Obama Health Care Portsmouth NH Town Hall Meeting

[nickobot01]

Page 16 is talking about the limitation of the Grandfather insurance coverage clause. And it's telling us the terms on which the Grandfather clause can be applied to someone... That isn't saying anything about forcing people to get onto federal health insurance. The quote you actually took was an exception to the limitation on why the Grandfather clause would apply to someone who can't receive insurance. That's the whole point.

[MaddMikietoo]

Exactly. But the Grandfathered coverage is the coverage you have NOW. And, as Obama says ad nauseum, you can keep it. But if the heath insurance companies cannot enroll anyone else in it... as stated... it exists for you only until you wish to change it, or circumstances dictate a change. Then, its gone... and you get to enjoy a new heavily defined and regulated offering from any still existing insurance company... or a similar offering under the Public Option.

[MaddMikietoo]

So... as an Ins Co. you find... no new policies like the present ones, Uncle regulating every move (admin costs going through the roof), Uncle killing you on the cost side (he doesnt have to make money AND he has an endless supply of taxpayer/printing press dollars.) Why would you have to actually legislate forcing people into federal health insurance? In a year or three youll have the only game in town. No matter. Americans are killing it. Sept. 12 is the coup de grace. Bring your petard.

[nickobot01]

Post the link please.

[MaddMikietoo]

For some reason, YouTube wont let me post a link. I recommend that you google H.R. 3200.

By the way, Obamas snarky comments in Portsmouth not withstanding, the Senate just dropped the Pull the Plug on Grandma section in their version of the bill. Thank you Sarah Palin.

[nickobot01]

"Likely" meaning it will be subsidized by tax payers.

Health-care insurance companies don't compete, c'mon you know this hasn't been the case. Oligopoly was meant for the private insurers as they have more to benefit to work together than to work in competition. That's like saying movie theater companies compete at price reduction. Public option doesn't automatically evolve into monopoly. By definition option means you have a chose.

[nickobot01]

Sorry... Choice is the correct spelling.

[MaddMikietoo]

Americans don't want to pay for the healthcare of Jethro, Julio and Shaqueena.

Choice? Read lines 11-16 on page 16 of the Healthcare Bill being debated right now in Congress: (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.— (A) IN GENERAL. — Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.

How that for competing?

[nickobot01]

It is likely that the public insurance would need funding from a federal tax fund, but to say that would stop competition is ironic. Right now health-care companies compete little if not at all with each other. Perhaps this why are rates are so high and we still have a ever growing uninsured population. In Economic terms, we have an oligopoly.

[MaddMikietoo]

Likely? By definition (government run) it requires taxpayer money. What would Obama do? An IPO?

Healthcare (insurance) companies compete with one another. The hundreds of public companies are all conspiring as an oligopoly? Controling supply? Cmon. If a Public Option wouldnt stiffle competition, consider competing against a company that has endless funding (taxpayer money) and at the same time it regulates you. Oligopoly? A Public Option would evolve into a pure monopoly.