If you are so sure of what you believe, why don't you hold a public debate with James White? I think most Arminians would run from that idea, because we,ve seen what James White does to Arminians in public debates! It is amazing, though, that Christ's Blood was shed for everyone, but it was spilled for most people that would reject Him!
@bobby7771117 I also feel that many Pastors today are not provided with the skills to enable them to successfully exegete God's Word! No, more learning and intelligence is not a bad thing! It is indeed a great thing, if you are taught correctly how to actually practice the science of Biblical Hermeneutics! I highly recommend :"Introduction To Biblical Interpretation" by William W. Klein;Craig L. Blomberg;and Robert L. Hubbard, Jr. It will do you a world of good!!! BobbyK
If Jesus paid for the sins of those in Hell, what are they doing there? Does God demand more than one payment for sins? Didn't Jesus die once for all time?
I don't think you really understand who all those "we's" and "our's" are referring to (try looking at who the epistle is addressed to & written by). And the phrase "for the whole world" is a misleading translation of the Greek "περὶ ὅλου τοῦ κόσμου".
Do you believe that those who are TRULY saved, can lose their salvation? How does 10:29 relate to 10:14?
You do understand that the word for sanctify has a semantic domain which includes "set apart"? Are there not many who set themselves apart by being in the church for many years, yet they were never truly born again? Israel was set apart from all the other nations, yet not EVERY individual was of God. There are many implications of the word I don't think you have explored.
1 Tim. 4:10 - If all men have an eternal savior, then why do some still end up in hell?
This refers to God's common grace upon all men saved and condemned alike in the following: Restraining sin (Rom. 2:14-15), and judgment (Rom. 2:3-4); showering them with temporal blessings (Matt: 5:45; Acts 17:25), etc.
2 Peter 2:1 – Their identification as “false prophets” indicates they were posing as genuine believers. Thus, they would have claimed all of the blessings of a true believer, the greatest of which is being purchased by Christ. But their false teachings and destructive heresies denied the very one who they were claiming had “bought them”. All other references to Christ purchasing or redeeming are directly tied true believers. (Luke 1:68; Acts 20:28; 1 Cor. 6:20; 7:23; Gal. 3:13; Rev. 5:9)
Hebrews 10:28-29 (continued) Sanctified - “To be set aside for God's purposes”, a passive verb referring to the subject. If, as you propose, the subject is the one “. . . who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, . . .” then for what purpose was he “sanctified”? If you say that he was sanctified for destruction to display God's justice, then I think a case can be made for that from Romans 9. But if not, then your proposition flies in the face of 2 Thess. 2:13
Hebrews 10:28-29 (continued) The correlation in the O.T. 10:28 “He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses.” Then on to verse 29 “Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he (the Son of God – see John 17:19) was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?”
Hebrews 10:28-29 – Remember . . . CONTEXT! Starting with Heb. 10:26 “For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,” i.e., if we do not “. . . do works meet for repentance.” (Acts 26:20) then Christ's sacrifice is of no benefit to us. Thus, we see the result in 10:27 “But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”.
In the video.. he says lets see who the "our" is from the Christ dying for our sins verse.. then he skips off to the book of Hebrews. All you have to do is stay in 1 Corinthians 1:7 and see that this letter is addressed to the Church of Corinth. So when Paul tells them Christ died for our sins he is speaking to the Church.
The word Saviour in v. 10 should not be taken in its strict meaning. If we did take it that way Paul would be advocating universal salvation. Saviour here means one who protects and delivers which God does for the unbelievers by feeding, clothing them etc. (The rain falls on the wicked also.) Paul uses the word "especially" to convey spiritual salvation. I hope this helps.
@MahanaimCh This is how God is drawing all men, but sadly many will not open their heart to Jesus.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 BEHOLD, I STAND AT THE DOOR, AND KNOCK: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
When a Christian speaking to the brethren says OUR he means OUr, that of the believers, not all people. He died for all people who would beleive, not just Jews but all people of all nations, the whole world. Propitiation means accepted payment. Paid in full. Wrath is propitiated. Study the words. You have been deceived by lack of vocabulary understanding. See 1 Cor 7:14 children of beleivers are said to be sanctified. But not necessarily truly converted. Just in the visible not invisible cov.
Heb 10:29 is a hypothetical "what if" someone sanctified with the blood of the covenant could actually trod under foot the Son of God and count it an unholy thing, despite the Spirit of grace; how much sorer would their punishment be that those that despised Moses law.
And the Lord bought the Whole field to get the treasure out of it.
So the majestic Son of God has to beg sinful man to "accept" him into our depraved hearts? Re-read Acts, Paul hated Jesus and His followers and was murdering them and jailing them, He did not ask Jesus into his heart, The LORD knocked him off his horse and blinded him and spoke from heaven to him. No where in the Gospels do the apostles come to Jesus, He calls them. You better read Romans 8 also. I am not a Calvinist, I just believe in the Sovereign election of God. God owes NO ONE salvation.
Sir, your exegesis is pretty good, and yet you make the unfortunate mistake of taking cogent interpretation and jumping on to applying it to something unrelated. Indeed, Calvin dealt with a sovereign God, whereas your framework seems to deal with a Jesus who died to sanctify people, and yet a God who doesn't actively change people.
You state a fact I think Calvinists believe & will not disagree. Jesus paid for all the sins which were due to the Holy Father, God.
What you appear to be missing is that Calvinists believe only the elect will have Faith, given to them as a gift from God as His elect.(Eph 2:8). So, not all will be saved only those who have Faith alone.
This guy thinks the doctrine of election is the Gospel. The gospel in it's proper sense is the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. See 1 Cor 15 1-4. The Gospel is only about what Christ did for you 2000 years ago. The Gospel may imply other doctrines but in the proper sense it is NOT the doctrine of election, repentance, sanctification, or any other configuration. The Gospel is the doctrine of HOW we are justified to God, not WHO is justified to God.
KJVM - I want to thank you for explaining this. Recently I was presented with the idea that God selected the elect from the foundations of the earth, ONLY loves those elect, and only DIED for those elect. The rest of the human race He hates. This confused me and troubled me which prompted me to search for videos on the subject. Thats how I found yours.
1st false assertion: that Calvinists believe that Christ died for a "very limited NUMBER of people". Calvinists claim no such nonsense, for the Scriptures say, "thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth.."(Gen.28:14) "I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number..."(Rev.7:9). No Calvinist, if his/her theology is correct, would put a 'number' on the elect, much less, make it a 'very limited number' :)
kjvm, i still stand on this (from my first response on ur first vid of the series): to understand the our in 1 cor 15 we should use 1 cor 15.
1.Heb 10--i believe this passage is about apostates (like those described 1 John 2:19 and judas iscariot) who at one time looked as though they were of us (true Christian) but were not. its a warning passage against apostasy. 2.pastor jim mclarty does a GREAT job w/ the 2 peter passage (/watch?v=WVR2y6t6FmQ).
Thank God that He has called me to follow him and not other men.
Thank God I listen to his voice and not the voice of men.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light
I have VERY recently discovered that debating with people is one of the dumbest things I can do. In fact, it may be done more out of pride than love for GOD and His Word. So, friend, I apologize and humbly disengage. Please forgive me if I've offended you in any way. What good is my "knowledge" if I don't even love my brother whom I can see! How can I be loving God whom I don't!? hehe. Peace out brother. All the best. Jay
1 Tim. 4:10 - ...the savior of all men, especially those who believe. Did He SAVE everyone that's every lived? Why does it say the "savior of all men?" Then, why do you think He "died" for everyone?
1 Tim. 4:10 -- Jesus "saved" many people from sicknesses who NEVER GOT SAVED eternally. He feeds the wicked (saves them from famine, thirst, etc.) and in that sense He's their savior. To use this scripture as support for Jesus "dying" for everybody that's ever lived is poor.
Your reply on 1 Tim 4:10 is weak. Jesus is people's saviour because he feeds and heals many people? Please. The scriptures never say he's there saviour BECAUSE of those things. He doesn't even save everyone from famine and thirst. Millions die of famine, so how could you make that argument? He didn't heal everyone either, so he's not their Saviour in that respecd either. You are left with him being their Saviour from sins which he is. But they have to receive what he redeemed them from.
If referring to the apostate, could the person be set apart in some sense? Certainly the Hebrews in question had many priviledges, like the OT jews who failed to enter. The spies brought back food and other things. They "tasted" of the land and the new world to come, but NEVER ENTERED. Yet, they had been SET APART to enter because they were Jewish. Similary, weren't Jews waiting for the Messiah? In some sense, weren't they SET APART for Him? In NO WAY did Jesus die for apostates.
If the word "he" is referring to the "once-saved" apostate, why use the word "sanctified" and not SAVED? Salvation is used in this epistle alone (in some form) in:
Plus, "eternal redemption" is used in 9:12 "eternal inheritance" in 9:15, and "made perfect forever" 10:14
Has anyone ever inquired of you as to the day you came to Christ? If so, did they ask you: "When were you sanctified?" I'll bet GOD would ALSO use saved if HE meant SAVED.
1.) Who is the "he" referring to in "by which 'he' was sanctified? Was it the apostate or Jesus? In John 17:19 Jesus prayed "I sanctify Myself for them." Same greek word. Obviously it was His blood that was set apart in the passage. Could 10:29 be referring to the blood by which "Jesus" was sanctified? MANY scholars believe this.
Matthew Henry, John Owen, Arthur Pink to name a few.
Who cares what "many scholars say" (Calvinist only by the way, and only a few of them). Hebrews 10:29 is clear. The first "he" matches the second "he." You switch meanings of the two "he's" in the same sentence. "He" did not change meaning in the same sentence. Even you said the first "he" is the apostate, so the second one is also proving that the apostate was sanctified by the blood of Jesus.
Who cares what many SCHOLARS SAY? I have an idea: let's just listen to you and I, who are NOBODIES! Hey everybody, listen to me!!!! Why, cuz I'm ME!
HAHAHAHHAA!! YOU ARE VERY FUNNY FRIEND. WHO CARES WHAT SOMEBODY MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT THAN WE ARE MIGHT HAVE TO SAY. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE FALSE TEACHING.
No, I don't care what scholars say because I can think for myself. Most scholars are lost anyway including yourself who believes a false gospel. "More intelligence" doesn't impress me a whit. Someone that believes the true gospel has more wisdom anyway. Calvinism is a false gospel and all your logic won't undo that. I am done with you, since a man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition-REJECT. You have been rejected.
I agree with you that you can think for yourself. But the bigger issue is the fact that many scholars do know greek or hebrew (which many words cannot be easily translated to english such as 'love' in greek for the easiest example).
Second of all, who are you to reject or accept someone? Leave that to The LORD. It is His final say which can only be hinted at by the bible. "Man looks at the outward appearance..." and I am pretty sure you know the rest.
Actually again, I DID NOT SAY the apostate IS the person sanctified...I merely said IT COULD BE. If He's saved, why didn't GOD used the word saved? You failed to answer that question, CONVENIENTLY.
Remembering that there were NO upper/lower case letters in manuscripts (or punctuation either, I think, letters were all one size), this is how 10:29 looks HOW MUCH SEVERER PUNISHMENT DO YOU THINK HE WILL DESERVE WHO HAS TRAMPLED UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD AND HAS REGARDED AS UNCLEAN THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT BY WHICH HE WAS SANCTIFIED AND HAS INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE
Notice Hebrews 10:39 "But WE are not of THOSE who shrink back to destruction, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
Questions:
1.) Shrink back from WHERE? Remember the analogy to OT Jews who failed to enter. Shrinking back from merely being on the border of Canaan, but NOT ENTERING?
2.) The "WE" said that they had faith all the way to the SAVING of the soul, not to the HOLDING ON TO SALVATION. Now, you CAN'T assume the people in 10:26-29 were saved.
Clearly, the author is concerned that some of his readers had merely made "professions" and hadn't even INITIALLY BELIEVED, LET ALONE ENTERED. Why can't the warning passages refer to them?
The key to Hebrews is Chap 3 and 4. He warns the Hebrews to hold on to their "confession/confidence" (not their salvation), and thus prove they're real. From 3:7-18, the author makes a direct reference to the OT Jews.
Question: Did the unfaithful OT Jews ENTER the land of Canaan...and then fall back out? walk away? No, they NEVER ENTERED.
3:11 "I swore in my wrath they shall NEVER ENTER (not "never stay in")
3:19 - Thus..they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
Could Peter be saying (paraphrase) - But there arose false prophets among the people who denied the Lord/Master who bought them out of Egypt, so too there will arise among you false teachers, who, by denying the gopsel, will deny GOD the Father who also bought THEM out of Egypt. If it refers to Christ, then:
1.) Explain why cross, blood, Jesus, etc. are not used
2.) Why Depotes is used
3.) Why its not feasible to think the Father is being referred to.
You should join a gymnastics team for you ability to stretch the plain meaning. You said False teachers in the New Testament are denying the Lord that bought the Israelites out of Egypt. Wrong! Look at word "themselves" that matches "them." They (false prophets) bring upon 'themselves" swift destruction. The "themselves' matches "them" and the "them" is speaking of false prophets who were "bought" by Christ's blood. This word "bought" is also used of us being bought "Ye are bought with a price.
(Cont.) For you to say that these false prophets are going to hell for denying that the Lord bought the Israelites out of Egypt is laughable. Since when do people go to hell for denying that? These false prophets are going to hell for denying the Lord Jesus WHO BOUGHT THEM. They are denying the gospel, not denying some incident in the Old Test. That doesn't even make sense.
Did you even read what I wrote? Clearly not very well. I'm saying that Just as the OT false teachers denied GOD who bought them out of Egypt, so too, AND PLEASE, LISTEN CAREFULLY, READ CAREFULLY...
The present false prophets in this scripture 2 Peter 2:1, are
1.) Denying GOD the Father who bought them out of Egypt (all Jews are descendants from those redeemed in Egypt)
2.) How are they denying GOD the Father who bought them? By denying the gospel. GOD bought them, not Jesus.
You're using yourself as the standard of what's clear
KingJamesVideoMan says: "this is clear"
CONCLUSION: It must be clear.
You literally HAVE to make this mean what you say it means, despite very good arguments on my part. Why, because you can't afford to be wrong. You're basing your argument on "thems, and theses and stuff" What's the context say?
@KingJamesVideoMan You added "blood", nowhere in this context is redemption hinted at, you are adding your presupposition to the text. It is perfectly in line with the DESPOTES who OWNED/bought the Israelites. God owns everyone, He is the creator and DESPOT of everyone. Jews (by which this is who he is referring to [Jeudaizers] would recognize the Old Testament (especially since they used the Septuagint) phrase.
Also, you are in ERROR when you say that "NO Calvinist will say that the blood of Jesus Sanctified an unbeliever". The problem is, you assume the word Sanctified in the strict Redemptive sense, but the word means much more than that in the Greek.
John Piper, who is one of the leading reformed theologians , DOES say they were "set apart" ... please read his sermon "Woe to Those Who Trample the Son of God" April 13, 1997 found at DesiringGod . o r g under "sermons" then "by date" .
Depotes is used of Jesus in Jude 4 but of GOD in Luke 2:29, Acts 4:24 and Rev. 6:10. There's a big clue in the first part of the verse. "And false teachers arose among the people" --are we agreed that these are OT Jews? Could Peter be referring to GOD buying Jews out of Egypt?
2 Peter 2:1 - How do you know the word Master/Lord referred to here is Jesus and NOT God the Father? This is of immense importance because The Father did not die on the Cross for us.
Questions;
1.) Where are the words Jesus, Son, Christ, blood, cross, atonement, propitiation, lamb, sacrifice, etc.? They're strangely missing.
2.) Why is the Greek word for Master/Lord NOT "kurios," which is used of Jesus HUNDREDS of times in the NT? (strong's 2962). Rather, it's "despotes," used only 10x
There is also historical evidence of a Gnostic sect called Nitolaitans a century or so later.
Gnosticism is a heresy which is made up of a diverse set of beliefs. Tertullian and Origen also provide information regarding Gnostic beliefs. Lastly, many Gnostic writings were discovered at the Nag Hammadi Library. Nag Hammadi is a town in Upper Egypt near ancient Chenoboskion and 13 codices were discovered about 1945.
What did God say about Egypt in Deu.17:16, in(Exo.20:2)God call's Egypt what?
in "vital" relationship (Ps. 110:3; Eph. 2:8; Eph. 1:19; Jno. 6:37, 44). Cognitive faith is indeed present in some, but the gift of faith is present in all of God's children; hence, I concur that no one goes to heaven without faith, but deny that no one goes to heaven without rational knowledge of the truth. A teaching does indeed take place in the new birth, for God teaches the heart directly and immediately to know Him (Jno. 6:65). Cognitive faith, however, must necessarily this initial.......
You have to read scripture in context and you can't ADD TO it. Paul wrote that letter to the church. "Brethren" means believers. The "our" in that verse means the believers sins whom he was writing to. That's what it says and that's what it means. I'm very sorry if the Word of God taken completely in context wars against the flesh (and it does - BIG TIME), but thats exactly what it says. It's not a statement about our Lord and Savior that says He died for "our" (everyones) sins. It's believers.
When reading scripture the #1 rule is "Context". In other words who is writng, to whom, when, why and so on . . . Paul is writing to the church @ Corinth. The word "Brethren " refers to christians. Paul is writng to christians, so the "our" he is referring to is christians. He is saying Christ died for OUR (christians) sins. I don't see how you can't see that. KJVM - please respond so you can hear the truth!
I don't dispute that Paul wrote to Christians at Corinth and that Christ died for the saints at Corinth. You are the one that adds "Christ died ONLY for our sins" at Corinth. If the word "only" was there, then you have made a good argument. If I told you Christ died for our sins, and by that I meant my family's sins, would that mean he didn't die for your family's? Of course not. You do the same reasoning. Christ died for our sins Paul said in 1 Cor. 15 and that doesn't exclude others.
It is not Calvinists who claim that Christ died for a very limited number of people, rather openly and clearly one will admit that it is an unknowable number for every tribe, tongue and nation that will be saved but you ignore the obvious. It was Jesus who said "many are called, but FEW chosen" it was also He who said "narrow is the gate and difficult the way and there are few who find it." Talk about a false gospel - that would be the one that widens the gate and simplifies the way
@kcwmjb That "few are chosen" line only appears when Jesus is recapping a parable. In Matt 20, the hired hands were paid for their labor. Those who worked more hours complained that the guy who worked fewer hours got paid the same. But they ALL got paid. So who are these servants? Believers! The "few are chosen" thing has nothing to do with justification in context, but rather with rewards--our attaining the prize, our inheritance, for sanctification. Same with the other parables.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
You are wanting me to believe the word "he" refers to Christ?? You've got to be kidding. Look at the first usage of the word "he" in the paragraph. It is a sinner in hell
The issue is not the first use of "he" in the paragraph because "The Son of God" is introduced as a new noun. It seems just as plausible that it could refer to Jesus. I don't see any problem when I see the "he" referring to Christ.
Let me restate it for you. He that despised Moses law is the same one getting "the sorer punishment" and is the same one who "hath trodden under foot the Son of God" and is the same one who counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing. The subject of this paragraph is not the Son of God. It is "he that despiseth Moses' law. That "he" is is the same he all throughout.
It doens't matter if the subject is the apostate, the Son of God IS spoken of and He is the LAST person before the "he". You put too much emphasis on personal pronouns and he's" "alls" "anys"
The first usage of the word "he" in the paragraph is not relevant since a new noun "Son of God" is used. I don't see any reason why the "he" who is sanctified can't be referring to Christ.
"who hath trodden underfoot...(who) hath counted the blood of the covenant...an unholy thing. It is the same "he" that despised Moses law. You are dead wrong, ringmasterzeppelin. You are wanting it to mean Son of God because you have no answer as to how this man could be sanctified by the blood of the covenant and be in hell. It refutes Calvinism and you'll try anything not to see it by stretching it beyond measure to mean the Son of God. It does not and in no way can mean Son of God.
I never asserted anything, so how can I be dead wrong? Notice I asked politely too.
Again, the "Son of God" is introduced as a new noun, so why can't he be the one sanctified. There are two "he"s in this paragraph, so why can't the sanctification refer to the Son of God.
It would fit too because the verbs the sinner is accused of are active (hath done despite, trodden underfoot) and the sanctification is passive. I don't see any contradiction in reading it that way.
Brother, instead of judging people and their motives, why don't you ask YOURSELF what we have to lose compared with YOU. YOU have made all these videos warning people of the evils of Calvinism. YOU HAVE A LOT more reason to "save face". Could it be, and I'm asking, that you REFUSE to see any other way because it would be far too costly to your pride? You might have to recant and face yourself for being the very person you're warning others against. I dont' know for sure, but God does.
Actually, the last person spoken of is the Son of God. And Jesus said Himself that "I sanctify myself for their sakes" John 17:19. Why, grammatically speaking can this NOT refer to Christ? Why biblically is it impossible for the "he" to refer to Christ? Jesus said himself in John 17:19 the same word "sanctify".
If Calvinism is a false Gospel, then please do erase the word "predestined" from the Bible, and "your will be done, not mine" Mr. King James Only Cultist. One more thing evil self-glorifier: LOGOMACHY IS A SIN. STOP ARGUING OVER WORDS, KJVONLYIST, OR BE CONDEMNED TO HELL.
GOD'S WILL, WILL ALWAYS BE DONE, NOT YOURS. THANK GOD FOR THAT.
Kyleain says "Stop arguing over words". "Man doth not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Maybe God should have never given us his WORDS or maybe we should just get rid of them since they're the source of so much conflict. Let's just chunk the book and love each other. Please. Run along now.
If you would take the whole of scripture you will see, that whoever had the blood would be and is saved. I am positive that all who had the blood on thier doorposts in the days of Moses and the Exodus were saved, whearas the Egyptians were outside and experienced the wrath and judgement of God. To have the blood is to be saved!!!
"iam positive that all who had the blood on thier doorposts in the days of Moses and the Exodus were saved."
Do you know that there is also a conditon for them to obey before that blood is effective?"Not one of you shall go out the door of his house until morning."Exodus12:22.If the israelites have not obeyed they will also die.Thus it is clear that the blood of christ sanctifies us,but we must continue to live in obedience to God's will till the end to be saved.Calvinism is HERESAY!
I think what you are saying is only those who are CHOSEN by God to be saved will live in obedience to his will till the end.I don't believe in that because it contradicts the Bible.jesus said"he who holds on to the end will be saved".This doesnot mean that only the chosen ones will hold on to the end.
King solomon and King Saul were chosen by God.Yet they turn their back on God even though He told them to repent from their sins.How do you explain that?
We are to live a repentent life. We do not just repent once, but it is a lifetimes endeavor. King Saul was judged for his disobedience and the mantle given to David " A man after Gods heart. Solomon? If we dismiss him, then you might as well throw away the Proverbs.
We don't need to throw away the proverbs because they are actually God's wisdom that He gives to Solomon.However God has to make his judgement because He is a just and holy God.Solomon turn away even though God appeared to him and tell him repent from his sins.Solomon has a very close relationship with God.Yet he turned away.That is a clear picture that Man's will can overide God's will for his life.We are to live a repentant life.Well that mean that to persevere depends also on man's choice.
Man can overide Gods will,so you are saying that God is helpless? I thought the scriptures said ....Don't say I am going to move here or to this city and make money, but rather say, "if it is the Lords will, I will do these things, James 4:15
God is not helpless my friend!If we see it in the world's perspective then we'll say he is a weak God.Aboutjames4:15,james is actually talking about boasting here.God is strong and powerful,but he doesnot choose to overide our will because He is also a God of justice.see deut30:11-19.If God allows His will to overide man's will,then Adam and Eve would have never sinned.I think you better read Ezekiel 18:21-29,before you start another comment.
The context of James 4:15 is boasting, but we are given the REASON boasting is evil. Now with Adam and Eve, we are not in dispute over whether they had a free-will, as they were created in Gods Image ( perfect), but man ever since, his will is corrupted by sin.
If man's will is corripted by sin then why did jesus give an invitation to those who are weary and tired of carrying heavy load.He told them to "take" the yoke from Him.The truth is a person is saved by Grace.But when he was saved,his human nature is just covered up.Therefore,when the time of testing or temptation comes that human nature will see reemerge creating a conflict in that person, wether he'll CHOOSE to listen to the soft conviction of the HolySpirit or satisfy his desires.
An invitation does not mean ALL can respond. We are to preach to ALL creation, though both Arminian & Calvinist alike realize not ALL will be saved, unless of course one is a universalist. Jesus said Math 20:16 Many are called but few chosen. John 6:24 "No one can come unless the Spirit draws him". Read also John 10:3, 26
Read Dt. 28:63- I will delight over you to destroy you. Exodus 14:4 - God is glorified in destroying Pharaoh and His army. How does He not 'wil' this?
If the Gospel IS Calvinism, then when Paul said that the Corinthians were begotten by his gospel (they were born again by Calvinism?) and the gospel is the power of God unto salvation (Calvinism is what saves you?). Much like sodomy, Calvinism doesn't occur at the point of CONception, but at the point of DEception. Selah.
The Rub it in Their Faces Gospel of TULIP Calvinism is not glad tidings to every creature at all. How is this Good news to preach to every creature? Most likely, NO BLOOD WAS SHED FOR YOU, God takes pleasure in your death, He will damn you to the praise of 'His glorious justice', you probably aren't one of the preselect, Elect, Elite, Lucky Lotto, prestacked ones and thus won't be drawn, but He'll give you the 'Fatten 'em up for the Slaughter' grace so you can treasure up more wrath. Hoo,Hoo,Ha!
Didn't you listen. On this one or another one I said it is a false gospel and if you believed it when you came to Christ, you couldn't have gotten saved believing a false gospel. If you believe after getting saved, you are deceived, not lost.
Worse than this, "Calvinism is the Gospel and nothing Else." (Spurgeon's Defense of Calvinism). Calvinists like to teach that CALVINISM IS THE GOSPEL. Yet, only the Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation. Such careless, wicked statements teach that ONLY CALVINISTS ARE SAVED. Think about this.
How can CALVINISM BE GOOD NEWS TO EVERY CREATURE? This is the WORST NEWS TO EVERY CREATURE POSSIBLE. You are all predamned, with no blood shed, and your nonexistent will won't be overthrown. GOOD NEWS?
Calvinists teach that TULIP IS THE GOSPEL! Reformed theologian Herman Hoeksema says:
"...for me the truth of the gospel and the Reformed faith are synonymous."Calvinist David Engelsma:"Calvinism is the Gospel. Its outstanding doctrines are simply the truths that make up the Gospel."Calvinist Arthur Constance:"Calvinism is the Gospel and to teach Calvinism is in fact to preach the Gospel. It is questionable whether a dogmatic theology which is not Calvinistic is truly Christian." Repent, TULIPS.
You're exactly right bookborn. Excellent. It is the worst news imaginable-that Christ only died for an extremely small number of people and that you are either born one of them or not. What a perversion of the love and justice of God! He is the Saviour of all men, specially of them that believe.
Hey, Steve. This is me, Randy, from Roanoke, VA. We've been corresponding via email some. Still enjoying your site. Especially liked the Adam/Christ comparison and Catch Phrases and Jesus/Word comparison... Why are so many Calvinists so heady when the Bible says NOT MANY WISE AFTER THE FLESH ARE CALLED? Satan is wiser than Daniel and has come up with an intricate arrangement of lies (John 8:44)... Eccles. says God has put in our hearts to not know all His works the beginning from the end.
Ask Jesus for the answer to your question Bookborn. It seems that the words of our Lord in John 8:42-44 were not very GOOD NEWS to the creatures He spoke to.
Search the scriptures, bookborn, for in them ye think ye have eternal life. Read all verses that testify of Jesus, then speak truth and whole truth boldly. For now, your words look like hatespeak to me.
wayne, John 8:42-44 is about them being of their Father the devil. The Gospel (glad tidings/good news) is to be preached to EVERY CREATURE. Jesus taught most go to hell (broad way & many). Is the good news to every creature that Christ DIED FOR THE ELECT'S SINS? Hatespeak? THE TRUTH IS HATE TO THOSE WHO HATE THE TRUTH. Dear Calvinists, when is the last time you stood on a stret corner, lifted up your voice like a trumpet, cried aloud and spared not, preaching the glorious gospel? Selah.
God is actually outside the picture when we are born. We are lost and spiritually dead anyway. Our will is there to obey or disobey. If we draw near to God the scriptures say He will draw near to us. Thatz the word speaking here. God will not make or compel us to act, only aid us with His help when we respond.
if you reject predestination, you believe that the ultimate source and foundation of salvation is man's choice, decision, and will. the Bible does not teach this.
Me thinks the Bible does teach exercising our will. F'instance to receive Christ must come from the individual. Even asking is an act of the will as our own spirit is subject to us as an individual. This verse is the result of what I am saying: "But as many as received him (Christ), to them gave he power to become the sons of God"! Howabout "If ye be willing and obedient" or "For if there be first a willing mind" or "in all things willing to live honestly" etc?
but our will, as humans, is to resist God and push him away, knowingly or unknowingly. We cannot and will not approach him without him pulling us in, or 'drawing' us in (john 6:44)
God is actually outside the picture when we are born. We are lost and spiritually dead anyway. Our will is there to obey or disobey. If we draw near to God the scriptures say He will draw near to us. Thatz the word speaking here. God will not make or compel us to act, only aid us with His help when we respond.
Also, KingJamesVideoMan is a little outgoing about condemning people in his videos here. Just because someone may preach this false gospel of Calvinism they are not saved? I don't think so! If someone has honestly repented to Christ and become changed or 'reborn' etc, if they may misunderstand one slight thing from scripture, they are still saved. Having a misunderstood view of, basically, predestination doesn't condemn one to hell. Be careful with making false claims, KingJamesVideoMan.
If you paid attention to all three videos, I specifically made the point that just because you believe Calvinism doesn't mean you're lost. I said if you come to Christ initially and believe the Calvinist gospel, you are believing another gospel for your salvation and cannot be saved. I said you can believe in Calvinism after getting saved and you are deceived, not lost.
Irrefutable all right Steve ... Saviour of ALL men ... both the believer and unbeliever! It is there written very clearly in black and white! How can a person be so blind, unless they don't wont to see?
for beliver and non-believer? if that is the case, what is the point of repenting???? Why follow Christ if he died for you and you are all set anyway? this is not true, obviously. You must repent to Christ to receive this gift, even though you still don't deserve it, and in God's eyes, you are still a sinner as is everyone, but you have repented, so you are saved.
Sure you must repent prsguitarsr4me ! Thatz the problem with Calvinism. If you are chosen whatz the point? The gospel is that Jesus tasted death for EVERY man (ALL) but only those who RECEIVE Christ receive the gift of eternal life and become a son of God
thanks for the reply - i'm glad i wasn't missing something big there! I think the only reason the 'only a select few' idea exists is because while, yes, we must repent, since God is all knowing, and the reference of 'time' that our universe uses doesn't apply to God, He already knows the future, and who will repent and won't.
how does Calvinism contradict this? to say that God doesn't already know who is to be saved is to say that He isn't all knowing. it makes no sense to say that predestination doesn't exist.
I'm not interested in what Calvin says. I don't follow him but Jesus and I am only interested in what the word says. Like me and you, Calvin can be right and wrong as he WAS just a man.
well let's get real about this: Calvin barely said anything about predestination - it is all afterward and in the 5 points that it is mentioned. that aside, I'm not quoting Calvin or Calvinism, I'm quoting the Bible.
If you are so sure of what you believe, why don't you hold a public debate with James White? I think most Arminians would run from that idea, because we,ve seen what James White does to Arminians in public debates! It is amazing, though, that Christ's Blood was shed for everyone, but it was spilled for most people that would reject Him!
bobby7771117 1 month ago
@bobby7771117 I also feel that many Pastors today are not provided with the skills to enable them to successfully exegete God's Word! No, more learning and intelligence is not a bad thing! It is indeed a great thing, if you are taught correctly how to actually practice the science of Biblical Hermeneutics! I highly recommend :"Introduction To Biblical Interpretation" by William W. Klein;Craig L. Blomberg;and Robert L. Hubbard, Jr. It will do you a world of good!!! BobbyK
bobby7771117 1 month ago
If Jesus paid for the sins of those in Hell, what are they doing there? Does God demand more than one payment for sins? Didn't Jesus die once for all time?
I don't think you really understand who all those "we's" and "our's" are referring to (try looking at who the epistle is addressed to & written by). And the phrase "for the whole world" is a misleading translation of the Greek "περὶ ὅλου τοῦ κόσμου".
tolar9 3 months ago
Do you believe that those who are TRULY saved, can lose their salvation? How does 10:29 relate to 10:14?
You do understand that the word for sanctify has a semantic domain which includes "set apart"? Are there not many who set themselves apart by being in the church for many years, yet they were never truly born again? Israel was set apart from all the other nations, yet not EVERY individual was of God. There are many implications of the word I don't think you have explored.
ronathanedwards 6 months ago
You, sir, have not read the Bible as a whole.
lowbattery34 7 months ago
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God warns those that take scripture out of context.
dmkdaniels1 7 months ago
1 Tim. 4:10 - If all men have an eternal savior, then why do some still end up in hell?
This refers to God's common grace upon all men saved and condemned alike in the following: Restraining sin (Rom. 2:14-15), and judgment (Rom. 2:3-4); showering them with temporal blessings (Matt: 5:45; Acts 17:25), etc.
The counter argument? Eph. 1:4-5; 1 Thes. 1:2-4; John 13:18, 15:16; Rom. 9:15-16; Eph. 1:9-11; Rom. 8:29-30; 1 Cor. 1:26-31 . . .
Bill244888 8 months ago
2 Peter 2:1 – Their identification as “false prophets” indicates they were posing as genuine believers. Thus, they would have claimed all of the blessings of a true believer, the greatest of which is being purchased by Christ. But their false teachings and destructive heresies denied the very one who they were claiming had “bought them”. All other references to Christ purchasing or redeeming are directly tied true believers. (Luke 1:68; Acts 20:28; 1 Cor. 6:20; 7:23; Gal. 3:13; Rev. 5:9)
Bill244888 8 months ago
Hebrews 10:28-29 (continued) Sanctified - “To be set aside for God's purposes”, a passive verb referring to the subject. If, as you propose, the subject is the one “. . . who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, . . .” then for what purpose was he “sanctified”? If you say that he was sanctified for destruction to display God's justice, then I think a case can be made for that from Romans 9. But if not, then your proposition flies in the face of 2 Thess. 2:13
Bill244888 8 months ago
Hebrews 10:28-29 (continued) The correlation in the O.T. 10:28 “He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses.” Then on to verse 29 “Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he (the Son of God – see John 17:19) was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?”
Bill244888 8 months ago
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Hebrews 10:28-29 – Remember . . . CONTEXT! Starting with Heb. 10:26 “For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,” i.e., if we do not “. . . do works meet for repentance.” (Acts 26:20) then Christ's sacrifice is of no benefit to us. Thus, we see the result in 10:27 “But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”.
Bill244888 8 months ago
In the video.. he says lets see who the "our" is from the Christ dying for our sins verse.. then he skips off to the book of Hebrews. All you have to do is stay in 1 Corinthians 1:7 and see that this letter is addressed to the Church of Corinth. So when Paul tells them Christ died for our sins he is speaking to the Church.
Risen1s 1 year ago 3
Someone take the Scriptures away from this man.
patrckhh20 1 year ago
The word Saviour in v. 10 should not be taken in its strict meaning. If we did take it that way Paul would be advocating universal salvation. Saviour here means one who protects and delivers which God does for the unbelievers by feeding, clothing them etc. (The rain falls on the wicked also.) Paul uses the word "especially" to convey spiritual salvation. I hope this helps.
MahanaimCh 1 year ago
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@MahanaimCh This is how God is drawing all men, but sadly many will not open their heart to Jesus.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 BEHOLD, I STAND AT THE DOOR, AND KNOCK: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
TheLordOfHost1 1 month ago
When a Christian speaking to the brethren says OUR he means OUr, that of the believers, not all people. He died for all people who would beleive, not just Jews but all people of all nations, the whole world. Propitiation means accepted payment. Paid in full. Wrath is propitiated. Study the words. You have been deceived by lack of vocabulary understanding. See 1 Cor 7:14 children of beleivers are said to be sanctified. But not necessarily truly converted. Just in the visible not invisible cov.
wellthmaker 1 year ago
Heb 10:29 is a hypothetical "what if" someone sanctified with the blood of the covenant could actually trod under foot the Son of God and count it an unholy thing, despite the Spirit of grace; how much sorer would their punishment be that those that despised Moses law.
And the Lord bought the Whole field to get the treasure out of it.
EverydayRevival 1 year ago
So the majestic Son of God has to beg sinful man to "accept" him into our depraved hearts? Re-read Acts, Paul hated Jesus and His followers and was murdering them and jailing them, He did not ask Jesus into his heart, The LORD knocked him off his horse and blinded him and spoke from heaven to him. No where in the Gospels do the apostles come to Jesus, He calls them. You better read Romans 8 also. I am not a Calvinist, I just believe in the Sovereign election of God. God owes NO ONE salvation.
reginaDexant 1 year ago
2 Corinthians 13:11
* Aim for perfection, listen to my appeal, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.
MODERATECALVINISM 1 year ago
Sir, your exegesis is pretty good, and yet you make the unfortunate mistake of taking cogent interpretation and jumping on to applying it to something unrelated. Indeed, Calvin dealt with a sovereign God, whereas your framework seems to deal with a Jesus who died to sanctify people, and yet a God who doesn't actively change people.
sananima 1 year ago
You state a fact I think Calvinists believe & will not disagree. Jesus paid for all the sins which were due to the Holy Father, God.
What you appear to be missing is that Calvinists believe only the elect will have Faith, given to them as a gift from God as His elect.(Eph 2:8). So, not all will be saved only those who have Faith alone.
tbart8 1 year ago
This guy thinks the doctrine of election is the Gospel. The gospel in it's proper sense is the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. See 1 Cor 15 1-4. The Gospel is only about what Christ did for you 2000 years ago. The Gospel may imply other doctrines but in the proper sense it is NOT the doctrine of election, repentance, sanctification, or any other configuration. The Gospel is the doctrine of HOW we are justified to God, not WHO is justified to God.
CASEYMARK76 1 year ago
This man should debate James White on this very subject as well as "King James Only." That would be nice to see.
parakeethands 1 year ago
KJVM - I want to thank you for explaining this. Recently I was presented with the idea that God selected the elect from the foundations of the earth, ONLY loves those elect, and only DIED for those elect. The rest of the human race He hates. This confused me and troubled me which prompted me to search for videos on the subject. Thats how I found yours.
angelsoulnme 2 years ago
1st false assertion: that Calvinists believe that Christ died for a "very limited NUMBER of people". Calvinists claim no such nonsense, for the Scriptures say, "thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth.."(Gen.28:14) "I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number..."(Rev.7:9). No Calvinist, if his/her theology is correct, would put a 'number' on the elect, much less, make it a 'very limited number' :)
rkg62976 2 years ago 2
kjvm, i still stand on this (from my first response on ur first vid of the series): to understand the our in 1 cor 15 we should use 1 cor 15.
1.Heb 10--i believe this passage is about apostates (like those described 1 John 2:19 and judas iscariot) who at one time looked as though they were of us (true Christian) but were not. its a warning passage against apostasy. 2.pastor jim mclarty does a GREAT job w/ the 2 peter passage (/watch?v=WVR2y6t6FmQ).
in Christ,
onlyonesuperdude 2 years ago
Thank God that He has called me to follow him and not other men.
Thank God I listen to his voice and not the voice of men.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
you are say Jesus is not capable to finsh the work he starts in some people.
He sanctifies them then he is unable to control them or stop them from perishing.
IS the Love of Christ so week that it cannot cause all sanctified men to obey him to follow him to the very end.
Doesn't sound like the love Christ has shown me.
His Love has captivated me so much that controls me.
what you are saying is man can loose his salvation through his own merits.
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
How does this verse in Hebrews 10.
work with the words of Christ when Jesus says his sheep will "never perish" (John 10:28).
you are saying Jesus paid the price of their sin, they become sanctified then they perish in Hell.
Jesus says his sheep will never Perish. His sheep will have eternal life.
his sheep hear his voice and follow him then the stop listing to him?
When Paul was confident that Christ would finsh the good work he started, It was a false Confidence? (Phil 1:6)
ScottDaMoose 2 years ago
I have VERY recently discovered that debating with people is one of the dumbest things I can do. In fact, it may be done more out of pride than love for GOD and His Word. So, friend, I apologize and humbly disengage. Please forgive me if I've offended you in any way. What good is my "knowledge" if I don't even love my brother whom I can see! How can I be loving God whom I don't!? hehe. Peace out brother. All the best. Jay
jaybramer 2 years ago
1 Tim. 4:10 - ...the savior of all men, especially those who believe. Did He SAVE everyone that's every lived? Why does it say the "savior of all men?" Then, why do you think He "died" for everyone?
1 Tim. 4:10 -- Jesus "saved" many people from sicknesses who NEVER GOT SAVED eternally. He feeds the wicked (saves them from famine, thirst, etc.) and in that sense He's their savior. To use this scripture as support for Jesus "dying" for everybody that's ever lived is poor.
jaybramer 2 years ago
Your reply on 1 Tim 4:10 is weak. Jesus is people's saviour because he feeds and heals many people? Please. The scriptures never say he's there saviour BECAUSE of those things. He doesn't even save everyone from famine and thirst. Millions die of famine, so how could you make that argument? He didn't heal everyone either, so he's not their Saviour in that respecd either. You are left with him being their Saviour from sins which he is. But they have to receive what he redeemed them from.
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
If referring to the apostate, could the person be set apart in some sense? Certainly the Hebrews in question had many priviledges, like the OT jews who failed to enter. The spies brought back food and other things. They "tasted" of the land and the new world to come, but NEVER ENTERED. Yet, they had been SET APART to enter because they were Jewish. Similary, weren't Jews waiting for the Messiah? In some sense, weren't they SET APART for Him? In NO WAY did Jesus die for apostates.
jaybramer 2 years ago
If the word "he" is referring to the "once-saved" apostate, why use the word "sanctified" and not SAVED? Salvation is used in this epistle alone (in some form) in:
1:14, 2:3, 2:10, 5:9, 6:9, 7:25, 9:28, 10:39
Plus, "eternal redemption" is used in 9:12 "eternal inheritance" in 9:15, and "made perfect forever" 10:14
Has anyone ever inquired of you as to the day you came to Christ? If so, did they ask you: "When were you sanctified?" I'll bet GOD would ALSO use saved if HE meant SAVED.
jaybramer 2 years ago
Question:
1.) Who is the "he" referring to in "by which 'he' was sanctified? Was it the apostate or Jesus? In John 17:19 Jesus prayed "I sanctify Myself for them." Same greek word. Obviously it was His blood that was set apart in the passage. Could 10:29 be referring to the blood by which "Jesus" was sanctified? MANY scholars believe this.
Matthew Henry, John Owen, Arthur Pink to name a few.
jaybramer 2 years ago
Who cares what "many scholars say" (Calvinist only by the way, and only a few of them). Hebrews 10:29 is clear. The first "he" matches the second "he." You switch meanings of the two "he's" in the same sentence. "He" did not change meaning in the same sentence. Even you said the first "he" is the apostate, so the second one is also proving that the apostate was sanctified by the blood of Jesus.
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
Who cares what many SCHOLARS SAY? I have an idea: let's just listen to you and I, who are NOBODIES! Hey everybody, listen to me!!!! Why, cuz I'm ME!
HAHAHAHHAA!! YOU ARE VERY FUNNY FRIEND. WHO CARES WHAT SOMEBODY MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT THAN WE ARE MIGHT HAVE TO SAY. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE FALSE TEACHING.
jaybramer 2 years ago
No, I don't care what scholars say because I can think for myself. Most scholars are lost anyway including yourself who believes a false gospel. "More intelligence" doesn't impress me a whit. Someone that believes the true gospel has more wisdom anyway. Calvinism is a false gospel and all your logic won't undo that. I am done with you, since a man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition-REJECT. You have been rejected.
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
I guess learning under Steven McCalip and reading his articles are the exception.
October31st1517 2 years ago
@KingJamesVideoMan
I agree with you that you can think for yourself. But the bigger issue is the fact that many scholars do know greek or hebrew (which many words cannot be easily translated to english such as 'love' in greek for the easiest example).
Second of all, who are you to reject or accept someone? Leave that to The LORD. It is His final say which can only be hinted at by the bible. "Man looks at the outward appearance..." and I am pretty sure you know the rest.
CaptainPlanet248 9 months ago
Actually again, I DID NOT SAY the apostate IS the person sanctified...I merely said IT COULD BE. If He's saved, why didn't GOD used the word saved? You failed to answer that question, CONVENIENTLY.
jaybramer 2 years ago
Remembering that there were NO upper/lower case letters in manuscripts (or punctuation either, I think, letters were all one size), this is how 10:29 looks HOW MUCH SEVERER PUNISHMENT DO YOU THINK HE WILL DESERVE WHO HAS TRAMPLED UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD AND HAS REGARDED AS UNCLEAN THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT BY WHICH HE WAS SANCTIFIED AND HAS INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE
jaybramer 2 years ago
Notice Hebrews 10:39 "But WE are not of THOSE who shrink back to destruction, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
Questions:
1.) Shrink back from WHERE? Remember the analogy to OT Jews who failed to enter. Shrinking back from merely being on the border of Canaan, but NOT ENTERING?
2.) The "WE" said that they had faith all the way to the SAVING of the soul, not to the HOLDING ON TO SALVATION. Now, you CAN'T assume the people in 10:26-29 were saved.
jaybramer 2 years ago
4:1 - Therefore, while there remains a promise of ENTERING, let US fear that any of YOU fail to reach it.
4:3 - For WE who HAVE BELIEVED do enter. (Notice, the "WE" people had believed and entered)
4:6 - ...it remains for some TO ENTER (not stay in)
4:10 - ...be diligent to ENTER (not stay in)
Clearly, the author is concerned that some of his readers had merely made "professions" and hadn't even INITIALLY BELIEVED, LET ALONE ENTERED. Why can't the warning passages refer to them?
jaybramer 2 years ago
The key to Hebrews is Chap 3 and 4. He warns the Hebrews to hold on to their "confession/confidence" (not their salvation), and thus prove they're real. From 3:7-18, the author makes a direct reference to the OT Jews.
Question: Did the unfaithful OT Jews ENTER the land of Canaan...and then fall back out? walk away? No, they NEVER ENTERED.
3:11 "I swore in my wrath they shall NEVER ENTER (not "never stay in")
3:19 - Thus..they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
jaybramer 2 years ago
Could Peter be saying (paraphrase) - But there arose false prophets among the people who denied the Lord/Master who bought them out of Egypt, so too there will arise among you false teachers, who, by denying the gopsel, will deny GOD the Father who also bought THEM out of Egypt. If it refers to Christ, then:
1.) Explain why cross, blood, Jesus, etc. are not used
2.) Why Depotes is used
3.) Why its not feasible to think the Father is being referred to.
4.) Why reference to OT?
jaybramer 2 years ago
You should join a gymnastics team for you ability to stretch the plain meaning. You said False teachers in the New Testament are denying the Lord that bought the Israelites out of Egypt. Wrong! Look at word "themselves" that matches "them." They (false prophets) bring upon 'themselves" swift destruction. The "themselves' matches "them" and the "them" is speaking of false prophets who were "bought" by Christ's blood. This word "bought" is also used of us being bought "Ye are bought with a price.
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
(Cont.) For you to say that these false prophets are going to hell for denying that the Lord bought the Israelites out of Egypt is laughable. Since when do people go to hell for denying that? These false prophets are going to hell for denying the Lord Jesus WHO BOUGHT THEM. They are denying the gospel, not denying some incident in the Old Test. That doesn't even make sense.
KingJamesVideoMan 2 years ago
Did you even read what I wrote? Clearly not very well. I'm saying that Just as the OT false teachers denied GOD who bought them out of Egypt, so too, AND PLEASE, LISTEN CAREFULLY, READ CAREFULLY...
The present false prophets in this scripture 2 Peter 2:1, are
1.) Denying GOD the Father who bought them out of Egypt (all Jews are descendants from those redeemed in Egypt)
2.) How are they denying GOD the Father who bought them? By denying the gospel. GOD bought them, not Jesus.
jaybramer 2 years ago
You're using yourself as the standard of what's clear
KingJamesVideoMan says: "this is clear"
CONCLUSION: It must be clear.
You literally HAVE to make this mean what you say it means, despite very good arguments on my part. Why, because you can't afford to be wrong. You're basing your argument on "thems, and theses and stuff" What's the context say?
Where's blood, Christ, Cross. NOT THERE!
jaybramer 2 years ago
@KingJamesVideoMan You added "blood", nowhere in this context is redemption hinted at, you are adding your presupposition to the text. It is perfectly in line with the DESPOTES who OWNED/bought the Israelites. God owns everyone, He is the creator and DESPOT of everyone. Jews (by which this is who he is referring to [Jeudaizers] would recognize the Old Testament (especially since they used the Septuagint) phrase.
ronathanedwards 6 months ago
Also, you are in ERROR when you say that "NO Calvinist will say that the blood of Jesus Sanctified an unbeliever". The problem is, you assume the word Sanctified in the strict Redemptive sense, but the word means much more than that in the Greek.
John Piper, who is one of the leading reformed theologians , DOES say they were "set apart" ... please read his sermon "Woe to Those Who Trample the Son of God" April 13, 1997 found at DesiringGod . o r g under "sermons" then "by date" .
ronathanedwards 6 months ago
Depotes is used of Jesus in Jude 4 but of GOD in Luke 2:29, Acts 4:24 and Rev. 6:10. There's a big clue in the first part of the verse. "And false teachers arose among the people" --are we agreed that these are OT Jews? Could Peter be referring to GOD buying Jews out of Egypt?
Deut. 32:6 - Am I not your Father who bought you?
Ex. 15:13,16 - God is called the "redeemer"
Are not ALL Jews descendants of those "bought" out of Egypt?
jaybramer 2 years ago
2 Peter 2:1 - How do you know the word Master/Lord referred to here is Jesus and NOT God the Father? This is of immense importance because The Father did not die on the Cross for us.
Questions;
1.) Where are the words Jesus, Son, Christ, blood, cross, atonement, propitiation, lamb, sacrifice, etc.? They're strangely missing.
2.) Why is the Greek word for Master/Lord NOT "kurios," which is used of Jesus HUNDREDS of times in the NT? (strong's 2962). Rather, it's "despotes," used only 10x
jaybramer 2 years ago
There is also historical evidence of a Gnostic sect called Nitolaitans a century or so later.
Gnosticism is a heresy which is made up of a diverse set of beliefs. Tertullian and Origen also provide information regarding Gnostic beliefs. Lastly, many Gnostic writings were discovered at the Nag Hammadi Library. Nag Hammadi is a town in Upper Egypt near ancient Chenoboskion and 13 codices were discovered about 1945.
What did God say about Egypt in Deu.17:16, in(Exo.20:2)God call's Egypt what?
TheSearcher24 2 years ago
Hey I agree with you and have studied the same verses.
So I liked what you said.
Hey here is a cool verse to look at.
(Rev 2:15) So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
God hate's doctrine's of men, Calvinism is named after a man.
Look up who the Nicolaitans are, remember Isa.8:20.
TheSearcher24 2 years ago
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in "vital" relationship (Ps. 110:3; Eph. 2:8; Eph. 1:19; Jno. 6:37, 44). Cognitive faith is indeed present in some, but the gift of faith is present in all of God's children; hence, I concur that no one goes to heaven without faith, but deny that no one goes to heaven without rational knowledge of the truth. A teaching does indeed take place in the new birth, for God teaches the heart directly and immediately to know Him (Jno. 6:65). Cognitive faith, however, must necessarily this initial.......
hugiaino 2 years ago
Please see my comments below this fellows 1st post in this series.
hugiaino 2 years ago
Amen and amen!
edwardpf123 3 years ago
regarding those that were sanctified but received a worse judgement, could that be a case against once saved always saved???
filoIII 3 years ago
You have to read scripture in context and you can't ADD TO it. Paul wrote that letter to the church. "Brethren" means believers. The "our" in that verse means the believers sins whom he was writing to. That's what it says and that's what it means. I'm very sorry if the Word of God taken completely in context wars against the flesh (and it does - BIG TIME), but thats exactly what it says. It's not a statement about our Lord and Savior that says He died for "our" (everyones) sins. It's believers.
jequimiro 3 years ago
When reading scripture the #1 rule is "Context". In other words who is writng, to whom, when, why and so on . . . Paul is writing to the church @ Corinth. The word "Brethren " refers to christians. Paul is writng to christians, so the "our" he is referring to is christians. He is saying Christ died for OUR (christians) sins. I don't see how you can't see that. KJVM - please respond so you can hear the truth!
jequimiro 3 years ago
I don't dispute that Paul wrote to Christians at Corinth and that Christ died for the saints at Corinth. You are the one that adds "Christ died ONLY for our sins" at Corinth. If the word "only" was there, then you have made a good argument. If I told you Christ died for our sins, and by that I meant my family's sins, would that mean he didn't die for your family's? Of course not. You do the same reasoning. Christ died for our sins Paul said in 1 Cor. 15 and that doesn't exclude others.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
It is not Calvinists who claim that Christ died for a very limited number of people, rather openly and clearly one will admit that it is an unknowable number for every tribe, tongue and nation that will be saved but you ignore the obvious. It was Jesus who said "many are called, but FEW chosen" it was also He who said "narrow is the gate and difficult the way and there are few who find it." Talk about a false gospel - that would be the one that widens the gate and simplifies the way
kcwmjb 3 years ago
@kcwmjb That "few are chosen" line only appears when Jesus is recapping a parable. In Matt 20, the hired hands were paid for their labor. Those who worked more hours complained that the guy who worked fewer hours got paid the same. But they ALL got paid. So who are these servants? Believers! The "few are chosen" thing has nothing to do with justification in context, but rather with rewards--our attaining the prize, our inheritance, for sanctification. Same with the other parables.
dragsandrags 10 months ago
How would you respond to someone who believes the "he" who was sanctified in Hebrews 10:29 is referring to the Son of God and not the rebel?
ringmasterzeppelin 3 years ago
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
You are wanting me to believe the word "he" refers to Christ?? You've got to be kidding. Look at the first usage of the word "he" in the paragraph. It is a sinner in hell
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
The issue is not the first use of "he" in the paragraph because "The Son of God" is introduced as a new noun. It seems just as plausible that it could refer to Jesus. I don't see any problem when I see the "he" referring to Christ.
ringmasterzeppelin 3 years ago
Let me restate it for you. He that despised Moses law is the same one getting "the sorer punishment" and is the same one who "hath trodden under foot the Son of God" and is the same one who counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing. The subject of this paragraph is not the Son of God. It is "he that despiseth Moses' law. That "he" is is the same he all throughout.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
It doens't matter if the subject is the apostate, the Son of God IS spoken of and He is the LAST person before the "he". You put too much emphasis on personal pronouns and he's" "alls" "anys"
jaybramer 2 years ago
The first usage of the word "he" in the paragraph is not relevant since a new noun "Son of God" is used. I don't see any reason why the "he" who is sanctified can't be referring to Christ.
ringmasterzeppelin 3 years ago
"who hath trodden underfoot...(who) hath counted the blood of the covenant...an unholy thing. It is the same "he" that despised Moses law. You are dead wrong, ringmasterzeppelin. You are wanting it to mean Son of God because you have no answer as to how this man could be sanctified by the blood of the covenant and be in hell. It refutes Calvinism and you'll try anything not to see it by stretching it beyond measure to mean the Son of God. It does not and in no way can mean Son of God.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
I never asserted anything, so how can I be dead wrong? Notice I asked politely too.
Again, the "Son of God" is introduced as a new noun, so why can't he be the one sanctified. There are two "he"s in this paragraph, so why can't the sanctification refer to the Son of God.
It would fit too because the verbs the sinner is accused of are active (hath done despite, trodden underfoot) and the sanctification is passive. I don't see any contradiction in reading it that way.
ringmasterzeppelin 3 years ago
Brother, instead of judging people and their motives, why don't you ask YOURSELF what we have to lose compared with YOU. YOU have made all these videos warning people of the evils of Calvinism. YOU HAVE A LOT more reason to "save face". Could it be, and I'm asking, that you REFUSE to see any other way because it would be far too costly to your pride? You might have to recant and face yourself for being the very person you're warning others against. I dont' know for sure, but God does.
jaybramer 2 years ago
Actually, the last person spoken of is the Son of God. And Jesus said Himself that "I sanctify myself for their sakes" John 17:19. Why, grammatically speaking can this NOT refer to Christ? Why biblically is it impossible for the "he" to refer to Christ? Jesus said himself in John 17:19 the same word "sanctify".
jaybramer 2 years ago
Thanks for the great vids i learned a lot watching your vids part 1 & 2. God bless.
nef2442 3 years ago
If Calvinism is a false Gospel, then please do erase the word "predestined" from the Bible, and "your will be done, not mine" Mr. King James Only Cultist. One more thing evil self-glorifier: LOGOMACHY IS A SIN. STOP ARGUING OVER WORDS, KJVONLYIST, OR BE CONDEMNED TO HELL.
GOD'S WILL, WILL ALWAYS BE DONE, NOT YOURS. THANK GOD FOR THAT.
kyleain 3 years ago
Kyleain says "Stop arguing over words". "Man doth not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Maybe God should have never given us his WORDS or maybe we should just get rid of them since they're the source of so much conflict. Let's just chunk the book and love each other. Please. Run along now.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
If you would take the whole of scripture you will see, that whoever had the blood would be and is saved. I am positive that all who had the blood on thier doorposts in the days of Moses and the Exodus were saved, whearas the Egyptians were outside and experienced the wrath and judgement of God. To have the blood is to be saved!!!
101monergist 3 years ago
"iam positive that all who had the blood on thier doorposts in the days of Moses and the Exodus were saved."
Do you know that there is also a conditon for them to obey before that blood is effective?"Not one of you shall go out the door of his house until morning."Exodus12:22.If the israelites have not obeyed they will also die.Thus it is clear that the blood of christ sanctifies us,but we must continue to live in obedience to God's will till the end to be saved.Calvinism is HERESAY!
qalokesa 3 years ago
qalokesa,
Calvinists believe that a true Christian will live in obedience to Gods will to the end also. It appears you do not understand calvinism.
101monergist 3 years ago
I think what you are saying is only those who are CHOSEN by God to be saved will live in obedience to his will till the end.I don't believe in that because it contradicts the Bible.jesus said"he who holds on to the end will be saved".This doesnot mean that only the chosen ones will hold on to the end.
qalokesa 3 years ago
You are correct. Those who are chosen WILL hold on to the end...."Perserverence of the Saints" P in TULIP !!!
Jesus is talking to Christians who many of them are the chosen. As John said, they who left were not of us because they did not return.
101monergist 3 years ago
King solomon and King Saul were chosen by God.Yet they turn their back on God even though He told them to repent from their sins.How do you explain that?
qalokesa 3 years ago
We are to live a repentent life. We do not just repent once, but it is a lifetimes endeavor. King Saul was judged for his disobedience and the mantle given to David " A man after Gods heart. Solomon? If we dismiss him, then you might as well throw away the Proverbs.
101monergist 3 years ago
We don't need to throw away the proverbs because they are actually God's wisdom that He gives to Solomon.However God has to make his judgement because He is a just and holy God.Solomon turn away even though God appeared to him and tell him repent from his sins.Solomon has a very close relationship with God.Yet he turned away.That is a clear picture that Man's will can overide God's will for his life.We are to live a repentant life.Well that mean that to persevere depends also on man's choice.
qalokesa 3 years ago
Man can overide Gods will,so you are saying that God is helpless? I thought the scriptures said ....Don't say I am going to move here or to this city and make money, but rather say, "if it is the Lords will, I will do these things, James 4:15
101monergist 3 years ago
God is not helpless my friend!If we see it in the world's perspective then we'll say he is a weak God.Aboutjames4:15,james is actually talking about boasting here.God is strong and powerful,but he doesnot choose to overide our will because He is also a God of justice.see deut30:11-19.If God allows His will to overide man's will,then Adam and Eve would have never sinned.I think you better read Ezekiel 18:21-29,before you start another comment.
qalokesa 3 years ago
The context of James 4:15 is boasting, but we are given the REASON boasting is evil. Now with Adam and Eve, we are not in dispute over whether they had a free-will, as they were created in Gods Image ( perfect), but man ever since, his will is corrupted by sin.
101monergist 3 years ago
If man's will is corripted by sin then why did jesus give an invitation to those who are weary and tired of carrying heavy load.He told them to "take" the yoke from Him.The truth is a person is saved by Grace.But when he was saved,his human nature is just covered up.Therefore,when the time of testing or temptation comes that human nature will see reemerge creating a conflict in that person, wether he'll CHOOSE to listen to the soft conviction of the HolySpirit or satisfy his desires.
qalokesa 3 years ago
An invitation does not mean ALL can respond. We are to preach to ALL creation, though both Arminian & Calvinist alike realize not ALL will be saved, unless of course one is a universalist. Jesus said Math 20:16 Many are called but few chosen. John 6:24 "No one can come unless the Spirit draws him". Read also John 10:3, 26
101monergist 3 years ago
Read Dt. 28:63- I will delight over you to destroy you. Exodus 14:4 - God is glorified in destroying Pharaoh and His army. How does He not 'wil' this?
jaybramer 2 years ago
Great video. Love it. Calvanism really sucks A LOT.
God bless.
Satantransvertdeath 3 years ago
If the Gospel IS Calvinism, then when Paul said that the Corinthians were begotten by his gospel (they were born again by Calvinism?) and the gospel is the power of God unto salvation (Calvinism is what saves you?). Much like sodomy, Calvinism doesn't occur at the point of CONception, but at the point of DEception. Selah.
Bookborn 3 years ago
The Rub it in Their Faces Gospel of TULIP Calvinism is not glad tidings to every creature at all. How is this Good news to preach to every creature? Most likely, NO BLOOD WAS SHED FOR YOU, God takes pleasure in your death, He will damn you to the praise of 'His glorious justice', you probably aren't one of the preselect, Elect, Elite, Lucky Lotto, prestacked ones and thus won't be drawn, but He'll give you the 'Fatten 'em up for the Slaughter' grace so you can treasure up more wrath. Hoo,Hoo,Ha!
Bookborn 3 years ago 2
So if a man preaches Calvinism is he then lost?
michaelflat 3 years ago
Didn't you listen. On this one or another one I said it is a false gospel and if you believed it when you came to Christ, you couldn't have gotten saved believing a false gospel. If you believe after getting saved, you are deceived, not lost.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Worse than this, "Calvinism is the Gospel and nothing Else." (Spurgeon's Defense of Calvinism). Calvinists like to teach that CALVINISM IS THE GOSPEL. Yet, only the Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation. Such careless, wicked statements teach that ONLY CALVINISTS ARE SAVED. Think about this.
How can CALVINISM BE GOOD NEWS TO EVERY CREATURE? This is the WORST NEWS TO EVERY CREATURE POSSIBLE. You are all predamned, with no blood shed, and your nonexistent will won't be overthrown. GOOD NEWS?
Bookborn 3 years ago
Calvinists teach that TULIP IS THE GOSPEL! Reformed theologian Herman Hoeksema says:
"...for me the truth of the gospel and the Reformed faith are synonymous."Calvinist David Engelsma:"Calvinism is the Gospel. Its outstanding doctrines are simply the truths that make up the Gospel."Calvinist Arthur Constance:"Calvinism is the Gospel and to teach Calvinism is in fact to preach the Gospel. It is questionable whether a dogmatic theology which is not Calvinistic is truly Christian." Repent, TULIPS.
Bookborn 3 years ago
You're exactly right bookborn. Excellent. It is the worst news imaginable-that Christ only died for an extremely small number of people and that you are either born one of them or not. What a perversion of the love and justice of God! He is the Saviour of all men, specially of them that believe.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
Hey, Steve. This is me, Randy, from Roanoke, VA. We've been corresponding via email some. Still enjoying your site. Especially liked the Adam/Christ comparison and Catch Phrases and Jesus/Word comparison... Why are so many Calvinists so heady when the Bible says NOT MANY WISE AFTER THE FLESH ARE CALLED? Satan is wiser than Daniel and has come up with an intricate arrangement of lies (John 8:44)... Eccles. says God has put in our hearts to not know all His works the beginning from the end.
Bookborn 3 years ago
Ask Jesus for the answer to your question Bookborn. It seems that the words of our Lord in John 8:42-44 were not very GOOD NEWS to the creatures He spoke to.
Search the scriptures, bookborn, for in them ye think ye have eternal life. Read all verses that testify of Jesus, then speak truth and whole truth boldly. For now, your words look like hatespeak to me.
waynetoebe 3 years ago
wayne, John 8:42-44 is about them being of their Father the devil. The Gospel (glad tidings/good news) is to be preached to EVERY CREATURE. Jesus taught most go to hell (broad way & many). Is the good news to every creature that Christ DIED FOR THE ELECT'S SINS? Hatespeak? THE TRUTH IS HATE TO THOSE WHO HATE THE TRUTH. Dear Calvinists, when is the last time you stood on a stret corner, lifted up your voice like a trumpet, cried aloud and spared not, preaching the glorious gospel? Selah.
Bookborn 3 years ago
what is calvinisim
lifeofchangesforme 3 years ago
aha, pretty good, amen.
xylikiticatacoltyx 3 years ago
God is actually outside the picture when we are born. We are lost and spiritually dead anyway. Our will is there to obey or disobey. If we draw near to God the scriptures say He will draw near to us. Thatz the word speaking here. God will not make or compel us to act, only aid us with His help when we respond.
beyondcamp 3 years ago
No soul can bear the burden of another if it were true Jesus would not have said "Only those who endure to the end will be saved"
Bodhitharta 3 years ago
if you reject predestination, you believe that the ultimate source and foundation of salvation is man's choice, decision, and will. the Bible does not teach this.
prsguitarsr4me 3 years ago
Me thinks the Bible does teach exercising our will. F'instance to receive Christ must come from the individual. Even asking is an act of the will as our own spirit is subject to us as an individual. This verse is the result of what I am saying: "But as many as received him (Christ), to them gave he power to become the sons of God"! Howabout "If ye be willing and obedient" or "For if there be first a willing mind" or "in all things willing to live honestly" etc?
beyondcamp 3 years ago 2
All these verses are exhorting us to exercise our wills before the Lord.
beyondcamp 3 years ago
but our will, as humans, is to resist God and push him away, knowingly or unknowingly. We cannot and will not approach him without him pulling us in, or 'drawing' us in (john 6:44)
prsguitarsr4me 3 years ago
God is actually outside the picture when we are born. We are lost and spiritually dead anyway. Our will is there to obey or disobey. If we draw near to God the scriptures say He will draw near to us. Thatz the word speaking here. God will not make or compel us to act, only aid us with His help when we respond.
beyondcamp 3 years ago
Romans 3:11-12
John 6:44
KingJamesVideoMan, I'd be interested to see how you interpret these.
prsguitarsr4me 3 years ago
Also, KingJamesVideoMan is a little outgoing about condemning people in his videos here. Just because someone may preach this false gospel of Calvinism they are not saved? I don't think so! If someone has honestly repented to Christ and become changed or 'reborn' etc, if they may misunderstand one slight thing from scripture, they are still saved. Having a misunderstood view of, basically, predestination doesn't condemn one to hell. Be careful with making false claims, KingJamesVideoMan.
prsguitarsr4me 3 years ago
If you paid attention to all three videos, I specifically made the point that just because you believe Calvinism doesn't mean you're lost. I said if you come to Christ initially and believe the Calvinist gospel, you are believing another gospel for your salvation and cannot be saved. I said you can believe in Calvinism after getting saved and you are deceived, not lost.
KingJamesVideoMan 3 years ago
The chosen are those who are IN CHRIST even though Jesus died for ALL.
beyondcamp 3 years ago
I agree with what you're saying but what is your opinion on predestination?
theheat151 3 years ago
Again fantasitic! Great word and awesome way to convey the Holy Spirits Revelations to you!
thevinerhyme 3 years ago 2
Irrefutable all right Steve ... Saviour of ALL men ... both the believer and unbeliever! It is there written very clearly in black and white! How can a person be so blind, unless they don't wont to see?
beyondcamp 3 years ago
for beliver and non-believer? if that is the case, what is the point of repenting???? Why follow Christ if he died for you and you are all set anyway? this is not true, obviously. You must repent to Christ to receive this gift, even though you still don't deserve it, and in God's eyes, you are still a sinner as is everyone, but you have repented, so you are saved.
prsguitarsr4me 3 years ago
Sure you must repent prsguitarsr4me ! Thatz the problem with Calvinism. If you are chosen whatz the point? The gospel is that Jesus tasted death for EVERY man (ALL) but only those who RECEIVE Christ receive the gift of eternal life and become a son of God
beyondcamp 3 years ago
thanks for the reply - i'm glad i wasn't missing something big there! I think the only reason the 'only a select few' idea exists is because while, yes, we must repent, since God is all knowing, and the reference of 'time' that our universe uses doesn't apply to God, He already knows the future, and who will repent and won't.
prsguitarsr4me 3 years ago
Amen! And He does mention the way be narrow and few who find it, as well as mentioning His little flock.
beyondcamp 3 years ago
how does Calvinism contradict this? to say that God doesn't already know who is to be saved is to say that He isn't all knowing. it makes no sense to say that predestination doesn't exist.
prsguitarsr4me 3 years ago
I'm not interested in what Calvin says. I don't follow him but Jesus and I am only interested in what the word says. Like me and you, Calvin can be right and wrong as he WAS just a man.
beyondcamp 3 years ago 2
well let's get real about this: Calvin barely said anything about predestination - it is all afterward and in the 5 points that it is mentioned. that aside, I'm not quoting Calvin or Calvinism, I'm quoting the Bible.
prsguitarsr4me 3 years ago
Great Mike! You can't go wrong then. Let us continue to be word based, cross centred and Holy Ghost dependant. God bless, Tom.
beyondcamp 3 years ago
Right back at ya, Tom. Bottom line is that we follow the Bible and Christ. God bless
prsguitarsr4me 3 years ago
Amen. Calvinism actually has nothing to do with Calvin, yet everything to do with hte bible.
Oct31st1517 3 years ago