Hahaha about 2 years ago I watched this video and noticed hella people arguing on the comments, I came to see it again today and still the same crap! Lol so silly
@chrisstevensjunior Bel Canto is actually very similar to modern vocal technique, which many power metal singers use. It basically uses the idea of three different vocal registers: Chest, mix, and head voice.
@chrisstevensjunior Alright, here are the three vocal registers: If you talk, or sing on the same level as your speaking voice, that's chest. Just say, "Laaaa" without going up or down. Just SAY 'la," but draw it out. You are in your chest voice.
Now, talk like Elmo, or MIckey Mouse, or do a really bad fake girl voice. That's falsetto. Head voice is very similar to that. (Power Metal singers, and singers like Rob Halferd; the high register is head voice)
@chrisstevensjunior I was only attempting to explain vocal registers. ANYONE can sing (provided his voice has a decent timbre and he has some modicum of musical talent).
@chrisstevensjunior bel canto is not very similar to modern technique at all... that dude is completely wrong.. real bel canto never used registral divisions...
@AtariMaxiToriyama what a fail... the greatest opera singers never talked about that shit which is completely bad and will never produce a real opera sound.... the greatest just used one register singing... Caruso, gigli, etc etc.
@124235346 Ever notice that, they spend all of their lives training to hit the perfect C5, and even then, many of the singers have a rather high-pitched C5?
It's cause they're shifting into a very low head voice, that is very covered to give the operatic sound.
@124235346 I love how people think that they use nothing but chest voice. That means when I'm able to sing really well, I'll be able to say, "No, dude, I'm not using chest. Those high notes are head voice/mix."
@124235346 I love how people my phrases but use different context in an attempt to be clever.
Anyway, it doesn't matter if the tenors themselves talk about it. How many artists talk about the technicality of their singing, to the point of discussing head and chest voice?
@AtariMaxiToriyama i love how you epicly fail at deducing things...i actually said that to make fun of u... oh and i love how u dont know a shit of what youre talkin about. who told you that ridiculous thing about mixed voice? brett manning? seth riggs? lol..
@124235346 Wait, what? I said you were using my phrase in a different context in an attempt to be clever. Did I really have to be specific, and explain exactly in what way you were attempting to be clever for you to understand me?
Why am I attempting to have an intellectual conversation with someone who uses the word "epic" in entirely inappropriate situations?
We could play the personal attack game from now until we're both ready to lay in our graves but I believe I will not. Good day.
@AtariMaxiToriyama lol wtf u r pretty retarded brah, u were tha one who deviated the discussion to pointless shit. anyway the only one who could have benefited from the discussion were u cos u were completely wrong about whut ya were sayin. bye
Yes, that aria is "Angiol di pace" When the 3 appeared together at "Live at Lincoln Center" Horne and Sutherland pressured Pavorotti to have only one encore. He chose "Angiol di pace." Believe me when I tell you, it bought the house down.!! Its on the Album made from that performance.
Thank you so much for sharing this incredible video.
To see and hear one of the greatest tenors not only talking about the importance of covering certain notes (talking is easy !!), but actually DOING IT, showing us one of the most important aspects of classic opera singing technique for the male voice - it's really magic.
Per i non anglofoni sarebbe utile una sottotitolatura per comprendere la coversazione di questi due gradissimi artisti : "the big" Luciano e la preziosa Joan da poco volata nel regno dei Più.
Ci sarà qualche poliglotta che vorrà divertrisi a tradurre questi dialoghi ? Ho inviidiato tanto il nostro "maestro" nella spedita comunicazione in lingua d'Albione !
Per i non anglofoni sarebbe utile una sottotitolatura per comprendere la coversazione di questi due gradissimi artisti : "the big" Luciano e la preziosa Joan da poco volata nel regno dei Più.
Ci sarà qualche poliglotta che vorrà divertrisi a tradurre questi dialoghi ? Ho inviidiato tanto il nostro "maestro" nella spedita comunicazione in lingua d'Albione !
@core9204 I am new to opera-too late to appreciate Luciano except through his dvd's and cds. A shame, I really like his way of singing. Are there any other "current" Bel Canto tenors?
@SueAnnNivens Exact, In the opera, it's a trio. The melody was first a beautiful small chamber duet and Bellini used it again for his opera developing it in a trio.
The latest comment was stupid. The interviewer is an elitist, not the singers.
I wishe two things. That male tenorns didn't had their range limited by opera standards and the Pavarotti had face a real challenging singer like Freddy Mercury or Bruce Dickinson .
They sing Bel Canto repertoire but not true Bel Canto style. They never knew and never will know the true art. It has been overshadowed by science and complexity. They trained to imitate nature when all they had to do was think and be natural. The secret is so simple but the hardest to come to terms with. The true art lies not in the sound of your voice but the use of it - in its simplest form. Search for 'Tito Schipa Teaches'. Now that video is one that all students and teachers should watch.
@RossiniSoprano Yes - crazy isn't it!! Caruso, Schipa, Tetrazzini, Vallin, McCormack, Pertile, Bjorling, Stigniani (to name but a few) must also be crazy! These singers learned the true art which is based on the natural use of the voice. No offence, but your comment is naive. I listened to you sing on your channel and although you have a fine instrument and obviously a good knowledge of repertoire it confirms to me that you sing from the sound of your voice. Your singing is not true.
@ChristopherSPedersen I have the same problem: can't stay away from theese voices more than a day. Their elegance, professional and competence is a real treasure. I love them.
My name is Tifton Grave and I am professor of voice and director opera at Wilberforce University. Could you please tell me where I can get a copy of this wonderful video? Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for having posted this Video about the art of Belcanto. Through Maria Stader i myself have become legal successor of the 'Genealogical Tree of Belcanto since 1659', a non interrupted line of teaching from Master to Student which you can follow back until to the founder of the Art of Belcanto, the Castrato Pistocchi, of whom Richard Bonynge was speaking in your Video. You'll find it on w.persuonare.ch under 'Stammbaum des Belcanto'.
All three of these once in a lifetime singers did their best work after being exposed to Richard Bonynge. Is that just coincidence (I don't think so) or was he a great great coach who knew how to impart the mysteries of singing in certain styles. He is so rarely given his due.
Well, from all the different styles to sing 2.passago this video made me finally choose to train this "cover your voice" technique. I'm lucky that i have found italian type of teacher. This demanding covering your voice isn't in fashion in German style of singing. Maybe thats why there aren't many very-good german singers these days. Interesting
Wonderful! I learned more from them in those 4 minutes than many of todays artist would ever be able to teach me in their lifetimes! And what Bonynge said (though I am not fond of him as a conductor...not at all!) IS very true: it takes a lifetime to even start to comprehend bel canto and comunicate it to the people. Only a few gifted people mastered it while young, Ponselle & Callas being the clearest examples...
@agnellodei TOtally agree !!! For me too ... Imagine, we're having a masterclass with these 4 big monsters of bel canto ... Wow, i'm totally honored, don't you ???
I'm so grateful for the fabulous bel canto singers like Sutherland and Horne. I am starting to pick things up from them via hours of listening to them
Is bel canto taught today ?It's very rare. Maybe in Europe. But here in the US opera singers study the operas that sell in today's US companies - Puccini, Verdi, Wagner. They always do "Lucia" but that seems to it...bel canto is getting less and less exposure. In Callas, Sutherland, Caballe and Sills time - the 50's, 60's and 70's, there was an overflow of bel canto opera...not anymore :(
Is being taught by few people who continue this great tradition!!! But it needs patient students also...after all Pavarotti himself says he needed 10 years to produce the proper sound!!!
Trust me I have studied it in the past for about 2 years and got nowhere. Right now I am studying with a classical teacher and I have learnt how to open up my voice better with no squeeze in the throat.
Well your teacher obviously had some sort of classical training in the past if she was an opera singer. That is why she emphasizes on breath support and avoiding resonating in the throat. I never said your teacher was bad or her technique but the SLS technique is not complete, it lacks a few things.
She is probably teaching you the good things about SLS and adding a bit of classical technique in there, that should be fine.
SLS is good but its not complete, it lacks a lot of things.
check out kim josephson singing "eri tu" and "pari siamo". he is the only modern baritone who uses the bel canto style. he was a student of michail trimble. bonynge hired 10 students of trimble for the cast of the mignon cast in vancouver, , b.c. that is a very good approval for a teacher of the bel canto style.
the greatest exponents of bel canto on recordings are mattia battistini, fernando de lucia, and adelina patti. later, tito schipa. caruso and ponselle were the best voices. then come flagstag , galli-curci, tetrazzini, and jose mardones.
Although the above 3 possessed great facility they could not sing bel canto as their singing voices were manufactured. Singing from 'the sound of your voice' perspective will never achieve freedom vocally, which is what Bel Canto is all about and it applies to all genres. The pop artist mentioned can repair the damage by seeking out the right Bel Canto tutor which is extremely hard. Sadly, she is in a catch 22 situation, as, for her to study Bel Canto, she would have to stop singing publicly.
The trick is to sing naturally with what your voice sounds like naturally and then over time, as it ages and matures, it can increase in its flexibility and strength. But so long as you never rush or push it, because otherwise, your voice will give out. A prime example of healthy and natural beautiful singing was that of Enrico Caruso and Rosa Ponselle.
Yes, they are good examples. IMO John McCormack and Luisa Tetrazzini were the best recorded exponents of Bel Canto style. Caruso and McCormack indeed met sometimes to discuss their art.
Colino, Caruso didn't force his voice, - his voice was freely produced. At the end of the aria La Donna E Mobile, Caruso performs a rapid bel canto cadenza under full power that has only been equalled in agility by Bjorling & Tauber. You cannot perform such feats of agility if the voice is being driven or forced. What in fact caused his vocal nodules was smoking between 80 & 100 strong unfiltered cigarettes a day!
Enrico Caruso never had throat nodules, however you were correct about the rest. He did however have surgery in the last year of his life due to a condition called purulent pluerisy and it was caused by an untreated pnuemonia and then compounded by an injury he sustained in "Samson et Delilah"
Well, the ciggies sure wouldn't help. Now, I am trying to remember the author and book title where his forcing/cracking was discussed. Quite an old book, and the author commented on being disappointed that the live Caruso (at the Met, I think), was not up to scratch of the recorded Caruso.
Of course, it could have been a bad night, illness, whatever. The voice is not a violin, afterall.
If I can get the name of the book/author, I'll post it. I can't speak first hand, of course!
why are people talking about pop singers when the video is concerning 3 of the most influential and best opera singers of ALL TIME?!! who gives a crap about whitney here!?
i was actually on a whitney houston forum and one of the more knowledgable members wanted her to study the belt canto technique as she strengthens her voice for her huge comeback and album release sept 1st. he also said that whitney was never trainined in sls and developed her technique herself
i just WANT you to aknowledge that whitney had great technique for a pop singer with next to no formal training, she learnt everything in the black church and popular mainstream artists when she was young............... if you went to any church you;d go crazy thinking all these powerful singers have terrible technqiue as you hear then singing with all these runs and inflections and the church growl...... you'd prob think they were strainning and terrible breath control
Whitney did have a good technique but it still was not the best technique, she could have learnt a different technique that would have protected her voice even further.
also take into consideration that alot of pop singers sing with slightly more chest voice then classically trained singers ie elaine paige..... the chest voice does'nt sound as clear and pure as head voice and high mixed voice near to her head voice was where elain paige belted in memories, that note in the climax could'nt had been higher then A4.
B4 she belts from the back of her throat..... she does this because it increases her belting range and lengthens her passagio....... also note that from B4-G5 her belts dont weaken in power at all and she's able to sustain a G5 very well but at the cost of messing up her throat.....nowadays she cant move her neck when singing its almost immobile when singing, that compounded with the misuse of superhead voice has f ked her voice
i mean he instead of her......pavarotti was not a female LOL.........
singers in pop that are known for their vocals that have terrible technique( not near perfect techniue like whitney ) are christina aguilera and mariah carey..... they both belt in this terrible mixed voice but doing it horribly..... christina's is so forced and scartchy whereas mariah is a range queen who has to show how high or low she can go in every register including her chest/mix register..... from about
Mariah is a singer that shows off her range, but now look at what it got her to. She belted too much and little protection, she went all the way up into her whistle register from a closed throat technique. Her speaking voice is very bad now, too hoarse and raspy.
I am a male and when I was studying SLS I went all the way up to male whistle register but felt like my throat is squeezed. I now understand that this is the wrong approach.
pop singers use more chest voice when singing when compared to classical singers.... whitney was the rare expetion that used an exeptional amount of chest voice........ listen to pavarottis high C's and any other tenor and they have more " rasp" then whitney........did you listen to whitney singing opera with pavarotti
her was still the best tenor of the 20th century. but comparing classical/opera/musical technique to pop/soul/funk/rock/jazz is'nt smart because its such a different way of singing...... there are singers like whitney who in your opinion has sung almost perfectly to a classical standpoint but there always going to be problems that you see in a pop singers voice like mistaking strain in a church growl to actually strain and vocal discoomfort
If you have good technique you can sing anything. So its doesn't matter if you learn technique from a classical teacher or a contemporary teacher, if the technique taught is healthy then this is good enough to sing pop, rock, jazz, opera.
i agree but classical technique or looking at technique through a classical lense is'nt always smart because you have to consider adapations and styles in each genre when being critical about a singers technique. namely you, you said whitny sounded strained and you gave me a time where she sounded trainined, i listened to that note and was confused why you said that because she sounded normal or even clearer then most pop/soul singers....
Actually no, Pavarotti was not the best tenor of the 20th century. Listen to Enrico Caruso, Jussi Bjorling, Alfredo Kraus + more. If you actually listen to opera you will notice that Pavarotti was average compared to singers of the past.
its not really about her.... more so the amount of attention that was put on her and that never been kissed before thing. i hate how this show hypes up reg singers like paul potts and susan boyle
technically elain is great but I feel that she's safe......id put shirley bassey, streisand and dionne warwick( whitney's fist cousin) ahead of her. she lacks the power of alot of singers that list included. the only thing she has over alot of singers is clarity and little vocal decline but those singers on the list belted it out and still have most of their voices left. plus elain does'nt really belt from her chest like say shirley bassey and whitney
elain pages belt was also really close to her head voice plus her tone is naturally more clearer......... you prob notice that black women in opera the leotnne prices and jessye normans have much richers voice then their white counterparts. but let me ask you, could whitney at a early age and after years of training been a opera/classical singer and be as succesful as the genre thats she in presently?????
And do you know what, I don't agree with either of these techniques to be healthy because it requires you to lower the larynx by depressing the root of the tongue, the only other way of lowering is by yawning the larynx down which is much more healthier because this way the tongue is not used and does not cause any pain.
I just want to pose this question again to you, based on whitneys voice in her prime, was she using sls when she was never a mixer and sang in predomintely chest voice?????
well she used more chest then head in her comfort range A4-Eb5, the ratio was'nt 50/50 chest to head..... all I know, is that she never had a voice coach in her youth and prime........ listen to whitney houston rendition of " home" from the wiz of oz or " i am changing " from dreamgirls
I think Whitney's chest voice was really powerful, this is why she never completely mixed 50/50. Her speaking voice was quite high this is why she could sing very high in her chest or chesty mix.
I watched that video of Whitney singing saving all my love on letterman and I have to say that she sang it almost perfect.
Only problems was she moves her jaw a lot when she does the vibrato and that is not a healthy thing to do. Vibrato does not come from shaking the jaw.
There was less squeeze in the voice than the other performance she done and she covered her voice really well, meaning she used vowel modification to reach higher notes and used good breathing for belting out some notes.
iv noticed that her jaw sometimes moves when she add vibrato...... hows leona lewis vibrato because she added alot in all her x factor performances. check out whitneys " did'nt we almost have it all " its the one wheres she singing out side in almost below O weather in a leather jacket
Leona does shake her jaw when she sings with vibrato. Its similar to Whitney.
That video of Whitney when she was singing 'Didn't we almost have it all'. Well I thought she was a bit throaty. You can hear her going a bit raspy when she done that belt at 1.58.
Like I said about Whitney, her technique is not 100% perfect.
Listen to Elaine Paige - memory. One part of the song she belts out very loudly but her voice sounded crystal clear and didn't sound raspy.
whitney sounded great and any rasp that you heard was for dramatic effect..... also take into consideration whitneys roots, she was raied in the black church in new jersey..... you can hear the chruch growl when in some of her runs and belts. plus it was almost below zero outside when she sung that.
elain paige sounds but i dont think she compares to whitney in terms of versatility..... elain paige IMO is somwwhat of a dull theatrical singer
it was outside at night and the temp was hovering around freezing in a cold new york winter night and it was inbetween her tour. more importantly, you have to adjust your perspective to regognize that other genres have different techqniues, you cant use classical techniques for everything..... you can sure as hell try but in whitneys case her technique in her prime was amazing for a pop/soul singer........ remember that she adds raps and growls for dramatic effect
SLS teachers you to sing in mix with very little chest...... and how can you say whitney was taught this when she has the most well rounded chesty belt in pop music????
Wonderful! Thank you for Posting!
SingerForLife3000 1 week ago
Pavarotti: what a disappointing speaking voice :)
mwakin2 1 week ago
ITA PROBABLY TAKE A TEN-A YEARS TO MAKE-A SOUND-A LIKE-A DAT
cccorsetti 1 month ago
So valuable! Thanks so much for sharing.
welshpollypanad 1 month ago
Thank you so much for sharing :)
mexicangirl18 3 months ago
Hahaha about 2 years ago I watched this video and noticed hella people arguing on the comments, I came to see it again today and still the same crap! Lol so silly
danto6 3 months ago
what is exactly bel canto? im new to this..
chrisstevensjunior 4 months ago
@chrisstevensjunior Bel Canto is actually very similar to modern vocal technique, which many power metal singers use. It basically uses the idea of three different vocal registers: Chest, mix, and head voice.
AtariMaxiToriyama 4 months ago
@AtariMaxiToriyama hmm need an example cuz i still dont get it lol
chrisstevensjunior 4 months ago
@chrisstevensjunior Alright, here are the three vocal registers: If you talk, or sing on the same level as your speaking voice, that's chest. Just say, "Laaaa" without going up or down. Just SAY 'la," but draw it out. You are in your chest voice.
Now, talk like Elmo, or MIckey Mouse, or do a really bad fake girl voice. That's falsetto. Head voice is very similar to that. (Power Metal singers, and singers like Rob Halferd; the high register is head voice)
Mix is in between your head and chest.
AtariMaxiToriyama 4 months ago
@AtariMaxiToriyama oh i can do girly very girly a little though but how come some people are good to sing bel canto and others dont?
chrisstevensjunior 4 months ago
@chrisstevensjunior I was only attempting to explain vocal registers. ANYONE can sing (provided his voice has a decent timbre and he has some modicum of musical talent).
AtariMaxiToriyama 4 months ago
@chrisstevensjunior bel canto is not very similar to modern technique at all... that dude is completely wrong.. real bel canto never used registral divisions...
124235346 4 months ago
@124235346 how can i tell who's right?
chrisstevensjunior 4 months ago
@chrisstevensjunior evidence! the greatest tenors are the proof :)
124235346 4 months ago
@AtariMaxiToriyama what a fail... the greatest opera singers never talked about that shit which is completely bad and will never produce a real opera sound.... the greatest just used one register singing... Caruso, gigli, etc etc.
124235346 4 months ago
@124235346 Ever notice that, they spend all of their lives training to hit the perfect C5, and even then, many of the singers have a rather high-pitched C5?
It's cause they're shifting into a very low head voice, that is very covered to give the operatic sound.
AtariMaxiToriyama 4 months ago
@AtariMaxiToriyama no bro thats completely wrong... i dunno who told u that..
124235346 4 months ago
@124235346 I love how people think that they use nothing but chest voice. That means when I'm able to sing really well, I'll be able to say, "No, dude, I'm not using chest. Those high notes are head voice/mix."
AtariMaxiToriyama 3 months ago
@AtariMaxiToriyama i love how people believe in register divisions even when the greatest tenors said never talked about head voice or mixed voice.
124235346 3 months ago
@124235346 I love how people my phrases but use different context in an attempt to be clever.
Anyway, it doesn't matter if the tenors themselves talk about it. How many artists talk about the technicality of their singing, to the point of discussing head and chest voice?
AtariMaxiToriyama 3 months ago
@AtariMaxiToriyama i love how you epicly fail at deducing things...i actually said that to make fun of u... oh and i love how u dont know a shit of what youre talkin about. who told you that ridiculous thing about mixed voice? brett manning? seth riggs? lol..
124235346 3 months ago
@124235346 Wait, what? I said you were using my phrase in a different context in an attempt to be clever. Did I really have to be specific, and explain exactly in what way you were attempting to be clever for you to understand me?
Why am I attempting to have an intellectual conversation with someone who uses the word "epic" in entirely inappropriate situations?
We could play the personal attack game from now until we're both ready to lay in our graves but I believe I will not. Good day.
AtariMaxiToriyama 3 months ago
@AtariMaxiToriyama lol wtf u r pretty retarded brah, u were tha one who deviated the discussion to pointless shit. anyway the only one who could have benefited from the discussion were u cos u were completely wrong about whut ya were sayin. bye
124235346 3 months ago
richard bonygne talks to much
cccorsetti 4 months ago
This stupid Britard has such a stupid look on his face-and his haircut can't get him laid to save his life.
sooofunny37 4 months ago
Grazie , quattro grandi del bel canto degli anni '70!!
MrPipposiculo 4 months ago
Found some great singing tips, so I wanted to share with you, since it works for me bestsingingtechnique.webs.com
kapalutas 5 months ago
Her face at 5:12 is terrifying
Sodhats 6 months ago
Joan is BUILT to sing! Her sound must come out with EASE!
dappling484 6 months ago
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
LadyKeane27 6 months ago
Yes, that aria is "Angiol di pace" When the 3 appeared together at "Live at Lincoln Center" Horne and Sutherland pressured Pavorotti to have only one encore. He chose "Angiol di pace." Believe me when I tell you, it bought the house down.!! Its on the Album made from that performance.
765eliza 8 months ago
@4:53 lololol
Kill3rBNC 8 months ago
it's ironic how horne is the mezzo and sutherland the soprano, yet Marilyn Horne's personality is 10X more diva
raigekimaru 9 months ago
the audio on this one is too low.......Im literally standing with my head right next to the speakers........even the video is not of great quality
srinivaskari 9 months ago
Thank you so much for sharing this incredible video.
To see and hear one of the greatest tenors not only talking about the importance of covering certain notes (talking is easy !!), but actually DOING IT, showing us one of the most important aspects of classic opera singing technique for the male voice - it's really magic.
nordictenor 9 months ago
If you are honestly seeking the truth in singing then please search for the:
'Bel Canto Ireland' channel.
If it interests you then please subscribe, as there will be more videos becoming available.
If you honestly wish to embrace this then you must throw out any perceptions you already have on how to sing.
I understand the opinions of people as I was there once, but understand that this comes from someone who has the greatest respect for the art.
AmhranaiAlainn 10 months ago
I have a great deal of admiration for Maestro Bonynge, whom we had the privilege to meet and work with in london.
SandrineSoprano 11 months ago
so much food :)
jradetzky 11 months ago
What year was this??
emma41093 1 year ago
@emma41093 I'd guess around 1977 judging from JS's voice and RB's hair.
CaptFitzbattleaxe 1 year ago 2
@CaptFitzbattleaxe close, I just figured out it was 1979 (i think)
emma41093 1 year ago
When Richard Bonynge makes the comment about the human voice being the most beautiful instrument, he looks straight at his wife. =)
CaptFitzbattleaxe 1 year ago 3
@CaptFitzbattleaxe Awwww..... =D
emma41093 1 year ago
LOL, " I'm happy to say we don't cut off guys' um... cajones to make them sing beautifully anymore"--- Yikes, me too!!!
roundedges2 1 year ago
Pavarotti is the god here, the others are his prophets!
Stingerfyle 1 year ago
Che simpatico convivio : Luciano, Sutherland, Marylin Horne e Boninge ! C'è una ricerca di valori musicali assoluti.
ndilanda 1 year ago
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Per i non anglofoni sarebbe utile una sottotitolatura per comprendere la coversazione di questi due gradissimi artisti : "the big" Luciano e la preziosa Joan da poco volata nel regno dei Più.
Ci sarà qualche poliglotta che vorrà divertrisi a tradurre questi dialoghi ? Ho inviidiato tanto il nostro "maestro" nella spedita comunicazione in lingua d'Albione !
ndilanda 1 year ago
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Per i non anglofoni sarebbe utile una sottotitolatura per comprendere la coversazione di questi due gradissimi artisti : "the big" Luciano e la preziosa Joan da poco volata nel regno dei Più.
Ci sarà qualche poliglotta che vorrà divertrisi a tradurre questi dialoghi ? Ho inviidiato tanto il nostro "maestro" nella spedita comunicazione in lingua d'Albione !
ndilanda 1 year ago
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ndilanda 1 year ago
Every body can you please check the music out on the page. Its deeply appreciated 15 year old artist
LUmartunedude 1 year ago
I love these two clips,.what a treasure!! Now, Joan as Luciano has passed on....what a great loss.
core9204 1 year ago
@core9204 I am new to opera-too late to appreciate Luciano except through his dvd's and cds. A shame, I really like his way of singing. Are there any other "current" Bel Canto tenors?
459alot 1 year ago
@459alot Lawrence Brownlee
susuemikado 1 year ago
@459alot Only Juan DIego Florez somewhat from decent current ones. You might also like young Domingo, Di Stefano, Rockwell Blake.
trumansf 1 year ago
15 Justin Beiber fans must have seen this video and disliked it. . .
Polytes1 1 year ago 7
Whats' the name of the song Pavarotti sings at 6:22? Thank you.
cocoloco2001 1 year ago
@cocoloco2001 If I am not mistaken, I think it´s the "Angiol di pace" by Bellini, from Beatrice di Tenda.
SueAnnNivens 1 year ago 8
@SueAnnNivens Exact, In the opera, it's a trio. The melody was first a beautiful small chamber duet and Bellini used it again for his opera developing it in a trio.
bpicaud1 1 year ago
@SueAnnNivens you are right
jeanpaul20012 1 year ago
@SueAnnNivens That's a stunning piece. I hadn't heard it before. Thank you.
tneprescintr 11 months ago
They did all this relaxed talking and singing and teaching during an INTERMISSION of another concert? Talk about chops, people!
sopranosd 1 year ago
The latest comment was stupid. The interviewer is an elitist, not the singers.
I wishe two things. That male tenorns didn't had their range limited by opera standards and the Pavarotti had face a real challenging singer like Freddy Mercury or Bruce Dickinson .
einarabelc5 1 year ago
They sing Bel Canto repertoire but not true Bel Canto style. They never knew and never will know the true art. It has been overshadowed by science and complexity. They trained to imitate nature when all they had to do was think and be natural. The secret is so simple but the hardest to come to terms with. The true art lies not in the sound of your voice but the use of it - in its simplest form. Search for 'Tito Schipa Teaches'. Now that video is one that all students and teachers should watch.
AmhranaiAlainn 1 year ago
@AmhranaiAlainn This may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen written about these three singers EVER!
RossiniSoprano 1 year ago
@RossiniSoprano Yes - crazy isn't it!! Caruso, Schipa, Tetrazzini, Vallin, McCormack, Pertile, Bjorling, Stigniani (to name but a few) must also be crazy! These singers learned the true art which is based on the natural use of the voice. No offence, but your comment is naive. I listened to you sing on your channel and although you have a fine instrument and obviously a good knowledge of repertoire it confirms to me that you sing from the sound of your voice. Your singing is not true.
AmhranaiAlainn 1 year ago
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einarabelc5 1 year ago
Im happy the way this video ended with the whole voice being "the most glorious of all instruments" :)
gerardoledesma86 1 year ago
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classicalmusic1000 1 year ago
I can watch theese two videoes over and over again. Thank you so much for posting. This really is inspiring!
ChristopherSPedersen 1 year ago
@ChristopherSPedersen I have the same problem: can't stay away from theese voices more than a day. Their elegance, professional and competence is a real treasure. I love them.
zoetta74 1 year ago
My name is Tifton Grave and I am professor of voice and director opera at Wilberforce University. Could you please tell me where I can get a copy of this wonderful video? Thank you so much.
tenortifton 1 year ago
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Thank you so much for having posted this Video about the art of Belcanto. Through Maria Stader i myself have become legal successor of the 'Genealogical Tree of Belcanto since 1659', a non interrupted line of teaching from Master to Student which you can follow back until to the founder of the Art of Belcanto, the Castrato Pistocchi, of whom Richard Bonynge was speaking in your Video. You'll find it on w.persuonare.ch under 'Stammbaum des Belcanto'.
brunosilvershadow 1 year ago
All three of these once in a lifetime singers did their best work after being exposed to Richard Bonynge. Is that just coincidence (I don't think so) or was he a great great coach who knew how to impart the mysteries of singing in certain styles. He is so rarely given his due.
Snowydog123 1 year ago
singing is a doing word!
MooreMelodies1 1 year ago
Marilyn Horne is a goddess and Joan Sutherland goes beyond legend. this is a treasure.
JaredPaul54 1 year ago
Neato. I remember seeing this half-awake at 3am on the Classical Arts Station years ago.
madsketcher 1 year ago
Well, from all the different styles to sing 2.passago this video made me finally choose to train this "cover your voice" technique. I'm lucky that i have found italian type of teacher. This demanding covering your voice isn't in fashion in German style of singing. Maybe thats why there aren't many very-good german singers these days. Interesting
CAMELEONTS 1 year ago
Wonderful! I learned more from them in those 4 minutes than many of todays artist would ever be able to teach me in their lifetimes! And what Bonynge said (though I am not fond of him as a conductor...not at all!) IS very true: it takes a lifetime to even start to comprehend bel canto and comunicate it to the people. Only a few gifted people mastered it while young, Ponselle & Callas being the clearest examples...
AOG93 1 year ago
They are all wonderful :D
konigdernacht 1 year ago
omg...horne is so fantastic
nvshm 1 year ago
@agnellodei TOtally agree !!! For me too ... Imagine, we're having a masterclass with these 4 big monsters of bel canto ... Wow, i'm totally honored, don't you ???
lucianapb10 1 year ago
Yes, Ishkaprielian, it is Angiol di Pace by Bellini.
TinaBallas 1 year ago
@TinaBallas
Tina, I thank you for that song name, I love it.
ishkaprielian 1 year ago
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[Please, does any one knows what song Pavarotti is singing that legato line?]
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It's a scale. It's not from a piece of music, he's just singing a scale.
LittleMrSong 1 year ago
"Now that sound sounds quite simple. It would probably take 10 years to make a sound like that."
XD Oh Pavarotti, you were and are the greatest.
sukoutoshindo 1 year ago 2
Please, does any one knows what song Pavarotti is singing that legato line?
ishkaprielian 1 year ago
I'm so grateful for the fabulous bel canto singers like Sutherland and Horne. I am starting to pick things up from them via hours of listening to them
raigekimaru 1 year ago
Is this a documentary or something?
Where could I get the whole thing?
jinjh1 1 year ago
i would also LOVE to know how to get the whole thing!!????!
jcrist7 1 year ago
@jcrist7 This was an intermission in one of their broadcasted performances and unfortunately this is all that they aired (along with part 2).
Honken 1 year ago
Muchas gracias!!!/ thanks
PedrOValerA92 1 year ago
casta diva?
guillermojuan 1 year ago
what is the song you hear at the minute 7:06 , in the piano???/ cual es la canción que se oye en el minuto 7:06 en el piano???
PedrOValerA92 1 year ago
casta diva.
tneprescintr 1 year ago
Casta Diva from Norma
scotsw12 1 year ago
That lady had some amazing low notes.
cryozo 2 years ago
Great stuff.
Englishtenor2 2 years ago
Where did you get this from? is this on a dvd somewhere?
marzanjp1 2 years ago
Is bel canto taught today ?It's very rare. Maybe in Europe. But here in the US opera singers study the operas that sell in today's US companies - Puccini, Verdi, Wagner. They always do "Lucia" but that seems to it...bel canto is getting less and less exposure. In Callas, Sutherland, Caballe and Sills time - the 50's, 60's and 70's, there was an overflow of bel canto opera...not anymore :(
MastersoftheOpera 2 years ago
Is being taught by few people who continue this great tradition!!! But it needs patient students also...after all Pavarotti himself says he needed 10 years to produce the proper sound!!!
nikol1981 2 years ago
Trust me I have studied it in the past for about 2 years and got nowhere. Right now I am studying with a classical teacher and I have learnt how to open up my voice better with no squeeze in the throat.
aminul1984 2 years ago
Well your teacher obviously had some sort of classical training in the past if she was an opera singer. That is why she emphasizes on breath support and avoiding resonating in the throat. I never said your teacher was bad or her technique but the SLS technique is not complete, it lacks a few things.
She is probably teaching you the good things about SLS and adding a bit of classical technique in there, that should be fine.
SLS is good but its not complete, it lacks a lot of things.
aminul1984 2 years ago
god, i love marilyn horne so much (L)
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cartoonnetworklol 2 years ago
check out kim josephson singing "eri tu" and "pari siamo". he is the only modern baritone who uses the bel canto style. he was a student of michail trimble. bonynge hired 10 students of trimble for the cast of the mignon cast in vancouver, , b.c. that is a very good approval for a teacher of the bel canto style.
musedirec 2 years ago
the greatest exponents of bel canto on recordings are mattia battistini, fernando de lucia, and adelina patti. later, tito schipa. caruso and ponselle were the best voices. then come flagstag , galli-curci, tetrazzini, and jose mardones.
musedirec 2 years ago
Where's the baritone? They couldn't find a baritone that knows something about bel canto?? There were baritones singing in the Bel Canto era as well.
BaritoneA2Z 2 years ago 3
This was an intermission to their trio concert.
jmahlon 2 years ago 11
no really famous bel canto baritones I can think of off the top of my head, but we've got Ramey (a bass)
raigekimaru 2 years ago
Leo Nucci is probably about the best baritone out there who still sings in the old style like Cappuccilli did.
DragTas 2 years ago
richerd bonynge's eyebrwos look like decals lol
SiEtIn1 2 years ago
I remember seeing this on an arts channel some years ago...thanks so much for posting, it's great to see it again!
JeeRant 2 years ago
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peacelovejoyharmony 2 years ago
very good nice,
allahpower777 2 years ago
Although the above 3 possessed great facility they could not sing bel canto as their singing voices were manufactured. Singing from 'the sound of your voice' perspective will never achieve freedom vocally, which is what Bel Canto is all about and it applies to all genres. The pop artist mentioned can repair the damage by seeking out the right Bel Canto tutor which is extremely hard. Sadly, she is in a catch 22 situation, as, for her to study Bel Canto, she would have to stop singing publicly.
AmhranaiAlainn 2 years ago
The trick is to sing naturally with what your voice sounds like naturally and then over time, as it ages and matures, it can increase in its flexibility and strength. But so long as you never rush or push it, because otherwise, your voice will give out. A prime example of healthy and natural beautiful singing was that of Enrico Caruso and Rosa Ponselle.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
Yes, they are good examples. IMO John McCormack and Luisa Tetrazzini were the best recorded exponents of Bel Canto style. Caruso and McCormack indeed met sometimes to discuss their art.
AmhranaiAlainn 2 years ago
But Caruso had nodules removed surgically more than once, I believe, and was known for forcing.
colino72 2 years ago
Colino, Caruso didn't force his voice, - his voice was freely produced. At the end of the aria La Donna E Mobile, Caruso performs a rapid bel canto cadenza under full power that has only been equalled in agility by Bjorling & Tauber. You cannot perform such feats of agility if the voice is being driven or forced. What in fact caused his vocal nodules was smoking between 80 & 100 strong unfiltered cigarettes a day!
hiyadroogs 2 years ago 2
Enrico Caruso never had throat nodules, however you were correct about the rest. He did however have surgery in the last year of his life due to a condition called purulent pluerisy and it was caused by an untreated pnuemonia and then compounded by an injury he sustained in "Samson et Delilah"
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
How do you know? He wouldn't exactly publicise, it would he? Melba had them, as did Pavarotti early on. They learned from them.
colino72 2 years ago
Because during his autopsy and several recorded throat examinations (especially by that of Mario Marafioti), he was found not to have any nodules.
EmilyGreene1984 2 years ago
I'm not saying he always had them!! They are not a permanent fixture. I still haven't found that reference!!
colino72 2 years ago
Well, the ciggies sure wouldn't help. Now, I am trying to remember the author and book title where his forcing/cracking was discussed. Quite an old book, and the author commented on being disappointed that the live Caruso (at the Met, I think), was not up to scratch of the recorded Caruso.
Of course, it could have been a bad night, illness, whatever. The voice is not a violin, afterall.
If I can get the name of the book/author, I'll post it. I can't speak first hand, of course!
colino72 2 years ago
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ravi48819 2 years ago
why are people talking about pop singers when the video is concerning 3 of the most influential and best opera singers of ALL TIME?!! who gives a crap about whitney here!?
discuss her in her own video!
these greats shit all over here anyway!! sorry!..
katesinger 2 years ago 3
You know what your right, but we were comparing classical technique and contemporary techniques.
I think this is somewhat related to this video.
aminul1984 2 years ago
i was actually on a whitney houston forum and one of the more knowledgable members wanted her to study the belt canto technique as she strengthens her voice for her huge comeback and album release sept 1st. he also said that whitney was never trainined in sls and developed her technique herself
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
i just WANT you to aknowledge that whitney had great technique for a pop singer with next to no formal training, she learnt everything in the black church and popular mainstream artists when she was young............... if you went to any church you;d go crazy thinking all these powerful singers have terrible technqiue as you hear then singing with all these runs and inflections and the church growl...... you'd prob think they were strainning and terrible breath control
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
Whitney did have a good technique but it still was not the best technique, she could have learnt a different technique that would have protected her voice even further.
aminul1984 2 years ago
also take into consideration that alot of pop singers sing with slightly more chest voice then classically trained singers ie elaine paige..... the chest voice does'nt sound as clear and pure as head voice and high mixed voice near to her head voice was where elain paige belted in memories, that note in the climax could'nt had been higher then A4.
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
B4 she belts from the back of her throat..... she does this because it increases her belting range and lengthens her passagio....... also note that from B4-G5 her belts dont weaken in power at all and she's able to sustain a G5 very well but at the cost of messing up her throat.....nowadays she cant move her neck when singing its almost immobile when singing, that compounded with the misuse of superhead voice has f ked her voice
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
i mean he instead of her......pavarotti was not a female LOL.........
singers in pop that are known for their vocals that have terrible technique( not near perfect techniue like whitney ) are christina aguilera and mariah carey..... they both belt in this terrible mixed voice but doing it horribly..... christina's is so forced and scartchy whereas mariah is a range queen who has to show how high or low she can go in every register including her chest/mix register..... from about
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
Mariah is a singer that shows off her range, but now look at what it got her to. She belted too much and little protection, she went all the way up into her whistle register from a closed throat technique. Her speaking voice is very bad now, too hoarse and raspy.
I am a male and when I was studying SLS I went all the way up to male whistle register but felt like my throat is squeezed. I now understand that this is the wrong approach.
aminul1984 2 years ago
pop singers use more chest voice when singing when compared to classical singers.... whitney was the rare expetion that used an exeptional amount of chest voice........ listen to pavarottis high C's and any other tenor and they have more " rasp" then whitney........did you listen to whitney singing opera with pavarotti
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
You know Pavarotti did not start off with a good technique, he was taught good technique by Joan Sutherland.
Pavarotti was a good opera singer but he still had a squeeze in his voice, thats why his voice cracked a lot of times when he sang.
aminul1984 2 years ago
her was still the best tenor of the 20th century. but comparing classical/opera/musical technique to pop/soul/funk/rock/jazz is'nt smart because its such a different way of singing...... there are singers like whitney who in your opinion has sung almost perfectly to a classical standpoint but there always going to be problems that you see in a pop singers voice like mistaking strain in a church growl to actually strain and vocal discoomfort
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
If you have good technique you can sing anything. So its doesn't matter if you learn technique from a classical teacher or a contemporary teacher, if the technique taught is healthy then this is good enough to sing pop, rock, jazz, opera.
aminul1984 2 years ago
i agree but classical technique or looking at technique through a classical lense is'nt always smart because you have to consider adapations and styles in each genre when being critical about a singers technique. namely you, you said whitny sounded strained and you gave me a time where she sounded trainined, i listened to that note and was confused why you said that because she sounded normal or even clearer then most pop/soul singers....
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
Yeah its true that when learning any technique you have to learn your style of singing.
Style is what seperates these genres but the technique can be the same.
I can tell you that Tina Turner studied a classical technique late in her career, around 2001 but she still kept her style of singing.
aminul1984 2 years ago
Actually no, Pavarotti was not the best tenor of the 20th century. Listen to Enrico Caruso, Jussi Bjorling, Alfredo Kraus + more. If you actually listen to opera you will notice that Pavarotti was average compared to singers of the past.
aminul1984 2 years ago
Try comparing Whitney's technique to Marylin Horne's technique.
aminul1984 2 years ago
you can't - two different singers. two different styles, two different genres. Its like comparing Bono with Enrico Caruso
RocktheStageNYC 2 years ago
RocktheStageNYC:
Hello there, how are you? You gave me some good advice about vocal technique, always appreciate it.
What I was on about was comparing a technique and not style.
aminul1984 2 years ago
SEARCH " La Donna e Mobile whitney houston " she sang with pavarotti in the mid 90's
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
shitley bassey over elaine and that wretched beast from britains got talent combined
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
That wretched beast from Britans Got Talent, lol.
Cmon now, don't be too rude. She has a lovely voice and can sing very nicely.
Who cares how she looks?
aminul1984 2 years ago
its not really about her.... more so the amount of attention that was put on her and that never been kissed before thing. i hate how this show hypes up reg singers like paul potts and susan boyle
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
technically elain is great but I feel that she's safe......id put shirley bassey, streisand and dionne warwick( whitney's fist cousin) ahead of her. she lacks the power of alot of singers that list included. the only thing she has over alot of singers is clarity and little vocal decline but those singers on the list belted it out and still have most of their voices left. plus elain does'nt really belt from her chest like say shirley bassey and whitney
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
elain pages belt was also really close to her head voice plus her tone is naturally more clearer......... you prob notice that black women in opera the leotnne prices and jessye normans have much richers voice then their white counterparts. but let me ask you, could whitney at a early age and after years of training been a opera/classical singer and be as succesful as the genre thats she in presently?????
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
If Whitney had good classical training then I would say she could have been an Opera singer, she has the gift for it.
Her tone is naturally big, and she has good breath support, not all the time though.
aminul1984 2 years ago
Elaine Paige uses mostly her head voice to sing, this is a protector for the voice.
And naturally her tone is clear is because her technique is good.
aminul1984 2 years ago
most pop singers go into thinking there going to increase there belting and head range because it isolates anything below the layrnx
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
And do you know what, I don't agree with either of these techniques to be healthy because it requires you to lower the larynx by depressing the root of the tongue, the only other way of lowering is by yawning the larynx down which is much more healthier because this way the tongue is not used and does not cause any pain.
aminul1984 2 years ago
is that why sopranos lift their head up alot while singing kind've like their yawning??
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
That yawn feeling is what helps to sing higher and bigger.
Taking in breath like a yawn will lower the larynx naturally, so you don't have to use the root of the tongue to lower it which is very abusive.
A low larynx will give you a slight opening of the voice and you can sing higher and bigger.
aminul1984 2 years ago
i meant Thomas Appell
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
I just want to pose this question again to you, based on whitneys voice in her prime, was she using sls when she was never a mixer and sang in predomintely chest voice?????
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
Well, I can see that she was mixing in some of her live performances but she never went up to head voice.
I would say she was using more chest than head.
If she just used chest then it would have sounded really bad. It would have sounded like a car trying to pick up speed while still on first gear.
aminul1984 2 years ago
well she used more chest then head in her comfort range A4-Eb5, the ratio was'nt 50/50 chest to head..... all I know, is that she never had a voice coach in her youth and prime........ listen to whitney houston rendition of " home" from the wiz of oz or " i am changing " from dreamgirls
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
Okay i'll have a listen
aminul1984 2 years ago
I think Whitney's chest voice was really powerful, this is why she never completely mixed 50/50. Her speaking voice was quite high this is why she could sing very high in her chest or chesty mix.
aminul1984 2 years ago
When she is singing that "Home" song it sounds like her vocal cords are pressing together then letting go.
You can hear it when she breaths. The cords are squeezing to make sound but squeezing too much.
aminul1984 2 years ago
did you listen to I am changing??
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
I listened to it but I can't really tell what she is doing because there is not video only photos.
aminul1984 2 years ago
" whitney houston saving all my love letterman " listen to that
BTW... what did you think of a i am changing...... that was one of her last songs in her set
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
I watched that video of Whitney singing saving all my love on letterman and I have to say that she sang it almost perfect.
Only problems was she moves her jaw a lot when she does the vibrato and that is not a healthy thing to do. Vibrato does not come from shaking the jaw.
There was less squeeze in the voice than the other performance she done and she covered her voice really well, meaning she used vowel modification to reach higher notes and used good breathing for belting out some notes.
aminul1984 2 years ago
iv noticed that her jaw sometimes moves when she add vibrato...... hows leona lewis vibrato because she added alot in all her x factor performances. check out whitneys " did'nt we almost have it all " its the one wheres she singing out side in almost below O weather in a leather jacket
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
Leona does shake her jaw when she sings with vibrato. Its similar to Whitney.
That video of Whitney when she was singing 'Didn't we almost have it all'. Well I thought she was a bit throaty. You can hear her going a bit raspy when she done that belt at 1.58.
Like I said about Whitney, her technique is not 100% perfect.
Listen to Elaine Paige - memory. One part of the song she belts out very loudly but her voice sounded crystal clear and didn't sound raspy.
aminul1984 2 years ago
whitney sounded great and any rasp that you heard was for dramatic effect..... also take into consideration whitneys roots, she was raied in the black church in new jersey..... you can hear the chruch growl when in some of her runs and belts. plus it was almost below zero outside when she sung that.
elain paige sounds but i dont think she compares to whitney in terms of versatility..... elain paige IMO is somwwhat of a dull theatrical singer
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
What I meant about Elaine Paige is her technique is excellent, I don't usually like her singing but I would listen to her for technique.
aminul1984 2 years ago
I don't know about the rasp being a dramatic effect, I could see her struggling in her facial expressions.
Only she would know that.
But in my opinion I would say that she sounded raspy not on purpose.
aminul1984 2 years ago
it was outside at night and the temp was hovering around freezing in a cold new york winter night and it was inbetween her tour. more importantly, you have to adjust your perspective to regognize that other genres have different techqniues, you cant use classical techniques for everything..... you can sure as hell try but in whitneys case her technique in her prime was amazing for a pop/soul singer........ remember that she adds raps and growls for dramatic effect
dungaboyd1 2 years ago
SLS teachers you to sing in mix with very little chest...... and how can you say whitney was taught this when she has the most well rounded chesty belt in pop music????
dungaboyd1 2 years ago