the truth about hacienda luisita - part 3 of 3

[luckyvent]

bwiset na komunista, walang ginawa kundi mang udyok ng walang kamuwang muwang na manggagawa. lalo lang naman silang naghihirap at sina ocampo, maza, gabriela, bayan muna yumayaman at namumuhay ng matiwasay. filipino 'wag kang tanga at magpadala sa komunista dahil sa komunista ang mga lider lang ang masarap ang buhay.

[libertarianPinoy]

Search: Ang sinabi ng mga magsasaka sa Hacienda Luisita

Youtube won't let me post the link. In the video the farmers claimed they were tricked by Bayan Muna into protesting. They initially only wanted higher wages and didn't intend to demand land. You will also farmers saying Satur Ocampo pocketed x million pesos while giving each farmer a mere P500.

[maiakei]

If you can't take an intelligent debate, dont result to personal attacks. :p I have answered this point earlier. The people whom you call "communists" werent the ones who had the guns and killed those farm workers. the police and the army clearly killed those farmers. youre answering non-sequiturs. that is not acceptable in debate. if people cant be convinced, dont call them childish or close-minded. because if it is really the truth, then it is not debatable anymore. :))

[jakerien]

@maiakei As I've said, the basic essence of this segment is for those who are seeking the truth and ready to accept the facts than mere lies. If you can't accept this, then you had better not watch this in the first place and continue with your blind and misguided belief.

[linusoft]

@maiakei, were u there when the shooting happened? how are u so sure that the shooting "ONLY" came from the troops? would u also agree that there's a very high probability that the leftist (cleverly embedded in the crowd) also fire their hidden guns?

[threelilgems]

sa totoo lang, walang dapat managot sa nangyari kundi yung mga tao katulad ni satur ocampo na gumamit sa mga magsasaka upang mag-aklas. the farmers were contented, they had no reason whatsoever to go against the cojuangcos. unfortunately there are people who'd claim themselves the 'savior' when all along sarili lang nilang interest ang nasa isip.

[maiakei]

@ThePaulo73 i'm sorry but that doesnt answer my point. we can go on all day discussing the different sides of the story. the thing is, PEOPLE WERE KILLED. My statement of opposition is towards the FIRING ON AND KILLING of unarmed farmers. SO DO WE ANSWER OPPOSITION WITH BULLETS? as long as no one answers that, dont expect to convince me or anyone who knows enough about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. also, be thankful there are people are critical, else we all become robots. thanks.

[jakerien]

@maiakei The issue here is why are those people killed in the first place? Weren't you even comprehending the statements of the farmers from hacienda luisita? Even they are admitting that if only those communists rallyist didn't iinterfere with the negotiation between the employees and management, none of this would have happened. Better check your arguments coz it's very childish ok.

[pwrshopgirl]

@MAKATI2LA Please type Ang sinabi ng mga magsasaka sa Hacienda Luisita. You will hear it straight from the horse's mouth. Unfair to say that Noynoy was the henchman. Familiarize yourself with what happened first. Unless you are one of Satur Ocampo's people.

[maiakei]

@pwrshopgirl please let me clarify myself. i didnt say noynoy was the henchman. but he should ensure that someone answers for the killing. and saying that satur and the partylist people were to blame is not only idiotic but also ignorant of the law and human rights. its quite obvious that the troops fired on the unarmed farmers. ARE THEY JUSTIFIED TO DO SO? IF SO, THEN LETS GO AHEAD, UPHOLD KILLING EVERYONE WHO OPPOSES. sigh. no wonder political killings abound here. people think they're okay.

[jakerien]

Yes it is a violation of human rights. But you must also think that why does it led to this incident. If only these partylist representatives did not enraged the workers and brought hundreds of supporters to rally in the first place then the management and the workers would have had a peaceful negotiation. Noynoy is the only 1 being blamed since he's running for President but in reality he has only indirect ownership of Hacienda Luisita with shares of 1-2.2%.

[maiakei]

thank you for ur opposing views.:) here is my reply:

the partylist reps did not enrage because the farmers were already angry.

you say we should examine what led to this incident. so why then were the farmers angry? people dont engage in strikes for fun. it is quite shortsighted to say that the massacre was caused by bayan muna's support for the farmers. as mandated by law, the farmers have the right to strike for better wages. but does shouting out justify the bullets? i dont think so.

[jakerien]

@maiakei As far as I know, you're just a close-minded person who are not ready to accept and face the truth. If you can't accept the essence of this segment then better not watch it in the first place coz this video is intended to open the minds of people who are seeking the truth.

[maiakei]

I see the debate has degenerated into name-calling. Before I leave , let me make my parting shot.

Gloria's minions criminalized the farmers' union by saying it was affiliated with the NPA. They also dragged the name of Bayan Muna they 'enraged' the farmers to picket and rally. Well, let me tell you, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights says it is legal to rally and form unions, but it is ILLEGAL TO KILL anyone who opposes or protests. Read up on political theory and int'l laws please.

[libertarianPinoy]

@maiakei Illegal to kill anyone who protest? What if in the process of protesting they deprive you of the opportunity to make a living? To run a business that you risked your savings to build? Savings that, if the business failed, you might never see again and enjoy?

Fine, you've a right to protest. But that right ends when my right to pursue my livelihood begins. Go ahead, say, but what about these farmers' right to a livelihood.

PS how old are you?

[libertarianPinoy]

@maiakei If a group of people are unwilling to honor and respect my rights, why should I be burdened with respecting their's?

[maiakei]

@jakerien: please let me clarify something. i agree it is not directly noynoy's fault. but he should not just cite his small shares as a reply. he should also ACT against his erring family and address the human rights violation directly. and thereafter address the deeper reason for peasant discontent: the concentration of land and wealth in the elite class.

thank you. its always healthy to engage in debate. cheers!

[maiakei]

No matter how it is presented, the bottomline is, the Hacienda Luisita massacre was a violation of human rights, as mandated by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It may be true that Noynoy didn't order the guns to fire here, but to clear his name, he must acknowledge the family's culpability and do something more tangible to address this human rights violation. Otherwise, he can't expect his reputation to be untarnished by this event.

[pwrshopgirl]

@maiakei The family is culpable as far as it happened in their land. But the farmers there were infiltrated by Satur's people. What do you do about that? What CAN you do? Now, Ocampo is running for the SENATE. The blood of those people who died there, his people, is in no one else's hands but his.

[maiakei]

@pwrshopgirl hello. okay, one man's hero is another man's terrorist. you call it "infiltration" but i call it merely "support". but let's say, okay, indeed, the partylist reps did make the farmers blood rise and shout for their right to better wages. DOES THAT JUSTIFY MOWING THEM DOWN WITH BULLETS? lastly, it may not be noynoy's fault but if he wants to lead this country, he must bring to justice those who pulled the trigger. no non sequiturs like the red scare. they dont impress intellectuals.

[danilolubay]

Walang karapatan ang mga ambisyosong mangagawa na makakuha ng lupa na hindi naman sa kanila. Kung naipaglaban man ng mga Cojuangco ito, ito ay dahil sa pinaghirapan ito ng mga ninuno. CARP IS CRAP!!! The massacre is done by third party people trying to down the AQUINOS...KASI ALAM NILA NA PAG GINAWA YUN, ANG MGA AQUINO AT COJUANGCO LAG ANG PAGBABALINGAN...GAYA NG PAGPAPAPATAY KAY NINOY NA NAIBALING SA MGA MARCOSES NA GAWA RIN NAMN NG THIRD PARTY...GO NOYNOY!!!!

[aerljoseph]

how about the massacre?? d niu naman nailhad ng mabuti yung nangyari eh... madaming buhay ang namatay dun...

[pwrshopgirl]

@aerljoseph Para maliwanagan ka, paki type ito sa YT: Ang sinabi ng mga magsasaka sa Hacienda Luisita Yan, mga magsasaka na ang nagsalita. Sila na mismo.

[jhn2783]

mabuhay ka noynoy!! sana manalo ka po.