of the Exp. Analysis of Beh., 12, 539-550.
ABAisSCIENCE 3 years ago
Pinker is a Sociobiologist. Sociobiology is inherently ad-hoc and therefore unscientific, in my opinion. If you want a valid biological theory, turn to Ethology.
megan4197 3 years ago
As if Pinker is doing anything besides cursing for giggles and regurgitating 50 years-old Chomsky...
spanishforshark 2 years ago
I thought his flaw was in assuming people were pigeons.
wiscsuzski 3 years ago
very interesting
pplzsaywtf 3 years ago
these people are all illuminati, pre-Nazi WAKE UP!
laurenisastar333 3 years ago
pigeons are so smart :)love them.
xtinaboi83 4 years ago
you sure won't love them after they crap on your porch/balcony dozens of times a day!
Makavelian67 3 years ago
molto grazie!
Theaterkunst 4 years ago
anyone else find the size of skinner's head remarkable? geez
mazedull 4 years ago 2
very interesting muito interessante
luizpigeon 4 years ago
I think Skinner has been misunderstood and over-appreciated. :D I appreciate the video though!
peachpanic 4 years ago
Wonderful video. Thank you. Wish it had been longer.
Rhonda9 4 years ago
Thanks for posting this video. He has been largely misunderstood and under-appreciated. Good to have some info on him.
kdbod 4 years ago
I second that emotion.
LabRat3K 4 years ago
read skinner's "walden two"
tmdix 4 years ago