Turkish Airlines 1951 crash ATC recording - Feb. 25, 2009

[zorak950]

Primarily equipment failure, though pilots' lack of situational awareness contributed. Over the past two decades, aviation has been characterized by ever-increasing automation as flight computers have become more complex and begun to assume control as well as monitoring and advisory roles. Computers make flying safer and easier, but it's still the pilot's responsibility to monitor the controls. This was an unfortunate case of the humans not paying attention to what the machine was doing.

[ViktorB737]

3 Jatova ;)

[RottyFan1]

Attention PILOTS, ATC, and ALL other personel who communicate on the radios in aviation. PLEASE SPEAK LOUDLY, CLEARLY and at A SPEED in wich those of us who are not used to your "language" can clearly understand what your saying!!!!!!!!! Some pilots, atc, ground and other people speak like they are half asleep, have their mouths sown shut or talking a hundred mph. WHY!?!?!?!

[denhou1974]

@RottyFan1 Here's 3 reasons why we talk fast. One, because most of what we say is predictable to the listener. Two, only one person can talk at a time. Say it quick so that someone else can use the radio. Three, we are doing no less than 5 things at once while traveling at 250 feet per second. We don't want to waste time talking.

[turkogluturk81]

so so sad.. altimeter failure.. and it causes the aircraft to go retard position, therefore the computer system tries to land the plane at around 1000 feet as if the aircraft on the ground.. it shouldn't have been on the autopilot since the altimeter on the captain side was giving the failure..

[turkogluturk81]

@turkogluturk81

search on youtube for "Air Crash Investigation: Schiphol Disaster"

[prikljucak]

JAT aircraft on 00:47 :)

RIP huys from THY :((

[sladicky]

@prikljucak pogledaj brate 2:12 :)

[robertgesink13]

crash happend at 0:40 you can hear tk 1951 do not receive the atc for contact tower

[gucluatinc]

Nobody talks about the faulty equipment and nobody talks about the ATC mistakes. Everybody talks abouts the pilot mistakes:(

[Staldren]

@gucluatinc The radio altimeter was fckd up, and the pilots were using autothrottle, probably didn't even check airspeed/altitude, so it was both, faulty equipment and pilot error.

[dominice112]

@gucluatinc

Disagree, everybody talked about the faulty equipment. ATC was investigated as were the pilots, the emergency team and the people in charge on all levels.

Faulty equipment was the cause. The only thing that you might be able to point fingers at regarding the pilots is that they neglected to double check their equipment. Question remains if that would have prevented the accident due to the small window of opportunity they had to realize and react to their mechanical problems.

[jasperbaba]

@gucluatinc ultimately they did make the biggest mistake, not watch the airspeed.

if they had done this they could have landed no problems, many other aircrews with the same problem did.

[internesta]

rip the pilot Hasan Tahsin Arısan, en av bolagets mest erfarna piloter

[gitargud7]

Oh man! That's my birthday!!!!!

[lionheart270866]

the go-around at :45 sounds like JAT 262 a Serbian airline which was a separate incident. Its a shame that the pilots were flying an A/C with a faulty instrument. That's not good practice. In IFR conditions or flight pilots rely alot on their instruments especially in bad weather. If it was VFR conditions during landing it should have been a visual approach. There seemed to be a bit of panic in the cockpit from the voices heard. RIP the 9 and thank god only 9.

[lionheart270866]

Yeah it happened somewhere between 6:30-7:00 as thi is multi-freq. The last communication you here from 1951 is confirming a turn and decending to 7000' to set up for the ILS intercept no doubt. Apparently keeping the autothrottle on with a faulty Radio Altimeter which was known and not discovered by the pilots until it was too late. The go-around recovery was initiated with full throttle but the A/C speed was so low below stall to respond.

[Turkorican1978]

Allah Türk Pilotlarini bize bagislasin,cünkü onlar dünyanin en iyi Pilotlari...

[jetfire5091]

they should make a aircrash investigation on this

[afcaj0od]

@jetfire5091

exactly what i was thinking too

i've soon all episodes of aircrash inv. mabe this is a nice new one

[iphonik4]

:-(

[ZamatixNL]

Kinda dumb to let this airplane fly at all, one week earlier it had some trouble as well on a flight.

[blueeyes9166]

1 year ago.......... let we remember!!

[veganash]

Kaldıki yedeği de vardı ona bile bakmamışlar.

[peter15487]

turkish radio altitude meter fail, turkish pilots did not react in time.sight was bad.

[gelsenkirchin]

the pilots had done everything to save the passengers, and they risked their own lives, RIP pilots

[Caellest89]

@gelsenkirchin no they didn't. You can read the reports about it. The pilots, especially the captain neglected safety procedures and operational procedurs that apply for Turkish Airlines. The F/O was new, that he had to fly with a 'buddy' a more senior F/O watching over. They knew about the faulty radio meter, but have done a lot of things wrong on the approach. Explaining it now would mean youtube has to remove my character limit as right now I'm obviously getting close to that limit.

[Caellest89]

@gelsenkirchin to get to the more essential part though, the stickshaker. The F/O was the pilot flying and immediatly pushed forward on the control column and started to advance the thrust levers when the stickshaker warned for an upcoming stall. The captain then declared HE had control, so the F/O released his hands from the controls and with autothrottle still on the thrust levers went back to idle. The captain did not push forward for 6 seconds. Sorry again...the character limit.

[ChrisRenucci]

@gelsenkirchin : The final report shows very different. No heroes, just mistakes and bad luck. But may they rest in peace, this things are always very tragic.

[peter15487]

You must have did a lot of research to make such a statement.

[AshwinTheMan]

yeah, thats why we have so many accidents... NOT!

[truckervorden]

pilotfailure

[teenhakker]

i know, but i just wanted to say that :-P

[teenhakker]

but that didn't make that the plane crashed

[gillimilli]

agree with that ..

they are so unclearly and can´t manage an airport with 5 runways ..

[gillimilli]

Netherland want to keep this case as secret as possible it was your bad the bad of the atc ..

there is a go-around transmitting .. but there was no fuel on the turkish jet ..

and before the thy jet descent there was a 747 on final and the blast of that ..

take the thy jet on the ground .. there was a stall warning .. and also a human bad .. but most bad of this accident is the atc

[cdlgrainger]

Gillimilli, it is clear your knowledge is pretty tenuous, should you take the time to confirm the facts so far released you will also include the redalt problem, it's interaction with the FMGS and the failure of the crew to intervene before the aircraft stalled.

[Mixamo1993]

uhh no.. there was enough fuel in the turkish. there was no jet blast. the stall was of a failure of the altitude system in the cockpit.

[JAGIFFORD]

looks like jet2 aircraft crew confirmed the crash

[rumbleforce]

Opps lol

[ercebi1996]

@rumbleforce

i fuck your mother facking gay ;d

turkish airlines is good air ;)

[RayeSsss]

Also I do wonder where the rest of the tape is from tower west, as they must have tried to reach the Turkish Airline several times, also an emergency have been declared earlier then hearable on the tapes, as aircrafts are being guided back to the holdings already....

But again don't speculate if you don't even know how things work over there in real life.. (No IVAO or Vatsim dodo's...)

[RayeSsss]

None of you know what ur talking about lol If you don't understand what ATC is saying and how approaches work then don't comment.. all of these replies are speculations and even so wrong speculated that they can't even be correct.

To give a timeframe. 0:40 the Turkish Airlines is forwarded to Tower West frequency at 0:45 a go around is given, probably (not sure!) because ATC is missing an aircraft and have no contact... The actual timeframe in that 5 seconds on tape is probably around 2minutes.

[edam4321]

it crashed before 4 minutes because the control tower says "we have a very large emergency,LOOKS LIKE WE LOST AN AIRCRAFT, continue on this heading...." that was said at about 4:50 so it must have crashed a good bit before that. r.i.p. to those who died

[spikey851]

the pilot kept asking the ATC for permission to land but the ATC refused,,even the pilot said (we may lose the aircaft if we stay like this)...

[dominice112]

nope, he was cleared.. so, he had the clearance and that was even confirmed.

[speters987]

Some of you here really need to read the investigation report before coming on here posting about what happend. Obviously some of you don't have any insight in how radio communication works in this business.

[ashokpereira]

Its sounds like aircraft lost contacts 1st minute of this radio... There was a go around instruction.. Sounds weird But there was a incident at that point... that's for sure..

[gorby1952]

On the record I heard that some (aproaching or leaving?) aircraft had problems with the backdoor. Did this event distract ATC?

[devronp]

crash happened prior to 4:54

[gorby1952]

so...?

[Mirza711st]

After 8:15 another pilot requesting pushback clearance and ATC says Stand-by because of emergency...

From 8:40 till 9:20 deeply silence.. I think crash happened in that time period :(

Cuz on 9:20 a pilot askin for something about ground situation for approach again but answer is so bad :(

"We are this moment lookin a very large emergency looks like we lost an aircraft..."

Im not sure about its an emergency or vortex effect or a negligence but we'll see when the blackbox published.

[disembodiedMind]

Start listening at 6:45 -- the crash probably happens around 7:00 or so, give or take a half minute.

[rumbleforce]

the crash happend at 0:46 you can hear the atc contoller telling an aircraft to go around

[Nutcase2]

Telling an aircraft to "go around", can be for LOTS of reasons. This is not necessarilly related to the crash of an aircraft.

As a matter of fact, in this case, at 0:30 the Turkish Airlines was told by ATC to fly heading 210 and "cleared approach". Being a pilot based at SPL myself, I know from experience this is about 2 to 3 mins before landing. The crash happened about 1 km before the runway, so there is still at least 2 mins to go before the actual unfortunate crash of this aircraft!

[1053857]

@rumbleforce Thats not the crash...

[1053857]

@rumbleforce They wouldn't continue operations for several minutes after the crash.

[sladicky]

@rumbleforce Its an JAT Airways aircraft...

[bijlmermont]

@rumbleforce nee hij heeft gelijk anders zou de APP geen arrivels meer klaren voor de 18R

[blueb0g]

@disembodiedMind No, Disembodied is correct, the crash happens around 7:00 I think.

[zdape]

is it before crash or after

[badboy19799]

qunnem turkeri beran@...

[leighash69]

The landing gear crashed up through into the cockpit and killed the captain,co-pilot and a trainie pilot,instantly.

[qzp961920]

不错.

[22896pv]

Need some help understanding something... The cockpit didn't seem to be damaged to badly. How could the three pilots be fatalities without much physical damage to that area of the plane? Flight deck seems to be very intact without much intrusion. Impact force?

[bmwchris]

the panels behind their seats creashed into them, according the the news.

[xxBabyBlu]

it was not in A'dam you fools, it was in Zwanenburg on the waterpolder & a bit in Vijfhuizen, before schiphol. if it had fallin 2 sec. before my house would be crashed to ! it's very sad.. i saw the nine bodies covered.. my friends dad saw it happen! .. but they found the black box so.. lets hope that we get some information .

[weeardguy]

The problem is that probably not one foreigner knows where 'zwanenburg' is located... when you it was near amsterdam, everyone knows where it was.

[amm095]

fucking erg,, :(

[Nneka1963]

Thanx for this upload Rumbleforce! Very interesting indeed.

[GameTube2008]

that happend in my city,

and yes the pilots died.

[skepticepilleptic]

this is creepy shit just like the dash 8 that crashed in buffalo 2 weeks ago the atc was released straight away where do they get it from so quickly?

[GameTube2008]

That process goes so fast! Because its so important.

This blackbox has been send to france first, then they released it.

[dirtyFabster]

some of the atc recordings on youtube are from live atc....

[rumbleforce]

yeah thats where i got it from

[tosunbey]

:(:(

[afrodude312]

did pilots die?\

[orhanjudas]

yes 3 pilots are die!(1student pilot):s

[DavinTerrizzi]

Who says it's the pilots' fault? Could've been a technical error...

[musicmanpilot123]

So sad. It's hard to tell who is who cause of their accents though...

[rumbleforce]

first aircraft you hear is Turkish Airlines 1951 0:11

[turkishpilot]

Cok büyük gecmis olsun .

Basimiz sagolsun :(

[rumbleforce]

refresh it its avilibal