Obama is talking about indefinite detention for detainees. So much for "not forever."
The critics are NOT saying it should close because it "makes people unhappy." The critics are saying gitmo should close because detention without charge violates strong tenets of law like habeas corpus and due process.
The international reaction against gitmo has done far more to make America unsafe than whatever the less than 100 people in gitmo now could ever do.
is it always the question about 'if it is best for america' ? is it not about universal justice ? what if it is really that most people held are actually innocent as claimed by amnesty ?
As many as 120 Guantánamo detainees were from Pakistan. Regular people working jobs in humanitarian aid charities. They weren't captured in battle by "coalition forces" as we were led to believe.
The US military offered bounty payments to Musharraf in return for AlQueda & Taliban members.
These men aren't terrorists. They were rounded up by their own & sold for bounty to the US military.
THEY became the warm bodies to be flaunted as "terrorists" to support the "war of terror."
"During the last six years, the U.S. Administration has held nearly 800 alleged terror suspects without trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. 500 of these men have now been released, but their stories - and the stories of those who remain - are largely unknown. Fragments have emerged in books and interviews, and in declassified accounts from the detainees' lawyers, but until now there has been no comprehensive overview of all their cases..."
In The Guantánamo Files, based on a detailed analysis of over 8,000 pages of transcripts released by the Pentagon, Andy Worthington, a London-based historian and journalist, brings to life Guantánamo's largely anonymous detainees.
wtf? what processes and lawyers? The Geneva convention is blatently violated, there are people there for years without trial. People are arrested ON FORGEIN SOIL where the US has no juridiction. People are kept with no evidence and are tortured till they say something! Obviously if you get constantly tortured you are gonna tell them what they want to hear!
Foreign soil where the US has no jusrisdiction? You are mixing up criminal law and war. Its not the same thing. Those aren't cops out in the streets of Chicago, they are soldiers in a foreign country during war and occupation. Think, think, think!
The US is at war. But unless the people captured are not specificly done so in the batter field, i.e. after a battle, firefight etc other arrests require, by the Geneva convention, adequate reason and count as legal arrests, so the US cannot capture them, they need to be arrested localally and extradited, after a hearing. If they are taken away from the country of capture, other than back to their own country this is illegal! US isnt bound by the Geneva convention? It's commiting war crimes.
Why are a bunch of 22 year olds talking about stuff that they don't understand? Is this what the Heritage Foundation has come to? At lest Cato has some integrity.
No, please close Gitmo. Stick them in the middle of Alabama with a sign proclaiming who they are, what they did, and where they were found. See what happens then....
Not doing so is what makes us (Western democracies) better than them (fundamentalist religious theocracies). They're still living about 500 years in the past, we don't want to mimic their behavior.
Most of the people in Gitmo are not captured on the battlefield. In fact a lot of them are sold to the US by Afghan warlords. That's why the US used to have a habit to let a judge decide over once guild. Most of the prisoners have been released without charges, after years of mistreatment. This is fashist.
Obama is talking about indefinite detention for detainees. So much for "not forever."
The critics are NOT saying it should close because it "makes people unhappy." The critics are saying gitmo should close because detention without charge violates strong tenets of law like habeas corpus and due process.
The international reaction against gitmo has done far more to make America unsafe than whatever the less than 100 people in gitmo now could ever do.
Spudst3r 2 years ago
is it always the question about 'if it is best for america' ? is it not about universal justice ? what if it is really that most people held are actually innocent as claimed by amnesty ?
ssanagav 3 years ago
There probably are some innocent people being held. There are probably a lot more evil moslem psychopathic murdering terrorist cowards.
They ought to do some reasonable investigation, figure out who is who the best they can, let the innocents go and shot the others.
Next!
XMansv 3 years ago
As many as 120 Guantánamo detainees were from Pakistan. Regular people working jobs in humanitarian aid charities. They weren't captured in battle by "coalition forces" as we were led to believe.
The US military offered bounty payments to Musharraf in return for AlQueda & Taliban members.
These men aren't terrorists. They were rounded up by their own & sold for bounty to the US military.
THEY became the warm bodies to be flaunted as "terrorists" to support the "war of terror."
STRIKE 3
ikekll 3 years ago
"During the last six years, the U.S. Administration has held nearly 800 alleged terror suspects without trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. 500 of these men have now been released, but their stories - and the stories of those who remain - are largely unknown. Fragments have emerged in books and interviews, and in declassified accounts from the detainees' lawyers, but until now there has been no comprehensive overview of all their cases..."
ikekll 3 years ago
In The Guantánamo Files, based on a detailed analysis of over 8,000 pages of transcripts released by the Pentagon, Andy Worthington, a London-based historian and journalist, brings to life Guantánamo's largely anonymous detainees.
Life at Guantánamo Bay (NewAmericaFoundation)
watch?v=3_ZhnK03nOY
ikekll 3 years ago
lol perfect logic. all those critisisms are baseless so the critics of guantanamo bay won't be happy if we close it. wtf
truthseeker83 4 years ago
LOL... what stupid conservative group is behind this company?
huskythehusky 4 years ago
wtf? what processes and lawyers? The Geneva convention is blatently violated, there are people there for years without trial. People are arrested ON FORGEIN SOIL where the US has no juridiction. People are kept with no evidence and are tortured till they say something! Obviously if you get constantly tortured you are gonna tell them what they want to hear!
pubuman 4 years ago
Foreign soil where the US has no jusrisdiction? You are mixing up criminal law and war. Its not the same thing. Those aren't cops out in the streets of Chicago, they are soldiers in a foreign country during war and occupation. Think, think, think!
XMansv 3 years ago
The US is at war. But unless the people captured are not specificly done so in the batter field, i.e. after a battle, firefight etc other arrests require, by the Geneva convention, adequate reason and count as legal arrests, so the US cannot capture them, they need to be arrested localally and extradited, after a hearing. If they are taken away from the country of capture, other than back to their own country this is illegal! US isnt bound by the Geneva convention? It's commiting war crimes.
pubuman 3 years ago
is this the propaganda department of the US government - I am a little lost here, folks!!!
larsinla 4 years ago
Why are a bunch of 22 year olds talking about stuff that they don't understand? Is this what the Heritage Foundation has come to? At lest Cato has some integrity.
afichte 4 years ago
No, please close Gitmo. Stick them in the middle of Alabama with a sign proclaiming who they are, what they did, and where they were found. See what happens then....
malan89 4 years ago
I say lets execute all of the ones that we captured on the battle field. Thats what they would do to us.
Donnie43 4 years ago
Not doing so is what makes us (Western democracies) better than them (fundamentalist religious theocracies). They're still living about 500 years in the past, we don't want to mimic their behavior.
juvea1969 4 years ago
Most of the people in Gitmo are not captured on the battlefield. In fact a lot of them are sold to the US by Afghan warlords. That's why the US used to have a habit to let a judge decide over once guild. Most of the prisoners have been released without charges, after years of mistreatment. This is fashist.
MaxSluiman 4 years ago