savage model, sorry to see that.. true about a full dead stick landing is better, but if a plane is flying any bit near to a crowed like that in distress your ment to ditch it.
Hi, Rc aircraft will slow down very quickly because of their mass drag and light weight, and a Rc aircraft will stall /spin quicker that a full size aircraft. Aircraft are designed to fly in a very narrow envelope: when you move out of the envelope, luck is better than skill every time. Speed, altitude, and hot sex is the demise of many a hot shot; however , I try to get a little every day.
In situations like this the one thing to remember is not to fight the airplanes desire to fly. I have had and engine die on me just after take on with about 20 ft of altitude. I did not fight the airplanes natural tendencies and just ditched it out in the field and came back with just some covering damage. We all learn the hard way at times...unfortunately. He tried to hard to make it back to the runway and ended up loosing the entire aircraft. Hind sight is 2020 chop the throttle and ditch it.
While I've got total respect for RC pilots, they (remarkably) make the same (and sadly) fatal mistake (after power failure) that's common among full-scale twin drivers.
To survive, you must either go dead stick (BEST -- especially when slow, or on take-off), or do whatever it takes to MAINTAIN Vmc (minimum controllable airspeed) for that airframe. In RC, it means speed up, DO NOT SLOW DOWN UNTIL ON DECK. Otherwise, nothing you do will counteract asym "tail chasing" effect of the good engine!
@fractalbeliever The truth is all this Vmin Vmc whatever makes no sense to RC flyers. They play excessively with elevator all the time and fly 50-100% of the power available in random order. When you see a log of flying model the airspeed varies between 1.1Vmin and 1.6Vmin on what the modeller says it was 'clean scale flying'. Then one loses one engine and you see same guy oscillating happily between 0.9 and 1.4Vmin. Basically modellers are crash testers without airspeed indicator.
The pilot was a nice kid that was in way over his head with this plane. Not that most rc flyers don't at some point get in way over their head. He worked really hard on the plane and finished it. He was too eager to fly it, but wasn't ready. It's really too bad. He hasn't been around much since. I hope he didn't give up trying and I hope he comes back. I fly rc too. I agree with you about Vmin Vmc and the elevator thing. I realized awhile back I'm guilty. I'm working on it though.
He lost the left engine? He had the runway... why not throttle down the right engine and FLY THE PLANE not the emergency! This is what kills real pilots, they forget to fly the plane.
If this was a single engine plane I'm sure he would have made a normal deadstck landing. It might not have been pretty, but the plane would be alive to fly again!
Basically that's what happened. I flew a plane once, before I was ready to pilot that particular kind of plane, and it ended up in same condition. The young guy has taken a lot of heat for this crash and I hope it doesn't turn him away from building and continuing to develop his skills. There aren't enough builders around any more. Anyway, just to keep a healthy perspective, I don't know anyone in the hobby that has never crashed an rc plane.
@n7hww do you know anything about VMC? if not look it up, anything that applies to a real plane applies to an rc, because air is air! he needed to keep throttle up, if not he would have undersped VMC, when that happens, induced drag on the left in up engine would become so great that the plane would enter an unrecoverable spin, he needed to keep throttle to make sure that did not occur, sure he was not thinking that but he did the right thing not pulling out power, he just lost control
@codzomz Outside of crashing… he did everything right?
Yes, I do know a bit about VMC. As a Full size aircraft pilot and RC pilot I stand by my statement that he concentrated on the emergency and didn’t fly the airplane.
RC pilots are at a disadvantage. You cannot feel “Dead foot, dead engine.” If the description of the incident is correct the aircraft was fine except for the dead engine. He took your advice and went to full throttle, lost control, and crashed into the runway.
@codzomz I think he would have had much better luck if he had made a dead stick landing… HE WAS OVER A RUNWAY with enough altitude to set up a dead stick landing without problem.
There was no reason to crash if the RC link and controls were functioning. Rule #1 FLY THE PLANE. Just like the big boys, practice engine out procedures. Learn how your plane flies on one engine. Hopefully, you have a radio that lets you have independent control over each engine so you can practice.
@n7hww don't insult my understand of multi-engine emergency situations, I did not say full throttle, I said keep the throttle up, if you really were understanding at all about VMC and actually flew a plane with one in op engine then you would know you should not have full throttle unless you absolutely need it, keeping throttle up and applying full throttle are two totally different things...
In this instance the pilot didn’t have the skills to recover from the loss of an engine. Suck up the pride and make a perfect dead stick landing and live to fly another day!
@n7hww Since rc planes are flown relatively low, i think that the reaction of cutting the power isnt the first thing you think of because you dont wanna lose altitude. but getting the power off to fix the control problem, then dead stick land her would have probably saved the plane.
good to know if i ever build a twin down the road. just like flying the real thing, you should always be ready for a dead engine. ESPECIALLY ON TAKE OFF! Thats a killer.
Shame. Not much altitude to have time to think about it. It looked like it was either underpowered or slightly tail heavy?
72Z15SS 1 month ago
savage model, sorry to see that.. true about a full dead stick landing is better, but if a plane is flying any bit near to a crowed like that in distress your ment to ditch it.
demanfromdelmonte 2 months ago
That sucks!!! Nice model too. Good luck in the future though.
eclipser2004 3 months ago
Hi, Rc aircraft will slow down very quickly because of their mass drag and light weight, and a Rc aircraft will stall /spin quicker that a full size aircraft. Aircraft are designed to fly in a very narrow envelope: when you move out of the envelope, luck is better than skill every time. Speed, altitude, and hot sex is the demise of many a hot shot; however , I try to get a little every day.
007wingman 3 months ago
@ codcomz "...don't insult my understand of multi-engine emergency situations..."
Your the one with the attitude! I'm sorry if you feel insulted by my opinion.
Your still missing the point. This pilot didn't have the skills to fly on one engine. I'm not knocking him. We all need time to learn and grow.
n7hww 4 months ago
In situations like this the one thing to remember is not to fight the airplanes desire to fly. I have had and engine die on me just after take on with about 20 ft of altitude. I did not fight the airplanes natural tendencies and just ditched it out in the field and came back with just some covering damage. We all learn the hard way at times...unfortunately. He tried to hard to make it back to the runway and ended up loosing the entire aircraft. Hind sight is 2020 chop the throttle and ditch it.
TOPHAT1966GS 6 months ago
schade um das tolle flugzeug:-(
Supernover1000 6 months ago
0:35 you got it ready to land right here. Learn some aerodynamics and don't touch the fkin elevator when low on power.
krbosak 6 months ago
Shoulda shut it down & dead stick it . You only really need power with a jet.
GeneticallySuperior1 11 months ago
go to .35 its sad to watch it really came down hard in the asfalt
nolifemerc 1 year ago
Skomentuj ten film...
krbosak 6 months ago
While I've got total respect for RC pilots, they (remarkably) make the same (and sadly) fatal mistake (after power failure) that's common among full-scale twin drivers.
To survive, you must either go dead stick (BEST -- especially when slow, or on take-off), or do whatever it takes to MAINTAIN Vmc (minimum controllable airspeed) for that airframe. In RC, it means speed up, DO NOT SLOW DOWN UNTIL ON DECK. Otherwise, nothing you do will counteract asym "tail chasing" effect of the good engine!
fractalbeliever 1 year ago
@fractalbeliever The truth is all this Vmin Vmc whatever makes no sense to RC flyers. They play excessively with elevator all the time and fly 50-100% of the power available in random order. When you see a log of flying model the airspeed varies between 1.1Vmin and 1.6Vmin on what the modeller says it was 'clean scale flying'. Then one loses one engine and you see same guy oscillating happily between 0.9 and 1.4Vmin. Basically modellers are crash testers without airspeed indicator.
krbosak 6 months ago
The pilot was a nice kid that was in way over his head with this plane. Not that most rc flyers don't at some point get in way over their head. He worked really hard on the plane and finished it. He was too eager to fly it, but wasn't ready. It's really too bad. He hasn't been around much since. I hope he didn't give up trying and I hope he comes back. I fly rc too. I agree with you about Vmin Vmc and the elevator thing. I realized awhile back I'm guilty. I'm working on it though.
rhus3000 6 months ago
What a pity.
qwasd0r 1 year ago
No one ever gets to the top with out mistakes. This is what you have a deal with.
corbystarlet 2 years ago
He lost the left engine? He had the runway... why not throttle down the right engine and FLY THE PLANE not the emergency! This is what kills real pilots, they forget to fly the plane.
If this was a single engine plane I'm sure he would have made a normal deadstck landing. It might not have been pretty, but the plane would be alive to fly again!
n7hww 2 years ago 4
Basically that's what happened. I flew a plane once, before I was ready to pilot that particular kind of plane, and it ended up in same condition. The young guy has taken a lot of heat for this crash and I hope it doesn't turn him away from building and continuing to develop his skills. There aren't enough builders around any more. Anyway, just to keep a healthy perspective, I don't know anyone in the hobby that has never crashed an rc plane.
rhus3000 2 years ago
@rhus3000 Agreed, if you can't afford to crash them you can't afford to buy them :)
ricksteffey123 1 year ago
@rhus3000
I've never crashed a plane. However, mother earth has reached up and grabbed a few out of the sky for me ;)
trex600heliguy 3 weeks ago
@n7hww do you know anything about VMC? if not look it up, anything that applies to a real plane applies to an rc, because air is air! he needed to keep throttle up, if not he would have undersped VMC, when that happens, induced drag on the left in up engine would become so great that the plane would enter an unrecoverable spin, he needed to keep throttle to make sure that did not occur, sure he was not thinking that but he did the right thing not pulling out power, he just lost control
codzomz 4 months ago
@codzomz Outside of crashing… he did everything right?
Yes, I do know a bit about VMC. As a Full size aircraft pilot and RC pilot I stand by my statement that he concentrated on the emergency and didn’t fly the airplane.
RC pilots are at a disadvantage. You cannot feel “Dead foot, dead engine.” If the description of the incident is correct the aircraft was fine except for the dead engine. He took your advice and went to full throttle, lost control, and crashed into the runway.
n7hww 4 months ago
@codzomz I think he would have had much better luck if he had made a dead stick landing… HE WAS OVER A RUNWAY with enough altitude to set up a dead stick landing without problem.
There was no reason to crash if the RC link and controls were functioning. Rule #1 FLY THE PLANE. Just like the big boys, practice engine out procedures. Learn how your plane flies on one engine. Hopefully, you have a radio that lets you have independent control over each engine so you can practice.
n7hww 4 months ago
@n7hww don't insult my understand of multi-engine emergency situations, I did not say full throttle, I said keep the throttle up, if you really were understanding at all about VMC and actually flew a plane with one in op engine then you would know you should not have full throttle unless you absolutely need it, keeping throttle up and applying full throttle are two totally different things...
codzomz 4 months ago
@codzomz
In this instance the pilot didn’t have the skills to recover from the loss of an engine. Suck up the pride and make a perfect dead stick landing and live to fly another day!
n7hww 4 months ago
@n7hww Since rc planes are flown relatively low, i think that the reaction of cutting the power isnt the first thing you think of because you dont wanna lose altitude. but getting the power off to fix the control problem, then dead stick land her would have probably saved the plane.
good to know if i ever build a twin down the road. just like flying the real thing, you should always be ready for a dead engine. ESPECIALLY ON TAKE OFF! Thats a killer.
joeshmoe12301230 1 month ago