Atheist Backslides to Agnostic In Debate!

[ron432010]

Awsome job, Chad, but lol ... something about your camra man, he makes me dizzy.

[Sweddude]

Actually, when one is an atheist you either an gnostic atheist or an agnostic atheist.

Agnosticism is a stance on knowledge, atheism is a stance on believing.

[FollowerChrist777]

I wish I was as smart as Chad.

[Ataensic]

Yes, time, and the rest of the universe began at the big bang... What does that have to do with the invisible mythological wizard from the middle eastern writings?

[kapachangos]

what if.. the death of our universe is the cause of its existence.. and its a circular cause.

[Noogaiii]

@kapachangos genius!

[99minerkc]

It's one thing to debate the existence of a creator, BUT another to debate whether Jesus Christ's divinity. In other words to argue the existence of a creator doesn't end with accepting Jesus Christ as a savior without a totally different argument. I hold the position that we may well have an intelligent creator(but we cannot know for sure), but I see no reason to believe that there's a divine Jesus Christ, at least, when it comes to having any historical evidence for one. U need FAITH for that

[Toyomo16]

I also love how they assume that the universe encompasses all of nature, which is probably false. How about choice three: Natural laws that exist outside of the universe and have always existed caused the universe to exist. This is also more parsimonious than assuming something other than nature exists. Problem solved. Next argument please.

[Toyomo16]

If actual ifinites can't exist, then a god that is actually infinite....... Ah, I love how self-destructive the cosmological argument is. I honestly don't know why people use it. "You can't have infinites, so something needs to be infinite. Everything needs a cause, so you need to have something without a cause." I highly doubt that's what Aristotle meant. If that is what he meant, then I'll be sure never to quote him.

[bornagainanathiest]

I think your use of the word "cause" is completely wrong. And the foot spike myth has been challenged. Evidence shows the spike would have been through the ancle. Atheism does not require faith we atheist require proof of god/gods. This fact is repeated by all non believers so I wonder if theists can get off that train. Hearsay from humans of the past who also believed in witches, magic, the Earth is flat and their country was the only country IS NOT PROOF.

[astroboomboy]

Hehe, it is a philosophical law that says you cannot have an infinite regress. That's the funniest shit I have ever heard, a philosophical law. Gotta love these christians, the world would be boring without them.

[datherax]

I believe it would be beneficial for everyone to understand that you can be an atheist agnostic. Try searching around the internet for the graph of "Atheist, theist, agnostic, gnostic." Just a quick Google search containing those words should lead you to a website entitled "Freethinker" with the graph I am talking about. So in reality you could have turned him from gnostic to agnostic but that would be counter-productive to your cause.

[Devega33]

and beside, we don't even know what its like in "nothing" and we cant even imagine how nothing works, nothing can be so dense that it created an atom that is a very dense and after few billion years, it exploded and created the whole universe.. its very complicated to explain it than explaining an imaginary "God".

[Devega33]

ok i'll give a very simple example of a big bang, imagine a house.. out of nothing, there were dusts.. the word nothing doesn't exist at all, it only symbolizes the meaning of nothing that can be seen.. imagine, an empty house.. no people, no nothing.. just a house, leave that house for a million years, what do you get? dusts.. and what did they say about it? we were made out from stardust.

[Toyomo16]

@Devega33 A house is not an unimaginably dense mass of matter an energy as well as a union of the four universal forces, so your analogy fails.

[DemoraX]

the dude just quoted the bible constantly...

and then his "loving message" that he will rain fire down upon you, unless you let someone else get blown to bits, LOVELY!

gotta give him credit for repeatedly saying "science, philosophy and math!" he almost sounded intelligent.

and FYI agnostics are athiests, dont believe in a god but there could be one, same with unicorns, dragons, nyancat, i dont believe they exist, but sure they could!

as for the prophecies, a simple google can debunk them all.

[steverock85]

Ugh... I am starting to hate atheist and theist as they win the argument on each other with agnostic arguments. Yes we do not know, but by not knowing, does not give you the right to think any proposition about whether there is a god or a certain god is the truth... or if there is not a god.

Fuck them both for saying you have to believe or not. You don't. The truth is no one knows. How or why can not be known. You can only know who you are and that answer can not be found in any book.

[QUANTUMMECHANIC720]

SILLY

[creationliberty]

I do want to advise to be careful about using pagans like Aristotle to argue against other pagans. (Pro 26:4) That's the reason they believe like they do to begin with. (God doesn't have to be created. The problem is they can't see infinite absolute truth.)

Nonetheless, I have to give this video a thumbs up because I'm so glad to see other Christians speaking out. At least you're doing something. It's not common in this country, and we need more that are willing to talk to others on this issue.

[steverock85]

@creationliberty

It is well known in the scolar society that theist can be very convincing. In many fields of of logic and social study is recomended to listen how they are able to effect so many people. But they always use AGNOSTIC view to justify their claims.

This is not fair game and just wrong and misuse of agnostic views! At least atheist do not intentionally use those arguments. They are honest with their claims like those who sticks to their theist book is a fact and belives in it

[roxtar55]

LOL took the dude like 2 mins to convert the dude from atheist to agnostic lol.

[alliterationgonemad]

@shawnwilliams77. Take a look at his other stuff.

[shawnwilliams77]

He should go in a formal debate with an actual scientist/philosopher, not go on the side of the street where there are obvious people who dont know what they're talking about.

[mellamosean]

@shawnwilliams77

seriously. He's gotta a practiced speech, and he directs the conversation to only the stronger arguments. I'm sure physicists can write whole books on the subject of why the big bang happened. Simply saying, you can't explain it, therefor god exists is not an argument. This guy is talking out of his ass.

[SOAS007]

""A big palce to look for the truth is some that claimed to be the truth" ... Yea right.!!?

[cannibalcorpse151]

the universe is eternal one thing he leaves out is that most scientist say the possibility that the universe has expanded and then retracted back to the original bigbang and then expands like a rubberband is accepted ? wow man why do people stop and talk to this guy lol if it was me all i would see is another homeless guy screaming about crazy shit. and to flat out say god or the devil did it is irrational. some would say the very words god and devil are good and doing evil but i dont no lol.

[MrSchnuffs]

Agnosticism and atheism answer different questions. One is an answer to an epistemological question (what we know or can know), and one deals with what one believes. Many atheists as well as theists are agnostic.

[tube09sssss]

Actually people if you do your research there is a difference between being an atheist and agnostic first off atheist just throw out everything and say there is no God. Agnostic's can still have religious beliefs but just not be sure of there being a God. So it sounds like you all need to do your research to. But me im neither im a Christian and you all can believe what you want im not going to judge you because i cant only my God can and he is a just God and will punish those who dont believe.

[rjbraidich]

You're an idiot bro haha, just let people live there lives. When those preachers come to my university i take there bibles and throw them away. No one can tell me what to do and I'm proud to "burn in hell" if that's what you think I'll do. You will never convert everyone because I will never be converted. Give up and Ja will provide.

[BigLundi]

Atheists are agnostics, there's no backslide involved.

[herb75]

Is he literally standing on a soapbox?

[profane4me]

More faith to be an Atheist? Lets see; As an Atheist I don't need to re-write science to "force-fit" my (God position), it seems to work fine as-is with no faith required. As an Atheist I don't see myself being concerned with who I might have to stone to death because my bible tells me so, no faith needed there. As an Atheist I know it's OK for me to date a Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, or whoever "I" choose to date without being punished, no faith required there. ect, ect, ect, ect.

[Danthemanlyman7]

@Ringwaul

It means that the guy went from definitively denying that there is a God, to declaring that he isn't sure if there is a God. Now, before you go hating on people, think about what you say before you say it.

[Danthemanlyman7]

@Ringwaul

Dictionary entry for atheist:

- noun 1. person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings

The agnostic neither denies nor affirms God, while the atheist does. A real atheist clearly is not agnostic. I think it's you who is displaying ignorance. Go educate yourself about what it is you believe.

[scrap222666]

@Danthemanlyman7 Dictionary bases it's word meanings by culture and humans. One example. Gay turning from happy, joyous to homosexual.

The true atheist meaning is "Disbelief in god for absence of tangible evidence"

Bottom line is, the word is not the important part, it's what you mean by the word.

Agnostics are people who say "No evidence but I won't pick a side"

Atheists "No evidence, no god"

Proving god does not exist given the meaning of god is not possible.

[Ringwaul]

Atheist backslides to agnosticism? What is that even supposed to mean?

Every rational atheist is truly an agnostic atheist. We have no reason to believe in any God, whether it is your Jesus or Islam's Allah, but it would be illogical to make a claim "There definitely is no God" when we do not know everything. As it stands, we have zero reason to believe in a God. No evidence, no belief.

The fact that you say an atheist 'backslid to agnosticism' only outlines your ignorance.

[1GodOnlyOne]

A kindergartener could refute the silly "who created the creator" question. It is so immature, ignorant, and hackneyed, it's not even funny.

The atheist posits an infinite regress, which is a classic and moronic logical fallacy, whereas the Theist posits a first cause, God, who precludes any infinite regress. The Theistic argument is logically sound, unlike the atheist argument.

Grow up, people, and develop some intelligence -- this is not a nursery-school playground.

[longof99]

Dude, youve got guts and spiritual fortitude...keep going...

[HowDareWe]

Man bro! I can see all your hard won scholarship bearing fruit as you preach your little heart out. I'm always impressed, always moved watching God move through you. You've sharpened my sword as well.

In Christ,

TheAngel . com

[NWONEWSNOW]

They ALWAYS backslide to agnosticism because atheists do not exist.

[kingbigdawg9]

and this is what we love to see people who are lost even when we have an answer for our simple explanations .........ya u idiot you cant see God if you just look up

[alx3610]

awesome !!!!!!!!

[Onlymanolos]

My tiny mind just can't comprehend how atheists and agnostics are able to lift their head from their pillow each morning without God in their life. He is so much a part of my mind, heart, body and soul that I dare not take my next breath without acknowledging His love for me. I am so thankful and humbled by God's acceptance of me, I get choked up thinking about it. He is my best friend, my mentor and my constant companion. Thank you God for sending Your Son to us so that we may come Home to You.

[eyallev]

@Onlymanolos in that case, I too am glad (for you) to have a god to believe in, because clearly, you would have killed yourself other wise.

It's just that some of us, don't need an imaginery friend to hold our hand in order for us to "cross the street" (of life), guess we are a little more adult in that sanse (or "arogent" as you may see it).

[sedg1]

All debate aside.

If a 'sincere' person will just take God at His word, they will find out real quick that there is a God...as the Spirit of the God that created the heavens and earth will dwell in you,he'll change you from the inside out and give you a peace and joy that surpasses ALL understanding.

You will then be living for something much bigger than yourself.

God is knocking at the door of everyones heart, just ask Him to come on in and reveal Himself to you.

[bigspliffs]

If History was told how it actually happened. Atheism would be considered suicide.

[ochoan8or]

14 ppl slid back to agnostic

[liuping999]

God bless you, you're an inspiration, do not stop what you do.

[MrKevMan]

@liuping999 Yes, please showing how these whackos out there selling bullshit and advertising how full of crap they are.

This guy should be in a classroom rather than standing out in the quad.

[sldeyo]

I'm calling it....time of identification of himself "I'm an atheist." 2:54.

Time of backsliding from Atheist to Agnostic...5:39-41.

standing ovation!

[mbison83]

Awesome work, Chad. 

[gmn545]

Atheism and agnosticism aren't mutually exclusive. Agnosticism is an epistemological stance; atheism is about belief (or rather, lack thereof). A person can say "I don't know" AND say "but because I see no evidence, nor have heard any sound arguments, to support X's existence, I don't believe."

[horseburger]

Hmm, nice editing of the video. It would have been nice to see the version that wasnt cut by yourself.

Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive. I am an agnostic atheist. Your title "Atheist backslides to agnostic" as if you are claiming victory to some degree is just wrong.

Most atheists you will meet are agnostic. I rarely meet an atheist who claims to know as fact that there is no god. I give no credit to those who do.

So what, there MAY be a god. It can't be the christian one.

[IIAQUAII]

@horseburger Why not the Christian God? Do you find a problem with His commandments? Do the commandments make you feel bad about your sin? Well...that's a good thing--maybe you will turn from your sin and accept the free gift from God (Jesus Christ)

[horseburger]

@IIAQUAII

How on earth can a problem with commandments be a reason not to believe in a god? How can feeling bad about something make you disbelieve something?

You make no sense whatsoever. I understand completely why you would believe in such nonsense like noahs ark for example. It is only ONE of many examples I could use as to why the bible is total nonsense.

[IIAQUAII]

@horseburger Believing in God and Noah's ark is more logical than believing there is no god. Good things don't sprout out from nothing...neither did this universe. There are causal agents that create things--please continue listening to rational responder's videos and maybe you will gain some rational understanding. Then when you re-think things and become agnostic like the boy in this video you can discern which god is most logical and coherent. Hint: The cross

[horseburger]

@IIAQUAII

1. Who says the universe is "Good". It is just matter. It is neither good nor bad.

2. Believing a man lived to 900 years when ALL evidence disproves this could ever happen is not more logical then anything. It is either logical or not. There is no more or less.

3. Oh the old universe needs a cause argument. Well first of all you have to prove that there is a cause. Then you have to explain how you could possibly know what this cause is.

I dont believe there is no god. Strawman.

[horseburger]

@IIAQUAII

Also, please reread my original post as to what agnostic means. You seem to have completely ignored what i said or you dont understand.

I am an agnostic atheist. I do not beleive in any particular god because there is no evidence. I also dont claim to know wether or not there is a god or not. There may well be one, but without evidence, I have no reason to believe that there is one.

Believing there is no god is illogical just as believing in a god is illogical.

I believe neither.

[IIAQUAII]

@horseburger lol do you read what you type into your computer? You are a mess man...anyway--the bible and the earth is proof enough. The bible consists of 66 books written by a multitude of authors all in different geographical locations. All of the authors were God inspired so the fact that they all harmonized with eachother to send 1 message is no suprise. The bible also has many prophecies that were fulfilled and many more that puts the word on the line. No other book does so. Watch his video

[horseburger]

@IIAQUAII

The bible and the earth is proof of jesus just like the earth and the bhagavad ghita is proof of vishnu. You dont have any logic or reasoning abilities that much is clear.

You think the bible is "harmonized"? What a joke. The geneologies of jesus are different on different accounts from different authors. They couldnt even get his ancestors right.

Bible prophecies are bull. Anyone can predict what the bible says. They are so vague. When was jesus second coming by the way?

[IIAQUAII]

@horseburger I was simply stating that the earth is proof of a Creator. I am glad that you got the point though--Now that you have that out of the way you can use your intellect to decipher which God you will put your trust and faith in. Go create something out of nothing--BE REAL--all matter had to be created at some point--that is a fact, but WHO you think did it is up to you. But the answer to that question is not a WHAT--b/c the universe did not bring itself into existence-it all has purpose

[IIAQUAII]

@horseburger I am not going to go back and forth with you b/c I doubt I can get you to see anything over youtube: you should PM rationalresponder and go to his next open air so he can talk to you one on one. If not..then continue to search for God--if you truly are looking and He WILL reveal Himself to you.

[horseburger]

@IIAQUAII

Why would talk to rational responder? He is clearly illogical. That is why I commented on his vid. Did you not read my first post?

I did not agree that the universe had a creator. Where did you get that from?

Just to HUMOUR you, lets say that I agree that something cannot come from nothing so the universe ust have been created.

Where did your god come from? Nothing? Who created him?

Your argument is weaker then an 8 year old girl.

"Be real"

Take your own advice.

[IIAQUAII]

@horseburger I am being real: It has been proven through science that the universe had a beginning--hence it needed a cause. Did I say that GOD was finite? NO, but the universe is. The universe needs a creator and that is obvious, but GOD doesn't. There is no one like Him: you may have trouble with believing that--but there are many supernatural qualities in God.

[horseburger]

@IIAQUAII

NO it has not been proven that the universe had a beginning. That is a typical creationist lie. The big bang theory CLAIMS that the universe expanded from a singularity. NOONE says anything about the origin of the singularity or wether the matter that makes it is infinate or not.

Everything needs a creator but god doesnt? Special pleading is a fallacy. You are being fallacious.

I cant believe as I choose. I can only believe what I know to be TRUE.

[IIAQUAII]

@horseburger It's your choice at the end of the day to believe as you choose--so do so. It seems that you have trouble making a stand. You said that you're agnostic atheist? To me: you are either agnostic-Not knowing if there is a god or not or an atheist-Believing there is NO god without having all the knowledge in the world. Take a stand! How can you say "THERE IS NO GOD...UNTIL I AM PROVEN SO"? Either you KNOW or you DO NOT. Decisions..decisions..

[horseburger]

@IIAQUAII

Atheism is the LACK of belief in a god just like you LACK the belief in Vishnu. It is NOT the beleif that there is no god.

Agnosticism is the stance that nothing can be known about wether or not a god exists.

I dont believe in any particular god so that makes me an atheist. I also think that there MAY be a god but I dont claim to KNOW wether or not there is one, That makes me agnostic.

Atheism and Theism are claims of BELEIF

Gnosticism and Agnosticism are claims to KNOWLEDGE

[yankinCanada]

No one is saying or can say that there was nothing before the big bang. All anyone can say is that there was an expansion. Why insist on the natural laws of the space / time dimension for a realm prior to the BB? Necessitating, in your mind, an agent caused expansion? Consider that nothingness is an impossible condition. Consider that energy may cycle in and out of matter. Consider that energy appears to be eternal. You have a personality as eternal and uncaused.

That wants witches dead. Hmmm.

[badblueman]

A philosophical law where there cannot be an infinite regression of cause or effect?

This is stupid. Where did he pull out this stuff... where is the proof that there cannot be infinite regression? I'll tell you where - nowhere, there is no such law.

Why do you have to arrive to the "Unmoved mover"? He keeps talking, but presents no proof. What made the "mover" move things, did the decision to move something come out of nothing? Ouch irony. Hypocrite.

[D34dH053]

If all you have for god's existence is arguments, then I hope you realize that you only are demonstrating that god exists as a concept of your mind...

[xephyr1000]

Edited for promotion of bullshit.

[epanek]

"Things dont just pop in and out of existence"

Actually, per QM thats exactly what happens. Things pop in and out of existence all the time in the quantum soup we live in. Try again.

[melioped]

thank you for telling a world the truth... i have met in Washington DC at the Ron Paul rally atheist and I talk to him who I was ...I did not know that he was atheist at the time but 6 months after that meeting he sends me email on youtube account that he is Christian now (born again). you never know who is going to become christian from that small group of the people but I pray that their souls will be saved and Jesus to become to be their Lord and Savior.Sincerely melioped Rom.1:16

[jpttech]

lol "how rational and logical"...what a joke

[Ariodude]

Lol After 5 mins he bumped him from Atheist to Agnostic

[elGuapo45]

@Ariodude , that was funny, i think 5 more mins he would probably deny saying he was agnostic, but a theist play'n devils advocate.

[Tobytrim]

@Ariodude "Lol After 5 mins he bumped him from Atheist to Agnostic"

Most atheists ARE agnostic. Agnosticism is the intellectual honesty which informs atheism . Agnostics, by definition, are atheists.

Those who claim certain knowledge of what is unknowable, and negated in in every testable examination, are the irrational ones.

[AllenQuatermain2de]

the cosmological argument has been debunked so many times, i'm not even goign to bother anymroe but i will say this: saying that an athiest "backslides" to agrnostic is liek saying a communist "backslides" into a history teacher, they are unrelated, everybody is agnostic, whete you are an agnostic thiest or an agnostic athiest is the question here.

[JimbobdwayneSanchez]

It's hilarious how he uses the science of Big Bang cosmology to support his cosmological argument. Then directly transitions into the God of the Bible being the prime cause. When the Bible's creation timeline is directly contradicted by the science behind the Big Bang theory . FAIL.

[Purushadasa]

I love it when the Christian says, "You're not listening?"

"No, not at all."

"Why not?"

"Because I'm an atheist!"

The atheist never really listens, never really looks, and yet he has the gall to say that he hasn't seen the evidence.

The rest of the world does see, hear, and understand the ample evidence for God's factual appearance and activities, and the only difference is that they listen while the atheist refuses to listen.

[itsnolongeri]

Nice post rational, it would be a shock for alot of your audience to see how truly rational and logical the arguments for a creator are. Nicely done, as always lookin forward to your next vid:)

[ReatuKrentor]

I would like to know the source of the quote by Stephen Hawking, because I can't find anything like it.

[ramio1983]

He did a good job in defending faith.

[Theophage]

Because clearly the best place for rational, reasoned argument is shouting in the park...

(now where is that rolling eyes smiley?)

It is good that you got him to think about something new, but don't read too much into his lack of response.

[leethal59]

so true.

[hexusziggurat]

Would you make the same judgement of a man on a hillside in the midst of an enemy?

[Theophage]

That depends on how willing I was to engage in hyperbole ;^)

[hexusziggurat]

you see it one way ...i clearly see it another.

Its easy enough to walk away from the man.....or cast armchair observations.

[RepairBucket]

My response to the question "who created the creator" Would have been.

"Why do you assume that if there was a creator that he would be bound by time as we are?"

The point here is, when you think something has a beginning or an end it is by default bound by time.

God always was and always will be. He created time for us. We are bound by it.

So, The Father created time for his children.  He wants to spend time with you and I. May we honor his gift of time and spend it with him.

[mgmello16]

Why is it cut off as soon as someone tries to respond? You included all of his thoughts, but then did not allow the other side to be heard. He had some issues in his logic, but he is so confident in himself the ordinary people would not catch them.

This guy is good at preaching, but why not allow the other side to be heard also? At least you allow ratings and comments, most pro religious videos like to censor those also.

It is like 8 minutes of him talking and 50 seconds of other views.

[rationalresponder]

He ended up changing the topic...I will be glad to post it up though...it only got uglier for him...He jumped into morality...he affirmed Moral Relativism and I ended up painting him into a corner of contradiction as he affirmed rape was absolutely wrong but yet relatively wrong...

I will title it something along the lines of Moral Relativism

[dxrocker69]

@rationalresponder wauw, you are able to out-talk inexperienced teenagers at the local park who barely know anything about anything. You should write a book.

[TheTruthGardian]

@rationalresponder Just to say, do you believe in evolution and the big bang?

[hardhead621]

@mgmello16 thats what happens when you ask a closed minded person what their beleifs are they just never shut up or let you get the mic back its really quite annoying people like him should be interviewed on animal planet by some australian guy

Australian guy: "see as the idiot never shuts up im going to try and put a choke hold on him to shut him up" xD

[ochoan8or]

@mgmello16 does it realy matter..he makes the "atheist" slide to agnostic?

[twalk4ever]

great response and very well presented.

God bless.

[impact360]

awesome video and very well thought out responses, God bless you and may the truth that these guys heard penetrate their lives and draw them to the One True and Living God!

[timestandingstill]

People will try to confuse you.

I simply say K I S S "Keep it simple stupid." Christ quoted that unless we humble ourselves as a Child. We shall not inherient the Kingdom of Heaven. So simple a child can understand it.

Some will go to extremes to throw you off, Don't play their game. TO them it is just a game.

[timestandingstill]

Great Job Bro!

Don't let anyone tear down the work that has begun in you until the comming of our Lord and Savior returns.

Blessings in His Name!

[1tmoch]

No, Gordon Clark, not W.L. Craig. Clark wrote many good books. The ones i've read are "God's Hammer," "Philosophy of science and belief in God," "Logic," and my favorite "reason, religion, and revelation."

The only thing i disagree with Clark on are infant baptism. He was a presbyterian you see.

Craig is interesting and worth siphoning from, but beware. he is a heretic who espouses Molinism, and big bang old earth cosmology.

[deRoyLight]

Also, this video title is a bit misleading in that atheism and agnosticism answer two different questions. Most atheists today are agnostic atheists, which is to say they believe one does not ultimately know if there is a God, but don't find enough reason to believe there is one.

[rationalresponder]

de:

I told you upfront I wasn't looking for a debate...I just wanted to give you the courteousy of knowing that you are being heard and I would like to open the floor to your last word...not shut you out...obviously I am paying attention to what you say...enough with ad-hominems its pointless. And try to be real with me...and realize I can't engage into endless dialogues in people posting on my channel. Come on out to an Open-Air sometime and we can do it there...

[deRoyLight]

I don't believe I ever introduced an ad hominem. Ad hominem is the substitution of an argument with a personal attack. I don't think I ever personally attacked you, much less substituted any argument for such thing.

I'm not interested in a debate either. I was simply commenting one of your comments, and responding to your challenges.

Anyway, you're welcome to PM me if you have any more concerns. I don't want to clutter up your comments.

[1tmoch]

I love Clark. He makes my brain work. I went to a church where his daughter is a member (wife of the pastor). For the guy in the video: You don't believe in evolution do you, or "the big bang?"

[rationalresponder]

Clark? Do you mean Craig???

I certainly do not believe we evolved brother.

And big bangs need BANGERS the way I see it....I would say God is the Cause of the origin of the universe and leave it at that.

I just use Big Bang Cosmology to prove the point that it inevitably points to a Personal Causal Agent...GOD:)

[deRoyLight]

That's pretty weird that you would use the big bang as a method in which your God chose to create, and yet not evolution, when evolution is one of the most well-supported, well-founded theories in science. We know way more about the diversity of life by way of evolution than we do the origin of the cosmos through the big bang. That just sounds like you're compartmentalizing to me.

[rationalresponder]

deRoy:

weird to you...that's your opinion.

In terms of facts...just throwing out a "most well-supported, well-founded" doesn't go very far with me...maybe for others though...

Can you show me ONE example of evolution taking a forward step in terms of added beneficial information in the genome? You cant...

Cambrian explosion calls for totally abandonment let alone Dr. Behe's peer evalluated Irreducible Complexity

[rationalresponder]

deRoy:

You use the term evolution loosely and I think that is where the problem is...In regards to micro-evolution I am there with ya...but in terms of us macro-evolution and us evolving out of a primordial goop...I don't have THAT kind of faith...

I am not expecting a refutation...I don't care for one...I just wanted to bring up a few of the kinks in your chain...the last word is yours if you wish...

[deRoyLight]

I'm sorry to hear that. I really have to say I don't enjoy it when people ask questions that they don't want the answers to. I find it transparently dishonest and a bit crude.

[deRoyLight]

Nylon-eating bacteria.

And Behe has never produced a peer-reviewed paper on irreducible complexity in the modern scientific literature. Also, you make a very common misconception in assuming Behe doesn't accept evolution. Not only does Dr.Behe accept evolution, he accepts common ancestry, he simply believes there was an intelligent mechanism involved at some point.

You sound like a nice guy but I really need to recommend you find more accurate sources than propaganda mills (honestly).

[rationalresponder]

I will look in2 the bacteria

I stand corrected on Behe...I miss-read a statement of his from years back. Thanx 4 sharpening me up on that.

I read his most recent book and his big take away point is genetic mutation/natural selection is not a forward push at all but rather steps that are ultimately non-beneficial.

I saw you most viewed vid...the "its all micro over time" not macro.

What about the Cambrian Explosion though??? Sudden explosion of species. Stephen Jay Gould saw this issue 2

[deRoyLight]

Stephen Jay Gould also accepted evolution, including common descent.

The Cambrian Explosion is a marvel but it's no refutation of evolution. What you find in the cambrian are many basic builds for life, sort of the early stages of divergence. Notice you don't find bunnies in the Cambrian. There are no modern species found in the cambrian that you can point to. There are some that look similar, but that is to be expected considering how evolution works.

[theoje143]

Did you ever think that maybe Christianity isnt 2000 years old? If you do your homework you will find that there are about 10 other sacrificial god stories from other religions that all predate Christianity. The stories are almost indistinguishable. Dionysus, Oedipus, Theseus and Osiris to name only a few. Ironically Christianity evolved from the primitive philosophy, paganism and mysticism which all predated it. Christian holidays date back to 2000BC. The holy day is SUNday I mean cmon.

[xtrashed]

That's false!

[earthchild888]

great video,and excellent points,you're a very talented speaker

[MrDeppness]

One more point... great job making it a debate about the philosophic argument of God's existence. Too many christians make it about the bible and lose the atheists instantly. You handled that part well.

[MrDeppness]

Terrific, but I think you swept through "infinite regress" too quickly. You should have asked him if God had a creator, who creator God's creator and how many times do we need to ask this question before we arrive with a being that never was created? Making them answer their own questions sometimes is the best way to teach them.

But you totally nailed the concept of faith in an atheist. It takes more faith to not believe what they see than it does to admit what is, accept and embrace it.

[xtrashed]

Wow! Great debate! You are a great speaker!

[indychristian]

Really well done, Chad.

[HisTrueImage]

Great job!!

[AaronKnudson1974]

Awesome Job!

[sincitypreacher]

Brother, you are doing an excellent job defending God and the Bible. I like your content and also your demeanor is excellent.

[aflame4God]

@sincitypreacher i agree with you brother! This crowd seems to really be listening to this brother! Reasoning from scriptures with a right spirit.A great example a dealing with a crowd! Bro.David.

[poonm4ster]

It really is sad how obvious God exists and people closed their mind, like you said Our existance comes from a solid cause.

For Atheists it is Oblivion and

For Christians and common sense it is God

Those are the only two possible choices it truly takes 10x more faith to believe in something illogical such as Oblivion being the cause.

[billredeemed]

Great job brother God is using you!

[MrKevMan]

@billredeemed

Great job? If its gods will, no matter what, god is using you. God used hitler. God used my dick to fuck your mom. How is this divine?

[billredeemed]

@MrKevMan I am sorry for you, and I know you misunderstand a great many things, and I imagine this is a waste of time. However, I will tell you that I am pulling for you and that I am hoping you choose life and turn from the path you are on. Many things are happening that are not God's will, that is the danger in creation beings with an independant will like you and I. He takes every result of every action of every free will and works the best possible good, but things would be better if we were

[jesusLostChildren777]

awesome debate nicely done!

[geedup415]

Wow, I'm amazed at how Chad has been blessed by the Holy Spirit and guided by Him to speak His words. Amen!!!

[WiggaTriggaTV]

Finally, a religious dude that makes sense. Thank God. lol

[Epydemic2020]

I like that quote from David Hume. Where do you come across all of these quotes?

[rationalresponder]

I have come across it in a few different times in books and articles...I think William Lane Craig was the first I heard it from in one of his articles....

[WorldWar4]

I don't want to take anything away from your debating abilities, or give the impression that I'm not impressed. However, that being said, its obvious you get your quotes second hand. I recommend actually getting Hawkings "A Brief History of Time" and reading past the quote you gave. Actually, I recommend reading the entire book. You might rethink using him in your preaching. You might also want to actually read Hume before quoting him. Quoting people quoting people is a bad tactic.

[rationalresponder]

I got the book...its in context and I didn't make any religious claims directly off the quote...I simply pointed out where Hawking's quote leaves us in regards to T=0 (Time=Zero...for anyone else that reads this and wonders).

I am extremely familiar with Hume and have read much of his work on Logic and Miracles...the particular quote I used by him was one on Causation and I checked it out...I know where he stands on the issue and properly represented his statement.

[rationalresponder]

WorldWar:

In regards to your comment where you said the followiing: "you might rethink using him in your preaching."

You seem to infer here that because Hawking is not a Christian I can't use any information by him...This is commits one of the most elementary logical fallacies known as the "Genetic Fallacy."

That would be like saying "you should reconsider 1+1=2 because your first grade teacher was a self-described agnostic." Do you understand?

[aa3gunner]

EVERY CHRISTIAN should be as well equipped as this WARRIOR. The truth cannot be defeated. Jesus IS the Tru7h.

[Uranius7]

Poor kid got destroyed

[cwade12c]

I feel really bad for these kids.. who think the Bible is the same as the Quran, and didn't listen to a word you said because "they're an Atheist"... :(

God bless.

[Joe881]

Great Job guys!

[Sweet92Sue]

Chad, I love your videos! Keep on keepin' on and stay strong in the Lord. You do wonderful work for His glory. :)

[aa3gunner]

@Sweet92Sue Heyyyy....i was gonna say that. -_- hehe

[WorldWar4]

That guy didn't backslide. He lied.

The cosmological argument gets weaker and weaker every time I hear it.

I'd like to see the rest of that video. I can't imagine he did much better but I would like to see your response to his arguments.

[BassP86]

"The cosmological argument gets weaker and weaker every time I hear it." - This a SUBJECTIVE statement, yet you're using that to prove an OBJECTIVE statement that "He lied". In other words, you're using an opinion, which by definition has no propositional content in itself, in order to prove a proposition. So no offense, but what you're saying is systemically contradictory and therefore becomes self-defeating.

To prove a proposition, you must give reasons that are not subjective or opinionated.

[WorldWar4]

I'm sorry I wasn't clear in who my statements were directed at.

The statement: "He lied" is referring to the atheist/agnostic changing the label he gives himself.

The statement: "The cosmological argument gets weaker and weaker every time I hear it." is referring to Chad and every other Christian that uses it. I concede that it is a subjective statement. That should be obvious by the statement itself.

[BassP86]

Oh ok! Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were an atheist. My apologies.

[WorldWar4]

I am an atheist. That doesn't mean I can't recognize a lie when I see one.

[BassP86]

Ok, again my apologies!